Lukaku is not signing a new contract and is probably off to Chelsea at the end of the season. My initial opinion is if he doesn't want to play for us, sell him and spend the money on someone else. But who? Strong rumours that Rooney could be heading back to Goodison, heart says yes, head says no.
At the age of 23 Rooney had scored 80 Premier League goals, Lukaku has scored 81. In the last 3 seasons Rooney has scored a total of 22 goals, this season Lukaku has scored 21 (with 7 games to go)!
If Rooney does rejoin Everton (and I hope he doesn't), rumour is he would take a 50% wage cut and agree to $150k per week. Looking at value for money alone, it would better business to double Rom's wage, and get him to sign. Everyone has their price, just need to find his. There is no loyalty in football anymore, so it becomes purely a business transaction, a negotiation.
If he still won't sign, keep him for another season and sell him then.
Looking at the current "proven" strikers in the Premier League, who are comparable to Lukaku, none would be available to us. So that means buying a striker like Rooney, Costa or Aguero, who may be surplus to their respective clubs requirements at the end of this season. I am not keen on that.
So we are left we taking a risk on an "unknown", up and coming striker. It is a risk that I am not sure we can take as our main frontline striker. So, to conclude, break the bank to keep Lukaku, because there ain't many strikers who are as prolific as him, at the moment. Keep developing our younger strikers (Lookman, Calvert-Lewis) and buy a "risky" unknown, but keep Lukaku, for his goals.
Oh, for those who will reply that Lukaku doesn't run, can't control the ball etc etc etc, I don't care about that. If the club spends money on a striker, it wants to buy goals, and Lukaku scores goals. Simple.
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1 Posted 08/04/2017 at 16:16:35
Wish these ex reds would keep their big gobs shut and restrict themselves to something they know about.
Everon will decide if and when we sell him.He has two years left on his contract .The media need to get this into thier thick sculls.
What is it with the media ,if they are not touting our players then our manager.
2 Posted 08/04/2017 at 18:43:46
Another season wouldn't hurt his career and if he concentrates his focus on being an Everton player rather than looking wistfully at the Champions League, he may just improve enough to prove that he is the player he thinks he is.
Conversely, can Everton afford to have a player who constantly looks to move on and will he continue to score the number of goals required to justify him staying?
Whichever way you look at it, there is a major decision to be made by the club and the player; the odds at the moment would suggest that both parties would benefit from him staying at Everton.
3 Posted 08/04/2017 at 19:14:54
We're not going to be able to see the future but I look at it this way. If he stays, then he is going to want to see us have a better complement of top class players come in.
If he decides he wants away, we're going to have a major problem replacing him. As the goals tally among our other players is fairly poor, we're going to either somehow see more goals scored from other members or we find player who can score regularly and we need to get in players in other positions or have a better record of scoring goals than our current crop.
So on to Wayne Rooney. For my money, I'd like to see him in our squad, either with Rom or without Rom. If Rom stays, I think that not only will Rooney create more chances for Rom and any other of our forward player, I think once he gets his confidence back, he'll weigh in with his fair share of goals.
His legs may possibly be going but his brain is as sharp as many of the most creative players in the Premiership.
If Rom goes, the it'd depend on who else we could get to replace him (and if Leicester's centre forward happened to come available, I'd like to see him at our club.) Vardy not only scores goals, he's the type of ferreting, hungry player who won't give opposing defences a minute.
My thoughts are that Wayne would benefit our club whether Rom stays or not. I don't see the situation as a Rom versus Wayne.
I see it very much as Wayne would be a valuable addition to the squad. I look at Ross and, to me, this season will be a deciding one for him.
Among many other decisions our Manager has to make, is: Can Ross improve on where he is now? He may well gain benefit from having Wayne around. My guess would be that Ronald will be after a more effective player. If he can't get such a player, Ross will have to improve his game for us to reach the top six.
So whatever happens, I think Wayne would be a useful addition, either with Rom, or without him.
4 Posted 08/04/2017 at 19:16:04
I'm sure Koeman will have had words with Moshiri and that between them they have a plan. Remember, Lukaku can't demand to leave while he's under contract, the Webster ruling not withstanding, and the club are unlikely to sanction his leaving until he's down to one year to go on his present contract, IMO.
5 Posted 08/04/2017 at 19:24:55
We have a strong hand here as we could ask for £80m now and see if there are any takers or ask for £50m and a player in exchange, eg, Batsuyahi or Ihenacho.
Rom's problem is: Who will cough up what we demand and, will he be a starter.? Guardiola won't want him, neither will Mourinho. That leaves (in the Premier League) Chelsea (Arsenal won't pay) but does Conte want him? Apparently not according to some reports.
None of the Big 4 (Madrid, Barcelona, Milan and Munich) appear interested so that leaves PSG. Would Rom want to play in a Mickey Mouse league?
So for Rom things don't look so straightforward. Yes, he's a goal scorer but the elite teams want the complete package and Rom ain't that yet, not for that kind of money anyway.
As for Rooney, well with the Lukaku money I'd go for the quick fix and get the golden oldies Kompany, Fabregas and Rooney in (if they can prove their fitness). If they can still deliver the goods, they could be great for our younger lads.
6 Posted 08/04/2017 at 19:38:05
I am so torn on the fella that I will be OK whether he stays or goes. But I agree, I bet Koeman and Moshiri have a plan.
7 Posted 08/04/2017 at 20:36:56
To be honest, I think Lukaku will still be here next season, not because he will give us one more season but because I do not see other teams offering the money we want.
As for Rooney, I would give the guy a 2-year contract; legs are a little slower but the football brain still there.
8 Posted 08/04/2017 at 21:37:08
11 Posted 08/04/2017 at 22:02:52
Massively earning a bollocking off Ashley Williams tells me there's little chance of him, Lukaku, now mending bridges with the team-mates he so publicly, repeatedly disrespects, so, for mega-bucks, I'd see him off this summer. If he wants to play like he cares about his club and us fans, so be it, but he's been woeful in attitude and performance, again, in the last two games against teams struggling, as we should have been this season, to win a place in the top four.
Who we'd sign to replace him is a mystery but that's what Messrs Walsh and Koeman are so well paid to do. Maybe a midfield four of Schneiderlin, Gana, Davies and Sigurdsson (for instance) would enable us to sign two proper goal-scoring strikers who put a shift in to regain the ball as well. Lets see them earn their money.
12 Posted 09/04/2017 at 07:22:08
I would like to see Rooney back, but he's been at it, at the highest level, for a long time. He's a very old 31. The rumour is that he'd come back at 50% of his current wage, but I think even that would be too much. It's very unlikely that he would remain healthy an entire season. In any event, I see him as a second striker or an impact sub in the midfield; when fit.
The position of "striker", is wide open. No guarantee Valencia will be here, and the kids are not ready to lead the front line yet. This is where we find out if the reputation Walsh has built up, is warranted. There are plenty of talented strikers out there, but convincing one (with talent comes ego), to commit to Everton, is the big challenge.
The next window will be crucial to the Everton project.
13 Posted 09/04/2017 at 07:37:46
To replace Lukaku, knowing Koeman's penchant for proven Premier League experience, I see Rooney as an excellent option, he can give us at least 3 years of top performance. Moshiri and Kenwright have to get a bit creative with Rooney. Instead of offering cash, they should think about structuring an equity incentive with a small base salary for Rooney. For example £50k per week plus 0.5% of EFC ownership for every Champions League that he gets Everton to qualify (for example).
With the Lukaku money, try to get a really top player in part exchange. For example Fabregas and £60million cash in exchange for Lukaku. Then use about that £60 million to get a couple of really top proven Premier League goal scorers (King from Bournemouth, Antonio from West Ham, Perez from Arsenal, or Negredo from Swansea).
We would need to invest heavily to revamp the back 4. One left-back and at least two centre-backs. Nyom from West Brom, Keane from Burnley and Maguire from Hull would cost about £60-70 million between them. Put off investing in a new goalie until next January. By selling Cleverley, Lennon, Niasse, McGeady, Jagielka, Kone, Funes Mori, Besic, Deulofeu, Mirallas, we could get £50 Million easily. The first team could look like:
Robles, Coleman, Keane, McGuire, Nyom, Schneiderlin, Gueye, Fabregas, Barkley, Rooney, King
Backed up by:
Stekelenburg, Holgate, Williams, Pennington, Galloway, Baines, Barry, Davies, McCarthy, Bolasie, Antonio, Lookman, Calvert-Lewin.
If Walsh and Moshiri do some wheelin' and dealin', with a net spend of about £30 million, we can get a really top squad to challenge the big boys.
14 Posted 09/04/2017 at 07:55:27
The money we could get for Lukaku alone would pick up three quality players. We have already offloaded Cleverley, Gibson and Oviedo so there are wages available. Selling Ross would allow another two players.
We could have five to six players in place for the sale of two and be no worse off financially. This would leave us the money to pay Rooney's wages, I can't see Man Utd. looking for a fee, and still be able to put money aside for the new stadium.
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18 Posted 10/04/2017 at 03:21:55
However, every player has his price, and if silly money was offered, then I think Batshuayi has the potential to be a very, very good player. I would love to see Pickford brought in and signing Keane would be quite the coup as well. Re Rooney, he would absolutely improve the squad and I would love to see him in a blue shirt, but £150 a week is too much at this stage of his career. An incentive-laden contract with would be ideal in his case. Whether or not he would agree to that is unknowable at this stage, but lets not overlook the fact that he is a blue and hope that he will be willing to come back home.
19 Posted 10/04/2017 at 05:19:32
I believe that the reason why he can't seem to make up his mind and give a straight forward statement on the matter, or more pertinently, submit a transfer request, is that no acceptable or even tentative offers are being made.
He utterances smack of "come and get me, but only if you can pay the going rate and are a Champions League regular." I don't believe that he would leave Everton if either of these conditions aren't met.
Even at contract end there is no guarantee that he would attract more salary than he would have been offered by extending his Everton contract. Ultimately he (and his entourage) will be pragmatic and if no acceptable offers come in, he will extend his contract and stay at Everton.
Money talks, bullshit walks.
Whether the constant placing himself in the shop window is acceptable to the club hierarchy is another issue.
Given the power that elite footballers seem to hold now, it is clear that Everton will have to be smarter in future when discussing contracts with players. Wouldn't it be great to have gag orders, no play no pay, 10% salary cut just for being an arsehole, type clauses inserted in contracts!
As for Rooney, no thanks, not enough energy for today's football. He would get destroyed by some Everton fans if it appeared he wasn't giving his all.
20 Posted 10/04/2017 at 09:41:06
Definitely can't compare Rom and Rooney as they wouldn't play in the same position.
Would never get Costa or Aguero. Quite simply, we would have to be extremely lucky to replace Rom adequately.
Look at when the RS almost (god forbid) won the Prem on the back of Suarez's goals. Sold for £75M and couldn't replace him...
But he wants to play on a bigger stage and his stats support the ambition - although I think his technical deficiencies will stop him from ever playing for one of the truly top sides.
21 Posted 10/04/2017 at 12:52:09
I think Rooney will be coming no matter what, it is not linked to whether Lukaku stays or goes.
Rooney will not be the the marquee signing, he will be a signing along side the others.
If Lukaku stays, great, if he goes his fee will buy someone worthy of taking his place.
Hope he stays but not arsed if he goes
23 Posted 10/04/2017 at 15:52:47
As for Rooney, we discussed this at the game yesterday. If we could get a couple of years out of him in that hole behind the striker then it would be wages well spent. I also don't see this as an either or signing, I would like Rooney playing behind Lukaku, could see plenty of goals coming then.
Problem with Lukaku is that he comes across as bigger than everyone else. I want to see a team player not a superstar in his own mind. I want to see Koeman tell him to mind his own business over who comes in or goes. Either sign or go, same as he's said to Ross. It's too dangerous to have one player who holds so much sway. I'm sick and tired of the same rhetoric all the time. Either go or stay but stop pissing around waiting for the so called dream move. No player is bigger than the club.
24 Posted 10/04/2017 at 16:08:07
Selling Lukaku to a league rival would be suicide. I can understand it if a Real, Bayern or Barca come him for him but I would hope we simply refuse to do business with Chelsea and United. Rom is now at a similar level to Suarez when Liverpool bought him and look how he turned out.
We should be signing some Champion's League quality players and offering him £200k p/w if we are seriously ambitious.
25 Posted 10/04/2017 at 16:23:58
However, I'm sure Atletico fans were on forums saying the exact same thing about Torres, Forlan, Hulk, Augero, Vieri, Falcao, Costa, Mandzukic
So it can be done!
26 Posted 10/04/2017 at 16:26:40
27 Posted 10/04/2017 at 16:41:33
I agree we should be buying Champions League players but problem we have is that we can't attract them until we can promise Champions League football. This is where your star players like Lukaku and Barkley need to shine in big games and influence and win them but neither has done that. Stats don't mean a whole lot, they don't tell the whole picture.
28 Posted 10/04/2017 at 16:43:23
I would rather have an ambitious player at Everton rather than elsewhere, or one who is happy to plod along. If we do sell then as said by James S. it should be abroad not to a rival.
29 Posted 10/04/2017 at 16:49:07
"How many big games has he influenced. Chelsea cup game last year but apart from that I'm struggling to remember many more". – That sounds like counting / sums/ stats.
30 Posted 10/04/2017 at 17:24:17
31 Posted 10/04/2017 at 17:29:42
Though I'm not sure many people really relies just on stats (you could probably count them on the fingers of one hand! ah, a stat!).
32 Posted 10/04/2017 at 17:31:00
33 Posted 10/04/2017 at 18:10:53
As for comparing him to Suarez when he went to the RS well imo he's not that good yet. Doesn't mean he won't become that player but I don't think he is yet. Regardless of what you think of Suarez he carried that RS team, continually performing and dragging everyone with him, Lukaku doesnt do that yet
34 Posted 10/04/2017 at 18:14:44
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36 Posted 10/04/2017 at 18:36:56
I take it you are referring to this season alone?
The overall Premier League record of Aguero vs the 'big 6' is much superior to Lukaku's.
These were the stats as they stood at the beginning of March when a similar debate about Lukaku having a bad case of the Cottee cooties was going on (I haven't got time to look for the updated version and, besides, it wouldn't really help Rom's cause any as he's only drawn a couple more blanks since then)
Tottenham: 11 games/10 goals
Man Utd: 8 games/7 goals
Chelsea: 10 games/ 6 goals
Liverpool: 9 games/ 4 goals
Arsenal: 8 games/ 3 goals
46 games / 30 goals
Tottenham: 8 games/ 1 goal
Man Utd: 10games/ 3 goals
Chelsea: 5 games/ 0 goals
Man City: 10 games/4 goals
Liverpool: 10 games/ 5 goals
Arsenal: 10 games / 1 goal
53 games / 14 goals
As for Harry Kane? He's hot on his heels having featured in half the number of 'big' games:
Man Utd: 6 games/ 0 goals
Chelsea: 6 games/ 3 goals
Man City: 5 games/ 2 goals
Liverpool: 5 games/ 2 goals
Arsenal: 4 games/5 goals
26 games/12 goals
38 Posted 11/04/2017 at 15:19:27
Rom will be gone in the summer to fulfill his massive ambitions of being the best striker in world football. I can only liken his ambitions to that of an X-Factor contestant who thinks that they are the bollocks no matter how limited they are. The bottom line is that he is very good when facing goal and pretty average everywhere else; if a supposed top team wants that type of player fair enough, stump up the cash and lets all move on.
We will hopefully see a different shape to our play with more mobile, hungry attackers who aren't averse to linking up play .
39 Posted 12/04/2017 at 23:33:42
Why would we bring Rooney back? He's started ONE league game for Man Utd this year! A player who's career is in serious decline, which has been aided by his daft lifestyle he would be of no benefit to us, setting a bad example to our youngsters and bring bad publicity in that there'd be a media frenzy every time he was fit & didn't start.
We need young, fit and ambitious players who are prepared to make the necessary sacrifices to get to the top, not old has-beens who'd have fitted in well in the Walter Smith era.
Oh yes, and he showed EFC no loyalty, couldn't wait to jump ship after one season in the 1st team at the age of 18.
People can criticise Rom all they want, but he's done far more for this club than Rooney ever has done or will do, and I hope he's here for a few years yet.
40 Posted 13/04/2017 at 12:19:03
Rooney is a great striker and not a good midfielder. He would easily score 20 plus for us as a striker a season given the service.
Rom has scored his goals and he doesn't break sweat because you don't need to run about like a dickhead. Rooney would be the best business for this club especially if he comes on a free.
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