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Moyes set us up for a draw and we got what we deserved in the end. It was inevitable we would go one down, and our plan B to get back in to the game was piss poor (take AJ off and throw yak and vic?). Its predictable and easy for a quality manager and defenders to deal with.
If we were told at the start of the season we would have finishing fith on the last day in our hands, get to the semis of the Carling Cup and last 16 of the Uefa Cup, we would have taken it. But it's bittersweet as due to a lack of form, and with a little bit more tactical nouce and a couple of extra players it could have been so much more.
What a game next week tho, eh?
If we were told at the start of the season we would have finishing fith on the last day in our hands, get to the semis of the Carling Cup and last 16 of the Uefa Cup, we would have taken it. But it's bittersweet as due to a lack of form, and with a little bit more tactical nouce and a couple of extra players it could have been so much more.
What a game next week tho, eh?
It’s notable how Everton’s stumble over the finishing line has been manna from heaven,seized upon by the tactical geniuses who choke the Toffeeweb board. It’s amazing how a club like this has attracted so many managerial wizards while someone so obviously inept is actually in charge of the club.
If only someone like Tony Marsh or Jay Campbell were in charge then as the song says...’the only way is up !’.
The way I see it. Simple economics demand Everton have a small squad. A club like Everton...any club in this 2nd tier..will struggle to put together a run in Europe and stay in the top 6. When Middlesborough reached the UEFA cup final they dropped into the lower reaches of the league.
The team is running on empty and the Cahill injury has cost the club several points.
Clearly,to progress in Europe and keep in the top six next year requires a bigger squad and more quality in the midfield with another striker a must.
Moyes has done wonders to keep a small squad in the top six two years running.
But then....we could have been champions if only the satanic Bill would appoint a TW contributor to the job !
If only someone like Tony Marsh or Jay Campbell were in charge then as the song says...’the only way is up !’.
The way I see it. Simple economics demand Everton have a small squad. A club like Everton...any club in this 2nd tier..will struggle to put together a run in Europe and stay in the top 6. When Middlesborough reached the UEFA cup final they dropped into the lower reaches of the league.
The team is running on empty and the Cahill injury has cost the club several points.
Clearly,to progress in Europe and keep in the top six next year requires a bigger squad and more quality in the midfield with another striker a must.
Moyes has done wonders to keep a small squad in the top six two years running.
But then....we could have been champions if only the satanic Bill would appoint a TW contributor to the job !
Ken,
You’ve made some real good points, particularly about the tactics. Clearly Moyes did come to draw, and yes he could have seized the initialtive and gone for a win, not caring if we lost 7-0 again.
I would only make the following points:
1. We didn’t have anyone in our side who could really dictate play. We played it at one pace, and one pace only.
2. When Arsenal couldn’t get through our midfield, they simply lumped it up, similar to what they did at Goodison.
3. If Everton had hoofed it up,we would have been accused of hoofball once again. Everyone sought to pass the ball, and everyone seemed to want to resist the urge to lump it up, a favourite tacttics of Jags. Yet keep it on the floor and we are still called piss poor (yes Jay Campbell, I am talking about you).
4. When we played good football we mixed it up with balls on the ground and in the air, for that we needed Yak on the pitch. The manager made that call. That’s why he’s the manager.
Finally, I want to say that I am a Hibbert fan. I realise that he is limited, but very few wing backs, and wingers have had the best of him this season. Particularly away from home we need that weapon.
We should get off his back.
You’ve made some real good points, particularly about the tactics. Clearly Moyes did come to draw, and yes he could have seized the initialtive and gone for a win, not caring if we lost 7-0 again.
I would only make the following points:
1. We didn’t have anyone in our side who could really dictate play. We played it at one pace, and one pace only.
2. When Arsenal couldn’t get through our midfield, they simply lumped it up, similar to what they did at Goodison.
3. If Everton had hoofed it up,we would have been accused of hoofball once again. Everyone sought to pass the ball, and everyone seemed to want to resist the urge to lump it up, a favourite tacttics of Jags. Yet keep it on the floor and we are still called piss poor (yes Jay Campbell, I am talking about you).
4. When we played good football we mixed it up with balls on the ground and in the air, for that we needed Yak on the pitch. The manager made that call. That’s why he’s the manager.
Finally, I want to say that I am a Hibbert fan. I realise that he is limited, but very few wing backs, and wingers have had the best of him this season. Particularly away from home we need that weapon.
We should get off his back.
Peter E, it is a wee bit much to go on about lack of cash when we have Shandy Andy, unfit and unseen Gardiner, handicapped Mad Dog and possibly other wastrels soaking up wages that could otherwise be used to entice a top quality replacement.
Can I ask Evertonians if they are embarrassed by Moyes? tactics yesterday?
You came to TES to face a Arsenal side winding down, thinking of EURO 2008/their summer holidays; an Arsenal side shorn of SEVEN first team players and yet your team had absolutely no ambition to even cross the halfway line.
You aren?t Fulham.
You aren?t a team scrapping for your Premier League existence, you?re in 5th, you?re got designs on CL qualification and you?re the 9 times Champions of England.
Yet you showed no ambition to try and win the game.
It was pathetic. I don?t expect you to come to TES and play 3 at the back and 4 up front but in the circumstances - with UEFA Cup qualification to wrap up - you have no excuse for not taking the game to us.
You embarrassed the Premier League yesterday afternoon.
You came to TES to face a Arsenal side winding down, thinking of EURO 2008/their summer holidays; an Arsenal side shorn of SEVEN first team players and yet your team had absolutely no ambition to even cross the halfway line.
You aren?t Fulham.
You aren?t a team scrapping for your Premier League existence, you?re in 5th, you?re got designs on CL qualification and you?re the 9 times Champions of England.
Yet you showed no ambition to try and win the game.
It was pathetic. I don?t expect you to come to TES and play 3 at the back and 4 up front but in the circumstances - with UEFA Cup qualification to wrap up - you have no excuse for not taking the game to us.
You embarrassed the Premier League yesterday afternoon.
Arnold
Nice bit of baiting there.
Embarrassed, no, surprised that we didn’t play Yak from the off.
Not surprised that we forced you once again into lumping the ball forward.
Free flowing passing football my back foot.
We tried to play you off the park. For long periods we did that. In my view we used the wrong personnel to get the job done, but if you are trying to imply that we were beaten by an Arsenal who beat us via their free flowing footballl, you were watching the wrong game.
Arsenal, in terms of the rest of the season were whoeful. yeserday
I am not embarassed, just saddened that we didn’t make subs earlier to take the same to you. and give your lot the whopping that they deserve.
With all your best players jumping ship as fast as they can, I wouldn’t crow too loudly about your prospects for next season.
Nice bit of baiting there.
Embarrassed, no, surprised that we didn’t play Yak from the off.
Not surprised that we forced you once again into lumping the ball forward.
Free flowing passing football my back foot.
We tried to play you off the park. For long periods we did that. In my view we used the wrong personnel to get the job done, but if you are trying to imply that we were beaten by an Arsenal who beat us via their free flowing footballl, you were watching the wrong game.
Arsenal, in terms of the rest of the season were whoeful. yeserday
I am not embarassed, just saddened that we didn’t make subs earlier to take the same to you. and give your lot the whopping that they deserve.
With all your best players jumping ship as fast as they can, I wouldn’t crow too loudly about your prospects for next season.
Playing 1 up front against the top 4 does not work.
Moyes is so predictable, we might as well give away the points.
Moyes is so predictable, we might as well give away the points.
Ken
I always tend to agree with your comments but how you can consider Hibbert for man of the match??? Which game were you watching? ? not the same as me ... Hbbert is an embarressment in my opinion ?not good enough for Derby let alone the Bues.
A fair reflection of the game, I thought. Arsenal looked there for the taking if Everton had been more attacking. Seemed like Moyes was playing for the point which is always dangerous.
Just one correction: we weren’t really a defender short after Traore came on for Toure. Eboue dropped back, and he’s a far more experienced right back than Toure is. And while Traore is best known as a full-back (where he’s had nothing but mares this season) he’s been doing much better in the reserves as a winger recently. So it wasn’t such a surprising move from Wenger.
A Gunner.
Just one correction: we weren’t really a defender short after Traore came on for Toure. Eboue dropped back, and he’s a far more experienced right back than Toure is. And while Traore is best known as a full-back (where he’s had nothing but mares this season) he’s been doing much better in the reserves as a winger recently. So it wasn’t such a surprising move from Wenger.
A Gunner.
As an Arsenal fan who was at the game, I can’t agree with Arnold. Yes true we had rested a a few players such as Cesc, but Everton themselves were lacking a few first choicers. Cahill (who has a habit of scoring against us) and Arteta and with AJ still struggling, gave Moyes a lack of attacking options. I’m sure he is still smarting from the seven we put passed them a couple of seasons ago. It makes sense to me that if Everton need 1 point from 2 games a draw at The Emirates is a bloody good result with the players at his disposal. The bottom line is that Everton restricted Arsenal to very few shots on goal and were only 10 mins from getting the result they needed. Fair play to them.
Good team, great fans, classy manager keep up the good work you Blues!
Ajamu, I never intended to bait anyone. I am simply expressing my disgust at your team?s approach to yesterday?s game.
There was no reason for Moyes to come to TES and attempt to shut up shop from the off. This is a tactic befitting a bottom 5 side, not a top 5 side - which is what you are.
Up front, you have players like Yakubu, Johnson, Pienaar, Osman and Anichebe - players who are creative and worth a goal or two. When you factor in your team?s very solid back line and very good ?keeper, (regardless of the Arsenal team) Moyes should?ve attempted to seal 5th place in style.
In light of the fact we were shorn of seven first team players and had nothing to play for, Moyes? tactics were unforgivable.
You?re right, you did strangle us. You know why? Because we were playing two defensive central midfielders and missing our four most creative players - RvP, Fabregas, Hleb and Rosicky.
You say you should?ve us a ?whopping? and I completely acknowledge that we were there for the taking.
That?s my point. You could?ve come to TES and turned us over yesterday but you played 10-0-0 instead.
Why were 5th so afraid to attack an almost 2nd string 3rd? Why? Who were you so, so, so afraid of in the that Arsenal team? Was the attacking trio of Adebayor + 2 kids supported by defensive midfielders and Eboue really that scary? .... I can really see why you played 10-0-0 against us.
It was a horrible anti-advert for The Premier League. Roll and and see the 9 times Champions of England seal 5th and UEFA Cup spot by strangling the life out of Arsenal?s squad players.
Not embarrassed? You should be.
There was no reason for Moyes to come to TES and attempt to shut up shop from the off. This is a tactic befitting a bottom 5 side, not a top 5 side - which is what you are.
Up front, you have players like Yakubu, Johnson, Pienaar, Osman and Anichebe - players who are creative and worth a goal or two. When you factor in your team?s very solid back line and very good ?keeper, (regardless of the Arsenal team) Moyes should?ve attempted to seal 5th place in style.
In light of the fact we were shorn of seven first team players and had nothing to play for, Moyes? tactics were unforgivable.
You?re right, you did strangle us. You know why? Because we were playing two defensive central midfielders and missing our four most creative players - RvP, Fabregas, Hleb and Rosicky.
You say you should?ve us a ?whopping? and I completely acknowledge that we were there for the taking.
That?s my point. You could?ve come to TES and turned us over yesterday but you played 10-0-0 instead.
Why were 5th so afraid to attack an almost 2nd string 3rd? Why? Who were you so, so, so afraid of in the that Arsenal team? Was the attacking trio of Adebayor + 2 kids supported by defensive midfielders and Eboue really that scary? .... I can really see why you played 10-0-0 against us.
It was a horrible anti-advert for The Premier League. Roll and and see the 9 times Champions of England seal 5th and UEFA Cup spot by strangling the life out of Arsenal?s squad players.
Not embarrassed? You should be.
’Arnold Clivedon’ sounds suspiciously like one of the blue cabal of Moyes haters.
I don’t think he lives any nearer North London than Fazakerley !
I don’t think he lives any nearer North London than Fazakerley !
You seem to forget that you were playing Arsenal reserves [nine first team first choices missing].
As for Walcott not getting a kick out of Hibbert, this was almost entirely due to Arsenal inexplicably playing down the right where the completely inept Eboue ensured that we effectively played with ten men for most of the game.
If that is the best Everton can do then it?s a sad day for the Premier League. You got what you deserved for a totally negative performance. How can you expect to kick on with such a lack of ambition?
As for Walcott not getting a kick out of Hibbert, this was almost entirely due to Arsenal inexplicably playing down the right where the completely inept Eboue ensured that we effectively played with ten men for most of the game.
If that is the best Everton can do then it?s a sad day for the Premier League. You got what you deserved for a totally negative performance. How can you expect to kick on with such a lack of ambition?
Arnold, Alan
I really didn’t think you cared that much to post on an Everton forum, and for Arnold to come back on me.
Would you really want Everton to give Arsenal a whopping? I wouldn’t if I was a true fan, even if we played crap in all honestly.
I smell a rat, but take that away I hope that next season we’ll truly become your second favourite team.
Or Arnold, if you’re not far from Fazakerley you’ll grow to re love the Toffees again.
I really didn’t think you cared that much to post on an Everton forum, and for Arnold to come back on me.
Would you really want Everton to give Arsenal a whopping? I wouldn’t if I was a true fan, even if we played crap in all honestly.
I smell a rat, but take that away I hope that next season we’ll truly become your second favourite team.
Or Arnold, if you’re not far from Fazakerley you’ll grow to re love the Toffees again.
I?m an Arsenal fan but I have to admit ovwr the past few years 4th spot has really been there for the taking with Arsenal and Liverpool taking turns in under-performing.
I think there?s very little stopping Everton, Villa or a number of other teams stealing 4th should the Arse or Liverpool continue to have these types of season but there?s clearly something big missing which makes it seem so inevitable that you won?t get in the top 4. Yes obviously the top 4 all have superior squads and nobody will deny that but I really think it?s self-belief as much as anything which is making the little extra difference between 4th and 5th.
It?s not surprising that the teams outside of the top 4 don?t expect to finish 4th or better, but they need to somehow bypass that thought and try to emulate what the teams above feel, which is that they have a God-given right to be there.
Arsenal, Utd and Chelsea more than any go into every game thinking ?why not win this game??- sometimes they don?t and they might find a draw a good result but it?s that original belief I think which contributes a major thing to them actually having more success.
Rather than getting their heads down when Arsenal are behind they think ?who the fuck are these guys? let?s take back what is ours? and inevitably they so often do.
Obviously it?s so much easier said than done but I can?t help but feel so much is won and lost in the mind. If Everton are in 3rd and 12 points behind the leaders at Christmas next season I doubt many of the fans will be saying much other than ?this is fantastic, let?s not throw it away?- instead they need to be thinking ?let?s catch those fucks in 1st?. Naturally they wouldn?t be expected to achieve it, but without that attitude they are unlikely to do it any time soon.
I think there?s very little stopping Everton, Villa or a number of other teams stealing 4th should the Arse or Liverpool continue to have these types of season but there?s clearly something big missing which makes it seem so inevitable that you won?t get in the top 4. Yes obviously the top 4 all have superior squads and nobody will deny that but I really think it?s self-belief as much as anything which is making the little extra difference between 4th and 5th.
It?s not surprising that the teams outside of the top 4 don?t expect to finish 4th or better, but they need to somehow bypass that thought and try to emulate what the teams above feel, which is that they have a God-given right to be there.
Arsenal, Utd and Chelsea more than any go into every game thinking ?why not win this game??- sometimes they don?t and they might find a draw a good result but it?s that original belief I think which contributes a major thing to them actually having more success.
Rather than getting their heads down when Arsenal are behind they think ?who the fuck are these guys? let?s take back what is ours? and inevitably they so often do.
Obviously it?s so much easier said than done but I can?t help but feel so much is won and lost in the mind. If Everton are in 3rd and 12 points behind the leaders at Christmas next season I doubt many of the fans will be saying much other than ?this is fantastic, let?s not throw it away?- instead they need to be thinking ?let?s catch those fucks in 1st?. Naturally they wouldn?t be expected to achieve it, but without that attitude they are unlikely to do it any time soon.
It?s the same thing you see in Liverpool. In the league they?ll consider anything a good result before a ball has been kicked ? no wonder they are so far off first. In the CL they go into every game saying it is their right to win and the others have no chance.
What a fucking long rant from a dirty Arsenal fan. Even so, I wonder if any Evertonians agree with me at all - good luck at taking 5th and hopefully next season you can make some more progress again.
Ajamu Mutumwa
You never came anywhere near playing Arsenal off the park.
The game was boring and not up to the usual end of season game.
The ladies final was excellent.
You never came anywhere near playing Arsenal off the park.
The game was boring and not up to the usual end of season game.
The ladies final was excellent.
To those Arsenal fans who have invaded this thread. Some good posts, many arrogant ones.
This is not BBC 606, you need to retune to get that. THis is the Everton FAN SITE.
I take great exception to other fans coming onto OUR forum and slagging our team off.
Ain’t you got better things to do like worry how you gonna replace Flamini. and Hleb (very good player in my book) when he leaves?
Or if Arsene Whinger has run his course?
I would expect this from no mark rs fans who think they are gods gift to football, or even Barcode fans who think they are gods gift to Newcastle, or even the plastic fans of Chelsea - but in all honesty (and I am London based) not from the Arsenal fans I know.
I have a different opinion, its OUR forum, and if you really want to dialogue you should find your way to the 606 message board.
This is not BBC 606, you need to retune to get that. THis is the Everton FAN SITE.
I take great exception to other fans coming onto OUR forum and slagging our team off.
Ain’t you got better things to do like worry how you gonna replace Flamini. and Hleb (very good player in my book) when he leaves?
Or if Arsene Whinger has run his course?
I would expect this from no mark rs fans who think they are gods gift to football, or even Barcode fans who think they are gods gift to Newcastle, or even the plastic fans of Chelsea - but in all honesty (and I am London based) not from the Arsenal fans I know.
I have a different opinion, its OUR forum, and if you really want to dialogue you should find your way to the 606 message board.
Ryan - it all comes down to the manager and the owners unfortunately. Yes money would help no end but Moyes has spent big money and we are nowhere closer playing wise, trophies wise or ability to compete with top 4 wise. The plain fact is he has taken us as far as he can and his negativity/lack of dynamism/progressiveness is just so depressing. When you gave Bruce Rioch the flick it wasn’t because he was doing particularly badly, you just wanted to ascend to that next level and in Wenger you found that person. Of course, people are going to say to me - who would you bring in? Well that brings me onto the owners - the sad fact is that it is a bit of a pointless question - with the current custodians the present manager fits the bill quite nicely with their whole make do and mend ethos. I don’t see anything changing unless we get a change of ownership with an injection of fresh money, who bring in their own manager and ditch this fucking suicidal Kirkby idea and keep Everton in the City of Liverpool or move only the distance of Ashburton Grove to Highbury- which will not alienate core, local walk-up support. Why did Arsenal’s board not decide to move them away from their traditional locale I wonder - because they realised that they would lose core support whereas we are run by fucking brainless nincampoops who think there is some untapped tens of thousands of potential fans lying dormant in East Lancs and business people clamouring to fill executive boxes in the middle of fucking nowhere, so removed from the city centre. Meet Arsenal and Everton at the end of 2008 season - light years apart in the ability of manager, custodians and playing staff alike
Look, I thought that by and large the Arsenal correspondents have got it right. It was an even game. Chances for both sides were few and far between, but nonetheless we had our chances - as Ken said, Johnson should, and a decent striker would, have put away his first half clear shot on goal. And why was their keeper permitted to handle Gallus’s first half back pass?
Some very sensible and surprisingly perceptive posts from Arsenal fans. I don’t usually allow posts from opposition fans because they usually aren’t worth the trouble. But respect to you guys: you know your footbal, and you provide a different perspective that is refreshing.
Apologies for some of our more intolerant fans, like Ajuma, who doesn’t seem to like what he’s hearing...
Apologies for some of our more intolerant fans, like Ajuma, who doesn’t seem to like what he’s hearing...
" Some very sensible and surprisingly perspective posts from Arsenal fans’ M Kenrick.
If they’re real Arsenal fans than Amy Winehouse is a nun !
If they’re real Arsenal fans than Amy Winehouse is a nun !
I seriously cannot believe some of the stick that David Moyes gets on here sometimes, really I just cannot fathom it. Reading some of the stuff on here, you’d think we were some mid-table stiffs merely plodding along and going nowhere.
I agree sometimes Moyes deserves stick, especially his substitutions, but come on lads, am I wrong to think we are making serious progress under Moyes? Judging by some of the comments on here, if we don’t win the league next season most people want him sacked. I think some of the stick he gets on here is just childish to be honest as I assume most of the replies, if any, to this will refer to me as some sort of Moyes disciple or idiotic Moyes supporter.
All I’ll say is that, yes I am a massive fan of David Moyes, despite his flaws. To anyone who doesn’t like what position this great club of ours are in now compared to six years ago when Moyes took over, I really just don’t get you at all, I really don’t.
(I know none of the above nonsense won’t win any literacy awards, and I definately don’t like having a go at people, it’s just that reading some of the comments on here really wind me up!)
I agree sometimes Moyes deserves stick, especially his substitutions, but come on lads, am I wrong to think we are making serious progress under Moyes? Judging by some of the comments on here, if we don’t win the league next season most people want him sacked. I think some of the stick he gets on here is just childish to be honest as I assume most of the replies, if any, to this will refer to me as some sort of Moyes disciple or idiotic Moyes supporter.
All I’ll say is that, yes I am a massive fan of David Moyes, despite his flaws. To anyone who doesn’t like what position this great club of ours are in now compared to six years ago when Moyes took over, I really just don’t get you at all, I really don’t.
(I know none of the above nonsense won’t win any literacy awards, and I definately don’t like having a go at people, it’s just that reading some of the comments on here really wind me up!)
Sorry Michael but I agree with Ajuma.
I don?t know what game Arnold was watching but we were far from embarrassing. We tried to play Arsenal at their own game which not many outside the Sky Four do at the Emirates. Considering we had players missing I thought we at least tried to play and create chances rather than playing for a draw and hoping maybe to nick one or two.
Unfortunately Arsenal?s Reserves are still on a par with our squad, if not better. It?s not as if we can afford to go there, play enterprising football in a 2-3-5 formation because with the players Arsenal have at their disposal we would have been looking at another 7-0 debacle (perish the thought of that).
It has become painfully clear this season for me that Moyes cannot win with some fans. Fans bemoan the style of football and the negative tactics, win, lose or draw. It almost seems as if the fans want us to lose every game as long as we play attractive football. I?m sorry, but as purist as that may be, in the current climate results have become the #1 priority.
We should thank our lucky stars we have a manager who prefers to grind out 1-0 wins rather than entertain us in a 5-4 and hope we score the five. Because if we had a manager who believed in the latter (Keegan) then I can assure you this club would have been relegated a long time ago and we would be facing the iminent death of the club rather than the long slow painful one that we face with the move to Kirkby.
I don?t know what game Arnold was watching but we were far from embarrassing. We tried to play Arsenal at their own game which not many outside the Sky Four do at the Emirates. Considering we had players missing I thought we at least tried to play and create chances rather than playing for a draw and hoping maybe to nick one or two.
Unfortunately Arsenal?s Reserves are still on a par with our squad, if not better. It?s not as if we can afford to go there, play enterprising football in a 2-3-5 formation because with the players Arsenal have at their disposal we would have been looking at another 7-0 debacle (perish the thought of that).
It has become painfully clear this season for me that Moyes cannot win with some fans. Fans bemoan the style of football and the negative tactics, win, lose or draw. It almost seems as if the fans want us to lose every game as long as we play attractive football. I?m sorry, but as purist as that may be, in the current climate results have become the #1 priority.
We should thank our lucky stars we have a manager who prefers to grind out 1-0 wins rather than entertain us in a 5-4 and hope we score the five. Because if we had a manager who believed in the latter (Keegan) then I can assure you this club would have been relegated a long time ago and we would be facing the iminent death of the club rather than the long slow painful one that we face with the move to Kirkby.
Michael Kenrick.
First and foremost the name is spelt A-J-A-M-U, not Ajuma.
And If you’d read my post better than you’d spelt my name you would have seen that I was responding to an "Arsenal Fan", and a few others who came back on my comment.
I don’t actually regret doing so, I don’t think that I am intolerant, and I am a bit annoyed you felt the need to not only apologise for me but also name me.
If people thought that I was being intolerate then I do apologise -But thought I was defending the team from so called Arsenal fans who could very well be Everton fans in disguise.
Given the level of comments from these fans it moves me to echo the words of Peter Eastoe who said "If they’re Arsenal fans then Amy Winehouse is a nun".
Perhaps the next time opposing fans (real or imagined) come on the site and slag the team off I should refrain from comment?
I don’t think so.
First and foremost the name is spelt A-J-A-M-U, not Ajuma.
And If you’d read my post better than you’d spelt my name you would have seen that I was responding to an "Arsenal Fan", and a few others who came back on my comment.
I don’t actually regret doing so, I don’t think that I am intolerant, and I am a bit annoyed you felt the need to not only apologise for me but also name me.
If people thought that I was being intolerate then I do apologise -But thought I was defending the team from so called Arsenal fans who could very well be Everton fans in disguise.
Given the level of comments from these fans it moves me to echo the words of Peter Eastoe who said "If they’re Arsenal fans then Amy Winehouse is a nun".
Perhaps the next time opposing fans (real or imagined) come on the site and slag the team off I should refrain from comment?
I don’t think so.
Peter, the usual ridiculous generalizations to condemn the views of fans who KNOW Moyes can do better with these players than win a pathetic one game in eight. We are going through a very poor spell, our form, which was once table-topping under Moyes this season, is now relegation calibre... and that does not concern you???
It would be great if we were grinding out 1-0 wins but currrently all we seem to do is grind out 1-0 losses!!! And we’re supposed to think that is wonderful???
By the way, I have to appologise that your posts get queued for publication. I don’t know what ISP you are using but they come in with an IP Address listed as "Unknown", which triggers our Spam-Blocker. Or is it something you have supressed (if that is possible)?
It would be great if we were grinding out 1-0 wins but currrently all we seem to do is grind out 1-0 losses!!! And we’re supposed to think that is wonderful???
By the way, I have to appologise that your posts get queued for publication. I don’t know what ISP you are using but they come in with an IP Address listed as "Unknown", which triggers our Spam-Blocker. Or is it something you have supressed (if that is possible)?
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1 Posted 05/05/2008 at 08:24:46
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Piss poor!!!