The notion being that failure to see out games rendered Everton impotent to the qualities required to be considered top 4 material. But how top 4 material is defined nowadays is due a rethink. The insurmountable superiority leaving Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool out of reach has been blown away. If this ‘top’ is knowing which teams will finish the highest, only with the order in doubt, then we no longer have the top 4, merely a top 2.
Wegner is under the usual Gooner criticisms, Villas Boas not endearing himself at the Lane, Rafa… hahahahahaha… HAHAHAHAHAHA… at the Bridge… and likewise Moyes has his detractors in the Blue half. Quality, such as we showed in ’05, is not necessarily required for a top 4 position this season.
The form guide shows our competitors for 3rd and 4th are currently no great shakes either (not sure why 6 games became industry standard to reflect form over say 5 or 7, but 6 it is):
3rd WBA – 12 pts
4th Chelsea – 6 pts
5th Everton – 7 pts
6th Arsenal – 8 pts
7th Spurs – 6 pts
11th Liverpool – 10 pts
It would appear whoever finishes 3rd and 4th this season will not be because they are ‘top 4 material’, but because they are the tallest of dwarfs.
We have three tough games to come. Despite only two losses all season and a history of Moyes working wonders in such a run of fixtures, the white flag has been raised high by many supporters.
We have Arsenal under floodlights tomorrow. Bring it on. Man City at the weekend? Our record is solid. And then Spurs the following week – not concerned.
I usually write a optimistic post this time of season to give balance to the anti-Moyes grumbling away... didn’t think I’d have to when sitting 5th though.
Players are coming back. The football remains easy on the eye. It all looks good. Bummer if we miss out on 4th to bloody West Brom though. Cheeky upstarts.
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513 Posted 27/11/2012 at 17:29:00
We are 5th, yes, we could be higher but we are not. And like you said, we have players coming back at the right time, every team struggles for consistency but we are a team that doesn't lose often because we do graft out results.
We do need to improve our defence though; I've been surprised at how we've let in some of those goals recently. But one good result will make a huge difference, it always does.
524 Posted 27/11/2012 at 18:07:57
So it's another vote for Mr Kenwright then.
529 Posted 27/11/2012 at 18:11:32
530 Posted 27/11/2012 at 18:18:43
The arsenal fans were sold the dream that moving to the emirates would be a one way ticket to trophy riches.
No trophies, sky high season tickets, and still selling their best players. Getting beat tomorrow will add to his pressure.
535 Posted 27/11/2012 at 18:25:05
540 Posted 27/11/2012 at 18:31:21
565 Posted 27/11/2012 at 19:41:31
576 Posted 27/11/2012 at 20:33:24
Therefore I believe that the grumblers are right. David Moyes has built a good side that play good football and when we fail to beat Norwich we should not say it's fine we're still 5th but we should be fucking angry. That is a compliment to David Moyes.
588 Posted 27/11/2012 at 21:30:32
To me this is our predicament. If finishing 6th/7th and accepting the accolades for doing so is the norm (and it is), what's the motivation for doing better?
Moyes can push all he wants. Ownership has been fine with mid-table status quo; as been proven and known. Fingers crossed, our players push beyond that.
599 Posted 27/11/2012 at 22:15:31
Most of us would have settled to be where we are in the league at this stage of the season. Maybe the best thing would be to do just that, settle for it (we can't change it), and now embark on the second third of the season with a positive attitude based on what we have seen so far.
The manager does not generally exude such an an attitude, and there was clearly a feeling of foreboding in the crowd on Saturday. Let's lead the way under the lights tomorrow and kick on. There is a good place in the league up for grabs and, more importantly for me, an FA Cup to be won.
620 Posted 28/11/2012 at 03:15:00
Cheeky upstarts WBA (Nick's def.) look good. Mostly, we have been looking good. Just, we've thrown some away and had some piss-poor refereeing decisions. Where WBA seem to be ahead of us is their defensive organisation and the fact that their defenders can actually head the ball. They really do look strong in defence and yet look inspired in attack.
So, what should we do? What we should have done for years. This isn't a new problem. We all know this. Let's hope we can do something about it in the January window. Mr Moyes and BK... are you listening? A tall, strong defender who can win it in the air (doesn't necessarily mean spending a gazillion).
Wins against Arsenal and Spurs, draw against Citteh. Not sure about Stoke as they can just pump in long crosses and have their tall guys take free heading practice. All 3 against Chelsea!!!!!
COYB – Ever the optimist!!!
627 Posted 28/11/2012 at 06:36:41
See! — it's simple.
644 Posted 28/11/2012 at 09:15:50
655 Posted 28/11/2012 at 10:21:25
What actually worries me is the form of some players and the performance of some players. Some posters have suggested that had Naismith laid that sitter on for Jelavic at the weekend then we wouldn't be worried. That's giving TW posters no credit. Had we won I would still have been worried about Pienaar and Jelavic's form as well as the shakiness of our GK and back four.
Still, from looking at the fixture list earlier in the season, this up-coming four matches were always going to be a good way to gauge where the Blues are.
659 Posted 28/11/2012 at 10:47:24
Draws would be OK as they lose points too.
I remain optimistic.
672 Posted 28/11/2012 at 11:58:12
Whilst West Brom are going well, did we ever get what they got on Saturday at Sunderland with a ridiculous penalty for one-nil, then a howler from the keeper to make it two-nil? I've not seen any offside goals against them yet or goals not given. We must have surely gone through our quota off misfortune from the officials, strip that out and we would be sitting on 28 points and not playing very well last week.
Chelsea is a madhouse, Arsenal settled club but beatable, Spurs a sacking waiting to happen for AVB; West Ham, Newcastle and Liverpool will always be off the pace but good enough to take points off each other. So it's down to who wants it more, get our players back, couple of cute signings in January and cue the strong finish.
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