COLUMNIST JOE JENNINGS
Listen to your heart
By Joe Jennings : 08/08/2007 : 
Comments (86) :
Comments (86) : Opening the mail yesterday morning, there it was, the coveted ballot paper and booklet. I immediately took it upstairs to read. Within seconds, I noticed how it was clearly designed to make all the NO voters to feel guilt at their decision. Guilt bombs galore, good tool I must admit. We were immediately greeted with ?Don?t let Everton get left behind? Why should the no voters feel guilt at THEIR decision. This is OUR club. We should be able to make our decision and not have such idiots trying to indoctrinate others of making Kirkby be perceived as a palace. It isn?t and never will be, simple as.
The quote from Cahill was interesting. ?The move to relocate to Kirkby was one of the main reasons I was keen to commit my long term future to the club?. What kind of picture are the club painting is what worries me. Are they boasting to players within the squad and potential signings that we are moving to our prestigious new home in order to tie them down or to persuade them to sign? They must be extremely confident to say the least that either the fans will vote in favour, or has it already been agreed. Who knows.
Perhaps the board have yet to hear the chants of ?You can stick your Kirkby stadium up your ass? Nothing would surprise me with this board. The Wigan game this forthcoming Saturday shall be interesting. It will be the ideal chance for KEIOC and all the other fans against the move to display were their heart lies. Expect banners, expect flags, expect leaflets, and expect songs.
I must admit upon reading the booklet as I put the pen in my hand, I did just wonder, (and I have always been strongly against the move to Kirkby) if I was doing the right thing in voting no. I eventually put the cross in the No box and feel satisfied that I have done the right thing for the future of our glorious football club. I just wonder if the booklet can sway people upon reading it. I?ve got to hand it to the club; it was a solid propaganda tool.
I was there at Wembley in ?95 at the tender age of 5. My Dad has photos, programmes etc but only glimpses of the day can I recall. I don?t want my kids, and their kids to suffer such pain at lack of successes. Seriously are we going to get 50,000 in at Kirkby, no way. So this myth that more money will be generated is tosh in my view. Obviously a rise from the money generated from Goodison is inevitable, but what will 5-6m buy you now, an unproven championship striker at best. Why do we feel like we are being rushed into a decision we don?t want to be making. We deserve to explore the alternatives because regardless of what the club says, there are some out there. If being this age with only one trophy to boast about compared to Liverpool?s 20 odd wasn?t bad enough, imagine the torment future children who idolise our great club are going to face with the club moving out of the city. I sense a painful future for the young masses if the move is to materialise.
Most of my blue mates are very passionate Evertonians, have season tickets and go to around 25 games a season. However nearly all of them who I have spoke to are strongly against it and some even threatened never to go again. Whether or not such threats are genuine or not I?m unsure. However the club needs to understand it is such fans who they need to keep hold of. The ones who were born not manufactured. The ones who have stuck by the club through thick and thin when arguably the trophy cabinet hasn?t been refurbished for 20 years. Why risk losing some of our most diehard loyal fans?Surely this will be detrimental to the club in the future. I respect those who are voting Yes. I don?t hold anything against them. They are entitled to their own opinion. As fans we are divided but we all want the same thing, success for Everton Football Club. However I do urge all those sitting on the fence, dithering and changing their minds daily to listen to your heart. If you really are unsure whether the club will benefit from the move then vote no. By voting Yes you could regret for years to come.
Finally the quote from Arteta was similarly intriguing. I?m unsure whether many picked up on it. ?You cannot miss the chance to move forward or you could regret it in the years to come? I have to disagree, as much as I adore you Mikel. If you vote No and you are satisfied with that decision, you believe you have done the right thing, I see no reason why you should regret the decision. We move on, we seek alternatives. Something always comes up, as the saying goes. We are Everton, we deserve the best, crème de la crème. Somehow Kirkby doesn?t fit that bill.
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I am a 100% no.But,I hope when Saturday comes,there is not banners all over the ground with people voicing their opinions all over them.At the end of the day we can come onto excellent sites like this to voice our opinions.Matchday,we should all be as one and get behind the team.
Brian, you and I have exchanged views and are on different sides of the Kirkby debate.
But I wanted to wholeheartedly agree with your view that we should unite behind the blues on the pitch on Saturday.
We are Everton.
Not some rabble like some other teams (e.g. in the North East of England) that I might mention.
But I wanted to wholeheartedly agree with your view that we should unite behind the blues on the pitch on Saturday.
We are Everton.
Not some rabble like some other teams (e.g. in the North East of England) that I might mention.
I agree, and even though im a yes voter I understand the reasons people will vote no and respect them and even agree to lots of them.
Its just for me I’d sooner have more chance of winning stuff for the sake of 4 miles.. I’d travel 1000 miles to watch us, so 4 and more money for better team seems something I’d like myself.
Its just for me I’d sooner have more chance of winning stuff for the sake of 4 miles.. I’d travel 1000 miles to watch us, so 4 and more money for better team seems something I’d like myself.
’I don?t want my kids, and their kids to suffer such pain at lack of successes.’
But then I thought ’sod that’ - I’ll scupper any chance of Everton regaining elite status by voting NO.
Nice one Joe.
But then I thought ’sod that’ - I’ll scupper any chance of Everton regaining elite status by voting NO.
Nice one Joe.
Sentiment - it will be the death of this once great club. This is not a "glorious" club, it was once, but not right now it isn’t. If we ever want to see days like that again, we have to take those rose-tinted spectacles off and look forwards, not backwards. The glory days of the 60s and 80s are gone, a successful future has to be built (literally) on different foundations.
Kirkby is a no-brainer of an opportunity that provides so much benefit in the form of solid financial footings and a fantastic resource that it provides the only realistic long term option.
Please let’s stop with the emotive stuff and start actually thinking...
Kirkby is a no-brainer of an opportunity that provides so much benefit in the form of solid financial footings and a fantastic resource that it provides the only realistic long term option.
Please let’s stop with the emotive stuff and start actually thinking...
Joe I am a yes voter. I have come to the conclusion that this is our chance and it is here for us to grasp now. I completely understand why some are reticent to move but I think a lot of this is down to fear of the unknown. What we musn’t allow is for this issue to split us fans and I agree that Saturday should not turn into a No Kirby Demo but I am sure it will even though this will detract from the united front we need if we are to be successful this year. The ballot is the place to make your views known not the terraces. Forget your personal greviances and get behind the team 100%.
I will be behind the team 100%. I wont be chanting songs or producing banners I just said expect them.
i hope the "Expect banners, expect flags, expect leaflets, and expect songs" was pure rhetoric?
If that happens you are undermining the credibility of any ’no’ vote - Fair enough give people information with leaflets to make a balanced decision before and after the game ...but please dont stick it down their throats with songs and chants.
For 90 minutes our energy should be behind our football team and not wasted on "we can sing loudest so we must be right" chants - what is chanting going to achieve? The board surely wont listen and it certainly wont sway any undecided voters - in fact it will definitely make most reasonable fans feel embarressed and more likely to vote ’yes’. Please see that.
I for one am undecided but if KEIOC come between me (and my fellow ’undecided’ blues) in supporting Everton FC on the pitch i know which way many will be inclined to vote - give people facts dont put yourself across as militant bullies who are reduced to negative terrace chanting when you could be supporting your team.
Come to the match on Saturday - support you team to the hilt and if you want give me some info before and after the match and i’ll have a beer with you.....please dont piss me and the majority off....if you do you will be fighting a losing battle.
If that happens you are undermining the credibility of any ’no’ vote - Fair enough give people information with leaflets to make a balanced decision before and after the game ...but please dont stick it down their throats with songs and chants.
For 90 minutes our energy should be behind our football team and not wasted on "we can sing loudest so we must be right" chants - what is chanting going to achieve? The board surely wont listen and it certainly wont sway any undecided voters - in fact it will definitely make most reasonable fans feel embarressed and more likely to vote ’yes’. Please see that.
I for one am undecided but if KEIOC come between me (and my fellow ’undecided’ blues) in supporting Everton FC on the pitch i know which way many will be inclined to vote - give people facts dont put yourself across as militant bullies who are reduced to negative terrace chanting when you could be supporting your team.
Come to the match on Saturday - support you team to the hilt and if you want give me some info before and after the match and i’ll have a beer with you.....please dont piss me and the majority off....if you do you will be fighting a losing battle.
I am frequent reader of Toffeeweb and other rival Everton websites. But I have had enough of this stadium debate. It may sound like sour grapes but I have been a supporter for 26 years now, but living in North Yorkshire I am unable to vote or have my say on one of the most momentous decisions that could make or break our great club. To all of you who can have a vote just go with your instincts and do what you think is best for the club. I am just going to let everything fall as it may and hope it turns out for the best. I like to thing i can offer some articulate input into these forums but with this whole stadium issue I am just banging my head against a brick wall. I would much rather talk about the season ahead and what a fine Manager david is what with the talent of cheap no frills but exciting players he is assembling. I look forward to when these pages are free of Stadium issues. Sorry to upset anyone.
I also think the media will be all over the game Saturday,expecting some sort of protest.As I have said lets get behind the lads and not let ourselves down.The last thing we want is to give the media a story to splash all over their papers on Sunday.
Yvonne - spot on.
I dont think you’re the only one!
I dont think you’re the only one!
I have heard and understand both sides to this debate. Iam lucky to have seen some good years at Goodison and would love to see many others at our great ground.However this seems to be an oppourtunity not to miss.How many of you think that the council/ Bestway will really make any of the alternatives come true. They wil talk a good plan B or C. Why do we have to wait untill the 11 hour for Liverpool City council to try and delay what seems to be a sound financial way forward
"The Wigan game this forthcoming Saturday shall be interesting. It will be the ideal chance for KEIOC and all the other fans against the move to display were their heart lies. Expect banners, expect flags, expect leaflets, and expect songs"
I seriously hope this will not be the case. In my article published a few days ago, I issued a rallying cry to all Evertonians to get behind the team on matchday in what points to be our most crucial season yet in the last twenty years at least. The stadium debate and the protests are not for matchday, they are for the boards and the media to paint the true opinion of the fans to the incumbent board. By all means vote No to Kirkby, that surely is protest enough. But on matchday, come 3pm this Saturday, every single voice must be united as one in supporting the one thing that unites us all: Everton FC.
I seriously hope this will not be the case. In my article published a few days ago, I issued a rallying cry to all Evertonians to get behind the team on matchday in what points to be our most crucial season yet in the last twenty years at least. The stadium debate and the protests are not for matchday, they are for the boards and the media to paint the true opinion of the fans to the incumbent board. By all means vote No to Kirkby, that surely is protest enough. But on matchday, come 3pm this Saturday, every single voice must be united as one in supporting the one thing that unites us all: Everton FC.
I’m sure this is going to go on and on until ’Bungling Bill’ and ’Mr Deal or no Deal’ are happy that they get over their 50% margin for ’Yes’ votes. However, should the vote be a resounding NO, then maybe, just maybe, those two clowns may just beat a hasty retreat from where they came and put Our Club back into the hands of someone capable of running it for the sake of the passion and tradition that has born us all as avid, mentalist Evertonians!!!! Onward Evertonia..
Why bother reading the brochure
just tick the no box and dump the Bullshite brochure in the bin.No need to complicate things.Mine was ticked no and posted with in 3 minutes of it landing.Thats what us real Evertonians do anyway.
just tick the no box and dump the Bullshite brochure in the bin.No need to complicate things.Mine was ticked no and posted with in 3 minutes of it landing.Thats what us real Evertonians do anyway.
"Thats what us real Evertonians do anyway." Nice one Tony...
..good balanced viewpoint that alienates anyone with a different opinion to you. I’m sure everyone will listen to your valued comment.
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..good balanced viewpoint that alienates anyone with a different opinion to you. I’m sure everyone will listen to your valued comment.
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Everton made its name by being a progressive club, making tough decisions and pushing ahead where others wouldn’t.
Turning our noses up on the Kirby deal is suicide.
Turning our noses up on the Kirby deal is suicide.
Dave very simply put no true Evertonian would ever want the club to move to Kirkby regardless of what may or may not be on offer.
Anyone calling for ’please no stadium chanting, flags, banners...’ is missing the point.
The majority of blues who will be at the match on Saturday rarely look at Toffeeweb or any Everton website.
I would suggest that if anti-kirkby songs do start it is because the fans singing will want their feelings on the move to be heard, and this is the only opportunity they have. Particularly the many ’walk-up’ fans who do not have season tickets (like myself - although I am able to vote)
Kenwright may not read this website, but ill bet he does watch match of the day and read the papers on sunday morning.
If Pro-Kirkby fans want to make flags/sing in support of moving that is up to them, I guess we will see what happens Saturday - lets hope for a good start to the season, AND a resounding NO vote!
The majority of blues who will be at the match on Saturday rarely look at Toffeeweb or any Everton website.
I would suggest that if anti-kirkby songs do start it is because the fans singing will want their feelings on the move to be heard, and this is the only opportunity they have. Particularly the many ’walk-up’ fans who do not have season tickets (like myself - although I am able to vote)
Kenwright may not read this website, but ill bet he does watch match of the day and read the papers on sunday morning.
If Pro-Kirkby fans want to make flags/sing in support of moving that is up to them, I guess we will see what happens Saturday - lets hope for a good start to the season, AND a resounding NO vote!
Everyone must know by now that anyone with a different viewpoint to Mr Marsh is not a true Evertonian.
How could they be? Mr Marsh’s way is the way forward, we all must follow him like sheep, he knows the future and what will happen to this club.
Tony, please stop this bollocks with "real Evertonian’s and real Everton supporters" and just agree that people with different opinions on the Kirkby thing are just Everton supporters with a different view of where the club is going and if that view differs from yours then so be it.
Or, if you want you could keep acting like a 3 year old who doesn’t get his own way.
How could they be? Mr Marsh’s way is the way forward, we all must follow him like sheep, he knows the future and what will happen to this club.
Tony, please stop this bollocks with "real Evertonian’s and real Everton supporters" and just agree that people with different opinions on the Kirkby thing are just Everton supporters with a different view of where the club is going and if that view differs from yours then so be it.
Or, if you want you could keep acting like a 3 year old who doesn’t get his own way.
"no true Evertonian would ever want the club to move to Kirkby" - a true Evertonian will choose what they believe is best for the success of the Club. In the 21st century the supporters will come from all over the country not, as they did in the 20th century, just from the local city. Stop living in the past, Everton built itself on being modern and progressive. Kirkby is the only thing on the table - if you think the club will be more successful there or at Goodison should be your only consideration. Stop being so parochial - that is the last thing a true Evertonian should be.
Stevey Baby its not about following me is it?How can it be I have no power over anyone or thier decision making.What I will say though is this.As far as I am concerned>there is no different points of view to be discussed as far as the Kirkby move is concerned.You are either for or against.Those for are selling us down the river and those against are fighting for our history our heritage our culture our future.One more time Everton will rot away out there in the sticks and once it happens theres no way back.Why risk it on a BK promise.I am not prepared to and niether should you.
Steve I reckon you have all ready done the dirty on us mate thats why your so flustered.
Well said Brian and Neil we should all get behind the team on saturday no matter what your feelings are over the ground move.
"Thats what us real Evertonians do anyway." that is so wrong tony, I have voted no but it doesn’t make me a better evertonian than my mate who has voted yes. Me and him go in the same car to all the away matches and site by each other in the park end he is entitled to his opinion as much as me and you.
"Thats what us real Evertonians do anyway." that is so wrong tony, I have voted no but it doesn’t make me a better evertonian than my mate who has voted yes. Me and him go in the same car to all the away matches and site by each other in the park end he is entitled to his opinion as much as me and you.
Well said Brian and Neil we should all get behind the team on saturday no matter what your feelings are over the ground move.
"Thats what us real Evertonians do anyway." that is so wrong tony, I have voted no but it doesn’t make me a better evertonian than my mate who has voted yes. Me and him go in the same car to all the away matches and sit by each other in the park end he is entitled to his opinion as much as me and you.
"Thats what us real Evertonians do anyway." that is so wrong tony, I have voted no but it doesn’t make me a better evertonian than my mate who has voted yes. Me and him go in the same car to all the away matches and sit by each other in the park end he is entitled to his opinion as much as me and you.
For a start off Tony I’m not flustered.
Secondly, you come out with the most ridiculous comments and people call you up on them quite rightly so.
Thirdly, I haven’t voted yet, but everytime you make a stupid comment you sway me towards a yes vote, as you have mentioned before if we move to Kirkby you won’t be going to any more matches.
So if that’s a real Everton supporter then your deluded mate.
"Done the dirty", you’re a joke.
Secondly, you come out with the most ridiculous comments and people call you up on them quite rightly so.
Thirdly, I haven’t voted yet, but everytime you make a stupid comment you sway me towards a yes vote, as you have mentioned before if we move to Kirkby you won’t be going to any more matches.
So if that’s a real Everton supporter then your deluded mate.
"Done the dirty", you’re a joke.
Never said I wont go to the games
I said I wont go to Kirkby.Big difference.I will still go the away games and European away ties if we are there but I refuse to stand or sit amongst 20.000 fans who I feel will have sold us down the river.A bit like the dockers who dont talk to the scabs who crossed the picket lines during strikes.That kind of thing.Some of have to have morals Steve.I hope all you yes voters can look yourselves in the mirror and say I done the right thing if we end up in the Towerhill Tesco Tearaway Dome.
I said I wont go to Kirkby.Big difference.I will still go the away games and European away ties if we are there but I refuse to stand or sit amongst 20.000 fans who I feel will have sold us down the river.A bit like the dockers who dont talk to the scabs who crossed the picket lines during strikes.That kind of thing.Some of have to have morals Steve.I hope all you yes voters can look yourselves in the mirror and say I done the right thing if we end up in the Towerhill Tesco Tearaway Dome.
joe your friends cant be that passionate if they say they’ll stop going if club moves
We are EVERTON FC fron the city of Liverpool(or as macca says the capital of the universe )I think the new stadium looks good its just in the wrong place whether it be Kirkby or Speke its too far from our CITY centre.Whatever the outcome of the vote we will just have to live with it, and please no protests on saturday its the result that matters.
Whilst I am firmly in the NO camp, I respect my fellow Blues who vote yes and in true democratic fashion will go with the majority decision. To compare fellow Evertonians with the scab dockers is disgraceful Tony, and I for one will be plaesed to see the back of you if we move.
we just aswell get away from the rs as they are about to win everything again, so the further away we are the better!
At the end of the day, the people who are casting these votes need to realise that this vote is a vote of confidence in the current board more than anything else. People need to think, ’do i believe that this current chairman and chief executive are the people to lead us forward for the years to come?’ Then the people who are still undecided on what to vote for, then they may be able to make their decision.
I am voting no because i do not trust the current board to move into a new, and most significant era of our history. I am unimpressed at the lack of information provided by the board in relation to the ground move, and lack of investment in the club. Surely we can get a sugar daddy or at least some serious investment if Portsmouth can! And im sure im not alone in thinking that this latest supposed 18 million pound double swoop for fernandez and yakubu may be a PR stunt to help push through the move to kirkby. Think shearer, Smith, Gonzalez etc. I really hope it isn’t, but the fact that im thinking these thoughts, and i am not the only one in doing so, shows a lack of trust in Kenwright, Wyness and the rest of the board. So should we trust these people to take us into this important stage of our development by moving us away from our original home and main fan base? Make an informed choice, which i doubt anybody can comprehensively do because we do not have all the facts.
PS, I cannot believe that we may be going into a new season without a number 9! Who can i get on my shirt! So i really hope the club can pull a rabbit out of the hat with that one.
COYB!
I am voting no because i do not trust the current board to move into a new, and most significant era of our history. I am unimpressed at the lack of information provided by the board in relation to the ground move, and lack of investment in the club. Surely we can get a sugar daddy or at least some serious investment if Portsmouth can! And im sure im not alone in thinking that this latest supposed 18 million pound double swoop for fernandez and yakubu may be a PR stunt to help push through the move to kirkby. Think shearer, Smith, Gonzalez etc. I really hope it isn’t, but the fact that im thinking these thoughts, and i am not the only one in doing so, shows a lack of trust in Kenwright, Wyness and the rest of the board. So should we trust these people to take us into this important stage of our development by moving us away from our original home and main fan base? Make an informed choice, which i doubt anybody can comprehensively do because we do not have all the facts.
PS, I cannot believe that we may be going into a new season without a number 9! Who can i get on my shirt! So i really hope the club can pull a rabbit out of the hat with that one.
COYB!
anyone else notice the scale on the map at the back of the glossy brochure. its in feet and meters instead of miles. very cynical marketing. just say NO
I have pondered over this decision for months now and I will be voting yes , I have been a season ticket holder for 12 years and have just got one son a season ticket and will be getting the other one next season I have actually visited the three options we could possibly have.
OPTION A - stay at GP ,my heart screams yes as this is where our spiritual home is but I am worried that we have not got any backer or investor we wont be able to finance this,if we did finance this we would end up in a mess (LEEDS)also I walked around GP and the surrounding streets are very run down and not very welcoming to visiting supporters,just look at the Blue house and LCC would need to spend millions improving this, Rail links -ZERO,road links -victorian roads gridlocked ,Parking -NIGHTMARE.
OPTION B - The Loop,to me this is a non starter,even if we vet the land for free its so small and no football club would ever br able to build a good size ground there, although road links would be excellent parking would be a nightmare.
OPTION C - Kirkby,here we get a new ground paid for by tesco,furnished by the sale of GP and the site has excellent road links ,parking,rail links proposed,and it is only 4 miles outside GP,it has been a number of years since I was in Kirkby and improved quite alot.
My fear is that if we turn down this option it could be a step backwards and be the demise of this club,I want to take my sons to a stadium that will be fit for purpose, no matter what you think of our board they are doing the best for EFC,but lets hope whatever decision is made its best for the long term.
Regards,Peter
OPTION A - stay at GP ,my heart screams yes as this is where our spiritual home is but I am worried that we have not got any backer or investor we wont be able to finance this,if we did finance this we would end up in a mess (LEEDS)also I walked around GP and the surrounding streets are very run down and not very welcoming to visiting supporters,just look at the Blue house and LCC would need to spend millions improving this, Rail links -ZERO,road links -victorian roads gridlocked ,Parking -NIGHTMARE.
OPTION B - The Loop,to me this is a non starter,even if we vet the land for free its so small and no football club would ever br able to build a good size ground there, although road links would be excellent parking would be a nightmare.
OPTION C - Kirkby,here we get a new ground paid for by tesco,furnished by the sale of GP and the site has excellent road links ,parking,rail links proposed,and it is only 4 miles outside GP,it has been a number of years since I was in Kirkby and improved quite alot.
My fear is that if we turn down this option it could be a step backwards and be the demise of this club,I want to take my sons to a stadium that will be fit for purpose, no matter what you think of our board they are doing the best for EFC,but lets hope whatever decision is made its best for the long term.
Regards,Peter
tony marsh totally agree with you true evertonians would send this NO vote back straight away and put the propaganda brochure in the bin
Yvonne from Scarborough - don’t think you’ve upset anyone - well said. I also live in N Yorks but am originally from Kirkby, and moved here 31 years ago when I was just 7 years old. My father was a season ticket holder through the 60’s & 70’s and I remember being in the main stand watching the like of John Connolly, Roger Kenyon, Terry Daracott George Telfer etc....I had to wait for a driving licence at 17 yrs before my brothers and I could independently travel to Goodison to watch our beloved Everton. All of our children are now staunch blues and as a family we have fantastic memories of last day survivals, Fa cup wins, bore draws and improbable wins. We’ve seen superstars and superflops, but it doesn’t matter - it’s Everton! I’ve seen the T-shirts - Evertonians are born not made!
The area in which I live and the career path I have followed means that I could never be a season ticket holder but nevertheless, my brothers and I pay over the odds through the appointed rip-off ticket agent for poor seats with poor views as often as we can every season. I love the walk from Priory Road car park to the club shop and onto the hot dog stands outside the ground, and listening to the opinions of the supporters when we’re all walking out at 4.45pm. We buy the shirts every year (whatever happened to the 2 year rotation between home and away??), we buy the programmes, subscribe to Sky, Everton TV (and this year Setanta!!) but we cannot be considered for a vote on the move to Kirkby. I understand the reasons behind this and don’t dispute them, however for all you blues who have received the voting pack, I would hate to be in your shoes. I have my own views and can think of reasons both for and against (taking into account my personal situation) and although some of you may consider me as copping out, the club has deemed my view irrelevant.
My Dad lived on Everton Valley as a boy and my mother’s family lived at Anfield - I have never lived in the city so can I be considered a true Evertonian?? Certain people visiting this website may think not - tough, I love the club.
I implore all of you to stop sniping at each other, consider both the head and the heart, and vote in the way that you would consider best for all of us - the fans. There is no club without us.
Finally, we don’t actually sing that many songs at Goodison (more players chants, d,d,d,d, Andy Johnson and "if you know your history...)so good luck to those who think they will be able to come up with something new for the vote no’s! Leave that idea away from matchday and direct all your efforts in making sure that we start the season with 3 points and an emphatic goal difference.
Wishing you all an enjoyable season,
Paul
The area in which I live and the career path I have followed means that I could never be a season ticket holder but nevertheless, my brothers and I pay over the odds through the appointed rip-off ticket agent for poor seats with poor views as often as we can every season. I love the walk from Priory Road car park to the club shop and onto the hot dog stands outside the ground, and listening to the opinions of the supporters when we’re all walking out at 4.45pm. We buy the shirts every year (whatever happened to the 2 year rotation between home and away??), we buy the programmes, subscribe to Sky, Everton TV (and this year Setanta!!) but we cannot be considered for a vote on the move to Kirkby. I understand the reasons behind this and don’t dispute them, however for all you blues who have received the voting pack, I would hate to be in your shoes. I have my own views and can think of reasons both for and against (taking into account my personal situation) and although some of you may consider me as copping out, the club has deemed my view irrelevant.
My Dad lived on Everton Valley as a boy and my mother’s family lived at Anfield - I have never lived in the city so can I be considered a true Evertonian?? Certain people visiting this website may think not - tough, I love the club.
I implore all of you to stop sniping at each other, consider both the head and the heart, and vote in the way that you would consider best for all of us - the fans. There is no club without us.
Finally, we don’t actually sing that many songs at Goodison (more players chants, d,d,d,d, Andy Johnson and "if you know your history...)so good luck to those who think they will be able to come up with something new for the vote no’s! Leave that idea away from matchday and direct all your efforts in making sure that we start the season with 3 points and an emphatic goal difference.
Wishing you all an enjoyable season,
Paul
Tony marsh, I’me with you on this one. The pro Kirkby voters are trying to sell our soul for a quick fix of Kenwrights bullshit. I could go on forever about the reasons but a move to Kirkby will kill everton f.c. stone dead within 20 years. The only reason we would need a fifty thousand seat stadium is for derby day when the rs supporters from the city of liverpool will fill it.This Kirkby issue has got to be a bad dream, I hope I’me going to wake up soon. It scares me more than any last day relegation battle. Vote no for gods sake.
It’s very difficult to "go with your heart" when there are so many different views being voiced, from the forums like this, to KEIOC, to the board. It’s impossible for the majority of the voters to know the facts. What the debt will be if we move. Or how much redevelopment of GP or the Loop may cost. It’s impossible to remain impartial.
If the board didn’t come up with a couple of fancy pics, and some dodgy estimates about finances that noone really understands, then I’m sure 100% of Evertonians would vote no. But the fact of the matter is, the only good thing the EFC board seem capable of is propoganda. They’ve built this proposal up so much, and made the supporter’s heroes (players) publically support the move. And obviously likewise on the flip side of the coin with KEIOC campaigne...they have voiced the complete contrary.
Without all this media, and propoganda, we could vote with out heart. But it’s there and it’s so hard to remain impartial with all the different opinions and facts being voiced from left, right and centre.
I advise people to try and take a step back, try to be as impartial as you can. Try to look at what the board are doing. There is a very big chance they are doing it to line their pockets. But who knows, they might genuinely be doing it for EFC. As for alternative sites/redevelopment. Nothing solid and factual (prices...) is available. Do we trust our board? Who knows. But don’t get too caught up in all the propoganda. I think the fact we need a vote suggests it’s probably not the right thing. The board realise many of us wouldn’t be happy moving to Kirkby, so the vote and the propoganda looks, in my opinion, to con many of us into supporting their proposal. Would we need a vote if we could relocate to LFC’s new site? I don’t think so. If it’s right, no vote is needed.
If the board didn’t come up with a couple of fancy pics, and some dodgy estimates about finances that noone really understands, then I’m sure 100% of Evertonians would vote no. But the fact of the matter is, the only good thing the EFC board seem capable of is propoganda. They’ve built this proposal up so much, and made the supporter’s heroes (players) publically support the move. And obviously likewise on the flip side of the coin with KEIOC campaigne...they have voiced the complete contrary.
Without all this media, and propoganda, we could vote with out heart. But it’s there and it’s so hard to remain impartial with all the different opinions and facts being voiced from left, right and centre.
I advise people to try and take a step back, try to be as impartial as you can. Try to look at what the board are doing. There is a very big chance they are doing it to line their pockets. But who knows, they might genuinely be doing it for EFC. As for alternative sites/redevelopment. Nothing solid and factual (prices...) is available. Do we trust our board? Who knows. But don’t get too caught up in all the propoganda. I think the fact we need a vote suggests it’s probably not the right thing. The board realise many of us wouldn’t be happy moving to Kirkby, so the vote and the propoganda looks, in my opinion, to con many of us into supporting their proposal. Would we need a vote if we could relocate to LFC’s new site? I don’t think so. If it’s right, no vote is needed.
And I agree with what everyone says about saturday. Support the team fully for the 90mins. Before and after do whatever. But for the 90mins we are together, and we are proud. A good start is imperitive.
Tony marsh gets the thumbs up. True blues wont sell the clubs heritage/history 4 miles down the road.
’The future for everton’ booklet should have given us the news that we want to hear:
Kenwright OUT - Investers in
(Liars out) (Some 1 honest in)
’The future for everton’ booklet should have given us the news that we want to hear:
Kenwright OUT - Investers in
(Liars out) (Some 1 honest in)
I agree, I’ll be singing those songs from my seat on saturday!
I am also quite discusted with the club and players for pressurising us into voting in Mr Wyness’ favour.
I am also quite discusted with the club and players for pressurising us into voting in Mr Wyness’ favour.
A firm no supporter, this is not a nothing but the best will do and a whim of a solution simply because we are skint. I will wait for the rich investor who is going to help this club or the more considered option within the city boundary not Speke or Goodison. We cannot continue operating on a shoe string and taking 2nd best now will not attract the real investors.
When we do win that coveted trophy and we have turned our back on this city where are we going to hold the victory parade. LCC will certainly object, if they can cancel Mathew st on health and safety they wont entertain a team from a neighbouring council - we wont be in the city anymore regardless of distance there is no going back !
Ps not sure any of our team have said a move to Kirkby is good all they have said is a move is good.
When we do win that coveted trophy and we have turned our back on this city where are we going to hold the victory parade. LCC will certainly object, if they can cancel Mathew st on health and safety they wont entertain a team from a neighbouring council - we wont be in the city anymore regardless of distance there is no going back !
Ps not sure any of our team have said a move to Kirkby is good all they have said is a move is good.
I have two votes for the coming ballot and they will both be a NO to the Kirkby move.
If we do end up in Kirkby I will continue to support my great club and I will continue to promote our great City while I travel around the world in my job. I am a scouser, born and bred; my Dad took me to Goodison 34 years ago when I was 5 and I hope somehow we can remain inside the city boundaries.
I totally respect the YES voters but get the impression that a high percentage of you are from outside the City; I might be wrong but if you are please give a little thought and respect to people like myself who are finding the thought of leaving the city boundaries very difficult to deal with.
I couldn’t give a fcuk for KEIOC campaigns or anyone else for that matter; I care for the future of our club, my own kids growing up as Evertonians and the memory of my dad for taking to this sacrid ground in the first place.
Make you own mind up but remember, your decision will stay with you forever.
If we do end up in Kirkby I will continue to support my great club and I will continue to promote our great City while I travel around the world in my job. I am a scouser, born and bred; my Dad took me to Goodison 34 years ago when I was 5 and I hope somehow we can remain inside the city boundaries.
I totally respect the YES voters but get the impression that a high percentage of you are from outside the City; I might be wrong but if you are please give a little thought and respect to people like myself who are finding the thought of leaving the city boundaries very difficult to deal with.
I couldn’t give a fcuk for KEIOC campaigns or anyone else for that matter; I care for the future of our club, my own kids growing up as Evertonians and the memory of my dad for taking to this sacrid ground in the first place.
Make you own mind up but remember, your decision will stay with you forever.
Well said!
I just don’t trust the board, haven’t for ages, thinking back to all the sh1te they feed us about players we are going to sign (smith first time round, etc, etc) and even this latest smokescreen with the Yak, don’t believe it for a minute.
As for players saying they want to move to kirky, as much as I respect their talent, most of them will have buggered off within a couple of years or so, they are only employees of the club after all so I’m afraid their comments are wasted.
I’ve said this before, IF we have to move (and I think it’s all been decided anyway because the board have already said they will only be ’guided’ by the vote result) then make the design of the new Stadium something iconic, not an annex to a Tesco store like so many new stadiums. We want a stadium to be proud of not a non descript lump of concrete done on the cheap.
I have a feeling the Tesco Dome will have the Blue and White Value stripes all over it !
As for players saying they want to move to kirky, as much as I respect their talent, most of them will have buggered off within a couple of years or so, they are only employees of the club after all so I’m afraid their comments are wasted.
I’ve said this before, IF we have to move (and I think it’s all been decided anyway because the board have already said they will only be ’guided’ by the vote result) then make the design of the new Stadium something iconic, not an annex to a Tesco store like so many new stadiums. We want a stadium to be proud of not a non descript lump of concrete done on the cheap.
I have a feeling the Tesco Dome will have the Blue and White Value stripes all over it !
Guys, some great comments. I have swayed from Yes to No, Yes to No again and again, finally i’ve decided on yes. My reasons being that I want my children to be talking about the 2010’s & 20’s in the way we talk about the 80’s, I think there are alternatives to the Kirkby plan, but where would the money come from, we have already missed the kings dock, this is on the table now and we can’t bury our heads in the sand believing that another option will come along, when would that be 2015? 2020? would will still be in the premiership?
On reading these articles one thing is clear to me, as a club with are passionate, whether the optimist or pessimist, I agree with the 1st comments in that we all want the same thing, which is success on the pitch, and that on Saturday we will unite, in all honesty do we not think that Kirkby would be full to the brim in 2010/11 if were playing Barcelona in the Champions league, what evertonian would stay away. Thats what I want new history and memorable games, I would like to see some kind of Museum though at Kirby dedicated to Goodison that I can show my kids around.
On reading these articles one thing is clear to me, as a club with are passionate, whether the optimist or pessimist, I agree with the 1st comments in that we all want the same thing, which is success on the pitch, and that on Saturday we will unite, in all honesty do we not think that Kirkby would be full to the brim in 2010/11 if were playing Barcelona in the Champions league, what evertonian would stay away. Thats what I want new history and memorable games, I would like to see some kind of Museum though at Kirby dedicated to Goodison that I can show my kids around.
Still belive the whole logistics of Kirkby have not been considered. Having sat in the car park of the motorway 90 mins before the game at Wigan and Bolton and then the retail car parks for 90 minutes after the game Kirkby does not lend itself to hosting a stadium of this magnitude forget the expansion. The city central locations of the Loop are within a stones throw of all the amenities for locals and a lot of our supporters from afar and the away fans who do make up 10% of the support and finances. The trains, planes, boats and buses are all on the doorstep. Have you tried getting to Kirkby by bus / taxi and if you have the pleasure of the rush hour on the M57 you already know how difficult it is by car, the tram is a pipedream. Having travelled to many a european city and enjoyed the tourist bus, this is a valuable source of income, you rarely find these going more than 4 miles outside of the city. No tourist to Liverpool will venture so far.
As a convention centre, concert venue the infrastructure to support his needs to be in place and Kirkby cannot hope to cater for the volumes of visitors expected. Noone will build hotels for the 1 or 2 night stays unless they can utilise for other events that a city centre can attract. Liverpool could host many more hotels on back of EFC which is why commercial partners are interested but excluded due to Tesco at present.
This is a vote not just for EFC but for the city our kids our future.
As a convention centre, concert venue the infrastructure to support his needs to be in place and Kirkby cannot hope to cater for the volumes of visitors expected. Noone will build hotels for the 1 or 2 night stays unless they can utilise for other events that a city centre can attract. Liverpool could host many more hotels on back of EFC which is why commercial partners are interested but excluded due to Tesco at present.
This is a vote not just for EFC but for the city our kids our future.
One thing strikes me about this - the no voters are quite sure about voting No and seem to have come to that decision very quickly. The Yes Voters seem to waver and be unsure of their choice. That to me suggests what we should be doing. I was in the No camp and my mind had been made up a long time ago. I have read all the arguments, both for and against but my gut feeling has never even slightly wavered. I have a feeling that if it goes ahead (and I think that decision has already been reached from what I am hearing from Kirkby residents who have been told there house will be flattened) that BK will soon find a new investor to take his shareholding off him and let him walk away with a big fat cheque. Whatever happens I shall watch Everton wherever they play however I feel that this deal is only right for the Board of Directors and Tesco’s. Tesco’s are not doing this for a long standing love of Everton, they are doing it to make a bucket load of cash and sadly I feel the EFC board are in bed with them.
"Dave very simply put no true Evertonian would ever want the club to move to Kirkby regardless of what may or may not be on offer."
Pure gash Tony Marsh. Pure gash. Is libelling your fellow fans really the best you can do? Any chance of a retraction?
Pure gash Tony Marsh. Pure gash. Is libelling your fellow fans really the best you can do? Any chance of a retraction?
I moved from my home I’d lived in all 22 years of my life a few months ago. Pretty sure my "soul" is still in-tact, and my history hasn’t suddenly disappeared... So can the "no" voters please stop with that type of argument, as it holds less water than a seive.
I’d consider myself a true Evertonian, but I dont live in Liverpool and have made the 60 mile round trip for over 8 season ticket holding years to the game. If I can do that, you self confessed hardcore evertonians can make the extra four miles. I’m sorry, its not "your" team, its all of ours.
I’d consider myself a true Evertonian, but I dont live in Liverpool and have made the 60 mile round trip for over 8 season ticket holding years to the game. If I can do that, you self confessed hardcore evertonians can make the extra four miles. I’m sorry, its not "your" team, its all of ours.
Chris, does that mean if we had a crystal ball that true Evertonians would rather see us playing at Goodison in the Championship or league 1 in ten years time, as opposed to challenging the best in the Premiership at Kirkby? I’m not suggesting that will happen but those voting no do have to be realistic it is a possibilty.
There are lots of supporters who have left our city and continue to travel. All I ask is look around you and ask who the kids support in your street, close, field and I can bet you not many support our beloved simply because of peer pressure. I admire you guys for continuing to support EFC and encouraging your kids (Duncan is it ?) to do the same but this will decline over time and so will the city support to Everton if we move out. This is not about us in the city wanting to stay local, this is about the long term future of the club our next generation and beyond. Kirkby is a stop gap short term solution with long term implications, not good by the way.
Get on Keith Wyness’ open letter on evertonfc.com! Sounds like he means business....
Dave,
Sorry mate you miss my point. First bit is a quote from someone called Tony that quite frankly pissed me off I’m calling for an apology for it. What I thought I’d said was that now is not the time to be saying stuff like he did.
Sorry mate you miss my point. First bit is a quote from someone called Tony that quite frankly pissed me off I’m calling for an apology for it. What I thought I’d said was that now is not the time to be saying stuff like he did.
TONI MARSH WHAT A ABSOLUTE DICKHEAD YOU ARE
"True blues wont sell the clubs heritage/history 4 miles down the road "
... no but they will make a pathetic ’no’ vote to kirkby , regardless of it being the only viable option (oh yes it is !), and leave the club bruised , battered , penniles ,stadiumless and in limbo for years to come. all for the sake of a romantic fixation that the club can afford to stand still and everything we ’all’ wish for will just fall into place.
grow up , get real and vote ’yes’ to kirkby . our future depends on it !
those who vote ’no’ and call themselves ’true evertonians’ are naive and will only end up harming the club they love so much.
im sorry but thats the harsh reality.
ps wyness article on the o.s hits so many nails on the head my ears are still ringing ! the loop is a hollow half measure gesture by l.c.c , that cannot and will not provide what we need.
... no but they will make a pathetic ’no’ vote to kirkby , regardless of it being the only viable option (oh yes it is !), and leave the club bruised , battered , penniles ,stadiumless and in limbo for years to come. all for the sake of a romantic fixation that the club can afford to stand still and everything we ’all’ wish for will just fall into place.
grow up , get real and vote ’yes’ to kirkby . our future depends on it !
those who vote ’no’ and call themselves ’true evertonians’ are naive and will only end up harming the club they love so much.
im sorry but thats the harsh reality.
ps wyness article on the o.s hits so many nails on the head my ears are still ringing ! the loop is a hollow half measure gesture by l.c.c , that cannot and will not provide what we need.
Lets be honest we are going to spend yet another season in mediocrity no matter where we play we got no chance in europe as squad so bad and hate to say it but liverpool will be brilliant this season and murder us in both derbies
Tony it?s your Mum.
Your teas on the table stop sulking in your bed room.
"He?s always like this when he doesn?t get his own way"
Your teas on the table stop sulking in your bed room.
"He?s always like this when he doesn?t get his own way"
I cannot believe the amount of doom and gloom on here especially Chris’s defeatist post above. With the slightest sense of perspective, anyone with a functioning brain can work out that Everton need this move to Kirkby. It is an absolute no brainer. I am postive that in 20 years time , My son will ask me what all the fuss was about. For all those like the omnipresent Tony Marsh who will refuse to sit with the other ’20000’defectors, then good bloody riddance to these myopic miscreants. Everton moved home once before and whether we like it or not they will do again, Now is the time and Kirkby is the most viable option. Voting No is just a vain attempt at Nostalgia. That said, We live in a democracy (which may come as news to some here), so it lays in the lap of the gods as far as i’m concerned.
Check out Wyness’ open letter:
http://www.evertonfc.com/news/archive/ceo-open-letter.html
http://www.evertonfc.com/news/archive/ceo-open-letter.html
Tony Marsh....
If you did put a tick in the NO box, chances are that your vote will be spoiled and not count towards the result.
It has to be an X in the appropriate box for the vote to count.
Can’t wait for Saturday. COYB’s!!
If you did put a tick in the NO box, chances are that your vote will be spoiled and not count towards the result.
It has to be an X in the appropriate box for the vote to count.
Can’t wait for Saturday. COYB’s!!
P.s WTF is that chris fella on?
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Lets be honest we are going to spend yet another season in mediocrity no matter where we play we got no chance in europe as squad so bad and hate to say it but liverpool will be brilliant this season and murder us in both derbies’’
I’ve never heard such a load of SHITE!!!!!
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Lets be honest we are going to spend yet another season in mediocrity no matter where we play we got no chance in europe as squad so bad and hate to say it but liverpool will be brilliant this season and murder us in both derbies’’
I’ve never heard such a load of SHITE!!!!!
Here’s an interesting thought... all you "No" voters out there who "will never go the game again if we move to Kirkby", how can you actually call yourselves proper Evertonians if you are coming out with shite like that?
Don’t get me wrong, there is pros and cons about the move to Kirkby, staying at Goodison, any other option etc. which I fully appreciate and relate to, but for "fans" to come out and say that they would never go the game again just because we are moving 5 miles down the road says to me that they aren’t Evertonians.
Get a grip gobshites and support your team through thick and thin. No matter if we stay at Goodison or wherever we move to you should be there at 3 o’clock every other Saturday.
Don’t get me wrong, there is pros and cons about the move to Kirkby, staying at Goodison, any other option etc. which I fully appreciate and relate to, but for "fans" to come out and say that they would never go the game again just because we are moving 5 miles down the road says to me that they aren’t Evertonians.
Get a grip gobshites and support your team through thick and thin. No matter if we stay at Goodison or wherever we move to you should be there at 3 o’clock every other Saturday.
I wonder what the Electoral Reform Society make of the glossy pro-move propaganda the club posted out with the ballot papers.
Hardly the most even-handed move, what?
Hardly the most even-handed move, what?
Tony - I very much doubt that people who come up with Towerhill Tesco Tearaway Dome could afford the naming rights of the stadium?
anyway voted YES purely because i think a yes vote gives the LCC even more to think about and might do more than put a pic on the front of the echo.
I have been watching everton from the lower Gwladys since i was 5, im now 28 and i can look myself in the mirror. I will be there on saturday as i will be in the Kirkby stadium if that happens....
Bottom line is i would watch everton on the fuckin moon if i had to!
The No voters are no bigger or better evertonians than me. yes weve had some good memories at goodison but ive also watched some shite with tears of frustartion in my eyes wondering how the hell everton can fall so low being in a relegation dogfight every year.
seriously everyone needs to read mickey blue eyes on bluekipper.
anyway voted YES purely because i think a yes vote gives the LCC even more to think about and might do more than put a pic on the front of the echo.
I have been watching everton from the lower Gwladys since i was 5, im now 28 and i can look myself in the mirror. I will be there on saturday as i will be in the Kirkby stadium if that happens....
Bottom line is i would watch everton on the fuckin moon if i had to!
The No voters are no bigger or better evertonians than me. yes weve had some good memories at goodison but ive also watched some shite with tears of frustartion in my eyes wondering how the hell everton can fall so low being in a relegation dogfight every year.
seriously everyone needs to read mickey blue eyes on bluekipper.
Read Mickey Blue Eyes, sums Tony Marsh up to a tee.
Just read that piece on Kipper, Probably the best piece i’ve read on this merry go round.
I was told by a freind in work today he recieved Four postal ballots. He olds family tickets for the goodison road paddock. What happened to one per person over the age of 18. Electoral committee say they are aware of many duplications going out and they will not be counted. Forgive me, I thought this was to be a secret ballot. Which ones will they reject and how do they know?
re. Keith Wyness’s response to the Bestway and redevolopment plans. They have been answered eloquently by the two parties involved. Sir Leahy elsewhere on this site says he was approached two years ago. If only the NO Vote section had two years. On the basis of there movement in tackling the issues we would have had a stadium built by now.
re. Keith Wyness’s response to the Bestway and redevolopment plans. They have been answered eloquently by the two parties involved. Sir Leahy elsewhere on this site says he was approached two years ago. If only the NO Vote section had two years. On the basis of there movement in tackling the issues we would have had a stadium built by now.
The article by Mickey Blue Eyes on Bluekipper is spot on isn’t it as are most of the views on this site.
I just reckon it is sheer madness the way some people go about the move to Kirkby as if it is some sort of sin. Can you anti-Kirkbyites please tell me how you regard yourself as a PROPER Evertonian when things are said like "I won’t go the match ever again if we move to Kirkby"? How pathetic and childish of a response is that? Seriously our great proud club would be well better off without you bell ends.
I totally agree with you Andy Baker - no matter where Everton are playing in the future I will be there. Likewise about the whole Goodison point - I am 21 years old and have been following the blues since as early as I can remember. In general what we have produced in my lifetime at Goodison is drab - fucking awful if I’m being honest. So I (as well as most fans around my age I’m sure) don’t really hold the Goodison sentimentality thing in high regard, unlike the older generation (and rightly so).
Anyway I’m voting YES - a brand 50,000 seater stadium 4 miles down the road for free - it would be fucking MADNESS to refuse it.
Come on you blues.
I just reckon it is sheer madness the way some people go about the move to Kirkby as if it is some sort of sin. Can you anti-Kirkbyites please tell me how you regard yourself as a PROPER Evertonian when things are said like "I won’t go the match ever again if we move to Kirkby"? How pathetic and childish of a response is that? Seriously our great proud club would be well better off without you bell ends.
I totally agree with you Andy Baker - no matter where Everton are playing in the future I will be there. Likewise about the whole Goodison point - I am 21 years old and have been following the blues since as early as I can remember. In general what we have produced in my lifetime at Goodison is drab - fucking awful if I’m being honest. So I (as well as most fans around my age I’m sure) don’t really hold the Goodison sentimentality thing in high regard, unlike the older generation (and rightly so).
Anyway I’m voting YES - a brand 50,000 seater stadium 4 miles down the road for free - it would be fucking MADNESS to refuse it.
Come on you blues.
I doubt if Tony Marsh was the major shareholder in Everton FC he would give us a vote. Talk about scabs Stalin comes to mind
John Nelson;
New stadium for free, where the fuck did you get those facts from. Wyness has mentioned three figures. £10 million, then £15 million now £50 million.
He gave Tesco,s two years to come up with plans and then de-generates anyone else with alternatives. Read between his lies and use your head. THE WHOLE THING HAS STUNK SINCE DAY ONE.
Let us look at some of his other jokes. More corporate money! Maybe on matchdays but all hotels and stadia including Goodison wants corporate money Monday to Friday. On top of this they want the lucrative wedding and anniversary markets. Do you really think people will want their special ocasion to take place in Kirkby when there are plenty of alternatives in Liverpool City Centre not to mention the conference facility’s soon to be available in the Kings Dock mini stadium. Get fucking real, we will become a backwater club going nowhere.VOTE NO, for the future of EFC.
New stadium for free, where the fuck did you get those facts from. Wyness has mentioned three figures. £10 million, then £15 million now £50 million.
He gave Tesco,s two years to come up with plans and then de-generates anyone else with alternatives. Read between his lies and use your head. THE WHOLE THING HAS STUNK SINCE DAY ONE.
Let us look at some of his other jokes. More corporate money! Maybe on matchdays but all hotels and stadia including Goodison wants corporate money Monday to Friday. On top of this they want the lucrative wedding and anniversary markets. Do you really think people will want their special ocasion to take place in Kirkby when there are plenty of alternatives in Liverpool City Centre not to mention the conference facility’s soon to be available in the Kings Dock mini stadium. Get fucking real, we will become a backwater club going nowhere.VOTE NO, for the future of EFC.
By the way, KEIOC’s proposals for the new ground are erm, how do I put it nicely, FUCKING SHITE. Seriously if they wanted to rival the Kirkby bid in any sort of proper manner they could have came up with better drawings than that!
Anyone who wants our new ground to look like a throwback from a tramp’s arse stadium in Brazil needs their fucking head testing.
KEIOC - do us all a favour and FUCK OFF - you’ve embarrassed us enough already.
Come on you blues.
Anyone who wants our new ground to look like a throwback from a tramp’s arse stadium in Brazil needs their fucking head testing.
KEIOC - do us all a favour and FUCK OFF - you’ve embarrassed us enough already.
Come on you blues.
Robert Carney you use YOUR fucking head mate - what other alternative is there?
Liverpool Council has known about this Kirkby thing FOR AGES and only now they are coming up with some half-arsed options that come nowhere NEAR to the Kirkby plans. They’ve let us down big time mate so fuck them. End of.
Vote for the future of Everton - vote fucking YES.
Come on you blues.
Liverpool Council has known about this Kirkby thing FOR AGES and only now they are coming up with some half-arsed options that come nowhere NEAR to the Kirkby plans. They’ve let us down big time mate so fuck them. End of.
Vote for the future of Everton - vote fucking YES.
Come on you blues.
John Nelson;
If you took the time to read the proposals you would find out the stadium was deliberatly void of exterior design. It was a drawing based on which to disprove the fact Goodison could not be re-devoloped. The report is 38 pages long and address both the exterior and roof issues.
Also a revered architect in stadia and advisor to the city’s authority has endorsed the plans and taken them away for furher study.
Your total irrational reply shows up the ill-informed pillock you are.All decent people will look at the facts and emotions regarding these issues and vote accordingly.
In my persoal opinion I hope the response is NO.
If you took the time to read the proposals you would find out the stadium was deliberatly void of exterior design. It was a drawing based on which to disprove the fact Goodison could not be re-devoloped. The report is 38 pages long and address both the exterior and roof issues.
Also a revered architect in stadia and advisor to the city’s authority has endorsed the plans and taken them away for furher study.
Your total irrational reply shows up the ill-informed pillock you are.All decent people will look at the facts and emotions regarding these issues and vote accordingly.
In my persoal opinion I hope the response is NO.
p.s. Nelson;
you have cleary forgot the deal of exclusivity. If you do not understand just say I and many others I am sure, will explain as simply as possible.
you have cleary forgot the deal of exclusivity. If you do not understand just say I and many others I am sure, will explain as simply as possible.
I agree with the comments made by Tony Marsh’s mum.
Some people need to get a grip, who would put their faith and belief in a city council which delivers fuck all it promises. Warren Bradley is a closet red and this loop proposal looks ridiculous. The city council is made up of over 75’s who have only just woken up from their naps and realised it’s losing it’s grip on one of its longest running local businesses. Liverpool City Council should be ashamed, it’s had long enough to sort this mess out. Get back in your hole Bradley and don’t make this look completely Everton’s doing. You give LFC whatever they want depending on how much the backhander is worth. Evertonian my arse.
Ive been going to Goodison for over 45 years now and love it to bits ,there is no bigger Blue than me ,they are my religion ,however its time to face facts .There is no viable option at the moment .The Bestway site is crap,try driving around there on a weekday ,let alone matchday !Stop rideculing Tesco (the most succesful company in Britain )and welcome their involvement / investment they are our Sugar Daddy .Seize the moment ...vote Yes.
I agree with John Nelson. The Goodison redevelopment drawings look shite but well thought out. However Can you imagine the redshite standing on the roof of there 300 million plus stadium pissing themselves laughing!!!Kirkby is the only option. Not the fantastic planned stadium we saw for KD but pretty impressive.The club has no money and needs Tesco. End of story.
Totally agree with Robert Carney "we will become a backwater club". I just can’t get my head round that decent evertonians don’t understand the larger picture to this issue. The Kirkby deal is the wrong deal which needs to be discarded. Next level is to put immense presure on Kenwright to call it quits. It’s been well documented that the man lies through his teeth. On other big occasians for the club he has been all over the media with gloryfiing comments and a few lies, but now for the most important decision the club has had to make in the last hundred years he has suddenly taken a vow of silence. He leaves the impression of being a thief in night getting this move done without anyone really knowing what happened, putting out a ballot without any transparency to the deal.
Kenwright have disgraced himself and Everton to the extend were pressure from the supporters should force him to sell out. Anyone knows that investors would be lining up if that sort of news was spread out. Next step would be for new owners to explore what the right thing for Everton would be regarding the stadium issue, wheter it being "the Loop" or tearing down Lime Street Station and building upon the rails.
Kenwright is not fit to run our club, and Kirkby is not right, so the road forward is clear
VOTE NO, KENWRIGHT SELL OUT, NEW OWNERS, NEW STADIUM
Kenwright have disgraced himself and Everton to the extend were pressure from the supporters should force him to sell out. Anyone knows that investors would be lining up if that sort of news was spread out. Next step would be for new owners to explore what the right thing for Everton would be regarding the stadium issue, wheter it being "the Loop" or tearing down Lime Street Station and building upon the rails.
Kenwright is not fit to run our club, and Kirkby is not right, so the road forward is clear
VOTE NO, KENWRIGHT SELL OUT, NEW OWNERS, NEW STADIUM
Vote NO! i can understand why people are undecided on what to vote for but the majority of yes voters arent even scousers they will not have to put up with being ridiculed by gobshites every day, and what can i say back to them if we do leave this city. nothing and just compare are stadium to the shites new 1 it looks like ares took 10minutes to design. vote NO and look for alternatives inside OUR city were everton football club belongs and always will!!!
I cannot believe all you no voters, sitting there waiting for a multi millionaire to come in and say "hey guys can I buy you a 50 miilion club and give davy 200million to spend,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,GET REAL,,,,,,,,,,,we are skint and going nowhere,if this deal falls through what next,,,,,,
I got my ballot through and me and my partner had yes ticked and posted within the hour. I’m flabbergasted at the naivity of some people when they say the new ground wont be in Liverpool.
I have lived my entire life in the Sefton/Knowlsey area (Bootle/Netherton/Kirkby/Seaforth) not in the Liverpool boundary but all those people in those areas are just as scouse as those within Liverpools boundary.
Are we saying that a five minute drive from Fazakerley Hospital is the other side of the world?
All you ’NO’ voters, get real!
I have lived my entire life in the Sefton/Knowlsey area (Bootle/Netherton/Kirkby/Seaforth) not in the Liverpool boundary but all those people in those areas are just as scouse as those within Liverpools boundary.
Are we saying that a five minute drive from Fazakerley Hospital is the other side of the world?
All you ’NO’ voters, get real!
Barry Scott and Tony Marsh why or rather how can either of you claim to be Evertonians you know the peoples club. first Tony like you I am a no voter this dose not make me any more a blue than a yes more traditionalist maybe but certainly no better and Barry you are all that’s wrong with football today if its not to your liking then lets abuse them you give the yes voters a bad name in fact if all yes voters where like you more people would agree with Tony so before you come out with more foul abuse on fellow blues just think the people you are abusing are the same ones that followed Everton through some pretty poor eras I have gone since 1958 and never felt the need to insult a blue so may I suggest to both of you grow up we all know what ever happens we will all be blues all Evertonians and certainly not gobshites remember its kopites are gobshites as the saying goes
Well said Roy, very balanced. Everyone can put their point across without knocking the others. It’s unfortunate that votes bring out the likes of Tony and Barry, but that’s democracy!!!
Apparantly the residents in Kirkby are pressing Knowsley council saying they do not want EFC to build a ground there so this could get vetoed,and as for all the poeple thinking we are moving a million miles away,the proposed site is 900m over LCC border line..............anyhow I will still be voting yes and respect my fellow evertonians on their vote
I listened to my heart.
My heart said "Joe?s an idiot."
My heart said "Joe?s an idiot."
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I, for one, agree with Arteta. You cannot just sit around wishing that something comes along. Blind hope is not any kind of foundation for a successful enterprise.