COLUMNIST JOHN HOLMES
A blip or chickens coming home to roost
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John Holmes : 24/09/2007 :
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12:00pm Saturday the 15th of September and Everton prepare to take on Man Utd in the knowledge that a win will send them to the top of the Premiership with 13 points from a possible 18 and a eminently winnable European tie to come in midweek. The following weekends game at Villa should give us the chance to assert our position as one of the big boys again. All looks rosy after a bright start to the season.
Just 9 days later and it feels like the world's caved in. Two limp league defeats and a farcical performance by a bunch of school boys in Europe leave us 9th in the table with European hopes hinging on an away win in inhospitable conditions.
Yet we'll go into the Middlesbrough game next Saturday knowing a good performance will send us back into a healthy league position, perhaps the top four, and a solid display in Europe should be enough to send us through with a winnable game against Newcastle to follow. So the question is are Everton in crisis or was it just a bad week brought on by a rash of unfortunate injuries and poor form?
I'd argue it's a bit of both. I don't think Moyes's achievements are crumbling around him. Being stripped of players of the quality of Arteta, Cahill and Gravesen would hit any team's midfield and with games and niggling injuries coming thick and fast the constant line-up changes breed uncertainty in a team built around teamwork and reliability. Even setting this aside, defeats to United and at Villa Park are hardly humiliations and could have happened to the best of managers and teams, Chelsea have just done it (although that argument falls flat against Kharkiv).
The manner of the defeats suggests Moyes cannot simply write it off as a bad week at the office, however. Defensive frailty persists where solidity was once in abundance. Individual errors seem to be the main culprits with Yobo and Hibbert both guilty on several occasions this season. Moyes must find a way to eradicate these and quickly. Whatever you think of his gameplan there's no denying a key part of it is being able to frustrate the opposition by giving them no sight of goal; without this, a defensive outlook is a waste of time.
The strikers are, in my view, being unfairly lambasted, Johnson especially. The Villa game was a prime example of what he brings to the team and what the team isn't bringing to him. He was effective drifting out wide but could rarely do anything once there because of a lack of support in the box. His own opportunities were limited to a scrambled half-chance from 20 yards and a well-struck free-kick. Those criticising Johnson would do well to consider what exactly the other strikers are offering Everton at this time. Yakubu and Anichebe (when he starts, the sub Anichebe is a different animal) lumber round waiting for it to land on a plate for them whilst McFadden plays a similar role to Johnson to far more frustrating effect.
The real problem as most know lies in the midfield. I can accept that the personnel are limited. Osman is a good link up player but has no creativity and his once reliable finishing is becoming more erratic. Pineaar seems to only play for 20 minutes a game but seems to be improving. The remainder are defensive midfielders, criticising them for not being able to split open defences is somewhat unfair. For me the failure lies in their inability to get the other aspects right.
Why do they not break for the penalty area when a cross is likely to come in? It's always too easy for the defence. Although I actually thought we played a calmer less long-ball oriented game on Sunday, why do they so consistently fail to look around and note the runs of the full-backs, who were doing stirling work down Villa's flanks, inevitably instead going for the difficult pass infield?
These are just two examples of the basic things that could be addressed by Moyes but he is failing to do so. A simple request to 'look for the full-backs and remember you're playing as an attacking midfielder so attack the box' seems so simple.
To talk of sacking Moyes now is premature. If we win in the Ukraine and the return of Cahill and Gravesen leads to some more competent attacking play, this Everton team has real potential to take advantage of the top four's patchy form and make a bid for the Champion's League places and the Uefa Cup itself. But, and it's a large but, Moyes cannot allow the team to drift like it has lately.
I number myself amongst those who ardently support Moyes and believe he has the potential to take Everton further but the frustrations he is currently inflicting upon us and the recurring ones ? the pointless long-ball game, the bizarre European approach ? will only be tolerated for so much longer. Progress is a slow process and reaching a plateau of no advance is not instantly apparent, however, the present situation will begin to look like one if Moyes cannot find some answers in our next big week starting against Middlesbrough on Saturday.
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Not really a comment about the article, more the penultimate paragraph "talk of sacking Moyes now is premaure" - is there realy anybody reactionary or dare I say stupid enough to even begin to entertain this notion?
Quite unbelievable - when it happens (and he is being touted in the broadsheets as a worthy consideration for Man U / Chelsea) it will be a day to rank amongst the all to many dark days we have experienced
Sacking Moyes has been entertained by many for the past few years. I’ve never thought it was a good idea and I don’t now but his limitations are becoming increasingly apparent and as yet he’s found no way to overcome them. His previous achievments have bought him some time but that time is not infinite
"His previous achievments have bought him some time but that time is not infinite" What achievement finshing fourth with a negative goal difference woo who followed by the worst day of my life bucharest and viareal shockingly unprepared for the tie if everton of 05 played everton of 07 it would be the worst game of football ever MOYES OUT NOW HE MAKES MY BLOOD BOIL ILL NEVER GO A MATCH AGAIN WHILE HE IS IN CHARGE!
David - Good, I for one would welcome having 1 less moaning bitch around the place! We are missing all our creative midfielders. Judge DM when he has a fit squad. I believe we will beat Metalist and also Boro. Cahill, Grav and Arteta should be comming back soon, and I think we will get points from newcastle and red shite - 2 draws probably. Then we have Derby away and Chelski who are going through a self inflicted crisis. Despair not, we are Evertonians, lets get behined the team.
Altho please God put Nev at right back and play jags in midfield. I think DM wants better defence which is why he is playing Hibbert but Hibbert just is not good enough at passing or getting forward at this level.
David,
we all know you’ll be there next time around.
Once a Blue.....
regardless
Mark P, my sentiments exactly! in fact i dont even need to say anything else. Hibbert is useless; he doesn’t stop crosses in defence, nor does he get forward and attack with any venom, such as overlap or look like getting to the byline. Neville would be much better at right back, and i think would be able to captain the team just as well from this position.
Moyes has made some silly decisions, but we need to get behind the team and the players, not react stupidly to results going against us. We will be back as always and we will once again be talking about europe in a couple of weeks or so.
COYB!
See, I understand why people criticse Moyes, I understand why some think he’s taken us as far as he can, I understand those who want better quality football and see a different manager as the solution. I simply can’t take seriously though those people who claim Moyes has achieved nothing, that finishing fourth wasn’t an achievement, that achieving 3 of Everton’s 4 highest Premiership finishes including two European qualifications is nothing, that transforming the squad from oh sod it. Those with a brain know what Moyes has achieved, the question is can he do more. At least understand the terms of the debate if you want to have extremist views.
DM has made some strange selections but he is still OK for my money. Arteta is the main man and the sooner he is back to his creative best the better together with Cahill and Grav. Play Neville at right back now and try McFadden in midfield. Take your pick as to plays upfront with AJ. Yakubu needs time. Vaughan will be welcome and will make a huge difference.
I agree with Stewart for the most part, the thing is I don’t like the fact that if Les Dennis resurrected family fortunes and came round with a survey and asked us "apart from Mikkel Arteta name a creative midfielder who currently plays for Everton" The survey would think for a minute and then shrug or possibly say Andy Van der Mayde... enn ughh (or whatever that buzzer would be in words)
Depends on your opinion of "creative" I suppose but the midfield is an area I would like to see upgraded we can’t rely on Mikky single handely pulling all the strings or
a) teams will catch on and start targeting him
b) when he’s not around performances drop.
This, rather worringly appears to happening already
The poster who believes Moyes is a possible for Man U or Chelsea must be mentally ill. Do you really think that they would consider the no hoper for those -ner in billion years - he would last 5 seconds at most
John Holmes - you make the valid point that us Moyes haters overlook his past achievements - problem is that what I genuinely remember most is the awful football and even in 04/05 the regular humiliating defeats - 7-0 anyone - he has to go now
I know weve got injuries but if we get players fit again it would be an idea to play 3,5,2.
Either tim or wessels in goal,
back 3 of stubbs in between yobo & lescott,
baines and neville as wide midfielders with jags in the middle along with miky and grav.
johnson and vic/yak up front.
this would give us both more creativity and stability at the back until we get vaughn and cahill back.
John, well done for putting on a decent, well thought out article. Throwing critism is the easiest thing to do in football. Think of where we are now, screaming and shouting about being 9th and in Europe, compared to pre-Moyes (and the previous 15 years!). Look at any other successful team (bar-Chelsea) and you’ll see it’s taken time to develop. Moyes makes mistakes but every manager does. Finally, for all the ’Moyes haters’, keep coming to the games so we can take your money and give it to Davey. Cheers.
By the way we play sunday next week my guess 32 000 gate, empty exec boxes ( see them last Thuresday fucking joke but we need many more of these in our stadium allegedly )
And come that game we could actually be in the bottom six three points off bottom spot this is how crisis times start .
Chris Jones (Liverpool)
Posted 24/09/2007 at 21:01:15
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I think you’ve got the balance right there John. Healthy criticism in a world of blue maniacs.
I think Tony Marsh and the rest of the boo boys need to have a look at themselves. You may have been going for years but you are of the Sky Sports generation who think we are shite one minute brilliant the next.
Moyes has got some really tough decisions to make if we are going to turn it round in the next three games - which I will go on record here and say I think we’ll win them all.
We were two goals (Vidic and the Metalist equaliser) away from two decent results. Villa was always going to be in the balance and could have gone either way.
The reason for the ’hoof ball’ tactics you refer to is the lack of movement and ability in the current midfield. Hibbert and Yobo in particular don’t ever seem to have an option to feet in front of them so they often opt for the percenttage ball, whereas Baines and Lescott will take a chance and play. Hibbert isn’t good enough and Neville is not a good enough centre midfielder.
The biggest disappointment for me is Yakubu. I think £11m is well over the odds - he is a big dtrong lad but doesn’t seem to have the desire unless I’m reading too much into his body language.
Have faith boys - have faith and stop acting like Red Shites - I saw hundreds leaving with 6 minutes left against Man Utd - you are an embarassment.
Nobody can deny Moyes has taken us forward,and deserves credit for it.Thing is I don’t think he is capable of taking us any further.Thursday night,I think everyone in the ground knew 4-3-3 wasn’t working.Everyone that is,apart from Moyes.I’m not having all this,it was just a bad night,we had injuries(this is supossed to be the best squad since the 80s,isn’t it?)He just looked clueless.So far this season (apart from Spurs)we have had to endure the same shite football that we played for most of last season,how much more do we have to take?We are always being told we can’t mention how great we were in the 80s,because that was in the past.Well lads,Moyes’s 4th,6th place finishes are in the past.When someone dare have a go at Moyes,or even suggest he should leave,these stats are always thrown in our face.What about the un-wanted records he has accumilated for the club.Our last euro jaunt,well,we all know what happened there.Some of his mind boggling tactical decisions.I just don’t think he is the great manager that some fans would have us believe.To me he is a half decent manager.Thats my opinion.
Chelsea did the European thing too - 1-1 at home to Rosenborg,
anybody who has been to any of our games this season[except the spurs game]will agree that our performances have at best been dodgy and at worse been shit.there hasnt been any sexy football[r.gullit quote]and to be completly honest there hasnt been any free flowing football,every game has been a scrappy boring game.why is it that we the fans can see the problems with team selections and the players who quite simply cant play for toffee[sorry about the pun]but moyes cant and continues to pick these inconsistant players.how much longer should we have to suffer this 2nd rate performances,moyes tactics in a lot of the games are questionable and the team at the minute are a complete joke,sadly though,im not laughing.
For me its not that Moyes can’t do or hasn’t done anything right - he has and for that much thanks. He’s steered us way from flirting with relegation and has made us safer bet in the table and with a squad much improved on the shambles he inherited from Wally Smith. For me its now a case of is he doing enough right - can he take us further? Personally I’ve seen too many flaws that suggest he maybe incapable of taking that next step to make us an attractive and more consistent outfit. I hope I’m wrong as I don’t see him being moved on by Kenwright any time soon. The fact that they are about to offer him a pretty lucrative deal is proof enough. So its quite legit to express views and to let the club know that we won’t settle for average and mediocre, huff and puff over science. He sat up in reaction to the nonesense he served up at home v Spurs last term. Judicious promptings from the terraces for players and manager alike is the only influence we have so for heavens sake why shouldn’t we use it. Its supporting Everton that matters not Moyes, BK, etc. In my book jeering just like cheering is an appropriate response. But talk of staying away because of Moyes (or indeed Kirkby) is beneath contempt for this Blue.
The truth is that we risk to see our season over at the beginning of october...not march or april but october...it’s five years that we’ve been reading "we will bounce back" or "...back on track" but I’m tired of reading all taht excuses! We just can’t step forward. Everytime we have to improve our targets, we simply FAIL MISERABLY and that’s what is happening now. We wanted Europe and this was supposed to be our MAIN target, to check if we are a team who can stay and fight in Europe but now we are about to be eliminated by a band of school boys...shame!!! And what about our 20 MILLION PARTNERSHIP? Just 1 goal...yes Johnson runs and runs and runs but I would like you to realize that this is exactly what BEATTIE used to do during a match: RUN and we kicked him away...
I’ve been an EVERTONIAN since I was 6, now I’m 32. I’m Italian and I come to Goodison to watch as many matches I can, Iwas planning my European trips but we are not able to step forward. Maybe we should accept it...I hope to be wrong but our season is about to end in 10 days........frustrating and sad.........
Maybe the crap being offered by Moyes over the last Five years is good enough for some fans, but my expectations are far higher.
Sure we ARE going to lose games but to lose in the manner we do is unnacceptable for me.
The quality of the football is dross to say the least and lets face facts Van Nistelroy and Henry would struggle to score in a team with Neville and Carsley in its engine room. Im sick of hearing how great Moyes has done, ok on paper better players and no more relegation battles.
So maybe he has reached his bench mark because this is HIS team now and quite frankly it depresses me and I wont be purchasing another season ticket to watch utter shite.
Pietro,
To compare Johnson and Beattie is ridiculous. The latter didn’t run and run he waddled around, was rarely in shape and more often overweight, was given three years to show consistent form and consistently failed, never brought anything to the team when he wasn’t scoring and generally was a waste of money.
Irrespective of whether Johnson is scoring he brings a lot to the team whether as a get out ball, a creator, a hold-up player or, barring what has been a bad spell for him but only 13 games in reality too many but not a season like Beattie, goals.
Our season will only be over by October if this slump continues to the end of that month. We can still fairly easily qualify for the next round of the UEFA Cup. We could go back into the Champion’s League positions with a win on Sunday and we’re still waiting on the return of some of our best players. Things aren’t going well at the moment but I’d hold off the propehcising of doom just yet
Moyes is at best very ordinary and if you can’t see that then you know absolutely f*ck all about football!!!
Hows this guy saying moyes is useless?!? Moyes has turned the team into a bottom six to a top six team and i think one major problem is that Everton are stuggling to ajust to being a more attacking force with alll their creative midfielders out at the moment.
I also think somthings going on with Neville.... why is he always played in the middle when EVERYONE knows he’s far better at right back. I wonder if Newcastle sniffing around during the summer has anything to do with that?
I’m not really worried about the team though, we’l win at the weekend and everyone will feel a lot better.
Jason Burrows I can count on 1 hand the amount of great football displays from Everton under Moyes. The standard of the players and the football being played is utter sh*te end of!!! There’s only 3 good players at the club that I rate the rest are ordinary the lot after that are f*cking woeful. Moyes is so f*ckin over-rated!!!
Jay are you for real! go and support someone else if you think all our players are awful you fool!! 3 good players - cahill, arteta, johnson, yakubu, lescott, lescott, baines, vaughan - should i go on!! you obviously don’t have a clue!!
It is clear that Moyes’s over cautious nature is the main factor in the style of football we play and the lack of confidence most of our players have coming forward. No one really seems to want the ball and when they get it Moyes is always barking orders at them to get rid or such like. If you look at most games we’ve won by more than 1 goal then we’ve usually scored from a set piece for the first goal and get subsequent goals when the opposition are trying to get back in the game. We still play like a team who does not believe they can actually play good football and try to avoid deafeat rather that going out to win.
Asking the players to try a new (to them) more attacking formation in a crucial european game was neither a wise move or going to suddenly erase the previous 5 years over cautionary coaching.
chelsea;last 3 games:lost, 2-0, draw 1-1, lost,2-0.ALL teams struggle at times.COYB
Like what you say, but still have issues, I know Arteta makes things happen, you know it too, so do all the other teams we play agin, thaths why he gets rough housed every time we play. he gets little or no protection from the men in black, therefore we must ask why we have no other gameplan when he is not ready. Cahill has been out for ever, Graveson may be of use but getting him match fit takes time, (no pre season etc.) the type of desperate football played in the second half against the ukraines, was at best shambolic, DM appears to have lost his self belief, remember when if things were not right he would make drastic changes, he would go for games, he now seems determined not to lose, there lies the difference. But hey thats what we are about lets wait and see if he gets things right over the next few games.
COYB
Tony
BARRY - Lescott, Baines and Arteta are the only decent players in the team the rest are f*ckin shite!!! Cahill and Vaughan haven’t even kicked a ball this season so why have you mentioned them?? It doesn’t matter what they’ve done in previous seasons we are talking HERE and NOW and they’re goosed on a treatment table!!! I know what a decent footballer looks like and Johnson and Yakubu are crap!! Yakubu is Beattie for double the price!!!
you seem frustrated (thats the person who wrote the original aricle). I like the team that Moyes is creating, just give it time to settle. I’m not a footballer or manager.
Cheers
Jon
jay cambell you have a name like a Dj and you must think your one. What do you think should happen when everton play? i think if your feel that bad about the team then go support someone else
Jason Burrows that’s a great attitude you have innit!!!
Jay Campbell ur an idiot! are cahill and vaughan not everton players anymore?! yes they are just injured! Yakubu - crap? He has scored more prem goals than any other current prem striker consistently over the last 4 years(only Henry had more)!! Yobo is another quality defender! You should f~ck off this site you don’t have a clue!
BARRY your 24 carot nutend and if anyone doesn’t have a clue it’s you ya stormer!!! Yakubu’s scored loads of goal’s from the penno spot!! F*ckin dead hard that innit(only if your Andy Johnson). Look and see how many he’s from outside the box, with his head, his left foot etc which proves you don’t get f*ck all nowadys for 11 million quid!! Yobo is at best very ordinary and for your information just see what Kevin Ratcliffe (he was sh*te though wasn’t he??) thinks about him. Open your eyes on match day ya tool instead of sniffing the glue!!! By the way when the f*ck did i say that Cahill and Vaughan weren’t Everton Players?? They are goosed and F*ck know’s when they’ll be back so why are you mentioning them as influencial players when we can’t even call upon them. Numbskull!!!
Go and you tube yakubu and come back and tell me all he scored were peno’s - avg 17 pens in a season i think not you knob! Johnson rubbish? are you for real! he is class,your just jumpin on the bandwagon cos he hasnt scored in 6 months, if you watched the matches you’d see he performs well week in and week out!! you said we only have 3 good players, nothing about fit players! cahill will be back end of month! if you hate hate the team so much go support someone else! seriously f~ck off with your stupidity and moronic unwanted opinions you complete and utter bellend!
Chasing hoofed ball’s into area’s where you pose no threat whatsoever is class play is it??? No goal in 6 months speaks for itself Divvy!!! He’s sh*te!! Just proves you don’t go the match. Don’t hold your breath on Cahill coming back this month either whopper!!! Yakubu makes Beattie look a snip the lazy t*at!!! See Everton fan’s like you Barry honest to god you might as well have a full blown conversation with a lamp post coz you know f*ck all about football or what a good footballer looks like!!!
Could not be bothered talkin to you anymore! Im sure everyone else appreciates your ignorance and negativity - you truly are a model fan - fair play!! Maybe you should stop talkin about what good footballers "look like" ( you steamer!) and concentrate on how they play! Is it AJ’s fault he is chasing balls into the corner....second thoughts don’t bother answering your a f~ckin waster and your input is irrelevant!
Jay, I agree with you. This Barry fella is a bit of a tool. We are fuckin muck. I’d say Barry has wet dreams thinkin about Johnson. Jay Cambell for president.
yeah you and Noel should meet up and talk boll*x to each other - you’s are both thick - made for each other you’s can talk about what players look good - steamers!
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Quite unbelievable - when it happens (and he is being touted in the broadsheets as a worthy consideration for Man U / Chelsea) it will be a day to rank amongst the all to many dark days we have experienced