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VIEW FROM THE BLUE

A Tactical Crossroads?

By Lyndon Lloyd :  21/09/2007 :  Comments (56) :

First and foremost, this one ain't over yet.

Yes, the Blues were poor yesterday evening and fell several levels short of the kind of display that is required to progress in European competition.

Yes, it's going to be extremely difficult because Metalist Kharkiv showed that they can certainly move the ball about efficiently when they want to ? and even more worryingly, looked better the more flair they added to their ranks with second half substitutions ? but if Everton can't overcome the likes of the third-placed team in Ukraine over two legs then they don't belong in the group stages of the Uefa Cup.

It's that last bit that worries me, though. I'm not sure we do deserve to be gracing Europe on our current form and if things don't change radically ? and quickly! ? I fear that this is going to be a long and frustrating season.

It always promised to be a tough campaign. We simply don't have the depth of squad, particularly in midfield, to wage battle on what could be four fronts come January... if we haven't been unceremoniously dumped out of two cup competitions by then, that is. Sure, we probably have the numbers but not the reserve of quality we need to absorb the loss of the likes of Cahill, Arteta and, perhaps to a lesser extent ? although we won't really know until he's played a few games ? Gravesen.

If you take off the blue-tinted spectacles and look, firstly, at some key personnel in the Everton squad and, secondly, the tactics with which they go about their task, with a ruthless and impartial eye, the reasons for the Blues' current lack of bite and penetration are blindingly obvious.

Phil Neville may be versatile but a full-time, first choice central midfielder he is not. He wasn't at Manchester United, has never been for England and shouldn't be for Everton. The fact that he has regularly been employed there by David Moyes ? despite having proven time and again, at least to these eyes, that right back is his best position ?has mainly been down to a lack of alternatives.

He is an acceptable, temporary, choice as the holding man alongside a more dynamic and attacking central midfielder but when partnered with Lee Carsley and expected to act as playmaker he really has been found wanting on more occasions than just the games this season that have prompted a growing clamour for him to be removed from the engine room of the team.

The truth is that his distribution can be very poor, he lacks vision and is prone to errors in what is a very risky area of the field. [The exception was at Tottenham where he put in a level of performance unseen either before or since.] It may sound harsh but there comes a time when reality bites ? Neville is just not cut out for the role he is being asked to play this season. His best position is right full back where Tony Hibbert is battling through a prolonged crisis of form that is, unfortunately, turning him into a liabiity in the back four.

Carsley is arguably a better choice for a consistent defensive midfield berth if he has a more creative force alongside him. While age may be starting to catch up with him and there's less from him these days in the final third in terms of goals and assists, he still tends to be noticeable in his absence from the point of view of a need for someone to break up the opposition's flow.

If it wasn't already established at the Madejski Stadium earlier in the campaign, it certainly was last night: the end has surely come for the Neville-Carsley axis in central midfield. And with Carsley unlikely to be a permanent fixture in the team, his successor should really be groomed now rather than waiting until next summer.

Phil Jagielka may not have set the world on fire since he arrived from Sheffield United but, honestly, he was never really expected to. Another important utility man, he was signed because can play in a number of positions and has, on balance, done enough to suggest that he is more capable as a creative or attacking force in midfield than Neville. He has perhaps been unfortunate to have been thrown in when the Blues have been chasing the game (or, in the case of the Kharkiv game, desperately chasing the lead) and hasn't had the chance to settle.

All of which serves to underline the fact that Everton are now a team playing in Europe with aspirations of breaking into the top four but have at their heart a central midfield several shades short of that level.

Of course, that was never supposed to be the plan. Tim Cahill was expected to be fit to provide some attacking threat from midfield and Manuel Fernandes was supposed to sign for a club record £12m to provide the much-needed flair. And when that fell through, Gravesen was supposed to be the stop-gap between now and... well, I was going to say January but Everton have been notoriously impotent or just plain reluctant in previous winter transfer windows so forgive me if I don't hold out hope for the answer to our prayers waltzing into Goodison in four months' time. Injury has thus far limited the Dane to just a 20-minute cameo but he has, probably a little unexpectedly, become the fans' hero-in-waiting.

What the Fernandes fiasco crystallized, however, was yet more faIlings in the summer transfer market and, this time at least, it seems that the fault lies more at boardroom level than with the manager. Moyes has made it clear that he prefers to make his close-season signings early so that his new players have the maximum time to gel with the rest of the squad. CEO Keith Wyness, however ? to be fair, it's a tactic that predates his tenure as well ? prefers to delay signing players as long as possible to avoid, as one Goodison official is reputed to have said, "paying players to sit on a beach."

Such frugality is what led to Fernandes spending the summer with Benfica and then Everton trying to shoe-horn complex negotiations with the Portguguese international's third-party owners and the Football Assocation (over that very same third-party owenership) into the final two to three weeks of the transfer window. When Benfica received a bigger cash offer from Valencia and Fernandes left for Spain, Everton had no time in which to secure the services of a player of comparable quality. The result was a loan move for Gravesen which, given the recent injuries to Mikel Arteta and Steven Pienaar, would probably have been a good move either way.

What is most frustrating now that the so-called "prophets of doom" are seeing some of their fears being realised is that this incremental team-building is happening at such a slow pace. The Blues always seem to be a couple steps from having a squad that has enough quality from back to front to have a crack at emulating that amazing fourth-placed finish of 2005.

Up until the beginning of August when £20m+ suddenly materialised out of nowhere, and Everton were on the verge of being catapulted from the team to have spent the least on transfers than any other Premiership club this past summer to being the one of the biggest spenders, it was always a question of money. Now that the funds seemed to have been in place to finally compete with our peer clubs, an massive opportunity to complete the puzzle was missed.

Many fans point out the obvious progress made under Moyes and, quite correctly, highlight the fact that we have arguably the best group of players on our books since the 1987 Championship-winning side. But at some point, the gains made earlier in the manager's tenure ? the Cahills, the Yobos, the Artetas, and the Johnsons, for example ? are going to be wiped out if Moyes doesn't reach a stage in that squad construction where his team are not only qualifying for Europe year in, year out but also progressing in Continental competition and playing a sufficiently high standard of football to keep the fans engaged and those star players happy.

How long, for example, will those highly-prized players wait around for a good run in Europe, for a domestic trophy, for qualification to the Champions League proper? Every season that slips by under the apparent policy of "making do" is another year added to those players' contracts.

Perhaps most annoying of all is the fact that this current team has shown on more than one occasion that when everything comes together they can be a devastatingly effective attacking side that can move the ball quickly and brilliantly. That win at Spurs ? and, indeed, the one the year before that ? was a case in point. But whether it was because Martin Jol's team just opened up and allowed themselves to be mauled by what was, on paper, an inferior midfield or whether Everton are just by their very nature maddeningly inconsistent, that display was an exception to an increasingly worrying pattern.

Because when the Blues do come up against a well-disciplined side with a well-organised and physical back line, they simply don't seem to know how to break the opposition down. As has been pointed out many times by neutral observers, Moyes's side lacks natural width and that has been a feature of his tenure at Goodison.

And yet the times when they have made full use of the flanks and operated over-lapping fullbacks getting to the byline have been when they have looked so dangerous. Neville's raids down the touchline and service to Johnson last season readily comes to mind, as do the glimpses at what Leighton Baines is capable of on the opposite flank so far this season.

But against Kharkiv last night, neither fullback advanced much beyond half-way into the opposition half and when the chips were down and they had a two-man advantage, the Blues still insisted on belting balls straight down the middle rather than pulling the Ukrainians across the pitch with intelligent wing play and getting balls in from behind the defence for the forwards, makeshift and recognised alike, to attack. Unfortunately, it's a tactic that has been plagueing Everton for too long now and it needs addressing.

Time may prove those slating Andy Johnson and Yakubu right but to be fair to both, they're spending most of their time trapping hoofed balls near the touchline in midfield. Against Kharkiv, by the time theyd? laid it off and tried scrambling into a more forward position, one of Neville, Hibbert or McFadden had invariably passed it backwards or lost it.

Count the number of clear-cut chances either forward had to put the ball in the net last night and you'd be hard-pressed to come up with more than the four for Johnson ? three spot kicks and a tap in after the whistle had gone at the end.

I?m conflicted by the fact that Victor Anichebe, despite sharing Yakubu?s physique, somehow looks more effective than the Nigerian with his back to goal or with defenders at close quarters but, fundamentally, strikers need service to score goals. AJ screwed up royally under pressure from 12 yards yesterday but I?m willing to bet you?d need less than 10 fingers to count the number of clear chances he?s had to score so far this season.

The return leg is in a fortnight's time and both Arteta and Gravesen could be fit for that. The introduction of those two, together with an available Pienaar on the bench, should make a big difference ? indeed, our Uefa Cup hopes likely rest on their flair and their experience. Perhaps for that reason alone, the Blues can go to Kharkov in optimistic mood that they can grab an early goal and transform the nature of the tie.

But it's going to take more than the introduction of a couple of talented players to fundamentally alter Everton's wider destiny. If this season is going to be more than a struggle against our own deficiencies then it's going to take some soul-searching on the part of the management over tactics. And if it's going to be more than a battle with injuries and fixture pile-ups, Moyes may have to break his own mould and undertake some wise investment in the transfer market in January.

The long-suffering fans who supported the boys into the Europe last season and have now endured two Uefa Cup fiascos deserve it.

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sam morrison
1   Posted 21/09/2007 at 07:30:01

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Some valid points there Lyndon, but I have to disagree about the full-backs not getting forward last night. Though he did his patented ’three terrible passes’ Hibbert was actually one of our most effective players, certainly defensively, and was constantly trying to support Osman on the right.

We are agreed that Anichebe made a massive difference however. It’s early days but I’d hope for a better display from Yakubu considering he came for European football.
John Holmes
2   Posted 21/09/2007 at 08:09:28

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Sorry Sam but I think you must have been watching a diffrent match. Hibbert was rarely far enough forward to make a difference and gave the ball away or passed backwards every time he was confronted by a yellow shirt.

Lyndon’s hit every nail squarely there.
Gavin Ramejkis
3   Posted 21/09/2007 at 08:05:55

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I’ve been saying for a few seasons now that Everton go missing or hopeless when it really counts, is hoofball a tactic deployed as we simply have fewer players than I could count on one hand or finger for that matter that can take on a marker and actually go past them? Watch any game and count how many times any player goes around or through a player against the amount of times we simply hoof the ball forward to a small striker in some desperate hope he can beat a six footer for the header and then run past him. Pathetic style on display most games when style and ability are what football is all about.
Neil Millichip
4   Posted 21/09/2007 at 08:03:20

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I agree with your points Lyndon. Our passing was shocking at times, but when you have the likes of Hibbert, Carlsley and Neville in the side that’s always going to be the case. They are all grafters but lack a creative side to their game. We won’t beat many teams by aimlessly hoofing the ball up the park. Andy Johnson and Yakubu need better quality service if we are going to see the best of them. The sad fact is Everton rely on Arteta for their creativity, a fact Moyes has to address in January.
Ian Mulllin
5   Posted 21/09/2007 at 08:19:19

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I dont know wether you were watching a different game to me last night, but it was glaringly obvious after 15 minutes that our tactics were totally wrong. They were swamping the midfield and as much as they looked very poor, we made them look quite good. I have always backed Moyes and will continue to do because I do believe he has worked wonders at Everton but tactically he can be a nightmare, never changing it till its too late. Was I the only one that could see that we just didnt look right under these tactics. When we went 1-0 up we should have reverted to a 4-4-2 and I can almost bet we would have scored more and they would have looked exactly what they were ---- porr.
Still on a positive I think we will go over there and win !!!
Everton forever !!!!
Ray
6   Posted 21/09/2007 at 08:21:22

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Everton still play far too much long ball football and whilst I can see your trying to be optomistic about Arteta and Gravesen coming back I just cant see how Everton can turn this around..We are not playing well at all and seem completely one dimensional in the way we play..When is the last time we had a midfielder actually get to the byline so that AJ doesnt have to do all the horsework and chasing around?. As much as I dont like to admit it we should have got Pennant regardless of his stupid antics. Everton F.C has not seen two decent wide players since the days of Limpar and Kanchelskis and thats far too long ago.. Johnson will struggle to score this season whilst we play like this chipping balls to corner flags and practically saying to him chase that..Henry would struggle for goals in our team..We need to get the ball down, Arteta needs to get back in the team, get back on the number and we need him in there with Gravesen..Never mind Pienaar on the bench, bloody start him..Its not as though Osman has been out of this world lately..Put Jagielka right back where he played at Bolton and decide on leaving one of Neville or Carsley out. We cant keep starting with two defensive midfielders at home. Changes are drastically needed to avoid another dissapointing early cup exit..As I have said this is Moyes team now, its his brand of football with his signings and only the ones left of Smiths are through Moyes choice..Moyes has spent his money and has been here five years so that reason cant be brought up anymore..We have to see better football played and we need to look far more dangerous going forward because right now we look pedestrian and basically Kharkiv looked better than us..We need improvements fast.
Darren Lyons
7   Posted 21/09/2007 at 08:18:27

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1st of all i had a bad seat in the main stand last night i am a season ticket holder in the lower glad but left it too late to buy a ticket. but appart from numerous posts across the pitch i could actually see the game really good. the main point i got from this seat is that hibbert is a liability his positioning is awful his marking is awful he always seems to miss the runners he has got to go put neville there and give someone else a go even that kid vidarsson seems to be banging them in for fun from midfield in the reserves but PLEASE drop hibbert.
Lue Glover
8   Posted 21/09/2007 at 08:34:38

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I agree with all of your points and we are simply not good enough to win important games like this. The excuse that we were hit by injuries can’t be held up in defence of such a poor showing because the whole point of having a bigger squad, aiming for Europe etc is that injuries can be absorbed without a dramatic effect on our form.
I won’t decend into bashing DM but once again I question the defensive nature of our midfield. This was a game where we needed to score goals, as many as possible and Nev and Cars in midfield just can’t deliver that service. Someone pointed out a few days ago that I know nothing about football because I suggested that being able to pass the ball to another player in a Blue shirt was not only fundamental to the game but also made the game more enjoyable to watch. Passing the ball to another team mate? Now that’s a novel idea. The opposition last night were far far better at it than we were.
Hey ho, yet another smack in the mouth for the long suffering fans and don’t even start me on the ticketing fiasco!
Brian Mills
9   Posted 21/09/2007 at 08:37:57

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Lyndon has it spot on. Hibbert, Nevill and Carsley in the same team is a liability. They cannot pass to a blue shirt hence the ball keeps coming back at us. Why replace Yakubu with Victor when the obvious problem was not giving the strikers the service in the first place!! No creativity, or alternative midfield tactics other than hoof the ball forward to JOhnson and Yakubu, who aren’t too clever in the air. I aiways said that Beattie was unfortunate as he didn’t fit into Moyes tactics(whatever they are!!). Beatts scored all those goals for Southampton going forward with the ball and running at people. Not as a target man with his back to goal, as Moyes played him. Cue his goals for the Blades this season!!! He hasn’t suddenly become good overnight. Why didn’t Moyes sign Fernandes immediately the season finished when he was available at a slightly cheaper price and no-one else wanted him. Dithering Davey strikes again!
Chris Riley
10   Posted 21/09/2007 at 08:59:12

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Hibbert was poor last night. What do we expect though? he is hardley impressive when we have 4 in midfield and he always has a pass on.

There is an old saying that a game is won and lost in midfield, and i am afraid we threw this game away (and possibily the tie) with our tactics (we meaning Moyes of course), it was plain to see to every one that it was not working 4-3-3 was not working! Not to worry Moyes will change it at half time? Well we all know he did not. They had a 6 man midfield, we had 3 in ours. Do the maths Davey boy, even world beaters would have struggled, but with the likes of neville and carsley in there what chance was there?

IF the service to the front men started aimless long and high, it became even more aimless even longer and even higher after we scored, and decided enough was enough job done! how many times do we have to pay the price for sitting back against lesser opposition? why dont we continue to press when 1-0 up? I cant understand it, if any one can explain this to me i will be very surprised.

Not good enough Moyes not good enough!
Pat Whitmore
11   Posted 21/09/2007 at 09:20:07

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Hibbert,Carsley,Neville(please Sam make a bid)
We are found lacking as usual and it is painful. I work in Birmingham and will no doubt be suffering monday morning after our visit to the Villa. I fear a long hard season is upon us.
moyes has shown again that tactically he isn’t good enough and that our squad simply has know depth.
James Elworthy
12   Posted 21/09/2007 at 09:29:21

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The tactics last night were absymal. If I was an opposition manager I would be happy to see Hibbert get the ball as often as he did last night, there were huge chunks of space in front of him as we had no wide players but he continued to pump the ball forward or direct to an opponent.
Yakubu does not appear to leave the ground when he goes up for headers.
Defensively I thought Lescott had a poor game.
With minutes remaining against 9 men with one sub still avaiable to come in and the bench containing a young striker Justiewiz and a young midfielder with an eye for goals in the reserves Vidarrson, Moyses throws a defender forward instead
Steven Murdoch
13   Posted 21/09/2007 at 09:17:25

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Last night was an absolute waste of time! Having spent 45 minutes waiting for a ticket which was ordered 2 weeks ago, I had to sit and watch a totally inept display of inept football and inept tactics.
Everton will lose this tie and our european cup run will end even more prematurely then the last debacle.....after all the promises of a better run and more successful campaign have been banded around various news feeds!
At least we will get into the ground on time for the away leg so we can watch our beloved team crash out in keeping with our previous european outing!
Sort it out DM!!!
greg galbraith
14   Posted 21/09/2007 at 08:57:08

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In my opinion the stage was set for a disapointing night from the team that was picked. we played 4-3-3, a tactic we have never played before in the most important game of the year for 65 minutes and it never looked like woking. we relied on long balls, which does not suit the strikers that we had out on the pitch (but it seems like johnson is getting the scapegoat treatment). If the tactics were to play the long ball, then pick the team to play that way, i’e start anichebe. Another point, yes Hibbert was poor again but the full backs could not overlap, because there was nobody to overlap as he played 3 narrow midfielders. Neville and carsley did not want to carry the ball from the back four etc. it was a nieve tactic against 2 6’5 centre backs. i dont profess to be capable of management, but common sense must prevail.
ian kemble
15   Posted 21/09/2007 at 09:00:29

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the simple fact is that our football is to predictable and poor with no creativity at all phil nevilles passing is terribe which results in us losing posession and shouldn’t be anywhere near our midfield (RB) or cover for (LB)would be best for him, the long ball up to yakubu is not affective or pretty to watch either he looks lazy or unfit at times (jury’s out for me)without wanting to slag moyes cos i think he has turned the club around his tactics and style of play are not good enough at times, we defo need to sign 2 or 3 quality midfielders to move our club forward, in the meen time we wait for arteta,graveson and cahill to come back asap but carsley and neville should not start a game together in midfield again if we’re short why not put neville LB and baines in CM as he looks a more energetic and creative option to me
Billy Cardwell
16   Posted 21/09/2007 at 09:38:02

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I firmly believe that the change in formation to 433 was the more significant factor in last nights sorry performance.

This obviously confused the players and is probably the root of some of the more disappointing performances delivered by some !
Whilst Moyes had injuries to deal with surely we should have kept a tried and tested shape - messing around with the shape like that is something that obviously needs to be worked on a lot more on the trg ground and then tested on the likes of Sheffield Wednesday in the Mickey Mouse Cup not just something thrown onto the pitch on arguably one of the most important games that we have been involved in for years. We have got it all to do now - lets hope we get some quality back off the physio department quick and that Moyes has a good look at the DVD of the match and realises what an arse he made of that one !
John Allison
17   Posted 21/09/2007 at 10:09:51

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Has anyone spoke about the contribution that our super (£11M)signing made ? He was non existent (as he was against Man U)
Ray
18   Posted 21/09/2007 at 10:01:50

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I have to say now though that the next three games are going to be so crucial in shaping up our season..We cannot afford to lose the next two matches thats for sure because while people call the Carling Cup Mickey Mouse it does represent our only chance of silverwear..We were never going to be good enough to win the UEFA cup lets stop kidding ourselves..Could you imagine Everton the way we play against someone like Sampdoria or Athletico Madrid?. I mean come on. We just dont play a continental game if anything our style of play is stuck in the 60s and the game has moved on now..You cant just keep banging the ball to the heads of strikers all the time and then come out and say oh well we played well and we were unlucky..We have no pattern or pace to our attacks and thats why I was so surprised by the first goal we got at Bolton recently..It was so un-Everton if you like. A simple enough goal on the eye and one that most Premiership teams score regularly but not the way it usually happens at Everton..We feed of scraps most of the time and of course set pieces. If we go out the League cup at Sheff Weds then we will be at a point of minor crisis especially if we lose as is expected against Villa..I said this UEFA cup experience would either make or break Everton, at the minute it looks like we are slipping up performance wise without a doubt.
stephen jones
19   Posted 21/09/2007 at 09:06:08

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Lyndon spot on ,everything you said is what me and my mate thought last night after the game.remember the Blackburn game a few weeks ago ? midfield duo of Carsley & Neville totally overrun by Blackburns midfield and yet Moyes does not seem to learn from his mistakes as these 2 should never be paired in the middle of the park ever again.

They do not have a creative bone in their body between them and are at best squad players although the way hibbert is struggling we could put Neville right back and give hibbo a break as this is the worst i have seen him play for us maybe the illness from last year is still affecting him ?.

Also on Neville is it just me ? but in my opinion he is vastly overrated both on his playing ability and as club captain , he talks a great game of the pitch !! but on it !!.

Finally i have great concerns for the rest of the season as the squad as we all know is short not just on numbers but also quality and god forbid if we are dumped out of the EUFA cup again what reaction will we get again from the players as last time it took until Xmas to get the 5-1 defeat in Romania out of our system and i can see this happening again ( HOPE I AM WRONG )

nil satis nisi optimum

Benny Blueboy Jones
Paul Foster
20   Posted 21/09/2007 at 09:56:23

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as much as i agree with a lot of the comments being made here, would we all be so negative had AJ put away the 2 penalites? I don’t think so. At then end of the day with penalties alone that would make it at least a 3 - 1 lead and all would be looking rosey. It can not be denied that Hibbert in particular was poor as was a lot of the long desperate ball football but we had to done enough to take the game and be going to the 2nd leg with a comfortable lead.
James Stafford
21   Posted 21/09/2007 at 10:07:46

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Moyes is out of his depth on the european stage Metalist were average at best, if we had remained patient with a 4-4-2 system and some width on the flanks we would have taken a comfortable lead over to ukraine as usual we do things the hard way.
Some things never change at goodison.
Steven Murdoch
22   Posted 21/09/2007 at 10:18:08

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Paul..yes I would still be negative. We let ourselves get outplayed by relative european unknowns, and in the unlikely event we scrape through to the group stages, the opposition will be of a much higher calibre. Its not the result that grips me, it the lack of ideas. Its the lack of skill. Its the lack of tactics. Its poor team selection and formation. These are the facts.
No matter what happens I will always love my club, I will always support them and pay my hard earned money to watch them. I just think we could and should do so much better!!!
Nick D
23   Posted 21/09/2007 at 10:33:02

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When I saw the team I first thought "wow three up front" but this was then tempered with the dynamic duo of Carsley and Neville in the middle. It was obvious that the system needed the fullbacks to get forward to provide the width and that Osman was going to be the Spanish Wizard mark 2. Unfortunately this did not happen. The ball was so slow getting forward with very little movement off the ball it was almost painful to watch. Hibbert’s distribution has been talked about so much on these pages I’m not going to bother (it was the same as always yesterday) but I thought that Baines looked dangerous going forward and was easily our best defender (goal for Lescott not permitting).
Despite everything we still should’ve won the game esp. with the penalties and I just feel really sorry for Johnson (big question: do you drop him or keep him in the team - I’d keep him in for a bit longer myself). This game did show up the huge dearth of creativity we have and without wingers/ decent attacking fullbacks on both sides, how are we meant to score goals?
Brendan Fox
24   Posted 21/09/2007 at 10:17:06

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The performance last night was easily the most inept performance I have ever seen. No joke you could go down to your local park on a Saturday/Sunday and watch two more cohesive teams. I am usually a fan of what Moyes has done for the club but I will not be travelling up from London too often this season to watch tripe like that. When will DM realise that when you are playing at home regardless of the team you play against you should set out your team with purpose and play to your strengths, a UEFA Cup 1st round is not the time you should start experimenting with the bloody formation!

Next topic for me to have a good moan about is team selection. Why the fuck does DM insist on playing 6 defensive minded players? Phil Neville is so ineffective in the middle of the park but Moyes won’t drop him because he is his Captain Marvel! How many times did Neville recieve the ball last night to either hoof it aimlessly upfield or pass backwards with an acre of the pitch to run into? Tony Hibbert was also guilty of this. If you have 20-30 yards to run into then fucking run into it this alone will draw defenders to the man and create so space for someone to run into? If your going to experiment with your formation on such an important night why didn’t any of the younsters get a look in? The likes of Morrison,Vidarsson,Kissock have got to be a better alternative than a midfield of Carsley,Neville,Osman. For some unknown reason when Everton play good sides we can on most occasions in the last couple of seasons hold our own or beat them but playing lesser teams there is an inept ability to put these teams to the sword.
What happens if for the next leg the likes of Arteta,Graveson& Pienarr aren’t available? Does Moyes hope or think the current bunch of players will come good and just scrape home? I for one would prefer to give the youngsters a good go at Metalist who were at best a Championship level side. If we go for broke with the right personnel on the pitch we should absolutely wallop Metalist especially with two of their better defenders ineligble for the next leg. NIL SATIS NISI OPTIMUM!
Eddie Harrison
25   Posted 21/09/2007 at 11:17:05

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My only highlight was when a Metalist player was time wasting through feigning an injury and McFadden literally picked him up and put him on the sidelines
Lue Glover
26   Posted 21/09/2007 at 11:33:00

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Paul, even if we had won 3-1, yes of course I would be grumbling slightly less as the away tie would not look so daunting but the point I’ve tried to make along with many others is that the style of football we play is quite frankly CRAP, it doesnt suit our forwards (god knows they can’t be described as strikers) and they are startved of any real opportunities to have attempts on goal because there is no service from the midfield. It’s bloody FOOTBALL - the clue is in the name, it’s not ’hoof-it-into-the-air-and-hope-for-the-best ball.


Last night was one of our worst displays, I can’t bring myself to watch the recorded version, I’ve been punished enough for my sins already.
Being a Blue is like being wed to an abusive husband, one day it’s all sweetness and light, (Spurs, Bolton) then last night he comes home pissed and gives you a black eye! Still, we don’t care what the RS say.........do we?
Steve Syder
27   Posted 21/09/2007 at 12:00:46

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It was gutless and guileless.

An absolute disgrace, and we, the fans, were badly let down.

I seriously question Moyes’s ability to manage at this level. Did we have a tactic? If we did, I missed it.

I am deeply embarrassed today after that utterly inept showing last night.
Si Harwood
28   Posted 21/09/2007 at 12:16:52

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I take on boared the injuries we had for the match, but all in all we were poor. AJ & Yak were basically taken out of the game by Moyes with his random and totally alien 4-2-1-3 or was it 4-3-3....we had no balance or shape and even though Baines, Klingon and Yobo moved the ball well at the back as soon as it needed to move forward it was long balls to the front, which as usual fell to the opposition. We were screaming out for someone to get the ball in the middle and pick passes, Neville - sorry mate you are no CM. Long balls humped in to a crowded box for a AJ and Yak is no good at Conference level let alone in Europe. Osman huffed and puffed but was ineffective in his "roam the pitch and hope to get the ball" role. McFadden is left footed, yet was always on the right hand side? Yak & AJ, no service = no goals. Baines, Yobo & Lescott did well and BIG VIC showed a little more up front, but I personally would have set up 4-4-2

Wessels
Neville, Yobo, Lescott, Baines
Osman, Carsley, Jags, McFadden
Yak, AJ

BIG improvements needed, change of tactics and personel v Villa!
Neil Pearse
29   Posted 21/09/2007 at 12:20:38

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I think Moyes actually panicked, abandoned (some) of his usual instincts, and went to 4-3-3. And it was never going to work. Yakubu was playing on the left wing some of the time. God knows where McFadden was playing.

In his interview, Moyes said he had little choice but to field this team in this formation because of the injuries. No! For example, he could have stuck with 4-4-2 and shown some creativity and put Baines left mid with Valente behind him. That’s where Baines was playing for the first half anyway, because there was so much space in front of him.

By the way, I would like to put a word in (again) for AJ. He did more than McFadden and Yakubu on the night, and on the penalties, others (Moyes, Neville, McFadden, Baines) should have made sure he didn’t take them. He was being the stand-up guy in taking them.

AJ is a good player, and part of Everton’s future. Hibbert, Neville, McFadden and Osman are at best squad players or subs (or sources of cash from selling them).
Joe Rourke
30   Posted 21/09/2007 at 12:23:18

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Hang on here a minute and think about this - Gravesen, Cahill, Arteta, Pienaar were all out (thats 4 creative players)...Yakubu and Osman were anonymous and McFadden little better...this meant Johnson was carrying the whole attacking aspirations of the team...a pressure which showed when he ballooned the 2nd penalty...I think I saw Roberto Biaggio (and Franco Baresi) and do something similar after being the single bright spark in a long world cup final in ’94...

Yes it was guileless...and almost soul destroying...we resorted to hoofball far too much and had no shape or creative ability to our midfield going forward...but how many options did Moyes have? Shandy Andy? Vidarsson?...if we went to 4-5-1 say with Jags in for Yakubu would Moyes not be accused of being overly cautious and negative? and maybe boo-ed again like Spurs last year...

Look there is a second leg and we should have most of the regular 1st team availible for it...this isn’t mission impossible to win...it’s not like we are 5-1 down like last time!!!
tony gee
31   Posted 21/09/2007 at 13:06:13

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now the dust has settled, i must say this...

tony hibbert is utter poo...in his defence though, its the cluless ginger oaf that picks him...

osman is always out on his arse after 60 mins whenever he starts for us...

if Phill neville was at good as passing as he was at clapping then we would be a far better team...

you got 3 games ginger arse to save yer job..!
Chris
32   Posted 21/09/2007 at 13:03:57

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the peformance last night was painful, injuries or not, what excause is that for the poor peformacnes of Hibbert, Carsley, Neville, Johnson, and Yak??? none what so ever. Blame moyes all you want but these players didnt do it. We let them dominate midfield. That is why we are going to be knocked out at the 1st round of a cup comp for the 5th season in a row. I will blame Moyes however if he continues to play Hibbert.



John McKie
33   Posted 21/09/2007 at 13:07:30

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I know hindsight is a wonderful thing and I understand that Moyes was severly limited with his team selection due to unforseeable injuries, but, thats what football is all about!!!

You rely on your manager to be able to pick the best team possible or motivate his players to go out on the pitch and get the result. I am not going to slag Moyes off, I am a great admirer and will be forever grateful for the way he has turned our club around. But sometimes he does baffle me.

Why can everyone else see that Hibberts form is awful at the moment but Moyes cant? Hibbert is one probably the worst distributor of the ball in the senior squad and our "Captain", Phil Neville is a close second. I hate that pathetic chip ball Hibbert does throughout the game. A little dink down the line towards AJ who just gets mauled by 6ft defenders in the hope of winning a throw in. he has now adventure and no invention and quite frankly is not good enough for European football, despite his defensive capabilities.

My Team for last night, given the injuries would have been...

Wessels

Neville Yobo Stubbs Lescott

Osman Jagielka Carsley McFadden

Johnson Yakubu

Although, I have to say... The Yak aint looking great at the moment. I understand he is goalscorer... and not much more. But when your team lacks quality, initiative or creativity due to injuries, you have to work ten times harder, fight for every ball, chase balls down, fight for headers etc. The Yak doesnt seem interested in that. But its early days so I will reserve my judgement on him for the time being.

On a positive note... Young Vic!!! What a quality young lad we have got there. He is like a bull dozer. He gave their 9ft plus defender a torrid time when he came on and really changed the game. I love his (and Vaughan’ies) attitudes, they simply give defenders no respect and go out give 100% and earn their place.

We have left ourselves an uphill task now... I am not overly confident but with Arteta, Tommy Grav and Pinny back for the next leg, we have a chance. We simply cannot conceed under any circumstance and must grab two early goals to ease the pressure.

In any event, regardless of injuries and team selection, substitutions and tactics... fact remains, we should be beating a 3rd place Ukranian side comfortably and we embarrassed ourselves on TV yet again.

If some of the players wanted it as much as us fans do, we would win the UEFA CUP... on yesterdays form... Ghana’s womens world cup team would give us a game.
ray
34   Posted 21/09/2007 at 13:15:28

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When Jags came on against Blackburn I was impressed by the way he ran back to Howard and took the ball from him, turned and carried it forward, hoping to start and attack with the ball on the floor. He should be in centre midfield, not Neville, who should replace the struggling Hibbert at right back. Last nights performance was so bloody depressing, the last time I felt that sick driving home was after the Sheff Wed match when we lost 1-3 in 97-98 and we were all convinced that we were doomed to relegation. Now, I’m pissed off that we may be out of Europe at the first attempt.Again. I don’t know whether that shows how far we’ve come but I know which feeling I prefer.
Dawson Boyle
35   Posted 21/09/2007 at 13:36:32

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I think we were unlucky
ray
36   Posted 21/09/2007 at 13:43:46

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Dawson, you’re right. We saw the whole match.
ray
37   Posted 21/09/2007 at 13:44:52

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ps. what happened to that Magpie?
John McKie
38   Posted 21/09/2007 at 13:50:21

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The Magpie came on to add some creativity into the midfield. Even he got fed up with HIbbert and Neville and fucked off to collect some silver.
Peter Carpenter
39   Posted 21/09/2007 at 12:43:04

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Shambles all round. From the ticket fiasco (didn’t they know how many people were coming?)and the delayed kick-off, the snack-bars running out of everything (perhaps it all got scoffed during the 25 minute delay by bored/greedy fans), the pa announcer who can’t say even the Everton names properly (and seemed to be laughing at those funny foreigners just before they equalised), the tactics, the incredible Carsley-Neville midfield engine room, and that’s all before the 3-pen, 2 red card, late-equaliser finale.
Oh dear, we should have been fore-warned by the notices on the bars about no alcohol sales referring to the EUFA cup! Not really used to this Europe stuff are we?
Aside from the amateurish off-the-field problems, it seems to come down to Moyes. OK he had injury problems but did he not think it would be a good idea to put a slightly more creative player alongside one of Carsley or Neville? And isn’t Jagielka a more progressive option than either of them? And if we’ve got to go with Carsley/Neville wouldn’t 4-4-2 have been better given that continental teams tend to play more of a short-passing, possession-based game than we are used to? For significant parts of the match McFadden, Yakubu and Johnson stood lined up around halfway watching as worrying gaps appeared behind them. (What was the shot count? I bet it was roughly even.) Was Moyes thinking that 4-3-3 and an open attacking game played at high tempo would blow them away in the way a premier league team would usually do to a 4th division(sorry, what’s it called now?) team in the FA cup?
I’ve always been a supporter of David Moyes, he’s honest, has brought stability (5 years with the same manager has benefitted Everton) he’s generally created good teams and made more good buys than bad, but...
Can he step up a level and get his hard-working, basically functional teams to play with the flair that will succeed just a little bit in Europe and at least seriously challenge if not beat the top 4?For me the most worrying thing is Moyes and his strikers. Which players have flourished and actually improved under DM? Defenders? Yes, Yobo, Lescott, Weir, Stubbs. Midfield? Arteta, Cahill, Osman, Gravesen (last time round). Strikers?... Radzinski did well for a while before his head got too big, so, briefly, did the functional, hard-working (oh no, those words again!) McBride. But Rooney jumped ship at the first opportunity, Beattie, top premiership goalscorer 2003 believe it or not, deteriorated rapidly, Johnson is showing worryingly similar signs. Yes, we’ve got a couple of highly promising youngsters in Vaughan and Anichebe but please don’t let them turn into Branch and Jeffers (nothing to do with Moyes, those 2, I know).
Finally, over 37,000 turned up last night. Middlesboro and Blackburn, 2 teams who have ’graced’ this competition in recent years have often struggled to get 3 men and a dog to these Thursday night football fiestas! The support is there, the fans want to see a run in Europe, and it’s not actually made too difficult to get one in this 3rd rate competition. Win one tie and get into a group of 5 from which 3 qualify for a further round, (is that right?) Surely we are not going to shoot ourselves in the foot this time?
No, it’s not all over yet and there is a second leg to come. Now, where is the city of Metalist anyway? Can’t find it in my atlas!
Come on Blues, please!
Ernie Boyce
40   Posted 21/09/2007 at 12:53:30

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I think our expectations were too high last night. Don’t forget that we started the game without our three best midfielders (arguably best players) and first choice keeper, and Wessels, Baines and Yakubu are still settling into the side.

Once any two of Cahill, Arteta and Grav are fit and introduced into the side I think our passing and ball retention will improve no end, we will attack as more of a unit, and create more chances for (and better supply to)the strikers.

Without doubt the main problem last night was the poor passing of Hibbert from defence, and Neville and Carsley in Midfield. Other than for the penalty misses the strikers cannot be blamed for their poor performances becasue there supply was absolutley dreadful. And I feel that, other than Hibbert, the distribution from the defenders was of a high enough standard.

But in the continueing absence of our four ball playing midfield players (the above inc Piennar) Moyes hands are tyed and he is forced to play poor passers of the ball in Midfield, which leads to a long ball game. With that in mind, at the moment, I feel Anichebe must start becasue he is our only fit striker that has aerial ability to contest the long balls with the CB’s - Yakubu is not that tall and can’t jump - he is not a target man! In fact he plays better off a target man.
Ron Rutter
41   Posted 21/09/2007 at 11:02:14

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A case of Jordan tactics - too much up front and not enough behind. What was so wrong with 4-4-2 that 3 up front would correct? Once our attacking moves broke down we made Metalist look good coming forward due to an undermanned and unimaginative midfield. Yak was so ineffective, slow and disinterested you could have subbed him with the Toffee Lady and not spotted the difference. Maybe the Toffee Lady should have taken the penalties as well. Another evening of European mind-numbing mediocrity without the excuse of having no money to spend on players must be particularly galling to David Moyes. Arteta and Grav should be back for the return tie and to say that we will need their creativity is somewhat of an understatement. Why we should miss two players so much says little for the prowess of the squad as a whole.
SHOCKED
42   Posted 21/09/2007 at 14:15:01

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we were being overun in midfield for the complete first half and were lucky not have conceded a couple of goals and as anyone who watches EFC knows,take Arteta out of the team and were stuck for ideas and resort to the long ball,Hibbert,Neville and Carsley were exposed for the poor footballers we know they are and Yakubu and Johnson didnt get a decent pass all night.When we reached half time ahead i thought thank god for that Moyes will see we’re being overun in the middle and change it,when we emerged second half the same i couldnt believe it, it was a major tactical error by the ditherer and we may pay dearly for it.How long are we going to do without a quality centre midfield player its been vacant for several years and must be filled if we are ever to win anything again.VERDICT-A TOTAL EMBARASSMENT TO WATCH
Russ
43   Posted 21/09/2007 at 14:46:17

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Hang on, wasn’t Big Dunc playing for us last night ??!

Thats why we kept pumping balls into the middle like we used to in the goold old days, remember them Rhino, big hoof, Dunc, goal !!
We need to resign Rhino and bring Big Dunc back.
Maybe DM also needs to tell the team we don’t have him any more !!
jayharris
44   Posted 21/09/2007 at 15:10:34

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Football is such a simple game.
You build your formation and tactics around the players available.
So why confuse eveybody with 4-3-3 with no wingers in the side(I hate to say it but VDM would have been ideal last night) and with 2 midfielders that cant pass or dribble(almost forgot what that meant for last few years).AND Why oh why do we have proven strikers and then wear them out by having them run around like headless chickens chasing aimless balls,tackling defenders with no support.
What happened to keep it simple keep possession and link play up and down the field.
Everton had quality on the pitch last night,far more quality than them but we did not play like a team in fact the worrying thing is all 11 looked like they had never met each other before.
I am beginning to worry now that the only time we win games is because the other team were poor at the time(Bolton,Totenham).
I’m afraid my opinion of Moyes is like our performances full of hope but disappointing on too many occasions.
My opinion of the board could not be printed here.
NSNO
Jason Tooley
45   Posted 21/09/2007 at 13:43:22

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I thought the lineup picked yesterday was poor. We were too defensive in centre mid and we had no width with ossie and mcfadden both being very narrow. Hibbert and Baines could both have overlapped much more in this formation. I have never seen Carsley have such a non-existant game. Hibbert wasn’t terrible but he isn’t doing enough either attaching or defending. I would prefer to see Neville at right back as the last 30 minutes at Bolton when we looked much better. In midfield, we need Jags and Gravesen in centre mid and Mik and Pienaar wide. This is still a bit narrow but at least we will be forced to pass it rather than lump it forward. You won’t find Mik, Grav or Pienaar playign long balls aimlessly like last night. Up front, we need to go with Yak and AJ but just stop the long balls with back to goal as neither has any chance with that tactic. Interestingly, we have another issue when Tim is back. I think we will have to play a diamond in midfield with Jags at the base and Tim at the top, Grav right and Mik left but both really centre mids. With this we will also be very narrow but I think we will have more firepower and guile going forward and if we are under pressure Tim can drop back into a flat 4. Pienaar dropping to the bench.

This is a much better lineup

Howard, Neville, Lescott, Yobo, Baines, Jagielka, Arteta, Gravesen, Cahill, Yakubu, Johnson subs Wessels, Stubbs, McFadden, Pienaar, Anichebe or Vaughan

Jason
Bastian Blue
46   Posted 21/09/2007 at 15:47:51

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I agree with all the negatives previously posted. I was ashamed to walk into work today and face a barrage of abuse and piss taking.
Please stop giving the ball to Tony Hibbert! Him and Phil Nev see more of the ball than anyone! What, are they our playmakers? Can we do no better? Can nobody pass anymore?
And, God love him, AJ is no class striker. He’s a trier but his skill level, touch and shooting are poor. He’s basically a willing sprinter.
We should worry about the January transfer window - cos Arteta and Tiny Tim will be off at the first good offer. Why would they stay to suffer anymore mediocrity?
Tony
47   Posted 21/09/2007 at 17:26:40

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So the lessons of 2005 have been learnt then Davie?

If that is the case why we did we completely embarrass ourselves with a display of what can only be described as extremely tactically naive. We looked exactly what we are - a team with no European experience and actually no clue as to how to approach this game. But is this an excuse? A lot of our players are internationals. Most will have played against European teams in youth and U21 and other tournaments as they have developed as professionals. Furthermore, everyone who has watched the English Teams in the Champions League over recent seasons, and I assume our players have as well, will have seen how they have learned to refine their game,learned that you need to be guarded and cautious at the right time, that patience is required, the need to protect a league and that clean sheets are a premium.

So what did we do? Run round like headless chickens from the first whistle and basically try to throw the kitchen sink at the opposition.

It was like the last minute of a one off cup tie right the way through.

I know we missed two penalties but this just masks the problems. We completely failed to keep possession, the worst offenders being a woeful Tony Hibbert and Phil Neville...supposedly our most experienced European campaigner!! We resorted to long high balls too often. Especially when Victor came on.

Moyes has pointed to injuries playing a part - but we have know these games were coming since May. That was the point of supposedly building the squad up in preparation.

What was he thinking trying a formation that we have never played before against a team we have never seen? Surely he should have started with what we know and changed it as the game went on once we saw what they had to offer - as they did as it happens.

Should we fail to get through the 2nd Leg, and clearly we saw enough to see Metalist Kharkiv have enough about them to make that a real possibility, I’m afraid the Board has to ask if Moyes is the right person to take us onto a European stage. There is no evidence so far that he is.

If we go out at this stage, then this season could be a long hard slog. Because what will be our ambition - to qualify for europe...?
seany blue
48   Posted 21/09/2007 at 17:35:38

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yes yes and yes... i think the draw lastnight was a blessing for us... as no doubt moyes will have a look the dvd and a blind man could see that we couldnt string 4 passes together against even 9 men...what worries me more is that when they went down to 9 men they looked like scoring more!!!! aj and the yak wernt givin a ball to feet all game..and when they did get the ball 2 defenders was up the ass.. no pace in midfeild no ability no skill...dont get me started on hibbert!! 4.3.3 a joke.. if we continue with this style of football od help us!!!
Tony Hibbert
49   Posted 21/09/2007 at 18:29:28

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Do you remeber the game when Earl Barrett trapped a long ball dead and the whole ground errupted. You never clap me and he was shit.
philip kolvin
50   Posted 21/09/2007 at 22:07:00

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Tony
Interesting comment. How would you analyse your own performance and that of the team last night?
John Andrews
51   Posted 21/09/2007 at 23:16:58

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It is difficult to know where to start really. I have to agree with most of that which has already been said. The 4-3-3 formation was a dreadful mistake and the only bonus was that all of the folks who wanted to see McFadden given a full game will now know what the rest of us have known for years.
To play with both Carsley and Neville in midfield was mind blowing. For pities sake we were playing the Mentalists ! Although I am still to be convinced by Jagielka he must have been a better option.
I am afraid the buck must stop with Moyes. Although I am not normally a Moyes basher he seems to have made both AJ and Yakubu look very ordinary whereas I believe they are both itching to get goals. He also did a similar job on Beattie who was transformed from a striker to somebody who could not hit a cows arse with a banjo.
I have taken some time before writing this to get over what was quite the most disappointing Everton performance I have seen in a long long time.
Sadly I think it is "Taxi for Moyes" time.
tommy griffiths
52   Posted 22/09/2007 at 04:02:48

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we have gone as we can with moyes,we will not go down but we will not be winning trophys.i would like mark hughes,who would jump at the chance of leaving blackburn for a big club and as got euro experience with wales,you saw how they played us off the park at goodison with a bunch of ordinary players.
Thommo
53   Posted 22/09/2007 at 08:17:14

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The saddest thing is not that every man and his dog can see what’s wrong but that nothing seems likely to be done about it. Full backs who seem incapable of going forward and a midfield dominated by defensive players. Moyes’ excuse, that injuries forced him to field that side. Had we scored the two penalties and won 3-1 we would probably have let him get away with it but the point needs to be made that Everton under Moyes are never likely to do the unexpected nor anticipate foreseeable problems.
Rocky O,Rourke
54   Posted 22/09/2007 at 10:03:12

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Mcfadden up front with Victor. At least they’ve scored this season.

Arteta to central midfield. Play Piennar - Why sign him then give him 10 minutes when we are losing?

Don’t stick with Johnson for his ’confidence’. FFS he’s a professional. If he can’t motiv8 himself to play his best everytime he pulls on a shirt, sell him. We need goals.

Right back. Take your pick. Hibbert’s becoming a scapegoat. We don’t concede much down the right when he plays and i didn’t see the Metallist goal as his fault. Where was the central defence?



Eveton = angst, but what you gonna do?
Tony Hibbert MBE
55   Posted 22/09/2007 at 18:06:58

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Passing’s over-rated anyway.
Gavin Ramejkis
56   Posted 22/09/2007 at 16:34:42

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Rocky if you were there you would have seen Yobo trying to cover his and Hibbert’s position for the goal


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