COLUMNIST JOE JENNINGS
Kirkby- No thanks
So we discovered earlier this week on the Official Site of a ?major announcement?. 33,000 fans were to be balloted on the prospect of a move outside the city boundaries to Kirkby. Evertonians seem to be divided on the issue. Do we move to a shiny new stadium, with world class facilities and risk losing a huge number of our fan base? Or do we remain at our beloved Goodison, stay for a few more years and see what Liverpool Council can conjure up. I feel the latter will benefit Everton Football in the long run.
People will argue, Goodison is falling down, the queues for food and ale are ridiculous, the toilets are disgusting, and the seats are uncomfortable. If people are going to watch Everton to have a nice bite to eat and a comfy seat then there in the wrong place. Character of a stadium is priceless and Goodison has it in abundance, will a brand spanking new stadium in Kirkby have such character? Doubtful.
We may not be the huge club we once were, at the moment, however we do have something the majority don?t, a special stadium that words cannot describe. The buzz you get when you arrive at Goodison on a matchday is impossible to describe. The pulse always speeds up the closer you get to Goodison. The z-cars theme, the blue shirt, the pitch, the ground, the history - it's all rolled in together in a mighty rush of pride. Do we really want to have a similar stadium to the likes of Bolton, Reading, and Middlesbrough? I have been to stadiums like the ones listed above and they are lifeless, heartless and away from the heart of the community. Moving to Kirkby gives us a huge amount of seats to fill. Granted we have enough fans to fill them but would we have say 50,000 every home game? Doubtful.
I genuinely believe the only long term conqueror in the whole scenario is Tesco. Why should future generations of youth support the team that left the city, when they will have a championship challenging team on their doorstep. Quite simply, it will take only a few years for Everton?s fanbase to drastically decrease, simple as. If the move does go ahead, against the fans backing then Everton will have NO right to call itself ?The Peoples Club?. It would be a mockery. You also have to wonder about Leahy. At the end of the day, first and foremost he is a businessman and he will have TESCO?s best interests at heart, not Everton?s. Will everybody really trust the voting system in place? Just how desperate are Kenwright and co in driving us out of the city. Questionable. It seems to have become evident that it?s either Kirkby or nothing for the next few years
Many will argue put passion and affection to one side, but why should we? They are pivotal reasons on why Everton are so special to all of us. Can anybody really imagine special nights like Man Utd, Bayern Munich at a lifeless new stadium in Kirkby. Somehow I cannot see such atmospheres being re-created. I feel strongly on this and we all deem ourselves ?great supporters? but we seem to be destined for a Wimbledon like scenario and we are being indoctrinated by people who are trying to make us see it differently. If Kenwright was the staunch Evertonian he proclaims to be he wouldn?t even ponder this move and nor should we as fans.
Many want us to be challenging the top clubs again, is this a distinct possibility if we surrender our local territory? Doubtful. Quite simply, the city of Liverpool will only have ONE football club and this will therefore result in the dramatic downfall of our local fanbase. I still feel hugely let down by the council. Although I wasn?t born when the initial plans for Everton moving to Stanley Park were rejected I know enough to suggest it is hugely unjustified to now allow Liverpool to build a stadium there. People will argue, it was a different council back then but the same principle should apply. The regeneration that has been promised to Liverpool in a park that EFC were strictly not allowed to touch is bizarre and comical to say the least.
Fans will argue if we don?t move now, we?ll be stuck at Goodison for years to come. Although revenue could be lost, although the place is falling down it remains indescribable and wells you with pride. If the club can be run more effectively and efficiently than in the years past, we could attract an investor. I believe it really does make far more financial sense in the long run to stay put for now, and see what happens. Ask yourself, what are you going to do if the club moves to Kirkby. What pubs are you going to meet your mates in, what chippy are you going to visit. Things like this are important to us as fans and why should we distrupt such rituals for a move to outside the city boundaries? If we move to Kirkby I know we will still go on living, but it will be like our soul has been taken away.
Overall I wanted to express my view that a move to Kirkby is not the best option for Everton Football Club in the long run. Although we would all like a new stadium, do we want one that much to move away from our city and surrender it to Liverpool? Or do we sit tight, resist and await future plans for a stadium within the city. This is the best team we?ve had in my lifetime, success comes on the pitch first. Ask yourself this, do you genuinely believe that Kenwright and co have Everton?s best interests at heart, or do they see this move as a quick way to make profit? A move to Kirkby would result in the downfall of Everton Football Club. We may live on but for how long? Do we really want to see our beloved club that has such history; tradition and honour fade away into the distance? I just pray that as fans we do our duty and vote AGAINST a move to Kirkby and stop this wholesale slaughter of our great club.
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’Build it and they will come’.
i cannot understand the reasoning behind any argument why we shouldn’t move.
Again there are points that have no basis in fact. No-one can categorically state that the fanbase will erode because we?re less than 2 miles outside the city boundary (it ends around the Shell petrol station just before Coppelhouse).
Lots of mentions have been made of land around the airport and how that could be used. This is Speke; it?s in the city but it?s over the other side of the city, difficult to get to and miles away. Moving somewhere like that would probably help erode the fan base.
Also, the vote is being conducted by an outside agency who have creidbility. The question that will be asked may cause an issue but that has to be agreed with the Elecrotal Reform Society.
Finally, rather than just deciding yes or no prior to seeing what?s on offer why not wait until more facts are available and make an informed decision.
As well as Goodison Park & Kirkby, we can wait and try and find another location and investor. There is even the fourth one of finding another investor and redeveloping Goodison. By voting Yes to Kirkby you preclude all other possibilities. Therefore, say Yes if you are TOTALLY sure it?s right, and No if you are not.
Not an easy choice, but something inside me keeps saying Kirkby is in the wrong place. There is very little that can change that, aside perhaps from the most wonderful stadium structure that would have the world talking and admiring. From what we know so far, a re-hash of a German stadium with no sliding roof, rolling pitch ( as in Kings Dock )or any discernible form of character comes a long way short in that sense.
It?s in the wrong place, on the edge. And that, you cannot get away from.
I’m still undecided on the issue, nonetheless a good piece
To make an informed decision it is necessary to get relevant facts, not the sort of nonsense in today?s Post which was a PR exercise pure and simple.
I?d like to see some sort of answers to the following:-
(1)there is no proof either way as to whether the fanbase will or won?t erode. Has any research been carried out on this?
(2)we don?t live on an island - what impact will LFC?s ?expansion? have within the city over time?
(3) apparently DM will get up to £10m per season for new players because of the move.What are these figures based on? If it?s on crowds of 55000, where are the extra 20000 coming from?
(4)before Kirkby is ready in 2010 we will stay at GP.What are the implications of saying there until,say, 2012 - at 5 years well within the 10 year deadline mentioned by KW
(5)what will a ?free? stadium do to the value of the club and consequently to the share price? Is this obsession on Kirkby in any way related to anybody?s ?exit plan? in which case there may be a conflict of interest?
there are clearly many issues to consider. It is not our job as voters to make a?business decision?, it?s our job to make our minds up about the future of this club that we?ll have to live with for generations. We can only do this with relevant, supported facts which are in short supply and knowing how the club is increasingly run I suspect will remain so.
But I believe without the sort of facts mentioned here and elsewhere on this site(and others) we have no option but to vote ?no?.
I keep an open mind as to a move to Kirkby but I find Mr Wyness’ comments alarming. He is the Chief Executive charged with the stewardship of our club - to say there is no plan B is a disgrace - in all businesses there should be fall back positions - what if Tesco changed its CX and took a different view?
Second - if there is any danger of us not securing safety certificates for Goodison Park in 2010 what will the club do to secure the same - because if the construction of a new stadium is delayed for any reason EFC will have that problem.
And am I alone in thinking that scare stories on the back of the big ballot announcement are meant to build support for the Kirkby option - I feel there is a degree of manipulation here.
And finally, Peter Rackman used slum landlord techniques to his advantage in the ’60s - is Mr Wyness going to let Goodison Park deteriorate until there is no option but to move?
Do we really put our trust in this guy?
HOWEVER! ANY new stadium we build (including a stadium inside Liverpool’s boundary) will be newer and more comfortable than Goodison. Will we lose supporters then?
More likely, your real argument is argument is against Kirkby itself.
We need to break the issue up a bit.
- Do we want a new stadium?
- If so, how much do we want to spend in total? What are our options in terms of location, funding, type of stadium?
- How much do we want to stay in the Liverpool boundary? And how much are we prepared to pay for it...50 million pounds?
My reading of your article is that you simply don’t want a ’new’ stadium.
Stadium worth £75m, world class faciliies?
NS?NO?
The simple fact is, that Everton was the first scouse football team and I for one will be voting NO to the move.
As a season ticket holder in the park end, there is now way I will let my head rule my heart on this one because when I have kids and they have kids, they will end up supporting the Shite for the reasons mentioned above.
There is no boubt is a great deal but if blue nose Terry fucking Leahy took his business goggles off, there is no way he would want us to move to Knowsley!
And i would love Moyes to have an extra £10m to spend every year and us to challenge for the leage, the top 4, BUT ..... even if we move to an 80,000 seater stadium and filled the bastard, it still aint gonna happen because the BIG 4 have massive grounds and/or super rich owners!
We are competing for 5,6 and the Eufa cup and we can do that easily without moving from Goodison and by someone just investiging in the team!
How the fuck do Pompey and Birmingham and Villa get this new investment and we cant???? we are twice the size of these clubs!! IT BOILS MY PISS!!!!! Pompey are splashing the cash with a 20,000 seater fucking shed for a ground! Villa rarely get more than 30,000 and Fulham are shitter than any of the above mentioned.... BUT..... they all now have owners who have DOSH and wanna SPEND IT! We dont!
Dont get me wrong, I’d love a new stadium and i’d love nothing more than to see us win everything, but I am a realist and i’d rather us stay where we belong , IN LIVERPOOL!! for now and forever! If these dick ed council leader love us so much! they’ll find us a site in Liverpool!
AND IF ANY LOADED FOOTIE FAN OUT THERE, HOME OR ABROAD, wants a footy club steeped in history, with the best fans in europe and passionate about there club, then swerve the shitty Birminghams and Fulhams and Villa’s and INVEST IN US!
COME ON YOU BLUE BOYS!!!!!
He also sates he won?t be giving away £50m of public money which iskind of what Knowsley are doing. However, alternatives such as low cost leases could be possible you would imagine so we should not let that put us off. The possible gain by staying in the city would be worth a bit of extra expense at the start anyway.
Now is the time that this debate was truly opened up to us to see what options are really there. We appear to have maybe 6 already - Stay at Goodison
Go to Kirkby
Warren Bradley?s 3 sites
Sell to a foreign investor ( and they are out there, just BK doesn?t want you to know about it )and start again
Despite this, all we are getting is information on one ( Kirkby ) and nothing else. Why? Well, I always think about a policy adopted by my Company?s Buying Dept Chief in relation to ?gifts?, ?presents? from companies after our business. He said, ? if you are unsure whether you should accept it, ask yourself whether you would want your colleagues to know about it. If the answer is No, you should not be accepting it.? The secrecy on this whole matter does BK no favours in my eyes.
We are practically being offered a state of the art stadium for nothing, in an area that seems to want to welcome us with open arms, whilst LCC hasn’t given a stuff about us for years!
Wake up you small-town boys!
WE ARE ABOUT TO SIGN THE SWISS CAPTAIN JOHANN VOGEL!!
Ilook forward to seeing the artist?s impression
And finally a signing - a free transfer obviously but let?s not be picky. Maybe he?s saving the readies for Riquelme!
i?ve got this horrible feeling we?ll be at the ?every little helps? stadium with the atmosphere of the Riverside.
i wouldn?t move my family into a crap house in an unsuitable area just because i got the ?bargain of the century?
The current EFC infrastructure - from buying tickets to watching the match - is a shocker : you can?t get through to the ticket office, you never know what kind of ticket you?re buying, most of what you get is restricted view, as well as the other problems other people have mentioned like refreshments, toilet facilities and so on - we need a new stadium very badly indeed. The current one, for all the nostalgia attaching to it, is a dump. If we don?t move and improve, there is a real risk of the fanbase being eroded medium and long term anyway, irrespective of the competition?s brand new stadium and so on. The point that many correspondents seem to miss is that, if the club and its backers get it right, then a decent new stadium, in the middle of a new retail complex with decent pre and post match bars, eating facilities, etc. will be an actual attraction and not just something you pass through to get to and from the match - and that?s why very savvy people like Tesco will get in on the act, because they won?t lose by it.
Next, the actual location. The current "favourite" is 3 miles from the current GP - if you?re driving, that?s no distance, especially as you can expect decent parking in the new location. There will be real problems if the current public transport links aren?t improved, and there seems to be nothing said about that at the moment, but it is early days.
While I, like other correspondents, am disappointed at Wyness?s "there is no Plan B" statement (there is always a Plan B, you just have to look very hard for it sometimes), I?ve yet to see any real alternatives identified. And that?s not just the site, but costings, backers, finance, and so on. Given that they are either very scarce or non-existent, it?s not suprising the current management have got their teeth around Leahy?s wrist.
In summary, if done properly, a move could be a real success story, and improve everybody?s experience. If we don?t go, the last couple fo years might be a short break into a long downward curve for the Club.
Well what stadium is it? What will it look like? How many people will it hold? All these questions need to be answered before i vote yes. I want to see some form of plan, not promises that we will get an extra 10 million a season for transfers. How can someone make an assumption like that, its ridiculous. We get dont hit the 35000 mark when playing fulham, blackburn, boro and the like. How will we fill 55,000.
I don’t want to leave the city nor am I naive enough to take the move to Kirkby lightly but I have to face the facts.
It will not stop me loving the club that I have supported since I was a boy and will not stop me passing that love to my boys.I will not stop going to the match just because it is another ten minutes on my journey beacuse I am an Evertonian just like everyone on this site.
I applaud some of the passion I read on this site and some of the extremely good articles posted.
We are born Evertonians and we all love the club and I for one will support the club whatever happens.
You are the graetest fans in the world. Once an Blue always a Blue.
It is great, and refreshing to see your comments, I myself have posted similiar sentiments under ’Wyness’ and ’ Immaculate Conception’ in the mailbag. I am glad that there is still positive fans out there with the heart to keep fighting for what ultimately is in the best interests of the club.
Although I know that staying in Goodison is not an option. We MUST change. But change must be for the better and the club moving to Knowsley is not for the better. I do not dispute that we have some great fans from Knowsley and Sefton. But the bread and butter, Core following of Everton comes from the city that gave birth to it-Liverpool. To move and take the choice away from future generations of kids just aint right.


1 Posted 17/07/2007 at 10:56:22
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