Martinez can fish in a bigger pond with Moshiri on board

If you can't offer European football the big fish won't bite?

FA cup seems our only hope at present?

I think qualifying through the league went out of the window when West Ham beat Spurs on Wednesday.

I'm trying to be positive, but can't see it quite happening this year!

Manchester City found that money attracted players and they could offer nothing but money to begin with. They found it difficult at first. I remember some of the journalists almost laughing in their beer when City started going for top quality players. They got them.

We are not going to leap in one bound right into the select shower of so called big clubs who got their by waving money about. Except perhaps Arsenal as they seem to have picked up over the years, stupendously good players not through waving their cheque book.

Wages should be freed up from 5 or so departures from old guard. Key is keeping the jewels. Here's hoping.

Payet et all all went there to play football in the top league, and earn the big bucks so there’s no reason we can’t attract big names – especially as we should have some more money to spend on wages (one would assume).

Good point James.

I wonder if Moshiri's partner Osminov has any influence at Dynamo Kiev to attract Yarmolenko to Goodison Park?

More likely, a combination of the new TV deals plus loan guarantees which Moshiri might provide would enable the club to be fully active in the market before August. In that context, bearing in mind that players contracts are amortised over a number of years, maybe there will be relatively huge investments made this summer in a ’widened scope of targets’, similar to West Ham, Southampton, Stoke et alia, who will all be able to do the same.

Let's hope the Everton recruits are tough as well as talented and want to defend set pieces.

The very best players are keen to showcase themselves in Europe though, which is a problem if we want to attract one or two to Goodison.

Even with the promise of extra money to spend we are still going to find it difficult to match your City, Chelsea, United with their mega spending.
That's not to say that Moshiri being involved is not great news, of course it is and will certainly help us to be more competitive.

We aren't a million miles away. I just hope we don't start buying players for the sake of it. I don't want us to become a Man City or Chelsea.

Back in 1995, we had just survived in the Premier League by the skin of our teeth but we were able to attract a player of the calibre of Andrei Kanchelskis, mainly due to winning the Cup, we appealed as a club that looked like it was going places.

I doubt money will really be much of an issue for Everton this summer, what with the mega TV deal coupled with Moshiri being here now.

As I said a week ago, I’d be very surprised and disappointed to not see Everton being one of the top 6 spenders in the league.

After selling his shares in Arsenal just one week ago, the Premier League are expected to pass Moshiri under its fit-and-proper-person owners and directors test next week, paving the way for his takeover at Everton.

This season reminds me of the Football League Championship in how tight things are between the clubs, and it doesn’t look as though we’re going to finish high enough to qualify for the Europa League unless we win the FA Cup.

If we sign Yarmolenko, I think that will still be a significant coup even with new-found money. He’ll have his pick of clubs in the summer and we’re unlikely to be playing in Europe. But It looks as though our links with his agent and our sheer diligence that we have a good chance of pulling that one off.

I guess the resigning Wayne Rooney would be the one that would show a statement of intent and that we’ve transcended the likes of West Ham, Saints and Stoke, and are making a serious play for Champions League football. This kind of marquee signing, I believe, would also attract other high profile players.

Could it happen?!? Would Moshiri turn our wage structure on it’s head for one player?! Personally I can’t see us paying the wages Rooney would want. Even if he took a decrease in pay. Isn’t he on around £250-300k at Man Utd?

If we sign Yarmolenko and a top GK, I’ll be happy. As Jags said earlier this week. The team needs tweaks with a couple of special players coming in.

Colin,

The deal will go through next week. Stop panicking mate.

Getting a winning run going is tough for most teams this season and that’s what it would take to move up the table significantly with some other clubs like West Ham and Soton in the frame too.

Tomorrow could be pivotal but if they don’t win then we have to concede they don’t deserve a European place which will just leave the Cup and a Derby match win to hope for.

Everton do have some players to move on but not much that will bring much money. We all hope that things will happen to mould this squad into contenders next season with the addition of new blood but we all have doubts about RM being the man to lead them.

That said, we must not make the mistake of rushing out and spending for the sake of it – we have emerging young talent and existing talent and there is no need to go wild. Nice to know, though, that we can be more ambitious.

For my part, I’d spend a heap, if we have to, on a really top class Number 10 and a high quality goalkeeper as priorities.

Yes, I think we should move heaven and earth to bring a quality GK in.

There’s a story doing the rounds that City will buy Neuer. If so, I don’t see why we can’t be one of the clubs who could buy Joe Hart.

Kanchelskis was not getting time in the Man Utd first team and was looking for out. His translator/PA type person was a mate of Joe’s. Mate tells Joe, Joe makes enquiries, job done.

Separately, on a different occasion, a retired linesman was asked how he managed to keep up with Kanchelskis for offside decisions. He confessed that he couldn’t and roughly gave one decision in two as offside.

Until I see Mr Moshiri donning his Everton shirt and holding aloft his blue and white scarf, next to a beaming Boys Pen Billy, I will remain wary. This IS Everton FC after all.

If we are going to be fishing in a bigger pond, does this mean Hibbo will be more involved?

Foreign players want to play in the Premier League due to it being the best and offering high salary, added to that we have an excellent reputation, players "feel at home" at Everton, I have read that so many times.

I do, however, want us to splash the cash on a GK (Butland or Forster) and I suppose we will be buying yarmolenko for around £15m but the likes of Tarashai and this Iranian kid excite me far more.

But I'm with you on another post Colin, until this deal is ratified by the premier league and I've seen Mr Moshiri alongside Bill in a press conference stating his intentions then I won't get carried away too much.

First and foremost, we need to keep the likes of Stones & Lukaku and make sure they buy into what we're now going to try to do with this new investment. Even offer them new, and improved deals if needs be and take it from there.

But IF we are going to spend a fair bit this summer coming, I think we need 4 players of top quality to pretty much go straight in the team. Still think we need a top GK regardless of Joel's form. 2 good GK's in the ranks would be a start. We need a deep lying playmaker for CM, someone whose good on the ball, can pick his passes and turn defence into attack quickly. I think we definitely need to address our left hand side of midfield. Pienaar will be gone, Martinez doesn't seem to fancy Mirallas there full time and Kone isn't the answer and I'm not so sure Niasse would be either?! And me personally I'd still like to see us try and bring Yarmolenko in for RW. I'd have him as our main right winger with Deulofeu & Lennon giving competition but also, I'd like to see Deulofeu being given chances at No.10 has of next season as his passing and creativity could be useful there.

Then I'd get in cover/competition at RB, CB (a bit of experience more than anything) & another striker, unless Leandro is ready come next season?!

Also I'd like to see the deadwood be rid of, the likes of McGeady, Howard & Gibson. The likes of Pienaar and you'd think Osman, will be allowed to just leave with them being at the end of their contracts, does the same go for Hibbert? Is he in his final year this season? Then again it wouldn't surprise me if he retired due to consistent injuries. Personally I'd get shut of Kone aswell but I think we all know Martinez wouldn't give him another years extension then fuck him off.

But that's just my personal opinion of what I think we need to kick this talented team/squad on, and if we now have the finances, then let's think big and get the required quality in and make inroads in the league straight away.

We do need to get rid of a lot of those ageing squad players who rarely play e.g. Hibbo, Ossie, Gibbo, Pienaar etc....and replace them with younger, hungrier players (my utmost respect to all 4 btw, great servants to the club) to freshen things up.

I've heard that Mr Moshiri is ready to pay big bucks to keep the likes of Rom, Ross and Stonesy so I think we can count on them for another season at least. He needs to sit down with the players and spell out his ambitions for the club otherwise they might (not Ross) decide to leave.

P.S. I'd like us to release Kone but I think he's now contracted for another season (games played?) and we wouldn't get too much for him anyway.

Assuming we don't win the next 10 and somehow fluke into the Champions League, Martinez will have had 2 successive failed seasons significantly underperforming his predecessor despite inheriting a talented playing side including young talent and having more resources to spend.

Core tactics, player selection, substitutions, defensive training, set-pieces and general fitness have all been found wanting and aren't thing that will be easily fixed. Time to move on.

There again, I would have loved the 23 year old £18.3mil Porto DM Imbula who went to Stoke. Barry has been terrific but has no pace and can't go on forever.

Of course, Mark Hughes, who played at the highest level and mixed with great stars, is able to manage all types of football oddballs, Imbula not included, whereas Martinez insists on players of a certain character who are guaranteed to toe the line. Unfortunately, talented people are often very eccentric which would rule them out. This leaves us with a squad of very nice lads without a strong no-nonsense leader likr John Terry or Williams of Swansea and without this leader we will struggle to compete at the top.

He's past his nest, we couldn't afford his £300,000 a week wages even though we have a few bob thesedays and he even said himself he's looking at going to America after his Man Utd days have ended.

So you don't think buying better players would help, fancy having Aquero up front for a few matches.

Chris James you could have a point there. No doubting Martinez has got a thing or two to prove from now until the end of the season and if we keep up this run and push towards the top 6, 7 then he may get to start the season next, but if we slip up here and there and follow the same pattern we've have done all season and stay around mid table, then the new investor might have plans to bring his own man in, or atleast he'll suggest so and the board would all vote has even though Mr Moshiri has got a 49.9% majority stake in the club, he doesn't have the power to make the decisions just yet, or have I got that wrong?

After today's shambles, on top of several similar capitulations this season, I can't see it making any difference who he buys.

I would not give this incompetent a brass farthing.

What player's as RM, brought in that have been shite?

I think his signings have been superb. Maybe we could keep RM, in this capacity and just replace him with a more suitable coach, if possible.

I maybe wrong but I don’t think Hibbert, is on the playing staff now. I think he is in some coaching capacity at the club.

I don't deny he has an eye for talent, but unless he is willing to be our chief scout (which is a HUGE demotion), letting him anywhere player transfers and perhaps team management will be a disaster even if we manage to get names like Hiidink and Rudi Garcia (or the control freak Wenger).

Our next 3 games are Chelsea (H) in the FA Cup, Arsenal (H) and Man Utd (A) in the league and if we lose to Chelsea we will have nothing more to play for this season and if we lose to both Arsenal and United and say Bournemouth win or win a couple, then they would take over us and we will be left languishing in mid table of the bottom half and that is just unacceptable!

We can have all the talent in the world and play some great stuff from time to time but if your incapable of defending, and let’s have it right, incapable of basic defending (we were done by 3 balls into the box yesterday, we fail to stop crosses coming in to our box and our frail defence struggles with balls into the box), then you haven’t got much of a chance!

How many times have we given away leads this season? I’ve lost count already, or just can't be arsed counting. But even with 10 men, at 2 nil up there comes a point where you think of defending that lead and sort of shut up shop, make yourselves compact so you can possibly withstand a bit of a fight back but no, not our manager, he instead brings on an attacker for again, one of our best players on the day that was a threat going forward, but also worked his arse off getting back! Our shape went to pot, we were open and got punished. It seems Martinez will never learn, won’t ever work tactically on team shape, structure and discipline when we haven’t got the ball, and for the life in him, he’s not interested in changing things on a defensive point of view during games to close them out and defend good leads that we have had to see us through to the 3 points!

I’m not sure if I said it in a thread on TW or somewhere else like social media, but before we got new investment I said I’d lost faith in Martinez and didn’t believe he was the man to take us forward. Now with new investment and new ideas and bigger aspirations no doubt, he definitely isn’t the right man to take us in to possibly a new era, not for me anyway!

Don’t get me wrong, he seems a nice bloke, got a good image amongst the press and he seems to get what Everton is about, but the results and stats on the pitch don’t lie and we’ve been dreadful (results wise) for far too long now. Yeah, we can be great on our day, play some really good stuff, but that counts for nothing if you don’t back it up with wins.

I think if we do lose our next 3 games, we’re gonna have to bite the bullet and get rid. Put Big Dunc & Unsworth in temporary charge with Joe Royle in an advisory role till the end of the season and then the board can have that time to extensively search and look up possible new managerial candidates, study them, get character references, weigh up who will be the right man and then make our move as soon has were cock sure we know who the right man is to lead us forward!

First you say RM, as a eye for talent. Then you say if RM, was anywhere near transfers it would be a disaster. Contradicting yourself there are you not?

If you have seen any of my earlier post on the arrival of RM, as coach. You would have seen that I felt his appointment was utter madness. So I, am not a fan of his team management.

Earlier I simply stated that he had brought good player's in to the club. Which is true.

Martinez has been very good in the transfer market so it would surprise me he’d spend so much money on a potential dud. To be honest, I did see Niasse on YouTube and I wasn’t overly impressed.

I went to the game and agree with Brent (#55). Niasse, didn’t show anything to give any indication what he his capable of producing in future games. He looked way off the mark, to me.

I thought he was brought on to keep hold of the ball higher up the pitch, with his pace. But all I witnessed was a clumsy uninterested looking player. Well off the Premier League pace.

I also wasn’t impressed by the YouTube clip.

Two shocking seasons on the bounce are well enough. He needs to go at the end of the season. Appoint another manager and give him the transfer kitty. Martinez will waste the lot.

He cannot instill the winning mentality needed to succeed in the Premier League. He is a loser. And the team a playing like losers. Please please get rid of this deluded man. His decision-making is bad beyond belief.

It seems that he had "pre-decided' that Niasse would get a run out, regardless of the game situation. This mentality is absolutely crazy and possibly a reason why no-one on TW (including me) can fathom out RM's subbing decisions.

Unfortunately I can't.

The minimum requirement for a new signing who comes onto the pitch at 2-0 up at home with his team down to 10 men, is to put a shift in.

That for me was the bigger disappointment.

I can take the poor control and dreadful passing, I can put it down to simply being unfit, a little bit on edge in the new surroundings but the biggest worry is the apparent lack of interest.

Niasse though is the least of our worries, Martinez is the biggest problem at Everton, and he simply has to go.

What worries me the most is that people who have a bit more knowledge about the Russian league were saying he stunk the place out in his first season, when he was used sparingly.

They also said he thrives on confidence and looked a different player when he had a proper run in the side. No disrespect to the standard of football in Russia but he’s not going to get a long run in our first team based on the little we’ve seen.