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Deal or No Deal?

By Jon  Livesey :  07/01/2008 :  Comments (35) :

Every now and then a public figure utters a phrase that almost immediately finds its way into our everyday language. In 1920 when Manhattan-based sportswriter, John Joseph Fitz Gerald decided to name his column in The New York Morning Telegraph ?Big Apple? ? I am almost certain he would not have envisaged the term being used synonymously with his home state almost 90 years later. Similarly, thanks to Roy Keane?s post-match comments in 2000, we now all know the Manchester United home support to be ?The Prawn Sandwich Brigade?.

In recent years there have been two instances of this kind of utterance, with particular reference to Everton that are now embedded in my mind. The first occurred within days of David Moyes?s arrival on Merseyside when he affectionately referred to us as ?The People?s Club? and in doing so, built an instant rapport with the Goodison faithful. Before he had time to add that kopites are gobshites and Bob Latchford is the footballing equivalent of Ron Jeremy, he had the Everton fans onside and T-shirts bearing his kind words had already been printed. What?s more, Liverpool fans were scrambling around, looking for statistics upon which to base their counter-argument. This was Moyes?s first victory as Everton Manager.

The second instance happened in the summer just gone. Out of nowhere, Bill Wyness announced that two of our most influential and sought-after players, Mikel Arteta and Tim Cahill had committed to long-term contracts. This information was introduced to Everton fans along with everyone else amid a great deal of speculation that they would be departing Everton and up to that point we had not seen or heard much in the way of an assurance from the club that the rumours were unfounded.

Wyness second-guessed the fans, pre-supposing their shocked reaction to this slightly unexpected news and said that the club had been working very hard behind the scenes. I am the first to admit that I was relatively surprised by the news and I must add that I was also very pleased by it. I read Wyness?s words about the hard work that went on behind closed doors and it was music to my ears. Now, if he had only continued to concede that our business conduct has not always gone as expected in the not so distant past and then re-assured us that this was the beginning of a new era in which we would be ultra-professional in that department. He would then have earned my respect and (some of) my trust.

However, he showed great naivety and an ignorance to recent club history when he went on to say that they had conducted the deals in the ?Everton way.? Is Mr Wyness a masochist? His comments would suggest so because they were the equivalent of allowing Duncan Ferguson another half hour with the lads who burgled his house. They paved the way for fans to issue a torrent of reality checks.

The Everton way does not normally involve working hard behind the scenes to close massive deals in private. Anyone who has followed football over last 10 years can vouch for that. It would be interesting to see how many articles about Everton?s business conduct over the last decade have also included the words, ?ongoing saga? (without referring to the senior members of the squad?s choice of insurance).

First there was Sean Davis (oh how I rejoice at the fact that deal never came to fruition) and the whole will he or won?t he sign saga. While I appreciate that this was due to concerns about his troublesome knee, the club could have made a better attempt to conceal the finer details of the deal until it was complete. The Wayne Rooney saga also seemed to go on forever and eventually culminated in a legal battle between him and the manager who handed him his Premier League debut.

The proposed transfer of Mikael Forssell is another example of a deal that went on and on before inevitably collapsing and becoming yet another victim of the Everton way. Again, I realise this was due to further tests on his knee and again, I am glad it did eventually fall through. My point is that our deals are laborious affairs that are hardly ever quick and do often collapse. Even the deal to bring Joleon Lescott to Everton threatened to go the same way, before we eventually tied it up. How common is it for an Everton source to issue a statement assuring fans that a deal has been agreed for a certain player, which will be concluded later that week and how common is it for that week to turn into 3 or 4?

I realise that due to the nature of contracts today, deals take longer to be finalised than they did in the past and I also realise that Everton have a pretty cautious approach to buying players. My gripe is at Wyness for saying that the Everton way is something that it generally is not.

Why am I recalling this issue to the surface? It is old news I hear you say, but it is actually very current because whatever it is that is happening with the Manuel Fernandes saga echoes exactly what has gone on before.

There is still a fair bit of mystery surrounding what went on in the summer. I can only speculate about the reasons behind the player eventually joining Valencia. Some may argue that our manager regressed back to being ?Dithering Dave? and justified Thomas Radzinski?s parting shot that ?anyone who knows David Moyes knows he can?t make a decision.? Others may say we were right to be cautious about the third-party ownership and the transfer fee.

Whether the blame lies with the player or the club, I do not know. What is apparent is that Valencia stumped up the cash and he became their player very quickly without them mentioning the issue of third-party ownership. Did Fernandes grow tired of waiting for us to complete the deal or did we not show a great enough desire to make him an Everton player?

The fact is that we are back where we were in August. There is a growing amount of speculation that he has signed for us again on loan or that he will sign as soon as a medical has been completed. However, this speculation has arrived after Moyes publicly quashed the rumours. We have seen quotes from Ian Ross saying we are signing him, but no official confirmation from Everton. Stories appear on Sky Sports, but then they are taken off shortly after. Someone is telling fibs. It is the saga of all sagas.

There is no denying that football fans are often fickle. I?ve been guilty of it myself, voicing murderous thoughts and proclamations of love in the same breath about infuriating players like Thomas Gravesen or James McFadden. No doubt some of those who lambasted Fernandes for his decision to join Valencia in the summer are now hoping he re-signs and will embrace him with open arms. The speed at which some individuals forget is astonishing.

I refrained from criticising the player at the time because the only thing that was clear to me was the fact that this was not an ordinary transfer saga. Ask me now whether I want him to re-sign for us on loan and I will say yes. I?d be prepared to overlook his recent arrest as an anomaly and place my trust in Moyes to keep him on the straight and narrow. He is a player for whom we might just have been the second choice, but he is a potentially world-class and an entertaining player who is better than what we already have. We don?t play through the middle very often, instead we work the ball out wide and switch play more than most Premier League sides because that is where our true quality lies. Fernandes provides us with an option to look inside and extends the variety of our attacking play. As a person, I do not claim to know much about him. As a player, I like him and that is what matters the most to me.

What I would like to happen more than anything else though is for the saga to come to an end one way or another. I implore Everton to end the ambiguity and make the decision to re-sign the player on loan or put it to bed for good. I suspect I may have to wait until 31st January for this to happen. But then there is always the summer?.

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Chris Davies
1   Posted 08/01/2008 at 07:03:43

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?I implore Everton to end the ambiguity?. This quote sums up the article. You sound like a desperate schoolboy imploring your parents to tell you that Santa Claus does exist. There are always reasons why transfers don?t happen the way we want them to. Look at your examples above, (Forsell, Lescott), there were concerns about both deals for medical reasons. Look at the history of Forsell?s career since and you?ll see the concerns were justified.

The Fernandes deal is problematic because of all sorts of reasons that would take an enquiry of Watergate proportions to get to the bottom of. That?s just the way it is in this news hungry, internet speculation driven age we live in. Perhaps Everton don?t have the power to ?end? the ambiguity. Perhaps its out of the clubs hands but they still want the player for the reasons you gave above so they hang on in there; meanwhile we all get frustrated but that?s our problem. There is a personal reponsibility we have, not to be drawn in to all the media driven hype. Ian Ross makes a ?cock up? when talking to a reporter . Take a deep breath and think ?he made a mistake?. You?ll feel better for it!

Jon Livesey
2   Posted 08/01/2008 at 07:37:13

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Chris Davies loves teh cock
Jon Livesey
3   Posted 08/01/2008 at 07:37:13

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Chris Davies loves teh cock
Paul Olsen
4   Posted 08/01/2008 at 07:03:11

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Amen Jon!

We’re a weird, weird club when it comes to transfers.
Michael Brien
5   Posted 08/01/2008 at 07:31:55

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There has always been transfer speculation and as long as football is played there probably always will be. I recall reading in the summer of 1972 in one of the tabloids about Trevor Francis being a " transfer target" for Harry Catterick. I was 14 at the time, but even so I thought it was too good to be true !!
Personally I would be happy if we signed Fernandes or Steve Hunt or Downing or any or all of the players that we have been "linked" with.
However as somebody once said" the only surprising thing about football is that people get surprised about things that happen in football" - or words to that effect.
It seems that the level of speculation increases the closer you get to a "transfer window". The only thing to do is to have a "wait and see" attitude. I don’t blame David Moyes or Keith Wyness - we are living in the era of the players agents and all that entails - so I would advise to treat the transfer speculation as just that - speculation.Don’t believe that the player has signed ( whoever he is ) until it’s a done deal.
Mark Stone
6   Posted 08/01/2008 at 08:09:13

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The problem is the press and fans - not the club. The press are one’s shouting about that Fernandes is set to join when Moyes has come out and firmly stated that he knows nothing about it - and the fans are the ones shouting - let’s get him etc etc.

I praise the ’Everton Way’ which I believe is a policy of staying quiet until a deal is signed. From one fan to another I would recommend you ignore the rumour mills of this world and stick to what you hear from the club regarding transfers. The only thing I have heard from the club is about Gosling.

If Fernandes does sign - it will be the result of hard work behind the scenes and will be a welcome surprise to me.
Alan Willo
7   Posted 08/01/2008 at 08:00:07

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Hi Jon, do you have a problem sleeping or are you just 45, single, and still living with your Mum? Today we play in a semi-final and i cant wait to get to the Bridge and feel the emotion of EFC possibly playing at the new Wembley. Who will be the new Mountfield, Sheedy or will Hibbert to a Matt Jackson at the near post?? These are questions and thoughts that should be playing with your sleep not war and peace about newspaper or internet spin. Don't worry about things you cant control, when dealing with the modern day agents they feed the press daily for two reasons. 1) Keeps other parties aware that the deal has not gone through, remember the Cahill deal we stole him off Palace! 2) Value of the palyer. Whilst its in the interest of the agent and player to stay public the the club will always be trying to cover up possible leaks so EFC most cases cant control the information so accept it only when pen reached paper! COYB Wembley!!!!!!!!
Mark Mccann
8   Posted 08/01/2008 at 08:39:02

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Manny Fernandes, a good player.
What do we want , a good player or a saint.
I think he made a mistake not joining us at the start of the season, but then again we all make mistakes , some more than most..... just ask Rafa.
Still, he is better than some players we have in midfield at the moment.
I think we should try and sign him now.


Andrew Fletcher
9   Posted 08/01/2008 at 08:47:30

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Jon

The Simple facts are that when a club borrows money the way we do to purchase players, then, those that lend the money require full guarantees that their investment is sound. Think of lending on bricks and mortar, you have to have a survey done if you dont want the possibility of it crumbling around your knees.

So, a thorough medical is done, all the paperwork has to be checked over by our lawyers then the players.

Would you want to sign Lescott, knowing his bad knee history without checking him out ? I certainly wouldn’t.

Bringing players in quickly just to apease the fans isn’t very business like in my opinion.
Danny Militwitch
10   Posted 08/01/2008 at 09:04:12

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Chris Davies, I must thank you for summing up my sentiments exactly regarding Jon Liveseys post.
What an impatient verging on arrogant post from Jon. Unless he is Bully Wyness in disguise how do you know what goes on behind the scenes. Why should Everton FC be the only club to show their hand when it comes to transfer dealings. We speculate, I will be the first to hold my hand up when we get linked to anybody I am like a scouse sherlock holmes scouring the net for witness accounts or footage of the linked player, but I do not demand for one minute that Davie Moyes should come out and publicly tell me of his intentions.
We were linked throughout the summer with Nugent, Richardson, Barton, Smith, and Lucho Gonzalez. We didn’t get a single one-so what-We did get Yakubu, and Pienaar. Quality I think you will agree. Why dont you swallow some of that bullshit you spout and turn it into something a little more constructive on the eve of our semi final cup tie.
Art Greeth
11   Posted 08/01/2008 at 08:21:59

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I?m sorry Jon, but this is an embarrassingly poor article.

First, whilst David Moyes first utterance as the Everton manager labelling us ?The People?s Club? has most definitely ingrained itself in Scouse culture (and helped fill the club?s coffers with related merchandise), I don?t agree with you that the phrase ?The Everton Way? has.

That is neither here nor there. But that you attribute the quote to Wyness is, given all the more so your comments on the subject. Follow this link from the OS:

http://www.evertonfc.com/news/archive/duo-agree-new-long-term-deals.html

It was Bill Kenwright who ? quite legitimately, IMO ? coined this phrase, no doubt borrowed from ?The Everton Way? coaching system that the club is marketing.

You compound this basic error with poor examples of EFC?s transfer policy in an attempt to prop up whatever your argument is meant to be (and having read your article a couple of times, I?m really not clear just WHAT you are trying to say...).

Sean Davis WAS a saga. In the wake of that one David Moyes publicly stated that he had learnt from the experience and that he would never again place himself in such a situation, waiting until the last moment on the fitness of a transfer target. He has kept to that.

The Wayne Rooney ?saga? did NOT go on forever. There was media speculation following Euro 2004, but only when the barcodes slapped in a bid barely a week before the transfer deadline did that alert Manure and the deal was done and dusted very rapidly thereafter once it was apparent we could not hold onto the lad and that he was not going to sign a contract extension. And just how does the Rooney situation support your argument about INCOMING players, I simply don?t follow.

Your next example of Mikael Forssell is another poor example. Due diligence by the club ensured we did not sign a dud, injury prone player as his subsequent history has shown. Then you mention the Joleon Lescott transfer. I have absolutely no recall of any doubts or delays over this one, so IMO you are fabricating ?facts? to suit your dubious point.

You even recognize in your own article that ?due to the nature of contracts today, deals take longer to be finalised than they did in the past and I also realise that Everton have a pretty cautious approach to buying players?. So? just WTF is this article actually trying to say?

Ah! Your ?gripe is at Wyness for saying that the Everton way is something that it generally is not?. Well, as I have already pointed out, you attribute to Wyness something he didn?t say and essentially, I totally disagree with your observation any way. There is a huge difference between the speculation that circulates in the media and what actually emerges from the club. You appear to be attributing to the club media speculation. In general, EFC DO play their cards close to their chest.

So we come to your final example ? the Manuel Fernandes ’saga’? and conveniently overlook the very real circumstances associated with the player.

As someone who is based in Portugal, I can assure you the volte face by Benfica over Manu?s transfer took the Portuguese public by surprise. What we do know is the 3rd party agreement complicated matters, all the more so in the wake of the Carlos Tavez case; that Manu had trained with the squad that week; that he was guest of honour at the Blackburn game signing autographs. Yet within 24 hours he was a Valencia player.

Now you, without knowing the full circumstances, allude to here the offensive ?Dithering Dave? moniker; say Valencia stumped up the cash ?without them mentioning the issue of third-party ownership? which ignores the fact in Spain the rules allow for it; speculate that Manu ?grew tired of waiting for us to complete the deal because we did not show a great enough desire to make him an Everton player?. He?d trained with us for a week, FFS. The club spoke about him being an Everton player in 24 hours!!! No. The club was blameless, IMO. There was a lack of integrity, transparency and honesty in this deal, but EFC was the victim, not the perpetrator.

And now you say ?we are back where we were in August?. As you yourself note, Moyes publicly quashed the rumours, that there has been no official confirmation from Everton about our interest or not. Is THAT not demonstrating ?the Everton Way? you are attempting to ridicule?

Possibly, just possibly, Manu may well be on his way back to us. And possibly, just possibly, he might well have already returned to the fold but for the extraordinary circumstances of his recent arrest and all that entails. By Spanish law, he cannot currently leave the country until the charges against him ? the alleged theft of a watch from another client in a bar ? have been investigated.

Now I have followed the story on Portuguese TV. I have posted the link to that video on TW. And it?s a messy business, because it entails the Spanish police and charges of racism by them and members of the Spanish public in relation to Manu. It is yet one more complication that is simply not of Everton’s making!

So in conclusion I have to repeat: Jon ? this was a poorly researched and poorly constructed article.
Micky Norman
12   Posted 08/01/2008 at 09:14:20

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Papers have column inches to fill and now we have the likes of Sky with airtime to fill.The Everton way doesn’t suit them so they’ll dig around and make stuff up from the tiniest rumours. if we had bags of cash we could do things their way, ie spread the word, tempt the player then charge in with stupid money. As it is we have to be more careful with medicals, legal arrangements,borrowing money and such like. Personally I’m much happier that we don’t pay silly money for average players who have a purple patch and then move on for big money.Contrast us with the RS- 60 full time professional players on their books! Most bought pretty quickly and produced a two minute piece on Sky Sports and a disappearing act to follow. I know which way I trust more.
Mike Oates
13   Posted 08/01/2008 at 11:35:55

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Two discussion points
(i) If the club hasnt the finances to buy a "quality" midfielder in this transfer window . Moyes will try a secure some sort of loan deal which perhaps has a get out clause at the end of it to actually off-load the player back, if he fails in his loan period.
I’m convinced that Moyes isnt fully sure on Fernades at this time due to his football abilities, fitness, ability to mix with the rest of the squad,etc - but if Valencia will agree to a loan then Fernades is an option. Though this latest issue with the Spanish police/courts could well have scuppered any deal whatsoever particularly if he isnt availabe until end January.
(ii) If the club has got some monies available then I’m sure that Moyes would rather spend it on someone like Downing from Middlesborough - was and possibly still can be an International player, squeaky clean , and I suspect he wont have any trouble in settiling into Moyes "team ethics" culture.

Question is - Do we have cash available or dont we ?
Brian Waring
14   Posted 08/01/2008 at 11:44:44

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Wasn’t it the ’Everton way’ that nearly fucked up the signing of Arteta?
Shaun Brennan
15   Posted 08/01/2008 at 11:56:53

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The Everton way. Yeah, remeber the eve of the transfer window. All that talk about Riquelme. Sky sports outside goodsion. Wyness on television. You see Publicity is publicity. They love it. It makes them out to be trying their upmost. Wyness is typical of the business world. Lots of talk and nothing to back it up.
David OBrien
16   Posted 08/01/2008 at 12:03:04

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We are no different from loads of other clubs, Utd took an eon to sort the Tevez deal out, and in the end did a loan deal with the full contract coming at the end of this season. The Everton way however was a joke of a phrase. I immediately thought of bad management, under achievement and a failure to look facts in the face.
Terry Maddock
17   Posted 08/01/2008 at 11:59:38

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Shaun and brian, I sugged you read Art Greeth?s riposte to the above post rather than (once again) just coming out and ageeing with any "anti-Moyes/Wyness" pieces of drivel that oh so often get allowed on here......The brothers grimm were more factual in their stories
Ian Trickett
18   Posted 08/01/2008 at 12:07:36

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I think the most recent case to prove the point has to be the Leighton Baines transfer. The lad was desperate to join us and o.k we haggled over the fee a little but fair enough. What really got to me was that it seemed to take weeks from getting him in for talks, to having a mediclal then him appearing as a guest at one of our matches. You could be forgiven for assuming he would be unvieled within 24 hours or so but no! it dragged on and on in what we all know to be the Everton way. Im sure I am not alone in thinking that most other clubs swoop for their targets and get the deal done quickly. I dont know who the solicitors are at EFC but i have bought houses in less time!
Tom Griffiths
19   Posted 08/01/2008 at 12:33:27

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I agree with Chris Davis - you’re talking rubbish here Jon. The examples you gave for Moyes’ dithering are invalid for the medical reasons that Chris quotes ... and conversely to your argument, Moyes should be praised for being vigilant with this, so we didn’t get stung with another Bilic ... Danny Williamson etc. The Lescott transfer took a while granted, but purely because the men with the authority to underwrite the deal were away on a rare holiday ... and Lescott is apparently a man of his word (unlike Fernandes, Roy Keane etc.) and doesn’t contemplate other offers after they’ve accepted another one. I do agree that the club’s communication needs to be consistent - you can’t have one man saying ’yes’ and another ’no’ ... unless it’s some kind of complicated bluff (personally I’d welcome Fernandes back ... who knows what influence his ’owners’ have over him, we’ve all heard rumours about Kanchelskis.
Stan Sheppard
20   Posted 08/01/2008 at 12:40:40

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Art: that was a well written, comprehensive and informative post. Very harsh on Jon but then again you backed up your points extremely well. many thanks.
Paul Coleman
21   Posted 08/01/2008 at 16:00:08

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Its obvious Everton are trying to sign Manuel and there are complications that we will not know about until/if the transfer goes through.
David Moyes was just playing it cool last week because of what happened in the summer.
If Moyes was not interested in Manuel then he would have said something like "I am not interested in signing Manuel Fernandes, he will not be coming to Everton FC during January".
The fact of the matter is that if Fernandes is signed, then it will be on EFC.com and until that time comes I am ignoing all the rumours, transfer politics etc and concentrating on the upcoming fixture list starting tonight with Chelsea!!
Eric Hardman
22   Posted 08/01/2008 at 16:46:43

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The point is we don’t need Fernandes at the end of the month we need him or someone now. If we don’t win the next two games we’ll be left with one competition to concentrate on. The deal for Fernandes or someone should have been done a week ago. Moyes has had months to line it up. The Everton way is to dither until the opportunity is lost.
kevin molloy
23   Posted 08/01/2008 at 17:05:42

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Jesus, what a whinger!
You Sir, have found your spiritual home
Paul Gittens
24   Posted 08/01/2008 at 17:37:58

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With the club supposedly saying yes, but the manager saying no, Im just wondering whether the rumours about Yakubu being bought by the club and not the manager could have a little truth to them, and Im wondering if the same may be happening again?

Anyways, manu abviously has some sort of issues to sort out in Spain, and i firmly believe a player of his quality is worth waiting for, hence why he hasnt come just yet.
Ray Mia
25   Posted 08/01/2008 at 17:21:11

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Art - Brilliant.

Jon, The Big Apple: A documented earlier use comes from the 1909 book The Wayfarer in New York by Edward S. Martin. He wrote (regarding New York) that the rest of the United States "inclines to think the big apple gets a disproportionate share of the national sap."

Also, the term refers to Manhattan Island, 1 of the 5 Boroughs of the City of New York, in New York State - which has the name The Empire State.

This is a poor column, which attempts to point fingers. Check any football website, unofficial or not, and you will find every club in Sky Premiershipland has turned the signing of players into torrid drawn out affairs.
Francis Munoz
26   Posted 08/01/2008 at 18:09:29

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I have just returned to the UK from Valencia, whilst at the Airport the Valencia Football squad were checking in to travel to Betis ( Seville) for a Spanish Copa del Rey tie.
No sign of M.Fernandes, he did not travel and ’Marca’ the Spanish Football daily has stated that he is not training with the current first team having fallen out with the current Manager. Marca states that his transfer to Everton is only waiting for t’s to be crossed and I’s to be dotted.
Blake Welton
27   Posted 08/01/2008 at 23:05:09

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I can’t comment too much about this article because I am not an Everton fan only a follower of football....

However deals are a slow and laborious process sometimes and Everton have perhaps just struck unlucky in the past.

Like ’Guinness’ though good things come to those who wait and the signings Moyes has made make many other Premiership clubs jealous...

I was a little perturbed by your attitude towards Manuel Fernandes recent arrest, labelling them ’an anomaly’. Perhaps it was this sort of ’anomaly’ that was overlooked in the signing of Andy van Der Meyde....

As an Ajax player he was a joy to behold but obvious a young man with problems - weeks before Everton signed him he collapsed after a game citing dehydration when there was more than a whiff of foul play....

Perhaps these ’anomalies’ shouldn’t be overlooked and caution is the key...
Michael Brien
28   Posted 09/01/2008 at 07:12:48

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I can understand Jon’s frustration as it seems that our transfer deals are always long and protracted.In reality I am sure that we are probably no better or worse than the majority of other clubs.
The expression "The Everton Way" - I think has its origins with Harry Catterick in the 1960’s. He gained something of a " cloak and dagger" reputation as on several occassions players moved to Everton when they were expected to go to other clubs.
For instance, Alex Scott was supposed to be on his way to Spurs when Catterick intervened and he was an Everton signing. I was only 9 at the time, but I think I have most of the facts right re Alan Ball and Howard Kendall. I seem to recall that Alan Ball was expected to move to Leeds Utd from Blackpool and Howard Kendall was going to Anfield from Deepdale. As we all know they moved to Goodison to become Everton Legends.
However, even at that time there was rumour and speculation. In Oct/Nov 1968 we were supposed to be after Scottish striker Colin Stein.As Joe Royle was going well - the only reason I think we were interested in Stein was that Jimmy Husband had been clobbered by Dave Mackay in a League Cup tie at Goodison. It was a "tackle" that deserved 2 red cards. Anyway, Stein ended uo going to Ibrox.
A couple of years later and Preston’s Archie Gemmill was an Everton "target".He eventually went to Brian Clough’s Derby County and we had to wait 28 years for a member of the Gemmill family to come to Goodison !!
Basically beleive the transfer when you see the picture in the Echo/Daily Post of the bloke holding up an Everton shirt/waving an Everton scarf. Personally I think David Moyes has a good record in the transfer market - he has brought in some good ’uns. I think we can forgive the odd failure, after all don’t mention Eric Djemba-djemba to any of the Prawn Sandwich munchers or that Italian keeper they signed a few years ago !!
We probably all have our "transfer wish lists" - but often the best deals are the ones for players we maybe have not really considered. Hands up if Steven Pienaar was on anyones "Goodison wish list" ? I don’t think many Evertonians would have thought last summer - " we need to sign Pienaar". Trust in Moyes - he may not always get it right ( too many changes in the team for the F.A. Cup) but I think he gets it right more often than he gets it wrong.
Declan McCarthy
29   Posted 09/01/2008 at 10:47:28

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Good article Jon, we were not fernandes’s second chocie though,he was ours I think we wanted to sign Porto’s Gonzalez,irvine clearly stated the fault was not with Fernandes, he stayed as long as he could,why would any player tarin for 2 weeks and then go somewhere else, the contract was to be signed in 24 hours,there was no contarct due to Valencia comming in to pay Benfica their asking price of ?18 and MSL still keeping 50% ownership, the situation Fernandes finds himself in now is difficult,hopefully on Friday we will know more after the courtcase,stupid thing he done and for all of us Evertonians who rate him highly a massive blow to our belief in him, I don’t beleive we will ever see him again in an Everton jersey, our loss, and as far as transfers and loans go,I don.t recall too many deals in my 45 years as a supporter of the club ever running too smoothly,agents have complicated the game and really we need to have them removed from the game if possible,look forward to further articles from you Jon.
Andy Gilligan
30   Posted 09/01/2008 at 12:34:46

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what ever happens, happens. if we signed him i would wonder what the hell Moyes was thinking. Did he snub a move to Everton or was there more to it than we know? If it is the latter, and we do get him on loan, hopefully he’ll do the business for us and it won’t be another wasted loan deal, like the Gravesen one feels.
Ed MacDonald
31   Posted 09/01/2008 at 18:21:36

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http://www.valenciacf.es/noticias/prelimin.asp?idnoticia=14733&idioma=1&IdBanner=Aleatorio

Deal!
Ed MacDonald
32   Posted 09/01/2008 at 18:24:59

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Fernandes, Arteta, Cahill, Pienaar in midfield!

(I hope, still nothing on OS, there’s a surprise)
Bentley Gibson
33   Posted 09/01/2008 at 18:24:41

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Am happy with this.

Nothing wrong with a loan at all, if he?s not up to it he goes back.

Last night showed what our midfield is like without any players who are comfortable on the ball.

So he?ll be able to play against Chelsea?
John Atkins
34   Posted 09/01/2008 at 19:29:31

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At last breaking news on club website, was this only because Valencia and TW announced? But where as Valencia website is positive deal done EFC site state "talks and the prospect of" lets hope they sort it out tomorrow......Can he play in Carling and UEFA (did we play in the CL?)
Ron Daulby
35   Posted 09/01/2008 at 20:13:08

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Glad that he looks like he is joining again on loan. We are desparate for some quality in the middle. The only down side is that I cant remember many players who have come back to the club and been as good as their first stretch?
Dave Jeanrenaud
36   Posted 09/01/2008 at 20:25:47

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John a,

I might be wrong on this but i think Manny can play Uefa even if he has played Champs League. I say this because apparently if Anelka signs for Chelsea he is eligible for Champs League and he has definitely played Uefa for Bolton.

Surely therefore vice versa applies.
Tim Loines
37   Posted 10/01/2008 at 18:03:24

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fernandes is a great player with great potential. what we need to do now is to show him that he is a needed player, and make sure we dont let him go again!
Ste Ward
38   Posted 10/01/2008 at 19:25:29

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Who’s Bill Wyness?


Darrel Pugh
39   Posted 12/01/2008 at 10:29:55

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The only thing that matters to me are Everton results and performances I could not care less how we get them or who plays. If this lad will improve our team thats the end of the story, sign him. Anyone who thinks that players need to love everton or will be sat watching the official history DVD are in dreamworld. They come for money and playing in the prem/europe and thats it. The days of Labone, Ball, Watson, Big Dunc are gone forever. Get him in get goals and performances out of him and none of us will care less, he can even kiss his badge if he wants.


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