Nil Satis-fied...
By Tony Marsh : 13/08/2007 : 
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Another season kicked off against Wigan Athletic on Saturday and, after 200 games of David Moyes as manager, there is nothing new to report. Moyes may have stabilised the club out on the pitch but it sure is horrible to watch.
Comments (77) : I am sure you will agree with me that winning a trophy these days is virtually impossible unless you are a member of the Big Four. Even the Milk Cup (or whatever it's called now) goes to one of the big boys every season. So what's in it for the rest of us then?
If we accept the harsh reality that a trophy coming to Goodison Park is never going to happen in the end, what do we want from the game? All I can think is we should at least be entertained when we go to watch our team play. The shite I witnessed at the weekend was many things but it certainly wasn't entertainment. Wigan are surefire certs to be relegated this season and we struggled against them all over the park. Not the sign of a team going places is it?
According to the Moyes Brigade, David Moyes has put together the best squad of players Everton have had since the mid 80s. Why then are we still playing like a pub side who have been out on the lash the night before? Dull dreary and predictable. The way we play is prehistoric and the European sides will have a field day with us once again.
What is it with DM? Why can't he see that we are far more effective when we get the ball down and play it to feet? It's not that hard to understand this football malarky is it?
I now know for certain that watching Everton play while Moyes is the Manager will always be the same. After 5 years in charge, Moyes is not suddenly going to transform his approach to the game and send out free flowing footballing sides is he? The way we play is horrific and should be banned under the Trades Description Act. I could understand us playing this way if it was bringing success but it's not ? so what's the point?
Arteta must lie awake at night thinking "What the fuck have I got myself into here?" He is the only reason many fans still go to the match and without him there would be little reason to bother. This 50,000-seater new stadium is going to take some filling if the football remains the same as it now thats for sure...
On to Kirkby and the proposed ground move. Ged Dwyer is absolutely spot on when he says we will start to lose our fan base once we leave the city. Why is this fact so hard for the Yes voters to grasp? Imagine kids still at school growing up with their mates. LFC with a brand new stadium on Stanley Park or Everton out in the sticks in Kirkby are the choices. The kids who support Everton are continually being goaded about the club they follow:
"We are the only club in the city. Liverpool FC are the real team. Everton are nothing. Why do you bother with them? They never win fuck all any way and now they are miles from anywhere. Why are you sticking up for a club that deserted you?"After a few years, the constant barrage will take affect and slowly but surely our support will fall away. Kids will just want to be happy and go along with the in-crowd. Supporting Everton will become too much like hard work. It's human nature that will turn the youngsters against the club.
Please don't say that Evertonians are born and not manufactured. That might be the case now but that won't be the case once we have uprooted and left. My kids support Everton and go the games with me but I refuse to take them to Kirkby so what happens to them after I stop going? Who gives them the encouragement to carry on when the chips are down because I won't be doing it?
I know plenty more of our lads who feel the same way as me and are refusing to go the game if we leave the city for Kirkby. I know some of you will come on here and say you would support Everton whereever they play and that I am not a true fan for turning my back on the club. Well, the truth is I wouldn't want to sit in a ground half-full of traitors who have sold us out and are still singing "If ya know yer 'istory..." What a joke that would be.
The erosion of the fanbase won't happen overnight but eventually it will. Then, when you Yes votes are sitting in the half-empty legobox stadium with less atmosphere than the moon, you can pat yourselves on the back and say: "We did this to our club." You won't be able to blame Kenwright or Wyness either because they will be long gone. Pockets full with all the lovely money they have made from this deal.
As the open-top bus arrives at St Georges hall carrying the Liverpool team with yet another trophy to parade, Everton fans can only dream of one day driving through Tower Hill and Roughwood and then on to Kirkby Town Hall in an open-top bus of their own. I mean, if we ever do win a trophy, we can't parade around the streets of Liverpool can we? We won't be welcome. We will be from Knowsley not Liverpool and it's Knowsley we shall parade around.
This shit would be funny if it was happening to someone else. Trouble is it's happening to us and some of you fools are voting for it. Bill Kenwright couldn't run a bath never mind a football club and it's him your are putting your faith in. Kenwright the schemer who fucked up the Kings Dock move. Is he really the man to trust with the future of our club?
Answers on a postcard from Knowsley please.
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Will you still moan constantly on toffeeweb when you have "given up" supporting Everton because they took a good financial decision and have bought some good new players to aid their European campaigns in the new ground??
You can bitch and slander elsewhere, it’ll make me happier.
DOOM & GLOOM...
DOOM & GLOOM...
YAWN....................
You can bitch and slander elsewhere, it’ll make me happier.
DOOM & GLOOM...
DOOM & GLOOM...
YAWN....................
Well we’re fucked if we stay, and fucked if we go, eh Tony? Personally, if Everton are going down the shitter anyway, then I’d at least like some legroom to watch it happen.
As for a legobox stadium with less atmosphere than the moon, have you seen Anfield in recent years? If you know your history, and bother to read other peoples posts, you’d know moving outside the city boundaries to a new ground is nothing new to Everton.
Fuck what the redshite say. All of their youth players are woolybacks, playing in a faux woolyback borough, Stevie G Laa is a woolyback and Carragher is a woolyback. The pricks who call us anything but a Liverpool club are either deluded sad acts or home counties LFC merchandise carrier-bag grippers.
Kenwright is far, far from perfect, but he is all we have aty the moment. And he’s preferable to Peter Johnson, if you remember the days under him?
As for a legobox stadium with less atmosphere than the moon, have you seen Anfield in recent years? If you know your history, and bother to read other peoples posts, you’d know moving outside the city boundaries to a new ground is nothing new to Everton.
Fuck what the redshite say. All of their youth players are woolybacks, playing in a faux woolyback borough, Stevie G Laa is a woolyback and Carragher is a woolyback. The pricks who call us anything but a Liverpool club are either deluded sad acts or home counties LFC merchandise carrier-bag grippers.
Kenwright is far, far from perfect, but he is all we have aty the moment. And he’s preferable to Peter Johnson, if you remember the days under him?
Comments removed following reader complaints. John, your satire was lost on those who aren't familiar with your general stance! — Ed
The fanbase will erode will it? Will all these little kids in Kirkby be oblivious then to the same you envisage in Liverpool schools but in reverse?
Oh, and I had stick throughout my school years from the gobshites over the park. They had plenty to beat us with throughout the nineties - I’m still blue. So are the chaps I was at school with. Throwing the Kirkby bollocks at us won’t change a jot.
Oh, and I had stick throughout my school years from the gobshites over the park. They had plenty to beat us with throughout the nineties - I’m still blue. So are the chaps I was at school with. Throwing the Kirkby bollocks at us won’t change a jot.
ive read a few comments about how we will struggle this season because we found it ’hard’ (apparently) to beat a team like wigan.
last season ther wernt many (if any) teams worse than watford an im sure that was the same score wasnt it. as for this ’boring’ tag if you luk at bolton it shows that boring may be effective for a certain type of team. now big sam has gone theyve just been hammered by the geordies. if playing ’nice’ football meant us losing a few extra games then i would, for now, be satisfied to watch a grafting team who picks up more points.
however i dnt like to have neville an carsley playin nxt to eachother simply because we have better players on the bench who can replace one of them.
last season ther wernt many (if any) teams worse than watford an im sure that was the same score wasnt it. as for this ’boring’ tag if you luk at bolton it shows that boring may be effective for a certain type of team. now big sam has gone theyve just been hammered by the geordies. if playing ’nice’ football meant us losing a few extra games then i would, for now, be satisfied to watch a grafting team who picks up more points.
however i dnt like to have neville an carsley playin nxt to eachother simply because we have better players on the bench who can replace one of them.
Tony, Your points carry no weight with me, I feel you are far too NEGATIVE and you shoot yourself in the foot nearly ALL the time. Dear oh dear, you were sure Osman would have a shocker on Saturday but he was second only to Arteta for Man of the Match! You are so wrong re Kirkby too. It will be regenerated in a 400million regeneration programme, it will effectively joined as part of Liverpool (ignoring the imaginary ’boundary’) It is at the BIG BLUE HEART of the Liverpool and Merseyside City Region! If you were positive not negative I’m sure your passion would be very welcome behind Everton in Kirkby. Try being positive please, things will then turn out for the best and you’ll be pleased things turn out well! E.g. You must feel really silly as when you predicted we’d struggle to stay up last year! We’re the Pride of Merseyside: COME ON YOU BLUES!!!
’Arteta must lie awake at night thinking "What the fuck have I got myself into here?" ’
I’m getting really sick of reading stuff like this. He has just signed a new contract, and to think that he will start agitating for a move just because we don’t always play flowing football i think is out of order. He and Cahill both seem like decent men, and basically it is besmirching their character to come out with this sort of thing.
I’m getting really sick of reading stuff like this. He has just signed a new contract, and to think that he will start agitating for a move just because we don’t always play flowing football i think is out of order. He and Cahill both seem like decent men, and basically it is besmirching their character to come out with this sort of thing.
This city boundary thing is getting on my nerves.
Most of those moaning about it would readily go to a new stadium in Crosby or on Dunningsbridge Road.
If they don’t already know, and they probably don’t, both these sites are outside the boundary of Liverpool. Anyhow some politician several years ago decided to draw some artificial line, one side Liverpool, the other Knowsley/Cheshire/Sefton. Some time in the future some other politician could draw another line
and say Kirkby etc is to become another district IN Liverpool, just like West Derby.
Would these moaners come up with another excuse to critcise a move to Speke (inside Liverpool) as Speke is twice as far from Goodison as the new proposed site in Kirkby is.
Just stop moaning and support a move to a new stadium where all attendees can see an uniterrupted view of our Everton.
Most of those moaning about it would readily go to a new stadium in Crosby or on Dunningsbridge Road.
If they don’t already know, and they probably don’t, both these sites are outside the boundary of Liverpool. Anyhow some politician several years ago decided to draw some artificial line, one side Liverpool, the other Knowsley/Cheshire/Sefton. Some time in the future some other politician could draw another line
and say Kirkby etc is to become another district IN Liverpool, just like West Derby.
Would these moaners come up with another excuse to critcise a move to Speke (inside Liverpool) as Speke is twice as far from Goodison as the new proposed site in Kirkby is.
Just stop moaning and support a move to a new stadium where all attendees can see an uniterrupted view of our Everton.
Moyes Out?
Kenwright Out?
Wyness Out?
No, I’d much rather prefer:
Tony Marsh - Gagged!!!
Kenwright Out?
Wyness Out?
No, I’d much rather prefer:
Tony Marsh - Gagged!!!
No offence Tony Marsh but you are a tit. Please tell me since when was the proposed ground in Kirkby "miles" away from Goodison?
Now if you’re not prepared to travel an extra 4 to 5 miles down the road to watch the club you supposedly "love" then you are obviously full of shit. End of.
Come on you blues.
Now if you’re not prepared to travel an extra 4 to 5 miles down the road to watch the club you supposedly "love" then you are obviously full of shit. End of.
Come on you blues.
Maybe a bit OTT in some areas but I can empathise with a lot of what you say Tony.
I think many of us have come to accept trophyless seasons in the top half of the table as good enough for our club. Yes I think what we have now is an improvement from the days of Walter Smith but we do need to kick on.
I feel that the lack of transparacy and the failure of the club to communicate on key matters has marginalised supporters who were already pissed off.
I think many of us have come to accept trophyless seasons in the top half of the table as good enough for our club. Yes I think what we have now is an improvement from the days of Walter Smith but we do need to kick on.
I feel that the lack of transparacy and the failure of the club to communicate on key matters has marginalised supporters who were already pissed off.
Tony, I am a "no" voter to Kirkby, but I tell you what fellar if there is anyone I dont want to be in the trenches with it’s you! Back against the wall lets blame every fucker and his wife for the predicament we find ourselves in.
You have every right to give your opinion, but levelling your shit throwing stick at Moyes is quite laughable.
We done the job at the weekend, if it wasn’t good enough, tough shit. I will put up with another 20 of those at goodison this season as long as we walk away with the 3 points. We had none of the new players starting and 2 key players missing. We done well considering.
With regards to the Kirkby rant, I actually agree with your point about the erosion of the fan base in future generations. What I don’t agree with is calling the "yes" camp traitors. They have their opinions and have voted accordingly-I have my opinion and I too have voted accordingly. The last thing the "No" camp need is a shit slinger calling fellow blues "traitors" and whatever else you level at them.
Lets just see what happens when the result rolls out. I am sick to death of people without any constructive arguments to actually get ourselves heard by the people who matter.
You have every right to give your opinion, but levelling your shit throwing stick at Moyes is quite laughable.
We done the job at the weekend, if it wasn’t good enough, tough shit. I will put up with another 20 of those at goodison this season as long as we walk away with the 3 points. We had none of the new players starting and 2 key players missing. We done well considering.
With regards to the Kirkby rant, I actually agree with your point about the erosion of the fan base in future generations. What I don’t agree with is calling the "yes" camp traitors. They have their opinions and have voted accordingly-I have my opinion and I too have voted accordingly. The last thing the "No" camp need is a shit slinger calling fellow blues "traitors" and whatever else you level at them.
Lets just see what happens when the result rolls out. I am sick to death of people without any constructive arguments to actually get ourselves heard by the people who matter.
Why the hell does this Tony Marsh bother going to the match if he knows we are gonna play shite football? Never known the phrase ’talking out of your arse’ to be so apt for a person. Why doesn’t he piss off and spend his money on something he will enjoy and leave us proper supporters to it?
Fact is Tony, the majority of things that you write are bollocks and unfounded, again I have to point out that your vision of the future is your opinion and not fact.
Truth be told Tony, if you were Chairman or Chief Executive of a football club I?d like to see how you would manage. I doubt you would end up doing much different to the current regime with the constraints that are in place these days. You would probably like to think that you would do things differently but I think you would find it difficult.
At the end of the day you know no better than I what it takes to run and manage a football club.
Also, just so you know, the only person who knows what Arteta thinks is Arteta himself.
But then your not bothered what I write are you? Because I’m not a REAL supporter, although I must say whether we go to Kirkby or not, I’ll still be buying tickets to matches and if we do end up going to Kirkby it may be a Godsend, because the supporters who do go won’t have to put up with plonkers like you.
Truth be told Tony, if you were Chairman or Chief Executive of a football club I?d like to see how you would manage. I doubt you would end up doing much different to the current regime with the constraints that are in place these days. You would probably like to think that you would do things differently but I think you would find it difficult.
At the end of the day you know no better than I what it takes to run and manage a football club.
Also, just so you know, the only person who knows what Arteta thinks is Arteta himself.
But then your not bothered what I write are you? Because I’m not a REAL supporter, although I must say whether we go to Kirkby or not, I’ll still be buying tickets to matches and if we do end up going to Kirkby it may be a Godsend, because the supporters who do go won’t have to put up with plonkers like you.
We start off the season with win, while sides that have spent fortunes dropped points, and Marsh bitches. Arteta is getting rave reviews all over the press, couldn’t have been that boring could it? United drew 0-0 against a 10 man Reading at home. Spurs lost to newly promoted Sunderland, great result there by a team that spent almost 17 million on one striker alone. West Ham got stuffed in their home opener, was that exciting play what you’re looking for. Arsenal barely pulled out a 2-1 win at home to Fulham, FULHAM!!! Portsmouth could only draw 2-2 with Derby, the most likely team to be relegated this season. Is that the type of play you want to watch? I’ll take an Everton that plays hard nosed football and wins, with an outstanding playmaker in Arteta, over your desire to be more "entertained" any day. What the hell is more entertaining than watching Everton win anyways?
"On to Kirkby and the proposed ground move. Ged Dwyer is absolutely spot on when he says we will start to lose our fan base once we leave the city. Why is this fact so hard for the Yes voters to grasp?" Thats just it Tony,it isnt fact! Do you get rid of everything in your life as soon as it does something you dont agree with? Everton dont need ’supporters’ like you,your so bitter and negative,its almost like you hate Everton!
You spent most of last season saying arteta wouldnt stick around because of the lack of ’flowing’ football, damn blast, then he goes and signs for another 5 years of it, but never mind that eh?
Its ridiculous how often you are wrong and then spout almost identical tosh again and again.
Tony please be advised, you are an absolutely useless judge of which players are gonna ’be’ brilliant players.
Which teams are gonna ’leave us behind’.
How we are going to fare for the remainder of any given season.
And most of all what players ’think’.
thats all for now.
Kind regards
Its ridiculous how often you are wrong and then spout almost identical tosh again and again.
Tony please be advised, you are an absolutely useless judge of which players are gonna ’be’ brilliant players.
Which teams are gonna ’leave us behind’.
How we are going to fare for the remainder of any given season.
And most of all what players ’think’.
thats all for now.
Kind regards
Message removed for teen/txt-speak offenses ? Ed
We, we had to wait just over 3 weeks for the latest piece from Tony, and he didn’t disappoint. He’s still mainly talking out of his fundament.
While I’m prepared to accept his heart is in the right place, surely he himself must get fed up listening to himself whinge? I mean, just what will it take to cheer him up?
Having said all that, a re-read of his latest column shows there’s plenty perhaps to keep an up-and coming defamation lawyer busy. I mean, statements like ?Bill ... Kenwright the lying schemer who fucked us over on the Kings Dock move? and ?? Kenwright or Wyness ? will be long gone. Pockets full with all the lovely money they have made from this deal.? Them?s bold words Tony, and you?ve said more inflammatory things elsewhere on this website. I hope you can back ?em all up if the lawyers ever come a calling.
I just hope, for the sake of all those people who rely on Toffeeweb as their main web source of information about the club, that if someone does sue they make a distinction between Mr Marsh and the site owners who publish his words - but don?t count on it.
While I’m prepared to accept his heart is in the right place, surely he himself must get fed up listening to himself whinge? I mean, just what will it take to cheer him up?
Having said all that, a re-read of his latest column shows there’s plenty perhaps to keep an up-and coming defamation lawyer busy. I mean, statements like ?Bill ... Kenwright the lying schemer who fucked us over on the Kings Dock move? and ?? Kenwright or Wyness ? will be long gone. Pockets full with all the lovely money they have made from this deal.? Them?s bold words Tony, and you?ve said more inflammatory things elsewhere on this website. I hope you can back ?em all up if the lawyers ever come a calling.
I just hope, for the sake of all those people who rely on Toffeeweb as their main web source of information about the club, that if someone does sue they make a distinction between Mr Marsh and the site owners who publish his words - but don?t count on it.
This "Tony Marsh" persona is hilarious! Somewhere between the self righteous nonsense of a Dave Spart and the bewildered witterings of an Andy Townsend - conratulations to the author, one of the finest comedy creations since Ali G. Channel 4, give this man a sketch show!
Stop going to the match Tony, it’ll probably cheer you up and I’m 100% certain it’ll cheer up the poor buggers who have to sit near you.
I must say I am very encouraged by the responses to Tony.
yep, it’s tripe like this which really gets on my tits. pretty much everyone else here has had it with these lame rantings, but the funniest thing of all is the labelling of opinions as FACTS!!
The NO camp do tend to lean towards the sanctimonious, but it’s times like this which make me wonder exactly "what is an evertonian"?
The NO camp do tend to lean towards the sanctimonious, but it’s times like this which make me wonder exactly "what is an evertonian"?
The fans (and 40k a week) are the reason Mikel decided to stay. Not new grounds and empty promises. I love Goodison but lets get real, it’s a shithole, we’ve all sat in an obstructed view at one point and when clubs like Bolton sing shitty ground it makes me cringe. But, I love Everton, not Goodison. I’ll follow them anywhere. Get a grip and support your team. We want whats best for the club. Fuck the ground debate.
talking of people full of crap....
beatie - "Last season was a bit of a nightmare. If the manager doesn’t fancy you any more you get frozen out and that’s what happened to me."
beatie was given every opportunity to show what he can do and failed in every attempt. he wasnt frozen out ,the fact was he was simply rubbish.
beatie - "Last season was a bit of a nightmare. If the manager doesn’t fancy you any more you get frozen out and that’s what happened to me."
beatie was given every opportunity to show what he can do and failed in every attempt. he wasnt frozen out ,the fact was he was simply rubbish.
One point I do agree with.I couldn’t sit through another season,playing the football we played for most of last season.I just hope saturday was a one-off.
So I suppose you yes voters didnt read Coiln Fitz,s article then.If you did then you probably think he is making it all up right? Its so easy to sit back and let people do your thinking for you
Bollocks Tony,
Stores move all the time to BIGGER and BETTER premises and established customers and new customers still turn up to buy the product. You buy into the product Tony, not where it is.
Yet more bollocks from yourself.
Stores move all the time to BIGGER and BETTER premises and established customers and new customers still turn up to buy the product. You buy into the product Tony, not where it is.
Yet more bollocks from yourself.
Steve, you’re correct to mention the ’product’, but it’ll be a no-brainer for kids to see the Liverpool ’product’ as LFC not EFC.
The Everton ’product’ is part of Liverpool.
Liverpool is about to start on a massive growth which, as a major city, will continue over the coming years. Kirby will not be part of that.
The Everton ’product’ is part of Liverpool.
Liverpool is about to start on a massive growth which, as a major city, will continue over the coming years. Kirby will not be part of that.
Oh really Steve so you are now the offical spokesman for all Everton supporters are you.How do you know every one of our fans will follow the club to Kirkby.I have already stated I wont go and I know more who think the same way.Its a massive gamble the club is taking by testing loyalty of the fans in this way.It will only take a small percentage of our support to stay away before we feel the effect.Then again some of these new customers you speak of might come along and take their places.HA HA HA.What a dreamer
As mentioned before, you are the one no-one takes any notice of Mr Marsh.
See all of the above posts to see that no-one takes your opinions with a pinch of salt.
Enough Said.
See all of the above posts to see that no-one takes your opinions with a pinch of salt.
Enough Said.
Tony is taking rubish in one respect tho’ - there are plenty of scousers who do want the move.
I resent the idea that all scousers want to stay and the rest want to move. That is b*&(cks.
I want to stay, my dad wants to go.
We were both born in Walton.
I resent the idea that all scousers want to stay and the rest want to move. That is b*&(cks.
I want to stay, my dad wants to go.
We were both born in Walton.
You’re a joke Tony, and judging by the responses to your little tantrem, Steve speaks for a hell of a lot more Evertonians than you do. If it’s the name Liverpool you love so much, go support that team.
Tony when your up to your neck in a hole ---- Stop digging!!
Tony I have a genuine question for you. You make many predictions about the death of the fanbase, being taken to the cleaners by the big boys again (just like last season when with a fraction more luck we would have beaten all four at Goodison), Arteta skipping away etc etc etc. Yet, none of your previous predictions have come to pass.
You claimed last season we had no chance of getting in Europe, you claimed our best players would leave in the summer, you claimed the Spurs mess had ruined any chance of success, you claimed there would be no money for transfers etc etc etc.
My questions is this: Your claims and argument is based on your interpretations and predictions but why on earth should we listen to the words of someone so consistently wrong?
You claimed last season we had no chance of getting in Europe, you claimed our best players would leave in the summer, you claimed the Spurs mess had ruined any chance of success, you claimed there would be no money for transfers etc etc etc.
My questions is this: Your claims and argument is based on your interpretations and predictions but why on earth should we listen to the words of someone so consistently wrong?
The reason you should listen now John regarding the Kirkby move is because I live here. I grew up here and I know how a lot of our fans are feeling about it. I bet most of the Yes voters who are from out of town haven't got a clue where Kirkby. How many of them do you reckon have ever been to Kirkby and had a look were this ground is supposed to going? It might make a journey to the match less hassle for some of you who travel here but do you really know and understand what you are voting for????
Let’s hope it’s a resounding yes vote so we wont have to put up with anymore of your mindless ramblings. Read Terry Leahy’s letter without any preconceived thoughts and tell me moving to Kirkby is not a great investment. The man is one of the Top Executives in UK & The World plus an Evertonian & you are turning down 150 million of investment. Stay at Goodison if you want or even worse move to the roundabout (sorry ’The Loop’)& rot - sorry but if we don’t move to Kirkby then the club will die end of story.
Well, I don’t often agree with anything David Barks writes, but I too am pleased with the majority of responses to Tony’s latest regurgitation. I was in two minds whether to publish this latest effort, mainly because of his use of abusive terms to describe fellow Evertonians who have a different view of things than he does.
Fact is, though, I do believe Tony is not alone. You don’t have to spend long inside Goodison on a matchday to finnd quite of few of Tony’s "friends" who come out with the same sort of shite, who have the same entrenched opinions that cannot be changed, and who cannot tolerate the existence of opposing views. So, to that limited extent. Tony is representative of something... even if it is something many of us have little stomach for.
For me, the Arteta example raised above is the perfect thing to rub Tony’s nose in, and it contains a lesson for all who will make foolish predictions and then package them as "fact". Unfortunately, such nonsense seems to be the meat of most footy arguements... which is fine as long as you have a few bevvies to wash it all down with. It just desen’t make for very good reading on t’internet.
Fact is, though, I do believe Tony is not alone. You don’t have to spend long inside Goodison on a matchday to finnd quite of few of Tony’s "friends" who come out with the same sort of shite, who have the same entrenched opinions that cannot be changed, and who cannot tolerate the existence of opposing views. So, to that limited extent. Tony is representative of something... even if it is something many of us have little stomach for.
For me, the Arteta example raised above is the perfect thing to rub Tony’s nose in, and it contains a lesson for all who will make foolish predictions and then package them as "fact". Unfortunately, such nonsense seems to be the meat of most footy arguements... which is fine as long as you have a few bevvies to wash it all down with. It just desen’t make for very good reading on t’internet.
Will Tony have learned his lesson? I sincerely don’t think so for one nano-second.
Tony’s problem, he thinks he’s right all the time.
You can’t argue with people like that because they refuse to believe their wrong but in many cases they are.
You can’t argue with people like that because they refuse to believe their wrong but in many cases they are.
Yet again Tony provokes a steady stream of comments. I am not going to get into the whole issue of the stadium move, as I have done so on this site prevoiusly. Instead I am going to comment on Mr. Marsh’s "article".
It is well written and has some good soundbites, such as...."Then, when you Yes votes are sitting in the half-empty legobox stadium with less atmosphere than the moon, "
I would even say that Tony has made some good points in this article, but Tony, you undo all of your work when u call fellow Evertonians "fools" & "traitors".
Think about it. If someone was sitting on the fence regarding this issue, by calling them such names you will give them a reason to decide to vote yes. By calling people names u distance yourself and your stance from them and those sitting on the fence become more likely to vote YES to the move.
It is well written and has some good soundbites, such as...."Then, when you Yes votes are sitting in the half-empty legobox stadium with less atmosphere than the moon, "
I would even say that Tony has made some good points in this article, but Tony, you undo all of your work when u call fellow Evertonians "fools" & "traitors".
Think about it. If someone was sitting on the fence regarding this issue, by calling them such names you will give them a reason to decide to vote yes. By calling people names u distance yourself and your stance from them and those sitting on the fence become more likely to vote YES to the move.
Firstly Tony I fully admit I’m from York and perhaps don’t appreciate the local picture. But I’m also not a season ticket holder (and incidentally have no vote so no worry about out-of-towners here) whilst you appear to go to be a regular attendee. That doesn’t stop you being wrong about on-field matters as I pointed out before so why should you be right about off-field ones?
I also suspect that there are a fair number of ’yes’ voters living within Liverpool who would disagree with you.
I also suspect that there are a fair number of ’yes’ voters living within Liverpool who would disagree with you.
so by your logic during the period between the catterick championship sides of the early seventies and the kendall teams of the mid eighties there shouldnt have been any new evertonians.especially when you consider that liverpool were winning everything.i was born in between these two periods.so was my brother, and hundreds of thousands of evertonians.lifelong blues.that argument is such bollocks its not even funny.propoganda,pure and simple
Yet again Tony provokes a steady stream of comments. I am not going to get into the whole issue of the stadium move, as I have done so on this site prevoiusly. Instead I am going to comment on Mr. Marsh?s "article".
It is well written and has some good soundbites, such as...."Then, when you Yes votes are sitting in the half-empty legobox stadium with less atmosphere than the moon, "
I would even say that Tony has made some good points in this article, but Tony, you undo all of your work when you call fellow Evertonians "fools" & "traitors".
Think about it. If someone was sitting on the fence regarding this issue, by calling them such names you will give them a reason to decide to vote Yes. By calling people names you distance yourself and your stance from them and those sitting on the fence become more likely to vote Yes to the move.
It is well written and has some good soundbites, such as...."Then, when you Yes votes are sitting in the half-empty legobox stadium with less atmosphere than the moon, "
I would even say that Tony has made some good points in this article, but Tony, you undo all of your work when you call fellow Evertonians "fools" & "traitors".
Think about it. If someone was sitting on the fence regarding this issue, by calling them such names you will give them a reason to decide to vote Yes. By calling people names you distance yourself and your stance from them and those sitting on the fence become more likely to vote Yes to the move.
Just think vote yes and you can sit in the lego stand and think Thank God Tony Marsh has pissed off for good arghhhh heaven
Maybe I was a a bit foolish myself calling Evertonians fools/>and I apologise for that but I stand by my views on Kirkby.Let me leave you with this thought.Liverpool the city is booming at the moment and everyone wants a slice of the action. The big high street chains,Leaders in the fashion world,Night clubs bars and resteraunts popping up all over the place.New property being built
by all the major developers and the likes of Selfridges waiting to come in to the new parasdise street complex.The whole city is being rejuvenated and the buisness world is falling over its self to get a foothold.The potential is there for all to see
and and plenty of untapped revenue streams for all to share.So WTF are Everton FC doing by going 5 miles in the opposite direction away from town??????.Fantastic move that is especially when trying to get more people interested in your product.You couldnt make it up.Honestly you couldnt.How many of these big hitters are queing up to get in to Knowsley?? erm. />Enough said.
by all the major developers and the likes of Selfridges waiting to come in to the new parasdise street complex.The whole city is being rejuvenated and the buisness world is falling over its self to get a foothold.The potential is there for all to see
and and plenty of untapped revenue streams for all to share.So WTF are Everton FC doing by going 5 miles in the opposite direction away from town??????.Fantastic move that is especially when trying to get more people interested in your product.You couldnt make it up.Honestly you couldnt.How many of these big hitters are queing up to get in to Knowsley?? erm. />Enough said.
If Tony’s opinions have offended you and influenced your ’yes’ vote, you are a traitor to my club. Your vote shouldn’t be sold so cheaply. If you don’t know that at the most 30% of people in this city support the pathetically named "peoples club" and that this will suffer further if we’re not in the city, you are a fool. Don’t you understand that the issue is not how far Kirkby is from Goodison, but how far it is from town? He calls you traitors because you are selling us down the river and all of you liberals are giving it "hey, you should respect his opinion m’kay, we’re all Evertonians ... m’kay." You are diluting the institution that is Everton FC. You might be the kind of person that will follow blindly wherever because you are true to the cause. Good for you. The board will no doubt love you and continue to shaft you until your dying day. If you get your vote you will have taken my blues from me. Like Tony, I feel bitterness towards you. When all of the promises get broken and the dream doesn’t quite come to fruition, well i’ll still have lost my club.
It’s not your club Tommo, it doesn’t just belong to you or me or anyone else. A vote is being held to see how the majority feel, and that will decide it. And what the hells is with your comment about "all you liberals"?
Tony,you are in the minority,as one of the postings stated look around GP its a shit hole we need to move and I personnaly cant wait ....the boards advisors advise th move as our fan base will go up by 20% when we move to new new ground in Kirkby .................... when you look at them lot across the park there is a 10year waiting list for a season ticket and today on the radio if you get a certain credit card you get a free season ticket for EFC .If we want to be in the same league as the big boys we need a big backer which I think will come when the new ground is built and we move in ,we need a new ground which is in the process, and more fans and if the prediction is right it will all come together....I CANT BELIEVE ANYBODY WANTING TO TURN THIS DOWN
Is that offensive? Oops. On this issue I don’t pull punches. It’s important to me, life changing. I don’t believe a lot of you are steeped in royal blue tradition and cannot have your bloodline traced back to the old country. In the mafia, you could never be ’made’. Only ’made’ men should get this vote. Now get the f#ck outa here!
Tommo, I’m not offended by your stupid comment about liberals, just wanted you to explain how political affiliation has anything to do with this topic. And my family have been Evertonians as far back as the club go, living in Liverpool, Kirkby, and Wirral. I think you should stop drinking right about now.
Nice ending line.
Some quality responses. Tony, you seem to think that you are Mr Everton. That everything you say is right and that everyone else talks bollocks.
Well, if you take the time to read every response here, you will notice that EVERY SINGLE PERSON disagrees with at least most of what you say. Not one comment here supports you. Does that not tell you anything? 100% of the responses think you’re article is unmitigated dross. How can you defend your ramblings when even those who agree your ’no’ vote and dislike the style of play are slating you?
Well, if you take the time to read every response here, you will notice that EVERY SINGLE PERSON disagrees with at least most of what you say. Not one comment here supports you. Does that not tell you anything? 100% of the responses think you’re article is unmitigated dross. How can you defend your ramblings when even those who agree your ’no’ vote and dislike the style of play are slating you?
Tony
When you state life long, blue to the core Evertonians will not follow a club they will percieve to have turned its back on them, I dont believe you are right, I know your are
I was brought up in Kirkdale I still meet me mates that I went into the boys pen with 40 odd years ago, however, I am now one of those out of towners you so hate,
I make the three hour drive to GP, so for me, the move - distance wise - is imaterial,
Having said that the I am one hundred percent scouse and I support a scouse team and I want it to stay that way, I have been disgusted with the way our club has tried to manipulate us into buying into this move, how prominent board members - after a year of total silence -have tried to lure us with all the appeal of that twat who does "the buy one, get one free" double glazing advert
I will never vote yes, but much as I dont like it I accept some blues dont understand that view, they never will, these guys believe the are doing the right thing, the horror of moving to kirkby is lost on them, you either get it, or you dont, they dont.
Manure, RS, Spurs, Arsenal were all less impressive than we were this weekend, look at the possitives, our two brave young strikers, Micky’s skill, Joles progress.
I love Cars + nev, but they are what they are, good honest pro’s they will never get you out of you seat - unless they put a certain ex blue into row Z - look how much they cost, you’ll have to add another 20 million to get Ronaldo or Joe Cole, we dont have that, instead of blaiming DM I urge you to concentrate on the possitives, in ten years time you could be looking back on Saturday with a dewy eyed nostalgia
When you state life long, blue to the core Evertonians will not follow a club they will percieve to have turned its back on them, I dont believe you are right, I know your are
I was brought up in Kirkdale I still meet me mates that I went into the boys pen with 40 odd years ago, however, I am now one of those out of towners you so hate,
I make the three hour drive to GP, so for me, the move - distance wise - is imaterial,
Having said that the I am one hundred percent scouse and I support a scouse team and I want it to stay that way, I have been disgusted with the way our club has tried to manipulate us into buying into this move, how prominent board members - after a year of total silence -have tried to lure us with all the appeal of that twat who does "the buy one, get one free" double glazing advert
I will never vote yes, but much as I dont like it I accept some blues dont understand that view, they never will, these guys believe the are doing the right thing, the horror of moving to kirkby is lost on them, you either get it, or you dont, they dont.
Manure, RS, Spurs, Arsenal were all less impressive than we were this weekend, look at the possitives, our two brave young strikers, Micky’s skill, Joles progress.
I love Cars + nev, but they are what they are, good honest pro’s they will never get you out of you seat - unless they put a certain ex blue into row Z - look how much they cost, you’ll have to add another 20 million to get Ronaldo or Joe Cole, we dont have that, instead of blaiming DM I urge you to concentrate on the possitives, in ten years time you could be looking back on Saturday with a dewy eyed nostalgia
Sean Dave gets it and so does Tommo theres 2 for you.Dave I dont hate out of towners mate.I have never said that.I am asking these out of town fans if they know where Kirkby is and have they ever been there.Its not a place to put on of Englands finest football clubs when the city of Liverpool is so vibrant.
Hate doesnt come in to it.Still had nothing from any yes voters who dont live here.
Hate doesnt come in to it.Still had nothing from any yes voters who dont live here.
Tony
wrong choice of word, my appologees
wrong choice of word, my appologees
Tony, two things stick in my mind regarding what you have mentioned in the last week:
We will lose walk up support
People don’t understand the nature of EFC’s fanbase
I couldn’t agree more with these simple facts and what you have said above but I’m afraid you are wasting your time trying to get sense through to the Eileen Roberts’ of this world
I expect a "No" vote and I hope it’s a signal for Kenwright and co to high-tail it out of here. Get somebody in who knows what they’re doing. Christ the club can’t sell pies, beer or shirts properly. If were still playing fucking dour and unprogressive football then Blue Bill and Bully Beef can take Dithering Dave with them. Spurs tomorrow night will tell us a lot about which direction were heading. Let me guess, Carlsey, Neville, Hibbert, Stubbs in again. Jesus wept
We will lose walk up support
People don’t understand the nature of EFC’s fanbase
I couldn’t agree more with these simple facts and what you have said above but I’m afraid you are wasting your time trying to get sense through to the Eileen Roberts’ of this world
I expect a "No" vote and I hope it’s a signal for Kenwright and co to high-tail it out of here. Get somebody in who knows what they’re doing. Christ the club can’t sell pies, beer or shirts properly. If were still playing fucking dour and unprogressive football then Blue Bill and Bully Beef can take Dithering Dave with them. Spurs tomorrow night will tell us a lot about which direction were heading. Let me guess, Carlsey, Neville, Hibbert, Stubbs in again. Jesus wept
The point is. Not the move but where we are moving to. I have stated before that i think there is an underlying motive for this move, one we are not privvy to.
I firmly believe we are being sold down the river by the board and it will all end in tears.
I cannot bring myself to vote yes, simply because it does not feel right.
To surrender the city is tantamount to footballing suicide.
I cannot trust this board, we have been led up the garden path by them once to often.
I firmly believe we are being sold down the river by the board and it will all end in tears.
I cannot bring myself to vote yes, simply because it does not feel right.
To surrender the city is tantamount to footballing suicide.
I cannot trust this board, we have been led up the garden path by them once to often.
Jeez there are some on here who must lead VERY sheltered live - finding it difficult to find a scouser who supports the move, then you haven’t been to Anfield then where I live because all the blues in my family bar one can’t wait for our move to a 50,000 (expandable to 60,000) UEFA 5-star stadium elsewhere in scouseland - obviously (and hilariously) an unwelcome prospect to some ’evertonians’.
Tony, you respond to Sean by saying that 2 people "get it", but I counted I think 32, with a possible duplicate here or there, that disagreed with you. So how does that prove your point that most agree with you?
This board are manipulative,coniving,deceptive,arrogant liars and have been fully exposed by this Kirkby fiasco
Propaganda is fantastic.Dividing honest fans,using present footballers for back up etc.disgracefull.Shut up Moyes,Cahill & co.and you stubbs.This is our club.
All everton fans should be united in one aim and that is to stay and explore all avenues .cos they will appear through patience and trust.Seriously lacking in our boardroom.
The consequences are dire if its a yes.All potential revenue will be lost.Fanbase will decline.Tesco are not giving Everton a penny.,But will gain many pennies if they give Knowsley 50 mill.They get that back in a year selling sausages.
Wyness & ken both stand to gain large lumps of dough too.
The fans.what will we get?.A shed at the end of the lancs.A toy town of factory outletts ,depressed housing schemes.,failed buisness area so sad Liverpool wanted fuck all to do with it they gave it to Knowsley.A place with no soul.
I speak from experience cos i spent 6 yrs growing up there.Its shit and no football stadium will make it better.I wish i felt different about it.Iwish i could see all the pros for the move but it doesnt it actually makes me feel sick .I know its a bad move cos it feels bad .I should be feeling made up but im not.Iblame my board for doing this to me.The fans arguing make it worse.Im not saying no for nothing.Change is coming i know its a must to survive be we dont have to accept the first thing thrown at us do we.
Ive had a look Bill ,cheers mate but have another go please.You missjudged evertonians on this one flella.
Cometh the hour.cometh the Evertonian.
Propaganda is fantastic.Dividing honest fans,using present footballers for back up etc.disgracefull.Shut up Moyes,Cahill & co.and you stubbs.This is our club.
All everton fans should be united in one aim and that is to stay and explore all avenues .cos they will appear through patience and trust.Seriously lacking in our boardroom.
The consequences are dire if its a yes.All potential revenue will be lost.Fanbase will decline.Tesco are not giving Everton a penny.,But will gain many pennies if they give Knowsley 50 mill.They get that back in a year selling sausages.
Wyness & ken both stand to gain large lumps of dough too.
The fans.what will we get?.A shed at the end of the lancs.A toy town of factory outletts ,depressed housing schemes.,failed buisness area so sad Liverpool wanted fuck all to do with it they gave it to Knowsley.A place with no soul.
I speak from experience cos i spent 6 yrs growing up there.Its shit and no football stadium will make it better.I wish i felt different about it.Iwish i could see all the pros for the move but it doesnt it actually makes me feel sick .I know its a bad move cos it feels bad .I should be feeling made up but im not.Iblame my board for doing this to me.The fans arguing make it worse.Im not saying no for nothing.Change is coming i know its a must to survive be we dont have to accept the first thing thrown at us do we.
Ive had a look Bill ,cheers mate but have another go please.You missjudged evertonians on this one flella.
Cometh the hour.cometh the Evertonian.
Tony you hit the nail on the head, everything is won by the ?big 4? now days but here?s the thing, Everton were the last club to win the FA Cup and Everton were the last club to break into the Top 4. So why are you always moaning? we have done better then Spurs and Newcastle etc..
I really don?t understand why you choose to constantly moan about our beloved club.
Two Top 6 finishes in recent years and your moaning like we are still fighting relegation. Sure there are problems but generally Everton are a very good side with many positive things going on.
Thats what annoys me most, I wouldn?t mind critism if you sometimes awknowledged that some things are pretty good. You always use every bit of news to attack Moyes and his team. You never offer any praise.
For example you always moan how the last Euro adventure ended in defeat but you never praise the fact that Everton finished 4th to get into Europe. I mean you must find it amazing, Everton in a Champions League place? Thats fucking awesome, I never thought I would ever see that. Sure we lost the game to the eventual semi-finalists but dont take anything away from getting there in the first place.
You awknowledge what a wonderful player Arteta but never give credit to Moyes for being the genius that brought him to the club for peanuts.
I never hear you praise the fact that we have so many young British players like Lescott, Baines, Jagielka, Johnson, Osman, Hibbert and Vaughan in a league which is becoming increasingly more foreign.
I know I have a tendancy to only see the good things in Everton but that can be explained because I am in love with the club. Its hard to see the bad when you love something so much.
But how can you only see the bad things? How can you only make negative comments? Isn?t that the job of the Liverpool supporters?
Why cant you accept that generally speaking Everton are a very good side now, with two or three top quality players good enough to play for a Big 4 side?
If you offered some praise on the undeniable good things then people would take your critism more seriously. When you just run the club down 24/7 people stop listening because they can see you have some sort of Vendetta.
I really don?t understand why you choose to constantly moan about our beloved club.
Two Top 6 finishes in recent years and your moaning like we are still fighting relegation. Sure there are problems but generally Everton are a very good side with many positive things going on.
Thats what annoys me most, I wouldn?t mind critism if you sometimes awknowledged that some things are pretty good. You always use every bit of news to attack Moyes and his team. You never offer any praise.
For example you always moan how the last Euro adventure ended in defeat but you never praise the fact that Everton finished 4th to get into Europe. I mean you must find it amazing, Everton in a Champions League place? Thats fucking awesome, I never thought I would ever see that. Sure we lost the game to the eventual semi-finalists but dont take anything away from getting there in the first place.
You awknowledge what a wonderful player Arteta but never give credit to Moyes for being the genius that brought him to the club for peanuts.
I never hear you praise the fact that we have so many young British players like Lescott, Baines, Jagielka, Johnson, Osman, Hibbert and Vaughan in a league which is becoming increasingly more foreign.
I know I have a tendancy to only see the good things in Everton but that can be explained because I am in love with the club. Its hard to see the bad when you love something so much.
But how can you only see the bad things? How can you only make negative comments? Isn?t that the job of the Liverpool supporters?
Why cant you accept that generally speaking Everton are a very good side now, with two or three top quality players good enough to play for a Big 4 side?
If you offered some praise on the undeniable good things then people would take your critism more seriously. When you just run the club down 24/7 people stop listening because they can see you have some sort of Vendetta.
Posts like this should be banned. Clearly Mr T Marsh is just trying to stir up shit. Is he upset because Everton won? Does that humble pie taste so bad?
Personally I found the victory over Wigan to be fairly exciting. Not exactly the beautiful game but then watching Liverpool, Man Utd and Arsenal was very much the same and they also had to work hard against lesser sides.
I’d like to see Mr T Marsh’s season ticket because you never hear him talk about an experience at Goodison, I bet he hasn’t been to a game in years.
I respect people’s views but this constant complaining and shit stirring by Mr T Marsh is starting to give me anger me. Anyone giving this much shit to Everton would normally find themselves put on their ass. Luckily there’s very little chance of Mr T Marsh being spotted at Goodison so he’s safe.
Personally I found the victory over Wigan to be fairly exciting. Not exactly the beautiful game but then watching Liverpool, Man Utd and Arsenal was very much the same and they also had to work hard against lesser sides.
I’d like to see Mr T Marsh’s season ticket because you never hear him talk about an experience at Goodison, I bet he hasn’t been to a game in years.
I respect people’s views but this constant complaining and shit stirring by Mr T Marsh is starting to give me anger me. Anyone giving this much shit to Everton would normally find themselves put on their ass. Luckily there’s very little chance of Mr T Marsh being spotted at Goodison so he’s safe.
I see Tony... move into Liverpool because of the regeneration eh? you mean all those shops for the rich, houses/flats for the rich, students housing (transient population) oohhh all that lovely investment but absolutely nowt for the ordinary people of the city of liverpool.. Investment in Kirkby, you know that place don’t ya, the place that doesn’t get investment and won’t attract investment.. What part of the £400m investment by one of the biggest companies in the UK/Europe don’t you get?! Now I know they’re gonna make a buck or two from the investment but since when has that been a crime? But I tell you something else, Kirkby may not be the greatest place on earth to live, but by christ, when the town centre is overhauled and a new football stadium is built and the transport infrastructure is improved, you think the ordinary people of Kirkby won’t have a better place to live and work in? Do you think Tesco want to invest in a wasteland community, do they hell as like, they don’t want a white elephant half empty football stadium or town surrounding their flagship store do they? it’s not in their interests is it.. Everybody profits from the Tesco/Knowsley/Everton partnership.. Take it for what it is, a large company wanting to make a profit but whether it wanted to or not, has to give something back to the host community and by doing so also gives our club a lifeline...
Vote yes for the stadium, the store and the Kirkby community!
Vote yes for the stadium, the store and the Kirkby community!
It’s amazing. One game down and One win (hopefully a second tonight. Already people are criticizing the team and Moyes. Moyes is a good manager. He has done well at a club that has given him little to work with. Granted he made some howlers but every manager does.
Secondly Tony you sir are just a whining fool. My god if you don’t like it don’t support them. Do what the waster Utd supporters and Wimbledon supporters did and create your own team and do what you like.
Thirdly i’m on the fence with regards to the Kirby move. I know we need to get out of Goodison and i think we should try to stay in the city but at the same time its a great offer. Now before you all go on about conspiracies and Tesco using us STOP!! Tesco Terry could goto Kirkby on his own and not bother with Everton at all. I mean Tesco’s reasons really have nothing to do with the club. They are offering to help us out with a brand new stadium and a 99 year lease. Let just get behind our team
Secondly Tony you sir are just a whining fool. My god if you don’t like it don’t support them. Do what the waster Utd supporters and Wimbledon supporters did and create your own team and do what you like.
Thirdly i’m on the fence with regards to the Kirby move. I know we need to get out of Goodison and i think we should try to stay in the city but at the same time its a great offer. Now before you all go on about conspiracies and Tesco using us STOP!! Tesco Terry could goto Kirkby on his own and not bother with Everton at all. I mean Tesco’s reasons really have nothing to do with the club. They are offering to help us out with a brand new stadium and a 99 year lease. Let just get behind our team
Absolute rubbish post, maybe tony should check out the other results this weekend, and the performances, to be honest everton dominated against wigan WITHOUT cahill, vaughan, baines etc. with the exception of man city (only going on highlights admittedly) no one put in a big perfomance this weekend.
Then you jump on the NO bandwagon, using evertons performance as your excuse! God help us if EFC had lost!
As I said, rubbish post from a rubbish poster.
Then you jump on the NO bandwagon, using evertons performance as your excuse! God help us if EFC had lost!
As I said, rubbish post from a rubbish poster.
If you vote yes You don’t get what Tony is trying to say.
All this Tesco can’t get it wrong Leahy is a world class Icon in business etc.
GET REAL.
Tesco have done their homework this will be the biggest supermarket in th UK, it is being built to attract the 4.5Mpeople in the catchement are that Wyness is trying to make us believe will come and watch Everton in their shiny new Box-
Now who should get real.
THe move for me is a no go because it is I believe JUST NOT RIGHT.
The only winners will be Tesco and BK and Lyness.
Tesco have a land bank inside the city but know that Kirkby is the prime location for them to make a killing.
THERE IS NO SUPERMARKET IN THE AREA-THEY ARE NOT DOING THIS FOR EFC AND CERTAINLY NOT BECAUSE THEY WANT TO GIVE US A TOP NOTCH STADIUM.
All indications show that moving away from a city centre is not the way to go.
The club have done a great job once again,
All this Tesco can’t get it wrong Leahy is a world class Icon in business etc.
GET REAL.
Tesco have done their homework this will be the biggest supermarket in th UK, it is being built to attract the 4.5Mpeople in the catchement are that Wyness is trying to make us believe will come and watch Everton in their shiny new Box-
Now who should get real.
THe move for me is a no go because it is I believe JUST NOT RIGHT.
The only winners will be Tesco and BK and Lyness.
Tesco have a land bank inside the city but know that Kirkby is the prime location for them to make a killing.
THERE IS NO SUPERMARKET IN THE AREA-THEY ARE NOT DOING THIS FOR EFC AND CERTAINLY NOT BECAUSE THEY WANT TO GIVE US A TOP NOTCH STADIUM.
All indications show that moving away from a city centre is not the way to go.
The club have done a great job once again,
Tony - you’ve just explained why Everton cannot develope in the city centre - there are too many commercial projects going on already. Everton cannot build a stadium without a commercial strand to the project and such a scheme would meet resistance and ultimately fail due no oversupply in a limited area. Hard nosed developers know this and would not commit the necessary deal to make a move feasible. Come on Tony, you’ve fought a brave battle but surely now you must concede that the tides not only come in, but is washing around your lips.
This is the guy who accused Sir Terence Leahy of "brown envelope" corruption. He has no dignity or authority and must be alienating himself from even his closest "friends". He has stated he will not go to Kirkby or take his kids. He going to be mighty lonely and bored.
Tony,
Even as an out-of towner myself, I get it too. God on ya for apologising for calling other fans traitors, but the fact remains the move to Kirkby is good for Tesco and Sir Terry but not in my opinion for our Club. Why leave the City especially at this time of growth and regeneration? For me it’s about trust, pure and simple. Trust for the current guardians of EFC. When you read Colin Fitz’s piece you get a real sense of the commercial mess we are in, link this to the Board’s record of abject communication and "spin" and it makes me not trust BK and KW to do the right thing for our club.
We all love Everton and have a right to express our heartfelt views at such a critical time, but in a respectful way. (Thanks to Toffeeweb for gving us all this chance) For me though, like yourself, Anthony Newell and a few others a move to Kirkby might just be the thing that breaks a love I hoped and always thought would never die. "If ya know yer ’istory..." why turn your back on it?
Even as an out-of towner myself, I get it too. God on ya for apologising for calling other fans traitors, but the fact remains the move to Kirkby is good for Tesco and Sir Terry but not in my opinion for our Club. Why leave the City especially at this time of growth and regeneration? For me it’s about trust, pure and simple. Trust for the current guardians of EFC. When you read Colin Fitz’s piece you get a real sense of the commercial mess we are in, link this to the Board’s record of abject communication and "spin" and it makes me not trust BK and KW to do the right thing for our club.
We all love Everton and have a right to express our heartfelt views at such a critical time, but in a respectful way. (Thanks to Toffeeweb for gving us all this chance) For me though, like yourself, Anthony Newell and a few others a move to Kirkby might just be the thing that breaks a love I hoped and always thought would never die. "If ya know yer ’istory..." why turn your back on it?
Yes Terry your so right and all coming from a man who gives a childish false Name and has an unhealthy interest along with David Barks in other peoples sex lives. Strange topics for a football web site.
Excellent article Tony apart from the traitor bit,but at least you had the decency to apologise.If anybody is a treacherous Evertonian in my opinion its Leahy.He is knowingly ripping Everton off,all for the great God profit,I read his letter,and to me it was just lies,and propaganda.Joseph Goebels would have been proud of him!This board and Leahy have deliberately split the fans of this great club down the middle and thats unforgiveable.
Why would Terry lie and promote propaganda? Why risk his unsurpassed business reputation? His company’s fortunes do not relay on this project - they already generate a profit of £2.5 billion per year. As he said in his article, Tesco will gain, but so will Knowsley and most of all Everton Football club. So please don’t make stupid comparisons to Joseph Goebels or that EFC are being ripped off when they are clearly gaining from the deal. As to deliberately splitting the fans down the middle .... words fail me.
Yeah, Colin, the whole idea behind the Kirkby proposal was to split the fanbase. Do you listen to yourself when you speak? Why the hell would the board delibrately split the fan base? Surely it would be much easier for them if everybody backed the Kirkby proposal? Give me strength.
Have a look at Marsh’s comments again Colin, he doesn’t apologise for calling certain Evertonian’s traitors, he apologises for calling them fools.
I am sick of reading this bull shit on the site!
If its not people moaning about Kirby, its people moaning about Moyes, if its not that then its people moaning about getting results but through grit instead of flair!
It makes me sick!!
We were fucking Shit under Smith! PROPER SHITE! A JOKE!!!
Now, we are on the verge of Signing one of the most promising Kids in europe. (our own NANI, RONALDO, ROONEY etc)
In a side that has ARTETA! Cahill, Baines, Yobo, Lescott, AJ and possibly Yakubu!
Yet nob ed’s still bitch and moan about how boring we are and how bad it is being a blue!
If your so NIL SATIS-FIED .... then there is tranmere or the red shite!
GO AND POLLUTE THEIR FORUMS!!!!
COME ON YOU BLUES AND GET MANNY !!!!
If its not people moaning about Kirby, its people moaning about Moyes, if its not that then its people moaning about getting results but through grit instead of flair!
It makes me sick!!
We were fucking Shit under Smith! PROPER SHITE! A JOKE!!!
Now, we are on the verge of Signing one of the most promising Kids in europe. (our own NANI, RONALDO, ROONEY etc)
In a side that has ARTETA! Cahill, Baines, Yobo, Lescott, AJ and possibly Yakubu!
Yet nob ed’s still bitch and moan about how boring we are and how bad it is being a blue!
If your so NIL SATIS-FIED .... then there is tranmere or the red shite!
GO AND POLLUTE THEIR FORUMS!!!!
COME ON YOU BLUES AND GET MANNY !!!!
Whilst I don’t agree with most things Tony says, I do agree that it would be an absolute disaster if we upsticks to Kirby.
Nothing against the town or the people, I feel moving towards the city centre should be our aim.
The dwindling of our core support will purely depend on what happens on the pitch, another 40 point season either at GP or Kirkby will test all our resolves.
First things first though, Spurs 1 Everton 3, anyone agree?
Nothing against the town or the people, I feel moving towards the city centre should be our aim.
The dwindling of our core support will purely depend on what happens on the pitch, another 40 point season either at GP or Kirkby will test all our resolves.
First things first though, Spurs 1 Everton 3, anyone agree?
How did you think we played tonight, Mr Marsh?! Was it as awful as the weekend? Time to vote YES??
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