EDITOR'S VIEWPOINT
MP Kilfoyle in Anfield and Walton Star
Comments (34) : This is apparently a copy of Peter Kilfoyle's article 'Straight Talk' from the Walton and Anfield Star, sent in to us anonymously:
Every now and then, I receive an indignant letter or email from an Everton supporter.
They rarely live in Walton-indeed, most seem to write from outside Liverpool; but they have strong views on whether or not Everton FC stays in Liverpool. Needless to say, they never have a positive suggestion on either where the club should relocate, and where the money to pay for a new ground comes from.
They also intend to ignore two other facts of life:
Firstly, Everton fans voted to support the club in it's proposals.
Secondly, the club is a private business, ultimately answerable to shareholders.
It passes some people by that, as local MP, my views on the clubs location must be secondary to the interests of the local community. I will certainly not buy into the amateur economics of some of my correspondents. This latter group tends to talk of tens of millions of pounds which the club puts into the local economy.
WHAT A JOKE!.
Most of its turnover goes into wallets of the highly paid players and staff. I do not see too many of them shopping down County Road, or buying their homes in Liverpool 4.
I suspect for most, their concerns revolve around meeting their mates in the same pub for each home game. I understand that (and concerns of publicans). But it will not help the club finance itself, and it does nothing to rejuvenate the area.
The truth is that many residents will be glad to see the club move. One answer was a shared stadium with Liverpool. Sadly, Everton were led on a wild goose chase for the arena. Neither supporters nor owners of either of our clubs showed enthusiasm when the opportunity was there.
The contributor then asks: Is this really the same MP that said "That this House notes the positive support extended to Everton Football Club by Knowsley District Council; compares it to the failure of Liverpool City Council to offer any realistic sites for a new stadium to Everton FC.; and calls upon Liverpool City Council to provide meaningful support to this local, national and international icon of the footballing arts." ? only eight months ago?
Not sure I see any probelm here. Kilfoyle is stating what many have already stated on our pages regarding the stadium issues. Sounds from the article like he supports the club's plans to relocate and has short shrift for the KEIOC brigade. Sounds like in his speech eight months earlier, he was appreciative of the Kirkby opportunity, and took a swipe at LCC for their failings. Not sure I can see any inconsistency there...
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Is this clown not part of the same Liverpool council OFFICIALLY voted as the worst in the country? His "straight talk" must be the same straight talk that has got him yanked in front of a tribunal before accusations of bullying and harrassment to collagues.
I dont even know why Michael Kenrick has put it as "Editors Comment. Surely your opinion should be more than a quote from a aging out of touch buffoon. I would prefer reading material relevant to Everton and not giving the time of day to stupid "statements" of this nature.
What a crock of shit.
No. He isn’t ! He’s an MP.
I think those who campaign aginst the move or try to pressure to have it stopped should ask themsleves why their views count more than the majority of those who voted yes. All had the chnace to vote, you cannot say that those who didn’t bother to vote would be against the move, as I history shows those who are against something are far more likely to vote.
The accpetance of the move is also shown by the rather sad attempts to try and stage protests. KEIOC cannot raise any real movement outside of flooding certain websites with their views and thats just a case of 30 or so people who agree with each other telling each other have much cleverer they are the the less "in the know" masses.
I don’t think Everton put that much money into the local community, just the pubs and chippy’s around the ground. I suspect the same people who fund that stupid plane and banner.
If, as may well be, Everton stay in Walton, what kind of relationship does he expect to have with one of its biggest businesses after making such sour comments as these?
Sounds like he's taking LCC to task for failing to support the club and is seemingly happy that they're leaving for a neighbouring borough because he supports Project Kirkby as an Evertonian and has made up his mind that it would be best for his constituency if the club leaves. There are plenty of people in his constituency who would disagree with him, I'm sure.
Like all MPs, he opens his mouth and shit falls out. The reason all Mps end up being hypocritical is because they try to say what pleases everyone. We all know that’s impossible as people have different opinions.
Just let his mouth keep flapping and ignore him.
COYB!!
Ian Naylor, neither you or I will ever know what happened with the non-voters, just how many papers never arrived, how many refused to vote on point of principal or whatever. It’s a sad fact but the best selling paper in the UK is The Sun which basically points out the majority common denominator within UK society is low brow with little ability beyond existence, my old man was a shop steward for years and he always told me the British worker’s biggest enemy is the British worker, they argue the toss in meetings but when it comes to the crunch the majority sit back and refuse to do anything.
I firmly believe this apathy amongst the general public is well known and has been used by politicians and again by KW very well to strengthen their point. After all wasn’t the vote just to continue negotiations with KBC and Tesco and didn’t mention what has become a shit or bust scenario Tesco and no plan B?
To sum up those responses, Kilfoyle is unbelievable with ulterior motives whose words carry as much weight as Nicole Ritchie.
He is guilty of harassment, a clown and a bully with views that are a crock of shit. He is an absolute hypocrite, a stupid idiot and to top it off a RS scum.
You will note there is not a single attempt to debate the issues raised by Kilfoyle. Is it a case of shoot the messenger?
WHAT A JOKE!
Most of its turnover goes into wallets of the highly paid players and staff. I do not see too many of them shopping down County Road, or buying their homes in Liverpool 4."
".....it does nothing to rejuvenate the area.
The truth is that many residents will be glad to see the club move....."
I’m certain the good people of Kirkby and maybe even the Knowsley Cllrs and the Hon Member for Knowsley North & Sefton East will be interested to note Peter Kilfoyle’s opinion.
So much for the "boost to the local economy" line that has been strung out by Keith Wyness and his flack catcher Ian "good neighbour" Ross.
Judgimg by the above article, I’m not sure that Kilfoyle fully understood his debriefing at Goodison a couple of weeks back.
Do you have any idea of what a fool your statements makes you look. Next time why not stop and think before pressing that enter key.
The only possible quibble (and I?m really no fan of KEIOC whose bullying bullshit almost single handedly lost the vote for the no campaign) is that possibly it?s not just about keeping Everton near their pubs.
Talking about high paid players not spending money on County Road. As anyone seen this fat overweight bastard re-distributing his high salary and overly generous exenses around Liverpool? I doubt it very much.
Kilfoyle Feb’ 2008;
"Every now and then, I receive an indignant letter or email from an Everton supporter.
They rarely live in Walton-indeed, most seem to write from outside Liverpool; but they have strong views on whether or not Everton FC stays in Liverpool."
Kilfoyle April 2007;
"Everton FC has, historically, drawn support from all over Merseyside, and beyond. It is the emotional property of all of its supporters, wherever they may live, and wherever it is based. There are sound economic arguments for the local community for Everton FC to stay where it is; but that may not be the economically sensible choice for the club and its longer term future."
http://www.peterkilfoyle.com/index.html
As has been said - the man is best ignored.
I cant wait until next Thurdsay. See you there. COYB.
?Bullying bullshit?, ?brain-dead tripe?. Well done for trying to move the debate on from July 07...
"Kilfoyle and Terence Leahy went to St Edwards College ? both are Knights of St Gregory ? a Catholic mafia group ? enough said!"
has been moderated to
"Kilfoyle and Terence Leahy went to St Edwards College ? both are Knights of St Gregory "
Hmm... what if the comment were to be
"Kilfoyle and Terence Leahy went to "X" college - they are both Muslims"?
What would a normal interpretation of that sentence imply in the context of the debate? Disgraceful! It betrays the ethics of the "anti" Kirkby move debate that I am prepared to respect, even if I reject it.
get a sense of humour mate. I immediately laughed when I read Tony Kelly?s comment - it?s obviousy a joke.
Mind you, this Kirkbydome would be on or near the All Saints school site....get the holy water out!
;-)
But am I wrong to think that those who are not religious bigots might be just a tiny bit curious to know a little more about the Knights of St Gregory (can?t help giggling every time I write that ? it?s now getting all Pythonesque...). Do they really exist?
Where?s my Wikipedia...
ps: I should clarify that it was not me but Lyndon who doctored Tony Kelly's original post... which now seems redundant since it is repeated twice by you, Andy! It must be time for bed now, surely!
Yeh, David, I DID go to All Saints school, and I was brought up in Wylva Road (within holy water spitting distance of Anfield). I?m by no means a Catholic religious fanatic, and I thought The Da Vinci Code was a great yarn, but I don?t appreciate mixing serious argument about something as important as our ground move with snide religious bigoted comments (against ANY faith).
Now I?m off to bed to dream about stuffing Portsmouth 5-0 on Sunday. OK, Guys?
Kilfoyle and Leahy were both educated by the Irish Christian Brothers as I was and were my Dad and children.
We are all Evertonian season ticket holders (21 of us in the family) and being Evertonians is vital to our family life.
There is no Catholic conspiracy and I consider myself a devout Catholic but we were founded by a Methodist Sunday School for Heaven’s sake!
For the doubters please refer to my nephew’s history of our great club ’Everton - The School of Science ’ - James Corbett.
Anyway, my Dad who is suffering from cancer and other ailments, is going to his last game on Sunday having started in 1928.
In this context, some of the comments made here are without consideration.
I hope your Dad has a great day on Sunday.
Originally. I thought Tony Kelly (ex-altarboy) was just being mischevious, but the Knights of St Gregory really do exist... and sound distinctly masonic in an Opus Dei sort of way:
"The Order of the Knights of St Gregory the Great was established in 1831 by Pope Gregory XVI. It is one of the five pontifical orders of knighthood in the Catholic Church, and is bestowed on Catholic men in recognition of their service to the Church, support of the Holy See, and the good example set in their communities. It is a charge to further carry their Christian principles into the professional, educational, and business worlds. There are three classes of Knights: Knight, Knight Commander, and Knight Grand Cross. The Knights meet annually on various levels to commemorate the Feast of St Gregory on September 3. They also hold state assemblies every two years at which they discuss the issues facing the Church today, roles of the clergy and the laity, and future challenges to be met."
So, Andy, if both Kilfoyle and Leahy really are members of this august body, which has principles that could certainly be distorted into a "Catholic mafia" in the sense of extending and consoldating power and influence in the community ? in this case, perhaps colluding regarding Everton?s ground move, let?s say ? then here is my question again:
Is what Tony said really "religious bigotry" or is it a valid concern about the basis for an, er, unholy alliance that should perhaps concern us?
Whoa there feller - you?re stepping into a minefield!!
John Moores was a Mason and a Tory... Pip Carter is a Mason and a Tory. Do we deduce from this that Everton have been an outpost of The Craft since Moores took over in 1960? Exerting Masonic influence in the community via control over a major cultural asset?
Going back beyond that, the Baxter family who had a dynasty at the club back in the late nineteenth/early twentieth century (three of them directors and chairmen) were all schooled by Jesuits. Another conspiracy here too no doubt?
Unless you can prove a connection between the outside influences of these people and the direction the club has taken we?ll just have to hang onto that word you used up top: ?coincidence?.
;-)
I suppose we have our arseholes too.
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