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COLUMNIST KEVIN SPARKE

The Everton 'X-Files'

By Kevin Sparke :  28/10/2007 :  Comments (55) :

Anyone who knows me will tell you that I don?t go in for fanciful conspiracy theories. Elvis is dead and not working for British Gas as a heating engineer in Cardiff; JFK was shot by a lone deranged gunman with a crap rifle and a chip on his shoulder and not executed on the orders of the mob/CIA/KGB/KFC; the UK never wins the Eurovision song contest because our songs are crap and not because nobody likes us as a result of our turning everywhere we go on holiday into a shit version of Blackpool? (okay, the last one might be true). No, I prefer the explanation reached by reason and observation and not any fanciful theory just because it fits my particular prejudice ? yet? What is it with Everton and referees?

I?ve been a Bluenose since pre-teens and over the years I've witnessed some real shocking performances. I can remember the Clive Thomas disallowed goal at Maine Road, I also remember that Clive not only ruled out that goal, he gave every 50?50 decision to the Red bastards. I remember the Varadi cup tie Derby 1981 when Thomas consulted his linesman for what seemed an eternity before awarding us a perfectly good goal, I can imagine the conversation:

Ref: Give me a reason to rule out that perfectly good goal

Linesman: Erm? well? actually I never saw anything wrong with it

Ref: Oh come on?. I need material for my book?

I remember in the same game Jimmy Case (the shithouse) almost cutting our goalkeeper in half with a knee-high tackle and after a scuffle ? was he booked?? was he heck? but Mike Lyons was for retaliation.

I remember in 1982 Joe Worrall awarding about 11 minutes of injury time at an Old Trafford cup tie? ?play until Manchester United score?, was the order of the day?. Did I mention that Worrall?s two sons were Manchester United season ticket holders?

Good God, the list is endless, the ?Hands? Hansen incident, any match that Uriah Rennie officiated, the Klingon Italian ref at Villareal, I?ve plenty of other examples but I?ll either bore you to death or ferment so much disillusion and anger you?ll be storming the ref's dressing room at the next home game demanding parity or checking his pockets for wads of £50 notes? No, the point is that the poor decision-making by the Refs in question can be put down to a bad day at the office or the failings of a particular individual or, in the case of Thomas, a lust for notoriety. For active and clearly discernable anti-Everton refereeing to seemingly become an official FA policy decision you had to wait until the formation of the Sky Premier League.

Hey, now that is a serious charge? have I got any evidence to back this up? ?You bet I have.

Consider Duncan Ferguson. A fit mobile Duncan Ferguson was impossible to handle for most central defenders. He bullied and blustered and bounced opposition defenders; he could hold the ball, was good on the floor and imperious in the air. Unfortunately he had a temper, and when central defenders nudged, niggled and pulled Duncan about he would react. Sometimes he?d get his retaliation in first and out would come the red card.

Now, I?m the first to admit that Duncan was his own worst enemy and he did commit quite a few offences but he was hardly ever given the benefit of protection from the referee. I can remember plenty of occasions when Duncan would be pulled about, kicked from behind, leaned on and what would the ref do?... sod all. An illuminating insight into the mindset of the Ref was when that public school stuffed shirt David Ellery warned his linesman to keep an eye on ?the big man? as he?s a dirty player, or words to that effect. Was this the policy of all referees at that time? Did Everton suffer because of a quietly spoken directive along the lines of ?don?t ever give Ferguson the benefit of the doubt?? I?d bet dollars to doughnuts there was some collusion and therefore Ferguson and Everton were not the recipients of fair and impartial refereeing.

Case two: Andrew Johnson. I can remember how refreshing it was to watch Johnson during the first few games of last season. He was a player with genuine pace, rapier like runs splitting defences and cutting inside with dash and agility. This guy looked the business, I was thinking at the time this fella is our ?Ian Rush? (spit)? but then something strange happened. Johnson would power into the box, the final defender on his shoulder pulling and prodding, Johnson would be hurled down, tripped, nudged, hacked and fall, the result? no penalty.

Now, let's face it, the guy had a bit of a reputation for diving and this might have swayed the decision-making of one or two referees when facing a penalty claim, even when it looked like a cast-iron, nailed on certainty of a penalty. However, it wasn?t just one or two refs, giving a dodgy call re Andrew Johnson? it was bloody well all of them! At least ten cast iron penalty decisions went against us in 12 games, the majority of them fouls on Johnson. Did all of the Premier League refs suddenly wake up one morning and individually decide, ?hey, let?s not give Everton penalties, especially if it involves AJ?? No, I don?t think so. There is plenty of evidence to suggest that there was collusion between refs and some form of tacit agreement verging on policy that AJ is a diver ? no benefit of the doubt, no judging each incident on individual merit? no penalty.

Finally, let?s take the case of Clatterburke. In all my years of watching football that was the most one-sided, skewed display of refereeing I?ve ever witnessed and I?ve seen some corkers. It was clear from his body language that he had a rapport with the Liverpool players from the kick-off. It was clear that he was in awe of Stevie-G-laaa and 'the bottler' Carragher, it was obvious to all that he was in their collective pockets and was never going to give Everton anything.

I?ve spoken to plenty of neutral supporters who?ve almost unanimously labelled that performance by the ref an absolute disgrace. So, what have the FA done?? very little, a half-hearted response removing him from a list when he was already going on holiday. If that had been a Liverpool vs Manchester United game or Manchester United vs Chelsea I have no doubt that the ?Clot? would have been removed from the list of Premier League refs for a very long time and an investigation launched ? but we?re only Everton and we?ve been shit on by the FA for so long it?s become part of who we are.

As I?ve said, I don?t normally go for conspiracy theories but this suggestion of anti-Everton bias with the FA particularly inside its refereeing department is a case for Mulder and Scully if I?ve ever seen one?

Now? where did I put my blue tinted specs?

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Derek Thomas
1   Posted 29/10/2007 at 06:12:06

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Hear Hear!
There is no such thing as more than one coincidence. As with ghosts, ufo’s etc they can’t ALL be weather balloons or whatever.

Just coz you’re paranoid doesn’t mean your not right.

The real question is not, are we TOO paranoid? - but rather, are we paranoid enough??

The truth is out there.

Do de do do, do de do do.
Dave wilson
2   Posted 29/10/2007 at 07:20:55

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Kevin
you’ve missed dozens of other desperate decisions from your list - I know, you’ve only got so long - but I have another theory, and it wont be popular on these pages

I believe we bring it on ourselves mate.
When referee gives so much as a throw in at Anfield or Old Trafford against the home team, the place explodes, the referee is surrounded by household names shoving, pushing, bullying, this is the most odious site in football, but think about it, the terrified official doesnt dare give the really important decision against them. Leeds did it for years, Emlyn Hughes admitted they "got away with murder" in derby matches. by either intimidating or currying favour with the ref
Look at the Everton players reaction after the match last week, the worst refereeing performance in memory was met with only a couple of minor protest, even then, they were ushered away by Alan Stubbs. this is comendable and shows we carry ourselves with dignity, but it also shows we carry all the threat and menace of an April shower
To take it further, look at the 9-10 pens you spoke about that AJ was denied last year, did Moysee scream at the ref as he left the pitch ? or did any of our players chase the ref ? did AJ himself offer any protest other than a shake of the head ? it had to happen at least 7-8 times beore gentleman moysee really lost it and sent a video to the authorities ! scary stuff
I’m sorry but unless we are prepared to plunge the depts - and it appears we are not - that these "glamour" clubs will sink to nothing will change
it will continue to be easier to give decisions against those awfully nice chaps down at Goodison

Nathan
3   Posted 29/10/2007 at 07:58:34

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One of the worst decisions, if not the worst I’ve ever seen in any match:

Everton v Blackburn. 50-50 ball going into the box. AJ chasing it. Andy Todd a couple of metres to his left. AJ running straight onto it, Todd running at a 45 degree angle straight into Johnson with his shoulder. Referee about 15-20 metres away, with a perfectly unobstructed view of the two players. No penalty. Goal kick given as Todd didn’t touch the ball, but somehow managed to make a fair challenge.....
ray
4   Posted 29/10/2007 at 07:39:11

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A good case well put,Kevin,but in the interests of accuracy,Ellery sent Ferguson off for "industrial language" as he quaintly put it.I think it was away to Blackburn(?). I think it was Alan Wiley who ordered his linesman to "watch Ferguson", something Sky cameras picked up. Also,don’t forget Old Mother Riley awarding Beckham a non-existant freekick from which he scored, helping Manure to pick up the Premiership .This is part of Sporting Lifes report at the time....
"The Dutchman (horseface) had a quiet game by his own standards but when referee Mike Riley compounded a string of controversial decisions against the home side by awarding a penalty against Alan Stubbs for a foul on the forward" This, in addition to the freekick, shafted Evertons attempts to qualify for the UEFA Cup. It’s not just against the RS that we suffer.........

You can archive old reports on Sporting Lifes webpage.Always usefull when you want to sort out a pub argument.
Arthur jones
5   Posted 29/10/2007 at 09:03:17

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As far as players not protesting against dubious refereeing decisions , remember James Mc Fadden protesing to Graham (look at me , I’m a TIT ) poll , His actual words to poll where " thats shite " not " you cheat " against Arsenal in the Carling cup , Poll chose to send him off , Carragher last week was screaming at clottenbogg , waving his arms about and never even got spoken to or warned , !!! Even yesterday Carragher chinned Eboue in the penalty area , no response from Webb and threw Walcott to the ground , again , no response , What have the refs contrived to do now ? we’ll all favour liverpoo so it looks that clottenburg isn’t the only biased cheat ???
At the moment , former refs are assessing the refs performances , Kieth Hackett seems like a fair man but does his recommendations have any bite ? Why can’t former players assess games ? Why aren’t refs made to give post match interviews , they are professionals now , Why , if a ref gives a yellow card for a red card offence can this not be changed ? and of course the bigges one of all , the technology is available , why don’t we have a 4th official , miked up to the ref to give him on the spot advice , ??
Del Black
6   Posted 29/10/2007 at 09:42:51

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Why do so many of us believe that shit only happens to Everton.Any fan of any club could reel off a catalogue of injustices just as horrific.Too much valuable energy is wasted worrying about things we can’t change.
Arthur jones
7   Posted 29/10/2007 at 09:53:06

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In answer to Del , I don’t think as much sh*t happens to liverpool or manutd as it does to most teams , They seem to get the "" rub of the green "" more than anyone
Sean Allinson
8   Posted 29/10/2007 at 10:15:32

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Del, you are quite simply wrong, and the reason I know this? Ask any RS supporting mates to list the dubious decisions that have gone our way against them over the years. Let them go back as far as they want, and I will guarantee you that the list of their unpunished indiscretions will be four times as long. What goes around for them certainly doesn’t come around for us, and it has now got to such a crazy degree that we really do have to ask how this situation has come about.
ToffeeDan
9   Posted 29/10/2007 at 10:40:08

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Hard to disagree - but we have the high moral ground - f**k em I say. Everyone knows "The Truth is Out There".



Toffee Dan
Mike Hughes
10   Posted 29/10/2007 at 11:08:29

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Great article - and I could adds plenty of other incidents and injustices over the years. Bitter? Me? No - I’m very bitter. But when you add everything up, the only solution is for the lads on the pitch to do the business. If there is some kind of favoritism for the "big four" then the only way around it is to become one of the "big four". We have to start making mincemeat out of teams at Goodison and getting back to the hard-to-beat system away from home we had when we finished fourth. We’re our own worst enemy when we make hard work of seemingly "easy" games - but isn’t that the Everton way? As fans, the only things we can do are demand the best (Nil Satis......) and get behind the team. COYB.
Marc Arabella
11   Posted 29/10/2007 at 11:20:59

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I’m an Evertonian.
Just to flip the coin.
Remember the Bolton ’goal’!
It isn’t aways poo, just most of the time.
Chris Clough
12   Posted 29/10/2007 at 11:59:32

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Many years ago, in a Liverpool derby at Goodison, Everton had a Roy Vernon goal disallowed for "offside". I can’t remember the ref., but Vernon was YARDS ONSIDE: his timing and pace put him in the goalscoring position and we finished drawing a match we would have won as a result. I was young at the time and thought this was just an isolated, though appalling, mistake by linesman and ref. - but in the light of Kevin Sparke’s comments, now I wonder......?
Chris Clough.
Alan Humphreys
13   Posted 29/10/2007 at 14:04:15

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Should it be mentioned that the head of the FA is one Brian Barwick and a dyed in the hair Liverpool supporter.

However the injustices have been going on long before he took up the role, but as a former MoTD Editor he wrote me a nice letter saying I was biaised after the ’95 final - (commentator never seemed to mention an Everton player). True - I am, but surely so is he !
liam Loftus
14   Posted 29/10/2007 at 13:59:15

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in responce to marc, what are you talking about you clown? I was living in Bolton at the time and it pissed me off when them buets always brought that up as Nathan Blake had his elbow in Southalls face in which as blatent a foul as the ball across the line so, if the ref would have given it, he would have had to have given the foul for us. So how did that "go for us"..?
Brian Waring
15   Posted 29/10/2007 at 14:25:10

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Del has got a point. I would imagine that nearly every team outside the so called big 4 teams in the prem would have a list off decisions that went against them.Remember when we play Sheff utd last season?every decision went our way.The derby last season.I think it’s a case of you only remember the games where we never got anything,and not the ones where we got the majority of things going our way.Saying that though,I think the majority of derby games the shite have always got the major decisions go in their favour.
Rob Hollis
16   Posted 29/10/2007 at 14:44:44

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We all like to moan about the ref but Poll in the Arsenal game and the recent Derby are worthy of note in this respect.

If it was a horse race the police would be called in and the betting patterns checked....
David Siggers
17   Posted 29/10/2007 at 14:46:11

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I agree we seem to have a raw deal.However i feel all the so called "small" clubs are given a hard time against the so called "big four"
Brian Denton
18   Posted 29/10/2007 at 15:34:34

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The marathon injury-time cup tie against Man U was in Jan 1983, not 1982 as stated. I remember it particularly, as that weekend I
(i) Split up with a really fit girl;
(ii) had fifty quid fall out of my pocket
(iii) Got ran by Man U thugs almost all the way to Victoria

Younger readers may not relate to item (iii) - aah the good old days of football hooliganism - but they had better get used to Everton being part of the worst moments of your life. It goes with being a Blue!
Robbie Shields
19   Posted 29/10/2007 at 16:00:36

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Brian, I was at that game too with my dad and Grandad in the United end as we couldn’t get tickets for the Everton End. Lou Macari scored after about 10 minutes of extra time, genuinely the longest time added on I have EVER seen. I was sitting on the rails at the front of the United terracing and turned around to see my dad and Grandad covered in United fans junping up and down. Later we got back to the car and guess what, my grandads wallet had dissappeared.
Marc Arabella
20   Posted 29/10/2007 at 16:12:13

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To Liam, pity you could not just put your point of view across without a stupid ’clown’ content.
Your opinion is valid, but so is mine.
That is, allegedly, democracy!
Kevin Sparke
21   Posted 29/10/2007 at 16:33:04

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Ray, you are quite right it was Wiley... and Brian I gave the wrong year it was 1983 - I should have known that as the game took place 3 days after my daughter’s birth...

Brian Denton
22   Posted 29/10/2007 at 16:56:11

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Robbie, I think it was actually Frank Stapleton who scored, but I’m too lazy to Google it!
Jane Guest
23   Posted 29/10/2007 at 16:53:54

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This aside, can anyone out there tell me why toffeeweb has been offline since thursday?. I have tried in vain to get on and read the articules and individual points as i do each day, but have not be able to access these pages for four days now. Was it just a computer glitch or did anyone else experience these problems?


By the way, well done all involved on sunday. Derby may not be the most sternest of opposition but full credit for everyone who participated. Yakubu included. See you at luton on wednesday if youre going.
Robbie Shields
24   Posted 29/10/2007 at 17:35:53

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Brian, you might be right, Lou Macari sticks in my mind as I seem to recall he came on as a sub in injury time and the United fans got excited. I think he might have set it up for Stapleton to lob it in from the edge of the box! Bloody horrible noise when that went in I can tell you.
Lyndon Lloyd
Editorial Team
25   Posted 29/10/2007 at 17:58:39

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Jane: We had some database issues that prompted our hosts to suspend the site entirely to protect the other sites with which we share our server. Unfortunately, because their technical support is so abysmal, it took three days to get the situation hammered out and access to TW restored.
Steven A
26   Posted 29/10/2007 at 18:32:27

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If yesterdays game at Derby is anything to go by, Arteta won’t be getting many more free kicks this season. The reft must have been watching Channel 5 on Thursday where the ’beauts’ (I include you Mr Ratcliffe) highlighted to the whole nation that Arteta wins loads of freekicks with an after word of ’’ but how many of them are actual fouls’’

Forever Everton
27   Posted 29/10/2007 at 18:42:36

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And all said and done who really gives a toss.

The PFA - No
The Referee authority - No
The FA - No
The Premier League - No

The most infuriating part is that no-one will listen to us. Mr Clattenburg went on a pre-season tour with Liverpool and was given a signed shirt by the red shite.

Stinks of corruption to me!!!!! Not one of the guys at the FA or Premier League on their big salaries can work that out!!!!!

Mr Clattenburg - CHEAT!!!!
Eric L
28   Posted 29/10/2007 at 18:42:57

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In the main article it said that Jimmy Case made a bad tackle on Everton’s goalkeeper and Lyons got booked. When was this ? Who was the keeper ?
Case also ended an Everton defender’s career (Nulty) in the 1980 March derby didn’t he ?

Worst ref decision has to be the Liverpool own goal when David James scored into his own net from a goal kick. The rules of the game are either known or they are not by the referee. He didn’t know them in that case and ’hid’ behind the whistle. That is worse than missing an ’off-side/ or penalty as its knowledge based not perception based.
Kevin Sparke
29   Posted 29/10/2007 at 21:01:40

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Eric 1981.... it was an FA Cup tie at Goodison not sure who the keeper was, I think it might have been Arnold?

The score was 2 - 1

Eastoe and Varadi scored for Everton (Varadi should have had a shedful put kept bottling his shots on goal).

Ref Clive Thomas.... the ball was played through by Dagliesh and the goalie went down to smother the ball only for Jimmy ’shithouse’ Case to scythe forward with a late tackle - no intentions to play the ball it caught the Goalie straight in the midrift

Cue a melee of Everton players over Case... Lyons stamped on his leg and Souness ran a full 30 yards to punch Lyons in the back...

Thomas saw everything, wagged his finger at Case... ignored Souness... booked Lyons.

Another noteable incident is when Varadi scored he ran to the Paddock to celebrate and got a pork pie straight in the mush from an irate Kopite
James Byrne
30   Posted 29/10/2007 at 21:06:49

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Interesting read Kevin and it certainly makes you think!

I wonder if there is some sort of link between the FA, Referees and the BBC as they don’t show anywhere near enough coverage, if any sometimes after we have played on a weekend.

All we can do in future is play our game, create chances and score goals and shut the opposition up, as well as the officials; we seem to be relying too much on luck when decisions and points are not going our way.
Mark Stanley
31   Posted 29/10/2007 at 21:49:01

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We do get fucked by the refs more than most clubs, but when you you really need a result, you can always bribe the oppositions goalkeeper.

Hans Segars?
Eric L
32   Posted 29/10/2007 at 22:50:40

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I must admit I thought that Wimbeldon game where Everton won 3-2 to stay up in 1994 did make me feel awkward when I saw it.

John Fashinu is celebrating with the Everton bench when the final whistle goes ! Errr ... his side has just lost ..?!
robert treacy
33   Posted 30/10/2007 at 00:07:23

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wasnt it westerveld that kicked the ball off hutchison and into his own goal in a derby not JAMES.

ANYWAY WE ARE SCREWED BY REFS MORE OFTEN THAN NOT

i know we got a dodgy pen first game of last season against watford.

but it doesnt excuse them not giving us the following ten.

COYB
Jay W
34   Posted 30/10/2007 at 00:34:09

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The elite clubs, as the real power brokers in club football, won’t let go of the preferential refereeing that so favours them, so video technology will be robustly resisted by them.

Interesting how they were going on about parity measures such as wage ceilings and spending limitations being set in proportion to fanbase whenever Chelsea were winning the title two seasons in a row, but now that Man Utd are back and LFC have their own new owners that’s all gone.
David J
35   Posted 30/10/2007 at 01:43:55

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As a general rule of thumb, the priority of reffing decisions goes to firstly the big 4, then home clubs and premier league clubs against lower league clubs (if in cup games). That’s just anecdotal, but there you go. I commend Moyes for openly and persistently criticizing the ref from the derby. Clottenburg deserves it in this instance. I can think of a whole list of officials that I have a low opinion of. I even used to like the baldy Italian until a certain game against Villareal were he got his retirement package (alledgedly).

However, being unfortunately not in the presence of many blues...I can confirm from my friends and workmates that these woes are universal. How can the decisions be this bad for everyone? The time has definitely come for an alternative to one man in the middle and two on the sides with some random fourth bloke scalding managers who stand up and shout. Video refs? The ability to re-look at incidents that the ref has already judged on? None of this is that outlandish surely. We may not get back our point from the derby match, but at least we should have an honest appraisal of the refereeing by the refereeing panel that assessed the Clot’s performance. In fact is this accessible, and if not why not? Add your own list of reasonable suggestions that would not alter the essence of the game, or at least alter it to the good.

One thing I am sure of is that we will long be the victims and beneficeries of bad refereeing. One is as bad as the other in the long term. There is no reason why we should remember the name of another Clive Thomas in 20-30 odd years. To do so would be highly negligent of the powers that be in football.
Matthew Lim
36   Posted 30/10/2007 at 06:23:58

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Whatever the odds are against Everton, one thing I am certain of: that Everton will come out STRONGER.....when the going gets tough, the tough gets going...COYB!!!
robert carney
37   Posted 30/10/2007 at 10:57:33

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re. CliveThomas, how many people earlier that season remember Everton appealing aginst a decision on Thomas’s refereeing. I think a young David Jones was involved. Anyway after the hearing Thomas made a statement to the press saying our Chairman and managerwere wrong to challenge him in an appeal. He was mostly uptight about the chairman. To him maine Road was revenge is sweet.

That bastard who refeereed the derby was just morally corrupt. Totally influenced by his jolly to the far east and on record saying how wonderful the saint and sumi wrestler are as people.
Then they are represented by a limited company who will be out of buisness if they upset the running cart of the corporate gred which football now is.

Then you have Bardwick, Howard and Manure come to mind. The game is totally. fucking corrupt. Morally and Monetry.
Peter Venkman
38   Posted 30/10/2007 at 11:07:44

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Did anyone go to the old Filbert Street ground at Leicester in 1997 when Jeff Winter was in charge. A classic example of a game of two halves, by the referee that is. During the first 45, Cadamarteri nearly gets his face ripped off by Steve Walsh and no booking, Carl Tiler was taken out by another foxes player and no card, and then cadamarteri goes down in the area after another challenge by walsh but winter just waves play on.

Half time comes, and amidst the freezing mist i wonder what we are in for in the second half. - Something else really, as winter seems to have changed allegiances and certain home players take knocks and bumps from our boys but winter turns a blind eye. To crown it all, after some more laughable decisions, gary speed, im sure it was, falls over kasey kellers legs on the edge of the box and jeff gives us the chance to take all three points.

Duncan Lennard
39   Posted 30/10/2007 at 12:17:06

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Peter, I was at that Leicester game. Just before Xmas and we were bottom, if memory serves. Can’t remember much about the match other than thinking that Steve Walsh was a thug and Cadamarteri really bought that vital pen. But as numerous posters have said, those moments of Blue good fortune come around less often than Santa...
Peter Venkman
40   Posted 30/10/2007 at 12:59:20

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Yes duncan its becoming clearer now, it was in fact cadamartei who fell over kellers legs on the edge of the box, and being so foggy jeff must have seen something different and awards a penalty. Cue the worst penalty since roberto baggio but nonetheless speed scores and jeff blows for full time right from the kick off. In the post match interviews the then leicester manager Martin o neill bites his tongue while howard babbles on about "our first away win in eleven months"- and i end up getting lost in the mist somewhere near Stoke on trent.

All in all, a strange day, but it turned out alright in the end.
Erin Kane
41   Posted 30/10/2007 at 15:04:52

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Just in case anyone things the world is against us and we never get any breaks, I can as clear as yesterday remember sitting in the gwladys street during the last game of the 1993/94 season.

Even from where i was seated even i could see dave watson wrapped around dean holdsworth like an overcoat in our area at the other end (which was under construction at the time), not to mention a blatant graham stuart handball on the everton goal-line which the referee, "muppet?" robbie hart somehow missed but then saw fit to give us a penalty when anders limpar fell over on the six yard line.

Incidentally the dons were promsied a trip to Las Vegas by then chairman sam hammam if they emerged victorious that day. It was in turn thanks to the likes of Barry Horne and yes, Hans Segers that everton gambled, and in turn, in front of a "full house"- got a royle flush!
Jack Calvert
42   Posted 30/10/2007 at 15:53:52

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In reference tothat ref (walton I think) in the home game vs watford - afterwards he came out and genuinely apologised for his mistake

Also we too have been guilty of giving officials signed shirts - dermott gallacher just prior to the sheff utd hime game...
Joe Ludden
43   Posted 30/10/2007 at 18:47:51

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Hey the lone gunman couldn’t have done it - google "the magic bullet" part of that conspiracy. The mighty Everton being mugged week in and week out is no theory though. Every fan at the derby should get a refund courtesy of the FA under trade description acts. PS. 9/11 was an inside job and the CIA knocked off Monroe. It’s all true.
Strewth
44   Posted 30/10/2007 at 19:39:27

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The last Derby game summed up all there is to be said about our luck with Refs. Even the reds I know felt embarrassed. Some even worried they’d used up too much of their lucky bastards quota. They needn’t have worried it was there still there in abundance vs Arsenal with two rebounds off the post not converted and again Carragher getting away it. Is there no end to their get out of jail cards!!??
Jimmy Roy
45   Posted 30/10/2007 at 19:18:23

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It is True, most teams (outside the "big 4") get good & bad decisions at times. It is quite well known that L,pool players have indeed for many years been told to "harrass the Ref for everything & in time they will give way". However in almost 60yrs of watching football the Derby was the most blatently biased, I suspect even corrupt display I have ever seen. Yes I saw the Clive Thomas debacles and many others, but nothing compares to the Clattenberg disgrace... Be fair to Moyes he has tried to stir it up,he has made comments that would normally have had him facing a charge of disrepute, but nothing has been done or said to him, WHY ??? Because the easy way for the FA to deal with it is, just ignore it ,say nothing and hope it will fade away, do’ing Moyes would only resurrect it all & allow more views into the open. Don’t let them take the easy way keep going on about keep having a go at the papers. Everton should perhaps demand he never handles one of our games again refusung responsibilty for what may happen if he walks out at Goodison again, maybe even threaten not to play in a game if that cheating "B" officiates. Without any doubt whatsoever the least there should be is an open enquiry. It realy does make you wonder just how corrupt and money-oriented Premier league football is. There is obviously absolute contempt for " US " the paying customer...
Steve Hogan
46   Posted 30/10/2007 at 22:47:05

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Kevin, I could’nt let your article pass without commenting on your article with regards to Joe Worrall the referee.

Sorry mate, but I know Joe personally and he is one of the most honest guys on and off the field I know.

Having resided in Warrington most of his life, it’s not too unreal to expect his sons to support Man Utd!!

Your suggestion that he was somehow bent does him a diservice and only highlites your own paranoia.

This guy officiated right at the top level throughout Britain and Europe and remains one of the most modest and humble men I know,

Sorry, but your way off the mark with your insinuations.
Kevin Sparke
47   Posted 30/10/2007 at 23:06:33

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Steve, read what I said fella:

"I remember in 1982 Joe Worrall awarding about 11 minutes of injury time at an Old Trafford cup tie? ?play until Manchester United score?, was the order of the day... Did I mention that both Joe’s sons were Manchester United season ticket holders"

1. Did he or did he not play an extended amount of injury time?

2. Was there or was there not any significant breaks for injury to any player (because I was there and I don’t remember any?)

It was YOU who made the assumption he was ’bent’ from that paragraph and perhaps from some residue from the event in question?

YOU who put two and two together and came up with five

YOU who is perhaps displaying a significant amount of paranioa eh Steve?

Particularly as you seem to be unable to discern between a tongue in cheek resume of our history with refs and a serious insinuation of corruption...

Read the last line sunshine :-)


One last point - If you’ve got a lad who’s a blue and you were a ref in a derby match... would you not even be slighty tempted to bend the rules a bit... and even if you had no intentions of doing so... should you really be placed in that position in the first place?
andrew john lenwey
48   Posted 31/10/2007 at 01:19:52

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you forgot to mention the phrase that usually follows any complaints about referees; "still, these things even themselves up over a season dont they?"
Steve Hogan
49   Posted 31/10/2007 at 10:02:58

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Kevin, thanks for the back-handed compliment, at 51 it’s along time since I have been called sunshine!

I too was at that game at Old Trafford, and without trawling thru old footage of match of the day from 1982, neither you or I can say with total certainty how much stoppage time there was or the reasons why?

Poor old Everton eh, always on the end of some referees vendetta against them.

Funny how the victims of such occurences (and the one in question was over 25 years ago) can always recall in great detail how they or their team was wronged and how the authorities continue to conspire against them.

For someone who claims not to believe in conspiracy theories you give a pretty good case for the opposite.



Richard Flaherty
50   Posted 31/10/2007 at 15:52:14

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with regard to that manchester united cup tie, without looking up statistics or using reference pages, from what i can remember wasnt it a Fa cup quarter final in 1983. Frank stapleton scored for them late on, and they went on to win it (thank you Gordon Smith). I dont want to sound over pedantic but i am an everton supporter of many years and any results against us in the distant past i like to be accurate. And if that Joe worrall was the referee that day, im sure hes the same one who took charge of the 1989 cup final against the red shite.

A great game of football, impartial refereeing and stuart mccalls finest two hours. Too bad we had to lose. The events of hillsborough had made that game play out on a sombre mood.
Keith Glazard
51   Posted 31/10/2007 at 18:00:42

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The baldy Italian, Collina, reffed his last match at the Madragal when he denied Big Dunc a perfect goal for being Big Dunc.

But not because of that

The Italian fefs told him not to take money (for adverts) from Italian team owners. He said I will do what I like. They said you can only ref second division games. As he was, according to him, the best ref in the world, he fucked off and took the money.

In a funny kind of way, he reminds me of Ellery, that public school master who always thought he must be right.

Back in the days when Leeds won by cutting everything off at knee hight, the refs thought them ’hard but fair’ and they got away with close to murder. The RS took this up and have prospered (until they brought in continentals who thought they should be euros).

I was in Spain and the derby was shown (free, as many games are) on TVE2, live. I can follow some of the commentary, but I saw with my own eyes Carragher shouting at a ref for what seemed like minutes. And then went back for another go. Nothing. And I saw Kuyt (pron. Kundt) leap two-footed at an opponent. Yellow.

Moyes said what he’d seen, and what he thought. Of course he was right, and he wont be challenged.

Let’s just hope that the next ref who thinks we don’t matter might just think again.

KG

harry charles
52   Posted 01/11/2007 at 12:44:10

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Clattenberg was the best new ref we have had for many years,which is why his sudden change of fair reffering since he has come on the FIFA refs panel, and his hoilday and signed stev G shirt, tells you lengths the top three and liverpool 6th will go too.The corruption with refs and teams being taken over by overseas companys,is bringing wide spread betting and corruption into the game.
Ray Robinson
53   Posted 01/11/2007 at 22:02:49

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Here’s my take on the subject for what it’s worth. I do believe that we get the wrong end of the stick more often than most when we play the "Big Four" but I don’t believe there’s a conspiracy. Here are my explanations:

Some referees re starstruck and reluctant to give decisions against "celebrity" players. Guess which teams have the most celebrities? This is not the actions of the corrupt, it’s unfortunately human nature for some to behave slightly sycophantically when confronted with a well known personality.

Secondly, the better teams tend to get the ball into the opposition penalty area more often - also at speed and on the ground, where it’s easier to "spot a trip, push etc. If you play hoofball, it’s harder to get a decision in the box as it’s nearly always six of one and half a dozen of the other. Moral of the story, the more you attack with pace and quality, the more likelihood of getting a penalty.

Thirdly - and this is where we do score highly, the referee, despite trying to put it to the back of his mind, Is influenced by the home crowd. The more intimidating it is, the more likely a decision is to go for you. Ok, I slightly destroy my own argument here by Clattenburg’s failure to give a foul against Carragher on Lescott but you get my drift over many seasons ...

If I thought corruption was at the core of the bad refereeing I’d give up watching football tomorrow Usually it’s just bad decisions made by a referee who has one angle only, or a split second to make a decision before it becomes "too late" to make it.

Solutions? More than one official, use of video technololgy where appropriate and the FA to stamp down on referees being accosted by protesting players.

Will this stamp out bad refereeing decisions altogether? No, it won’t. Sometimes decent officials (and I rated Clattenberg in this category before the derby match) simply have a bad day at the office.

Yes, we do appear to suffer many injustices but I’ve a Bolton mate who still fumes about the ball that crossed the line at the Reebok when we drew 0-0 and ultimately stayed up on goal difference at the expense of his beloved team. Tell him that Everton are hard done to.
Ralph Basnett
54   Posted 02/11/2007 at 00:06:19

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We could introduce technology, but then we would have nothing to chat about.

Or we could tell the so called big 4 to f%£k off to a Euro League and get back to good old fashioned football.

But then the next big 4 would get the decisions, then we could send them to a Euro League and get back to good old fashion football.

But then the next big 4 would get the decision, then we could send them to a Euro League and get back to good old fashion football.

Then I could watch the Queen Vic Versus the Ford 1st 11 and still moan.

What is done is done.

Cherish the fact that we don’t get the decisions, and that if we did AJ would have scored 30 last season and that what we acheive in the future is not dictated by dodgy decsions but on merit....


If their are any KEIOC reading could they please explain how an aeroplane flying over GP and Redshite supporters wearing KEIOC T-Shirts dishing out lollipops is going to K E I O C is going to help please enlighten me?

Ever thought about some kind of fan support share issue or saving the dosh you are throwing away to help instead of hinder the move.

Are you Redshite wh own a local chippie or just plain scared of progress??

Move on and let the club move on.
george
55   Posted 04/11/2007 at 16:09:24

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good article. Also would like to point out the derby in which westerveld kicked the ball upfield, only for it to hit don hutchinson on the back and rebound in. What happened? that prick graham poll blew the final whistle before the goal had been scored. cheating cunts


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