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Paul Wharton
1 Posted 14/04/2015 at 01:10:39
Pete there isn't anything amateurish about you. Carry on your good work.
Paul Ward
2 Posted 14/04/2015 at 05:18:19
A great piece of research and collaboration in recognising these brave men and the connection to our club.
Terry Murphy
3 Posted 14/04/2015 at 09:32:51
New Zealand Everton? I've never heard of them – please, where can I find out more?
Dean Peamum
4 Posted 14/04/2015 at 19:10:08
Great article Peter, really interesting read. Lest we forget.
Paul Ferry
5 Posted 15/04/2015 at 01:00:56
I’m actually a ’pro’ historian Pete and I think that your work, the research and the prose, is absolutely first-rate mate. And you do what the best history ought to do: make it relevant for the present and show why it matters.

Can’t wait for the next installment.

David Ellis
6 Posted 15/04/2015 at 05:03:37
Peter I really enjoy these posts. My grandfather fought in Gallipoli and he had 3 brothers that fought in the Great War with him. 3 out of the 4 of them came back. The eldest was killed at the Somme. He was a corporal and slightly mentally retarded (the other three who survived were all officers).

I also had some distant cousins in the ANZACs who were also at Gallipoli.

I think it is important to remember these things.

Incidentally my grandfather died in 1984 and lived long enough to see the Mel Gibson film "Gallipoli". He hated it. "It wasn’t like that. We were not that stupid" was his comment. For those who have not seen the film it shows ANZACs being slaughtered because of British incompetence, something that causes resentment to this day in Australia/NZ.

Pete Jones
7 Posted 15/04/2015 at 15:03:18
Thanks for your comments, I really appreciate them.

Mr Wharton, you need to see the photographs I’ve just brought back from France to judge my amateurishness; they cement my status as the worst battlefield photographer in the known universe.

Terry, the New Zealand Everton folded after WW1; Dr John Rowlands is the expert on the club, I’ll ask him if we can put something together.

David, Gallipoli is an extraordinarily emotive subject, even 100 years on. Because it is so important to Australia and New Zealand’s sense of nationhood, the legends have a huge resonance. By coincidence, I was at Fromelles near Lille yesterday, it is another key site for Australians for similar reasons. As for the Peter Weir movie, my rule of thumb is to take anything historical with Mel Gibson in it with a huge pinch of salt, but it is very interesting to hear your grandfather’s take on it, and about the experiences of your great uncles.

Mike Owen
8 Posted 16/04/2015 at 12:02:15
Peter,

I admire your diligence and note your humility, calling yourself an "amateur" historian.

I don’t think it matters if a historian earns a living from it or not, it’s a question of going about it the correct way, not least with an open mind. I get the impression you do just that.

I stumbled across the existence of the New Zealand Everton some years back but know very, very little about them. I’d love to know a lot more.

As for the First World War, what an awful waste of lives from all countries involved. The grieving for years afterwards, especially in cities such as Liverpool which sent so many men and youths, must have been immense.

John Shearon
9 Posted 18/04/2015 at 14:47:49
Peter, A fantastic read from a real historian. Many thanks!
Pete Jones
10 Posted 18/04/2015 at 20:32:48
Mr Sheron, I’m not real, I’m just a figment of your imagination.

By sad coincidence it is 72 years ago today that Sgt Alf Penlington was lost over the Mediterranean, I put up a little tribute in Commemoration Corner at St Luke’s for today’s game and I’m working on a tribute which I hope will do his memory justice.

Not forgotten.


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