Well I just had a trawl around the papers and that's what Platini is reported to be saying. Uefa are considering expanding the Champions League from 32 to 64 teams, so coming 7th in the Prem can get you in...
Now personally I'm a dinosaur and think only the Champions should get in but I accept I'm pissing in the wind and 4th is the new first, especially for our younger fans who have known no other way.
So I wonder, say in 5 years, will 7th be the new 1st? Will we be celebrating being in the Sky Seven?
When will all this madness end?
David Stewart, Posted 28/11/2012 at 11:53:40
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684 Posted 28/11/2012 at 14:31:05
686 Posted 28/11/2012 at 14:44:04
Players like Fellaini won't be able to make the excuse of "I want to play in the Champions League" because if we can finish 7th or above we could be in it. They would only be moving for the money. Maybe if this had happened years ago Lescott might be still with us :).
Probabaly they are discussing it because Liverpool are struggling to get in the top 6!!! Them lot always come up smelling of roses. I say keep it as it is and KLO (Keep Liverpool Out).
688 Posted 28/11/2012 at 15:09:46
703 Posted 28/11/2012 at 16:23:04
For some reason, I can't see the FA/Uefa being enamoured by the thought of West Brom and Everton joining their top 4. Their is too much money behind the brand of the premier league for it to be represented by peniless footballing clubs rather than media friendly bouquet clubs. This is a crucial period for the modern Everton as now, more than ever, we have to take our chance to get to the top table otherwise it may be a long time before it comes round again.
Call me cynical all you like and I'd love to be proven wrong but I just doubt that giving all teams a chance at CL football is ever a more important goal for Uefa than following what their accountants tell them to do.
723 Posted 28/11/2012 at 17:48:41
I must add, however, even if it hinders clubs like Everton, an expansion like this should have UEFA put emphasis on getting the lesser nations champions into the group stages rather than a 6th place club in a larger nation. As a Shamrock Rovers season ticket holder here in Ireland, 2 seasons ago Rovers had to play 6 games before getting into the Europa League group stage (before inevitably losing all 6 group games). If they played these group games year in year out however, I'm sure they'd improve, as would football in Ireland. Incidentally, the left full that year, Enda Stevens, is now getting a game at the Villa.
725 Posted 28/11/2012 at 18:22:45
The Europa is basically a disaster that no-one really wants to play in, so why not make the big thing bigger and more valuable.
726 Posted 28/11/2012 at 18:23:51
747 Posted 28/11/2012 at 21:55:54
757 Posted 28/11/2012 at 21:59:36
764 Posted 28/11/2012 at 22:22:28
Three or four nights of CL football during the week, well Sky will be all for it.
I can also see the Premier League having Sunday games for all PL teams.
784 Posted 28/11/2012 at 23:47:46
As for these proposals – it seems a better system than the current one. The Europa League, as it stands, is a joke. So many matches for so little reward. And the notion of Champions League teams failing to get through the group stages 'dropping into' the Europa League is awful too. What other competition allows this?
809 Posted 29/11/2012 at 04:29:10
Money is what makes football exciting, just because Everton have slipped away in recent decades, does not give us any moral high ground over Chelsea and Man City. In the 60s and 70s we rode on the back of John Moore's millions taken from gullible pools punters. We beat the likes of Leeds and Liverpool to Alan Balls signature because we could afford his wage demands.
I bet if Everton could afford Messi, Iniesta and Xavi now, non of us would complain about money and football.
Football has always been about money from its earliest roots as a professional sport, money is what made football great and will always be the key ingredient in any top class sport.
Get used to it, for heavens sake we have had long enough.
834 Posted 29/11/2012 at 09:29:41
841 Posted 29/11/2012 at 10:42:34
The transfer record was broken by many other clubs before & after we signed Alan Ball (who wasn't a record transfer when he signed for us, and indeed, became a record transfer when he left for Arsenal).
We might have signed players for what was then high fees, but we didn't break the transfer record until Bob Latchford in 1974 and that IIRC was the only time we broke the record under the Moores's ownership.
The 'Mersey Millionaire' tag given to us then doesn't mean we were out spending like Chelsea or Man City do these days. It just didn't happen like that then.
When you look at trophy winners in the 60s & 70s (and even early 80s) you'll notice that there's a spread between several more clubs than there seems to be over the last 10-15 years. That's because it was a leveller playing field. You can't say we have no right to complain about the dough ruining the game today, as it's concentrated on the 'elite'.
While we may have been one of the 'elite' back then, other, 'smaller' clubs still had spending power that could match ours, if necessary.
Between the first £100k player (Denis Law in 1962) to the first £1m player (Trevor Francis in 1979) the transfer record was broken by no less than 10 different clubs, including Leicester, Derby, WBA & Forest.
Today, that'd be like Norwich, WHU, or Fulham shelling out for Messi (whatever his price'd be).
869 Posted 29/11/2012 at 13:56:39
976 Posted 30/11/2012 at 06:25:33
Needs a bit thought though? Never gonna happen.
980 Posted 30/11/2012 at 07:36:10
I've never understood why Uefa ditched the ECWC, and have always said Uefa ought to go back to the three tournaments (EC, ECWC & Uefa Cup) and that they should be knockout only.
And instead of a one-off 'super cup' between the CL & Europa winners, there should be a 'round robin' between the three winners, and held at the participating clubs' grounds, rather than at Monaco, where the Uefa 'elite' like to show off their (undeserved) wealth, do their shady deals while there, all on freebies.
Also, the winners of the round-robin should automatically qualify for the EC the next season whether they were the previous season's domestic, or the EC winners or not. IMO that should be the only 'backdoor route' into the EC – not 7th bleedin' place; or even 4th for that matter.
990 Posted 30/11/2012 at 09:59:25
Agree 100% with this. I really hope it happens. It would make it much, much easier for teams like ourselves who are always around the top 7 to actually have a realistic shot of attracting and keeping our best players. We might not get the really top players, but if we could offer European football *and* a regular starting spot...
991 Posted 30/11/2012 at 10:11:55
993 Posted 30/11/2012 at 10:46:29
As above it would be far better to have more smaller countries have entrants than to increase the numbers from the likes of the PL. But then money rules that decision too.
000 Posted 30/11/2012 at 11:10:01
004 Posted 30/11/2012 at 11:30:49
015 Posted 30/11/2012 at 13:01:26
020 Posted 30/11/2012 at 14:05:53
Expanding the 'champions' league to the top 6 or 7 clubs is just a big step towards creating a super league. Next step will likely be a complete break off with the top teams in the main leagues reducing the numbers of games they play at home - probably citing having to play 'too many games'.
It will likley only happen onces its too late, but the future of the game lies in a more equal share of the money amoungst all clubs - regardless of size. The bigger clubs simply get bigger and the rest stay where they are. The chances of an Ajax or a Porto winning the CL these days are pretty slim - although in saying that am loving what Dortmund are doing at the moment - breath of fresh air. Young squad which is mainly home grown or cost buttons (Reus excepted), sticking it to te likes of Real and Citeh with great fast attacking football - would love for them to win the whole thing. (Admittedly they are not exactly a minnow with an 80k stadium and won the CL in '97, but they have come back from near bankruptcy with a solid internal youth development policy and a great manager in Klopp - nailed on German manager sometime in the future).
Sorry, am drifting now - long term the game is just fucked! The increased TV money will just lead to higher wages for players and managers.
093 Posted 30/11/2012 at 23:43:58
536 Posted 04/12/2012 at 09:04:34
Those who had dropped into the Europa League would get lots of money to have a crack at qualifying for the Champions League next year, whilst those at the very top would struggle to stay there because of financial reasons.
This would stop the Europa League being a joke and would stop all of this ridiculous 'I want Champions League football' from every above average player in the Prem. Any team would feel they had a chance of getting there and you'd get a continuous upheaval of teams with the money being spread about. Then again, spreading money around has never been in Uefa's interest.
567 Posted 04/12/2012 at 16:21:50
The Champions League should mean Champions only but at the very least should not allow teams in from very weak countries and islands who do not have the same standard of players as the major leagues.
900 Posted 13/12/2012 at 16:05:53
I think a group stage made up of 16 groups of 4 teams sounds good. The teams that win go on to play in the Champions cup knock out whilst the runners up play in the Europa knock out, those that don’t qualify, better luck next year.
Plus, of course it should be weighted! England, Spain, Germany and Italy have plenty of big teams. Holland, France, Portugal and Russia have more than most, and then most other leagues make up the rest. The champions of every league should get the opportunity to qualify of course, but the Finland league (for example) shouldn’t be on equal footing with the German league. There’s no comparison.
I’d rather play in the Europa than not at all, but it is not a draw in the same way as the Champions League. If we were playing (semi) regularly playing in a single European tournament then there wouldn’t be an excuse for players to leave to achieve that. Plus the money is spread across more teams encouraging more competition.
I really can’t see the arguments against. I’d be gutted if the Champions League stayed the same and the Europa turned straight knock out. Gutted!
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