Barkley strikes twice in Owls win

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Ross Barkley, out on loan in the Championship, powered Sheffield Wednesday to a rare win with two of their three goals at Ipswich Town today.

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Paul Gladwell
1 Posted 27/10/2012 at 16:22:08
Barkley just scored a screamer his second of the game...

We could have done with him on the bench instead of shit like Gueye.
Mark Tanton
2 Posted 27/10/2012 at 16:32:13
I hope Barkley gets a fair crack at Everton - I think he can legitimately feel hard done by so far in his career. Imagine if Barkley been rolled on the QPR area like Neville was - a bollocking and a substitution would have been almost instant.
Ian Bennett
3 Posted 27/10/2012 at 16:40:50
2-goal Barkley!!!
Andy Crooks
4 Posted 27/10/2012 at 16:43:30
It seems that Ross Barkley has looked really good today. We have a shortage of cover in midfield (the admirable Neville is out of his depth ) yet a fine young prospect is out on loan.

I was disappointed when he went to Wednesday but the supporters of David Moyes seen it as another example of his wisdom. Is there a single Evertonian who wouldn't like Barkley in the squad for tomorrow?

Ian Bennett
5 Posted 27/10/2012 at 16:51:22
Andy - playing is going to do him a lot go good. It was the right long term thing to do for the lad.

If he has a stormer in the month recall him.

If we hadn't had the injuries he would have still been playing in the u21s, which is pointless for him at the level he is at. He needed something in the middle of u21s and premiership, I.e where he is now.

Paul Gladwell
6 Posted 27/10/2012 at 17:14:56
When you saw our bench last week with two centre halves and Gueye it does piss me off, but as Ian has said it will benefit him more in the long run, see how this month goes and get him back and send Gueye out as what I have seen it is him who needs loaning out with Velios too.
Mike Gaynes
7 Posted 27/10/2012 at 17:33:20
Well done, son!

Anybody see the game? We won't get the highlights here in the US for another 12 hours or so.

Ian Bennett
8 Posted 27/10/2012 at 17:46:16
Paul – he'll be like a .... New signing.
Graham Mockford
9 Posted 27/10/2012 at 17:29:29
Andy Crooks, there's at least one!

Lets put into perspective his loan spell. It is hugely encouraging that he seems to be getting decent ( if not universally positive) reviews. But he is playing at a much lower level and today is his first winning performance against a woeful Ipswich side.

It was apparent to most that saw his performances that he was not ready for the PL, given his age and recent bad injury. A loan spell in the Championship seems a good opportunity for him to be schooled and if necessary learn through his experience.

It may feel frustrating that we have a potential gem but he is not the answer yet. If he was he would not be on loan.

Ian Bennett
10 Posted 27/10/2012 at 17:48:52
Ipswich are pretty poor, but hope he is kicking on for his development. Could make a real impact in 2nd half season, but let's not get to carried away just yet.
Brendan McLaughlin
11 Posted 27/10/2012 at 17:53:57
Powered Sheffield Wednesday to a RARE win over MANAGERLESS Ipswich. Good to see Moyes decision to send him out on loan paying dividends.
Paul Andrews
12 Posted 27/10/2012 at 18:02:01
Martin Keown this morning: "I watched Sheffield Wednesday last weekend. I was hugely impressed by Ross Barkley. He is full of imagination, has an eye for a pass and is one of the best young midfielders I have seen in many a year. He is two footed and can be the English equivalent of Santi Cazorla".

He is not ready for Prem football week-in & week-out just yet. He soon will be, leave him where he is and have another look in January. This kid has the potential to be a great player for us.
Paul Gladwell
13 Posted 27/10/2012 at 18:14:58
Graham,

I saw his three starts, two MotM against QPR and Huddersfield, and a boo boo at Blackburn and I did not see he was not ready at least for bench duty every week.

Not saying there were not other issues but how can you say he was not ready on the basis of those games?
Andy Crooks
14 Posted 27/10/2012 at 18:59:48
Graham #561, seriously, you really wouldn't like to see him at least on the bench tomorrow? Brendan, if we had loads of cover in midfield then Moyes's decision would be paying dividends. I thought it was the wrong decision at the time and now I'm more convinced. He could have been receiving these plaudits against QPR.
Graham Mockford
15 Posted 27/10/2012 at 19:27:42
Paul (#566) — like you, we were all impressed with Villarreal (preseason friendly), QPR (we lost) and Huddersfield (lower league opposition). However, after that it went downhill culminating in a really poor display coming on as sub against Man Utd. I am convinced it was that day Davey realised although he knows he has a player with real potential he just was not ready to be mixing it week-in week & week out in the PL.

It's always easy to fall into the trap of heaping expectation onto unknown quantities, FFS there are those calling for Hitz to be chucked into the derby game, even a few who admit they have never seem him play... (Take a bow, Jimmy!)

So Andy (#571) no I'm not too worried but I do live in hope that one of these days he will take a derby match by the scruff of its neck and show the world what a player he is.

Andy Meighan
16 Posted 27/10/2012 at 20:05:41
Like I've posted before, in footballing terms he's light years ahead of Gueye, Junior and the Finch Farm mafia. He should be at least on the bench tomorrow... but No, we'll probably get that sulking miserable 'world owes me a living' prick Anichebe out wide right.

And god help us if Phil "I can't pass a ball to save my life but I'm great at shaking my fist" Neville starts... words fail me sometimes with this manager.
Si Cooper
17 Posted 27/10/2012 at 20:24:31
Playing at a much lower level (Graham, #561)? Seems rather condescending and if it were true it would just make the whole idea of loaning him out pointless.

It is a moot point because the decision has been made to extend his loan, but there is no proof in any of this that Everton couldn't have made good use of the lad at this moment in time if the manager was prepared to show a bit more faith in him.

Graham Mockford
18 Posted 27/10/2012 at 20:36:35
Si #586 so how is comparing playing in the Championship vs the PL as a much lower level condescending? Surely just stating the bleeding obvious.

However your second paragraph takes some beating. There is no proof for something that hasn't happened, well just take a minute to think about that.

Got it yet?

Brendan McLaughlin
19 Posted 27/10/2012 at 20:52:27
Si #586
"there is no proof in any of this".....whereas in all of the other threads??????
Peter Warren
20 Posted 27/10/2012 at 20:54:30
Gettin good experience just what he needs. I'd be made up to see him on our bench but long term he needs to play 90 min games and right decision him being on loan
Si Cooper
21 Posted 27/10/2012 at 20:53:26
Graham, it is the next division down and the whole idea is to improve the lad in a way that we can't apparently do in-house. Saying it is a MUCH lower level is condescending and IF it were true would be the best argument for the loan being a complete waste of time.

People are trumpeting this as the best thing for the lad and the club and shooting down people who think he may be capable of coming-off the bench for us in a period where we are low on truly capable midfielders. Just pointing out that it is simply opinion versus opinion rather than case closed for those who think he is not ready for our first team.

Do you get it?

Si Cooper
22 Posted 27/10/2012 at 21:03:01
Brendan (#590), the majority of stuff on TW is simply one person's opinion against another.

Some people make it sound as though they KNOW better or that their opinion is more valid than the person they are disagreeing with, often by making wholly subjective comments which they cannot actually substantiate. Sometimes I feel like pointing out this nonsense.

Graham Mockford
23 Posted 27/10/2012 at 21:04:11
No Si I don't get it.

Let's not get hung up on much, lets just agree its a lower level. But a higher level than the U21s.

Finally however you get to the nub of the argument. Should he be developing in the Championship or playing first team football. Do I go with your view or DM's?

Let me just think about that for a minute.......

Si Cooper
24 Posted 27/10/2012 at 21:26:55
Graham you are one of those who think DM has never (and never will) got it wrong, and I am one of those who think he is a very good manager but fallible all the same.

Neither of us can prove anything one way or the other, and to be honest I am not trying to convert anyone to my way of thinking. Just pointing out that your unsubstantiated opinion is not sufficient to convince me that you have an answer that I cannot grasp.

Mark Wilson
25 Posted 27/10/2012 at 21:38:43
Deja vu time. Same debate as when his first four week loan came to an end. Only difference is the lad has started the second spell with a couple of goals. I still think he will learn more on our bench coming on for twenty minutes when things are going ok and he can gradually build confidence. I'm coming round to accept that he's still a year away from the player we hoped for, but you never know we could see something January onwards. Fingers crossed because the hype is never ending.
Graham Mockford
26 Posted 27/10/2012 at 21:35:15
Si FFS by definition an opinion is unsubstantiated otherwise it would be a fact.

We are discussing opinions, you have your say I have mine. Yours on this matter in my opinion is a crock of shit. We will never be able to 'prove' anything.

I really don't to want to change your opinion, I just want to highlight the inadequacy of your argument.

Jim Lloyd
27 Posted 27/10/2012 at 21:51:10
I think Ian Bennett #555 got it right. Ross has loads of talent but it doesn't mean he's ready yet. It could be the quickest way for him to learn but it could also damage his confidence no end. I think that's what happened to Jack Rodwell. (I hope for our sake I'm wrong and he turns out to be average!) I've seen young players get thrown in for Everton, they've been labelled as "boy wonders, starlets and teenage sensations" but there's only Rooney that I can think of who fulfilled his promise so richly.

We've usually thrown young players in through desperation, not to bring them on. So on this occasion, although I'd love to see him become the master of our midfield, maybe it's the right way for him to come through. Someone earlier wrote that he might be ready for the 2nd half of the season, well that'd be great but better that he's ready than chuck him in too soon.
Si Cooper
28 Posted 27/10/2012 at 21:57:12
Okay Graham, last attempt cause I am bored.

Firstly, I haven't actually put forward an argument of any kind, merely pointed out that your comment seemed excessively disparaging, which actually makes it an argument for the pointlessness of the loan which you were patently trying to support. To 'highlight the inadequacy of my argument' you need to explain how playing at a MUCH lower level will improve the player more quickly than training with the Everton first team and making regular and substantial appearances from the bench.

Not all opinions are necessarily unsubstantiated as they may be informed, for instance, by circumstantial evidence of a level sufficient to persuade the majority of their merit. The only thing you have offered so far is your apparent belief in the infallibility of Davey when it comes to his decisions over the development of Ross Barkley. As you have no evidence in this matter your opinion is open to the definition of being unsustantiated (as indeed is mine and Andy Crooks in this matter, but I have NOT attempted to shoot yours down, merely pointing out that it has no inherent ability to change the opinions of others).

James Stewart
29 Posted 27/10/2012 at 22:49:43
Never agreed with the logic if this loan and still don't
Dick Fearon
30 Posted 27/10/2012 at 23:00:57
TW is great, Footy banter is not bad but the grammar is marvellous.
Mike Gaynes
31 Posted 27/10/2012 at 23:12:49
If Barkley were to be on the bench tomorrow, he wouldn't have scored the two goals today.

I think the two goals today will do him far more good, in terms of competence and confidence, than sitting on the bench tomorrow would have.

Keeping in mind that he's only 18 chronologically and even younger as a professional -- he lost a year to the broken leg -- count me as an enthusiastic supporter of Moyes' decision to loan him out. This lad needs to PLAY, not sit and watch.

Mike Gaynes
32 Posted 27/10/2012 at 23:23:55
So is the spelling, Dick. It's grammar.
Andy Crooks
33 Posted 28/10/2012 at 00:53:42
Graham, would you not agree that Si makes a fair point when he suggests that Moyes is not always right? It's happened before, you know.
James Flynn
34 Posted 28/10/2012 at 01:32:30
Moyes put him where he should be in his development. U-21s? He's already proven he's better than fellow youngsters. Let's see from now to X-mas. A complete waste of his improvement to be sitting and watching an EPL game. We fans have that covered.

He's getting repeated 90 minutes against career, adult professionals. Right where he should be at 18.

Phil Sammon
35 Posted 28/10/2012 at 01:31:35
'Only 18 chronologically'

That's a phrase I've never heard before.

The lad wasn't in our first team plans so he's gone on loan. I really don't see the issue. He will return a better player.

Peter Jones
36 Posted 28/10/2012 at 02:42:06
Everyone constantly complains about our midfield, namely Osman and Neville. Personally, I just can't stand Neville there, but obviously injuries leave us no other choice at the moment.

Barkley needs to be getting regular run outs and starts when Osman picks up knocks during the season after his loan is up. Doubt anyone can make a convincing argument that he isn't twice the midfielder Neville is as a teenager. Don't care about his inexperience. He's a better player and to gain experience, you've got to play. Simple as that. 'Protecting' him doesn't do us any good.

If we can pick up Vadis from Brugge in the January window, we should be gravy for years to come in the center of the pitch. Gibson and Vadis would start with Osman and Barkley coming in as reinforcements. Lovely.
Mike Gaynes
37 Posted 28/10/2012 at 04:10:27
"Barkley needs to be getting regular run outs and starts..."

"...to gain experience, you've got to play."

Uh, Peter, hello?

That's what he's doing at Wednesday. That's what he's not yet ready to do for us.

And as for this ongoing fantasy about Vadis, give it a rest. You haven't the slightest idea if the guy is any good. You've never seen him play -- almost none of us has -- and you've got him in the starting lineup already.

Go back to sleep and wake up when you can start making sense.

Dick Fearon
38 Posted 28/10/2012 at 04:57:41
Mike @ 617, Gotcha!
Ian Bennett
39 Posted 28/10/2012 at 07:25:48
Mike - I agree, but you can't knock the use of the word gravy. It is underused in everyday posts.
Paul Gladwell
40 Posted 28/10/2012 at 07:46:02
Graham, how come the same has not happened to Gueye? aside from two ok games alls I have seen is an over weight slow footballer out of his depth and yet he starts games and is always sub, he could not lace Barkleys boots and I would take a loss of possession anytime to have someone available on the bench with a goal threat in him.
I am not saying this'd an should not have happened alls I am saying we wasted a year last year by not giving him more play time, if that had something to do with the big time charley rumours fair play, but if it was down to that Blackburn balls up then that's bollocks, maybe Beville should be banished to the stands today after last week, his cost us a goal, Barkleys never.
Paul Gladwell
41 Posted 28/10/2012 at 07:52:22
Sorry about my spelling a hungover iPhone problem.
Graham Mockford
42 Posted 28/10/2012 at 08:14:20
Si it's like I've just woken up, it's 1983 and I'm back in the sixth form debating society.

Forget all this pedantic nonsense over whether you are making an argument, giving me your opinion or blowing smoke out of your arse.
I don't claim DM is infallible, I believe that only applies to the Pope and there are plenty of altars boys willing to argue that one.
However I would be more persuaded by DM's opinion on the matter than yours because
A) he's more experienced in these matters and
B) he's seeing the lad in training every day.

Could he be wrong, of course he could. Do I think he's wrong , no.

Ian Bennett
43 Posted 28/10/2012 at 08:54:34
Just seen his goals. The first is from the corner of the penalty box when the ball was cleared/saved from a shot from the other side. Not bad. He stroked through a lot of players to get it in.

His second was high class. Takes ball down on the d of the penalty box. A quick change of weight to his other side, and then smacks it in the bottom left hand corner outside the penalty area. Keeper no chance.

Ciarán McGlone
44 Posted 28/10/2012 at 09:07:53
Deploying "the sun shines outta Moyes's arse" argument really is waste of brain cells.

Barkley had two cracking games for us, then had an average one... and then was dropped. Moyes handled him badly.

He should be at Everton... Not risking injury in a hacker's league.

Tony Twist
45 Posted 28/10/2012 at 09:36:58
could have done with barkley today we are so weak in midfield. Have him behind jelavic, fellaini further back in CM. Good to see him getting regular games just hope he is at a team that will give him more than that. Blackpool would be my choice.
Jason Heng
46 Posted 28/10/2012 at 10:19:43
Barkley is out on-loan only because he is on the verge of first-team selection. Games like this build him up more than 15 minutes off the bench.
Steven Jones
48 Posted 28/10/2012 at 12:15:26
With the derby scheduled for Sunday and the presence of young Everton starlet Barkely in the Sheffield Wednesday team, I took the opportunity to make a rare visit to my local football league ground Portman Road.

Despite the wintry showers and northerly wind, the playing conditions looked good and my anticipation was soon rewarded as, in the first minute, Barkley, playing on the right of centre-midfield, started a move and then moved cleverly to the left edge of the penalty area to meet a clearance with his right foot and dispatched it neatly low to the goalkeeper's left.

As the half progressed, it was clear that Barkley was technically superior than those around him although he got bullied off the ball when faced with two Ipswich players. His first-time passing was neat and his positional play disciplined. He effectively closed the opposition down without diving in to tackle and made a couple of surging runs through the middle finding a team mate with the final pass.

Either side of the break, he produced two sublime pieces of skill allowing the ball to run through his legs then flick it past the oncoming defender. The execution of his second goal was clinical, taking a high bouncing ball with his right foot and drilling it low with his left into the keeper's right hand corner.

He is ready for the Premier League now but is clearly benefitting from match time. Final satisfaction for me came while exiting the ground and discussing Ipswich's plight with a Town fan that all blame could be placed at that Koppite Jewell's door.
Simon Wright
49 Posted 28/10/2012 at 17:59:31
I would like to thank Everton for the loan of Ross Barkley, and wish the best to Everton this afternoon against Liverpool. Up the Toffees and Owls!
Sam Hoare
50 Posted 28/10/2012 at 18:20:22
I think sending him to wed is the right move. Playing week in week out in a team that look to him as a playmaker will really help him develop so much more than sitting on the bench for us and getting a few ten minute run outs here and there. I would only really bring him back if we thought he would be pushing for a starting place, which he may be I January if he continues to do well.
Steavey Buckley
51 Posted 29/10/2012 at 12:06:48
With a midfield of Osman and Neville, that gives any premier team hope in beating Everton, once Mirallas went off yesterday injured, where was Barkley when Everton needed him, when quality on the field was depleted through injury and the suspension of Pienaar? Scoring 2 goals for the Owls.
Brent Stephens
52 Posted 29/10/2012 at 12:16:11
Steavey "With a midfield of Osman and Neville, that gives any premier team hope in beating Everton, once Mirallas went off yesterday injured, where was Barkley when Everton needed him".

Steavey, I think you saw a different game to most TWebbers - Osman was MOTM yesterday and Neville put in a good shift.

Steavey Buckley
53 Posted 29/10/2012 at 15:14:34
Brent Stephens - it was 4 games ago against Southampton since Everton recorded their last win. Points were dropped against Newcastle previously and Everton capitulated against WBA. In those games, the midfield were overrun when Everton had control of those games.
Paul Joy
54 Posted 29/10/2012 at 15:40:44
Steavey - I saw 1st hand both of the games you refer to - firstly West Brom at no stage did we have control of that game from 1st minute to last they controlled the game.
Secondly Newcastle - our midfield were not overrun - remember we scored 4 that game but only 2 were given.

Ross Barkley is off improving his game that will eventually help him and Everton realise his potential - take a look at Wednesday's results and performances with him in the team.

Ben Jones
55 Posted 29/10/2012 at 16:03:26
I still don't get peoples concerns with this. The only position at the moment he could challenge for is that Cahill role. The way Moyes sets up his two centre mids is to sit in front of the back four and be positionally defensive. Barkley is only 18 and not yet ready for that responsibility. We would be overrun in midfield.

So, that cahill role, would he get ahead of Fellaini at the moment? No. Naismith, pienaar, osman or mirallas? No.

So he would be warming the bench. Is that productive for a young player needing to play football? Of course it isn't, so loan him out! It's not rocket science!


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