When I was growing up in the 70s and we were doing nothing at all in the league, there was a marked difference to the number of red mates to the number of blue ones, probably 2 red for every blue.
Move on 35 years and the percentage of reds seems to have grown exponentially, to probably ten reds to every blue.
Because I don?t go to the games anymore I watch in the pub (when it's on which is quite rare) and the number of Blues actually there watching is getting smaller by the week. When we played Villa and the RS played Stoke, all 6 bars in Crosby were packed with reds, only one bar with 2 screens put the Blues on in a tiny corner and about 20 blues watched compared to about 120 reds.
Perhaps it is time to accept we are just another Tranmere in our city, perhaps while we are never bringing in exciting new players the kids will never be swayed over to the Blue side. Perhaps this is the start of the end...
Steve Cotton, Posted 23/09/2011 at 17:12:14
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1 Posted 23/09/2011 at 21:12:47
2 Posted 23/09/2011 at 21:29:06
3 Posted 23/09/2011 at 21:31:35
4 Posted 23/09/2011 at 21:34:43
5 Posted 23/09/2011 at 21:42:08
That could just be a rumour. Can anyone prove we were at home and the RS were away?
Seriously its all going Pete Tonge at the moment and the reality is just so boring.
We are broke because we chased the dream and failed to get to the Champions league. I wont blame the board for trying but I will blame them for the lack of investment and the potential lost opportunities.
6 Posted 23/09/2011 at 21:45:11
7 Posted 23/09/2011 at 21:30:36
8 Posted 23/09/2011 at 21:45:11
9 Posted 23/09/2011 at 21:50:41
This is a wind up.
Do they get 350,000 a week turning up outside anfield.
Certain pubs wherever you go on merseyside are dominated by either reds or blues.
Get a grip.
10 Posted 23/09/2011 at 22:00:51
While some kids will understandably flock towards glory — or, in this case, the greater chance of it; the red horde haven't won a title in two decades and fluked the Champions League — I think you underestimate the power of the Evertonian tradition and the size of our Club and grossly overstate the "dying breed" assertion.
11 Posted 23/09/2011 at 21:56:38
12 Posted 23/09/2011 at 22:00:18
With Everton fans though, it's quality over quantity and I wouldn't want it any other way. Once a Blue always a Blue, come rain or shine. The shallow masses can have their glory when it arrives, we have something far more precious: We are born to love Everton FC and it doesn't change like the weather.
13 Posted 23/09/2011 at 22:04:54
Once the council started knocking down the streets and sending everyone to Kikby, Skem etc things changed. Worse thing ever happened !
14 Posted 23/09/2011 at 22:12:47
15 Posted 23/09/2011 at 22:27:50
16 Posted 23/09/2011 at 22:50:25
Admittedly I'm not from Liverpool (though my dads side of the family are), but I have worked there plenty of times and the number of Everton shirts, car stickers, jackets, apparel, merchandise or whatever you want to call it seems to me to outweigh the shites. Obviously it's not an accurate measurement system and we may just show off our loyalty more, but that's the way I see it.
17 Posted 23/09/2011 at 22:52:12
I agree there are loads of people who call themselves reds who never go to the match, they just spend their whole life chatting shit in the pub. Honestly, they're the worst fans in the league, even United fans make them look pathetic. Just look at what happens when they play in a big final ? the pubs are full, yet when Everton play, they're all empty because we've all actually gone to the game.
I also do not agree Liverpool had more supporters in the 70s; I'd say it was very much the same from what people have told me.
Tranmere, my ... we took more to Benfica in 2009 than they get for their biggest games. Crosby isn't even Liverpool anyway, Liverpool ends once you leave Walton or Kirkdale. Sefton isn't Liverpool, it's not like areas like Huyton, Canny Farm, Kirkby and Halewood that were built for scousers. There's nothing more that annoys real scousers than plazzy scousers telling them they have a L postcode... rant over.
Everton supporters are nearly all from Liverpool or have some connection with Liverpool which most fans are proud of. Evertonians do not choose we're chosen. 1 Everton fan is worth 20 Liverpool fans.
18 Posted 23/09/2011 at 23:02:12
First class tosh beaten only by Tory MP priti patel's performance on last nights Question Time!! If you didn't see her it's now available in HD on YouTube!! Priceless!!
19 Posted 24/09/2011 at 00:04:31
1. I am not a miserable sod and I have probably been to more games home and away than most on here.
2. If you actually think kids these days grow up supporting the Blues by choice, you have got your head in the sand; most young kids support the RS and the trend is growing.
3. And there are eight or nine bars in Crosby showing the football so don't try and say otherwise. And, when the RS are at home, they still show the reds and are usually full.
The fact that this article of mine got published showed that it had touched a nerve; if we want to reverse the trend of all Liverpool-born kids wearing red shirts, then we need to do something about it now...
If you think there is equilibrium in the city, then you are deluded. Make a suggestion ? don't shoot the messanger...
20 Posted 24/09/2011 at 00:11:32
21 Posted 24/09/2011 at 02:17:53
But it's winning changes everything. That's a fact. Everyone loves a winner. We all do.
Let's get the 3 points this weekend.
22 Posted 24/09/2011 at 02:29:13
Unless Everton are playing one of the "big" teams, there's no chance of their game being screened anywhere at all. Even when it is, the number of Blues in attendance is always outnumbered by supporters of the other team (about 8 to 1?). And most Everton supporters tend to be around my age, i.e. 36. You hardly ever see a young fan in Everton's colours.
We're definitely not Tranmere, and I accept the point that being a supporter here is somewhat different from being a supporter based in Liverpool. But it really is a global game these days, and the long-term strategy of any club that has serious aspirations of success really depends on how much global support they can garner. (I mean, imagine Man U surviving solely by tapping into its fanbase in Manchester. I think not.)
While I reckon Everton may still be considered a big club in some parts of the UK, I would say that we're on par with the likes of Villa or Fulham in the pedigree stakes in many overseas countries (other overseas readers please feel free to verify/comment here).
I note Lyndon's (#10) view that the size of the club and the power of its tradition remain important factors. However, these unfortunately do not resonate much with overseas fans, simply because our focus will be what's on the pitch (via the TV screen) first... and only on the club's history later. Without on-field success, or potential success, it's really hard for would-be fans to be interested in its history and traditions. In that sense, we are really losing a significant chunk of our potential overseas fanbase.
(Just to highlight the point: MUTV (Man Utd TV) screens regularly here. I've never watched it, but I would reckon that there'd be a segment or two devoted to illustrating the tradition of the club.)
As such, I agree with the OP that, without exciting new players, it will be very difficult for Everton to attract new (younger) fans.
While I don't think it's the beginning of the end (so long as Everton stays in the Premier League), I do think we're witnessing a decline into permanent mid-table club status.
23 Posted 24/09/2011 at 03:26:17
24 Posted 24/09/2011 at 04:25:50
Are they potentially shithouse signings for the redshite? I sincerely hope they turn out to be so. But would I have been excited had it been Moyes who had spent that money on those players? In all honesty, yes (just like I was when Moyes spent those inflated sums of money on Yakubu and Johnson and Fellaini and Billy and Beattie, even though they weren't exactly world-beaters).
25 Posted 24/09/2011 at 09:25:56
This is what's frustrating, we missed one opportunity when we qualified for the CL and it's clearly going to be some years before we get the chance again. We have a hard core of fans which is consistent, but I accept the point that it may also be an ageing core.
26 Posted 24/09/2011 at 09:40:47
I have lived in Australia and the only blues I met were ones who hade emigrated from Merseyside, whereas there were numerous 'G'day' talking reds who had picked them from watching their numerous games on tv, at least 20 reds to blues i guess.
dont forget all their pre-season and league matches are shown over there.
you might say 'better born a blue' etc but that is not grasping the problemwe now face.The world wide interest in the big 5 in our league means we cant compete. will that trend ever be reversed?
27 Posted 24/09/2011 at 11:06:53
Another surrender-monkey article.
28 Posted 24/09/2011 at 11:23:52
29 Posted 24/09/2011 at 13:33:13
30 Posted 24/09/2011 at 14:34:17
31 Posted 24/09/2011 at 14:39:49
32 Posted 24/09/2011 at 15:56:10
The biggest gate ever for a cup game was when we beat Liverpool one nil with Ball scoring the only goal...the game was shown on the big screen at anfield and BOTH grounds were filled to capacity and thousands locked out.
The only club with a bigger gate than us for a home game is Man City at maine road when they had 81,000 fans.
Obviously the article writer is very young and thinks like lots of pundits that football only began with the premier league.
33 Posted 24/09/2011 at 15:56:13
I can't buy into the fact we was put forth as a Tranmere Rovers replica, what's that even about?. And the kids on the street can follow whoever they like, they won't know about any respective teams histories, tell some kid that before 1964 Liverpool FC didn't even seem to exsist before Shankly arrived and the building job started and EFC was already a well established club with a list of honors going back over 70 years and one of the founder members of the Football League.
I really don't give a fuck about the other half, OK, when they have a significant defeat that does kind of get my attention sometimes, such as last weekend, but for now, and on this day, I'm guessing it'll be another no thrills season, another year without the League Title, (and that could be one hell of a long wait), and an awkward trip to Stoke City in the Mickey, sorry, League Cup coming up whereas we face a Chelsea side at Goodison who looked less than convincing getting past Fulham the other night.
Had a defeat today against a Manchester City side much improved after years, decades and eons of hiding away in the corner while Manchester's bigger brother was making a sweep for honors, but still remain strong, we have a list of accolades, former players and lists of achievement that can only be bettered by a handful of clubs in the UK, and have spent more years as a top flight team than any other, that at least is something to be proud of.
Unfortunately times change and today we take a back seat to others goings on, it may be a while before we can see this club challenging for League titles again but at least we did reach those heights on many a time and didn't need no fancy billionaires coming along to aid us in order to do it. Just good efficient players, a work ethic and everybody pulling their weight in order to succeed.
This club may not see the likes of the mid 1980s again (as a last example) in our lifetimes, I appreciate that, but I don't watch snides like Chelsea or City (incidentally rather obscure clubs not up to much before money played a hand) doing well and thinking 'oh I wish I was with them'. The next few years could be another barren spell at Goodison Park or continuation of recent times we have witnessed but I'll still be around, I ain't gonna go glory hunting or hitch any wagons to any sides who are going places or have established themselves after years of dormant inactivity. It's EFC, win lose or draw, but I guess that covers everyone involved I should hope who reads these pages.
34 Posted 24/09/2011 at 16:54:05
The bottom line is people follow success.
Everton and Liverpool have such big support is down to the victorious past nothing else.
Defending a regime that's turned us into mid-table makeweights with a hopeless outlook is deluded.
35 Posted 24/09/2011 at 21:14:37
We still have Dixie Dean's record goals in a season and Everton will survive.
36 Posted 25/09/2011 at 02:20:56
37 Posted 25/09/2011 at 15:47:02
38 Posted 28/09/2011 at 20:43:01
Secondly, you only have to look at the variety of clubs who won the League in the 60s and 70s (Ipswich, Burnley, Forest, Derby, Leeds, even shitty City) to realise that having a multi-millionaire in the background might have been nice, but it wasn't a necessity. Alan Ball apart, I don't think any of the 'marquee' players (Best, Law, Charlton, the West Ham trio, Jimmy Greaves etc) played for Everton, did they.........?
So, no: I don't accept the comparison at all. And to suggest that we should is to therefore condone the disgusting brothel of the Premier League by saying things were no better then. They were.
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