''Terrible start cost us'' says Moyes

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A poor start and not a much-changed side cost Everton the chance of progression in the Capital One Cup at Leeds tonight, according to manager David Moyes.

"We were not very good in the first half, but we got better in the second, but not as good as we've been playing," he said.

"We started terribly, gave them the initiative and lost the game in the opening 20 minutes due to the way we started. We gave away a really poor first goal and left ourselves trying to get back into the game."

On whether or not his decision to rest some players was key, he added: "These boys are in the squad and have to be able to show they can come in and play. If you don't use them, what's the point in having them? The players want to play and be involved."

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Ian Bennett
1 Posted 26/09/2012 at 07:06:18
Fine, introduce them after 50 mins then. What does them better? 40 mins playing in a side playing well & winning? — or starting and being hauled off at half time?
Mike Green
2 Posted 26/09/2012 at 07:18:06
Well said David Moyes.
Peter Barry
3 Posted 26/09/2012 at 07:31:51
I would have been more impressed if Davey did a Mea Culpa and admitted he got the the Everton Team selection , the Tactics and his assessment of the Leeds team all wrong which is what REALLY happened.
Jamie Barlow
4 Posted 26/09/2012 at 07:41:43
"These boys are in the squad and have to be able to show they can come in and play. If you don't use them, what's the point in having them? The players want to play and be involved."

Spot on.

Peter, did you watch the game?

If you did, how can you totally dismiss how the players performed?

Martin Mason
5 Posted 26/09/2012 at 07:54:22
Absolutely spot on Davey Boy

This is why football fans aren't managers.

Mark Jensen
6 Posted 26/09/2012 at 08:04:53
Players let manager down last night, simple as that. 71st minute before first shot on target.
Rob Young
7 Posted 26/09/2012 at 08:11:24
This was truly awful. Moyes is spot on this time, some players showed yesterday there is really no point in having them.
Naysmith was maybe the worst of all them, Gueye was awful, Oviedo didn't show any promise. Coleman? No positive contribution, he should be able to do better. Missed opportunities for all three of them.
Maybe only Junior at least showed he wants to play. Not great but for his first start at least he showed ther is something there.

Also, what Neville was supposed to add to the team in the second half I do not know. Surely his time is up.

Amit Vithlani
8 Posted 26/09/2012 at 07:51:56
Personally, don't give a flying monkey's arse about the League Cup. This competition has been our bogey for many many years. The all-conquering side of the 80's failed to win it. Its the curse of the League Cup, or whoever-the-latest-sponsor-is Cup

So its not the going out that rankles, but the gutless, inept pathetic first half performance. Whether its the League Cup, Worthington Cup, Capital One Cup or whatever, players playing in a blue shirt in a competitive fixture need to show much more. Moyes blooded a few - a mistake at Elland Road - but Felli and Heitinga looked like they'd rather be somewhere else. Not acceptable.

We also got done by West Brom and Leeds hustling and harrying like we used to do at our pomp. Why can't we cope? The derby matches are exactly the same. Our great side had a fantastic blend of silk and steel. If we had a Cars or a Big Dunc in this side, we would have a complete team. Since we can't, someone within the existing ranks needs to stand-up and be the team's terrier.

The mental fragility shows through in another aspect - we have lost again having conceded the first goal. If we are to win a trophy or qualify for the CL, mentally the players need to be strong enough to overcome such set backs. The 4-4 at United showed a never say die attitude which we need to display this on a regular basis.

Richard Jones
9 Posted 26/09/2012 at 08:25:46
Correct me if I'm wrong Martin but didn't Moyes support Celtic as a boy?
Drew O'Neall
10 Posted 26/09/2012 at 08:34:37
Moyes makes a fair point but there are a two to three players in every team which makes it tick and ours are Pienaar, Baines and Fellaini.

Unless you are Man U and you have worldys on the bench chomping at the bit, then these players have to play from the start, even if they are to be rested later on.

Other players can be fed in but it was a big ask to expect all those new players to just turn up and play the way the first team has been.

Thomas Windsor
11 Posted 26/09/2012 at 08:44:22
Too many changes for one game... but let's beat Southampton with the style of football we beat Swansea and we will forget this result.
Peter Barnes
12 Posted 26/09/2012 at 09:10:07
As Drew says these players have to be fed in — not all dumped in, in one go.

Let's not forget there weren't just the 6 changes from Saturday involved. We had 3 missing at Swansea: Jelavic, Gibson and Hibbert were all out for the Swans. As it happened, we had 3 able subs in Coleman for Hibbo, Neville for Gibson, and Victor for Jelavic. Who all played well at Swansea.

With those 3 missing from the starting line-up (I appreacite that Jelavic came on in the 2nd half), we started the game without 9 first team regulars!! What exactly did David Moyes expect.

That sort of nonsense would have stretched most squads. It certainly was too much for us.

Shane Corcoran
13 Posted 26/09/2012 at 09:31:53
I'm glad the general consensus is that the blame lies with the players. I couldn't believe the majority of posts on the match report thread blaming Moyes for resting players when the vast majority of the pre-match comments were asking for this very thing.
I thin

Hopefully it works as the kick up the arse they need to keep them focused on games like the three coming up. It may just have saved some of them from complacency.

Brian Harrison
14 Posted 26/09/2012 at 09:24:20
Well maybe all the people calling for Osman and Neville to be left out, may know realise how important they are alongside Gibson when fit. Fellaini played in his preffered role last night and as Peter Reid said his performance was less than average as were most of the team. Were was Heitinga for their first goal at least 20 yards in front of Fellaini, and people were saying he is better than Jags dream on.

The fringe players had a great chance to come in and put a marker down, but sadly none did that. I thought Gueye and Junior were awful neither got involved at all, in Gueyes case he has had enough games to have done better.
Naismith was another fringe player who failed to impress.

Lets hope that this reminded our players that you have to put the effort in to win any game and not just turn up and expect to win because you have been playing well. Also lets hope our supporters also realise that Moyes plays Osman and Neville not because they are his favourites as some suggest but because they are effective in their positions. So think on next time you ask for a fringe player to play Moyes sees them everday in training and if he doesnt think they warrant a place then thats good enough for me.

Shane Corcoran
15 Posted 26/09/2012 at 09:36:43
And also, again, the Toffeeweb headline over the match report is out of order I feel. Surely "Everton Squander........." rather than "Moyes squanders....." is more suitable with the topic to be discussed.
Christine Foster
16 Posted 26/09/2012 at 09:53:43
The old saying " Don't change a winning team" was driven home last night to David Moyes. Surely the time to blood new / fringe players is NOT from the off but once the job is done.

Secondly, if your going to change a few, change two or three, not wholesale disruption.

Teams take time to establish, when new blood is brought in it affects the established players too as it limits their normal choices.

David Moyes got it wrong last night. He gambled and it didn't pay off. It was his judgement that the selection could and would do the job. No question about it. This is NOT about slating the players you played, the selection was wrong and they never recovered or looked likely too.

The took Leeds for granted and got justly caned for it. Its what happens when you make so many changes, disorganised, no communication, indecision. What did he expect?

Paul David
17 Posted 26/09/2012 at 09:55:58
The terrible start, middle and end cost us. I don't see why any footballer needs a rest, 2 games in a week, every week should be no problem. You need to give other players a chance to show what they can do but Gueye for me is a poor player and should not play at all.

Brian

Neville came on for the second half and was shit.

Barry Rathbone
18 Posted 26/09/2012 at 10:01:11
@Moyes

"These boys are in the squad and have to be able to show they can come in and play. If you don't use them, what's the point in having them? The players want to play and be involved."

No Moyes you thick head, it's your job to KNOW if the players you've assembled are up to it.

You hold onto players not good enough too long we end up with a complacent first 11 who sooner or later start putting their feet up in games.

Rather than winning cups and maintaining the standards of the Utd, Villa games in the league we clock off.

Our only hope of siverware are the 2 cups getting binned out year on year by lower league clubs is a shite R&D policy.

Bob Parrington
19 Posted 26/09/2012 at 10:14:46
Wow! Davey's actually getting some real support on Toffeeweb!
Denis Richardson
20 Posted 26/09/2012 at 11:55:52
A combination of the players playing shite and also mistake in selection by the manager are at fault here, imo. Responsibility rests with both.

Its all good and well Moyes saying the players are in the squad and need to step in when called upon. However, when this includes i) numerous players who have yet to make their debut and have never played with each other outside training, ii) away to a warnock leeds utd side and iii) terrible weather, you have to also really question the team selection from the manager.

Only thing I can say to maybe back up Moyes is that he may have looked at the oppo and weather precisely becasue of these decided to rest more 1st teamers, not because they needed a rest (its only sept ffs) but mainly to avoid getting anymore key players injured (given Gibson and Jelavic's recent injuries). It would have been a disaster if a pienaar or baines had gotten injured in those conditions from a 'full blooded' flying challenge from a pumped up leeds player.

Whatever the reason, we're out so no point dwelling on it. I for one am really disappointed. The cup may not mean as much as the FA cup but its a trophy non the less and 17 years is a ridiculously long time. I'd rather win this and finish 12th than not win it and finish 8th!

Onto the fa cup........

Tony J Williams
21 Posted 26/09/2012 at 12:41:14
Imagine that, a manager not taking the first few rounds of a pretty pointless cup seriously? The best managers never do that, do they?

Too many changes = Moyes fault, players not being arsed about the game = Players fault, whole equation means it both the players and managers fault but as usual Predictable Peter solely blames Moyes.

Robbie Muldoon
22 Posted 26/09/2012 at 12:46:06
We got too big for our boots last night... I think a much changed side can't help but manifest its self in the minds of the players that they are playing an inferior side, which of course they were not.

Rusty players, a disjointed team and a poor first goal. That's what happened. There is no way David Moyes can claim he really wanted to win this, or he would have played a full strength 11.

Take it on the chin I say, as long as we don't witness anything that bad again this season.

Noel Lynam
23 Posted 26/09/2012 at 13:15:22
Shane @ 167,

A headline of "Everton squander another cup chance" wouldn't generate as much reaction / controversy as "Moyes squanders another cup chance"

The words are not chosen by accident. Or did I miss the "Magnificent Moyes Slaughters Swansea" headline last Saturday?

Sur Jo
24 Posted 26/09/2012 at 13:18:53
I can understand claims that the manager got it wrong in terms of selection, tactics etc. Fair enough. At the same time, a manager's performance can only be as good as his players'. The 1st-half midfield yesterday did not function at all. We can also say that the manager has assembled a weak squad besides his first 11. But again that's Everton, my club. I mean we do not have the money to have a bench a la Chelsea, Man City etc.

My point is simple: We go in waves. We have our ups and downs. One day we'll go all the way in a cup competition. But for now, sometimes it will happen and sometimes it won't, that's the nature of our team. The best will be that we do well enough to stay in the top-half of the league table and try to nick in a European place. As for us winning a cup at this moment, it's like buying lottery: you just don't know, at times we can beat ManU, at other times we can't be arsed to beat a Championship team.

Sur Jo
25 Posted 26/09/2012 at 13:33:24
Desire

That's what Leeds players showed on the night. Did anybody notice how they were time-wasting to preserve their lead? That's a sign that they wanted the cup more than Everton on the night.

Kase Chow
26 Posted 26/09/2012 at 13:23:22
When we win, we 'should' win.

When we lose, it's because of Moyes and 'Moyes Lost'.

I often think the man is a victim of his own success. Believe me, there are few managers out there that could have achieved what he has given the paucity of resources and the circumstances.

I have a friend who's a big Villa fan - a few seasons ago we were comprable sides competing for 4th-6th. Now look at them.

Another mate is a big Newcastle fan. Yes they finished above us last season but over 10 years compare records.

Even Spurs, City (pre Sheikh money), etc. I am annoyed by our ineptitude to win 1 off important games but I'm also realitic enough to know that few could do a better job

Ian Edwards
27 Posted 26/09/2012 at 13:39:54
Its well known on this site that i've been critical of moyes but I wouldnt have a go today. The team should have been good enough to beat an under strength leeds team. Players to blame.
Kev Johnson
28 Posted 26/09/2012 at 13:42:22
Kase - what do you mean, DM is a "victim of his own success"? He hasn't had any.
Chris Davies
29 Posted 26/09/2012 at 12:29:39
I wonder whether people think that our (typical) late season form is just a marvelous stroke of luck? Maybe, because our players are fresh(er) while others teams 11 are faltering? Maybe if we didn't go out of the Mickey Mouse cup so early, or if he didn't rest key players, then they'd be knackered comewhat May?
I prefer seeing our manager prioritize the League over this muck.

All I know is, had Pienaar, Baines, Jelavić etc picked up knocks last night, I'd have been fuming.

Shitty cup for mid-table muck (ie RS)

Sur Jo
30 Posted 26/09/2012 at 14:01:32
Chris @#260

I like the spirit. Makes me feel better about the loss.

Nelly Verdonghan
31 Posted 26/09/2012 at 13:46:18
Last night proved beyond all doubt that we do not have any strength in depth. The two he took off at half time should never have been there in the first place...(especially Junior he just looked like a rabbit caught in the headlights.).... and despite some energetic performances of late we all know Big Vic & Gueye offer very little....they weren't alone as because I'm sure Moyes would have used all five subs if he'd been allowed.

This is the one competition that we had a realistic chance of winning so why he put out THAT team god only knows...that is why we will NEVER win a trophy under Moyes. It wouldn't be so bad if he had come out afterwards and had the humility to admit he got it wrong...but unfortunately Moyesie doesn't ever admit he's made a mistake just makes a defence of what was a very poor team selection.

He ( and Round) stated before the game that Everon were very serious about winning this cup competition then he goes and puts out THAT team...!! a complete contradiction of terms to say the very least.

Quite simply...IMO if you want to WIN trophies you play your STRONGEST team...you won't win anything playing your rezzies !! especially when your rezzies quite clearly aren't good enough !!

I'd much rather finish 8th in the Premiership and win the League Cup than finish 5th in the Premiership and qualify for the Europa League...oh sorry forgot....guess what comes with winning the League Cup ??? Automatic qualification for the Europa League.
Despite our decent start I'm not foolish enough to really believe we will finish in the top 4...IMO realistically 5th is the best we can hope for so why not win a trophy along the way ??? Moyes baffles me at times...he really does

Clarence Yurcan
32 Posted 26/09/2012 at 14:14:36
Like many, I was extremely disappointed at this result. But, there's nothing to do now but march forward and hope for, nay believe, the best. We will win the league! If we believe, it will happen!
Dan McKie
33 Posted 26/09/2012 at 14:13:05
Nelly, showing strength in depth doesn't mean making 6 changes and still going out and winning. Most sides couldnt do that, and how often is any team forced to do that. Why not play Oviedo, but still have Pienaar in front of him? Baines plays like Baines because he has a great player in front of him, who he also has a good understanding with. Oviedo got thrown in with the useless Gueye to play off. Play Junior in the middle, but have Neville and Fellaini supporting. Make subtle changes rather than wholesale and see how the lads fit in, not see how all the fringe players play together just in case we have 6 or 7 injuries one game!

Coleman is starting to worry me, he just doesnt look a defender, constantly on the wrong side of his man, and is proving equally useless going forward.

Im yet to see an even half decent performance from Naismith, and the experience we did start with last night just didnt support the others well enough.

Steve King
34 Posted 26/09/2012 at 14:05:35
Barry #182 "No Moyes you thick head, it's your job to KNOW if the players you've assembled are up to it."

Fair enough..............maybe thats why he has let Ross Barkley go on loan and we haven't seen Vellios play this season?
There are a number of people on here who have demanded a chance for the younger players and that claim Moyes never gives them a chance......but then when he does give them a chance he gets slaughtered for it..........the man cant win!!

I was thoroughly pissed off after the game last night but there were two positives I tried to focus on,
1)No injuries picked up
2)Brian Oviedo looked quick and enthusiastic down the left, in a team playing really badly he at least managed to show a little bit of quality.

Richard Reeves
35 Posted 26/09/2012 at 13:39:29
For years, Moyes has done my head right in with late substitutions, wrong team selections (allways picking his favourites irrespective of form), being to cautious, adopting a style of play that would put most to sleep, etc, etc... but I agree completely with what he say's here.

I've allways wanted Moyes to use this competition as an opportunity to give some of the squad players (particularly the young ones) a chance to get more experience and form, so when he finally does something close to it and we loose because of it then I can't really complain about not sticking to a winning formula.

If it had of worked last night then the fight for a first team spot intensifies which would've created a stronger belief throughout the squad. Of course I would've liked us to of destroyed dirty Leeds last night but I think he had the right idea in that team selection.
Tony J Williams
36 Posted 26/09/2012 at 14:20:10
"especially when your rezzies quite clearly aren't good enough" - They were good enough for Leeds, six players out with injuries, I heard....oh look, we made six changes too but played like a bunch of pansies/strangers.
Steve King
37 Posted 26/09/2012 at 14:25:25
On another note, Naismith reminds me of the sort of player we had in the mid 90s.... We've moved on since then. We require players that are more than just honest and hard working. I can see him as a back-up player at best... I hope he proves me wrong.
Alun Jones
38 Posted 26/09/2012 at 14:37:42
Steve King spot on. DM is damned if he does and damned if he does not. So many people on here are simply "wise after the event" . The team put out should have been good enough but gifting a goal after 4 mins was always going to make it difficult at such a hostile place as Elland Road. I was happy with the team selection before the game so I can't switch my stance now. Also I agree Naismith so far looks stunningly ordinary.

As to the comment that Moyes should know if they are good enough from Barry just to me sums up some of the more dumb posts on this forum.

Roberto Birquet
39 Posted 26/09/2012 at 14:43:41
I'm worried that no Gibson and no Hibbert means Neville in midfield, and Coleman at right back this weekend. When you get ambitious for top 4; it means haveing to win at least every other game, and always beating the likes of Southampton. Coleman is making too many defensive blunders. He was poor last night, rash in his tackles when he should be just holding attacking players up.

He gave away the free kick that eventually won the game yesterday, and did the same in last season's Cup Semi with a ridiculously rash challenge on Gerrard two minutes from extra time. It's not nearly good enough. Perhaps he needs to drop a league or two and "make his mistakes there". But at a club that uses him as a defender, or else we ONLY use him as a back up midfielder, or sell!

Steve King
40 Posted 26/09/2012 at 14:57:41
Roberto, I completely agree with your comments about Coleman's defending, except that he already spent time at Blackpool in the Championship where he played right back in their promotion season.
I think he simply isn't a premier league quality defender
Pete Cross
41 Posted 26/09/2012 at 14:52:57
I am a big Moyes fan but last night he got it wrong. We put out a strong team against Leyton Orient at home so why so many changes last night? We learnt nothing about the fringe players — blood them one at a time!
Mohammed Horoub
42 Posted 26/09/2012 at 15:09:53
I agree the performance was poor but in the big picture this season's focus should be all about the Champions League spot. I think it's unfair to say Moyes took a dive when we all know how important a Cup is to him and his reputation. Bad day at the office, get Baines back in there and bring on Southampton. Only positive was Junior, the potential is there and needs to be released.
Jim Harrison
43 Posted 26/09/2012 at 15:22:09
Of course, Leeds players and their attitude/efforts had nothing to do with the result of this game..............
Steve Carse
44 Posted 26/09/2012 at 15:33:21
Jim (290), of course it did — but nowhere near as much as that team selection. And that is the critical point. Why risk defeat at all by weakening the side? Tiredness? Bollocks. Giving youth a chance? — our best young player had already been farmed out to Sheffield when this would have been an ideal chance to have blooded him more, whilst to throw them into a team of disorganised individuals is tough on them and totally the wrong decision to have made.
Thomas Lennon
45 Posted 26/09/2012 at 15:47:45
Winning the Capital One Cup - £100 000

Every place in the Premier League - £1 million

But a few bragging rights would have been nice

Dan McKie
46 Posted 26/09/2012 at 15:51:25
Playing Gueye made the left side obsolete, Oviedo didnt stand a chance. What position was Naismith playing? He seemed to be doing nothing all over the pitch. Fellaini had to do the attacking and defensive part of the midfield. Coleman is crap, and Mirrallas went totally missing and didnt look up for a battle. We brought Jelavic on but god knows why, the service to the forwards was non-existent all night.
Dan McKie
47 Posted 26/09/2012 at 15:55:56
Thomas, that would be great if it were guaranteed, but it isn't. We rested loads in the derby last year with saturday in mind, and did we win on the saturday? No! One of the oldest cliches in football is to take each game as it comes, and we cant afford to be looking any further ahead than the next game.

Also, sod the money, I want to see Everton win something for once!

Jim Harrison
48 Posted 26/09/2012 at 16:07:05
Thomas, I am with you! The team put out should have been good enough to beat Leeds, it was a poor performance by the players. So much for taking your chance when it comes along.

Steve 292, my point is quite simple, the Leeds players were more up for this one, that is the beauty of cup football, players at clubs in lower league positions get their chance to have a go at the big boys. Its great when we knock out utd etc, but when we get knocked out (fielding a second string team) its the end of the world, the manager is shit, the players useless and the pies like dog shit. Sack the manager and sell fellenni for 50pence

James Stewart
49 Posted 26/09/2012 at 15:52:31
We simply don't have a big enough squad to compete with our " second" team players. We can muster a good first eleven but beyond that it's pretty poor.

Naismith worries me. I expected him to be a lot better...

Mark Press
50 Posted 26/09/2012 at 17:50:06
Denis Richardson (230) has a good point. It would've been too risky to play our best players last night with thugs like Michael Brown strolling on the pitch.
Ian Bennett
51 Posted 26/09/2012 at 20:28:18
Thomas 694 — I watch Everton in the main hope we might win something. If we aren't going to try, what's the point? The floating fan and new fans make up some of the prize money gap.
Ian Bennett
52 Posted 26/09/2012 at 20:53:05
I am so fucking angry over that team selection and team performance.
Ciarán McGlone
53 Posted 26/09/2012 at 21:14:19
Steve King,

Doesn't he just... I keep thinking of Steve Watson.


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