Gibson out for another month

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Midfielder suffers recurring thigh strain injury
Darron Gibson will be out of action for at least a month after suffering further problems with a thigh injury that has already kept him out of the Everton team for two months so far this season. David Moyes said: "I think he's going to be out for about four weeks."

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Kevin Day
1 Posted 31/12/2012 at 15:06:34
Why don't they get the op done now to remove the bone growth and be done with it?
Sam Hoare
2 Posted 31/12/2012 at 15:17:26
Bad, bad news. We've looked much more solid since he returned. They need to fix whatever re-occuring problem this is. Wonder what may have been if Gibson and Mirallas had both been injury free for the last 5 months
Andy Crooks
3 Posted 31/12/2012 at 15:16:52
Sadly, Darron seems to be an injury prone player, which is presumably why such a fine player cost so little. Unfortunatley finances dictate that Moyes must take chances like this. Does anyone know what Mirallas's injury record was like before he joined?
Colin Potter
4 Posted 31/12/2012 at 15:10:31
That's why Moyes got him so cheap. He's a sick note. Ferguson does not let good players go on the cheap. He did it with Saha and Moyes fell for it again. We will be lucky to get half a season out of him.

I think he's a damn good player but he will have to be replaced as soon as we possibly can.
Ian Bennett
5 Posted 31/12/2012 at 15:22:45
I am pretty certain that the injuries have come from him taking set pieces. Seems an obvious move to take him off set pieces.
Dave Lynch
6 Posted 31/12/2012 at 15:25:45
Kev.

It depends where the growth is mate, if it's on the bone surrounded by the muscle then they cannot operate as it would mean losing some of it to get to the spur.

I got this info from a doctor in work by the way, so don't shoot me if it's wrong.
Steve Cotton
7 Posted 31/12/2012 at 15:25:25
Why the fuck was he allowed to take a piledriver free kick from 35 yards with this dodgy thigh injury??!?

It happened last time he tried that and it went again. Are people at the club stupid???
Edward Simpson
8 Posted 31/12/2012 at 15:47:08
What a shame, he's been fantastic for us when he's played.
I do think now is the time to get Ofoe, as Moyes clearly rates him, on loan and slot him in where Gibson would play.
Shane Corcoran
9 Posted 31/12/2012 at 16:00:27
This must increase the likelihood of a loan move for what's his name from Brugges.
Jamie Barlow
10 Posted 31/12/2012 at 16:07:56
Colin, Moyes didn't fall for anything. He got a decent player for half a million pounds. He knew he was injury-prone but it's still a great deal even if he only gets half a season out of him.

Andy@194, Mirallas played in 25 League games out of 30 last season and in 27 the season before.

James Morgan
11 Posted 31/12/2012 at 16:18:40
Defo need a centre mid now. Outside of an injury prone Gibson, we have Fellaini, Osman, an ok but nowt special Hitzlsperger and an unproven Ross Barkley. It's not even close to being enough. Diame from West Ham for a reported 3m would be a good buy but I think he is out with an injury too so that would defeat the object.
Going off Vincent Kompanys glowing recommendation, Ofoe could be a good shout.
Phil Sammon
13 Posted 31/12/2012 at 17:05:36
I just hope Fellaini doesn't have to drop in to cover. Hitzlsperger will do ok when he's fully fit.

Love how Moyes is a mug according to certain Toffeewebbers. I'm afraid Gibbo's injury, and Mirralles', were caused by them being rushed back in the side. Moyes' hand is sadly forced with the thin squad we have. Gibbo is no 'sick note'. He has an injury that he's been forced to aggravate.

Paul Ferry
14 Posted 31/12/2012 at 16:39:04
A big loss but it's becoming clear now that DG cannot be counted on as an indispensable member of the team because he will be out for lengthy stretches: he has already missed 10 games this season, 10.

DG's thin number of appearances for Man Utd was not just down to the fact that he was vying for places in a very good team. He had a horrid streak of injuries that kept him from ever being near the top of the pecking order. Now, I may be naive, but SAF (Happy Birthday Sir, 71 years young today) and our gaffer are pretty good mates and I don't think that the eternal teenager would offload crap on his apparently self-selected heir apparent.

DG is a very good player but, with so many injuries under his belt already while still young, he (1) cannot be counted on to have a single stretch of say 15-20 games at one time; and (2) he cannot be counted on to give us good years ahead. (Odds on DG hanging up his boots before 30?)

Now, no single player can guarantee even one more game (there are too many sewer-rats around to destroy bright careers with one evil rodent lunge), but DG is injury-prone and that has been the major character (flaw) of his career up to now. In other words and in a nutshell, it will always be nice to have him around and in the starting 11, but ...

Yet another reminder (if ever we needed one) of how thin our squad is and our 'cash-strappedness' (Ouch!) just rubs salt into a deep gaping canyon wound. If life was roses each second then, in tomorrow's window we: (1) would get a very good goalie to not just cover but replace flapping flailing TH; (2) a Gibbo-like but fitter centre-mid; and (3) a striker, for the love of Christ, a striker

DG was in my opinion at any rate a smart astute buy. But the last twelve months have revealed that he is as likely to be absent as present but £500k for the quality of the presences has already been paid back and more.

John Malone
15 Posted 31/12/2012 at 17:14:02
I'd leave bic vic in and put Fellaini back in the middle or the Newcastle game, Big Vic tends to do better away from home.
Joe McMahon
16 Posted 31/12/2012 at 17:29:44
He will be missed, but it's a real pisser, we sign so few players and so many are injury prone. SAF would have defo kept him (like Saha) if ever fit.
Our small squad will just not be enough for 4th spot. Kenwright must act in early January or I fear (like many) next season we will have less quality in the squad and no Moyes.
Tony Dove
17 Posted 31/12/2012 at 17:51:39
I hope Gibson is not going to be another Whiteside
Wayne Smyth
18 Posted 31/12/2012 at 17:50:44
Jamie, he may only cost £500,000, but we probably have to pay at least £2m in wages every season.

People say he's great, but he's just an average defensive centre mid who can tackle, pass or head the ball. The reason people think he's great is because he's not lightweight like pienaar or osman, and he's can tackle, and pass slightly better than cahill could. He also is a midfielder unlike neville or heitinga.

All in all, I think any decent centre mid would be able to make the team tick like gibson.....its just that over the years we've been used to sub-standard centre mids by premiership standard.

The upshot is that we shouldn't get carried away that we can't replace him easily or relatively cheaply because I think we can.

Jamie Barlow
19 Posted 31/12/2012 at 17:58:27
I'll stand by my "great signing" comment.
He has been good for us.
I don't know why, I don't know what he does, but when he plays, we play better.

I don't know about being able to replace him "cheaply".

Ian Bennett
20 Posted 31/12/2012 at 18:05:09
Who Wayne?
Ciarán McGlone
21 Posted 31/12/2012 at 18:22:48
Spot on, Wayne... Gibson's great compared to the alternative of Neville. However, he's not irreplaceable in the slightest.
Liam Wilson
22 Posted 31/12/2012 at 18:24:03
Gibo plays a similar role to Lee Carsley, except Carsley was less injury prone.

And of course both were/are unsung heroes to an extent.

We always did well when Carsley was played in the defensive midfield position.

Si Cooper
23 Posted 31/12/2012 at 18:38:26
Gibson's range of passing is much better than either Carsley's or Cahill's and he is not really similar in what he brings to the team to either of those players.

It is possible the spur on the bone has been gradually getting worse over a couple of years and that surgery may not have been the first choice up until it got to a certain point (invasive surgery carrying risks of it's own). Maybe now it is the only real option, but they will still prefer to hang on until the summer if they can. If the operation goes well then this may resolve the problem for good, unless he has other problems we are not aware of.

Don't think he is in the same category as Whiteside considering how debiltating knee injuries can be and how much surgical techniques have improved in the last 25 years.

Ged Simpson
24 Posted 31/12/2012 at 19:03:52
We would be mid table without him despite his injuries.

Has been a great signing

Harold Matthews
25 Posted 31/12/2012 at 20:53:15
What is happening with Gueye? Against Leeds, after a long absence, he was awful.

Two or three games later, he he was brought on to help shore up the midfield and never put a foot wrong. I could hardly believe my eyes. His interplay with Fellaini was mighty impressive. Anyone remember the match?

He's also a toughie. Hard as nails. Get him off the wing and into midfield. He could well be a hidden gem.
Franny Porter
26 Posted 31/12/2012 at 21:23:05
Said he was an unreliable crock last week only to be shot down by some "in the know". So important for us too, just can't and shouldn't be relied on.
Chris Sharples
27 Posted 31/12/2012 at 21:02:02
We must get him right before he comes back. When he was at Man Utd, he just seemed to fill in on odd occasions, often pushed out on the left, and seemed a little overweight... just a descent shot.

But, since arriving, the transformation has been amazing, he has lost weight and simply controls the centre of park. Nobody gives us that balance the way he does. The boy plays on the half-turn. spots & delivers the ball so quickly; he's simply a joy to watch.

Phil Sammon
28 Posted 31/12/2012 at 21:29:20
Franny

You were shot down because you were talking guff.

If you've got a pulled muscle and you come back before you're 100% then the chances are you're going to aggravate it.

He's had a couple of injuries, fair enough.

I'm not having that he's a sick note though. You look at Vaughany or Saha. One week it was a shoulder. They get fit and then do a hammy. Then the next week it's a calf. These players are injury prone. Gibson is not in that category (yet).

Dick Fearon
29 Posted 01/01/2013 at 00:10:05
I had heard of only one footballer, professional or amateur, who got injured simply by kicking a ball and that was Andy van der Meyde.

Basil Rathbone released that pearl of information about the drunk's latest injury and my reaction was "What the fuck?"

The same excuse is made for Gibson and my reaction is exactly the same.
David Barks
30 Posted 01/01/2013 at 00:35:32
Dick and Franny,

It wasn't from kicking the ball FFS, get your shit together. On November 30th it was revealed what the problem was and they expected it could reoccur:

"Moyes has revealed that the thigh problem which sidelined Gibson, 25, has the potential to reoccur due to a bone fragment in his tendon".

"'He's going to have an ongoing problem because he's got a bit of a growth into a tendon in his thigh, where there's a bit of bone growing. All we can hope is that it doesn't reoccur,' revealed Moyes."

It's an issue that needs to be addressed with surgery but they were hoping to get him through the season. Maybe this month off will work, maybe not. Not sure how in the world him having a bone growth in a tendon that he keeps trying to play through makes him anything like Van der Meyde.

Gavin Ramejkis
31 Posted 01/01/2013 at 01:33:15
Gibson was a calculated risk, many many times before Everton have paid similar amounts for youth players who never made it as far as the bench, Gibson has not only made it past the bench but onto the pitch and made some difference in what little game time he has played. You simply aren't going to get a diamond for scrap money and more often than not similar figures for kids has gotten even less return

The next calculated risk is to play him when he gets better or put him under the knife, the first could earn us points but cause longer term problems, the latter could lose us points in his absence but gain a healthier player..

Dick Fearon
32 Posted 01/01/2013 at 01:26:36
David @ 291, There may be other reasons for Gibson's problem and they may well be aggravated by kicking a ball yet I reiterate that upon hearing of a highly paid footballer, injured through kicking a ball is it not surprising that upon hearing the news my reaction was "What the Fuck?"

When I composed my post on the subject, I was not privy as you were to an in depth diagnosis of Gibson's medical condition. As for getting my shit together, that was an uncalled for remark. If posters waited until all the official facts were known this and every other site would end up being totally reliant upon the OS.
David Barks
33 Posted 01/01/2013 at 01:50:20
Dick,

That was explained a month ago. I think a month is enough time for you to get the facts together instead of making a stupid comparison to Van der Meyde.

David Price
34 Posted 01/01/2013 at 02:47:18
Gibson just seems to makes us tick, excellent player, hope it gets sorted, the lad is fist class.
Some average comments about him on this thread, do they actually watch us play when Gibson is in the side?
James Stewart
35 Posted 01/01/2013 at 03:15:11
A big loss as we don't have anyone who can do the same job he does. Neville, Heitinga etc are all a big step down.
Pete Clarke
36 Posted 01/01/2013 at 03:17:44
The last thing we need is to play play him injured and ruin him as we did with Paul Bracewell. His injury may be complex but better to sort it out now and if it does not work then for the lads own health he will know it is time to stop.

Strange how we played against Chelsea without him and yet against Wigan we seemed to slip back into the old ways once we went 2 - 0 up and sat back, gave up too much possession and starting hitting long balls. Just shows really that with the right attitude we can deliver the football and it is only Jelavic being out of touch and out of luck that we are not sitting 4th.
Peter Barry
37 Posted 01/01/2013 at 07:01:21
Gibson – perpetual sicknote,
Mirallas – perpetual sicknote,
Saha – perpetual sicknote,
Fellaini – persistent Card gatherer.

All much trumpeted Moyes Transfer captures... you go figure.
Ian Bennett
38 Posted 01/01/2013 at 08:16:12
Peter Barry - Perpetual Victor Meldrew character.

How much did they cost Peter, and how much are they worth now in value or cost of replacement?

Dick Fearon
39 Posted 01/01/2013 at 10:14:01
David B @ 302. I was unaware that Gibson had a medical condition that inhibited him from kicking a ball. Is this something we were ignorant of when signing him? How about Per Krøldrup's aversion to heading?

What kind of background check failed to pick up on AdvM's well known fondness for the bottle? More recently we had the saga of Royston Drenthe. At their previous clubs it has become known that each of them had problems that seriously affected their ability to play football. This begs the question of who is responsible for checking on the history of potential signings.

I gather from your analysis of Gibson's problem that it was a pre-existing ailment that require lengthy treatment and recuperation. In fact I would be very surprised if we see him again before season end. Most of all I pray that we do not have another AvdM in the making.
Derek Thomas
40 Posted 01/01/2013 at 11:24:02
Harold Matthews #266 having watched Gueye a few times I too have noticed his liking / tendancy to come into the middle. I think that is his best position. Doubt he will get a run there though.
Matt Traynor
41 Posted 01/01/2013 at 11:22:17
Dick #332, whilst every manager drops a clanger with signings - and I mean every manager, Moyes' mis-steps are magnified due to us not having significant resources to waste.

Krøoldrup did not have an aversion to heading the ball. Anyone who saw him play for Fiorentina after we sold him (at a loss) will have seen a competent ball-playing CB who was quite comfortable heading the ball. His biggest problem was he wasn't fully fit when we signed him, and by the time he was we were out of both European competitions and needed to cut costs. I'd love to know where that myth emerged from, but my guessing it would lead back to some source at the club.

Van der Meyde and Drenthe were different, both had proven ability but also well documented "off the field" problems. Moyes is known to be pretty meticulous about his scouting, and either he or his deputies messed up and either didn't get to the bottom of the problems or they thought they could turn them around.

Much of our "signing strategy" is based on our budget. Moyes's cautious and calculated approach (or as some call it "dithering") is also based on our budget.

But at least now we're no longer depending on our club sponsors to sign players for us, so be grateful for small mercies.

Phil Bickerstaff
42 Posted 01/01/2013 at 11:54:47
Give Vellios a go and drop Anichebe, he gives the ball away too often. Vellios was good against Chelsea when he got his chance.

Come on you blue boys!
Phil Sammon
43 Posted 01/01/2013 at 11:49:38
Peter Barry

You must be tying a noose every day with that outlook.

As for Drenthe... Moyes did do his homework on him. We knew he was an exceptional talent and a loose cannon.

Moyes gave him a chance. When he started acting up he got rid.

Van der Meyde was different. According to his book his problems only started in Liverpool. He'd never touched the stuff till we signed him. I'm sure Moyes would have got rid straight away but how, without making huge losses? Instead he persisted to try get the best from the player in between disciplining him for various misdemeanours.

How anyone can criticise Moyes's signings is beyond me. Sure, they've not been perfect but compared to every other manager in the league, his transfer dealings have been fantastic.

Peter Cummings
44 Posted 01/01/2013 at 12:11:39
If the injury problem can't be fixed with surgery, as some suggest, Gibson will just be a liability. A 'bargain' he may have been but, if he can't perform on the pitch, he will just be a financial burden we can't afford.

Although Fellaini is back, as Peter Barry suggests, I agree that, until he curbs his tantrums and retaliations, his cards will mount up and the next straight red will see us without his services for at least six games.

On another subject of sicknote buys, we can count our stars in getting a fortune for Rodwell who seems to have vanished into the Manchester mists since he left...
Phil Roberts
46 Posted 01/01/2013 at 12:42:39
Hopefully Mr Holtby Snr is on here.

Can you tell your lad - this is not about money, if it about chasing a dream (hopefully his as well as yours).

Forget Spurs, forget Arsenal and you can forget Merseyside "B" (especially if you ever want me to talk to you ever again), but son, call Moyes and get yourself over there and make me the proudest dad in Germany.

Jamie Barlow
47 Posted 01/01/2013 at 12:44:11
I don't think Mirillas is a sick note. He's just struggled in the pace of the Premier league.

He missed 8 games in two seasons for Olympiacos. Thats 8 out of 60 league games. Plus he played cup games.

I'm not sure about Gibson. We should forget about him until he is fully fit. Not rush him back.

One thing I am sure about. Peter Barry is one miserable get.

Matt Traynor
48 Posted 01/01/2013 at 12:58:31
Phil #349, you never know fella! I remember a couple of years back and we signed the young lad George Green, and a thread developed on the news item. A few miseries commented along the lines of "what's the point?" etc. expecting a lad of fifteen to be the next Rooney, or not worth bothering about.

Anyway one of the lad's parents signed in to give a bit more background to him, and the back-pedalling would've given Wiggo a run for his money at the Olympics.

Ray Said
49 Posted 01/01/2013 at 13:01:53
A compounding factor is that Hitzlsperger was only signed on a short term deal and could be off. Although he is only an average player his loss would really leave us short in centre mid. Anyone one have any information on the length of deal he signed?
Kevin Hudson
50 Posted 01/01/2013 at 12:52:39
Peter Barry,

Given there's been little for you (and people of your ilk) to whine about this season, you decide to start the new year fabricating a moan about transfer policy instead.

The glaringly-obvious response is of course to raise you Baines, Jagielka, Arteta, Lescott, Cahill, Howard, Jelavic.

Also; Fellaini is having his best season in a Blue shirt.

All Moyes's signings.

Jim Knightley
51 Posted 01/01/2013 at 13:02:53
Peter Barry... seriously?

Gibson is one of the most under-rated midfielders in this league... he was likely sold, not because of ability, but because of his injury record. Maybe he will be a player we will have to nurse through seasons during his Everton career... or maybe he will get over his injury problems as many in the past have done (most notably RVP recently). But given the contribution he makes, and the money we spent, I'm extremely glad we brought him.

And Mirallas isn't a sicknote... he got a hamstring injury, we played him too soon, and it re-occurred. It happens to quick players... if you want a Lennon, Bale, Walcott, Robben etc... you take hamstring injuries. Mirallas will have a big say in our season yet.

Franny Porter
52 Posted 01/01/2013 at 13:07:35
David Barks, have you got anger issues? Chill out for fuck sake you nark.
Jim Knightley
53 Posted 01/01/2013 at 13:09:38
I thought it was until January Ray... but I doubt we would have an issue re-signing him. I also expect we will add a central midfielder this month anyway.

Kevin Day
54 Posted 01/01/2013 at 13:19:10
Dave Lynch.

What you say does make a lot of sense, but like the old saying goes, you cannot have an omelette without breaking eggs. I personally just think that if the op "can" be done then surely it would be best to write him off for the rest of the season while the problem gets sorted out once and for all, there's no real point in him coming back in 4 weeks time, play 3-5 games then the injury re-surfaces and is again out through the same injury. If its sorted out now we'll have him back fit and ready for a full season come August. But I'm certainly no doctor, it just seems to make sense to do it that way.

Brent Stephens
55 Posted 01/01/2013 at 13:47:38
Fuck off, Peter Barry.
Dean Adams
56 Posted 01/01/2013 at 13:57:51
Phil Roberts 349

Ahh, ours is but to dream of such luck and passion!!!

Joe McMahon
57 Posted 01/01/2013 at 15:05:45
Peter Barry, c'mon man - You can't blame Moyes for longterm injuries. We are all frustrated by the injuries, but lighten up a bit.
John Nelson
58 Posted 01/01/2013 at 15:06:28
Peter Barry

You should have added the following to your list:

Peter Barry - clearly knows nothing about football, has never been to a game in his life and has never stepped foot inside Goodison Park.

Fucking pathetic comments you made there I have to say.

About the actual article itself, whilst it is rather shite that Gibson will miss the next five games or so, the Chelsea performance should be something to hopefully inspire the team - four/five first teamers missing and we were very unlucky not to win by two or three against a top team on top form. Lady luck was not on our side, but as Frank Lampard said in his post match interview, you create your own luck. Hopefully the blues can take this on board and start turning the shots hitting posts / hopeful penalty claims in goals / stonewallers respectively.

Onwards and upwards blues - looking at the fixtures there should be no reason why we can't win every game in January.

Also don't know if anyone knows but what is the current situation with Mirallas? Before the Chelsea game I read he might have an outside chance of playing - am I right to assume he is not far off returning then?

Dean Adams
59 Posted 01/01/2013 at 15:28:06
"Lady luck was not on our side, but as Frank Lampard said in his post match interview, you create your own luck."

Yeah, its called cheating!! Making your own luck invariably means breaking conventional rules, in Chelsea's case the refs always turn games in their favour by giving them all the decisions for a ten-minute spell, not booking the dirty fouls and ignoring blatant free-kicks whilst giving them every opportunity to turn the game in their favour. It would be great to get new refs into the Premier League who only want to officiate correctly instead of showing the total bias toward the sky darlings, every week of every season.

Douglas Turner
60 Posted 01/01/2013 at 22:31:19
As much as I rate the Hammer (more each time I see him in CM) we need an Ofoe type of player who brings creativity to the midfield as well as stability! Shit! Playing Phil in Midfield is unacceptable! IMO, Holding position Central Midfielder must be our priority! The midfield have left the back 4 shaky for far too long now! Would also like to see Oviedo start on the Left of midfield (Osman back in CM next to Hammer) with Nuts further forward like in the last game! Let's set a few Barcodes off next game! COYB!
Douglas Turner
61 Posted 01/01/2013 at 22:34:55
Well said Dean! com #373!!! We'd be up there fighting for second now had the game's officials not pissed all over the Beautiful Game!!!
Si Cooper
62 Posted 01/01/2013 at 23:12:42
Someone once said "The harder I work, the luckier I get." which is obviously what Lampard was alluding to.

Howard Webb wasn't perfect but he wasn't bad either. Certainly not to the extent that he cost us the game - two lapses of concentration and a failure to take our chances is where the blame lies.

Lot of character shown in the game but I thought we eventually ran out of steam in midfield. Trying to work everything through short range passes against an athletic team is very hard work. Without Gibson pinging the ball around we lose one of the dimensions from our central midfield.

We will still prevail against some teams but it is going to be that much harder against the sides with quality throughout.

Derek Thomas
63 Posted 01/01/2013 at 23:36:15
Bite the bullet now, get him booked in to the surgeon asap. Then hopefully 6mths should see him sorted and if he isn't by then do a Mark Higgins and claim on the policy....there is a policy? ...Isn't there Bill? it must be somehere in the 23M operating costs...Bill?...Bill.


* tumbleweed rolling across web page waiting for reply

Ian Smitham
64 Posted 01/01/2013 at 23:57:33
Dean#373, step forward, there are loads of courses to get started and then. Well, who knows, the Sky darlings are your limit, go on, what is stopping you?
Ian Smitham
65 Posted 02/01/2013 at 00:04:48
#371 and #372, spot on, I can not understand what Mr Barry comes on here, never once have I read any contribution by him that is anything other than negative , whinging and taking cheap shots at Moyes.
Dean Adams
66 Posted 02/01/2013 at 00:21:53
Ian Smitham — well for starters, they have an upper age limit which I believe I past some years ago. But hey thanks for the idea!! I could start up an agency get a contract with the tossers at the FA and earn a fortune for screwing around the sides and clubs who don't have the money to buy the top players and the outright audacity to fuck over clubs like ours, oh yes I have real motivation ......
Andy Crooks
67 Posted 02/01/2013 at 00:24:44
Peter Barry is a passionate Evertonian and quite frankly I have in the past concurred with his views. He is wrong this time ,in my view, but if a true Evertonian can't give his views without being shouted down then then there is something badly wrong.Why can some Evertonians not accept an alternative view?
Dean Adams
68 Posted 02/01/2013 at 00:42:38
Andy- probabbly because they don't know that alternatives exist for us Evertonians. Maybe they are not old enough or lucky enough to have seen us being top dog!!
Ian Smitham
69 Posted 02/01/2013 at 01:08:22
Andy,

I read and comment on your contributions and you, no doubt, do the same; fair enough, fair play. You seem to have a bias towards Irish players; fair enough. I believe that Fellaini has the talent to be the world's most coveted player; some will disagree... some things are good and some bad.

Every single post from Mr Barry is negative, especially towards the dour Davy. I cannot see why he bothers; if he feels so negative, why not turn it off or come up with an alternative, positive option.

To end, I know and you know, it is about opinions, we agree/disagree about issues, and I feel we are all able to contribute... But back to my point: I just do not understand the moaning whiners who come on here with nothing ever to say that is good about the club that we all support.

Si Cooper
70 Posted 02/01/2013 at 02:26:45
Don't think not liking a lot of what goes on at board level or not rating the current manager or players excludes you from being a supporter of a particular football club, and therefore you should have the right to post your views on a website for supporters of that club.

It is a freedom of speech thing. I may not agree with what Peter Barry writes but I support his right to write it and post it. The rest of us are free to disagree and respond or to simply ignore anything we think is not worthy of commenting on.

Michael Kenrick
71 Posted 02/01/2013 at 04:46:58
The position expounded by Ian Smitham is an interesting one, and a cause for continued friction on here, where Evertonians with different perspectives and personalities come together to share contributions.

Many of us have been on here a while now: how is that some still fail to recognize — never mind accept — the diversity that exists within the Everton fanbase?

Ian comes from the subgroup that not only takes and gives a positive view on all things Everton, but demands positivity from all, and cannot accept any so-called 'negative' comments. Peter Barry comes from a different group that has high expectations, calls things as he sees them, and sees no need to sugar-coat his assessments.

The telling thing to me is that Ian requires Peter to conform to Ian's perspective but not vice versa. The positive people seem to do that. As someone who leans toward the other group (I would call it 'realist' rather than 'negative'), I find that really annoying. I mean why should Peter have to write things to please Ian's positive viewpoint? We don't tell you to stop posting what is (to us) your ridiculous positive stuff. So give a little, alright?

Ian Bennett
72 Posted 02/01/2013 at 07:30:46
I think calling it realist group is a bit much, after 25 years of mostly crapness we are all realists.

Yes, I actually get that Peter loves everton and is obviously more frustrated than the rest of us. However, a realist to me understands that injuries happen, that if you sign players not wanted by other clubs for next to nothing then they usually have something wrong with them. That like formula 1, the big teams usually win in the end as they have the money to buy fitter, more skilful and stronger players.

We all love everton, it's a buzz when they win, gutting when they lose, destroying when crap happens, with only a modest flicker of hope when a positive lands. I'd hope we all get that buzz, if not what's the point?

Sam Hoare
73 Posted 02/01/2013 at 08:01:39
MK you can't come on to give a lecture in the pitfalls of being self-righteous and then declare that you're own position is that of the realist! So all us others are just deluded then!

Of course people are entitled to negative or positive views of the situation but to gain credibility those leanings should ideally be accompanied by some sort of balance and adherence to the facts of the matter. Peter Barry in my experience shows little of either of these and prefers to be provocative, which of course he is entitled to do but then so are the people who point out that they think he is speaking rubbish.

Peter Barry
75 Posted 02/01/2013 at 09:08:54
I suspect that the reason that people are getting so riled up by my post is that deep in their heart of hearts they know that what I said was the absolute unvarnished truth . But because they can't bring themselves to accept this truth they lash out at the messenger instead thinking that this will somehow make the truth go away.
Kevin Hudson
77 Posted 02/01/2013 at 15:49:00
Such hubris in defending a flawed position, Peter.

It is also an unvarnished truism that Moyes has also made several outstanding signings.

If you prefer to posit such a sceptical view instead, then that's your bag; but surely we can all agree that Baines, Jags, Arteta, Lescott & Felli (at the very least) all represent great business by the gaffer?

Brendan McLaughlin
78 Posted 02/01/2013 at 16:11:35
Ha ha...Peter #484
Nice try....even you aren't that arrogant and deluded.
Happy New Year

(It was a wind-up, wasn't it?)

Dean Adams
79 Posted 02/01/2013 at 16:29:12
Michael Kenrick 463

Sometimes, your comments make me smile. I have never really thought of you as a "realist" as you put it, but if that is your take on things then you are entitled to your opinion, just as much as any and all who dare to post on these boards. It is the best everton site out there, that of course is my opinion!!!

Ray Roche
80 Posted 02/01/2013 at 17:08:31
Peter Barry @484

No, Peter, people (like me) come on here, not because they get " so riled up by my post is that deep in their heart of hearts they know that what I said was the absolute unvarnished truth", No, they come on here astonished that anyone can be such a perpetually miserable get who will go to any lengths to find a stick with which to beat Moyes. I've literally got in 15 minutes ago from New Year in Somerset. There was a traffic jam near Wells. It's the fault of that twat Moyes, not telling my Tom Tom. MOYES OUT!
FFS, mate, get a grip.

Ian Smitham
81 Posted 02/01/2013 at 19:21:12
Mr MK, your comments are noted. I trust that you would not think I am against the diversity of opinion on here, that I would have thought is the whole purpose of the site. Nothing better than a constructive debate about a subject many will have a range of views about.

I would like to think my contributions are positive, yet also realistic. I am sure everyone on here could tell us all about their problems in life, we all have them and I come on here seeking views of all and sundry. If others are not so positive, then, hey Ho, that is up to them and certainly not my position to change the views other than maybe by debate in a friendly respectful manner, which I would hope I do.

Perhaps my frustrations, and it looks like a few others share them, are with the same suspects who come on here with the same old tired whines.

Still, thanks for letting me say my piece and I hope no offence is taken to anyone.

Cheers, Ian

Anthony Lamb
82 Posted 02/01/2013 at 13:22:51
Well done Wayne Smyth (233) in curbing some of the hype/pessimism around the issue of Darren Gibson. I think he is spot on regarding Gibson who many people seem to want to elevate to "top class' status. By any reckoning, when he is actually playing, he is a decent enough average premiership player. There is very little else to his game to make him stand-out as anything more than that. Yet again I feel that the limited nature of Everton's squad, particularly in the role that Gibson is supposed to fill fuels the view that either he is an outstanding player or that his loss is a disaster, neither of which I feel is justified. In addition to which, sad though it may be, if he has a chronic physical problem (yet to be established) he has no right to be a professional footballer.

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