Martínez set for Everton post

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No confirmation yet from Everton
Roberto Martínez is on the verge of becoming Everton's next manager after Wigan Athletic Chairman, Dave Whelan, confirmed an agreement between the two clubs over compensation payment for the Spaniard's services.

The final details on his contract are expected to be concluded shortly but Everton were not ready to announce his appointment this evening and offered instead a thinkly-veiled rebuke to Whelan via a statement on evertonfc.com saying that discussions are continuing:

In response to regrettable and somewhat premature reports earlier this evening, Everton Football Club are continuing discussions with regards to the vacant managerial position.

Whilst positive moves are being made, the Club will officially announce details as and only when they are agreed and completed.

Speculation arising from information from sources close to Goodison intensified late yesterday that the Blues would announce Martínez's appointment as David Moyes's successor today and it looks as though Bill Kenwright has made his choice.

Though the Everton Chairman interviewed a number of internal and external candidates, Martínez has been a hot favourite with odds-makers ever since Moyes announced his intention to leave Goodison after 11 years as the Blues' manager.

Though he led Wigan to FA Cup glory over Manchester City last month, masterminding the destruction of Everton at the quarter-final stage along the way, he was unable to prevent the Latics from slipping out of the Premier League after eight seasons in the top flight.

 

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Ray Said
1 Posted 03/06/2013 at 19:51:47
Underwhelmed but good luck Martinez. Give the fella full support to the coming season
Sam Hoare
2 Posted 03/06/2013 at 19:52:54
And so it begins.
Colin Glassar
3 Posted 03/06/2013 at 19:51:46
Ay caramba. Bienvenidos Roberto Martinez. Roughly translated as, holy shit. Get in there robbie lar.
Gavin Ramejkis
4 Posted 03/06/2013 at 19:52:41
Knowing Kenshite he's offered to pay £3m, can't say I'm impressed
Jackie Barry
6 Posted 03/06/2013 at 19:53:20
I wasn't wanting Martinez but if this is the case can we all agree to at least give him a chance and get behind him?

Ross Edwards
7 Posted 03/06/2013 at 19:53:02
Hmmmm, just focus on the attacking side Roberto and you'll be fine. Bring in McCarthy, McManaman and Kone, Ramis as well if you like.
JUST DON'T BUY EMMERSON BOYCE!
Ross Edwards
8 Posted 03/06/2013 at 19:55:48
Good luck Roberto, we'll be right behind you mi hombre!
Gary Reeves
9 Posted 03/06/2013 at 19:53:26
C'mon,he's the best candidate. I for one think this is great news,if it's true. . Not to say that it'll be plain sailing but I'll take my chances with him before a foreign coach who's unfamiliar with the Prem. WELCOME ROBERTO
John House
10 Posted 03/06/2013 at 19:55:55
Hmmmm. Ferrari or Bus Wanker. I guess we'll know by Christmas!
Ste Traverse
12 Posted 03/06/2013 at 19:55:49
Not keen on a bloke who has just took Wigan down.

Only good thing I can say is at least it's not the dreaded 'internal appointment'.

Colin Glassar
13 Posted 03/06/2013 at 19:55:31
I wonder how much BK's promising for the transfer kitty. With the new sky money it should be £20m minimum plus the Heitinga money. It should be an interesting summer but tbh the only Wigan players I'd like to see are the two macca's and maybe Maloney. I don't rate Kone and think we could do better. Negredo is now a distinct possibility.
Danny James
14 Posted 03/06/2013 at 19:56:15
Welcome Roberto. Glad to have you on board
Phil Sammon
15 Posted 03/06/2013 at 19:56:23
Agreed Jackie. I'm fully behind the man and hope everyone can unite on that and give him a good crack at the job.

Just one slight negative before I fully embrace the Martinez reign....

HE CAN'T FUCKING DEFEND!!!!!

Gary Carter
16 Posted 03/06/2013 at 19:58:14
Oh dear god no !!!!
Robert Collins
17 Posted 03/06/2013 at 19:56:22
BOMBS AWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!

Want him or not he's ours and he loves a good scrap as Siteh found out, so boys and girls give him a chance and get behind him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

COYB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Antony Matthews
19 Posted 03/06/2013 at 19:58:50
Phil , the best form of defence is to attack :)
Phil Sammon
20 Posted 03/06/2013 at 19:59:58
As an aside - why the hell is the Wigan chairman breaking our news? The man just cannot get enough of the camera.
Gerry Quinn
21 Posted 03/06/2013 at 19:56:35
I like the guy - pleasant, preaches and practices good attacking football. Hopefully, the 3rd best defence in the league will not be a stumbling block for him - maybe take on Stubbsy as number 2, oh, and not forgetting BIG DUNC as his spokesman/go-between for the oncoming ToffeeWebber onslaught :)
Joe McMahon
22 Posted 03/06/2013 at 19:57:43
Could have been a lot worse,
It's unfair to keep talking about the relegation, he had a team that cost more or less nothing. With better players lets see what he can do. Moyes had 11 years to finish in the top half, so lets get behind him please - In Roberto We Trust!
Donald Twain
23 Posted 03/06/2013 at 19:59:14
Whelan can't help himself, the old tit
Gavin Ramejkis
24 Posted 03/06/2013 at 19:53:22
Please god Rubber Toe don't bring Alcaraz in on a free, now McManaman and Maloney yeah
John Brennan
25 Posted 03/06/2013 at 19:58:32
Come on, guys, if this is it, lets give him everything !!!
At last, its all over. EFC forever, COYB, Come on Roberto, get this club flying, and lets hit the heights once again.
Oh its a grand old team to support, And if you know your history,
Come on Roberto, havent you been practising for the last couple of weeks ??!!
Colin Glassar
26 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:00:28
£1m compensation. 3 year deal at £2m per year. You read it here first.
Nicholas Page
27 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:00:47
Get behind the fella and support the bloody team. This is Everton.
Steve Ferns
28 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:00:06
Not my first choice, or second or third ...

No doubt all blues will get behind him, as we do for everyone who pulls on the Royal Blue or stands in the dug out. Despite the dark days of Walter Smith there was never any real movement to get rid of him. So I know he'll be given time.

Gavin Ramejkis
29 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:01:33
I'd like McCarthy Ross but have a feeling he'll end up at the Spuds
Gavin Ramejkis
30 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:03:27
We can keep MOB!!!!!
Jon Ferguson
31 Posted 03/06/2013 at 19:56:35
I've got to say I'm nervous. The man did relegate a team, but he has had next to no budget and got a team of nobody's (no offence) playing Barca-esque football. He defo needs an Everton established defensive coach (Weir or Stubbs) but he is now in charge of half the England first choice defence instead of Emerson Boyce.

I hate to say it but we need the Fellaini money. £24 mil plus the TV money will give him a chance to put his stamp on the squad. Hopefully his first signing will be McManaman. We also need a striker, a centre mid and centre back (but that's just dream world)

Nervous but excited. I think it could work!

Plus he turned down Liverpool!

Tom Evans
32 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:00:38
No surprise really. Now an appointment looks imminent let's at least give the guy a chance.

DM was always going to be a hard act to follow whoever was going to get the job. I think we are in for a bumpy ride for a couple of seasons so hold tight!

Mark Tanton
33 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:03:42
I am glad to have him. So come on ToffeeWebbers - let's nail our colours to the mast, time to divide ourselves into two new camps, full of hatred and bile.

In Martinez we trust!

Who's with the other lot?!

Anto Meehan
34 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:04:31
Good luck Roberto, looking forward to some exciting football and hammering the red-shyte. Get to it son!!
Lenny Kingman
35 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:02:43
This appoinment was a slam dunk from the outset. All the histrionics in between has just been a waste of time and cyber discussion. But fun. Welcome Roberto, the real work starts now. Do not let us down.
Colin Glassar
36 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:05:05
In Roberto We Trust = iRWT
Robert Collins
37 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:03:50
Hang on a minute, I can't find a confirmation of this on the net?
Paul Gladwell
38 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:04:11
Fuck me, some unknown manager from Preston, who nearly took them up got no stick and yet RM is getting pelted, the man did wonders to keep them in the top flight for so long given the finances and how he had to reduce wages by a fifth from when he took over, say he cannot defend but with that back four we have now they could manage themselves, get behind the man.
Kevin Tully
39 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:01:00
Well, at least the players will be looking forward to coming back and playing for someone who has a sterling reputation within the game.

The School of Science is at last coming back to Goodison Park.

Welcome to your spiritual home Rubberrrtoor.

Dean Adams
40 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:04:02
Once again bungaling Bill makes the wrong decision. He truely is the worst chairman, of the worst board this club has ever had. To pick the guy who got relegated over the guy who just won back to back titles says everything that we need to know.
Well, good luck Roberto. We are going to need it!!!
Ste Henderson
41 Posted 03/06/2013 at 19:59:49
I'm happy with this news and really like the guy; yes, there were more exciting names out there but I think Everton and Roberto suit each other. I think it's a big step up from Wigan and he will be relishing this opportunity to show what he is really about.

I do hope he can bring McManaman, I think he is the missing piece to a really good team. I'm really excited now — can wait for his press conference!!! It could've been a hell of a lot worse.

Paul Gladwell
42 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:08:07
Keep everyone if we can minus Heitinga and we can be confident, we just need two forwards.
Joe McMahon
43 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:07:53
Yes, lets shake off the cobwebs of the Moyes years. After years of negative managers, this is defo a positive change.
Ross Edwards
44 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:08:30
Roberto woah, Roberto woah, he came from Lancashire, to manage the Toffees! Roberto, woah, Roberto, woah!
Al Philby
45 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:10:41
Rob Martin, welcome to Everton. And thank you Bill, for picking the right man.
Ross Edwards
46 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:11:14
I see Dean has joined the MOB then...
Jamie Sweet
47 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:01:47
Very happy with this... To focus only on Wigans relegation is such a simplistic way to look at things. If you actually take into account his character, attitude, style and footballing philosophy, he ticks nearly all of the boxes.

I really hope we all rally behind him and give the guy a chance. I think we are in for a very exciting season.

Welcome Roberto and good luck!

Chris Cumisky
48 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:08:40
Is right. Cant believe the toffeeWeb moan brigade are saying" well he wouldnt be my first choice blah blah".. Lets get behind the lad for fucks sake. Sick to death like a lot of people of the constant negativity on here.
Welcome Roberto to our great club.
Robert Collins
49 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:09:17
Dean Adams @ 972,

Dean mate, there some really positive waves your sending out to Roberto, he can't fail with well wishers like you can he?

Mark Pierpoint
50 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:14:45
Good choice. I am sure he will be successful
Phil Chatterley
51 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:09:52
After an 11-year wait, it feels strange to be optimistic...
Michael Brooks
52 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:10:46
Big mistake!!!

No one at Wigan from the manager to any of the players is good enough for Everton.

Big Nev was completely right lack of ambition!!

I hope to god I am wrong but kiss goodbye to top half finish and prepare for relegation battles!!!

Roman Sidey
53 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:10:20
Gav, how good is it we won't have to change our group name - still MOB. Haha.

As has been said, if he's now our boss we'll give him support, although it is slightly anti-climatic.

Bring in McMananananananaman and see what this team can do when the shackles are off.

Gerry Quinn
54 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:14:37
Dean, there's a job vacancy open for you as Entertainments Officer on the Marie Celeste!
Joe Clitherow
56 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:08:22
Bad news for me but he'll get my support.

Ross 934 "just focus on the attacking side" is the worst possible advice in my opinion (not that he'll take it). He has to work doubly, triply, four times as hard on his defensive game because that's a real weak point which is where focus should go.

Attacking focus without a solid defence gets teams relegated without a shadow of a doubt

Paul Gladwell
57 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:16:16
Dean, did you want Lennon then as he won back to back titles.
Ken Williams
58 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:15:51
Well a manager that the majority of the polled supporters did not want to go with the badge that no one wants, well done Bill you certainly listen to the paying support.
Ross Edwards
59 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:17:00
Calm down Michael, lets get behind him first.
Gerry Quinn
60 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:17:04
We're doomed, Cap'n Jags, we're DOOMED I tell ya...
Michael Brooks
61 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:16:30
Get behind him, how many of you were behind Moyes?
Wayne McNee
62 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:14:35
This is your shot, Roberto!

I've no problems with this appointment. Bring your style, flair & utilise our current defence plus some additions & you could prove the naysayers wrong!?

ps: Bring Kone, McManaman & McCarthy. DM is doing us over so follow the example.

Rob Pursglove
63 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:16:46
Could have been better but it could have been a hell of a lot worse!
Dean Adams
64 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:15:08
Robert Collins 982

You have your opinion. I will have mine. If you don't like it, tough shit. I don't care what you think. I just don't believe that this is the best we could do, even though I was a fan of his at Swanea and watched them regularly. I am just underwhelmed, we are bigger than Roberto, in my opinion. At least I wished him luck!! We will need it.

Ross Edwards
65 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:19:03
Well Joe, the defence is sorted out, Bainesy, Jags, Distin cannot become crap overnight, offensively is where we are lacking. If he can bring in Kone and Mcmanamanamanaman, we could be heading the right way.

Michael, at least it isn't Weir.

Stephen Coles
66 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:17:41
Great he's gonna bring half he wigan team
Brendan McLaughlin
69 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:18:40
All the very best Roberto. Not sure how it will go but it'll certainly be different...
Drew Shortis
70 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:08:20
Still not signed a deal, but I guess we now know what the hold-up was. Whelan and Kenwright haggling over compo, that must have been fun!

I'm chuffed Roberto is going to be our new boss, and I have none of the apprehension over his ability to defend. He is coming to an established top six club with a huge history, passionate fan base, excellent squad (including a solid defence), great coaches and a top training and youth facilities. He is also joining us at a time when the TV money means he might have a few quid to spend. If one of our top stars does go he will have a decent kitty to play with as the money won't go on servicing the debt. I'm truly excited by this news. Though I felt all along he was the likely appointment, you just never know with Everton!

I'm glad to see that a majority of posters either support the appointment unreservedly or the ones with concerns say they will back him 100%. Thats what we need now. Whole hearted support and belief our club can do great things!

Sin miedo!

Adolf Ng
71 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:21:13
Not my favourite choice, but I will give my full support to you ~~ Bienvenidos Roberto ~~
Mark Eaton
72 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:16:30
Thought Pereira would be a better choice but Martinez seems like a good guy and has potential.

Let's give him a chance to see what he can do.

IMWT has new meaning! (Maybe that's what swayed it for Bill!!)

Mark Melton
73 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:21:14
This is the man who tactically outfoxed both Moyes and Mancini. Perhaps he has what Moyes seemed to lack, a talent for the big occasion. I wish him well and would like to welcome him aboard.
Michael Brooks
74 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:21:23
Your right Ross #998 the defence is good but aging and tell me hand on heart do you trust Martinez to replace them?
Kevin Hudson
75 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:20:36
Why the hell is Dave Whelan 'breaking,' this news..??

He should have kept his trap shut until we announced!

Dean Adams
76 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:21:13
Gerry Quinn 987
Are you the head of recruitment for that ill fated vessel, or are you making a comparison?
Kunal Desai
77 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:20:05
Not convinced by Martinez, but got to give him a chance and get behind him now. I'd imagine the main reason why BK has gone with Martinez is purely down to knowing the premier league and nothing else.
Shane Corcoran
78 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:21:04
Good old TW.

Ken Williams reckons he should have gone with our poll. We should have had Bill on Family Fortunes.

All the best to him. Hopefully it'll be sown up within five weeks of Moyes going so the laughable whinges on something else can begin.

Rob Brown
79 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:23:25
Back to perennial relegation battles.
Kevin Day
80 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:18:56
I cannot really say I'm excited with this appointment, although I would say this is better than Stubbs et all.

However, he will bring exciting football for us all, and if he brings McManaman with him then that would be great.

He gets my support, no question of that, but I do feel he will only bring us somewhere between 12th and 8th place finishes in the league, which will ultimately cost us league placings in terms of money, which our beloved club can ill-afford.

A trick has been missed here.

Stephen Doyle
81 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:20:22
Let's give the man some time to build his team now, and a bit less of the sniping on here when the inevitable odd rough patch ensues. I've got a feeling that he will get it right and we will progress in the mid/long-term.

Welcome Roberto!

(Mcmanaman 1st signing please, forgotten what a player who REALLY gets everyone off their seat is like!)

Anthony Flack
82 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:27:54
paja mental
Michael Brooks
83 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:23:41
I for one am not behind him one bit, he seems like a nice guy is not good enough for a top flight manager, Fergie never seemed like a nice guy!!!

Now if he is a success then I will put my hands up and say I was wrong but just playing attacking football is the right way to get a team in trouble — just look at… WIGAN!!!!!!

Mark Tanton
85 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:27:25
Dave Whelan is a silly old man, who should be tucked up under a tartan blanket and taken to the seaside. I bet Bill had an agreement when to break the news, and he's gone and told everyone early.
Brent Stephens
86 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:23:47
RoMa it is then. Can't say I'm excited. Some trepidation about this. But right behind the man.
James Stewart
87 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:25:51
If we bring in Mcmanaman I will be made up. Exactly the kind of player we need and he is heading for the very top. He has the pace of Walcott yet is actually good and can finish.

Our defence won't become Wigan's overnight so that is stupidity to suggest such. Certainly not the worst candidate out there so lets all get behind the new man. I for one am excited about the new season for once and that is a refreshing feeling

Robert Collins
90 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:26:46
Dean Adams @ 997

Dean, I too am a bit uneasy about the relegation, but we have defense that will see us through, forget relegation.

I'm absolutely sure he's learned lessons from Wigan, just let go mate and see what happens.

Mark Dunford
91 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:21:50
Roberto,

Welcome onto the bigger stage, you've earned the chance by playing an attractive game at unfashionable footballing outposts in Wigan and Swansea and it would be fantastic to graft this style on to the solidity which Moyes based his teams on.

Bill Gall
92 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:28:02
Wait for BK to come out with the statement that, having listened to over 60% of our supporters being in favour, we have hired Roberto to move the club forward. The board will back him with all the resources we have available.
David Hallwood
93 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:29:01
Let's all get behind the man, but let's hope that he remembers that football is like hotels-clean sheets are everything, you can be as free flowing as you like but it will stand for nothing if you're leaking goals at the other end.

Jeremy Benson
94 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:33:14
Fearful for the new season.
Terry Myers
95 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:29:59
We are well and truly fucked if it's been confirmed he's taking over.

Championship, here we come. GUTTED!!

Steve Guy
96 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:20:05
2014-15 season: at home to Leeds, anyone? No, I don't mean Leeds get into EPL... Hope I'm wrong for all the obvious reasons. Weir and Stubbs should be given supporting roles coaching defence to try and make sure we don't have to score five to win a game.

This is a massive gamble based on the assumption that RM has been held back by lack of funds and injuries. How this is supposed to change at Everton, I have no idea... unless BK has suddenly found a cash mountain.

What does it say about the Club and its ambition? Aspirationally it says that at best we are hoping for the status quo, more likely BK is happy for EPL mid-table and a better crack at a cup. What will such a statement mean in terms of our ability to retain players and attract new ones of real calibre? Negredo? No chance. Keep Baines and Fellaini, I hope so... but I really doubt it now.

You may have gathered I am underwhelmed. Hope he proves me wrong, but this was a real opportunity missed in my opinion.

Dave Ashley
97 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:33:45
My son and I are made up that it will be Roberto. Looking forward to good things, COYB!
Mark Tanton
98 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:36:35
To those who are disappointed, who would you rather see? Who, realistically, is out there who is less of a risk and likely to come to Everton?
Peter Thistle
99 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:35:09
Win the first derby and we'll love him. Go for it Martinez.
Paul Thompson
100 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:28:41
So, any thoughts from the people who were 'certain' it would be an internal candidate? (err, Tony?).

We've all been playing fantasy manager over the past 10 days, but at the moment we don't know who, if any, the other potential candidates were. So, perhaps give it a rest on the 'Once again bungling Bill makes the wrong decision' until it becomes clearer.

Aside from a few diehard refuseniks, the TW consensus appears to be - may not work, but better than an internal and Martinez should be given a chance, I'm happy to run with that (and have expunged the word defence from my vocabulary).

Paul Andrews
102 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:38:16
Steve Guy,

Relegation next season?
What a complete load of bollocks that statement is.

Mark Dunford
104 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:33:52
Dean (997)

Everyone is entitled to an opinion. You're right on this. Mine is that it is a shameful stupidity which fails to welcome Martinez to such a key role without even a semblance of grace.

Kevin Tully
105 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:35:18
Be careful what you wish for - we could get twatted 6-1 in our first home game of the season. We could finish one place above the relegation zone. We may never win a game at 4 P.L. grounds for the next 11 years! We won't win anything for the next 11 years. We may see the same tired 4-5-1 for every game. Under21's may only get 5 minutes in case they fuck up.

We're all doooomed!!!!

Robert Collins
106 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:39:27
Doom Doom Doom !!!

What's up with these people, Roberto's here, the suns out and we're going win things again - marvelous!

Mark Tanton
107 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:41:46
Thin Spanish waiter, he's just our thin Spanish waiter... Thin Spanish waiter!
Tom Bowers
109 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:36:31
Sorry to hear all the naysayers. Can we just give the guy a chance — after all, we gave Moyes 11 chances that is to say eleven seasons.

We needed the change and, as Everton cannot afford the Mourinhos of this world, we have to settle for someone who has won just one trophy (one more than Moyes).

Okay, Wigan got relegated but they played football as good as any and some mediocre teams dodged the bullet.

I for one relish the new season with the new boss as Everton were becoming so predictable under Moyes. Would some of you have preferred Mark Hughes or Tony Pulis?

Lewis Morrison
110 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:37:26
Not the best but certainly not the worst!

Must get behind him now, hope Stubbs and Weir are made first team coaches to look after defence!!

A VAMOS BOBBY!

Robert Collins
111 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:43:41
He does a marvelous pealla though!!!
Dean Adams
112 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:40:06

Robert Collins 027

I will support our Manager, but I really do have reservations, based on his record in this league. He did a great job at Swansea in the lower leagues and set up a legacy that saw his team promoted to the Prem, even if it was Brenda getting the plaudits. I just can't believe we could not get a bigger name than RM. He must be held in such low esteem by the rest of Europe.

Drew Shortis
113 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:34:17
I wouldn't worry about RM bringing in half the Wigan team. Number one, only a few are of the right calibre (McCarthy and McManaman are both young and talented) and I doubt he will want to decimate the club he obviously has a great respect for. He no doubt has a long list of players he has scouted over the years but didn't have the resources to attract to a team like Wigan. I look forward to see what he can do to improve our already strong squad.

I also look forward to seeing if he can get Jelavic playing again. When I have seen him playing for us recently he spends way too much time out on the flanks when he should be in the box doing what he does best. We need those first touch finishes to start flying in again to convert some of those draws into wins!

Timothy Blanshard
114 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:40:29
Good Luck Roberto, build on what we have now and you'll keep most of us happy, I'd love to see two up front for a change and maybe you can give jelly some confidence back, here's wishing.
Simon Smith
115 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:28:43
Feels like one of those bad news stories that the Government release when there is a bigger good news one that takes all the headlines, ie, Chelski get a new man in charge, so Everton becomes a 2nd story.

Well, The King is Dead!! Long live The King!!!

Jamie Barlow
116 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:41:48
We've only agreed a compensation fee. Why shouldn't Whelan come out and say it?
Ken Williams
117 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:39:00
Steve C, I was stating that Bill said he would listen to the supporters, every poll, not just TW, had RM as third/fourth choice. Like every blue, I will give the new manager 100% backing. Because people do not agree with your point of view doesn't make them whingers, moaners or whatever.
Paul Ferry
118 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:33:10
Michael Brooks (985) No one at Wigan from the manager to any of the players is good enough for Everton.

Sorry mate but that's a bunch of crap. There are players in the Wigan team who would be first-rate acquisitions for us: any one of the 3 M's to kick things off.

And hey get off Dean Adams's back. He's not someone who criticizes for the sake of doing so or a doom and gloom merchant either. His support for Moyes softened a little over time but he is a thoughtful poster and this post you are all crying about says (1) I don't want Martinez; he was not my first choice and (2) but we have him as gaffer now so 'good luck' to him.

I also would have preferred the Oporto gaffer but wish Martinez 'good luck': does that make me a good candidate for the 'Entertainments Officer on the Marie Celeste!' or with Deano, the new leaders of MOB (how silly)

Robert Collins
119 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:44:47
Fuck, I'm glad none of these doom merchants gave the pep talk before the Brazil game last night!
Phil Martin
120 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:44:19
Are we about to employ a manager whos won more silverware than United's and RS managers combined?

Chris Regan
122 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:48:33
What's the odds Kenwright fucks this up somehow? That Muller transfer keeps popping back into my head.
Dean Adams
124 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:46:04
Mark Dunford 044

I just hope that your grace does not become dis-grace if it does not work out.

Fran Mitchell
125 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:36:08
Defense aint
Peter Jones
126 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:49:27
I've got no problem with this appointment and am truly excited for what moves we'll make in the transfer window! Welcome Roberto! Let's get to work.
Steve Jones
127 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:40:14
Well here's hoping he can play a bit more the advertised sin miedo and a bit less the 'sin cerebro' he did last season at Goodison.

More fervently hoping he's enough of a manager to keep Bainesy, Mirallas, Barkley etc if offers come in for them. If Fellis out we might have an inside track on McCarthy...though Whelan isn't going to sell cheap.

Could be worse but, as is our way under the current regime, it will be a while until I get past the happy place of where we might have been with just a little investment of backbone and, as Robby himself might say, cojones!.

Paul Ferry
128 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:47:20
Ha ha ha would you Adam and Eve it, it's begun already, the what you wish for wishy washy tripe.

Mark Tanton (38): 'To those who are disappointed, who would you rather see?'

Lewis Morrison
129 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:52:27
Anyone else heard about the man found dead on board John Henry's yacht?

Hope he wasn't the one who failed to sign Martinez 12 months ago!

Tony Sullivan
130 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:40:59
The negativity on here has reached ridiculous proportions, the man has not even started yet.

I am surprised Chelsea have appointed Mourihno when they had all these expert ToffeeWebbers to choose from!!

Mark Frere
132 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:55:03
Good luck Roberto, lets keep our defence as a flat back four and not 3 at the back, hope he's learned from his mistakes
Eric Holland
133 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:42:59
Better get my season ticket before they all go.

Christopher Kelly
134 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:56:54
All I have to say is: If David Moyes is good enough for Manchester United, Roberto Martinez is good enough for us.

A lot of great coaches need to fail before they succeed. Hopefully he'll be one of them.

Danny Kewley
136 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:42:16
There is no doubt that on our day we are one of the best attacking sides in the prem and will be even more so under the Spaniard in the works but lets hope a watchful eye will also be kept on the dour Davie defence record !
Steve Guy
137 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:52:07
Paul Andrews I'm entitled to express my view which is one of concern. I said a number of times I hope I am wrong, but this is a manager who has never been out the bottom third of the EPL. Thanks for your considered response and contribution to the discussion.
Robert Collins
138 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:48:28
Dean Adams @ 052

Dean, did you know Wenger got AC Nancy relegated from the French prem, he ended up in Japan before Arsenal gave him a chance, Bobby Robson also went down with Fulham, Klopp with Mainz.

The way I look at it is that Wigan suffered the misery of relegation, but we get a wiser manager and none of the misery.

As for the rest of Europe, if he starts to put some results together (and I think he will), we'll need to worry about one the bigger clubs coming in for him.

Our defense is solid enough for him to go up the other end and hand out a thumping or two.

Jim Hourigan
139 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:29:30
Lets be honest whoever we got would not have been top notch - we cant afford them and why would they move to a club still fighting to get in the top 4 with a chairman who has a reputation for not giving money to his manager.

As much as we all wanted someone to get the juices flowing it was never going to happen, nobody from Germany would move, Italian managers are more negative than DM, Portuguese and Scottish managers operate with only half a dozen difficult games a year, French football is weak and does anyone know if anyone in Holland or Belgium is worth considering.

That left us with Premier league or Championship managers and whoever was chosen was bound to leave many underwhelmed, but hell he's here and we support Everton not the manager or the chairman so lets judge him by results on the park not for what he might be or might have been.

Carl Sanderson
141 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:50:45
Well, he has my support, but I'm unimpressed. This is a poor appointment that typifies Kenwright's lack of imagination.

The Cup win does not mask the fact that his team went down with an appalling goal difference.

I keep on reading about the injuries affecting out his backline; well, if your defence is wiped out then alter your team shape (dogs of war style) to avoid conceding, instead of "sticking to your principles" and being relegated.

I would be delighted to be proven wrong but there are, I fear, dark days looming.

Ian Bennett
142 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:42:20
I'll support him, but I can't say I am impressed. If I have to eat humble pie, I look forward to it, but I can't help but think he's going to take us backwards - massively.

Barry Rathbone and MOB, god I hope you were right. Kenwright best make sure he's got this one right, as the fans will be turning on him if this goes pear shaped. The times are changing.

Paul Andrews
143 Posted 03/06/2013 at 21:00:55
Steve Guy,
I agree, you are entitled to express your view.
As I am entitled to say it is a load of bollocks.
Get your bet on us being relegated next season,I would imagine you would get massive odds against that.
Colin Glassar
144 Posted 03/06/2013 at 21:02:10
Heitinga and Naismith are certs to go. One thinks he's good enough for Barcelona, the other isn't even good enough for East Stirling.
Dean Adams
145 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:57:06
Paul 058

And I thought you didnt care! Thanks for the endorsment. I am glad that a voice of reason is still to be found on these pages.
I have lots of Swansea supporting friends who will be laughing their nuts off with this one, but at least its not Malky!

Tony Marsh
146 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:56:54
I'm made up we've got some one who will excite the fans for once. I have been talking to an ex Wigan player who was there under Roberto and he says he is the real deal, most under-rated football brain in the country.

lt's not the fault of Roberto Martinez that Wigan ran out of money. At least we can go to the old Sky 4 clubs and try to win at last. I'm on Everton to win away at least once, maybe twice at these places next season. Old Trafford and Anfield would be rather nice. Would love to work it to Moyes especially... Things can only get better from now on. Fantasy Football here we come.

Fran Mitchell
147 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:36:08
Defense ain't just about 4 defenders (who were rather leaky at the start of the season). It is about team organization. The role of the wingers/midfielders in supporting the defense. It ain't about being negative/positive, but organized. If you play high up the pitch and try to attack, do the midfielders have the pace/desire to get back and support?

Good footy ain't just nice triangles and possession with no end product (we've witnessed enough of that), bit organize play and winning games, that's footy.

He's gonna have a small budget, but I'm not writing him off. I'm on the fence, no overwhelmed nor worried. I expect a drop in league position, like 10th or 9th, but to be expected with a new man and a períod of transition.

This is a worry, mind. I can't see the fans staying too patient with a low league placing.

I expect to see more of Barkley, Lundstram and Co.

All I know is I'm interested to see what'll happen.

Nick Palmer
148 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:49:30
Well we're nearly there, official announcement expected in next 48 hours! Let's stand together and give Roberto Martinez our full backing from the off and reasonable time to achieve results we all we want. He clearly has a greatly improved team from the one Moyes inherited; perhaps with canny use of Weir and Stubbs this appointment will hopefully bring stimulus, further improvement and success we all crave so desperately! COYB!!
Joe Clitherow
149 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:56:00
Ross 998 Like I said I'll get behind the guy but forgive me if I don't share your (misplaced) optimism/blind faith/complacency (take your pick)

Presumably you want new attackers (with what?) or if the present unit used to playing a new system have to change their ways then I can only see an immediate dip whilst they get used to any new gung ho system.

Of the defenders you mention two are over 30 (one of whom completely defies the odds in terms of performance but time will catch up sooner rather than later), the other is 28 and one of our two most saleable assets to raise the funds you might need for your attacking revolution. If this is to be realised at all then Baines has to be sold now-ish as his value will now be diminshing. Their replacements are another CB over 30 who's lost his heart and wants to go, a much maligned RB over 30 and a boy with virtually no premiership experience. I agree they will not be bad defenders overnight but the combined team defence a la Moyes relies on the players immediately in front of them also providing defensive cover.

Paints a very different picture n'est-ce pas?

So yes we need a striker which we all agree was the missing link last couple of seasons, and Jelavic flattered to deceive, but I'd say the defence needs immediate attention to build another solid unit which we have heavily relied on over the past decade.

Whatever else is said about Moyes, I'd have trusted him to get the most bang for our limited bucks for defenders (Kroldrup aside) and to drill them into an efficient unit over a couple of years.

But entrusting Martinez with this makes me shudder.

Sin defendo, and COYB

Chris Leyland
150 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:56:38
Let's give the man a chance before we inevitably spilt into those who want him out and those who think he is the greatest thing since sliced bread. Then, the ex-MOB can provide the new MOB with some catchphrases such as myopic, morose Martinez. Rigid, rancid Roberto. Whilst the Former IMWT gang can give the new IMWT gang some stats to use about how finishing 6th in the Premier League is as good as it gets given the finances.
Sean McCarthy
151 Posted 03/06/2013 at 21:07:51
Totally underwhelmed by his soon to be confirmed appointment if I'm totally honest

The only thing cheering me up is the thought that Tony Marsh is out and about somewhere telling whoever will listen "Mark my words, it's definitely gonna be Phil Neville. My source at the club told me"!!!

Sam Morrison
152 Posted 03/06/2013 at 21:06:54
I'm behind him as we all should be. That's all I can say about it - now's not the time to be predicting doom, even if he wasn't my preference.
Paul Ferry
154 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:58:10
Tony Sullivan (72) - this is starting to get a little silly dumb now: 'The negativity on here has reached ridiculous proportions, the man has not even started yet'.

'Negativity'? Somewhat over-the-top, I feel.

There is nothing at all negative about saying something like this, I did want someone else, or this, I don't feel particularly excited this minute, or even this, I have concerns about the future.

People are absolutely bang on entitled to say what they have been saying for a couple of weeks now about their preferences one way or another.

Are we all supposed to be leaping about our houses right now screaming and clapping and howling with unmitigated delight? Foolish. Do we all have to dance because some of us are dancing?

What sort of reaction did you honestly expect? It was always going to be a mixed bag whoever got the nod from Teary Billy. People have their picks and opinions and are perfectly entitled to voice them. Are we somehow disloyal if we express a little bit of understandable concern or confess to not being set alight by developments in L4?

One noticeable thing is how people with shreds of scepticism still wish RM good luck want him to do well.
So, the new piety begins. We have all to be jumping off and on wardrobes in unadulterated glee or we will be called 'negative'. And don't you dare tap that doom and gloom word Mr Adams or Mr him or Mrs her.

So, I would have preferred the Oporto geezer. I have one or two concerns about Martinez that I would like and hope and perhaps expect to see resolved (the least of them, by the way, is his record on defence). I am happy at the thought that we might well pick up a couple of pie-eater players who I value highly. I like what I see of RM but I have concerns, he was not my 1st choice, but I wish him all the luck in the world and would like him to succeed.

Am I, therefore, 'negative'?

Andy Burke
155 Posted 03/06/2013 at 20:56:17
Welcome Martinez. I for one am really happy about this. It's not completely without reservation but I see the positives as:

We will play some very good football next year. Nobody on here can deny this one.
Welcome back School of Science. - Okay, maybe not the defence.
He's a real gent.
He has already won a lot more than Moyes with a lot less resources.
We will give the bigger teams a go. - I bet Martinez soon wins at Anfield.
We will not bottle the bigger games. - I was a Moyes fan but there is no denying that when the chips were down his Everton side often failed.
He is only young.
He has Premier League experience.

The only negative I can really see is:

His teams are shit at defending. - Granted, this is a fucking massive one but I would wager that he is intelligent enough and young enough to work on that one.

Clive Lewis
156 Posted 03/06/2013 at 21:13:54
Madness.......Madness. .......
Neil Hutchinson
157 Posted 03/06/2013 at 21:14:13
He doesn't get my vote!! I don't want to pay and watch Wigan Mk 2. Four seasons he had to sort Wigan... he achieved relegation. Not for me.
Andrew Wilson
158 Posted 03/06/2013 at 21:08:01
He'll get my support. However, I can't help thinking that a club consistently finishing in the top 8 of the richest league in the world, could have attracted a bigger name. Perhaps someone whose team hasn't just been relegated?

When Moyes was appointed, Everton had been struggling for years, so a Championship manager was understandable. As the 6th best team in the league, I don't think a Championship manager is acceptable now. We should be setting our sights higher.

Still if it is Martinez, hopefully he'll prove me wrong.

James Byrne
159 Posted 03/06/2013 at 21:16:24
I'm getting behind Roberto 100% even though I know this could be a risk; can't wait for the season to start and the welcoming of sexy football at Goddison Park.

IRWT!

Roger Helm
160 Posted 03/06/2013 at 21:12:12
I think some of us have delusions of grandeur. We're not a European giant with all the top coaches fighting to get in. RM is definitely the best of the available managers – do we want Hughes or Lennon or Pulis or an internal appointment?

I like the fact he's intelligent, knows the PL, unlike Pereira et al, believes in conditioning players to avoid soft tissue injury and best of all is attacking and aggressive. Defensively we'll be OK – Jags and Distin don't need coaching. I can't wait to see the new blood he'll bring in.

Thomas James
161 Posted 03/06/2013 at 21:14:55
It was going to be Martinez - He is the best appointment to give the board the least amount of grief....he is likely to be more accepting of continually not being backed than anyone else, that is all Kenwright needed to hear.
Peter Laing
163 Posted 03/06/2013 at 21:17:21
Welcome to Martinez, let the dynasty begin and he turned the redshite down, that will do for me, onwards Evertonians
Paul Ferry
164 Posted 03/06/2013 at 21:16:03
Priceless. Back-to-back posts:


Carl Sanderson (83) - Well, he has my support, but I'm unimpressed.'

Ian Bennett (84) 'll support him, but I can't say I am impressed'

Can I just say that Carl and Ian have very right to say this as the new Bishops who rap them on the knuckles for daring to be underwhelmed in this holy minute.

Peter Laing
165 Posted 03/06/2013 at 21:22:46
If he can replicate the first half performance that knocked Everton out of the Cup on a regular basis we are hopefully in business
Julian Exshaw
166 Posted 03/06/2013 at 21:23:02
Sorry for being a pedantic old bastard, but lets get the pronunciation right...it's Marteeenez, empahasis on the tiii, not Martin-ez as Sky says....ugh!! I think he'll do well! Mucha suerte Roberto!!
Guy Hastings
167 Posted 03/06/2013 at 21:22:54
Moyes, please don't take our best players.
Martinez, can we cherry pick anyone beginning with Mc from Wigan?
A little inconsistency here.
Rob Pryor
168 Posted 03/06/2013 at 21:21:29
Am not convinced that Rangnick or Pereira were ever officially approached.

But of the three, RM was my first choice. Good luck Roberto!

Timothy Blanshard
169 Posted 03/06/2013 at 21:15:31
Think of it like this then, if Moyesie was still in charge what would we be expecting for the coming season?
Answer pretty much the same as the season that has just finished.

Maybe just maybe a leap into the unknown is just what we need, a shot in the arm so to speak, Martinez will know what a good side we have and will hopefully not bottle it when taking on the teams we have NEVER beaten in their own yard under Daveys reign.

Yes maybe we needed a change, the ultimate litmus test will be looking down the east lancs road and comparing notes.
If David Moyes can take utd forward with a shed full of dosh, well we have our answers.
A change is as good as a rest, hopefully!

Seb Niemand
170 Posted 03/06/2013 at 21:26:58
Oh God no. This is a terrible choice. A terrible, terrible choice. This man will make Mike Walker look like, well, David Moyes. if this comes to pass, we will rue this day. And lament it it.
Phil Brown
171 Posted 03/06/2013 at 21:28:21
Wanted him as manager for the last two years so here we go. Expect that we will drop a couple of places whilst he settles in but really looking forward to seeing barkley and lundstrum boss the midfield in a couple of years time.

Good luck Roberto.

Roberto Birquet
173 Posted 03/06/2013 at 21:27:28
Hello
I am not Martinez. Defo not, I'm a defender.
Paul Ferry
174 Posted 03/06/2013 at 21:30:58
Whelan is on 5-Live in 10 minutes or so lads and lasses
Tommy Coleman
175 Posted 03/06/2013 at 21:26:30
I expect a Cup win within 2 years. Champs League qualification in 3 years. League Title in 5 years and Champs League title in 6 years !

Brian Clough did it!

I'm back in love with football.

COYB !!

Matthew Williams
176 Posted 03/06/2013 at 21:10:10
Great appointment, Billy Boy, first the new badge... now this. I keep getting nasty visions of a new Mike Walker here, I hope & prey I am wrong.

One more thing, folks: all this talk of buying the Macca lad, so where's he gonna play exactly? Young Seamus has the right wing boxed off already, left wing's sorted as well, with Pienaar, Mirallas & Oviedo, take yer pick, we ONLY need one player at the moment... a fucking striker — NOW!!!.

Frank Wade
177 Posted 03/06/2013 at 21:22:32
What a disastrous appointment if true. Even worse are the suggestions that he brings the likes of MacManaman with him. Can't believe the hype around Martinez and how the anti-Moyes brigade are so welcoming of a man with such a poor record for shipping goals. How many have actually watched a Wigan match? Guys on here talking up Wigan's attacking football – on what basis? As you will no doubt find out pretty soon, football is about defence as well as attack.

A Black day for our great club.

Drew Shortis
178 Posted 03/06/2013 at 21:19:07
Paul Ferry (97)
You have some valid points, but I see what Tony Sullivan (72) was trying to say, I just think he overstated his point a bit. The majority of people who have reservations over RM have also said they will give him a chance and wish him the best. But there is also several ridiculously negative comments (DOOM!!! Championship next season etc...). I think that's what Tony way referring to, not everyone who is not jumping for joy. Correct me if I'm wrong Tony?
Ian Bennett
179 Posted 03/06/2013 at 21:28:13
Paul 108 - he's not the second coming, but I suspect it will resemble a Monty Python sketch...
Dave Lynch
180 Posted 03/06/2013 at 21:29:22
The best I can say about Martinez is I wish he'd gone to Liverpool.

But we will just have to get on with it and come the end of November will see what he's made of.

Roger Helm
181 Posted 03/06/2013 at 21:31:27
And why do we need to pay compensation to Wigan, other than for working for Everton during his notice period? If he resigned before we appointed him, why should we compensate Wigan for the rest of his contract?
Patrick Murphy
182 Posted 03/06/2013 at 21:19:32
The good thing is that nobody is expecting miracles from RM so there is a little less pressure on him than might have been the case, add to that the fact that he will need to win the doubters over and prove to himself that he can cut it an established PL club.

I hope when the season gets underway that a packed Goodison will welcome him in the same manner that David Moyes was welcomed and all those who have managed Everton in the past, until it went awry or got stale. I also hope that people remember how patient they were with DM when on occasion we had to wait until October for our first home win.

Depending on who remains of the backroom staff, we have enough good people to maintain the good things that DM instilled and if RM can retain that spirit and add to it a spirit of adventure we could be in for an interesting if not a roller-coaster season.

I hope for the majority of the time he allows his players to express themselves freely but remembers that sometimes a team does have to be defensively minded, but not in every game and not against all opposition, let's see where we are at Christmas and then worry or dream depending on the results we have.

I hope we play the bigger teams early on as even if it goes pear-shaped there will still be time to recover, but if it goes well then who knows what might happen.
Good Luck Roberto - Here's to an interesting six months.


Tony Hanlon
183 Posted 03/06/2013 at 21:27:40
So the richest club in the world gets our manager for nothing while we pay compo to Wigan - and why , because our chairman/board didn't have the foresight to put (demand) our manager on a 12 month rolling contract in January.

It is nothing short of disgraceful that Everton have lost up to £2m to replace our manager by this useless regime that run our club.
Paul Ferry
184 Posted 03/06/2013 at 21:33:39
Whelan on 5live right now
Tony Knox
185 Posted 03/06/2013 at 21:35:41
Looks like the interviewing of decent managers was just for show. Give the job to the bloke who failed at Wigan.

Piss off Kenwright

Gavin Ramejkis
186 Posted 03/06/2013 at 21:32:45
Ross #977 that's a lot kinder than the version I heard

Martinez whooa
Martinez whooa
He comes from Wigan Town
Won a Cup then took them down
Martinez whooa

Frank if you love Gollum so much go with him, 11 years and won fuck all, Rubber Toe hasn't managed a bleeding friendly yet, new players, who knows?

Bjørn-Ivar Pedersen
188 Posted 03/06/2013 at 21:32:44
God help us all.....I am now officially putting my support for Everton on ice until further notice, let's just hope when I am back I am not finding a team fighting relegation in Championship. Good luck to you all, you will need it.
Jamie Crowley
189 Posted 03/06/2013 at 21:33:20
I just officially (although my switch has been rumored for weeks) gone from the MOB to the IMWT brigade.
Andrew Bone
190 Posted 03/06/2013 at 21:34:31
The worrying thing will be the back room staff. I hope he leaves the majority behind and sticks with Stubbs and Weir. Our defence which is pretty useful cannot turn to crap due to the manager. I am not happy with the appointment, but we may see an attack minded approach, and hopefully some of the younger lads. The real problem is how happy Fellaini etc will be playing under him.

Time will tell. My only hope is that a few of the players (not defenders) fancy a crack at it with us.

Paul Dark
191 Posted 03/06/2013 at 21:35:08
It's a disastrous appointment.

Kenwright has clearly done nothing this last month other than bend over backwards to curry favour with the smiling Spaniard. He's made no concerted effort to speak to Europe's top coaches - or to make the right appointment in some consultation with fans - as he said he would.

He's quite the wrong man to be entrusted with such a big task. Our stock was high, and blew it by appointing Relegation Roberto. We really have missed an enormous opportunity here.

Martinez will not thrive. He's not an 'Everton manager'. Do we really want a man who deserts sinking ships taking the helm?

Derek Thomas
193 Posted 03/06/2013 at 21:16:26
Alea iacta est; Will it be, to quote Al Jolson...'You ain't seen nothing yet' or turn into Alponso Spagoni...The Spaniard that Blighted my Life.

If it all turns to a soggy paella we will know soon enough but improving us and getting it right might take a bit longer. Which makes next season WIP

How much Bill can throw in the pot will be as crucial as what he does with it.

I don't see McMananan as high on the list though, we have Coleman to do what he did to City.

Mark Frere
194 Posted 03/06/2013 at 21:37:30
Bjorn, don't bother coming back, if you can't support Everton through thick and thin, your not a real supporter in my book . Martinez wasn't anywhere near the top of my wish list, but i'm right behind the lad
Tony Marsh
195 Posted 03/06/2013 at 21:35:40
Sean@ 094 Pip was offered the job and I never used the phrase mark my words. Its all bollocks now anyway we have now got a proper football brain at our club. You MIBS can bleat and cry over Darling Dave all you like but he has gone so get over it. Stop slaughtering the new guy before he has even started.

At least it won't be a dreary dullfest like it was under DM. It's time to move on, Sean, you and all the other MIBS who are still in mourning.

Matt Higgins
196 Posted 03/06/2013 at 21:27:58
I live not far from RM and for many months the talk in this sheep-shagging rural idyll just north of God's own 'Pool has been that RM has long been considered by BK as the heir apparent to Moysey. What really surprises me is that the Latics' relegation didn't torpedo his appointment.. "Hey Roberto, do you want the good news or the bad news first? The bad news is that Wigan are going to be relegated. The good news is this will earn you the Everton job and a fat pay rise." No entiendo! If RM fails at Goodison, Wigan's relegation will be the very large stick that Kenright is beaten with.

As for Dave Whelan, he's a media dream. Expect more indiscretions from him in the next few days.

James Elworthy
197 Posted 03/06/2013 at 21:39:20
He was not my first choice but good luck to him and like every loyal Evertonian I will give him my backing and support.
Lets hope he will bring attacking football to the club, retain our best players, give youth a chance, improve the depth and quality of the squad, and lower the average age of the squad also.
Ian Bennett
198 Posted 03/06/2013 at 21:39:48
I'll save you looking, oddschecker don't have the sack race odds yet.
Brent Stephens
199 Posted 03/06/2013 at 21:37:35
Paulo is still developing the pics as we speak - Bielsa and Bill was it?

And who else told it was definitely this guy or that guy? inside knowledge and all that? "take it from me... you heard it here first" etc. You gotta laugh.

So, RoMa can do for us what he did for Wigan. Is that the FA Cup and the Championship?

Brian Denton
200 Posted 03/06/2013 at 21:43:13
Mark 138 - spot on. I couldn't believe that post from Bjorn - unfashionable as it may be, I want Everton fans to support the club, unconditionally. Christ, how did our fathers manage when the club actually was in the Second Division?
Danny James
201 Posted 03/06/2013 at 21:31:38
Who is the man
That would risk his neck for his brother man?
Roberto
Can ya dig it?

Who's the cat that won't cop out
When there's danger all about
Roberto
Right on

IRWT

Mark Press
202 Posted 03/06/2013 at 21:45:06
Obvious choice if you consider the managers available.

I've been looking at the Wigan squad sheets every game the last two seasons. Martinez is quite similar to Moyes in that he tends not to tamper too much with a first-choice eleven, sometimes resulting in underutilization of the potential of the bench. I hope he keeps our defence tight. We very rarely used to let in more than two goals a game during the Moyes reign, and that needs to continue.

FA cup next season?

Drew Shortis
203 Posted 03/06/2013 at 21:43:33
Bjørn-Ivar Pedersen, what a terrible attitude, and before the guy has managed us in a single game!

Paul Dark, I want RM here. Wigan are finally back in the championship, but they aren't exactly a sinking ship. He has left them with a squad that can compete in that league and the club is in a solid financial state, with several assets they can sell of (MCArthur, McCarthy, McManaman, Kone and Maloney) if they choose to so their new boss can bring in his own players. They have European Football and a shiny FA Cup in the cabinet to cheer them up. Remember, this is Wigan we are talking about, not Newcastle or West Ham!

Seriously, cheer up mate. You never know, RM may actually do a good job. Only time will tell, but your pessimism is depressing!

Paul Ferry
204 Posted 03/06/2013 at 21:46:16
This is utterly insane and inane drivel and can I use a word I never use any more which deserves to see the light of day more often: 100 per cent codswallops (Ah: codswallops)

Bj�rn-Ivar Pedersen (132): God help us all.....I am now officially putting my support for Everton on ice until further notice, lets just hope when I am back I am not finding a team fighting relegation in Championship. Good luck to you all, you will need it.

What a ------ A --- of the highest order. What bollocks.

Have concerns yes, that's expected and realistic, but here lads and lasses we have the footie nous of a disabled locust.

Tim Lampshire
205 Posted 03/06/2013 at 21:45:37
Bjorn, never turn your back on this club fella, whoever's at the helm
Paul Roderick
206 Posted 03/06/2013 at 21:47:19
Just like to point out - Wigan weren't even that good at attacking.
Brent Stephens
207 Posted 03/06/2013 at 21:51:44
Tim - there's one bjorn every minute.
Kevin Tully
208 Posted 03/06/2013 at 21:51:29
He already has a good test with our pre-season tournament.

Fixtures out June 19th!

Tony Knox
209 Posted 03/06/2013 at 21:52:08
Ian Bennett
143

He'll have to be appointed first to featureI think. Definitely worth a bet though.

A disaster of an appointment. He's not Mark Hughes is the only positive here, and to be fair Hughes has never been relegated.

Brent Stephens
210 Posted 03/06/2013 at 21:53:04
I suppose we are not all bjorn Evertonians.
Stephen Brown
211 Posted 03/06/2013 at 21:49:28
I'm sure Roberto Martinez will do a good job. He's a positive, intelligent man who gets his teams playing a good brand of football. (I watched his Swansea teams a lot!)

He's also clever enough to know his weaknesses (defence) so will surely enlist Weir, Stubbs, Neville etc to assist with this.

Good luck, Roberto – I hope his positivity can rub off on all Evertonians!

Paul Ferry
212 Posted 03/06/2013 at 21:53:33
Paul Roderick (151) 'Just like to point out - Wigan weren't even that good at attacking'

Just like to point out that you must missed a particular FA CUP quarter final this year; just like to point out hat you are spouting codswallops.

Paul Ferry
213 Posted 03/06/2013 at 21:55:31
Love it Brent (156)
Dermot Ryan
214 Posted 03/06/2013 at 21:56:32
See you Bjorn. You won't be missed. Support isn't conditional.
Jon Withey
215 Posted 03/06/2013 at 21:51:57
Er...I think most Evertonians would support the club whatever league Bjorn.

Good appointment, got a lot of time for him.

Should bring on the youngsters and get in a few gems + continue our recent move to attacking football.

Entertaining Everton.

Ian Bennett
216 Posted 03/06/2013 at 21:54:31
Tony - everton's betting partner could do a special at his press conference. Perhaps Bill can pile on the Felli money to make us debt free.
Dermot Ryan
217 Posted 03/06/2013 at 21:57:29
Everton are slated to play LA Galaxy, Juventus, and Real Madrid in early August in LA. For those who have complained in the past by our lame pre-season warm ups. I know they'll all be taking it a little easy in LA, but still that is a very impressive line-up and right before the kick-off of the season.
Frank Wade
218 Posted 03/06/2013 at 21:37:30
Gavin, I am assuming you are referring to David Moyes as Gollum - what a typically juvenile comment as expected from the Moyes haters. How long will it take before you have some juvenile comments to make about Martinez. Oh I see you have started already.

I have supported Everton since early 60's so won't be going anywhere or putting my support on ice as Bjorn-Ivar is doing. So you and Bill would just jump in for a guy who won an FA Cup and that makes him better than David Moyes for some reason. I understand and know my football. Looks like you and your brigade got what you deserve.

One or two posts accepting of this appointment just because he allegedly turned down Liverpool. That's a great basis.

We are a top 6 team in the Premier League operating on a Championship budget and we could have done much much better than someone who has shown over the past four years, that he is a basement manager at best, with a kamikaze attitude to football.

Remember him whinging one week about Walcott diving for a penalty and whinging the following week when Maloney's dive didn't get a penalty at Goodison.

David Cornmell
219 Posted 03/06/2013 at 21:52:47
I can't wait! Welcome aboard Bobby Martinez. Just hope the chairman provides more than 30p and some buttons in transfer funds....
Patrick Murphy
220 Posted 03/06/2013 at 21:56:21
Mark Press # 147 The odds are against him winning the FA Cup with Everton as the only man who has won it managing 2 different clubs is Billy Walker who won it with Sheffield Wednesday in 1935 and Nottingham Forest in 1959. The last manager to win it in consecutive seasons was Arsene Wenger in 2002 and 2003 for Arsenal. Bill Nicholson did it 1961 and 1962 with Spurs and Keith Burkinshaw in 1981 and 1982 again with Spurs.

Jackie Barry
221 Posted 03/06/2013 at 21:59:40
Ok cut the negativity lets get behind him
Iain Davies
222 Posted 03/06/2013 at 21:54:37
May as well give the new guy a fair crack at the job good luck Roberto.


Martinez oh oh oh
Martinez oh oh oh
He turned down the shite
And now he's blue and white
Martinez oh oh oh

Rob Martinez is a blue is a blue
Rob Martinez is a blue is a blue
He hates kopites!

Patrick Murphy
223 Posted 03/06/2013 at 22:04:23
Mind you the last 3 managers of the FA Cup winners had one thing in common they were all called Rubber Toe. Martinez, De Mateo and Mancini.
Al Philby
224 Posted 03/06/2013 at 22:03:26
Danny James...regarding your piece of poetry...are you being sarcastic or is this genuine exultation?
David Sheen
225 Posted 03/06/2013 at 22:03:33
Haven't Everton got the 8th highest wage bill in the Premiership?

This nonsense about being a top six side but punching above our weight. We've not been operating on a Championship budget.

Our wage bill is double that of the top championship sides.

Moyes guiding Everton to top six isn't all that special. Why does everyone seem to think that everyone is richer than us? They aren't

John Collins
226 Posted 03/06/2013 at 22:08:45
It's a TRAP!!!!
Jamie Crowley
228 Posted 03/06/2013 at 22:08:31
We may actually win something.

We may actually be fun to watch.

We may actually go for it at Mordor.

We may actually let the younger kids play.

We may actually pull a muscle reaching for that brass ring.

I'm thrilled with this appointment and honestly can not understand the negativity.

David Greenwood
229 Posted 03/06/2013 at 22:09:35
Lets go Roberto, c'mon.

We are good defensively, you don't need to do much there.

Bring McCarthy, Maloney, McManaman, Wanyama from Celtic, we will be happy.

And any kopites who have logged on here posting anti RM comments, just fuck right off please.

James Elworthy
230 Posted 03/06/2013 at 22:06:38
Evertonians are Bjorn not manufactured (Brian Labone)
Support should be unconditional, irrespective of who is the manager.
Moyes has gone we need to move on and give our backing to Roberto whether you wanted him or not if your a true Evertonian you will give him your true support
Roberto Birquet
231 Posted 03/06/2013 at 22:10:24
Last I saw it was 10th highest, but had risen from less than that, David. But apparently, the wage level and where teams finish has a high degree of parallel predictability. Everton tended to beat its financial position more than any others and consistently so.

But certainly we should be mid table rather than bottom six, where we were pre Moyes. The latter helps to explain the praise he gets. And we would not have made it to tenth highest wage givers were it not for the money coming from the relative success of the past ten years.

Jamie Barlow
232 Posted 03/06/2013 at 22:13:43
We may be shite Jamie.
Mike Green
233 Posted 03/06/2013 at 22:06:40
Tony Marsh #089 - you never fail to disappoint, working my way down the posts and yours had me grinning for ear to ear, awesome. :D
John Gee
234 Posted 03/06/2013 at 22:10:09
Right, some of you need a reality check....

No photograph of Ruburto holding a scarf aloft yet.

The source is Dave Whelan who convinced everyone RM was RS manager a year ago.

Kenwright is SILENT about this appointment so far.

So lets all just keep our powder dry. We're becoming like the mob in the Simpsons. How many 'done deals' have we seen in football, only for nothing to transpire? I bet Whelan has been pestering Kenwright all week for an answer to possible compensation, in principle.

Anyway, I don't see why we can't all just cancel pre-season and just get on with the new season. I can't fucking wait!

Jamie Crowley
235 Posted 03/06/2013 at 22:15:44
Jamie -

I may actually have inoperable brain cancer next week.

I may actually get hit by a bus crossing the street.

I may actually see Jesus riding on a white horse out of the clouds in 5 minutes.

Yes, there's a ying and yang to everything. Correct.

But minimally RM will give us a different, and inarguably more exciting approach. So I'm happy. Very happy. And it befuddles me how anyone can "gloom and doom" his appointment.

Paul Dark
236 Posted 03/06/2013 at 22:15:06
I want the smiling Spaniard to do well for us - but fear he won't.

Kenwright has really created a rod for his own back with this appointment. He got lucky with Moyes and now believes his own hype. The hubris (and downright inadequacy/stupidity) of the man is limitless.

It is a lazy and unimaginative appointment.

Steven Telford
238 Posted 03/06/2013 at 22:18:08
There are pros, there are cons. His numbers are not that impressive, but he should now have bit more money, and let see if he can prove himself at the sometime as playing some nice football.

I am very happy its not an internal, and as well that he seems a decent guy, I really could not have imagine myself getting behind a team that has somebody like Sam the bung at the helm.

Imagine the irony for Rodgers and the Liverpool board if he has us out perform them.
Touch wood, we should welcome him.

Jamie Barlow
239 Posted 03/06/2013 at 22:20:40
I'm not a gloom and doom person by any stretch. He may do well, he may not. He'll get my full backing as he should from every Evertonian. I'm just a bit, er, whatever about the whole thing to be honest.
Paul Dark
240 Posted 03/06/2013 at 22:23:34
Why pay compensation, anyway, for man who has agreed to leave? More ugliness from Wigan and Whelan (and Martinez).
Danny James
241 Posted 03/06/2013 at 22:13:26
Al Philby
genuinely pleased. I have a feeling he is going to be a really good manager
Whether that will be with us and whether he is the perfect fit for us is another matter. He is an FA cup winning manager before he is 40. I know he took wigan down but they were shit and were going to go down at some point

He will bring a more attacking style of football to Goodison and we will get to see whether our consistent top 8 finishes were achieved purely because of the strong defence minded tactics of Moyesy or whether it could have been achieved with more flair to spare

Drew Shortis
242 Posted 03/06/2013 at 22:25:58
Paul, RM had a contract with Wigan which he wanted to break. They are therefore entitled to compensation. I guess this would technically be due from RM, but as he was breaking the contract to come to us we have to pay it. Simples!
Jamie Crowley
243 Posted 03/06/2013 at 22:24:53
For what it's worth Jamie, I understand your reservations completely. Your measured response is frankly much more prudent than mine. In an honest moment, you are taking a much more measured approach to this.

I know you probably don't give a toss about my opinion of your comments, but I applaud you and every other Evertonian who feels trepidation about RM, but gets behind him.

Respect that for what it's worth. And from all I've read posted by you I'd expect nothing less.

Tony Christian
244 Posted 03/06/2013 at 22:25:00
The right man for the right job at the right time. Moyes was a charlatan who didn't give a damn about Everton this past 12 months - Buena Suerta Roberto
Bren Connor
245 Posted 03/06/2013 at 22:27:54
Ya veremos... Dentro de un año podria ser nuestro Maradona o el nuevo McClaren ...
Laco Hegyi
246 Posted 03/06/2013 at 22:11:41
Reminder (a few facts) about Martinez's failure (quotation):

"The season before Martinez arrived in June 2009, the Latics had actually finished 11th with 45 points — 11 above the drop zone. In fact, the only time they were involved in a genuine relegation battle in their first four seasons in the top flight was in 2006–07, when they finished 17th, staying up on goal difference over Sheffield United.

They had finished 10th in their first year among the big boys and, after dicing with death the following season, they improved to 14th in 2007-08 and continued the upward trend before Steve Bruce quit and Martinez came in. In Wigan’s first four years as a Premier League outfit, they managed 47 victories from their 152 matches, a win ratio of just over 30 per cent. Under Martinez, that figure dropped to 38 victories from 152 — a win ratio of just 25 per cent.

"And while Martinez’s teams are justifiably praised for their slick passing game, Toffees supporters will be particularly concerned by his failure to find a remedy for Wigan’s glaring defensive shortcomings.
In his first season in charge they conceded an alarming 79 goals — an average of more than two a game — and their goal difference of minus 42 was the worst in the division.

"After a couple of seasons in which they let in ‘only’ 61 and 62 goals, they were a soft touch again as they stumbled towards the relegation trapdoor. The 73 goals they conceded this season was the joint worst in the top flight along with Reading — and was 13 more than bottom club Queens Park Rangers. OK, Wigan were particularly hard hit by injuries to defenders, with key men Antolin Alcaraz and Ivan Ramis missing most of the campaign. But in crucial matches towards the end of the season — such as their 3-2 home defeat against Swansea and the costly 2–2 home draw with Tottenham — the Latics looked almost clueless at the back. In their last six league games when fighting for their lives, they had 15 goals scored against them. So it is no wonder they failed to avoid the drop."

We got what we deserve.

Sam Hoare
247 Posted 03/06/2013 at 22:22:56
Assuming this is going to happen as seems most likely.

I feel....mixed feelings.

On one hand, Roberto seems likes a genuinely likeable man with integrity. He favours good football. He's young. He's capable of getting great performances from his team. He's won a cup.

On the other hand, he's also capable of getting terrible performances from his team. His Wigan never outperformed in the league, by that I mean they never finished much above where they sat in the wage/transfer tables. His hair is thinning a bit.

There are others I might have preferred but I feel optimistic that with a little luck this might be a great long term appointment. Welcome and best of luck Roberto.

ps

People who think he will be bringing Mcmanaman etc with him, it won't be that easy!! Can see both McCarthy and McManaman being priced at £10m+ by Whelan.

Mike Price
248 Posted 03/06/2013 at 22:18:34
Cannot believe people moaning on here. I'm delighted Moyes has gone, most overrated manager ever, defensive, boring,predictable, failing when it really mattered, ruining strikers, holding on to 1-0 and then drawing or losing and never winning a thing despite spending some serious money.

Martinez has won something on a real budget with virtually a non league team who have no home advantage whatsoever. He plays great football, can recognize good players with pace and technical ability, and finally gives us hope of not being afraid.

The RS are hating this by the way, we've got the real deal and they've got the poor imitation.

Hope and entertainment, flair football played without fear by better players built on a sound defence, yet so many would prefer the Groundhog Day of another Moyes or Moyes-type season under Weir or Stubbs!? Seriously, get a grip.

James Elworthy
249 Posted 03/06/2013 at 22:32:43
Everton statement on the managerial position.

In response to regrettable and somewhat premature reports earlier this evening, Everton Football Club are continuing discussions with regards to the vacant managerial position.

Whilst positive moves are being made, the Club will officially announce details as and only when they are agreed and completed.

Lewis Morrison
250 Posted 03/06/2013 at 22:35:43
Maybe not Martinez after all !

What the fucks going on??????????

Jamie Crowley
251 Posted 03/06/2013 at 22:32:19
Laco -

What was Wigan's net spend pre-Martinez in the top flight? What was Martinez' net spend during his time in charge?

He fielded an entire team that cost less than Felliani and won an FA Cup.

Paul Ferry
252 Posted 03/06/2013 at 22:32:27
Laco Hegyi (194) — What is the point at this exact moment in time in posting this? How does it contribute to the atmosphere? Even those of us not exactly on fire about Robo must wish him and us well. The time for this stuff was 24 hours ago, it is now utterly unhelpful and utterly irrelevant.

The choice has been made. Live with it. No need now to dreg up the past like this, never mind that I (and others more qualified) could do a pretty good job to put this silly post in a much better light.

Brent Stephens
253 Posted 03/06/2013 at 22:28:44
The grand old lady
Robbie the lady’s new man
To Europe or Bolton?
David Hallwood
254 Posted 03/06/2013 at 22:18:29
Next season will be a strange one in that we will be one of three teams that have changed managers not because a poor run of results-Us man U & Chelsea. Now normally the new guy has to come in and rebuild a failing side, this isn't the case with us and it will be an interesting experiment, to see how Martinez manages and improves what is a talented but somewhat thin squad.

Nervous but interesting times ahead.

Mike Litherland
255 Posted 03/06/2013 at 22:39:22
Don't count your chickens:

Announcement on the EFC website:

In response to regrettable and somewhat premature reports earlier this evening, Everton Football Club are continuing discussions with regards to the vacant managerial position.

Whilst positive moves are being made, the Club will officially announce details as and only when they are agreed and completed.

Kevin Tully
256 Posted 03/06/2013 at 22:40:58
Easy now fella's ;

http://www.evertonfc.com/news/archive/2013/06/03/everton-statement

James Elworthy
257 Posted 03/06/2013 at 22:39:17
All that has happened is we have agreed compo according to big mouth JJB Whelan we haven't agreed terms with Martinez
Jamie Sweet
258 Posted 03/06/2013 at 22:27:24
This is the man who wasn't interested in the Liverpool job. He is clearly a class act!
Patrick Murphy
259 Posted 03/06/2013 at 22:37:25
BK isn't going to pay the compo? City want him as No2? Tony Marsh was right all along? it's Neville?

OMG as they say in modern parlance.

Brent Stephens
260 Posted 03/06/2013 at 22:39:35
EFC: "regrettable and somewhat premature reports". Interesting.
Jamie Crowley
261 Posted 03/06/2013 at 22:41:37
Chickens, quick! Back in the coop damn you!
Brent Stephens
262 Posted 03/06/2013 at 22:43:45
Jamie -haha! How many did we have?
Lewis Morrison
263 Posted 03/06/2013 at 22:42:37
Anyone know what Whelan said on the radio earlier?
Patrick Murphy
264 Posted 03/06/2013 at 22:43:27
My Mrs is always saying that to me Premature and Regrettable! Another day wasted in the managerial saga. Just as I was getting used to the idea of RM.

Jamie Crowley
265 Posted 03/06/2013 at 22:44:17
Well, was definitely one of the rabblerousers so...

one... two.... three...

Kristian Boyce
266 Posted 03/06/2013 at 22:46:30
Only at Everton
Jamie Crowley
267 Posted 03/06/2013 at 22:45:09
My God if we botch this down to compo and fuck the dog and bring on Neville / Wier / blah blah...

It's too much. Really is. Surely can't happen. Can it?

Only at Everton. sigh.

Jamie Crowley
268 Posted 03/06/2013 at 22:49:43
When people blow up balloons at a birthday party, Kenwright is the idiot holding the pin.
Steve Nico
269 Posted 03/06/2013 at 22:38:33
Goodness me, a quick count of all the posts and it's about 60% supportive, 40% not so. Those 'not so' are ridiculously vitriolic about potentially our new manager so forgive me being a tad realistic but who on earth did we really expect to get?

Would we have preferred an internal appointment...Stubbs, Irvine, Round, Pip...really?

In the UK, who's available or could be got....Pullis, Hughes, Poyet...come on, shite football or a probable lunatic when considering Poyet? Maybe Steve Clarke but WBA would have pushed for millions in compensation, I'd rather it went on players than a good coach with 1 good season as a manager.

Europe and the big names...do me a favour. No Euro football, realistically not millions to spend, perhaps not great English (a factor I guess) and Rangnick allegedly suggesting "I'll do it for a spell but need a deputy to shadow me!"

Martinez is well respected whether he is or isn't responsible for everything Wigan did well or didn't do well. RS and Villa defo went after him last year. He is likely to inherit a considerably better squad than he's had previously. We know he favours attacking, skilful football....so again, I am truly 100% behind him and yes there are better out there (Mourinho, Benitez?, Klopp) but there are many, many others who are considerably less appealing!!!

He'll do a great job, I have to believe that because as a blue, I want that.

Kevin Tully
270 Posted 03/06/2013 at 22:51:13
I remember this same scenario playing out when Martinez was suppose to sign for the RS — Whelan was on every TV & radio station who would listen to the soft old fucker.

This is down to him again.

Brent Stephens
271 Posted 03/06/2013 at 22:50:58
Jamie, did you ever play "kiss the blarney stone at kids' parties? Blindfolded, you actually kiss somebody's arm, but as blindfold comes off you see somebody pulling up their pants - you think you've kissed their arse.

I have this feeling of having just taken off the blindfold and seeing Bill pulling up his pants with a huge grin on his face.

Mark Dunford
272 Posted 03/06/2013 at 22:24:45
Bjorn stupid (132)

Great to see so many sane, positive, welcoming quotes. An understandable nervousness about the relegation mixed with optimism about style and winning big games. Let's hope he learns from the former and builds on the latter. I'm obviously with those thinking he can do well but like every new appointee he may need time which requires patience from everyone.

Intrigued to learn who he may sign but I think we all expect Fellaini and Heitinga to go to create a kitty of sorts. No doubt some of Wigan's team may join which should add depth to the squad and lower the average age. It is also easy to imagine players like Coleman and Baines flourishing in a more flexible system.

Unimpressed by the second rate market trader running Wigan. This sort of thing should be handled carefully by those at the top.

Al Philby
273 Posted 03/06/2013 at 22:28:06
Alright Danny: I am with you on this. Judging by the reactions of the naysayers, one would think that armageddon is nigh. Some have gone so far as to withdraw their support of the club. The hysteria has high entertainment value for sure, but I also think it is important to let the members of the disillusioned camp give vent to their frustrations. It's good to talk.

They should be concentrating on the positives:
1) It could have been Pip.
2) A cultured man.
3) Will get along excellently with Bill.
4) Hoofball no more.
5) Turned down Liverpool.
6) Will not complain about a tight budget.
7) A loyal man who will not use the club as a stepping stone.
8) Got relegated, yes, but so did Wenger, Klopp, and Benitez.
9) Understands the ethos of the club.
10) Extensive international connections; will bring exciting players to the club.

Just wait tilll this guy gets talking. He is one of the few football managers whom it is a pleasure to listen to. It is very difficult not to like Martinez. Not a drab Moyes, not a pedantic Rodgers, not a grumpy Sir Alex, not a pouting Wenger, but a football manager who has something genuinely interesting to say. He probably ran circles and around Mr and Mrs Kenwright. Exciting times ahead.

Mike Green
274 Posted 03/06/2013 at 22:56:50
Patrick #166 - don't know if anyone's pointed this out but Herbert Chapman won the cup with Huddersfield Town in 1922 and then with Arsenal in 1930.
Patrick Murphy
275 Posted 03/06/2013 at 22:58:56
Al you do realise that the club have released a statement that it is not yet a done deal? Other than that I do agree with what you're saying on the whole.
Jamie Crowley
276 Posted 03/06/2013 at 22:56:16
Brent - No... but believe me when I tell you I will definitely try that on someone in the very near future. Hilarious.

My only Blarney Stone knowledge is definitely do not kiss it - I've been told the locals piss all over it.

And yes, I see BK pulling up those 50" wide trousers with that smug grin on his face while I pull off my blindfold.

At least at this particular point in time...

Drew Shortis
277 Posted 03/06/2013 at 22:51:48
Interesting development. Finally something from the club, not a lot, but some communication with the fans. Surely they can't be worried about rumours flying around as that has been rife for weeks. Perhaps Whelan's announcement over the compo and the Media's assumption that RM's appointment is imminent has forced them to respond. I'm going to stay calm for now, but could this signal an internal appointment after all? I wish they would decide one way or another, this is starting to drive me nuts now!
Zaid Omar
278 Posted 03/06/2013 at 22:56:40
I have a strange feeling it's not gonna be Martinez after that club announcement... Why would they say the premature announcement is "regrettable" if as Greg O'Keefe puts it "talks are well on track"...

Either talks have broken down or Martinez's head has been turned by another club..

Brace yourselves for Neville with Stubbs as his assistant... Back to the "Dogs of War" days.

Mark Dunford
279 Posted 03/06/2013 at 22:55:13
Last post made before I noted statement on official site.

Whelan is a fool who is completely out of his depth.

Patrick Murphy
280 Posted 03/06/2013 at 23:00:40
Mike you are correct and what's worse is that I knew that in previous years and had never heard of the guy I mentioned who won it in 1935 and 1959. Thanks for the info a terrible oversight by myself and another bad day for my memory.
Dean Adams
281 Posted 03/06/2013 at 22:57:02
So, have we jumped the gun, or is Billy just fucking us? You have to be an Evertonian to tolerate all the crap they give us. Just another Kenwright farce. He really is an old pro!
Liam Young
282 Posted 03/06/2013 at 23:01:01
Well cannot say he was the manager I wanted, but if he is coming, we need to get behind Roberto and hope he can do the business for us.

We need a striker, sell Jelavic and Heitinga, and lets get Negredo in, though maybe Roberto has good contacts in La Liga, maybe he has other ideas,

Mick MacManus
283 Posted 03/06/2013 at 23:06:12
No harm on BK saying the other day that there wasa no favourite. It gives him a better chance of getting a better deal on manager salary. Sounds like Whelan jumping the gun.
Kevin Tully
284 Posted 03/06/2013 at 23:05:58
O'Keeffe twattering deal expected to be complete tomorrow.

More importantly, this ; "The appointment has already been well received by key members of Everton's dressing room"

Jamie Crowley
285 Posted 03/06/2013 at 23:07:28
This is soooo anti-climactic now.

Anyone wanna talk about baseball or hockey?

David Pearl
286 Posted 03/06/2013 at 23:06:07
Yes it's all Kenwrights fault.

The thing that irritates me the most at the moment is the lack of loyalty being shown by our backroom staff who seem only too eager to jump ship. Just as loyal as players seem these days. I think if we didn't have Blue Bill we maybe as well re-name the team along with rebranding the badge.

Paul McGinty
287 Posted 03/06/2013 at 22:59:09
When I heard the news I felt like many others, that Dave Whelan was not the appropriate channel to break the news of the compensation. Surely thats a confidential agreement, or should have been, until such time as Martinez actually signs on the dotted line for the Blues. It helps RM in his negotiations with the Blues, but other than filling column inches, surely not the most professional or beneficial way to handle from Evertons perspective.
Andrew Flanagan
288 Posted 03/06/2013 at 23:08:19
1. Martinez will do a good job and we should get behind him.

2. Game of Thrones was heavy tonight. Reminds me of what an Everton AGM would be like. If we had them of course.

Paul Dark
289 Posted 03/06/2013 at 23:10:48
Drew, 190: what would have happened if we hadn't appointed him and six (or three or twelve or forty-eight) months later Club B came in for him. RM having resigned, would they also be required to pay compensation?
Steve Bell
290 Posted 03/06/2013 at 22:17:21
Bjorn-Ivar Pederson. Are you Norwegian by any chance? Why don't you "transfer" your loyalty(?) to the Dark Side, 'cos you are not, never have been, nor will be a true supporter of Everton. Please don't ever come back. You disgust me.

Roberto, not my first choice but I will support him and wish him the best.

BK, what more can I add than what has already been said about you, a true artist of theatre and showmanship, make 'em laugh make 'em smile, make 'em cry, make 'em beg for more.

Paulo H', surely you something to say? Like "sorry but I'am a WUM and an idiot".

Brian Cleveland
291 Posted 03/06/2013 at 23:11:36
.... maybe there's hope yet after the websites response to Whelan mouthing off (as usual!)..... we might still have a chance of someone else.... nice guy, but not convinced....

.... and having agreed a compensation fee doesn't mean that he is the "chosen one", I would expect that all negotiations go on in parallel, better to pursue the multiple options at the same time so you know where you with respect to the financial aspects.

Am I clutching at straws?

Paul Dark
292 Posted 03/06/2013 at 23:13:14
Laco Hegyi: good post. Martinez's failure is not just statistic, it is actual, And we are paying to prise this man away from the mighty Wigan?

He's also an RS reject.

Chad Schofield
293 Posted 03/06/2013 at 23:16:06
First task:

Paul Ferry
294 Posted 03/06/2013 at 23:09:30
Silly season has started.

The more excited amongst us have been let loose.

Our world is now thankfully divided once more.

Al Philby (222) - Judging by the reactions of the naysayers, one would think that armageddon is nigh. Some have gone so far as to withdraw their support of the club. The hysteria has high entertainment value for sure, but I also think it is important to let the members of the disillusioned camp give vent to their frustrations.

What codswallop gibberish is this?

'Naysayers'? 'The disillusioned camp'?

Camps already.

Utter stupidity but hey Philby fella don't let that stop you carving out your camps and divisions. Enjoy it, apparently you are: 'high entertainment value', nice one.

Your exaggerated and distorted bollocks is on the low side of low.

Example.

'Some have gone so far as to withdraw their support of the club'.

Not some Philby but one. Some is plural; one is singular. And a pretty singular fella Bjorn seems to be.

So, keep your little petty camps and divisions to one side for a while, there's a good chap. In fact, it seems that things might still be a little bit up in the air. So suspend your holy rants and raves and Berlin walls until we actually know what will happen.

Viv Sharma
295 Posted 03/06/2013 at 23:10:54
Do people here think that DM would have kept Wigan up had the roles been reversed? I'm not trying to be antagonistic here, it's a genuine question.
(Personally I believe not, PLUS I doubt he would have netted a cup. Just my opinion.)

I think he will be an exciting appointment. I also think (assuming it's correct) that Martinez will need some time to reshape a very defensive unit into a more positive one and we need to be realistic in our expectations that it will not happen overnight. I think he'll need a stabilizing season in which hopefully he can achieve Europa and then set his sights higher.

At least we should see a few more goals this season...

Shane Corcoran
296 Posted 03/06/2013 at 23:15:58
I assumed the announcement was made because he hasn't fucking signed and Whelan has us all jumping around like fleas on a dog.

I reckon it'll still be RM though.

Steve Edwards
297 Posted 03/06/2013 at 22:44:35
Whoever we got it would be a lottery ticket. As for he got Wigan relegated. Well it wasn't as simple as that. Extreme bad luck with injuries, a small squad, having to sell his best players every season all had a lot to do with it. One thing about his teams were that they were always capable of getting a result on any ground in the country. You would never right them off, which is more than you could say about David Moyes Everton.

Usually when a team is relegated the manager is sacked but that was never going to be the case here. Whelan new what a good manager he had and new about the meagre resources available to that manager. So get off his back and support him. He is tailer made for a club in Evertons position. He has a excellent record in finding very good players for little money and that's something that is invaluable to a club like Everton. He has as good a chance as any manager of being a success here and I for one feel confident in his likely appointment.

Harold Matthews
298 Posted 03/06/2013 at 23:07:22
Welcome Roberto. Reach for the stars.

Bring Kone, McCarthy and the big goalkeeper. Don't want Macmanaman. Too small.

Beware of the MOB.

Al Philby
299 Posted 03/06/2013 at 23:06:19
"In response to regrettable and somewhat premature reports earlier this evening, Everton Football Club are continuing discussions with regards to the vacant managerial position."

"Whilst positive moves are being made, the Club will officially announce details as and only when they are agreed and completed."

This seems to be the normal manner of procedure as far as I can see. The club has been overwhelmed by the enquiries from the media and it is perfectly natural for them not to confirm the deal before it has been formalised. The "regrettable" rebuke is most likely aimed at Whelan. I am not bothered.

James Martin
300 Posted 03/06/2013 at 23:22:10
Viv - yes he would have definitely kept Wigan up - so many poor teams down at the bottom this season. Equally he wouldn't have won the cup. Moyes cancelled out the extremes of either end and you had to put your faith in long term progress. Martinez will probably give us far greater highs and lows and we'll have to see if he can keep the progress going.
Mike Green
301 Posted 03/06/2013 at 23:08:44
No worries Patrick #230 and thought 'really....? Chapman did surely?' Only confirmed by checking, your point still stands though - its not easily done.

I might be wrong but I think its finally done after all, the OS statement is just telling Whelan to sit down and shut up. What a prize twat that man is.

As for Roberto - the main reason he's got the job, assuming he has, is he can work on a budget. He can sell one player and bring in three - which means BK and the boys don't have to put a penny in or sell their shares on the cheap.

By all accounts Martinez is all about structuring the club from top to bottom, building a long term legacy etc etc which is great, because again I doubt BK has a clue about this, so another tick for RM.

I reckon Kenwright also knows many of us are bored to tears with style of football, very little excitement etc and is willing to RM a punt. I reckon Kenwright himself if bored shitless of it too and has thought 'fuck it, this lot are going to have me out soon I might as well get some kicks while I can".

Finally, he wasn't free but in the greater scheme of things (comp / wages / kitty) he was relatively cheap. Plus we don't have to relocate him and Im pretty sure he will 'support his Chairman' too.

Arise Roberto. If it is you you have my total support - providing you essentially do one thing, and one thing only:

'Go at 'em.'

IMWT.

Brian Cleveland
302 Posted 03/06/2013 at 23:21:44
Steve (247), he wasn't fired because Whelan already knew other clubs, including us, might be interested... why sack him and pay him compensation when he can wait for mugs like us to come along and pay HIM to take Martinez off his hands!
Mike Corcoran
303 Posted 03/06/2013 at 23:23:45
3 4 3 though with Coleman and Baines wing backs, gibson and felli in the middle and a front 3 of Mirallas, Pienaar and a striker if Jela doesn't recover. Just need Lescott and Rooney then .......whatever.....am just looking forward to a change....RB may work, may not that's life...
Daniel Starkey
304 Posted 03/06/2013 at 23:18:24
That Whelan is a mouthy git. As usual, we rightly wanted to say nothing until the deal was finalised. It's the only appointment we could have made really as there was no-one else in the frame unless we wanted another novice like Moyes was. Good luck to Roberto; it's his big chance to see if he can manage a big club and I think he can do it.
Nick Entwistle
305 Posted 03/06/2013 at 23:25:18
Jesus Fucking Christmas. Good luck to him, but Jesus fucking Christmas.

I'll give him 10 matches and them I'll be joining the MOBs or supporting Utd. Well done Bill... of course he 'listened to the fans' so can wash his hands of any blame... JESUS FUCKING CHRISTMAS!

Jamie Crowley
306 Posted 03/06/2013 at 23:24:23
Well said Mike Green. Ditto on all counts.
Jamie Barlow
307 Posted 03/06/2013 at 23:23:08
I wouldn't expect anything else from Whelan. Maybe he should have kept his mouth shut but he loves it doesn't he?

We have obviously agreed a fee for RM regarding compensation but for the deal to go ahead, we might need RM to agree to a few things. Leaving the ball in his court. We might have asked him to work with one of our back room defenders instead of him bringing his own number 2. It's probably what I would have wanted.
Stubbs, Neville or Weir?

Just a thought.

Jamie Barlow
308 Posted 03/06/2013 at 23:31:37
I do Viv. It might not have been pretty but I'm pretty sure he would have.
Colin Wainwright
309 Posted 03/06/2013 at 23:22:03
Who gives a flying fuck anymore? Listenin' to the Pixies/Stone Roses as i'm writing/reading this. Been a beautiful day. Fuck Bill. We'll be ok. We're Everton.
Sean McCarthy
310 Posted 03/06/2013 at 23:21:41
Tony Marsh - enlighten me please. What is a MIBs???

For your info, I was a fan of Moyes but had come to the realisation some time back that it was time for a change and in the interests of both parties. I was never a fully paid up member of either IMWT or MOB.

Martinez leaves me underwhelmed. I just don't get the media love-in with him. I don't buy the argument that he is the next big thing. Yeah, he won the FA Cup which Moyes failed to achieve. But then again so did Bobby Gould once and before him John Sillett – does that make them better that Moyes?? I would argue that it doesn't. I'll give Martinez time to succeed but just can't see it happening. He strikes me as someone suited to a small club like Wigan or Swansea as opposed to those with higher ambitions/expectations.

My choice was Phil Neville. I know it would've been a massive gamble but I just think he is someone who will make the switch from player to manager with ease and, despite what many on here say, he is a well respected professional who I think would've been a good appointment. I don't however believe for a second your spurious claim that he was "offered" the job as I firmly believe he was offered it he would take it in a heartbeat!!

Jamie Barlow
311 Posted 03/06/2013 at 23:33:29
Harold@248. Mcmanaman isn't small, he's 5'10". Not massive, but not small. Maloney is 5'7". Are you getting them mixed up?
Paul Ferry
312 Posted 03/06/2013 at 23:27:48
I'm sorry, old stuff and same old and same old, Brian (252) brought me back to what I think is one of the worst episodes in this drawn-out dogsbollocks.

How (1) was Moyes allowed to drift for so long on contract talks without someone will balls telling him to nail it down and (2) why is he still on our pay-roll when he spent today - we all know this - spending most of the day thinking about manure?

Sorry, old chestnuts I know, but Teary Billy has turned us into a laughing stock from which we will recover with no thanks to him.

And now this, what is in effect a delaying-tactic or denial (choose) that continues to make us look not just a manure poodle but a very poorly administered operation.

Martinez, whoever, I'll back you until the point you show that you no longer deserve it, but I'm so sorry mate that you will have to work hand-in-hand and day-in-and-day-out with an utter gobshite of a chairman.

Anthony Jones
314 Posted 03/06/2013 at 23:32:46
This guy is the perfect antidote to the drill sergeant approach of Moyes. If you are feeling underwhelmed just remember we could have ended up with Hughes, McLaren, Big Eck..... Instead we have a manager who plays attractive football, who is young and ambitious, and who won't spit his dummy out when he has to balance his budget. Considering Kenwright is still here, this is fantastic news.
Mike Corcoran
315 Posted 03/06/2013 at 23:36:32
Yeah Colin ..if he can get us playing like the pixies on them fast Spanish
tracks from surfer rosa who knows what'll happen.
Patrick Murphy
316 Posted 03/06/2013 at 23:28:05
Mike he must have been some bloke that Herbert Chapman he also won the league twice with Arsenal and Huddersfield as well. Everton spoiled his 3 in a row aspirations by winning the title in 1931-32. Four titles and 2 FA Cups in 10 years and Arsenal were on the way to the title when he died in January 1934.
Terry Rice
317 Posted 03/06/2013 at 23:35:23
Did you know, apparently Whelan broke his leg in a cup final - wow, he kept that quiet
Harold Matthews
319 Posted 03/06/2013 at 23:22:29
Bjorn-Ivar (132). Don't worry mate. Think of the excitement.

Always thought Scandanavians loved a thrill.

Colin Wainwright
320 Posted 03/06/2013 at 23:41:11
This monkey will go to heaven, mate.
Simon Leyden
321 Posted 03/06/2013 at 23:34:07
I think the appointment could be better but, then again, it could be a whole lot worse.

Let's face it, I think Martinez hit the ceiling with Latics just like Moyes did with us (no money in the pot).

I lived 35 years of my life in Wigan but a lifelong Evertonian and it is truly a Rugby town. The football support is absolutely shocking. How they have remained in the Premier League the last 3-4 years with such poor support is beyond me. I can only attribute this to Martinez.

So let's get behind him and show him what real football supporters are like. We are the ones who dictate what happens at our club. COYB!

Steve Bell
322 Posted 03/06/2013 at 22:17:21
Just been reading what Whelan said today, seems like he thinks Everton is but a staging post for Roberto M' before he goes to a "Very, very top club". That was of course after he said Everton is not a big enough for Roberto. Is this guy a complete and utter imbecile?

If he doesn't think EFC is good enough, then refuse to discuss compensation and refuse to accept RM's wish to leave. Hold him to his contract, but please don't look down your nose and try to humiliate and degrade EFC. If you are happy to accept the money, then keep your mouth shut.

Steve Edwards
323 Posted 03/06/2013 at 23:33:31
Brian (252) Your talking shite. He's got as good a chance as anybody at being a success. When Moyes left we bought a lottery ticket no matter who came in so if he's the one get behind him if your an Evertonian and give him a chance and stop being a pain in the ass.
Sid Logan
325 Posted 03/06/2013 at 22:35:59
Just got and had a quick run through the posts. Here's my twopenneth.

On the one hand Martinez is a progressive manager who applies himself totally to the job and brings the promise of more exciting football. On the other hand none of us can dismiss the concerns of those who have anxiety over his win ratio at Wigan which lead eventually to their relegation.

To try an put the relegation issue in some sort of perspective I would refer back to the post from Robert #080 which is actually a bit of an eye opener. Cleverer men than us have said that it's from our failures that we learn the most and that seems to be endorsed by Robert's post.

If that statement about learning from failures is true, and I' m sure many of us believe it is, then it will be a wiser and less naive Martinez who takes over at Everton.

I think it's also right to recognise that he arrived at Wigan at the worst possible time. JJB Sports has just gone down the pan and Martinez was told to trim the wage bill by 20%. I'm not convicted that many managers would have done that much better.

The bottom line is that none of can no for sure how any new manager will perform. But from what I have read above most will get behind him and for those who think we've entered in to some sort of doomsday scenario I suggest you sleep on it!

We may just be at the dawn of an exciting new era that will surprise and lift us all.
A Champions League place may well beckon for the those who play without fear and a defensive discipline !

Sin miendo!

Al Philby
326 Posted 03/06/2013 at 23:47:10
Steve Bell: you will find that Whelan is into the habit of speaking without thinking. His opinion is of no interest whatsoever.
Mike Green
327 Posted 03/06/2013 at 23:40:32
Yep Patrick - a real monster of a manager, one of the all time greats.

If Martinez can do half as well as Chapman, and stay with us, we'll do just fine, thank you very much. :)

Mike Green
328 Posted 03/06/2013 at 23:50:48
Colin #270 - we can get Roberto to translate Isla De Encanta for us if nothing else...

Come On Pilgrims.

Al Philby
330 Posted 03/06/2013 at 23:49:48
Paul Ferry: I have no time for attention-seekers like you. I hope for your own sake that you've currently had a drink too many; this would be your only excuse.
Mark Stone
331 Posted 03/06/2013 at 23:42:01
To those saying its ok as his defenders are better players, having 4 good defenders does not necessarily make a team good defensively. Obviously the better the players the better the team, but what is important tactically is how the whole team defend as a unit. Forwards and midfielders play an important role.

That being said I'm right behind Martinez (assuming he gets the nod) and look forward to some classy football at Goodison next year. IMWT

Paul Ferry
332 Posted 03/06/2013 at 23:55:00
Great summary Sid (275) and great hopes, pitch perfect
Steven Telford
333 Posted 03/06/2013 at 23:43:36
Could you imagine watching "the crying game" with Dave Whelan.

Maybe we should all chill a bit until a proper announcement is made.

Nick Wall
334 Posted 03/06/2013 at 23:36:17
Wouldn't have been my first choice, but then I don't claim to have more insight than directors who've spent weeks researching all the candidates and interviewing them in depth.

Guys, this is a an exciting day. Assuming contract terms are agreed, we have landed our first choice candidate for the man to take Everton forward for the next five years. And he's become our first choice not on the whim of some billionaire owner, but following a thorough and professional selection process which puts the likes of Stoke and Man City to shame. Kenwright has listened to Moyes, he's listened to the fans. Most importantly, he's judged the character of the candidates and listened to their ideas. And Martinez has been chosen with one thing in mind : to bring even greater success to Everton football club. Martinez is young, ambitious and full of ideas. I reckon there'll be more exciting days ahead.

Paul Ferry
335 Posted 03/06/2013 at 23:56:44
Good night Philby, you got called, you deserved it, your reactions are the all too predictable reactions of a predictable fool. Let's hope that you and your divisiveness fade into the ether. it's 6-00PM in Chicago so not drinking yet, but once more, you don't need to be drunk or get out of bed on the wrong side to appreciate the smarmy silliness of your smug little tadpole contribution.

Go to bed now, there's a good chap

Mike Green
336 Posted 03/06/2013 at 23:58:34
See Martinez isn't even appointed manager yet and memories of Pixies live in 89 are coming out of the woodwork.

Somethings afoot I tell you.

Hello Mark Stone by the way, great to see you on the board! :)

I'm off now folks, hopefully a bright new dawn awaits....?

COYB.

Clive Lewis
337 Posted 04/06/2013 at 00:02:16
Let's give him a chance, he is good going forward and good passing. Let's just say it won't be dire. I think Man Utd have got the shit end of the stick!
Harold Matthews
338 Posted 03/06/2013 at 23:54:08
James. Thanks for pointing that out. It could be his crouching style or the gigantic defenders he has to face, but I've always thought he was much smaller than he actually is.
Richard Dodd
339 Posted 04/06/2013 at 00:01:18
I'm pretty certain the apparent impasse is about the schedule of payments for the compensation. Whelan wants money up front whilst BK, as always, insists on stage payments... At least that was the word coming out of the DW at tea-time.

Should be cleared up by noon tomorrow and we can then get on with our lives!
Paul Ferry
340 Posted 04/06/2013 at 00:17:55
And we can then get on with our lives! (290)

That would be nice, Doddy!

Al Philby
341 Posted 04/06/2013 at 00:03:35
Paul Ferry: if it is not alcohol that is impairing your ability to think analytically, then one should really pity you. Contrary to being divisive, I suggested that it would legitimate for those who are opposed to the appointment of Martinez to give vent to their frustration; to get it over with so as to avoid further division. And unlike you I did not gang up with others to taunt the guy who talked about withdrawing his support for the club. Please be so kind and get off my back; even animals can take a hint.
Colin Glassar
342 Posted 04/06/2013 at 00:18:29
Went out for a pint, or two, now everything is up in the air again. Is Martinez our manager or not? Short answers please.
Robert Collins
343 Posted 04/06/2013 at 00:20:58
He hasn't signed yet, apparently there's still negotiations to be had.

If you ask me BK should have already had done these negotiations with RM and had the contract ready and then finalized the compo with Whelan.

Our exalted leader is a fucking moron.

Nick Armitage
344 Posted 04/06/2013 at 00:24:53
Imagine the cheers when Martinez doesn't bring all ten outfield players for a corner when we are 3-0 down at home.
Ian Smitham
345 Posted 04/06/2013 at 00:25:55
I have just seen on Sky news that Everton have said that Whelans comments that an agreement has been made are regrettable and premature.

Ian 00.27

Robert Collins
346 Posted 04/06/2013 at 00:27:23
Even bigger cheer when he brings all his forwards on when we're winning 1-0 instead of all his defenders.
Al Philby
348 Posted 04/06/2013 at 00:26:40
Robert Collins: the statement was clearly written in a hurry. It even contains an idiomatic error. It should be "with regard to" and not "with regards to." Everything will be finalised very soon.
Robert Collins
349 Posted 04/06/2013 at 00:29:45
As I said BK should have had RMs contract ready to sign before he went to Whelan to settle the compo.

The badge and now this, we, him and our club have become a laughing stock because of his clueless behaviour.

Ian Smitham
350 Posted 04/06/2013 at 00:25:55
My comments above are on the OS
Robert Collins
351 Posted 04/06/2013 at 00:34:12
If they're rushing silly statements out, it makes it even worse.

I'm now worried by the tone of that statement that they think the deal might not go through?

Robert Collins
355 Posted 04/06/2013 at 00:37:58
Pixies, 12 white towels and a case of Red Stripe?

I thought we talking about the impending failure of the Martinez deal at the hand of useless Billy. Having said that though I'll have a pint of whatever you two are having and join the party!

Robert Collins
356 Posted 04/06/2013 at 00:41:09
Lyndon,

Why didn't BK have all this ironed out and the RM contract ready before approaching Whelan for what should be a formality.

BK has interviewed RM twice and had plenty of time?

Robert Collins
357 Posted 04/06/2013 at 00:43:48
I could swear I just seen a comment by Lyndon Lloyd just a minute ago?
Richard Harris
358 Posted 04/06/2013 at 00:38:23
Mike - glad that you had a sensible rider and hopefully concentrated on the music rather than the rock star 'demands' of the Muses :0) Tho, sometimes when a band gets some status they add spurious items to the rider just to see what they can get away with....
What was your band called ? At that time I was at loads of gigs and saw the majority of the support bands on the bill so would probably have caught your set.
Al Philby
359 Posted 04/06/2013 at 00:34:27
Robert Collins: I would not blame Bill for this mishap. Whelan started singing too early and our public relations department should have been prepared for a leak. Some of the ladies enlisted as PR-officers are not among the brightest out there.
Stephen Sulliven
360 Posted 04/06/2013 at 00:46:06
Good old Brian Labone, didn't have a bad Labjorn in his body.
Robert Collins
361 Posted 04/06/2013 at 00:46:57
Al,

As I said in an above comment, the paperwork for RM should have been sorted out for RM to sign and thus going to Whelan and agreeing compo would have been the signal for RM to sign.

BK has had 2 meetings with RM and plenty of time to sort this out?

Chris Jones [Burton]
363 Posted 04/06/2013 at 01:04:25
Interesting paragraph in The Guardian's piece on the compo package (if required) being agreed between EFC and WIgan...

"Martínez has spent four years in the top flight with Wigan, finishing 16th, 16th, 15th and finally 18th last season while overhauling the club's financial position from being dependent on Whelan to making a profit last term. He has won 38 of 152 games in the top flight, a win ratio of 25%."

Maybe those of us concerned about Martinez taking Wigan down hadn't considered these facts. Had he not had to slash the wage bill by a quarter and turn the club into profit, he might have had a better chance. Let's hope if he does come here he gets to work under more favourable circumstances - i.e. please don't let it be the case that BK is bringing him to Goodison to oversee some sort of austerity plan!

Dave Lawley
364 Posted 04/06/2013 at 00:50:23
Bobby Martinez in the house, he's got my support, come on son!!
Jackie Barry
365 Posted 04/06/2013 at 01:08:57
How embarrassing, our club is the faulty towers of the EPL. Bill is probably making demands on Martinez telling him that he has to appoint an internal number 2.
Roman Sidey
366 Posted 04/06/2013 at 00:51:48
Roger Helm @125, my understand of situations like this is that the player/manager in question asks to leave while still contracted. They then are told to pay out a severance fee for their contract. The player/manager then acts as a middle man between his old club and potential new club. The new club ends up paying the old club the fee/compensation as a bargain with the player/manager. It usually ends up just being a negotiation between the clubs, but it is always essentially two seperate transactions between the player/manager and the two clubs.
Harold Matthews
367 Posted 04/06/2013 at 01:18:56
Looks like Whelan has deliberately ruined BK's unveiling show. A low trick indeed.
David Cornmell
368 Posted 04/06/2013 at 01:38:05
A strange turn this. I still think the new gaffer will be Blue Bobbie, but perhaps Dave Whelan would do well to remember that old adage...

"Nobody will know you're a fool until you open your mouth."

Brian Cleveland
369 Posted 04/06/2013 at 01:32:42
Steve (273). I gave a plausible reason why he was not sacked and rather than reply to the argument you responded with "Your talking shite" (which incidentally should be you're and not your which is a possessive and not short for you are).

At no point did I say I would not get behind him, and why am I the pain in the ass when so many others have said they don't believe he is the right appointment?

I was also one of the people who thought Coleman couldn't defend and I am delighted to have been proved wrong. If Martinez comes, I will support him wholeheartedly, stand up and cheer him and wish him luck, it is the club I support. My preference at this moment is not Martinez and I can express this as much as I want, as you can express that you want him. There is nothing disrespectful in my attitude towards him or you. My reasons for disputing what you said about him not being sacked hold true.... and until you have proof, you can't say I'm talking shite.... and I will not say you are talking shite either....just that I disagree with you....

Hugs and kisses

Paulo Hogerio
370 Posted 04/06/2013 at 01:35:04
It looks like ToffeeWeb has suddenly changed to Wigan web. We want that player, their player... no we don't! This is a true blue site meaning Everton fans only, so come on – let's start thinking like Everton fans. Let's just get over Moyes and get on with what's happened or not happened as no manager has been named yet.

I honestly believe we need radical change throughout our beloved Everton from top to bottom. Moyes stabilised us but he in the end never moved us to where we as true Evertonians know we belong: at the top. This is no dream, this is the reality of being an Evertonian.
Paulo Hogerio
372 Posted 04/06/2013 at 02:18:38
ToffeeWeb to me seems to be the only Evertonian forum site that matters. ONLY TRUE EVERTONIANS. Honestly do we want a man who has only just been relegated? NO!

My only wish for Martinez was that he had gone to that other team across the park. Please, the fans who are pro Martinez listen to yourselves do we really want him in charge next season and beyond?

We have a totally unique football team here like nowhere in the UK and possibly the world we are ELITE.
Davie Turner
374 Posted 04/06/2013 at 03:19:20
Still hope the name out of the hat isn't Martinez. But if he is to be the new boss then I hope he can prove my doubts wrong. If he gets the job he gets my support as he definitely deserves a shot.

No idea what I would hope for next season though, I mean would 10th be an achievement? I have seen 7th as par for us but is that a bit hard a target? Hardly a summer of possibilities.

As for Wigan players, McCarthy and Mcmanaman would be interesting, not too fussed about Kone. Anyway, will wait and see, may end up being Mick McCarthy at this rate.

Roman Sidey
375 Posted 04/06/2013 at 03:28:17
I haven't been overly vocal about RM as I have only ever seen Wigan play against us. I can't say I've ever watched them at any other stage in my life. Really, I'm excited that we may have a new manager which means things could change for the better. The only problem I have, and it's nothing to do with RM, is that, knowing how the board work, if it came down to RM and VP, they were always going to choose the cheaper option. It's what they do.
Harold Matthews
376 Posted 04/06/2013 at 04:24:45
Yes Roman. BK and his mates love a bargain. Martinez probably fits the bill but the Whelan disclosure will have delayed the big announcement.

The whole thing is exciting but also quite scary. Let's hope the new boss is a winner.

Jackie Barry
377 Posted 04/06/2013 at 05:09:50
Is RM really the cheaper option though with us having to pay compensation to Wigan and English League managers paid quite well compared to other European leagues? I may be wrong but is VP on great money at Porto?
Tony Draper
379 Posted 04/06/2013 at 05:22:09
Sir John Moores never discussed or revealed his intentions beyond the walls of GOODISON PARK
Harry Catterick never discussed or revealed his intentions beyond the walls of GOODISON PARK
Howard Kendall never discussed or revealed his intentions beyond the walls of GOODISON PARK
Joe Royle never discussed or revealed his intentions beyond the walls of GOODISON PARK

Now My fellow EVERTONIANS
Just wait and see

Phil Sammon
381 Posted 04/06/2013 at 06:18:16
I can't believe there's some people blaming Everton and BK for this 'farce'.

Whelan is a fucking clown who makes Kenwright look professional. The man just cannot keep his gob shut.

Tony Marsh
382 Posted 04/06/2013 at 06:41:59
I went to bed last night and all was well; woke up this morning and watched the news. It's not happening again is it? What the fuck is going on? Why can we never conduct any sort of business without ending up in an episode of Coronation Street. Absolute joke whatever is going on. IF it is to be Roberto then get him down to Goodison this morning and put this bollocks to bed.

I am not blaming anyone here just yet but I knew I should've kept my grid shut until RM was on the back of the Echo with his scarf... It's not another Leroy Fer moment is it?

Zack Yusof
383 Posted 04/06/2013 at 06:59:28
Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't McManaman one of our youth players before he got released (why?!!) and snapped by Wigan?

Well, if Martinez can work the same magic on the likes of Duffy, Velios and Barkley he did on McManaman, we're all going to be in for a treat.

Looking forward to some joined up attacking football either way..

Zack Yusof
384 Posted 04/06/2013 at 07:05:02
meant to write " AS he did on McManaman.."
Mike Green
385 Posted 04/06/2013 at 07:11:46
(Richard #309 - we were called 'The Nightjars' - and if you ever did see us I apologise in advance :D)

Big day today. Looks like TW is going to as divided as ever, hopefully RM can get some wins under his belt and bring us together!

Paul Andrews
386 Posted 04/06/2013 at 07:15:43
To all the doom and gloom gang.
He is here now,Moyes has gone.Get on with it.
We have got a manager who is not scared to attack in numbers,not scared to take a chance on a defeat trying to get a win,and definitely won't be making comments about taking knives into gunfights.
I am looking forward to some bright attacking football at Goodison,after watching boring,dull, unimaginative football for the majority of the last 11 years.
Karl Masters
387 Posted 04/06/2013 at 07:15:19
Breaking news: new favourite for the job is Antonio Pulissima. Has guided his last Club to promotion, a successful campaign in Europe and financial stability. Now available for nothing after leaving unexpectedly. Bill apparently sees him as perfect for us.....
Susong Hermawan
388 Posted 04/06/2013 at 07:24:10
Im right behind you #019.
Shane Corcoran
389 Posted 04/06/2013 at 07:37:59
Phil Sammon, bang on as usual.

Mike Green
390 Posted 04/06/2013 at 07:40:14
Paul #346 - I'm with you all the way.

The real kicker is if Martinez can get some traction, get the internationals available to him now playing with some panache and winning then GP will do the rest.

Wigans average attendance was 19k last season, ours was almost double at 36k. It can work both ways but if we can get behind the team we could really put a spark back into the club.

Jimmy Sørheim
391 Posted 04/06/2013 at 08:00:53
It is bad news for our league position, but good news for our squad development and our youngsters. Even when Wigan had N'Zogbia, Tom Cleverly and all the other decent players, he never got them high enough on the table.

The big difference between him and Moyes is that he takes chances a lot more than Moyes. That is why we will find it hard to adapt to Martinez. He simply cannot deliver stable results, and in the end that is the difference between them.

I have no doubt that he will drown the fear of the top 4 stadiums and perform much better there then Moyes did. After all, that is the area we need improving. Also, we need to kill off teams that are weaker than us by scoring more than one goal. The draws we had this season must be among the highest I have ever seen, and that is also an area Martinez can improve.

I think he needs at least one season to get the squad he wants, including some of our youngsters. I hope Barkley, Vellios and McAleny get lots of chances to play for the first team, they all have decent potential and Martinez can make them blossom further.

Steve Pugh
392 Posted 04/06/2013 at 07:39:51
For those people who welcome him with open arms, I hope that he brings you many years of happiness.

For those feeling trepidation but still prepared to offer him all of your support good on ya and the happiness thing to you too.

For those of you that have already given up on the club and decided that we are definitely getting relegated, either get a little bit of light in your life or just slit your wrists. It must be horrible being so negative all of the time.

David Ellis
393 Posted 04/06/2013 at 08:20:07
There is no deal with Martinez yet. All this is premature. Clearly he is in the running but if the deal was done it would have been announced. Agreeing a fee with Wigan is a pre-requisite for finalising the deal with Martinez. But this does not mean that he will be offered the job (or indeed that if offrred it he will accept it).

More patience required. And I am fine with that. I do not think Everton have handled this badly at all (at least not yet). Whelan on the other hand.......

Can't believe a comment on another thread that Stoke have handled their manager appointment well. I find their approach (and final appointment) completely astonishing. We are at least interviewing quality (and in work) candidates and not rushing it.

Paul Dark
394 Posted 04/06/2013 at 08:32:41
Whelan is desperate to offload Martinez - despite what he says. As Phil says, he's a quite dreadful man, dreadful. Wigan is a horrible club.
John Jones
395 Posted 04/06/2013 at 08:39:14
Welcome to the relegation Scrap!!!

We don't if it a done deal yet kenwright could be covering all bases (I Hope)

Whelan is like the grandad that you stick in a home because he has lost his marbles...and keeps putting the cat in the frigde

If Martinez comes I will not be happy but I will back him. However if he starts bringing players from wigan he can fuck right off. they were not good enough at wigan so they will not be good enough at everton.

Mark Dunford
396 Posted 04/06/2013 at 08:47:46
Agree completely with David Ellis (360). Everton have handled this very well from the start to the point we're now at. There was never any need to rush the process but - saying this - we need to make an appointment with the next week or so. Sensible consideration of different candidtaes means it looks like this will happen. This is in contrast to other clubs in premiership - not only Stoke and Wigan, but others from Chelski, and Man City down to Reading
Paul Mackie
397 Posted 04/06/2013 at 08:57:40
Will be gutted if we end up with Martinez. I'll give him a couple of seasons to sort himself out but if after that we're not challenging for CL spots then I'll class his appointment as a failure.

The brief for this appointment isn't "Premier League survival" like it was when Moyes was appointed all those years ago. We need to be aiming higher.

Tony J Williams
398 Posted 04/06/2013 at 09:06:04
That's a bit harsh isn't it Paul. Even Moyes wasn't consistently challenging for the Champion's League spots, why should we expect it from Martinez?

Or are you suggesting Moyes underachieved?

Ged Simpson
399 Posted 04/06/2013 at 09:01:53
To those who reluctantly say they will back him. Oh thank you from the rest of us. That is just so so gracious of you.
Sam Morrison
400 Posted 04/06/2013 at 09:10:29
No problem Ged
Drew Shortis
401 Posted 04/06/2013 at 08:58:41
I think its crystal clear what is going on. Kenwright has wanted Martinez from the word go, but he has done the right thing and looked at all the options available and interviewed the best ones. Having made up his mind that Martinez is the best candidate he has spent the last week negotiating with that loud-mouth Whelan, trying toi get a sensible fee agreed.

This is where the trouble arises. Instead of letting things progress onto contract discussions with Martinez, Whelan has mouthed off and the press has jumped the gun. I expect Bill will be negotiating a deal over the next few days and then the club will make an official announcement. We have seen this many times over the years with our transfers. One notable exception was the Leroy Fer fiasco, and I think Kenwright is, sensibly, keeping tight lipped until it is all signed.

In my opinion this is the professional way to conduct your business and we will just have to remain patient. The outcome will be the same, Roberto Martinez will be the new Everton manager.

Ernie Baywood
402 Posted 04/06/2013 at 09:12:34
I don't think so, Tony. What should the brief be for a manager taking over the team in 6th.

I would have thought that we make progress is the minimum expectation. Any progress and we compete for the CL.

Robin Hunuki
403 Posted 04/06/2013 at 09:12:49
Standard form for ol' BK.. builds the hype, get the buzz going and then delivers us what we've known for well over 2 weeks.

Get it over and done with mate and lets move on. We've got more important items to focus our attention to i.e. next seasons prep! Leggo BK!

James Lauwervine
404 Posted 04/06/2013 at 09:09:12
Welcome Bobby M! Okay so you weren't my choice, but I am 100% behind you my man.
Robin Hunuki
405 Posted 04/06/2013 at 09:15:48
Sorry last post was done on the old iPhone, punctuation and spelling is slightly off.. promise I have not hit the drink pre Aust v Japan game :)
Patrick Murphy
406 Posted 04/06/2013 at 08:57:05
which of the current PL managers would those who are against RM prefer to see at Goodison? Obviously the likes of Jose RVB and Wenger are out of our financial reach, so that's the list down to 15. Hughes, Allardyce, Di Canio and Pardew are not on the whole people who many Evertonians would like in charge, that leaves Rogers, Lambert, Laudrup and Clarke as possible targets. One wouldn't be approached for obvious reasons and one is unattainable due to his buy-out clause. The other two Lambert and Clarke may have fitted our ideas of a good Manager for the Blues but again it is unlikely they would leave their present clubs and compo would likely be higher than the £2m Wigan want. Hughton, Bruce, Mackay and Holloway have little or no experience of the PL or are not significantly better than RM. I've discounted the Southampton manager because he seems to have a special relationship with his owner and probably wouldn't leave.

So it follows our choices are limited and beggars can't be choosers, it would have been great if we could have produced a rabbit out of the hat with an exotic name from Europe but again our financial constraints limit us to those who are available and if they did venture to the PL, they would be only here in order to enhance their own CV and would probably jump ship as soon as a better job came along.

So Although RM is far from perfect he is on reflection the best we could hope for, he is the right age, he is a student of the game and he appears to be the right type of person to manage Everton FC. Let's hope if he signs that he has a long and rewarding career with our club.

Paul Foster
407 Posted 04/06/2013 at 09:18:16
Not sure that's fair, Robin. He did what every good chairman should do and interviewed the candidates discreetly but thoroughly to understand who was the best man for the job. I'd have been much more concerned if he'd appointed somebody without interviewing several candidates and taking the time to consult experts in the game.

As it happens, I don't think he HAS chosen the right man - but he has at least chosen the right man in his mind (and the minds of many Evertonians, it seems). I've expressed my concerns on here before: his league record at Wigan is appalling and his inability to address defensive weakness in 4 years is shocking, even given the financial constraints. The regular spankings his side has received in the league betray huge tactical naivety and for a man who has managed for so many years, this is startling and worrying.

That said, he now has my full support. I of course hope he proves me wrong.

James Marshall
408 Posted 04/06/2013 at 09:23:58
So last night we hear this 'news' from Whelan, then the OS puts up the "premature & regrettable" news, and this morning the OS is offline altogether...

Only at Everton!

Hilarious :-)

Shane Corcoran
409 Posted 04/06/2013 at 09:34:32
OS is purring like a kitten James. But nothing added.
James Marshall
410 Posted 04/06/2013 at 09:38:14
Shane - I get this:

Error 503 Service Unavailable

Service Unavailable

Guru Meditation:

XID: 1910126103

Varnish cache server

Anthony Flack
411 Posted 04/06/2013 at 09:37:40
360 Dave Ellis is spot on. Criticism of BK in this respect is daft and those that do, have questionable objectivity.
Richard Dodd
412 Posted 04/06/2013 at 09:34:24
What a joke the club has become! They find it impossible `to manage` news and play games around any transfer whether it be of players or managers.
How did BK expect Daffy Dave would accept ten bob a week for the compo?
Still expect him to fail the maedical !!!
Phil Sammon
413 Posted 04/06/2013 at 09:43:49
James

Sounds like you just need to varnish your cache server mate. Ronseal will do the job.

James Marshall
414 Posted 04/06/2013 at 10:02:05
Does exactly what it says on the tin?

My cache server is fine, it's Everton's that's gone all iffy!

Tony J Williams
415 Posted 04/06/2013 at 10:04:38
"Guru Meditation" - So that's how they are choosing the manager - Love it!
Darren Alexander
417 Posted 04/06/2013 at 10:24:02
It's Jenny S who'll be announced any day now. Talks with Wigan stalled after BK wished Whelan all the best via the theatrical term "break a leg".
James Marshall
418 Posted 04/06/2013 at 10:28:06
You couldn't make this up.

I love how Everton stumble around and fuck things up when it comes to transfers & so on. We really are entertaining.

I can just see BK sat there cross legged, chanting for his new manager to show himself....

David Chait
419 Posted 04/06/2013 at 10:37:37
It couldnt just be the UK's sparkly clean and friendly press blowing things our of proportion or context.. making up stories to sell and completely jumping the gun... nope.. that has never happened before...
James Marshall
420 Posted 04/06/2013 at 10:44:44
Who knows, but it wouldn't have been too difficult to say to Dave Whelan, "OK Dave, we have a deal right? But we won't announce anything until it's all sorted, OK?"

Surely that conversation must have taken place....

Paulo Hogerio
421 Posted 04/06/2013 at 09:50:09
It's Bielsa — I just heard it on local radio here in Bilbao on Nirvion local radio and Tropical local radio. His contract finished last Friday with Los Leones (Bilbao), he has spoken to Kenwright already and a deal is imminent.
James Marshall
423 Posted 04/06/2013 at 10:50:19
If Marcelo Bielsa takes over at Everton, I'll eat Goodison Park.

Never. Gonna. Happen.

James Marshall
427 Posted 04/06/2013 at 11:02:44
Actually, the reality of being an Evertonian is a life of hope & abject misery, strung together by the briefest moments of joy.
Robert Collins
428 Posted 04/06/2013 at 11:06:54
BK should already have done these negotiations with RM and had the contract ready to be signed by RM. He's had two meetings with RM last week and the whole weekend to get this contract ready, which is independent of the compo deal with Whelan.

When the compo deal was finalized with Whelan last night, BK could have instantly turned to RM and said: "Sign here Bobby and then you're one of us".

Panto Billy, his badge and now this, I can't imagine what's next? The deal falls through and we end up with a Pulis/Big Dunc dream team?

Shane Corcoran
430 Posted 04/06/2013 at 11:08:47
Robert, he may only have made his mind up at the weekend.

He may have a budget to get the manager which is eaten into in RM's case with the compensation.
A collective chill pill is needed.

Paulo Hogerio
431 Posted 04/06/2013 at 11:03:53
No Ged (405) I hear this on local radio and Tropical is mostly correct. I have seen pic of Kenwright here with an unknown person and, when he left the hotel, Bielsa left 20 minutes later. Kendall came to the last game here at Las Mames; I now know Kenwright didn't, so sorry about that story but it was what I was told. Hopefully Tropical is correct and Bielsa will be the new coach.
Paul Dark
433 Posted 04/06/2013 at 11:21:26
I don't think Kenwright had any intention of appointing anyone other than RM from the word go.

He hasn't got a clue. All his criteria for finding the right manager are connected with lovey-dovey cuddliness rather than doing what's best for the club. He shouldn't be allowed anywhere near being in charge of this appointment.

Kenwright and Martinez deserve each other.

Harold Matthews
434 Posted 04/06/2013 at 11:00:54
Paulo. Glad you made it through the night.
Robert Collins
435 Posted 04/06/2013 at 11:30:13
Shane Corcoran @ 412,

If we are struggling to raise £1.5m for the compo, then the game is up, we can't buy players?

He's had 4 years to watch his progress and I believe knew what he wanted all along, but was playing the field.

Even if he genuinely wasn't sure of his choice, he still could have drawn up a contract and asked RM, "Will this be OK in the event we do choose you?" RM may alter what he wants and they come to an agreement. BK tells him, "You haven't got the job yet but this contract is in place and we'll let you know soon."

I won't need the chill pill mate, I'm perfectly calm and collected and as you've just seen capable of thinking things through, even if it is in retrospect.

Big and successful companies try to anticipate all they can; BK closes his eyes and hopes for the best.

Shane Corcoran
436 Posted 04/06/2013 at 11:29:34
Bielsa isn't in the betting of any of the bookies.
BK is one smooth operator.
Still, good that Paulo brings a bit of humour to the place.
Harold Matthews
437 Posted 04/06/2013 at 11:26:25
Robin. You lucky man. I'm obsessed with Japanese movies and watch two or three every week even though I have no Idea what the characters are talking about. As for those beautiful ladies. Wow,wow,wow.
Shane Corcoran
438 Posted 04/06/2013 at 11:34:52
Robert # 418, my point is that within the overall budget of the club BK may have a budget for the manager, i.e. what he's willing to pay out. If the compensation is unknown then he would need to await that figure before he could offer a contract.

The chill pill comment wasn't aimed at you, more in general and I never said you can't think things through.

I'm no BK admirer but I think in this case he's done fuck all wrong but a certain selection of TW readers/contributors take what's in the media or their anti-BK minds and decide that things are being done wrong.

Mike Rourke
439 Posted 04/06/2013 at 11:33:05
I've decided it's not that bad an appointment after all and I'm certainly very pleased it's all over.

Not who I would have gone with but I shall give RM a clean slate and from here on in only extenuate the positives.

He's not a Brit, which is excellent.

He's not Mark Hughes, which is fucking fantastic.

He is young, hungry, intelligent, dedicated to attacking football and is a bit of a media darling. I can't wait to see what he does with a quality squad and a few extra quid to play with.

IMWT

Steve Brown
440 Posted 04/06/2013 at 11:38:31
So that is what taking your team to relegation gets you these days? The price of failure is apparently a new job with a top 6 club. Almost incomprehensible if it wasn't for the fact that BK has made the decision.

James Marshall
441 Posted 04/06/2013 at 11:49:10
Only in football management and politics will failure get you another top job.

To the people saying they're glad it's over....errr.... as far as I can tell, it isn't over yet.

It may well be that BK agreed the compensation with Whelan, but that's not the same thing as agreeing a deal for Martinez.

Could it not be simply that the compensation deal was agreed in principal, as per Dave Whelan's comments, which the media then reported as being a done deal, but in fact it was merely a principal agreement that 'could' lead to a job offer?

Perhaps BK was simply ironing out the compensation deal, in case he wanted to offer Martinez the job.

Not the same thing as actually offering him the job, but getting the compensation claim sorted out, in case they went ahead and offered it - this might have been put in place as a backup because someone else was going to be offered the job, hence the backtrack on the OS?

Nobody has at any stage said Martinez has been offered the job - only that compensation has been agreed with Whelan.

Two very different things, to my mind.

Ged Simpson
442 Posted 04/06/2013 at 11:59:59
Paul Dark (416) - just how the hell do you know that ?
Paul Mackie
443 Posted 04/06/2013 at 12:02:37
Tony @ 365

It may seem harsh but surely you want a new manager to better the performance of the old manager? Otherwise what's the point? He'll have the benefit of the doubt from me (for all it matters!) for a couple of seasons but after that if he's not an improvement then why was he chosen? My opinion would be no different regardless of who the new appointment is.

Ged Simpson
444 Posted 04/06/2013 at 12:06:43
"My opinion would be no different regardless of who the new appointment is"

Well that's that then !

Andrew Ellams
445 Posted 04/06/2013 at 12:11:17
James, don't bet on it. I have seen more than one CEO fuck up in my time, get the boot and land another role very soon after.

It's only us poor underlings that suffer the shit

Craig McManus
446 Posted 04/06/2013 at 12:21:34
I can hear the red shite gob shites now "Thin Spanish waiter, you're just a thin..........
Paulo Hogerio
447 Posted 04/06/2013 at 12:21:25
ToffeeWeb to me seems to be the only Evertonian forum site that matters. ONLY TRUE EVERTONIANS. Honestly do we want a man who has only just been relegated? NO!

My only wish for Martinez was that he had gone to that other team across the park. Please, the fans who are pro Martinez listen to yourselves do we really want him in charge next season and beyond?

We have a totally unique football team here like nowhere in the UK and possibly the world we are ELITE.

Andrew Ellams
448 Posted 04/06/2013 at 12:34:14
We all love our club Paolo, but even the most ardent supporter would struggle with elite.
Amit Vithlani
449 Posted 04/06/2013 at 12:37:04
Do new managers have to take medicals? Knowing BK don't get too excited until he is metaphorically donning the shirt / holding the scarf.
Gerard Carey
452 Posted 04/06/2013 at 12:43:24
Bobby Martin eh?!,sounds like a 1960's singer, Dean's brother!!. All the best Roberto, heres hoping for great things
James Marshall
453 Posted 04/06/2013 at 12:59:01
Roberto Martinez is the Wigan manager.
John Jones
455 Posted 04/06/2013 at 12:48:49
Is there any self help books I can buy to getting me ready for watching suicidal footbal?
Gavin Ramejkis
458 Posted 04/06/2013 at 13:02:38
Frank, deary deary me touched an old raw nerve there didn't I, how dare I call that fucking two salary drawing ginger bastard Gollum? Try reading the posts too Frank, maybe flick on the old bifocals, I voted Pereira, said it a fair few times in various threads. It's an open forum, an I've as just as much an anti Moyes and Kenshite axis axe to grind as your alter worship. back in your box, matron has your porridge and a few non scary episodes of Terry and June for you to watch.
Brendan McLaughlin
460 Posted 04/06/2013 at 13:14:17
John #459
"Up for the Cup"....?
James Marshall
461 Posted 04/06/2013 at 13:19:25
You boys and your bromance - can't you all just learn to disagree without resorting to online taunting? It's rather embarrassing to watch.

Now Gavin, say sorry to Frank, Frank say sorry to Gavin and we can all learn to get along.

Mr Moyes isn't with us any more, so let's move along and start hating the new bloke.

Whoever he is.

Group hug?

Kevin Tully
462 Posted 04/06/2013 at 13:26:35
Kevin Campbell on Talksport: "Martinez will be a massive breath of fresh air through the whole club, they will play more offensively, and the players will only improve under Martinez."

Not exactly touting us for relegation, is he?

Drew Shortis
463 Posted 04/06/2013 at 13:29:11
More comments from Whelan, Everton's new pres officer: "Roberto will be Everton manager in the next couple of days and that means we can start to interview for the position of manager of Wigan Athletic."

And regarding RM signing Wigan players: "There is no agreement. It is unfair and I don't believe in anything like that," Whelan told Press Association Sport. "If Everton want to sign any of our players, for the right amount of money, we will consider it."

Very nice of him!

Patrick Murphy
464 Posted 04/06/2013 at 13:33:19
So going on what Whelan says according to SSN, that the compensation package is 'done and dusted' the sticking point must be between BK and RM or maybe the City situation is causing a delay?

I don't see how it will take another 48hrs if both parties are in agreement, but hey this is Everton and nothing is certain. The only other situation I can see causing a delay is that BK will announce his tenure at the club is at an end and he is putting someone else in charge - fat chance of that one happening.


James Marshall
465 Posted 04/06/2013 at 13:38:05
Maybe they're haggling over the biscuits and the canteen menu?

Perhaps BK wants HobNobs and Roberto wants Paella but they simply cannot agree or compromise?

Just because Whelan has opened his giant gob, doesn't mean the deal is anywhere near done.

Andrew Ellams
466 Posted 04/06/2013 at 13:40:02
The clubs have reached an agreement. Nobody ever said Everton and Martinez have reached an agreement. There will be all sorts of false promises for Bill to make before contracts are finalised.
Rupert Sullivan
467 Posted 04/06/2013 at 13:45:56
Just exactly what is it that makes the Everton FC Press office quite so unutterably rubbish? Why is it that nearly everything they do puts the club in a bad light? Why do they even pass comment when there is clearly no need so to do?

Why release a statement denying that Martinez has been selected? Why? If he isn't yet, then don't say anything at all - why deny it and risk the type of comment in today's Guardian stating that '[the article]...prompted a pointed and unusual response from Everton, who insisted the deal was not yet done."

Just how completely stupid will EFC look now if Martinez is chosen as the new manager? What did EFC hope to achieve with this?

Altogether, YET ANOTHER own goal for the Board and its minions.

Richard Dodd
470 Posted 04/06/2013 at 13:47:19
View at Wigan end is that it was agreed that announcement would be made this morning – Press conference, etc – but DW blew the gaff and with Mourinho dominating SSN, advice was to hold over until tomorrow.

As you say, Rupert, what a balls up!

Kevin O'Regan
477 Posted 04/06/2013 at 14:06:53
FFS lads relax and chill out. It hasn't been en eternity since DM left, season is over, xfter window closed, players on holiers etc.. What is everyone up in knickers about ? The OS is down so EFC is crap ? Same ol same ol ? Give them a break. You'll know when it's official and done and not when some insider like Whelan or Doddy or Marsh or anyone else cleaning the floors gets wind or knows all about it.
Have a kit kat. Or sleep. Or get a life. Or do you think that other clubs do a better job on these things than EFC ? No, they don't. We just listen to and for EFC News more than any other source of Info. or news or scandals or gossip.
So stop clicking refresh on the news pages every 5 mins. and let them sort it out.
Vultures.
Paul Andrews
478 Posted 04/06/2013 at 14:41:11
Kevin Campbell on Talksport.
"He will improve Everton,he will get them playing more attacking football"
Looks like Kevin is one ex player who has got Moyes sussed
Al Philby
479 Posted 04/06/2013 at 14:29:19
"Tony Draper - Throwing people out of Goodison since '76."

Absolutely hilarious comment.

I see now that the press statement issued yesterday has been removed from the front page and confined to the archives. I guess they realised that it defeated the purpose of quelling the media rumours. Dave Whelan is now completely of control.
Just what is it that this guy intends to achieve?

James Marshall
480 Posted 04/06/2013 at 14:49:42
Come off it, this is exactly the pure brand of theatre that BK wants - he loves it and we're all lapping it up. It'd be no fun at all if we just picked someone, gave them the job and everyone was tucked up in bed just after teatime would it?

Personally I find the whole debacle hilarious :-)

Phil Sammon
481 Posted 04/06/2013 at 14:47:10
Whelan in the Gruniad. I think he's actually lost the plot.


"I've had over 30 people applying for the job but I've not been able to interview anybody yet because of the agreement over compensation for Roberto," Whelan said. "I can get on with that now but first I'm going to Jersey for a few days because I promised to show the FA Cup off if we won it."

Mike Rourke
482 Posted 04/06/2013 at 14:59:32
I don't really find it much of a debacle.

Whelan is gaff prone and perhaps a little too honest. Big deal ( Actually I prefer it that way, keeps us mere mortals in the loop as it were).

Kenwright hasn't picked the manager I would have chosen but I've moved on.

No amount of squealing to the contrary is going to change things, so for me the time has come to back the King-elect.

Tony McNulty
483 Posted 04/06/2013 at 15:14:03
Increasingly Whelan is beginning to annoy me - a barnacle on the arse-hole of progress.

When this selection is finally announced, where will Whelan go to satiate his attention-seeking? Perhaps he could go on, "I'm a C List Celebrity, get me out of here."

Tony McNulty
484 Posted 04/06/2013 at 15:19:51
And in case of any malicious misunderstanding - he's the barnacle of the arse of progress, not me.
Tony J Williams
486 Posted 04/06/2013 at 15:17:25
Is that the same Kevin Campbell who said he would take 17th after the first game of the season. The one and the same who we bought his contact out to get his negativity away from the team?

Ironic?

Ross Edwards
490 Posted 04/06/2013 at 15:26:19
Well, Whelan yapping about nothing as usual. When he says that he has 30 applicants, in reality he means 3.
Gavin Wadeson
491 Posted 04/06/2013 at 15:22:30
Kevin Campbell was interviewed on Talksport. He said that the Everton players will feel like their shackles have been removed now that Moyes has been replaced by Martinez. He added that Roberto will make them better players and Everton will do better under him than they did under Moyes because they'll play a more expansive game, which will complement the defensive side of their game that Moyes has already instilled. He also reckoned we should finish in the Top 4 next season.
Mike Rourke
499 Posted 04/06/2013 at 15:38:12
I'll take the bait Paolo

BetVictor offering 500-1 on Bielsa

BetFair 949 - 1

I'll offer 1,000,000-1 and if at his press conference he rips off his rubber mask to reveal himself as Elvis I'll throw in a New Badge T-Shirt.

Kevin Hudson
502 Posted 04/06/2013 at 15:33:55
Whelan's now insisting to SkySports that it's a done deal...

Is it too much for us to ask this media-courting pie-shoveler, the opportunity to announce our own new manager before he gets to?

Also, any moron who (hilariously) uses the term: 'Rubber Toe,' when describing Martinez, needs to a) grow some pubes...b) piss-off to Blue Kipper...(where they'll inundate you with 'Lol's,' and think you're a comic-genius).

Michael Brooks
503 Posted 04/06/2013 at 15:43:09
"He will improve Everton, he will get them playing more attacking football," of course he will, like he did with Wigan! Played better under Martinez than Bruce but now there a championship side.
Michael Brooks
504 Posted 04/06/2013 at 15:49:09
Attacking football may be nice to watch but if you can’t defend then down you go.
James Marshall
506 Posted 04/06/2013 at 15:52:36
I'd prefer a dull team that wins, than an exciting one that loses.

Anyone who prefers pretty football over results, is off their rocker.

Michael Kenrick
Editorial Team
522 Posted 04/06/2013 at 16:27:00
Please take your conversational stuff over to the Live Forum.

Thank You!

Mark Eaton
523 Posted 04/06/2013 at 16:19:24
Think I would love BK for ever if he took on Pereira and left Whelan with egg all over his face!

Whelan has no need to provide a commentary on what he think's is going on. It is our call. Comments like "Everton not big enough"," I think Everton is the next stop of Roberto before he goes to the very, very top" have also got on my nerves.

Go on Bill - tell him to stick his compensation!

Nick Oakley
524 Posted 04/06/2013 at 16:27:59
Great to see so much positivity. The truth is Martinez thrashed us in the cup and out-thought City in the final – not something Moyes would necessarily have done. Wigan had a nightmare season for injuries but not once did you hear Martinez winge – he just got on with it and won a cup.

We obviously won't be in a relegation dog fight and yes he will do much better defensively than he did at Wigan as he has much much better players. The huge positive is that tactically he will set us up to beat all teams in cup matches regardless of their standing and also – and this one is really important – he will give the players a massive self-belief in their own abilities to win those key matches, something I've always felt has been lacking.

Colin Glassar
525 Posted 04/06/2013 at 18:05:59
So now Dave Whelan is offering us his entire £12m squad for £80m. Such a generous soul is old Dave.
Colin Leary
526 Posted 04/06/2013 at 18:11:49
If I was Blue Bill..I would buy Andy Carroll and use Big Dunc to personally assist him on his ground play and outside the ground play..what do you think?
Colin Glassar
527 Posted 04/06/2013 at 18:15:17
Good call Colin. On his day, Carroll is unplayable. He is missing something which I can't put my finger on. Maybe it's just that he's injury prone.
Paul Dark
528 Posted 04/06/2013 at 18:16:06
Kevin Campbell in favour of Martinez.

Professor Lord Sir Howard and Sir Neville against.

I rest my/the case.

Colin Leary
529 Posted 04/06/2013 at 18:22:14
Carroll has been getting played out of position..imagine Baines, Mirallas and Peanuts putting crosses in the box and Jelly picking up the spoils..also with our ground play attack..could be great.
Colin Glassar
530 Posted 04/06/2013 at 18:24:01
Unfortunately Nev and HK are stuck in the 80s. We need a 21st century manager who will play 21st century football Paul.
Paul Dark
531 Posted 04/06/2013 at 18:33:13
Colin: good point [sigh]. Wigan will be playing that 21st century football in the Championship next season.

Have any of you seen his blithe interview after relegation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqN78KeAsfs

Be scared, be very scared of Relegation Roberto.

Drew Shortis
532 Posted 04/06/2013 at 18:35:04
Never considered it before, but Carroll is not a bad shout. Think how good it would be if he came to us for a fraction of the fee Liverpool paid and we turned him into a 20 goal a season carbon copy of Ferguson! Yes, I know he played for the shite, but I think that was just the mistake of a young man being offered mega bucks. In hindsight he should have stuck with Newcastle where he would have been a fans favourite.

The press are reporting that West Ham had a £14.5m bid for Negredo turned down, so they might not be looking to make Carroll permanent. All that said, I can't see them selling him to us! There are also better strikers out there we should be looking at, but who knows in football!

Colin Glassar
533 Posted 04/06/2013 at 18:44:40
I'm sure Roberto will find us a gem in Spain for a fraction of what the rs will want for Carroll. How much did Michu cost?
Paul, believe.
Jeremy Benson
534 Posted 04/06/2013 at 18:39:55
Re: Nick @555

Out-thought city in the final? Did you watch it? City just didn't turn up. There was no tactical nouse required.

To consider that Martinez somehow out-foxed mancini (who with inter won 17 games in a row in serie A that went down in european history) is quite frankly laughable.

I'll get behind martinez if he is appointed our manager. But let's not make him out to be the messiah. He ended up relegated, and spent most of his other 3 seasons in the bottom 4. And as for the "league title" that sometimes crops up; it was Division 1. Please. People like holloway and jewell have a better lower-league history than that.

I seriously hope we now don't recruit any wigan players, as seems to the ridiculous norm with new managers and their old clubs. They got relegated, we should be aiming for top 6.

Drew Shortis
535 Posted 04/06/2013 at 18:42:29
Paul Dark 582
You see this interview as blythe? I see a man who is disappointed by what has happened in the league, but is keeping his chin up and is, quite rightly, talking up Wigan's historic achievement in the cup, their strong financial position (for Wigan) and the solid structure they have in place at the club that gives them a chance to bounce straight back. That's the kind of positivity I want to see at Everton, though hopefully not in another relegation interview ;)

I can't over emphasise the fact that it was Wigan who got relegated. Wigan!!! Not Newcastle United or West Ham, but little Wigan with a squad costing less than we paid for Fellaini!

Carl Sanderson
536 Posted 04/06/2013 at 18:51:29
Colin 575:

It would certainly remove the appalling anomaly of Everton having no No. 9; whether Martinez would want to play with an old-style centre-forward or a target man is another matter.

Carl Sanderson
537 Posted 04/06/2013 at 18:54:28
Jeremy:

And the way in which they got relegated was terrible. When the injuries to defensive players bit he didn't change his short-term thinking (eg. shut up shop, stay solid and avoid conceding until those players returned).

It's all very well sticking to your passing principles, but if they are patently unsuccessful...

(And the Cup win, laudable though it is, does not invalidate this point.)

Colin Leary
538 Posted 04/06/2013 at 18:54:36
I think Carroll would be a perfect fit..he just hasnt found a proper run family club..look at when Big Dunc went to Newcastle..soon come back. The blues are probably one of the only clubs who ex players don't slag off..
Peter Bell
539 Posted 04/06/2013 at 18:54:24
Drew Shortis, Brian Clough won League titles and European Cups with teams that cost peanuts to put together, its all about managing your resources and I am afraid Martinez has fallen short. To say give him a bigger club with a bigger budget does not wash with me. There is a saying that good managers foresee problems, and yet this guy failed to see in four years that his teams always conceeded more goals than they scored
Phil Martin
540 Posted 04/06/2013 at 18:55:04
@jeremy

City didn't turn up? Maybe metaphorically but in reality they've beaten good sides this year playing in first gear. That was Citys last chance to salvage their season. They stressed that enough before the final.

But credit where its due Wigan were fantastic and earned that win. Nothing was on a plate and they gave City no opportunity to settle. I wish EFC could win more big games with no "tactical nouse" required

Colin Leary
541 Posted 04/06/2013 at 18:59:41
Its about time we had a couple of surprise signings..lets show we mean business.
Jeremy Benson
542 Posted 04/06/2013 at 19:02:27
Re: Phil,

we did several times against the top 4.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

Colin Leary
543 Posted 04/06/2013 at 19:02:56
Has anyone thought of what Howard Kendall achieved with the likes of Reid and Gray..unbeatable!
Brian Harrison
544 Posted 04/06/2013 at 19:00:33
Well what a day it looks like Everton are about to confirm Martinez as manager, and I have had a letter today from Nigeria saying I have won their lottery and I only have to send them my bank details to collect.
Colin Leary
545 Posted 04/06/2013 at 19:09:21
Brian I had one of them letters..that means it has to be true..haha
Drew Shortis
546 Posted 04/06/2013 at 19:07:40
Peter Bell 594
True. But that was a different era, where money was not the major factor it is today. I agree that he failed in his task of keeping Wigan up for a forth time in a row. But what I see in Roberto is a manager who is full of confidence in his philosophy and I have faith that he will learn from his mistakes at Wigan and improve upon his defensive record, assisted by some top ex-defenders in the coaching staff. Can I guarantee this? No. So if you don't have the same belief it is difficult to convince you. I'm not saying I'm right, I'm just saying what I believe. We will find out soon enough though.
Colin Leary
547 Posted 04/06/2013 at 19:13:11
We should break the bank and get Benteke..Felli should be on the blower pulling a few strings and also tap up Leroy Fer..The Belgium Blues Quartet with Mirallas.
Tony McNulty
548 Posted 04/06/2013 at 19:16:44
This delay reminds me of the saga of, "Who shot JR?"
Paul Andrews
549 Posted 04/06/2013 at 19:13:19
Jeremy Benson 586

"To consider Martinez outfoxed Mancini is laughable"
Did you laugh when Martinez outfoxed Moyes in the cup game?

Colin Leary
550 Posted 04/06/2013 at 19:22:58
I still think there will be a twist in the tail..could Everton pull off a coo which none of us thought of..why are they delaying if it is signed and sealed..doesnt make sense.
Brian Harrison
551 Posted 04/06/2013 at 19:26:08
Do you think it is too late for BK to get in touch with go compare.
Peter Jones
552 Posted 04/06/2013 at 19:27:41
Really good tactical breakdown of how Moyes and Martinez differ in their footballing philosophy and why Jelavic could rediscover his form with the new man at the helm. Check it out.

http://footyscene.com/how-do-you-solve-a-problem-like-nikica-Jelavic-a-tactical-blueprint-by-chris-morris/?

Richard Dodd
553 Posted 04/06/2013 at 19:13:57
It amazes me the number of ToffeeWebbers who believe all our defenders will suddenly forget how to defend or be directed by Roberto to spend all their time in the opposition half. Or,will he buy so many Wigan midfielders there just wont be space for our current back four ?
Has it struck anybody that Wigan`s defenders weren`t very good,particularly when their first choice were all injured.....although they coped well enough against us in the Cup,didn`t they?


Sam Hoare
554 Posted 04/06/2013 at 19:29:19
Colin Leary, Fer is dutch, so I guess it would be the Belgian trio though I should think there is absolutely zero chance of signing Benteke unless we were flush with cash from the sale of Fellaini.
Jeremy Benson
555 Posted 04/06/2013 at 19:31:48
Re: Paul @607

If you call one-off-a-season defensive blunders and a wonder strike out-foxing...fill your boots.

Even neutrals say that if you ran that game again, wigan would never end up 3 up.

But hey, if you want to beat that stick go ahead. Our dogs of war team won the cup when they weren't that good. I don't think you can claim that royle was the messiah and out-foxed everyone. Sometimes the cookie crumbles your way, and sometimes it doesnt. To win the FA Cup takes either the rub of the green throughout the tournament, or you have to be one of the best teams around (as shown by the top 4 winning it 90% of recent 12 years). I don't think you can claim wigan were one of the best teams around. Thus...

Richard Dodd
556 Posted 04/06/2013 at 19:34:47
Sam,perhaps the delay is because Roberto is having to come to terms with the fact that BK has spent ALL his transfer budget on paying compo for his services!
Joe McMahon
557 Posted 04/06/2013 at 19:42:12
Richard (612), it's not very often I agree with you, but I do on this occasion!
Jackie Barry
558 Posted 04/06/2013 at 19:44:50
Wigan tore us apart in the fa cup, so I would say they outfoxed us, yes. They knew how we were going to play and we had no answer, simple.
Joe McMahon
559 Posted 04/06/2013 at 19:48:48
Tony (606) wasn't it Bill Kenwright?
Colin Leary
560 Posted 04/06/2013 at 19:48:20
Oh yes he is dutch isn't he..get him anyway. Surely we can raise a good few million from the Sky money this year for a top signing. Why can other teams lower down go it like the shite..they only earned a few million more last year for tv rights..we spent nothing.
Chris Leyland
562 Posted 04/06/2013 at 19:56:15
Jackie - what about the other 8 games that Everton have played against Wigan since Martinez became their manager. Guess how many Wigan won and how many times he outfoxed Moyes?
8 no
7 no
6 no
5 no
4 no
3 no
2 no
1 no
Zero
Jackie Barry
563 Posted 04/06/2013 at 19:59:28
Chris I am not talking about those games, I'm stating that wigan outplayed us in that game, I am able to take off my blue tinted specs. This is not about Moyes versus martinez and who is the best. If he becomes our new manager I will give him a chance even though he is not my first choice.
Colin Glassar
564 Posted 04/06/2013 at 20:04:32
Did you know that combining Martinez's win rate with Swansea/Wigan it is superior to Moyes win rate with Preston/Everton? Martinez has a 50% combined win rate compared to Moyesy's 40% win rate.
Tony McNulty
565 Posted 04/06/2013 at 20:06:57
Joe (622) Don't think so. He'd already sold himself on ebay.
Phil Sammon
566 Posted 04/06/2013 at 20:00:10
Richard Dodd @ 612

What amazes me is people who DON'T think Martinez will tamper with the defence. Of course he will!

Martinez likes three at the back. Martinez likes wing backs. Martinez may choose to mark man to man where Moyes used zonal and vice versa. Martinez may choose to leave men up for corners.

Great individuals don't make a great defence. It's all about organisation and communication, combined with that ability. The players may well know how to play together - but when RM completely changes the team mentality and formation, it is going to be an entirely new learning curve.

Obvious really.

Jackie Barry
567 Posted 04/06/2013 at 20:09:56
I thought matinez,s win rate at swansea was just over 50% so that can't be right surely?
Ian Glassey
568 Posted 04/06/2013 at 19:50:56
What the hell has Martinez done to deserve all this shite, I heard some knob on Talk Sport saying he would prefer Rafa or King Kenny.

These people are not Evertonians I honestly think Rat Boy is more liked,than Martinez. I hope he reads ToffeeWeb and says fuck you.

Then you will get what you deserve Pip or Stubbs.

Give the man a chance get behind him ffs...

Stephen Coles
571 Posted 04/06/2013 at 20:17:56
Ian Glassey, he hasn't done anything, the majority of english people like to complain, it doesn't matter who gets the job, there will people complaining, it's what we do! lol
Richard Dodd
572 Posted 04/06/2013 at 20:20:31
Phil @ 629. So many experts on the skills or otherwise of Roberto Martinez.
How about giving the team and he the chance to prove you all wrong? I`m sure you`d enjoy that as much as me........wouldn`t you?
Robert Collins
573 Posted 04/06/2013 at 20:20:25
I wonder if Roberto is already feeling as pissed with BK as many of us are? Never mind Roberto we'll sing you some nice songs to keep your spirits up.

And when the January transfer window comes and you don't manage to get the players you wanted, but it was a very close run thing on deadline day (right up to midnight!), just give us wink and we'll know the score.

This as you will find out is most typical of how our club operates.

Ah well sigh, sigh and sighs again.

Michael Brooks
574 Posted 04/06/2013 at 20:28:47
I am just thinking about it, more in hope that anything else but do you think when Whelan come out and told Sky Sports that compensation had been agree he has jumping the gun and with today’s media jumping all over any commit! Everyone got carried away?

Just maybe a decision hasn't been made just yet!

Just think, would you if you were deciding between, shall we say three managers, one without a club, another internal and the last employed wouldn’t you talk to the employers of said manager about compensation before you made your mind up, I know I would!!

Paul Andrews
575 Posted 04/06/2013 at 20:27:11
Jeremy,
Wigan ripped the back out of us.
They should have been at least two goals up before they scored.
Mouse was out thought tactically on that day,whether you like it or not.
Paul Andrews
577 Posted 04/06/2013 at 20:33:06
Moyes obviously......but then again
Robert Collins
579 Posted 04/06/2013 at 20:45:22
Micheal Brooks @ 640

Micheal, this is BK we're talking about, did you see him on Sky news when the Moyes going to ManU story broke, he was choking back the tears, I just wanted to slap his face and tell him to get a grip.

He's either found some cynicism within himself that enables him to play the field while negotiating with RM or he really is clueless and could not prepare a contract for RM while in negotiation with him that he could sign the moment Whelan agreed the compo.

I suspect he's clueless, he really doesn't know his elbow from his arse and that's why we're all in a state (including poor Roberto) of either rage or depression.

The Kirby fiasco, the Leroy Fer transfer, the badge and now this, it's really too much take in one lifetime.

Phil Sammon
580 Posted 04/06/2013 at 20:36:32
Richard @ 637

Where did I say that I wasn't behind the incoming manager?

You implied that the solid defence created by Moyes would still be solid under Martinez. My point was that you can't possibly say that when the two have a completely different approach to the game.

Ian @ 632

This is an Everton forum - people come here to discuss the the past, present and future of Everton. Some people like the new man, some people don't and some, like me, have our reservations but are willing to give him every chance.

Of course Martinez's defensive frailties and recent relegation are a massive concern! If the man himself doesn't know that then we are in a steaming pile of trouble. If BK hasn't asked him about that then what the hell have they talked about in these meetings?

Come on - surely we're allowed to air a few Everton related concerns on an Everton forum.

Chris Gould
581 Posted 04/06/2013 at 20:14:39
What's with all the IRWT? Trust??? How could you??
Surely, at best, it should be: IRSOUTFSRUTO = In Roberto some of us trust for some reason unfathomable to others.

Every rational person is shitting their pants.

However, I will embrace him and support him with every ounce of my soul.

Stephen Coles
582 Posted 04/06/2013 at 21:07:29
another day and still nothing confirmed, this whole saga is stressing me right out!
Drew Shortis
583 Posted 04/06/2013 at 20:55:08
Peter Jones 611
Interesting article. I don't necessarily think that RM will go for a back three, but if he did and he allowed Baines and Coleman an even freer reign down the flanks we would be playing to our strengths. I would like to see Lescott in the back three with Jagielka and Distin, presuming we could get him back for a reasonable price. Both Distin and Lescott are capable of covering the left back position if Baines goes wandering and Jagielka could do the same on the right. With Fellaini playing in the defensive midfield role he prefers I think we would remain solid enough at the back, whilst allowing our most creative attackers to get forward.

The most interesting part of the article is the change of role suggested for Jelavic. Moyes tactics were effective for keeping our formation tight and opening up space for the midfielders to exploit, but Jelavic is a poacher, not a workhorse, and his pitiful goal tally this year shows he was not suited to the role he was asked to preform.

Personally, I would like to see us play a 4-4-2 with Anichebe providing the muscle and Jelavic free to find good positions to attack the balls coming in from out wide. 4-5-1 made us hard to beat, but it was frustrating to watch at times.

Robert Collins
584 Posted 04/06/2013 at 21:11:58
Chris, when was the last time you were this excited about the club? It's all good stuff!
Carl Sanderson
585 Posted 04/06/2013 at 21:25:21
Jeremy 616:

"If you call one-off-a-season defensive blunders and a wonder strike out-foxing...fill your boots."

Exactly. It seems that people are so eager to extrapolate from one match. I wonder whether those supporting this appointment would have been so keen, had Wigan not won the Cup.

Richard Dodd
586 Posted 04/06/2013 at 21:18:21
Freshy talk and no more.
Roberto is giving BK a hard time both with his personal demands and assurances on transfer funds. No star struck Davey he! Poached eggs count for nought-he`s an omelette man and Spanish to boot.
Stubbsy seeing more hope with every passing hour. Could it be Formy`s Chosen,yet?
Chris Gould
587 Posted 04/06/2013 at 21:14:25
Robert, I honestly don't know if I am excited or just scared. I am not opposed to Roberto, and to be honest we can pick holes in all of the candidates.
I will tread carefully as I am about to enter slightly dodgy ground, but I will compare this to God (bear with me). Some people believe wholeheartedly without anything scientific to back it up; it's blind faith. Others are cynical, some may suggest more rational.
However, nobody knows shit. It's all speculation and not possible to prove either way. What is the point in arguing - nobody can win. Nobody knows how he will get on as manager of the greatest club in the entire world until he actually begins the job! Let's just wait before we judge.
Oh fuck it. IRWT!!!
Richard Dodd
588 Posted 04/06/2013 at 21:27:25
But I can spell George!
John Hughes
589 Posted 04/06/2013 at 21:13:02
I'm sure I'm not the only one who is smelling politics of the highest order with this lot.
Wouldn't surprise me if Kenwright has gone through the motions, including agreeing some "package" with Whelan in the event that he offers Matinez the job. In the meantime our Roberto confides in Whelan that he's unsure of Kenwright's intentions and our Dave thinks "right, leave it with me and we'll flush this bugger out then....."
Cue DW's announcement to Sky and followed by the statement late last night from EFC. Seen it all before from BK ( Shearer, FSF, Fer et al). Honestly, I hope I'm wrong but I am convinced this is another BK production and as always we are being kept on the edge of our seats despite the inevitable disappointing ending.
Mike Green
590 Posted 04/06/2013 at 21:29:45
Richard #660 - I've got visions of all night vigils at the Freshy - am I right.....?
Duncan McDine
591 Posted 04/06/2013 at 21:20:04
I can see this fella doing well for us. I just hope we can get off to a decent start come August time so that the players have the confidence to play some attractive footy.

The first 10 or so games are vital. If we get dragged into the bottom half, the pressure will mount, and the football will suffer. Come on Blue Boys

Robert Collins
592 Posted 04/06/2013 at 21:32:57
Chris Gould @ 661

Spot on mate none of know much about anything when it comes down to it, all we can do is get behind, I have good gut feeling about him!

Mark Eaton
593 Posted 04/06/2013 at 21:30:52
John 663:

Wouldn't surprise me if that is what is going on. Whelan could be trying to add pressure on a decision and get cracking on his own managerial search.

Thinking there may be another twist yet. Especially as there are reports coming out of Portugal suggesting that Pereira is leaving Porto.

Graham Mockford
594 Posted 04/06/2013 at 21:36:09
Colin #627

Now you are just making things up. That's the trouble with the Internet it is very easy to disprove bullshit.

Moyes win % 44.02
Martinez win % 37.87

Gary Carter
595 Posted 04/06/2013 at 21:29:58
Jeff Stelling - Martinez has done fantastically well and Wigan now have arguably their best team in years

Matt Le Tiisier - Well if that's the case how did he get them relegated if they have their best ever team

I thank you

Patrick Murphy
596 Posted 04/06/2013 at 21:31:09
Doddy I think you've got it spot on, Whelan spoke out because he likes RM and BK is trying to play his usual penny pinching games the man is a complete fraud but unfortunately for us he is our chairman can't someone relieve us of this bloke before it's too late.
Gary Carter
597 Posted 04/06/2013 at 21:42:57
Moyes's tactics regularly got us in the top six, last season we were statistically one of the most creative sides in the league and we didn't lose many games

Martinez tactics meant his team averaged a goal a game whilst conceding 2.5, never got them out of the bottom 5 or 6 in 3 seasons and last season got them relegated

FACT

I thank you

Richard Dodd
598 Posted 04/06/2013 at 21:38:49
John @ 663. You may well be right. I`ve had dealings with this guy and he`s far from the Daffy Dave I called him following his SSN statement,believe me.
He`ll leave Old Teardrops in his wake when it comes to pulling strokes and he and Roberto are true friends.
Yes,we could well be in for a shock ! All-night vigil beckons,just asked Keir for a lock-in!
Chris Gould
599 Posted 04/06/2013 at 21:38:57
I fully expect some bumps along the road and can sense that it won't take much for people to write him off. I just hope that he gets given a fair go and some time to make his mark. Brace yourselves for the rocky moments and when they happen sing his name louder. Everyone needs to feel loved (Mourinho for example).
Get your frustration and feelings of impending doom out of your system now and next week transform yourself into a fully fledged member of the Roberto Martinez fan club. The least we can do is support him and the team wholeheartedly.
Chris Gould
600 Posted 04/06/2013 at 21:52:35
If he gets the job!!
Peter Laing
601 Posted 04/06/2013 at 21:51:53
Question to Richard Dodd - Richard can you enlighten us as to what brought about your apparent sea change or more the case epiphany in terms of your views concerning that old raconteur Bill Kenwright. Most of us have had this charlatan down as a shyster for years and you steadfastly backed him up come rain, hail or shine, has he stopped your slate in the Freshy by any chance !
Jamie Crowley
602 Posted 04/06/2013 at 21:40:58
Chris Gould @661 -

Brilliant.

Richard Dodd
603 Posted 04/06/2013 at 21:57:49
Peter@675.I`ve recounted the reasons endlessly and just can1t be arsed to go through it yet again. Enough to say that his totally pathetic response to the BU affair exposed him for the totally inadequate self-seeker he is .That`s for starters!
Kevin Tully
604 Posted 04/06/2013 at 21:57:54
You're right fellas. Imagine if we find ourselves in the bottom three after 6 games!!

That would have never happened under the last fella..... oh, hang on a minute....

Mark Eaton
605 Posted 04/06/2013 at 21:55:01
Apparently Pereira's agent Christophe Henrotay is saying that he is not renewing with Porto and that Everton have been spoken to.

Check this article:

http://www.ojogo.pt/Futebol/1a_liga/Porto/interior.aspx?content_id=3256524

Bill's plot thickens again!

Peter Laing
606 Posted 04/06/2013 at 22:03:59
Fair enough Richard - I get that you have seen the light, welcome aboard, support the team - oppose stagnation !
Nicholas Page
607 Posted 04/06/2013 at 22:10:21
Cracking piece this. Makes a lot of sense about Moyes and his disregard of strikers. For some reason I can't paste it but google:

How do you solve a problem like Nikica Jelavic? : A tactical blueprint by Chris Morris

Excellent.

COYB

Kevin Tully
608 Posted 04/06/2013 at 22:10:37
Over the last 3 seasons, Moyes won 15 more League games than Martinez.

That's 5 games a season, not exactly insurmountable given all the extra resources at his disposal.

Let's face it, two reserves in Heitinga & Neville were clearing over £100k a week. That's wages for 4 Wigan first teamers!

Phil Sammon
609 Posted 04/06/2013 at 22:14:46
Mark

Not even clicking the link. Ojogo are the most reputable source around so I think we can pretty much say that Periera is the new Everton manager.

Wilkommen monsieur Periera!

Mike Green
610 Posted 04/06/2013 at 22:24:00
Nicholas #684 - great spot, and Chris Morris, wherever you are - great read,thank you.

Colin Glassar
611 Posted 04/06/2013 at 22:28:19
Graham Mockford, if it's made up it wasn't made up by me but by a daily mirror journo. Martinez has a better, career, win rate than Moyes.
Mark Eaton
612 Posted 04/06/2013 at 22:28:50
Phil

I hope so. Have been banging on about him for a while. Thought that it was all over yesterday but there may still be hope!!!!!

Colin Glassar
613 Posted 04/06/2013 at 22:34:11
If its pereira what's going to happen to Dave Whelan? He is a war hero remember.
Graham Mockford
614 Posted 04/06/2013 at 22:35:01
Colin

Don't believe what you read in the papers. My stats are correct.

Moyes has a better record overall than Martinez. That doesn't mean he is better, the beauty is we are going to find out.

Paul Holden
615 Posted 04/06/2013 at 22:47:15
Just don't get it- he took Wigan down!
Colin Glassar
616 Posted 04/06/2013 at 22:45:16
Graham agreed. Only time will tell.
Tony Marsh
617 Posted 04/06/2013 at 22:05:18
The thing that is happening here over Roberto coming in is certain fans have become caught up in a "fear of the unknown" epidemic. Now they have been ripped away from the safety of Davey Moyes's bosom, they are traumatised. They are not used to not knowing; they have become brainwashed by caution and being safe. It's an absolute joke and a disgrace that RM is being slagged off before he has even signed on.

Moyes was afforded 11 years of mostly shithouse alehouse football without so much as a murmour from quite a lot of you on here. Why can't change be embraced? Why must so many of you act like Moyes used to act with the Knife to Gunfight mentality? We are EFC we should be playing good footy and entertaining the fans — not just trying to cling on for dear life.

Maybe Roberto is just the man to push this decent squad even further than many of you believe possible. I certainly believe Martinez will give us that little bit of zest we so obviously lacked through the Moyes years. What is the point of football and going the match when you have the Moyes attitude? Acting like the small fry who are just happy to be swimming with the big fish. I want Everton to play in a style we can be proud of with youngsters given a proper chance and a manager who has a real Evertonian mindset.

Roberto Martinez could be anything we want him to be. Once he gets caught up in the Everton way who knows what he could achieve... FFS give the lad a chance why don't you?

John Crawley
618 Posted 04/06/2013 at 22:48:26
Mark much as I would prefer Periera to Martinez the report you linked doesn't give me any more hope. All it confirms is that Periera has had talks with Everton and he is also talking to other clubs. Nothing new I'm afraid.
Matthew Williams
619 Posted 04/06/2013 at 22:40:36
The more I think about this appointment, the more I think something very dodgy has gone on around the time of the Wigan cup game..... maybe our lads knew Davey boy was off in the run-up to the game & kinda froze on the day. We were so out of sync on the day.

After a run of good form, the result alone showed our board who our next boss was going to be. I honestly believe none of the foreign coaches were ever approached for the post, more smoke & mirrors from Bullshitter Bill; start praying now, Blues!

David Booth
620 Posted 04/06/2013 at 23:06:25
Kevin (685): he also lost 22 less.

Added together that is a more reflective statistic. Twenty two extra points a season for starters.

Martinez will have us mid-table by Christmas and back to scrapping like Mike Walker in the longer-term.

How anyone can enthuse about a manager who continually skimmed the pond, then finally sunk, as being someone Everton should aspire just makes no sense to me.

An apparently lovely man, but he'd be out-of-his-depth here.

Anthony Flack
621 Posted 04/06/2013 at 23:15:02
I am not sure how people can make such accurate predictions on where Martinez will take us - assumptions, guesses, hypothesis or do we have a need breed of ToffeeWebber - real psychics

Why not enthuse about a man who is lively, spirited, widely regarded as talented - and not state the future as if it is an inevitable fact

Jamie Sweet
622 Posted 04/06/2013 at 23:10:47
I can't believe how pathetic some of our fans sound with all this talk of relegation battles just because that is what Martinez endured at Wigan.

Using the same hugely flawed logic, Man Utd will finish ten points outside Champions League places, not even qualify for Europe and become trophy-less for the next 11 years.

I thought our "supporters" were a bit more intelligent than that. It's disappointing to discover that this is not the case.

Stephen Coles
623 Posted 04/06/2013 at 23:26:57
Martinez won't get us relegated, our players are far better than wigans, and goodison park is more of a fortress than that jjb stadium with half empty stands. the fans in the stadium add a lot to the teams performance. if we sink to chelsea's level of how they treated rafa, then we will be in trouble, and it will be our fault not the managers. If we cheer when we have the ball, and wistle when we don't, we will help the team win. When I watched galatasaray v real madrid, the galatasaray fans were so hostile when madrid had the ball it made me wish we were like that at goodison, the opposition would crap their pants at the noise.

Anyway martinez hasn't actually been appointed yet so people can chill out a bit untill first we get a manager, and secondly till we are actually in trouble

Patrick Murphy
626 Posted 04/06/2013 at 23:27:06
i notice that a lot of the flack our proposed new gaffer is getting is coming from names who are unfamiliar to the site, is this because they represent some faction that is working on behalf of others? Most of the usual posters are willing to give him a chance but with the usual reservations relating to a man who has seen his side relegated. I wonder if there is a concerted effort to undermine RM because the club has always wanted to appoint a man from within the club all along.
James Martin
627 Posted 04/06/2013 at 23:49:38
Patrick I think a more likely explanation might just be that a change in manager is a bit more interesting and comment worthy than the daily Moyes debate that this site had become. Whilst that suited those who could be bothered to perpetuate the unwinnable debate, it was probably a right turn off for a lot of people. The club appointing a manager that they didn't want to appoint and then attempting to undermine him on a fan site just doesn't make any sense.
Karl Masters
628 Posted 04/06/2013 at 23:50:12
Ha ha Patrick! I disagree, as you know I believe any of the old MOB have joined the new MCDC, the Martinez Can't Defend Club. The are the dissenting voices. At least that's what Paul Tyrrell told me!
Kevin Tully
629 Posted 04/06/2013 at 23:43:06
Jamie - I've been trying to get this point across for a while now.

Moyes will win the Title but we will end up the same as Wigan?!?!?

You really have to have attended the JJB and G.P. to realise the gulf between the two sides.

It wasn't like a normal P.L. game at their ground, we made more noise than any of their stands in full voice. I would compare them to a League One side similar to Swansea at the time.

Trying to make comparisons between us & Wigan is only revealing posters lack of footballing knowledge, and frankly, it's embarrassing.

110 years in the top flight. Say no more.

Al Philby
630 Posted 04/06/2013 at 23:50:38
Patrick, several accounts in Martinez's name have been set up on Twitter by the embittered Kopites.
Karl Masters
631 Posted 04/06/2013 at 23:54:49
The announcement of the new Manager is being delayed so that Paul Tyrrell can compile list of dissenting anti Martinez names from this website.

The offenders will then be snatched from their beds in dawn raids and taken to an underground compound at Finch Farm where they will be deprived of sleep and forced to watch the 5-0 derby defeat of 1982 and episodes of that LFC documentary on a loop until they admit their crimes. Those that fail to confess will be buried under the gymnasium floor after being flogged to death by Robert Elstone.

Anthony Jones
632 Posted 04/06/2013 at 23:58:44
The negativity surrounding Martinez coming to Everton is astounding given that this is an Everton fansite. If he does sign support him or cross Stanley Park so you can follow the club that does superiority complexes best. At least we might get to see Barkley given a chance next season. If one of Moyes' drones gets the job we will only get the same old shit. Rangnick sadly is a health risk, and nobody has clue whether Pereira would adapt well to the Premier League. Villas-Boas was terrible at Chelsea, despite his upturn in fortune at Spurs. Martinez will do me.
Patrick Murphy
633 Posted 04/06/2013 at 23:56:24
Karl I just knew that Tyrell guy would be involved somewhere along the line. But I was serious about the idea, I could understand it if we had played a dozen games and were cast adrift at the bottom of the league, but he hasn't yet taken over and even the MOB didn't go to the extremes to have a go at Moyes - ok maybe on occasion they did - is it because the guy managed Wigan or is it because he has such a bad record, I don't know but what I do know Everton are not the club that many would like us to be and therefore don't have the clout to attract the very best. One of the reasons DM got stick is that many could see the players were capable yet he largely stuck with the same tactics that he employed when he got 4th in 2005 with probably the worst team he had player for player during his tenure.

James I appreciate where you are coming from but there have been plenty of interesting discussions relating to all manner of topics yet many of those who have posted in recent days have not bothered to indulge. It is only a theory on my behalf but it does make me wonder if there is indeed a hidden agenda, don't forget that the club is still smarting from the 22,0000 people registering there disapproval about the badge.

Karl Masters
634 Posted 05/06/2013 at 00:13:44
It's possible, Patrick, but I can't really see the Club infiltrating ToffeeWeb to distort our opinions.

They must read it though. Not sure all the players and coaches etc would bother, but 'da management' all seem pretty paranoid judging by the leaked Rossgate e-mails and they would be looking to gauge opinion quite frequently I would say.

Paul Ferry
635 Posted 05/06/2013 at 00:12:19
Richard (660) this stuff - 'Freshy talk and no more' - does not really help us, does it really? I know that the odd one or two footie players traipse through the Freshy's hallowed carpets, sometimes stopping to admire the handsome devil with his arm on the jukebox who is our Dodd, but Fresjy talk is crappy happy talk at the end of the day.

Stop this RD and your surveys of the Wigan population.

All we know is that at some point in the next 3 days/weeks/months/years Teary Billy will pick our next gaffer and at this precise point in time it is most likely to be RM.

Roberto Martinez 1/50 - Vitor Pereira 16/1 - Neil Lennon 25/1 - Alan Stubbs 25/1 - Ralf Rangnick 33/1 - Ole Gunnar Solskjaer 33/1 - Steve Clarke 40/1 - Michael Laudrup 50/1

We can still get a tasty seeming 150/1 on Puke Pullis, a lick-lipping 250/1 on Darren Ferguson, and, to cap it all, an erection raising 500/1 on good old Gary Megson 500/1.

Do they have betting shops in Freshy-land RD: if so, stick a sneaky quid on Megson.

Don't mention Stubbs again just because you might tempt fate mate. Like me, you are against this, I think?

You might be right and RM is playing off us and Malaga against each other which would be a huge mistake on his part. But, right now, I'm accommodating myself to and getting used to the idea of the Martinez era at my beloved blues/

Cindy Cole
636 Posted 05/06/2013 at 00:34:43
Crash....bang....wallop

Yes, folks - that's the sound of me falling back down to earth.

For the past few weeks I've been having some wonderful fantasies about Vítor and an exciting future for Everton, but now reality is coming back to bite.

If it is to be Martínez, then of course I will support him - but I can't help but feel that getting Martínez is like winning the cuddly toy instead of the Mercedes. It's nothing against him personally and I really hope he can help us to improve - just please don't bring any Wigan players.

...And no, I am not working for the club. I think people are just genuinely frustrated that having been constantly exposed to talk of glass windows and needing that little bit extra to break the top four we don't appear to be going for a manager who has the credentials to do that.

Lloyd Brodrick
637 Posted 05/06/2013 at 00:44:44
Cindy, enjoy the fantasy for a little bit longer.
Pereira's agent, Henrotay stated on the 27th that Vitor was taking some time to reflect on proposals and would make a decision by the end of the week. That's the 9th by my reckoning. it could by what BK is waiting for?
Although I have warmed to the prospect of Martinez, and would support him 100% I'm not convinced its a done deal and we might be surprised yet.
Richard Dodd
638 Posted 05/06/2013 at 07:14:21
Paul@722. I hope you will have a lovely day reading your own posts endlessly.I wasn`t aware we dealt only in boring facts on ToffeeWeb and that speculation and gossip had been banned overnight.
What a boring place this would be if that were the case ! In fact I fear the site would have to close down.I repeat.Fact.
So from sunny Leigh,I wish you all the joy your posts will bring you.
Peter Bell
639 Posted 05/06/2013 at 08:09:01
Doddy how do you expect a man to manage Evertons money when he cannnot manage his own.
Drew Shortis
640 Posted 05/06/2013 at 08:48:44
Hope we get an announcement today so that we can start with the wild transfer speculation. This debate is getting old now!

I have to agree with the posters who said that expecting Everton under Martinez to suddenly drop down to Wigan's level is like expecting Man Utd under Moyes to drop out of the European spots and not win a trophy for 11 years.

I can't guarantee that we will improve our league position under Martinez in the short term, but I'm certain we wont be scrapping for survival. In his first season I would like to see our style of play improve and RM show that he is capable of organizing a strong defence. Top eight and a good runs in the cups would be acceptable for me. After all, we finished sixth this year, but all that means is a bit more prize money and bragging rights over the RS. Even fifth seems like a booby prize, though I would have been very happy with Europa next season as I love the midweek games under floodlights!

Ultimately our aim must be to break into the top four, but if we have to spend a season of two building to the point where we are really ready to challenge then so be it. This year was our best opportunity but Moyes was far too cautious and these wins turned into draws. I hope Martinez will add the attacking belief we need to finish these kind of games!

Terry Davies
641 Posted 05/06/2013 at 09:35:30
Drew (758)

Agree with almost everything you said.

Would like to say how about a bit of credit to BK who's had a lot of stick on TW lately. He has not rushed into a panic appointment but has taken time and effort to identify suitable candidates and then, apparently, thoroughly interviewed them. I must say that Pereira seemed attractive but I have never spoken to him or heard his plans for EFC: Bill has.

Yes, he may make an almighty mistake but we've all done that at some time or other. He's a true Evertonian and I don't think he would do anything that he thought wasn't in Everton's best interests. I've seen people in the past at the club who would.

Harold Matthews
642 Posted 05/06/2013 at 10:57:17
SSN. Details being finalised. Announcement this afternoon.
Paul Dark
643 Posted 05/06/2013 at 11:12:43
The only thing worse than Martinez's appointment is its slow, drawn-out nature.

You had the world at your feet, Bill, and you went to Wigan for a loser.

Silly, silly man

Robert Collins
644 Posted 05/06/2013 at 11:20:38
Paul Dark @ 777

Paul, he never had the world at his feet, he doesn't have the money to have the world at his feet.

Were you one of those calling for Morinho to come to us?

There was limited number of decent managers who would come and BK did narrow it down to the better ones.

Who would you have liked? An internal appointment a Neville/Stubbs dream team, Sam Allardyce, Happy Harry, Steve Clarke etc.

The wasn't much left that we could afford or come to us, when you exclude that lot?

Andrew Clare
645 Posted 05/06/2013 at 11:36:21
If the clubs have agreed the compensation then what is the delay?
Paul Dark
646 Posted 05/06/2013 at 11:39:02
Robert 784: That's exactly what BK wants you to think. If appointing a manager who has just been relegated reflects the apex of your ambitions for the club, then they are much too low in my view.

There is ZERO sense of Martinez building a dynasty, no sense of I came to do a job here at Wigan and I'll continue. If he does really badly, we might get relegated; if he does really well (unlikely), he'll be off somewhere else. He has a high self-regard and low achievement: a combustible and dangersous combination.

Whay do so many Everton fans think we deserve the dregs? If Swansea can get Laudrup, we can do so much better than the Smiling Spaniard, Relegation Roberto.

And, no, of course I don't think Mourinho would've come here. He is not the next level up from Martinez, please don't kid yourself. They are worlds apart.

Harold Matthews
647 Posted 05/06/2013 at 11:47:15
The fine details of the Martinez contract Andrew.
Robert Collins
648 Posted 05/06/2013 at 11:48:50
Paul Dark @ 790

Paul, you're not getting off that easy!

Read my previous answer and try to answer my question and not just slag off Martinez and BK. You're not contributing anything.

Please read and answer my 784 reply again.

Robert Collins
649 Posted 05/06/2013 at 11:58:03
Andrew Clare @ 789

BK will be negotiating with RM things like how many times he can go the bog during training sessions, he must profess to liking the new badge and agree to do all his transfer dealings 5 minutes to midnight on deadline day.

They're all minor things like the above, none of the very important.

Phil Sammon
650 Posted 05/06/2013 at 11:50:22
Paul Dark

I'm all for a bit of negativity and general doom-mongering but you're taking the biscuit.

There were far worse appointments that BK could have made.

And as for saying, 'if he does really well (unlikely), he'll be off somewhere else' - He's a young manager with lots to prove. What do you want? Someone like Pulis who has no ambition above his station. If Martinez does well over the next five years then that's great for Everton, surely.

Harold Matthews
651 Posted 05/06/2013 at 11:58:18
SSN. Everton announcement on new manager coming up shortly.
Phil Sammon
652 Posted 05/06/2013 at 12:12:44
You keep saying that, Harold.
Daniel A Johnson
653 Posted 05/06/2013 at 12:05:13
Some of our biggest defeats have come under safety-first Moyes yet no-one slated him for an inability to defend, despite having Weir/Stubbs et al on the coaching side.

My fear is that, when we get beat, which we will, discussion here will be 100% dominated by it being Martinez's fault as he can't defend.

Kevin Tully
654 Posted 05/06/2013 at 12:17:23
Live link to SSN ;

http://cricfree.tv/sky-sports-news-live-stream.php

Ged Simpson
655 Posted 05/06/2013 at 12:14:04
Paul Dark : you are getting a bit obsessive here and getting like Marshy was with Moyes. But at least Moyes had been appointed ! Don't dig yourself into a hole or your pride will hamper your enjoyment if the Blues play well under Martinez.
Harold Matthews
656 Posted 05/06/2013 at 12:26:45
Phil. They have now changed it to "News Alert".
Andrew Ellams
657 Posted 05/06/2013 at 12:33:58
I can back Harold up, announcement shortly. After the more important rugby and cricket updates
Andrew Ellams
658 Posted 05/06/2013 at 12:35:09
Possibly confirmation this afternoon
Tom Bowers
659 Posted 05/06/2013 at 12:32:42
All you dissenters wake up and smell the coffee. There was very little available to choose from.
Get used to the idea and it will make it easier to accept when Everton start to play better football and get those wins instead of draws.
Okay Martinez hadn't set the world alight but he took his team to Wembley and won,Moyes went, blew an early lead and lost.
We will see changes in the staff and the players which is not before time.
Harold Matthews
660 Posted 05/06/2013 at 12:42:43
Yeah. The Lions are hogging the airwaves right now.
George McKane
661 Posted 05/06/2013 at 13:04:02
Radio Merseyside - - just said a minute ago - -"announcement very soon now - it will be Martinez".

So let's go.

Eugene Ruane
662 Posted 05/06/2013 at 12:53:47
Tom (809) - "All you dissenters wake up and smell the coffee. There was very little available to choose from"

I tend to agree as I remember trying to choose (on TW) a manager from the 'available British manager' section.

Every time I went to click, I just... couldn't, took about 15 mins.

In the end I clicked on Reidy just to move on to the next section but I remember thinking 'hope we don't get any of those bums' (there appeared to be about 30 of them!)

I'd have gone for Pereira over Martinez but...who knows?

Ged Simpson
663 Posted 05/06/2013 at 13:05:51
Get back to work George
Andrew McGreavy
664 Posted 05/06/2013 at 13:05:59
BBC Website, says "Everton to name Martinez today"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22750453

George McKane
665 Posted 05/06/2013 at 13:07:33
Working like mad on Funding. But keep looking at TW and BBC Sport - - keep cool - be nice to see you soon - - George.
Patrick Murphy
666 Posted 05/06/2013 at 13:13:59
4pm Media Conference
Andrew McGreavy
667 Posted 05/06/2013 at 13:12:25
Everton call news conference for 4pm !!! Here he comes
Harold Matthews
668 Posted 05/06/2013 at 13:02:11
Announcement a 4.00.pm
Steve Jones
669 Posted 05/06/2013 at 13:08:08
Tom anyway you cut it this a 'could've been worse' appointment. Its a safe appointment.....Robby is a nice guy, wont make too much fuss, doesnt need sackfuls of cash, accepts the odd key player being sold out from under him.

Maybe he will bring a better style of football, hope he does genuinely, but he's not here to do that. He's here to keep us hovering roughly where we are....maintain the status quo....and don't rock the boat too much.

He's Moyes with go-faster stripes....in Spanish. Martinez isn't the problem himself...the problem is the view of the club that his appointment suggests is prevalent at board level....that this is about as good as it gets. Disappointing.

Chris Regan
670 Posted 05/06/2013 at 13:14:35
Tv saying press conference at Goodison will be held at 4pm today. This is being reported live on the tv as I type. The club is not giving much details though. Those expecting a joint statement confirming takeover, don't hold your breath.
John Crawley
671 Posted 05/06/2013 at 13:10:57
Everton have called a press conference for 4pm.
Chris Keightley
672 Posted 05/06/2013 at 13:15:42
i hope its played out like a kenwright production with a massive twist at the death .........evertons new manager is Vitor pereira - that would be stunning and a ratings winner and would get the media in all sorts of a tiss - fingers crossed !!!!
Jackie Barry
673 Posted 05/06/2013 at 13:16:00
Can people just give the guy a chance and get behind him, he was not my first choice either but there is no need to go on about it now it's pretty much a done deal. Let's welcome him aboard!
Kevin Tully
674 Posted 05/06/2013 at 13:18:03
It would be funny if they wheeled out Cap'n Pip complete with new highlights, and his coaching badges pinned to is tracky top!
George McKane
675 Posted 05/06/2013 at 13:21:59
Up The Blues.

Play Up The Toffees.

Come On You Mighty Blue Boys.

Andrew Ellams
676 Posted 05/06/2013 at 13:22:40
Maybe Dave Whelan is going to buy Bill's shares with the leftovers from his broken leg compo
David Israel
677 Posted 05/06/2013 at 13:14:14
So Montgomery Clift it will be (doesn't everyone agree there is a striking resemblance between Roberto Martinez and the late actor?). The Echo says he'll probably raid Wigan and try and bring in Kone, McCarthy and McManaman (has he been told there will be money to spend?).
Graham Mockford
678 Posted 05/06/2013 at 13:21:57
Jackie

I think we will all get behind him but I think the concerns that have been raised are valid. But no-one comes with guarantees.
Lets hope the dissenting voices including my own are utterly and completely wrong. Nothing would give me greater pleasure than hearing 'I told you so' a year from now.

Kevin Tully
679 Posted 05/06/2013 at 13:30:42
I wonder if Tiny Tears will be there? Hankies at the ready!
Andrew Ellams
680 Posted 05/06/2013 at 13:34:57
David Israel, I had to Google some pictures but you are right. Maybe Bill is confused and thinks he is getting the actor.
Robert Workman
681 Posted 05/06/2013 at 13:29:39
Going to my (Austrian) cellar to check for bodies - back later to see if we won!

Pity announcement coincides with my bi-monthly pedicure - I might have twitchy feet!

Harold Matthews
682 Posted 05/06/2013 at 13:15:00
Yes Eugene.....who knows? Fingers crossed he's the right man for the job.

I wanted a young, intelligent manager with ambition and drive and Martinez is one of the few available. Be ready for talent to arrive from the most unlikely places. This guy can spot a player.

Robert Collins
683 Posted 05/06/2013 at 13:34:34
Graham Mockford @ 828

Hello Graham,

There are many on here who are utterly entrenched/enraged against Roberto before he's even had his first game. It's nice to see people like yourself who might not have wanted him, but can look at him objectively and be reasonable.

I'm one of his supporters, I wanted him from the start, having said that I too have a few doubts about his defensive record, but I think our defense will do him proud and he's then likely to go up the other end of the park an hand out a thumping or two.

Eugene Ruane
684 Posted 05/06/2013 at 13:38:34
Steve Jones (819) - "He's Moyes with go-faster stripes....in Spanish"

Whether I agree or not, superb!

James Marshall
685 Posted 05/06/2013 at 13:40:29
It really would be stunning if they turn up at 4pm and it's not Martinez.

That would make my year.

Still underwhelmed. I wish I could get excited, but I can't at all - our odds on relegation next season have been slashed big-time.

Kevin Tully
686 Posted 05/06/2013 at 13:46:21
James - Would you write off a player before you had seen him on the pitch for us?
James Marshall
687 Posted 05/06/2013 at 13:48:21
I would if he played as badly as Martinez managed Wigan, yes!

I hate going on about it, and you're right that we/I need to give him time and respect him (which I do), but I just can't get my head round the fact he took Wigan down last season.

It just feels like a backward, or at best, sideways step is all.

I totally understand where you're coming from - you're right, he can only be judged on future performance, not past. See, I'm trying!

Nick Entwistle
688 Posted 05/06/2013 at 13:46:17
You know that feeling when you go into a match with the reserve keeper between the sticks? Well, it feels much worse than that for the season ahead.

He may well do a Mucha and perform above expectations, but I'm expecting a downturn in fortune. But hey, the football will be amazing right?

I'd give him all the support from the off, but.... but but but. I just don't get this appointment. We're on the coat tails of the top 4 and this is the best Kenwright can do.

Shock bollocks.

Robert Collins
689 Posted 05/06/2013 at 13:44:26
James @ 836,

If we win a few games just watch those go out again.

The bookies have adjusted their odds because they know there's a chancer or two out there who will try exploit the odds that are normally offered on EFC, they're just covering themselves. If Man Utd had a rush of takers on relegation under Moyes, they'd bring the odds in on them too.

Graham Mockford
690 Posted 05/06/2013 at 13:45:51
Robert #834

I admire your optimism. Now it looks like the deal is done, all arguments about what he might or might not do are redundant. In about 80 days time we are going to start finding out.
I don't see any value in 'doing a Rafa' and making your mind up until he has had a chance to prove himself.

James Marshall
691 Posted 05/06/2013 at 13:54:08
Robert#840 - fair point.

Graham#841 - it's unlikely anyone will 'do a Rafa' isn't it? I mean, none of us actually have any reason to actively dislike Martinez, even if (like me) we lack confidence in him?

I'll happily eat my words, and I'll certainly back him from the off, regardless of whether I think he's the right man for the job or not. It's the club that matters to me, not the personnel.

Robert Collins
692 Posted 05/06/2013 at 13:54:32
Graham Mockford @ 841,

Only 80 days? There's many names I could give you have taken a hell of a lot longer than that to come up with the goods.

I would be happy if he actually for the first half to full season played in the Moyes style and introduced little bits of his own play gradually?

I suspect he'll realize he can't chop that team to bits in the first season, would we punish him if we where 10th and not playing dazzling football while he finds his way around the club?

Mike Green
693 Posted 05/06/2013 at 13:55:04
How is it they can pick a Pope in a couple of days and we take ove four weeks for a new manager and we still don't know......?

Come on Bill, time to see some blue smoke. Get it done FFS.

Eugene Ruane
694 Posted 05/06/2013 at 14:02:12
Nick Entwistle (839) - "You know that feeling when you go into a match with the reserve keeper between the sticks?"

I do indeed, in fact I've had it every time we've played Liverpool at Anfield for the past 11 years.

As for - "I'm expecting a downturn in fortune" - why do so many on TW have to (chuckle) be so negative?

COYB!!!

Shane Corcoran
695 Posted 05/06/2013 at 14:12:21
Mike, what time frame would have satisfied you? What's the rush. It's the 5th of June. Only 1 hr 48 mins and we'll have a real thing to complain about.
Eugene Ruane
696 Posted 05/06/2013 at 14:13:20
Mike (844) - "How is it they can pick a Pope in a couple of days and we take ove four weeks for a new manager and we still don't know......?"

As many saw the last manager as infallible, the process of finding someone his equal is probably quite difficult.

James Cadwaladr
697 Posted 05/06/2013 at 14:19:34
Not my first choice if I'm honest, however it could have been a lot worse. As mentioned there is risk with everything and his debated capabilities and whether our defensive coaches will strike a balance has been debated to death. So no need to go one.

He will have my full support and importantly I believe he stands as a man of integrity, honesty and class. All of which are commensurate with the values of Everton Football Club. We could easily have ended up with a manager that fell short in this regard.

Good luck to the man.

Drew Shortis
698 Posted 05/06/2013 at 14:24:35
Everton are due to hold a press conference at 4pm today and it is expected Martinez will be announced as manager!
Brent Stephens
699 Posted 05/06/2013 at 14:23:23
4.00 pm press conference is to let Paulo reveal his photos at last.
Paul Dark
700 Posted 05/06/2013 at 14:25:01
I wish him well - and hope he excels and upholds the rare values of our fine club.

I'm fascinated to see how human nature works on this forum, though: now that people know he's going to be appointed, the stance of many has changed somewhat.

I suppose I'm just more of an idea(l)ist.

I can see and smell Kenwright's Cheshire-cat smile.

James Marshall
701 Posted 05/06/2013 at 14:24:47
He might be honest, and he sticks to his principles, even if those principles see his team rumble down the league and into the Championship.

Personally I see that as a massive failing, and inability to adapt (remind you of anyone now working in Manchester) which could (could) bite a person on the bottom.

Having said all of that, I hope he does well.

If it is indeed, Martinez that's being given the job.......!

Matt Traynor
702 Posted 05/06/2013 at 14:26:47
Shane #847, of course we still have a new manager, under contract, being paid a salary, until the end of this month. He's not starting at Man U till 1 July!

Plenty of time to rifle through those contracts, check end dates, release clauses etc.!

Tony McNulty
703 Posted 05/06/2013 at 14:28:10
David Israel - didn't we all tell our spouses beforehand that there would be money to spend?
Andrew Ellams
704 Posted 05/06/2013 at 14:32:12
Then they went and spent it Tony
Jackie Barry
705 Posted 05/06/2013 at 14:27:02
No Graham, I have raised my concerns about the man as well, but this is going beyond that now. People are forming an opinion of him before he has even had a chance, I say to us all get off his back, show our support for him and lets get on with the task in hand. We are all part of this team, united we stand, divided we fall, lets get behind him. If it all goes wrong then we can start shouting and criticizing but until then lets cut it out.
Jay Harris
706 Posted 05/06/2013 at 13:49:43
Kevin,
if you'd seen him responsible for 8, 6 and 5 goal thrashings and getting his side relegated would you really want him as a player?

OK RM had 2 good results against us and City but on both occasions neither team turned up.

League form is much more an indicator of a manager and his record is far from distinguished.

For me he is far too laid back for and for "sin Miedo" read couldnt care less and his team play the same way.

Jackie Barry
707 Posted 05/06/2013 at 14:35:17
OK but you are only focusing on what happened at Wigan. His stint at Swansea was pretty good, better than Moyes at Preston, and can you really compare Wigan to Everton, there is a huge gulf between us. All I am saying is let's see what he does at Everton, give him the chance that Moyes had.
Anto Byrne
709 Posted 04/06/2013 at 01:13:37
Give the bloke a go, A solid defensive platform to build upon. A nice blend of post David Moyes Everton with a less than timid attack-minded coach. This will be the new Everton we have all been longing for these last 10 years.

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