VIEW FROM THE BLUE
Nice Design, Wrong Location
By Lyndon Lloyd : 27/07/2007 : 
Comments (60) :
Comments (60) : Like art and music, the appreciation of architecture is a subjective matter. One man's St Paul's is another man's "Gerkin", and so on.
It's no surprise therefore that the twin release of artist's impressions of Everton and Liverpool's proposed stadium designs this past week has provoked mixed reactions. You're never going to please everybody; you hope to hit the mark with the majority of fans and go from there.
Now it's no secret that we at ToffeeWeb Towers are more than a little sceptical ? OK, somewhat of an understatement ? of the proposed relocation to Kirkby and that's unlikely to change in the run-up to a ballot which could decide what is arguably the most important issue that this club has ever faced.
With that level of opposition to the Kirkby Project the danger is to ridicule or denegrate everything about the proposal, either on principal or through sheer bloody-mindedness, but I have to admit that I was pleasantly surprised by the artist's impressions of the proposed stadium released by the club last Friday.
Now, I realise that might put me at odds with many of the more vociferous opponents of the Kirkby Project and those who were hoping for something of the same architectural complexity as the proposed Kings Dock arena but, to my eyes, what is being proposed is an attractive-looking stadium in the traditional mould that ticks many of the aesthetic boxes that are regularly put forward by fans. Certainly, the response to our current poll indicates a decent-sized majority give the designs the "thumbs-up" even if the rate of response has been a little slow for this particular question.
Of course, the proposed design is by no means perfect but the cry from those who have been vocal in their derision of the artist's impressions is that it's not "world class". While the words "world class" have been central to the rhetoric to which we've been accustomed ever since the issue of a new stadium arose under the Peter Johnson regime a decade ago, Everton's current financial situation precludes the club from producing a stadium to rival the world's best sporting arenas. I'm realistic enough to accept that, the same way that I accept the club cannot afford to redevelop Goodison Park to the standard we would like.
Even with Tesco on board and able to secure a construction contract at a steep discount, we're just not talking about the sums of money to rival the Emirates Stadium or Liverpool's planned structure on Stanley Park (more on that a little later). One could ask how the £75m mooted is going to buy us the stadium in Kirkby depicted in the nice nighttime shots unveiled last week, but that's another article altogether.
So, in the context of what Everton FC can currently afford, the images of the Kirkby Project show a "nice stadium" ? in that sense, Keith Wyness was not being mis-leading and the argument that a club of our tradition should not merely be accepting "nice" is a valid but somewhat moot unless that ever-elusive (or continually shunned!?) billionnaire investor rides on his white horse ? the atmosphere created within the ground itself would, as it currently does at Goodison, make it a great one.
So, while trying not to be swayed too much by the tactic of using floodlit night scenes to boost the aesthetic appeal and mindful of the fact that it's hard to tell from the renderings what sort of structural quality we're talking about here, what's to like and dislike about the images released a week ago? First of all, the exterior:
- I like the proposed stadium's symmetry ? even though I wouldn't be averse to Old Trafford or Goodison Park-style asymmetry with one dominant stand rising above the others
- I like that it's not a bowl like so many of the new football stadia being built these days
- I like the translucent border running around the inside of the roof ? White Hart Lane has a similar feature and it lends a great aesthetic quality
- I like the idea of wide concourses and approaches to the ground
- I would probably prefer a dark, slate-grey roof to the plain white one that seems to be depicted in the club's images ? that would make it less evocative of the New Den, although I think the straightforward comparison that some have made to Millwall's ground is a little spurious
- I'm not convinced by the Millennium Dome-esque beacons on top of the roof but they would probably add a little je ne sais quoi for night games
- There are just too many Everton logos all over the place. One dignified crest on either side would be fine, I'm sure.
- I'm sure it's just a placeholder for the sponsored stadium name but the illuminated People's Club thing has to go. David Moyes's famous ? and now hackneyed ? quote was "Everton are the People's Club of Liverpool." Not Kirkby. The words "salt" and "wound" come to mind...
- The whole cars parked right outside the front doors aesthetic is just too Pride Park or NFL stadium for me. Put a row of trees or a berm of grass in between or something, perleez!
The interior for me is all-important. Yes, the outside should look impressive for those shots of expensive new signings holding scarves above their heads with Moyesey grinning like a Cheshire cat next to them, or Bill Kenwright giving Alan Myers his cast-iron guarantee that there will "absolutely, definitely" be signings before the transfer deadline, but it's inside where all the magic happens, where most of the memories are seared onto your brain and where the TV cameras are trained the vast majority of the time.
And I like the way the inside of the stadium is projected to look.
- The stands are nice and close to the pitch ? an absolute must in my book
- The executive boxes look to be understated, again like White Hart Lane
- And while others have criticised the open ends with the glass corners, I like it. It opens up the stadium in the same way as the translucent portion of the roof and lends the stadium a truly unique quality
- My issue with the interior is that those open ends aside, there really isn't anything else to convey a sense of uniqueness, not like the Archie Leitch design or a dominant home end. Even a crest, logo or design element on the facade of the roof facing the pitch like at Villa Park or St James Park or on those open glass panels would give it some identifying mark
Again, it's not a £300m stadium nor is it people's idea of the current buzz-word, "iconic" which, to be honest is fine with me if "iconic" is a by-word for avante garde or a euphemism for hideous. Which brings me neatly to the new Anfield... or are the designs released this week the new rail station that goes with Liverpool's new ground?
Flippancy aside... futuristic it may be, expensive it surely will be and "iconic" it could be but if Everton had unveiled that as their vision for the replacement for Goodison Park I would have been very disappointed... probably disgusted. But that's just me. I say that without a shred of bitterness or envy or because it's Liverpool. I've never appreciated modern art, always been more of a cultural traditionalist and that's why I'd take the more conservative Kirkby Project design over the stainless steel airport terminal proposed for Stanley Park. [One look at some of the stadiums currently in the works around the world makes me think that I'm clearly not "with it" as far as modern architecture goes. If it's not made almost entirely of glass, shaped like a doughnut or a mass of steel girders, it clearly isn't art, Bijou, darling.]
Of course, the biggest problem with the proposed Kirkby stadium is that it's in Kirkby, so far from the club's roots. Put that proposed design within a couple of miles of Walton and I think most Blues would be happy.
LCC Leader, Warren Bradley, may talk in terms of having two developments of similar scale in the city and if he, the local authority and Everton FC can deliver a package of commercial partners capable of matching the financial resources available to Liverpool FC then more power to him. I suspect, however, that if the supporters's decision on the Kirkby Project is "no" we'll be looking to match in the city the proposal that is on offer in Knowsley. And there is an awful lot of Evertonians ? not least the many who, like me, would vote to keep Everton in the city no matter what ? who would grab that opportunity with both hands.
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Being n the construction game with a costing background the proposed stadium looks ’efficient’use of space and money and I would go as far as to suggest that it’s most likely that the cut out corners are to allow for future capacity increase.
Aesthetically I thnk itlooks just like a football ground, which I thnk is what it should look like, not an architect’s ego.
Aesthetically I thnk itlooks just like a football ground, which I thnk is what it should look like, not an architect’s ego.
I do think the new design is extremely ordinary. I hope Everton change the architect. Goodison Park was celebrated as the most state-of-the-art stadium in Britain when it was first built, but no one would bat an eyelid to this plain looking thing. I personally think the Reds new stadium looks wonderful and it?s a shame they?ve got a more imaginative architect working for them than we have.
I hvae to agree with Lyndon. Apart from some of the fluffy bits around the corners, the stadium looks like a traditional football stadium, which, in this current "bowl-esque" climate of stadiums is a good thing to see.
By the way, there are a few Kpites I know who aren’t overly keen on their new stadium design either - they would prefer a more "traditional" stadium.
By the way, there are a few Kpites I know who aren’t overly keen on their new stadium design either - they would prefer a more "traditional" stadium.
As with all graphics - from shopping malls to togger grounds - I’m always prepared to concede 10,15,20 per cent to "artistic hyperbole". So, despite the fact that I’m diametrically opposed to Kirkby, I approached those images last Friday with an open mind. I honestly felt underwhelmed and, not that I needed swaying, it was a final clincher for me that Kirkby’s a no-no. In reality, an eventually constructed stadium always falls a little short of glitzy original impressions, so I couldn’t help wondering what we’d end up with given that those images, by their nature, are obviously over-stated. Oddly, I think the opposite about LFC’s plans. It’s one of those rare occasions when the ground will probably work better in reality than on paper. Hate to admit it but I think the new pit is gonna be mightily impressive; but if I was a red, I’d be happy for the reality to be 20 per cent easier on the eye than the "Horsell Common invading" garishness of the early images.
Your article about sums it up for me Lyndon, I too regret that the stadium is not something a little more ground breaking as perhaps the King’s Dock project was to be, but the stadium itself is pleasing - the thought of moving to Kirkby however is not.
I think it’s a nice, simple design. Compared to some of the monstrosities in the new stadium site, it is much better.
I like the fact that it is simple, there are no girders hanging all over the place inside and it doesn’t look like all the other bowls that are being built.
But I can’t help feeling a bit disappointed by it. It lacks anything to excite. There’s nothing there, apart from logos, so that when you see a photo of it, you’ll say "that’s Everton’s stadium", no uniqueness.
Having said that, yes it seems to be a ’good value’ design. And it absolutely must be readily extendible.
Just as an aside, I am currently working in Madrid and a few days ago went on the tour of the Bernabeu.
The seats inside are incredibly steep, ensuring that the full 80,000 crowd are close to the pitch. I’d like to see that incorporated into the new stadium, it would be great for the atmosphere of the new place.
Also, they have an excellent bar/restaurant. During the off-season it extends into the ground by way of a scaffolding platform, overlooking the pitch and interior of the stadium. Who would say no to a couple of pints, outside in the summer, overlooking the pitch at our new home (wherever it may be)? I feel that would also be a real draw for corporate events, just a little something you don’t get elsewhere.
I’d like to know if anyone from the club has looked into other stadia in Europe for ideas and inspiration. I want to know what is going to be inside it, moreso that to see a few shiny pictures of the building and the pitch. I suppose I just want to know that if we do end up moving to Kirkby, that we’re at least getting a top set of facilities and that everything is being done right.
I like the fact that it is simple, there are no girders hanging all over the place inside and it doesn’t look like all the other bowls that are being built.
But I can’t help feeling a bit disappointed by it. It lacks anything to excite. There’s nothing there, apart from logos, so that when you see a photo of it, you’ll say "that’s Everton’s stadium", no uniqueness.
Having said that, yes it seems to be a ’good value’ design. And it absolutely must be readily extendible.
Just as an aside, I am currently working in Madrid and a few days ago went on the tour of the Bernabeu.
The seats inside are incredibly steep, ensuring that the full 80,000 crowd are close to the pitch. I’d like to see that incorporated into the new stadium, it would be great for the atmosphere of the new place.
Also, they have an excellent bar/restaurant. During the off-season it extends into the ground by way of a scaffolding platform, overlooking the pitch and interior of the stadium. Who would say no to a couple of pints, outside in the summer, overlooking the pitch at our new home (wherever it may be)? I feel that would also be a real draw for corporate events, just a little something you don’t get elsewhere.
I’d like to know if anyone from the club has looked into other stadia in Europe for ideas and inspiration. I want to know what is going to be inside it, moreso that to see a few shiny pictures of the building and the pitch. I suppose I just want to know that if we do end up moving to Kirkby, that we’re at least getting a top set of facilities and that everything is being done right.
I think a good atmosphere is what makes a stadium special. If we can keep that due to the design, it’s half way there to me.
The new Analfield has too many large openings and will loose atmosphere in my opinion.
The new Analfield has too many large openings and will loose atmosphere in my opinion.
To me, the stadium has a look of a chinese pagoda about it from the outside(pic 6), and internally it seems about right. The important thing for me is to get the acoustics right. I’d also prefer to see a bit more royal blue (& white) rather than the ubiquitous grey cladding shown. I may be wrong, but it seems that the players tunnel appears in the corner of the pitch, ala old Wembley, which would be a nice touch. I would also like to see the ’home’ end clearly identifiable to the TV camera’s as you cant tell in most of these bowl type stadiums.
I too am quite pleased with the artists impression of the proposed new ground, it appears to be of a more traditional design. With regard to the Archibald Leitch influence, it is hardly unique,as it can be observed at Ibrox, and Fratton Park, Home Park,and until recent years at Roker park and White Hart Lane. I am keeping an open mind on the proposed ground move, until I am in possession of more information from the Club, and any other interested parties. Is anyone in receipt of their season ticket yet?
Where’s the iconography, where’s the design that will inspire fans and players alike, attracting new signings, emphasising our stature. GP has always been at the forefront of stadium design since its inception until the early 80’s. Any new stadium should follow this tradition. For the modernists compare it to the new Valencia stadium, for the traditionalists look to some of the new Italian stadia, ones that have atmosphere in mind, or for a balance between both perhaps the future New York NFL stadium. It could have been vastly improved if we had included the tower in each corner, a la San siro.
I have been surprised by all the criticism of the corners. The design (as with the scums new airport) is obviously with potential expansion in mind (to lift it from 50,000 toward 60,000).
We clearly don’t need all 60,000 capacity now so it would be a waste but it is sensible to leave scope for that in the future. If the club moves in the directions we all hope it would be foolish to have built a stadium that couldn’t grow with the club. A loss in aethetics in the mean time is a sacrifice worth making.
I like the clubs approach to making the stadium iconic - big Keith was clear that he thought it important to personalise the stadium and make it distinctive but that this ’touch’ could emerge over time. Maybe the fans can contribute design ideas or even vote as to how to make it special.
I thought the end to the article was very pertinent:
"I suspect, however, that if the supporters’s decision on the Kirkby Project is "no" we’ll be looking to match in the city the proposal that is on offer in Knowsley. And there is an awful lot of Evertonians ? not least the many who, like me, would vote to keep Everton in the city no matter what ? who would grab that opportunity with both hands."
This to me is the big judgment for fans. The reason we are being presented with a project in Kirby is that 3 things are all in line for the sort of project that is within our means:
1) Area of land to develop of suitable size and feasible access.
2) A council that is committed to the project and prepared to support it financially (land and related infrastructure).
3) A retail partner that is keen to participate.
Will we find this anywhere else?
How long will we have to wait and what will that cost us?
Delay certainly has costs. If we wait we may get something better (in location) but it is also a significant risk we will not.
We all would have preferred the Kings Dock but will we look back on this as another opportunity missed?
I hope those voting no are very confident that we will be lucky enough to find something better.
We clearly don’t need all 60,000 capacity now so it would be a waste but it is sensible to leave scope for that in the future. If the club moves in the directions we all hope it would be foolish to have built a stadium that couldn’t grow with the club. A loss in aethetics in the mean time is a sacrifice worth making.
I like the clubs approach to making the stadium iconic - big Keith was clear that he thought it important to personalise the stadium and make it distinctive but that this ’touch’ could emerge over time. Maybe the fans can contribute design ideas or even vote as to how to make it special.
I thought the end to the article was very pertinent:
"I suspect, however, that if the supporters’s decision on the Kirkby Project is "no" we’ll be looking to match in the city the proposal that is on offer in Knowsley. And there is an awful lot of Evertonians ? not least the many who, like me, would vote to keep Everton in the city no matter what ? who would grab that opportunity with both hands."
This to me is the big judgment for fans. The reason we are being presented with a project in Kirby is that 3 things are all in line for the sort of project that is within our means:
1) Area of land to develop of suitable size and feasible access.
2) A council that is committed to the project and prepared to support it financially (land and related infrastructure).
3) A retail partner that is keen to participate.
Will we find this anywhere else?
How long will we have to wait and what will that cost us?
Delay certainly has costs. If we wait we may get something better (in location) but it is also a significant risk we will not.
We all would have preferred the Kings Dock but will we look back on this as another opportunity missed?
I hope those voting no are very confident that we will be lucky enough to find something better.
I think it’s a good concept to work from, but as yet it just doesn’t scream out ’EVERTON’ to me. Goodison has the church and the unique stand designs. But I agree with Col Wills about getting the acoustics right, I actually believe that matters the most because it is the sound which will determine the atmosphere for the next 100 years or so, not just the look of the place. That is something Man City failed to utilise in the building of the City of Manchester stadium, even forcing them to play pre-recorded crowd sounds through the P.A! I do hope we get some sound experts to work on this project, because it would certainly be worth it and such focus may make the stadium stand out from the rest.
I think if we don’t move to Kirby, it could be the end of Everton been classed as a big club. Some might say that this has already happened. The stadium looks like a good design with room to expand if needed. To keep up with the big four, i don’t think we have any other option. I understand where people are coming from that it is not in the city but you have to move with the times. It is only 4 miles away after all.We do not have any other option as the club does not have the funds to build elsewhere. For reasons unknown to me the club does not seem to be able to attract investment. This could to be due to the fact 1) costs of new stadium 2)existing debt and I thing the main reason 3)living next door to the red scum. I think if we want to move away from the shadows of the scum, we have to move to Kirby. Staying at Goodison will just widen the gap further and make us a joke. The offer in Kirby sounds like a good deal but i just hope it won’t be called the Tesco stadium as i don’t think i could take the abuse from the pool fans. Finally I think the move to Kirby will attract investment and the extra income from the stadium will help us combete, but to reject it would be folish leaving us in the dark ages competeing mid table or even relegation. Players like to play in the big stage and a crumbling wooden structure does not appeal to the modern player. That is how the game has gone and we just have to take this oppurtunity.
Brian"It could be the end of Everton been classed as a big club"Brian mate,a bit of news,we havn’t been classed as a big club for yonks.Also,why are some fans who are pro-Kirkby,copying the scaremongering of Wyness?I read the other day someone stating"If we don’t move to Kirkby,within 5yrs Everton will be in the championship"WHY?Isn’t it the team on the pitch that dictates if we stay up or go down?Not a shiny nice stadium in Kirkby.
the thing that really pisses me off at the moment is the complete lack of inspiration, ideas and ambition coming from EFC at the moment. This stadium concept looks as if someone spent about 2 hours thinking it up and then stuck spotlights on it to make it look pretty, now i know on a limited budget perhaps thats all we are going to get, but dont go telling me that that should be used as an excuse for everton to set up home in an identikit stadium.
here is an idea why dont we open the design up as a competition, set a brief and send it out to any architectual firm who think they can do the buissness within the budget given, this is how one of the most iconic buildings of our time ( sydney opera house ) came about, there are a lot of very talented young and old architectural minds out there ready and willing if only EFC and f***ing TESCO would let them.
ps does anyone else think LFC new "airport" looks v similar to what we unvieled a week before and then just stuck some shit metal curved thing on the side, glass corners very last week. The phrase cant polish a turd comes to mind
rant over
here is an idea why dont we open the design up as a competition, set a brief and send it out to any architectual firm who think they can do the buissness within the budget given, this is how one of the most iconic buildings of our time ( sydney opera house ) came about, there are a lot of very talented young and old architectural minds out there ready and willing if only EFC and f***ing TESCO would let them.
ps does anyone else think LFC new "airport" looks v similar to what we unvieled a week before and then just stuck some shit metal curved thing on the side, glass corners very last week. The phrase cant polish a turd comes to mind
rant over
Brian
By moving out of the city we will send out a message that states clearly we will never become a big club again. As for Tesco, do you think we are getting something for nothing! of course they will have a major input whether it be naming rights/landuse of goodison. Tesco like things done on the cheap see the article on the Guardian (Weds) they pay their workers just above (and i mean just!)the minimum wage. If you are worried about abuse from the Reds about the stadium name, worry more about the loss of supporters now and in the future if we move to Cherryfield Drive. To those who are advocating a yes vote I hope you are confident enough that you are not consigning our club forever to the history books. Please dont portray my response as one built on emotion and sentiment, my opinion is formed by a healthy mistrust of our leadership and their partners Tesco.
By moving out of the city we will send out a message that states clearly we will never become a big club again. As for Tesco, do you think we are getting something for nothing! of course they will have a major input whether it be naming rights/landuse of goodison. Tesco like things done on the cheap see the article on the Guardian (Weds) they pay their workers just above (and i mean just!)the minimum wage. If you are worried about abuse from the Reds about the stadium name, worry more about the loss of supporters now and in the future if we move to Cherryfield Drive. To those who are advocating a yes vote I hope you are confident enough that you are not consigning our club forever to the history books. Please dont portray my response as one built on emotion and sentiment, my opinion is formed by a healthy mistrust of our leadership and their partners Tesco.
Brian, you are quite right, but the quality of player that we can put out on the pitch depends upon the income that the club can generate. The two go hand-in-hand.
We all know that Goodison is crumbling and only an idiot would beleive that the sort of stadium related income the club need can be generated if we stay put.
Its dead simple guys, we have to move.
The Kirkby/Liverpool thing isn’t even an issue for me. It’s a load of bollocks and, quite sad really.
We all know that Goodison is crumbling and only an idiot would beleive that the sort of stadium related income the club need can be generated if we stay put.
Its dead simple guys, we have to move.
The Kirkby/Liverpool thing isn’t even an issue for me. It’s a load of bollocks and, quite sad really.
Lee
Success on the pitch generates income, why will we be more successful if we move to Kirkby?
What gives you confidence that more supporters will turn up if we move to Kirkby. If we look at the current debate (heated I would say!) lets suppose the yes votes win 55% to 45% do you think all the disenchanted will troop along to the Tescodrome? perhaps
Where will the extra support come from
Are all the corporate facilities booked out at Goodison currently?
Why will big business (with no interest in football) book events with us when they can go to LFC near the City and its attractions
Are you hoping to tempt non aligned fans from Wigan, etc to the new ground - it wont happen the North West is well supplied with football clubs
The Kirkby question is an issue for many Evertonians to abuse them as morons and called the arguments they advance as bollocks shows a lack of empathy, understanding and intelligence. As a season ticket holder for the best part of thirty years, I am entitled to have my opinion just like you are, without resorting to abuse.
Success on the pitch generates income, why will we be more successful if we move to Kirkby?
What gives you confidence that more supporters will turn up if we move to Kirkby. If we look at the current debate (heated I would say!) lets suppose the yes votes win 55% to 45% do you think all the disenchanted will troop along to the Tescodrome? perhaps
Where will the extra support come from
Are all the corporate facilities booked out at Goodison currently?
Why will big business (with no interest in football) book events with us when they can go to LFC near the City and its attractions
Are you hoping to tempt non aligned fans from Wigan, etc to the new ground - it wont happen the North West is well supplied with football clubs
The Kirkby question is an issue for many Evertonians to abuse them as morons and called the arguments they advance as bollocks shows a lack of empathy, understanding and intelligence. As a season ticket holder for the best part of thirty years, I am entitled to have my opinion just like you are, without resorting to abuse.
To my surprise I’m tending to agree with Lyndon. Surprise as I’m something of a stadium enthusiast and I’d love to see Everton playing in something as stunning as the Emirates or City Of Manchester, but I suppose I’m realistic enough to know that without some extraordinary source of cash materialising it won’t happen. Better to aim for the achievable than die in the attempt. One thing to bear in mind, however: nothing ever ends up looking like it did in the artist’s impression. There’s plenty of time for design improvement wherever it’s built.
Firstly that was a good read and there were some well thought and intelligent replies, nice to see instead of most of the pety mudslinging and name calling of late on TW. Lads and lasses there are lots of good arguments for and against the proposed move.
Firstly I have a few questions that I’m wondering does anybody know the answer to. The first question is: Who were the architects/graphic designers of the Kirkby Project? Secondly, Who has employed them EFC,Tesco or Barr? The reason for my second question is because if Tesco or Barr have employed the architects/graphic designers do you not think that is why the stadium may not have the ’wow’ factor for most Evertonians? From Tesco/Barr’s perspective it’s obvious reasons economically it makes sense keep the design simple keep the costs down and maitainable through a simplistic structure. After all with Tesco being the main contributor in the triumvate with EFC&KBC don’t you think they will be pulling all the strings and EFC will have to just take what is given, that is where the focus may lie me thinks. Anyway lets just hope that after all is said and done we are all united as brothers and sisters that follow the wonder that is EFC! COYB!
Firstly I have a few questions that I’m wondering does anybody know the answer to. The first question is: Who were the architects/graphic designers of the Kirkby Project? Secondly, Who has employed them EFC,Tesco or Barr? The reason for my second question is because if Tesco or Barr have employed the architects/graphic designers do you not think that is why the stadium may not have the ’wow’ factor for most Evertonians? From Tesco/Barr’s perspective it’s obvious reasons economically it makes sense keep the design simple keep the costs down and maitainable through a simplistic structure. After all with Tesco being the main contributor in the triumvate with EFC&KBC don’t you think they will be pulling all the strings and EFC will have to just take what is given, that is where the focus may lie me thinks. Anyway lets just hope that after all is said and done we are all united as brothers and sisters that follow the wonder that is EFC! COYB!
1st game of the season v Wigan, lets vote then so there’s no hiding place, full house bar away fans.That will tell no lies!
Brendan,I am not certain.But,I could have swore I read somewhere,Barr have used their own architects to come up with the stadium design.Makes sense really,as they are taking a £25m loss on the build cost.So as they are building it they would want it made as cheaply as possible.
I was underwhelmed by the site - but liked the fact that it was more traditional. If we are to go for this design, I’d improve it by somehow adding our tower to the design, and not making the front so square. The roof inside is vital as it serves to amplify the voice.
No matter what the outcome of the ballot we are all sad and disappointed that we have to make this decision, however, at least we asEvertonians are being asked to contribute to this momentous decision. which is something Arsenal, City and Sunderland missed-out on.
Once the decision is made, whatever it is, we should all support the result. What I do not want to see after the ballot is crowing, whinging or recriminations. Nobody has an exclusive deal with EFC and as such we are all equal.
Once the decision is made, whatever it is, we should all support the result. What I do not want to see after the ballot is crowing, whinging or recriminations. Nobody has an exclusive deal with EFC and as such we are all equal.
I want it to look like a football stadium, and it certainly does. Most importantly, I want to keep the intensity of goodison, because our fans are like a twelfth man on big game day. It must be close enough for us to be involved with the game, that is goodisons quality, and this atmosphere is lacking in modern stadiums.
The whole attitude of this website is impotent, passive and mediocre. Balance and realism which automatically finds reflected glory in aligning its views with any leader (Bill K) is always the bastion of the lame underachiever. Frankly, this stadium design underlines the outrageous spin which is defining this whole episode. A few pictures of past heros cannot mask a design which is a IS closer to the £75m figure originaly mooted and is basically ’The New Den’ with a corner design.
A few points:
Creating a three-tier side stand would open up the oportunity for more executive boxes and give the place a grander feel.
Accoustics.Liverpool FC’s proposed stadium will leave this design standing for accoustics. It uses CONCAVE single slabs of thickened steel with a brushed aluminium look effect. Look at the SAGE centre in Newcastle (built for accoustics) See any simililarities. Get it?
Other requiremts: Towers (St Domingo) similar to San Siro; Archibald Leitch design elements on stands? External girders, glass iconograpy - all make the structure more imposing and are missing. The design need a bigger footprint to have more impact
A few points:
Creating a three-tier side stand would open up the oportunity for more executive boxes and give the place a grander feel.
Accoustics.Liverpool FC’s proposed stadium will leave this design standing for accoustics. It uses CONCAVE single slabs of thickened steel with a brushed aluminium look effect. Look at the SAGE centre in Newcastle (built for accoustics) See any simililarities. Get it?
Other requiremts: Towers (St Domingo) similar to San Siro; Archibald Leitch design elements on stands? External girders, glass iconograpy - all make the structure more imposing and are missing. The design need a bigger footprint to have more impact
Dont know about all that, but Ive just done a lovely job tiling my bathroom. anyone interested can come down and have a look. free drinks in the garden with me and barbara.
NEED I SAY ANYMORE ABOUT THE OPPOSITION BY KIRKBY RESIDENTS AT THE MEEDING IN THE CHURCH? IF THAT IS THE CASE THEN WHY HAS THE EVERTON WEBSITE POSTED ON THERE THAT THEY ARE HAPPY ABOUT THE PROJECT?
COME ON KW.....STOP THE LYING TO THE FANS AND GIVE US THE REAL TRUTH AT WHY YOU WANT US TO GO TO KIRKBY... THE KIRKBY RESIDENTS DON’T WANT US AND I CERTAINLY OPPOSE TO THE MOVE TO KIRKBY.
VOTE "NO" TO THE MOVE.. ANYONE WITH ME?
COME ON KW.....STOP THE LYING TO THE FANS AND GIVE US THE REAL TRUTH AT WHY YOU WANT US TO GO TO KIRKBY... THE KIRKBY RESIDENTS DON’T WANT US AND I CERTAINLY OPPOSE TO THE MOVE TO KIRKBY.
VOTE "NO" TO THE MOVE.. ANYONE WITH ME?
BRIAN WARING..!!!!!
Can anybody anywhere find me a post or reply by Mr Waring on any subject concerning our club where he is even approaching something "POSITIVE"?
Can anybody anywhere find me a post or reply by Mr Waring on any subject concerning our club where he is even approaching something "POSITIVE"?
500 people in a church does not represent the whole of Kirkby:
more jobs will be created locally from the "kirkby project" than peole who have protested against it
more jobs will be created locally from the "kirkby project" than peole who have protested against it
A lot of people seem to dislike the project because of a lack of faith in Bill and other running the club.
Like it or not they own it and will continue to run it in the future so are you waiting for:
1) A new investor to buy them out and put something better together.
or
2) The existing management to ignore this setback - buck up their ideas and put together another preferable proposal that we will all prefer (but is still within their means).
However many (often the same) people think Bill won’t sell and if you don’t think they run the club well why will they do it better with the next proposal.
Some people talk about the stadium as a big pay day for Bill. Finacial reward will come from improving the value of the football club and will only come after good economic decisions and when the club has added to its assets withou adding to more to its debt. Other owners could do a similar scheme.
In other words Bill only gets a reward if we make a good decision.
I appreciate that that people are entitled to lack faith in the owners and financial managers of the club thought this depends on your expectations.
But it is not clear to me what direction this lack of faith means you should vote.
Like it or not they own it and will continue to run it in the future so are you waiting for:
1) A new investor to buy them out and put something better together.
or
2) The existing management to ignore this setback - buck up their ideas and put together another preferable proposal that we will all prefer (but is still within their means).
However many (often the same) people think Bill won’t sell and if you don’t think they run the club well why will they do it better with the next proposal.
Some people talk about the stadium as a big pay day for Bill. Finacial reward will come from improving the value of the football club and will only come after good economic decisions and when the club has added to its assets withou adding to more to its debt. Other owners could do a similar scheme.
In other words Bill only gets a reward if we make a good decision.
I appreciate that that people are entitled to lack faith in the owners and financial managers of the club thought this depends on your expectations.
But it is not clear to me what direction this lack of faith means you should vote.
as a blue and a resident of kirkby i would welcome the move how can people who claim to be blues say they wont go the game anymore were only talking 4 miles to a place thats part liverpool i think people are to hung up on the "mythical" border if were not part of liverpool why do we have the L at the start of our postcode
Simon: "The whole attitude of this website is impotent, passive and mediocre. Balance and realism which automatically finds reflected glory in aligning its views with any leader (Bill K) is always the bastion of the lame underachiever."
That would be the same website vilified for years now for constant negativity and anti-Kenwright-ism, and criticised sharply by the club itself for controversial points of view, would it? If I had a pound for every time we’ve been slated for not being balanced... As for "mediocre", well perhaps we’ll put that down to more subjective opinion, eh? We strive for more than that.
As I clearly stated, the design is "nice" for what it is — a £75m stadium to be built, no doubt, with ruthless cost efficiency. I deliberately left out all the speculation and reasoning why the club isn’t looking at a ground-breaking £300m design on a par with everything else in the world and whose fault that is. In the context of what was a reaction purely to the designs themselves, it would have been deemed gratuitous.
That would be the same website vilified for years now for constant negativity and anti-Kenwright-ism, and criticised sharply by the club itself for controversial points of view, would it? If I had a pound for every time we’ve been slated for not being balanced... As for "mediocre", well perhaps we’ll put that down to more subjective opinion, eh? We strive for more than that.
As I clearly stated, the design is "nice" for what it is — a £75m stadium to be built, no doubt, with ruthless cost efficiency. I deliberately left out all the speculation and reasoning why the club isn’t looking at a ground-breaking £300m design on a par with everything else in the world and whose fault that is. In the context of what was a reaction purely to the designs themselves, it would have been deemed gratuitous.
Thank you, Simon! You have summed it all up... this design is bland and totally symbolicof a Club run by somebody with no money. We’re buying a basic Vectra ( big and no style ) when abit of extra cash would get us the 18 inch alloys, body kit and metallic paint on a BMW 3 series. With an increase in TV money of £20m a YEAR for the next 5 years couldn’t the Club chip in a bit more than £10m ( you boring cheapskates ) to add the bits that would make the difference? Oh, and by the way, it’s in the wrong place as well!
it is a nice design but the wrong place everton shold not move out of liverpool it is unfair that everton have to move out of liverpool it will be ok if we dont have to move out of liverpool because we have been our stadum has been in liverpool for longer then anfield and we gave liverpool anfield and moved to goodison park so liverpool chold go and go to anfield to stay at anfield so we shold have a new stadiumbut not to move out of liverpool so why carnt liverpool go to cerby i whold love to have a new stadium in cerby and all liverpoolcan go over in to cerby because there fine with everton going to cerby so they shold be fine with there selves going i can say i am not fine with everton going i no all the liverpool fans and all the players arebut all the everton fans and players are not fine at all that we have to move tocerby all of we everton fans shal not give up moveing out of liverpool with out a fight
by
jackholding
age 11
by
jackholding
age 11
Terrymarsbar.I have been positive on plenty of things mate.Problem is,how can I be positive on something I don’t believe in?The majority of my posts have been on the Kirkby debate,which I am against.What do you want me say?Kirkby is the best thing for the club,BK and Wyness are fucking great.If you don’t believe in something you make a stance,thats all I am doing.I don’t know if you are for the Kirkby move or not?But if you are not,I would respect your views and opinions,even though I would not agree with them.
Brian Waring....
Admittedly Brian , I have only been contributing my thoughts to Toffeweb for about 3 months..and in "my opinion" it has been noticeable that any debate regarding the running of the club,the transfer dealings of the manager..or indeed the overpersonalised Stadium move..every single reply I have read from yourself is negative ,even dare I say "non - supportive".. you write with a hint of venom directed at Bill Wyness..the guy who has managed to restructure EFC debt whilst at the same time found financial support for the manager and raised off field income by 39%...
You again deride any if not all that Bill Kenwright has to say concerning the club..
And last but not least , you regularily lambast all that David Moyes has done in his steady "softly, softly" way of changing our expectations from premiership survival into regular European qualification.
So alll I ask you Brian..if im wrong, just throw a few positives at me..maybe just 2?
I suspect for you the cup,is always half empty..that yours was one of the louder voices screaming "moyes out"when we lost at home to Spurs...of course its not just you..but it breeds ..its damaging...just like the idiots who shout racist garbage..and believe because the guys wearing ared shirt ..then thats ok..well its not..be constructive..offer a solution..an idea..instead of Cos its Kirkby,or Look who so and so are buying..why arent we...
A debate..lets have one..not just throw your rattle from the pram.
Admittedly Brian , I have only been contributing my thoughts to Toffeweb for about 3 months..and in "my opinion" it has been noticeable that any debate regarding the running of the club,the transfer dealings of the manager..or indeed the overpersonalised Stadium move..every single reply I have read from yourself is negative ,even dare I say "non - supportive".. you write with a hint of venom directed at Bill Wyness..the guy who has managed to restructure EFC debt whilst at the same time found financial support for the manager and raised off field income by 39%...
You again deride any if not all that Bill Kenwright has to say concerning the club..
And last but not least , you regularily lambast all that David Moyes has done in his steady "softly, softly" way of changing our expectations from premiership survival into regular European qualification.
So alll I ask you Brian..if im wrong, just throw a few positives at me..maybe just 2?
I suspect for you the cup,is always half empty..that yours was one of the louder voices screaming "moyes out"when we lost at home to Spurs...of course its not just you..but it breeds ..its damaging...just like the idiots who shout racist garbage..and believe because the guys wearing ared shirt ..then thats ok..well its not..be constructive..offer a solution..an idea..instead of Cos its Kirkby,or Look who so and so are buying..why arent we...
A debate..lets have one..not just throw your rattle from the pram.
Terry,I meant to say "But if you are"for the move to Kirkby.
I loved the bit where you say if this was two miles nearer Walton no probs.
But its not ,its two miles further on and those two miles are what is giving many of us the jitters.
With the ballot so close and feelings running high amongst some of us fans,no submission I have come across anywhere has yet put over a viable alternative,at equal cost,to the boards proposal. Even our high profile fan the honourable concillor can only pinpoint sites that would definately be acceptable but without the necessary detail of financing,I fear that at this late stage unless someone somewhere comes up with a real goer in terms of Mr Wyness’s oft used phrase of ’Deliverable’ then the vote will be a conclusive YES.
IS THERE ANYONE OUTTHERE.
But its not ,its two miles further on and those two miles are what is giving many of us the jitters.
With the ballot so close and feelings running high amongst some of us fans,no submission I have come across anywhere has yet put over a viable alternative,at equal cost,to the boards proposal. Even our high profile fan the honourable concillor can only pinpoint sites that would definately be acceptable but without the necessary detail of financing,I fear that at this late stage unless someone somewhere comes up with a real goer in terms of Mr Wyness’s oft used phrase of ’Deliverable’ then the vote will be a conclusive YES.
IS THERE ANYONE OUTTHERE.
I am a season ticket holder. I have listened to each side of the argument, both of which can be compelling. We are talking about the home of Everton for the next 100 years. I would rather wait a while longer to get feedback on the Liverpool City Council options before we rushed into something which will change the course of Everton’s history. There is no turning back.
The Scotland Road site looks very promising. I don’t think we are in possession of all the facts. Therefore how can you make a decision?
I don’t agree there is no plan B, and the propoganda coming out of the club is worrying.
I don’t think Everton are a Coventry City. We are much more than that.
Protect our heritage and status and VOTE NO.
The Scotland Road site looks very promising. I don’t think we are in possession of all the facts. Therefore how can you make a decision?
I don’t agree there is no plan B, and the propoganda coming out of the club is worrying.
I don’t think Everton are a Coventry City. We are much more than that.
Protect our heritage and status and VOTE NO.
The kings dock for whatever reason was lost.Since then we have stood still. If we loose the Kirkby option will the same happen ? If we want to compete at the top we have to move on. The nearer to the city the better but it just wont happen.Kirkby is the affordable option we will have to get use to it,we have moved before and didn’t do so bad the odd title and a few cups !
Terry.Some positives.6th place last season and europe brilliant.Moyes has done a great job getting a great team spirit togethor and making us hard to beat,but I would like to see us play better football as well,and if your truthful we never done much of that last season.Arteta,Lescott and Cahill great signings by Moyes and probalby worth treble what we paid for them.When Kenwright bought out Johnson.I was over the moon and Kenwright was an evertonian at that.But,as the years went by,I gradually lost trust in him,Fortress,ntl,kings dock etc.It has got to a point were(maybe I am being to cynical)but I just can’t seem to trust him.Even now Terry,where Kenwright must feel the un-rest amongst fans,decides not to come out and say anything,it just seems the only time he ever comes out is when things are going well.That is just an observation.I missed 3 home games last season and have just over an 8hr round trip,(I’m originally from Huyton)and if we do move to Kirkby I will continue doing it because I love Everton.I hope Moyes does do the bizz because I genuinely do think he is becoming everton through and through.Sometimes though that isn’t enough,it is on the field that matters and he has got a good side togethor and just needs to get rid of the negativity he shows(in my opinion) to much.So I see a lot of positives Terry.But there is always going to be things that piss me off,and I come on here to vent a bit of frustration.
I’m nailing my colours to the mast and voting YES to the move.
I was born and bred in Liverpool and now live 20 miles outside and it will take me exactly the same time to get to Kirkby as it does to Goodison at the moment.
I don’t really want to move outside the ’traditional’ city limits, but I’m not that hung up on an ’invisible’ boundary and I could’nt give a flying fuck about any taunts from the ’plastic’ red’s on the other side.
Moving to Kirkby won’t make me act any differently as an Evertonian or my immediate family and friends who are all Evertonians, and I just can’t accept the notion that future generations of young Evertonians will be swayed into supporting the other side because of the new ground location, surely we are made of stronger stuff than that?
If we don’t accept this opportunity to move from Goodison, it could be up to 10 years before we are in a position to re-locate to a more favoured location in
Liverpool. Do you think local residents within the city boundaries will welcome a new football stadium on their doorstep?
Planning permission could take several years including the whole project being called in for inspection by the Ombudsman.
I’m also at a loss to understand the level of abuse hurled at Wyness for improving the club’s financial position?
I don’t give a shit that he isn’t an Evertonian, since when has this been the sole criteria for being an effective Chief Executive?
Also, I don’t care if Kenwright makes some money on his investment when he decides to sell out, after all, he re-mortgaged himself up to his neck to buy out Agent Johnson when there were very few takers.
If the vote goes against the move, watch in envy as the first bulldozers move in on Stanley Park in September as the bright new steelwork arises from the ground, and I try to view the game at Goodison from my ’obstructed view’.
Lovely..
The current scenario isn’t perfect for the pro’s or the anti’s, and I do understand the emotion’s people feel on the subject, but I do believe that once the furore has died down and people enjoy the new amenities the new ground has to offer and the additional revenue raised, our future will be a little healthier.
I was born and bred in Liverpool and now live 20 miles outside and it will take me exactly the same time to get to Kirkby as it does to Goodison at the moment.
I don’t really want to move outside the ’traditional’ city limits, but I’m not that hung up on an ’invisible’ boundary and I could’nt give a flying fuck about any taunts from the ’plastic’ red’s on the other side.
Moving to Kirkby won’t make me act any differently as an Evertonian or my immediate family and friends who are all Evertonians, and I just can’t accept the notion that future generations of young Evertonians will be swayed into supporting the other side because of the new ground location, surely we are made of stronger stuff than that?
If we don’t accept this opportunity to move from Goodison, it could be up to 10 years before we are in a position to re-locate to a more favoured location in
Liverpool. Do you think local residents within the city boundaries will welcome a new football stadium on their doorstep?
Planning permission could take several years including the whole project being called in for inspection by the Ombudsman.
I’m also at a loss to understand the level of abuse hurled at Wyness for improving the club’s financial position?
I don’t give a shit that he isn’t an Evertonian, since when has this been the sole criteria for being an effective Chief Executive?
Also, I don’t care if Kenwright makes some money on his investment when he decides to sell out, after all, he re-mortgaged himself up to his neck to buy out Agent Johnson when there were very few takers.
If the vote goes against the move, watch in envy as the first bulldozers move in on Stanley Park in September as the bright new steelwork arises from the ground, and I try to view the game at Goodison from my ’obstructed view’.
Lovely..
The current scenario isn’t perfect for the pro’s or the anti’s, and I do understand the emotion’s people feel on the subject, but I do believe that once the furore has died down and people enjoy the new amenities the new ground has to offer and the additional revenue raised, our future will be a little healthier.
Brian Waring:
Thanks for the honest response Brian. Many people come on here to vent there frustration when things are not going well..but I honestly feel that if we have forums and posts..then people should have ideas or options to back up there disatisfaction..and a lot of the time all I see is moaning for moanings sake..Bill Kenwright is running a buisiness..and while football is an emotive subject, he has no need to come and explain himself to us..the customer, at every turn....we are the only club to have offered the supporters a voice over a ground move,and even in small dealings I have had personally with the club, He has been open and accessable..and I realise that when watching a game..two people sitting next to each other may see it completely differently, BUT..and this really is a BUT..we are all SUPPORTERS..and I think we should support.
I remember cushions being thrown from the stand at Kendals team Pre 1983..and the look on the players faces..they were shitting themselves!
I wonder how things would be if we were in wigans or Fulhams shoes..or dare I say,,Burnley..or Blackpool..all once great clubs(well maybe not Wigan)..we are lucky to support such agreat club, Newcastle, Chealsea, Villa,Sunderland would kill for our trophy cabinet..and our loyalty.
All I wnt is thru good and bad , that we all get behind the team,yes by all means have an opinion,buts lets be realistic..and above all supportive..a man once said "nothing is more certain in football than disappointment".
Thanks for the honest response Brian. Many people come on here to vent there frustration when things are not going well..but I honestly feel that if we have forums and posts..then people should have ideas or options to back up there disatisfaction..and a lot of the time all I see is moaning for moanings sake..Bill Kenwright is running a buisiness..and while football is an emotive subject, he has no need to come and explain himself to us..the customer, at every turn....we are the only club to have offered the supporters a voice over a ground move,and even in small dealings I have had personally with the club, He has been open and accessable..and I realise that when watching a game..two people sitting next to each other may see it completely differently, BUT..and this really is a BUT..we are all SUPPORTERS..and I think we should support.
I remember cushions being thrown from the stand at Kendals team Pre 1983..and the look on the players faces..they were shitting themselves!
I wonder how things would be if we were in wigans or Fulhams shoes..or dare I say,,Burnley..or Blackpool..all once great clubs(well maybe not Wigan)..we are lucky to support such agreat club, Newcastle, Chealsea, Villa,Sunderland would kill for our trophy cabinet..and our loyalty.
All I wnt is thru good and bad , that we all get behind the team,yes by all means have an opinion,buts lets be realistic..and above all supportive..a man once said "nothing is more certain in football than disappointment".
You are probalby right Terry.It is easier to come on and have a go when things are not going right,than it is to come on when everything is going well.
i think the difference between the two designs unveiled is that one is a football stadium for a proper football club who’s business is football. And one is meant to be a design statement that reflects the fancy dan, spice boy "were so elequant were cool" ethos that overall constantly breeds under achievement masked by the squandering of vast sums of money.
I know which i prefer, i prefer to be understated, focused and proud. Modesty is an attractive characteristic overlooked too often is modern society.
on top of all this, these stadiums have to last 100+ years. Over this time period one design has the great potential to end up looking like a white elephant whilst the other has the potential to mature and blend with its surroundings in a dignified manner. Maybe dignity is slightly outdated again in todays society but yet again it is a very powerful and attractive characteristic.
My final thought would look at maintance and weathering of time between the two designs. The fancy, glossy aesthetics of one owe a lot to the pristine nature its materials given time and the mersey winters these pristine materials will loss their shine and sharpness leaving it feeling worn and tired unless continual money is thrown at it whilst the other, coming from a more industrail style should develop a greater sense of identity and character as opposed to always chasing the glamour of the day it was built...
Make your own decisions but remember design goes much deeper in terms of what it tells us about objects and their owner than simply the shape or space the occupy.
I know which i prefer, i prefer to be understated, focused and proud. Modesty is an attractive characteristic overlooked too often is modern society.
on top of all this, these stadiums have to last 100+ years. Over this time period one design has the great potential to end up looking like a white elephant whilst the other has the potential to mature and blend with its surroundings in a dignified manner. Maybe dignity is slightly outdated again in todays society but yet again it is a very powerful and attractive characteristic.
My final thought would look at maintance and weathering of time between the two designs. The fancy, glossy aesthetics of one owe a lot to the pristine nature its materials given time and the mersey winters these pristine materials will loss their shine and sharpness leaving it feeling worn and tired unless continual money is thrown at it whilst the other, coming from a more industrail style should develop a greater sense of identity and character as opposed to always chasing the glamour of the day it was built...
Make your own decisions but remember design goes much deeper in terms of what it tells us about objects and their owner than simply the shape or space the occupy.
We all hate change. Human nature by instinct does not like change. Have you ever been told by a friend that a movie/place/person/band is great, but compared to what you already know, it falls short. And then you find given a chance, it grows on you, and becomes the best thing since sliced bread.
I can’t understand all the fuss about moving to Kirby. You would think Kirby was was up in Cumbria the way some people are talking.
For those of us who know the geography of North Liverpool, Kirby is near Fazakerley Hospital, Maghull and Melling which is 15 minutes from Seaforth where I live. 5 minutes from Maghull where me mum lives. But according to some people we are moving to the moon.
We all have our childhood memories of walking up Waltons terraced streets towards the ground but Everton FC is more than that, it’s in the blood. That will never change. And when I’m walking towards that new stadium in Kirby, my heart will still beat a little faster, because I know I’m about to unite with 40.000 Evertonians to watch our beloved blues. New memories will be created.
Imagine being a 6 year walking towards the new stadium in Kirby, and feeling awe inspired. Change can good. We will always have Goodison in our hearts, but we will miss it wherever we move to! We are all just frightened of change!!
I can’t understand all the fuss about moving to Kirby. You would think Kirby was was up in Cumbria the way some people are talking.
For those of us who know the geography of North Liverpool, Kirby is near Fazakerley Hospital, Maghull and Melling which is 15 minutes from Seaforth where I live. 5 minutes from Maghull where me mum lives. But according to some people we are moving to the moon.
We all have our childhood memories of walking up Waltons terraced streets towards the ground but Everton FC is more than that, it’s in the blood. That will never change. And when I’m walking towards that new stadium in Kirby, my heart will still beat a little faster, because I know I’m about to unite with 40.000 Evertonians to watch our beloved blues. New memories will be created.
Imagine being a 6 year walking towards the new stadium in Kirby, and feeling awe inspired. Change can good. We will always have Goodison in our hearts, but we will miss it wherever we move to! We are all just frightened of change!!
I agree with Lyndon on everything but the Liverpool Kirkby issue. I like the proposed new stadium. Surely we are not that provincial that a move to a better stadium four miles away is going to destroy us. Does anyone know what the annual lease is?
I also agree with Lyndon that the red shites proposed new stadium is simply hideous. What a strange looking thing, not exactly in harmony with the rest of the city (or country,for that matter). I think it is a very bad waste of a very bad park.
And just think when visit the Dallas Red-shites Stadium we only have to travel 2 additional miles. The good Lord knows that most of us park and then walk that far to Goodison anyway. I believe a vote for will be wrenching. There will always be Everton. The Dickheads on LCC should have been demanding that a waterfront site for it?s most neglected of the four jewels Everton, Red-shites, Beatles and the royal blue Mersey. They and only they should hang their collective heads in shame.
mike,
totally agree with all u have said.
the red shite stadium is a fuckin eyesore, we as evertonians should get behind the club and embrase our new home in kirkby and tell the rs when they start their shit, ’are you avin a laff?’
totally agree with all u have said.
the red shite stadium is a fuckin eyesore, we as evertonians should get behind the club and embrase our new home in kirkby and tell the rs when they start their shit, ’are you avin a laff?’
I think there are lots of echoes of GP about the design. One man’s good design is another’s eyesore. But ultimately what matters most is the experience of the football played on the park and our part as supporters. So closeness to the pitch, enclosed nature and scope for the roar to go with that is what this design seems to offer.
it is good about a new stadium but everton should not move to kirby, why should everton move out of liverpool it is a big joke. we use to own anfield but everton was kind anogh to give liverpool anfield so they are being greedy and want to move everton out of liverpool into kirby i personly think we shud all come together and put a stop to this,when everton gave liverpool anfield we found a great ground and it was goodison park we all went to the ground and sang all the everton songs we could think of we won liverpool at goodison park why carnt we do that again and again and again every year we can do it. liverpool want a new stadum so why can’t everton have one where they want. i am not happy about them doing this we shud not let them do this. it is a nice disign but in the wrong place i dont want to move. i am not happy if everton has to move, it will be so unfair if everton has to move out of of goodison park to kirby i do not want to move out of that buitiful place. i think it will be verry stupid and i think everton shud never move out of this place i dont want to be out of a nice studium we have been in this stadum for years so lets win as we always do
by jack holding
age 11
by jack holding
age 11
I think the design has been made in reflection to the costs. This is a once in a lifetime (literally) opportunity to create an internationally recognisable stadium.
I know there are traditionalists (I am to a certain extent) out there who say "it should look like a football ground" but think about how instantly reconisable the San Siro is.
I am not saying that we as a club are on par with the clubs who play there but with a little imagination a design which is totally unique is acheivable...I hate to say it but I think the new anfield will have this...I like the idea of havin our tower (badge) incorporated into one of the corners maybe.
I was raised in Kirkby, live away now but am against a move to anywhere further away from the city centre than we reside now..visibility to visitors to the city is vital
I know there are traditionalists (I am to a certain extent) out there who say "it should look like a football ground" but think about how instantly reconisable the San Siro is.
I am not saying that we as a club are on par with the clubs who play there but with a little imagination a design which is totally unique is acheivable...I hate to say it but I think the new anfield will have this...I like the idea of havin our tower (badge) incorporated into one of the corners maybe.
I was raised in Kirkby, live away now but am against a move to anywhere further away from the city centre than we reside now..visibility to visitors to the city is vital
who wants to move to kirby is it eny everton fans no who wants to stay in liverpool all the everton fans i want a new stadum but not in kirby liverpool can go to kirby for a new stadium
by jackholding
age11
by jackholding
age11
i have always bin a blue i always will but kirby does not show as much blue than goodison does so it is not as good as goodison i got you scered that i wont be a blue i always will once a blue always a blue
by jack holding
age11
by jack holding
age11
dont let everton move to kirby stay in liverpool it will be unfair to move out of liverpool
The stadium is total shite.Presentation is shite.Location shite. The people in charge full of shite.
why is everything that comes out of this fuckin club shit.Thank god our football team is doin fantastic with some smashin footballers to watch.
Has anyone watched grand designs on tv.computer generated grafics flying through the place blah de blah.good isnt it.Well guess what,you wont see Evertons stadium on it.
All that money flying round and we get presented with that shite.we’re insulted time and time again by every board since Carter.Is that the best we can expect is it.Not for me it isnt.
Nothing Sasfies But The Best.thats what we say with pride.B&Q could build us better and you all know it...
Kirkby is a sellout and you all know that too...I"ll vote no to anything this board presents to me now..I’d rather wait at goodison park..till im inspired.
why is everything that comes out of this fuckin club shit.Thank god our football team is doin fantastic with some smashin footballers to watch.
Has anyone watched grand designs on tv.computer generated grafics flying through the place blah de blah.good isnt it.Well guess what,you wont see Evertons stadium on it.
All that money flying round and we get presented with that shite.we’re insulted time and time again by every board since Carter.Is that the best we can expect is it.Not for me it isnt.
Nothing Sasfies But The Best.thats what we say with pride.B&Q could build us better and you all know it...
Kirkby is a sellout and you all know that too...I"ll vote no to anything this board presents to me now..I’d rather wait at goodison park..till im inspired.
Colin Riley While you wait to be inspired watch the smashin footballers you love to watch drift away as they come to the inevitable conclusion that the club has no ambition. you say you will vote no to anything this board presents to you, where does all this hatred come from? In my opionion the stadium looks good, presentation short of real detail (but understandable, its early days yet) and the location is deliverable and only a few short miles away. So here’s a suggestion: when everton move to kirkby, you continue going to goodison and wait until you are inspired enough to see that what you are saying is total shite.
I like the design
just that it will be in the wrong location
just that it will be in the wrong location
no one wants to move to kirby so lets not move
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I am not for the Kirkby move as I believe it's more than just about football, but what I cannot believe is that we cannot come up with a better design than what we have been offered. Something half of what the Kings Dock was would be better than the new design.