Lukaku faces challenge as Kane scores 4

Thursday 18 May 2017  246 Comments  [Jump to last]

Romelu Lukaku will have his work cut out to secure this season's Premier League Golden Boot after Harry Kane scored 4 in Spurs' 6-1 destruction of Leicester City.

Kane now has two more Premier League goals than Everton's prolific striker, with Spurs travelling to relegated Hull City on the final day of the season, while Lukaku's Everton face Arsenal, who are still chasing a Champions League slot in the final placings.

Lukaku needs to score a hat-trick against Arsenal, just to reclaim top spot he has held for 3 months, but his lethal form has dropped way off the pace, along with that of the rest of the team, who have not performed well since successive wins against Leicester City and Burnley over a month ago.

 

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Brian Williams
1 Posted 18/05/2017 at 21:34:54
Looks like Rom will be joint top Premier League scorer at best, unless he settles a couple of argumemts and scores against Arsenal at the weekend...

Update... forget that – he's had it.

Brian Hennessy
2 Posted 18/05/2017 at 21:35:45
Kane hits four to overtake Lukaku in race for Golden Boot.
Chris Gould
3 Posted 18/05/2017 at 21:39:10
He's 2 behind now, Brian!!

Bugger, we can't use the line, "He's the Premier League's top scorer." when negotiating his price now!!

Bloody Kane. Penalties shouldn't count!!

Brian Williams
4 Posted 18/05/2017 at 21:39:19
Shit, he's scored another two since I posted. Well there goes that accolade for Rom...
Mike Green
5 Posted 18/05/2017 at 21:40:20
Well gents.... cometh the hour, cometh the man?

We shall see...

Guy Hastings
6 Posted 18/05/2017 at 21:40:46
My God, if Romelu Lukaku wasn't sulking before, I can imagine the strop he's throwing right now. And don't tell me Kane's penalties don't count. They shouldn't but they do.
Kunal Desai
7 Posted 18/05/2017 at 21:42:31
Bang goes Lukaku's golden boot, Kane will probably end up getting another hattrick against Hull anyway.
Mike Green
8 Posted 18/05/2017 at 21:44:42
Kane's played how many less games... 7?
Brian Williams
9 Posted 18/05/2017 at 21:45:26
How many penalties for Kane?
Ste Traverse
10 Posted 18/05/2017 at 21:45:31
Kane missed about about a month or 6 weeks through injury not so long ago and came back and hit the ground running; by contrast, Rom has had his usual late season drop-off so Kane deserves the Golden Boot.

I'm sure some of the Lukaku moaners on here will now be rejoicing given some of the comments about him of late.

Terry White
11 Posted 18/05/2017 at 21:46:31
Let's face it, Kane is a much better all-round player than Lukaku. We have had, I think, 2 penalties all season, one of which we missed. Don't think it would make much difference for Rom especially when I remember his penalty-taking skills from last season.

And Kane missed some time earlier in the season with an injury and has not played as many games as Lukaku. Kane deserves it playing in a much better team than us.

Kunal Desai
12 Posted 18/05/2017 at 21:55:05
Be it Rom tailed off since the Burnley game, you can't help but think if Sanchez or Kane were playing in front of our midfield there is no way they would be getting 20+ goals.

That's the difference, sadly Koeman is going to have the task of getting in at least 3 players in the summer that are able to hit double figures in terms of goals.

Kane, Son and Alli
Sanchez, Giroud and Walcott

All hitting double figures.

Peter Laing
13 Posted 18/05/2017 at 21:57:26
I'm glad that the Lukaku vanity project concerning the acquisition of the golden boot has all but gone.

Difference between Kane and Lukaku is that Kane is a team player, Lukaku plays for himself and most likely to flatter his suitors and massage his own ego. Lukaku shot himself in the foot and said he had nothing to learn from Kane - well Kane certainly got the last laugh.

And before people start saying Kane was in a better team etc in defence of Lukaku that might well be true but I also seen Suarez carry Liverpool almost single handed for 2-3 seasons and challenging at the top.

Brian Williams
14 Posted 18/05/2017 at 22:01:10
Let's not write Rom off yet. I'm sure he'll work his bollocks off and come away from the Emirates with a hat-trick to edge Kane by a single goal.

"Yes, nurse, I'll take the tablets now."

Chris Gould
15 Posted 18/05/2017 at 22:09:55
Yes, Brian,

Boro, with the pressure off their shoulders, play like men possessed and lead at Anfield.

We're 1-0 down and everything is falling into place. Then Rom switches into beast mode and destroys the Arse, scoring a perfect hat-trick, and winning the Golden Boot.

Selfish twat!

Nigel Johnson
16 Posted 18/05/2017 at 22:13:08
No chance.

I said back a month ago that Kane would be top scorer. He works his socks of for his team and scores goals from anywhere, inside or outside the box. He is a much better player than Lukaku.

Don't get me wrong: Lukaku is a good player... but doesn't finish off the season well –especially when he wants a move. This was the same thing that happened last season – no goals in the final 10 matches.

I can also see Kane scoring against Hull in the last match. To me, this shows that Lukaku is over-rated; I think Kane has even played 8 matches less.

I would take Kane over Lukaku all day long


Alasdair Mackay
17 Posted 18/05/2017 at 22:14:32
Serves him right for switching off.

Lukaku is the superior player in my eyes, but Kane has the superior attitude.

Trevor Lynes
18 Posted 18/05/2017 at 22:16:58
Obviously Peter you just dislike Lukaku and ignore his stats. None of his goals have been penalties.

Kane has scored his goals from more than double the chances that Lukaku has received and takes their penalties. Kane is surrounded by top class attacking players who often run past him and create room for him. Kane is not a one-man band, three of his team mates up front are into double figures so defenders do not just look to stop him.

Without Lukaku, we would have a negative goal difference and be half way in the league at best. Get off Rom's back and support him while we have him. I just hope the lad does not read TW as some of the destructive comments on here are ludicrous and detrimental IMO.

Ian Jones
19 Posted 18/05/2017 at 22:22:08
In his post-match interview, Kane suggested he had perhaps got a bit lazy during the game before switching on again to score 2 more. Honesty from a player. Easy when you have scored 4.
Ian Burns
20 Posted 18/05/2017 at 22:24:04
Not sure I should be saying this on TW but there is a little something inside me which says "tough titty".

I disagree, Alasdair (#15), I think Kane is a better all-round player but I agree with you with regards to Kane having a far better attitude.

Brian Williams
21 Posted 18/05/2017 at 22:28:58
I don't think Chris really meant it, Nigel. :-)
Peter Mills
22 Posted 18/05/2017 at 22:30:40
I like having Romelu Lukaku as our centre forward and would dearly like for us to keep him. He's not perfect, parts of his play frustrate me, but his goal scoring is excellent, and he will improve further.

But a bit of this news about Kane scoring 4 and overtaking him makes me quietly smile about the attitude of both players.

Martin Mason
23 Posted 18/05/2017 at 22:30:41
I watched Jamie Carragher after the match and he was talking about how Spurs can improve from now. He said they know where they need better players in a couple of positions but how do you buy them and that is the problem that Everton now face.

Having money isn't enough, it's finding players who are better than the ones you have and then getting them to come to us in the face of massive competition.

Liverpool bought a gem in Sane but gems like him rarely come along and, like Sissoko for Spurs can be a big risk. Spurs are a really good side now and are a mini-league above us now.

I believe that we'll be a very long and frustrating summer window and not necessarily the fault of the club. I'd prefer them not to buy rather than make a buy like Pogba.

Dave Older
24 Posted 18/05/2017 at 22:30:59
Unlucky, Rom... if you showed up over the last couple of months, you would have had 30 goals by now.

I have to say I would take Kane over Rom any day. Kane is consistent, Lukaku shows up when he feels like it.

So frustrating to watch is Rom, he has missed Bolasie, but that is no excuse. I wonder if we could actually get a result at Arsenal on Sunday? Maybe if he puts in a half-decent shift. It would be refreshing but I am not holding my breath...

Andy Meighan
25 Posted 18/05/2017 at 22:32:23
He won't even finish 2nd – it's a given Sanchez will bag a brace in our usual non-show at Arsenal on Sunday. Yes, Kane has bagged a few penalties... but let's be fair: Lukaku is not fit to lace his boots.

Kane has a work ethic for a striker to me that ticks every box. His running off the ball, his positional sense, his ability to score a goal out of nothing... I could go on but I'm sure you get the point.

Oh, and Kane loves playing for Spurs. Whereas, Lukaku can't wait to get away from Everton, as he's been saying for a while... well, since Day One.

Oh, I've got more news for the 𧴜 million rated striker: No-one's coming in for you. Watch this space...

Eric Paul
26 Posted 18/05/2017 at 22:33:36
The difference between Lukaku and Kane is one has a massive ego and attitude... and the other is Kane.

Lukaku "has nothing to learn from Kane"; Kane has nothing to learn from Lukaku...

Michael Lynch
27 Posted 18/05/2017 at 22:50:01
As others have said, Kane is in a much better side than Lukaku, and his total includes penalties.

Having said that, I'd rate Kane above Lukaku at the moment. He's a better all-round player. That's not to say that Lukaka couldn't overtake him in the next few years, just the way it is right now.


Nigel Johnson
28 Posted 18/05/2017 at 22:50:05
I've seen a stat saying tha, even without Lukuka's goals this season, we would have still been 7th in the table by 7 points. I don't think we will miss Lukaku as much as some think Koeman will find a different way of playing.

Lukaku will not be a big risk for Chelsea as they have other players who can get goals for them. I don't think Lukaku as an individual player will be a better player at Chelsea but as a team they will be successful because they have better players who can make up for Lukaku's shortfalls.

Stan Schofield
29 Posted 18/05/2017 at 22:51:57
Lukaku scores plenty of goals every season regardless of the team being shite. Kane has not demonstrated such ability, since he's been playing in a team that's been consistently good. If and when Kane plays in a shite team, perhaps he can learn from Lukaku.
Rob Dolby
30 Posted 18/05/2017 at 22:55:04
I hated the fact that Peter Crouch over took Tim Cahill with the most headed goals in the Premier League. I hated it when John Terry overtook Unsworth's goals for a defender record. I loved the fact that an Evertonian is the countries record goalscorer and Man Utd's scouse-hating fans highest ever goal scorer.

I don't get why some people seem pleased that the golden boot is being taken away from an Everton player by a Spurs player. It does make me wonder if half of the posters on here are actually Evertonians with some of the rubbish that is written.

Mike Green
31 Posted 18/05/2017 at 22:55:39
Not very compelling when arguments rest on if, buts and maybes.

Ask Harry Kane he just 'has'.

Kevin Rowlands
32 Posted 18/05/2017 at 22:59:43
Ste (#10), I think most of us would prefer Lukaku realists.

Let's be honest, Spurs' two stars, Kane and Ericksen, could probably play for the very top clubs like Barca, Real, Bayern... can anyone with a straight face say the same about Lukaku or Barkley?

Kane deserves the golden boot; his all-around game is light-years ahead of Lukaku. There is a zero chance Rom bags a hat-trick vs Arsenal away and Kane draws a blank against relegated Hull at home – it's over.

Stan Schofield
33 Posted 18/05/2017 at 23:01:32
Rob @30: If Kane played for Everton, it wouldn't be a surprise if there were posts on TW saying he's shite.
Mike Green
34 Posted 18/05/2017 at 23:07:40
Wednesday night – Rom's goal stats speak for themselves.

Thursday night –- hmmmm.... Rom's stats don't look so clever now.... blame his team-mates!!!

Chris Gould
35 Posted 18/05/2017 at 23:07:44
Oh, Kevin, why did you have to say that? David and Jim will be frantically typing...

Round 68... ding-ding!

Tom Bowers
36 Posted 18/05/2017 at 23:08:45
So Spurs playing in a nothing game against a poor Foxes side who had two bums in central defence. Odds on Kane was going to get a couple at least.

Rom will be hard pressed to score against a Gunners side having to go all out knowing RS have an easy one against pathetic Boro.

Still, all Rom's detractors will say all his 24 goals were lucky and he doesn't deserve the Golden Boot, or even a muddy boot, for what he has done.

Paul Birmingham
37 Posted 18/05/2017 at 23:08:46
A final twist to the Golden Boot and Kane's boots have done the talking.

The last month we have slouched which is a trait off the last few seasons, getting the beach mats out too early.

I'll not believe anything with the transfer market until it happens; this is Everton and we have had a lifetime of let-downs on and off the park.

I hope we beat Arsenal and get moving with the knowledge Bill Kenwright has pledged we can go for any player the manager wants.

Let's see what Sunday night and next week brings.

All the best to Evertonians and a good summer for us all.

Peter Warren
39 Posted 18/05/2017 at 23:12:47
Stan - if Kane played for Everton we never have kept him for 4 years, he's way too good.
Mike Green
40 Posted 18/05/2017 at 23:13:16
There's that 'if' word again
Stan Schofield
41 Posted 18/05/2017 at 23:14:06
Peter, you're assuming that he wouldn't be shite playing for Everton.
Kevin Rowlands
42 Posted 18/05/2017 at 23:20:45
'Kane can learn from Lukaku'. Stan, please I beg you, slowly step away from the keyboard now, have a cocktail, read a good book and come back on another thread.
Jason Bowen
43 Posted 18/05/2017 at 23:21:26
There goes his golden boot... and what's the bet he doesn't get the move he wants either? Selfish sod, the grass ain't always greener.
Stan Schofield
44 Posted 18/05/2017 at 23:22:35
Kevin, a cocktail? So Lukaku haters drink cocktails? I might have a pint of Guinness.
Dave Older
45 Posted 18/05/2017 at 23:22:57
Hmmm.... believe me I am a TOFFEE through and through and a lot of drivel is written on TW I have to say. I think Lukaku is an immense player on his day, absolutely frightening. However, Kane has a superior work ethic and is probably a better finisher to be honest.

I would love it if Rom could win the Golden Boot to give us fans something to smile about. Unfortunately he is going to fall short methinks. We played the mighty Swansea the other week and Rom and the rest of the team were garbage. He should be scoring hat tricks against defences like that.

Rom is a funny one. Oh for Bakayoko and Amokachi, now they were proper strikers.

Chris Gould
46 Posted 18/05/2017 at 23:24:21
Kane is a very good striker, but he isn't anything special. He is fortunate enough to play in a team that creates so many chances that 3 players have scored over 20 goals this season.

After Rom, our next highest scorer is on 4, which goes to show how few chances we create as a team. Lukaku is clinical, and would likely score 30 in that Spurs team.

Ray Robinson
47 Posted 18/05/2017 at 23:27:50
I love Rom to bits, but on a purely dispassionate basis, Kane is a better player. Yes, he plays for a better side but Tottenham's whole game isn't based around "feeding" their centre forward.

Kane works hard for the team and scores his goals despite not always being the focal point. Rom on the other hand, generally likes others to do the preparatory work.

Peter Roberts
48 Posted 18/05/2017 at 23:36:50
Chickens have come home to roost. Lukakus attitude stinks... Kane has blitzed him by carrying on even with the disappointment of losing out on the league.

Lukaku spends his time thinking about himself; Kane just thinks about winning for the team.

Maybe if he tried in those big games he would be golden boot winner and maybe we would be close to top 4.

Paul Holmes
49 Posted 18/05/2017 at 23:39:23
If Lukaku played for Spurs, he would be in the 40 goals for this Premier League season. He is a better player than Kane. Would Kane match Lukaku for goals in this 7th place Everton team? No chance!
Bob Parrington
50 Posted 18/05/2017 at 23:44:09
Let's be real about this. If his work rate was as high as Kane's is, he would likely be reasonably well ahead by now. On the other hand, Kane is fortunate to be in a team that plays a style that doesn't leave him isolated but he does work and move well and so gets in to good positions to receive the ball from the "several" Spurs players who know how to make a decent pass.

Jim Hillier
51 Posted 19/05/2017 at 00:06:06
I tell you what, people claiming to be Everton supporters who are glad if our centre forward is not going to get the golden boot need to take a look at themselves.
James Stewart
52 Posted 19/05/2017 at 00:11:20
Can't help but find it slightly pathetic from both Kane and Lukaku to be duking it out over who gets the golden boot, a meaningless award if your team doesn't actually win anything, which neither us or Spurs have done.

I don't like these individual awards, the Ballon d'Or especially, I find the whole song and dance over them cringingly narcissist. Football is a team game and the real winners are Chelsea from 1 to 11.

Kevin Rowlands
53 Posted 19/05/2017 at 00:12:42
Jim, I haven't seen one post saying anyone is glad Lukaku is not getting the Golden Boot.

In the last six Premier League games Kane has bagged six goals, Lukaku ZERO, besides being a far better all-round player, he's shown up when he needed to and got the job done.

Btw, we're not haters just realists; Kane deserves it more.

Don Alexander
54 Posted 19/05/2017 at 00:42:32
The doom-monger in me sees that Arsenal need to smack us by a minimum five goals just in case Man City lose and Liverpool win, but thank God we've now got the newly enthused, surely, second-most prolific scorer who, with a hat-trick or so, may well win the Golden Boot.

Whilst you consistently demean Everton, just think what that'll do for your next contract, Rom! Something to play for, at last!!!!

David Barks
55 Posted 19/05/2017 at 01:31:41
Reading this thread, it sounds like quite a few can't wait to go get the Spurs kit with Kane on the back. Such praise for an opposing player. And we wonder why we've sat by and watched our club fail to win the league for 30 years.

I can't imagine a Man Utd forum or Liverpool forum slating their top scorer and twisting themselves in pretzels to celebrate an opposition player's goals. It really is something to behold. Enjoy watching Kane at Wembley next season.

Pete Owen
56 Posted 19/05/2017 at 01:53:00
Serves him right, he should have actually tried in the last 4 games, it ain't so easy to shoot with flipflops on, eh, Rom?

Thanks for the goals and one season where you actually looked like the top class player you always thought you were.

Darryl Ritchie
57 Posted 19/05/2017 at 02:06:57
I think, when the dust has settled on Sunday night, there's a very good chance Lukaku will be third in goalscoring table.
Mike Gwyer
58 Posted 19/05/2017 at 02:12:53
Why all the dislike. It's a safe bet that Lukaku will be off to Chelsea in the summer and will probably be banging in the goals. With players like Hazard, Fabregas, Pedro and Willian creating chances Lukaku will be in his element; that should make most of the posters on here wank happy.

But probably not. We will be far too busy slagging off our new Josh King or Andre Gray type striker to notice what Lukaku is doing. Our next new striker will have to get used to minimal scoring chances, no width and just love playing up top on his own, like totally isolated and have two centre-backs crawling all over him.


Peter Malone
59 Posted 19/05/2017 at 02:44:32
Serves Rom right if he's slackened off at the end. Rookie error.
David Barks
60 Posted 19/05/2017 at 03:00:55
Let's give Kane the Lukaku treatment shall we.

Opening game of the season against Everton, no goals in a draw.
At home to Liverpool, no goals in a draw.
Away to Chelsea no goals in a loss.
Away to United no goals in a loss.
Home to Chelsea, no goals as a sub in a win, guess they did better without him.
Away to Man City in a draw, no goals.
Away to Liverpool no goals in another loss.
No goals in either leg against Gent, being knocked out of the Europa League. Way to bottle it when it counts.
Getting 1 goal in the 4-2 FA Cup loss to Chelsea, he should have done more.

Then he goes on a run of goals to end the season when the league has slipped and the opposition has nothing to play for.

And where was he for a England? Sending horrific free-kicks nearly sailing out of the stadium. And tell me, winning the Golden Boot in back-to-back seasons, how many trophies has his club won? Maybe if he would have tracked back more, his defense wouldn't have been so exposed in all those draws and losses where he failed to score, costing his club a chance at the league.

Christ, that was actually fun. Now I see why some do that with Lukaku.

Kevin Rowlands
61 Posted 19/05/2017 at 03:06:52
Yeh, ok David, some of us, or a lot of us who have supported Everton for most of our life, 40/50/60 years can't wait to put a Spurs shirt on next year, great post pal!
Alan J Thompson
62 Posted 19/05/2017 at 03:24:18
Counting penalties and making penalties count is just cheating! I bet Kane even runs around when he hasn't got the ball, cheat! And how many have been headers?
Brian Porter
63 Posted 19/05/2017 at 06:18:58
Kane's biggest 'crime' is the fact that, shock, horror, he runs around a lot, making himself available for other players to pass to. He works hard for the team and isn't afraid to track back and help his defence.

Perhaps Rom would be helped if they introduced a new position, let's call it Goal Striker, an American style position which sees the striker confined to an area within 25 yards of the opposition goal, a new line across the pitch to help everyone to see where he has to operate.

The Goal Striker's sole responsibility would be to avoid the offside trap (Rom would need to work on that), and get on the end of passes and crosses from his team mates and... er... Score goals! Rom would find this new position virtually tailor-made for him, but let's see how many goals people like Kane, Messi, Ronaldo etc would score if forced to play in the new position.

In case of confusion, the Goal Striker could be easily identified by having to wear a stand out shocking pink fluorescent head band, just so referees don't mix them up with ordinary players.

Just a lighthearted thought to help our Rom to be the great striker he believes himself to be.

Peter Barry
64 Posted 19/05/2017 at 06:19:56
That'll teach the lazy bastard for not really trying in the last five or six games.
Mike Green
65 Posted 19/05/2017 at 06:36:25
Brian (#63) – I knew we were years ahead of our time, we used to play this position in primary school in the late '70's. We had a different name for it though – we called it 'Goal Hanger'. Who would've known. ;-)
Ian Jones
66 Posted 19/05/2017 at 06:36:30
David @ 60...

If you are trying to suggest Kane also doesn't score goals vs the better teams, the top 6 etc, then please don't overlook Kane's:

Away goal vs Arsenal
Home goal vs Arsenal
Home goal vs Man Utd

If you have counted the last 2 goals in your para about going on a run of goals against teams with nothing to play for, then apologies. But Arsenal did have something to play for and possibly Man Utd.

What we could look at is the number of Premier League games in which Kane has scored in, which is 15 vs Lukaku's 16... I think... so clearly with one game to go Romelu is winning... if only we could have a goals per games played in award.


Si Murphy
67 Posted 19/05/2017 at 06:37:52
It served Lukaku right; if he didn't continually down tools in March this wouldn't have happened. Over the last three seasons, in 23 Everton games played in April and May, he's scored 4 goals.
John G Davies
68 Posted 19/05/2017 at 06:47:09
Kane or Lukaku?
Kane 100 times out of 100.
A far better player.
Rick Pattinson
69 Posted 19/05/2017 at 07:19:31
Oh poor Anelka... I mean Lukaku...

Best get your shooting boots on!

Duncan McDine
70 Posted 19/05/2017 at 07:21:35
Centre-forward for Everton needs hat trick against Arsenal on the final game of the season for a goal scoring record... But Rom isn't Dixie now is he?!!!
Eddie Dunn
71 Posted 19/05/2017 at 07:52:33
It will be very interesting if we get a penalty at the Emirates on Sunday. I think Baines is our taker again, but in the situation, would Rom be allowed to take one?
Tony Abrahams
72 Posted 19/05/2017 at 07:56:32
Peter Roberts, very good point; but it's not just Lukaku, it's also his team-mates, whose whole attitude stinks IMO. Koeman, took over a squad full of losers, and off the top of my head only McCarthy, and Robles, have won anything in English football, and that was just a few days before their team got relegated!

Harry Kane, can learn off Lukaku, it's obvious to me, because Kane was just a very average player, a few years ago, but his constant hard work has paid great dividends, and is also the reason Rom showed his true personality when he said he doesn't think he could learn that much watching Harry Kane. (Or words to that effect.)

Jim Bennings
73 Posted 19/05/2017 at 08:02:25
The big difference between Spurs and us as well though is they have Son, Eriksson, Kane and Dele Alli. We have Lukaku, Barkley and Mirallas.

They have mustered over 80 goals from what you would have to say is a fantastic front four. Outside Lukaku nobody else has scored more than 5 goals.

Spurs have Dele Alli scoring regularly, Eriksen who chips in and is a fine footballer. Son is a brilliant little player who I really rate and doesn't get the plaudits the others do..

Dermot Byrne
74 Posted 19/05/2017 at 08:10:22
My gut reaction, not my thoughts afterwards, to this news was "Serves you right for not working hard enough". After giving it some thought, same reaction.

What I am not able to do is assess what difference it could make to his fee. Probably sod all but who knows. And, if he stays, can we offer less? In the end the thing that has surprised me is that I feel very little about this overall.

Trevor Lynes
75 Posted 19/05/2017 at 08:11:24
I have to say I am really dismayed at the negative drivel from a lot of posters toward the best young striker we have had for donkey's years. No striker we have had in recent years comes close to Lukaku's goals tally for us since we have had him.

The stats show that he has played in every match. When the team were away on tour, he was having treatment on his calf so that he would be available for the next match. He is never in trouble off the pitch. He has had very little support up front all season yet has over 20 league goals playing in a pretty mediocre side.

I am disgusted at the lack of support for the lad from so many fans. Just compare the input of every other attacking player we have. Barkley has never scored double figures in league matches. Mirallas hit 10 in just one season since he joined us. But for Lukaku, we would be in the absolute doldrums. Get off the lads back and stop gloating that some other team's striker has a couple more goals than one of ours.

Peter Gorman
76 Posted 19/05/2017 at 08:15:29
Sorry, what exactly does Harry Kane need to do to impress some posters on here. He is an average player? Absolute nonsense.

To hell with Lukaku, if he had a fraction of Kane's desire for improvement, there would be no debate. As it stands Kane is clearly the best in the league. The only thing I can say in Rom's defence is he is not the only one to have gone missing of late. But no, sympathy in short supply...

Liam Reilly
77 Posted 19/05/2017 at 08:22:42
This "he takes penalties" rubbish is nonsense. He still had to score them.

If Rom was an assured penalty taker, he'd be taking them but he isn't.

The Tottenham side is light years ahead of ours. The energy and the way the front players press the ball so high up the pitch sets the standard, so it's no surprise that several of their forward line are in double figures.

Most decent strikers would prosper in that side, including Lukaku, but I'd suggest that it's a lot more difficult to score 24 goals with our pedestrian football. That needs to change next season.

Craig Walker
78 Posted 19/05/2017 at 08:58:50
Kane was out for weeks and when did Rom last score?

"I want Champions League football".

Kane is a lot better player than Rom; Alli is a lot better than Barkley.

Guy Hastings
79 Posted 19/05/2017 at 08:59:56
Is there a Golden Flag for the most times a player is caught offside?
Paul Tran
80 Posted 19/05/2017 at 09:09:21
Kane is a better all-round, harder-working player than Lukaku, and is surrounded by players who attack, create and score goals.

No surprise to me.

Chris Jones
81 Posted 19/05/2017 at 09:09:59
Guy (#79) – Brilliant mate, that'll have me grinning for days...
Danny Broderick
82 Posted 19/05/2017 at 09:10:27
I've got two thoughts:

Lukaku shouldn't have stated he had nothing to learn from Harry Kane. By saying what he did, he probably motivated Kane to catch him. Lukaku is the better talent, but Kane has lots of qualities that Lukaku hasn't – determination, workrate, tenacity etc. This is why he has now scored more than Lukaku.

Lukaku has done his annual disappearing act at the end of the season. He's got a casualness that Kane hasn't got. If he hadn't had his flip-flops on for the last month, he'd have had the Golden Boot sewn up by now.

Dermot Byrne
83 Posted 19/05/2017 at 09:18:17
"Lukaku is the better talent."

I just cannot see that. Hold-up play? Linking with team mates? Incisive runs? Heading the ball? Pressing from front?

Nah, he has talent but not more than many in the Premier League.

Brian Williams
84 Posted 19/05/2017 at 09:26:54
Things have turned quite bitter on here, as seems the norm these days.

Thing is, lads, both Kane and Lukaku are outstanding players. They've done the hardest thing in the premier league, or in any league to be honest, and that's score lots of goals.

I'm not a "lover" of Lukaku but I can't deny his ability. Yes he has faults but all players do.

Kane plays for another team so I immediately "don't like" him but you can't take away the fact that he's a top goal scorer (or THE top goal scorer).

Put away the bitterness and look at things from a "neutral's" point of view. They're both very good strikers.

Ernie Baywood
85 Posted 19/05/2017 at 09:29:38
I don't buy this "he's in a stronger team" argument at all. Spurs have other threats – we have one and we play our game to create goals for Lukaku. When it doesn't work, we're out of ideas.

Rom had this won a few weeks ago, just had to keep going to the end of the season. That he won't win it is because we collectively downed tools.

Stan Schofield
86 Posted 19/05/2017 at 09:30:09
Well, we don't get many opportunities to compare our team or players with others competing at the top. To those critics of Lukaku revelling in Kane's No 1 spot, enjoy it while you can.

Once Lukaku's gone, it may be a very long time before you get the chance for any such comparisons. As the old saying goes, you don't know what you've got 'til it's gone.

Martin Nicholls
87 Posted 19/05/2017 at 09:40:27
Stan (#29) – 5 in 17 for England is an example of what Kane does in a shite team! Distinctly average!

Rob (#30) – point of order! Dixie is the country's record goalscorer – not Man Utd's scouse traitor!

Ian Jones
88 Posted 19/05/2017 at 09:50:56
Putting all Romelu's strengths and weaknesses and personal thoughts aside, if Romelu goes in the summer, the world will not end.

We were recently in a position where we needed to bring in loan players. Fortunately, it seems we are now better off financially and don't necessarily need incoming loan players to strengthen our team. However, there may be another young striker out there who can't get into his own team and might be interested in coming to Everton.

Personally I would prefer permanent signings, but to be fair to Romelu (and I am not a great fan of his), the initial loan deal worked out quite well for both parties...

Alan J Thompson
89 Posted 19/05/2017 at 09:51:22
Stan (#86); "You pave paradise turns into a parking lot...".
Peter Roberts
90 Posted 19/05/2017 at 10:01:38
He may not win the golden boot but he could win the golden microphone for the most interviews about leaving... the golden flip-flop for going on holiday early. Or the golden flag as per the hilarious comment above.

Let's cut the nonsense about fans being wrong for not being bothered that he won't win the golden boot... He has worn an Everton shirt but never been an Everton player.

David Hallwood
91 Posted 19/05/2017 at 10:03:46
Whether Rom is better than Harry Kane is debatable; for what it's worth I'd swap them in a heartbeat. Kane's link up play is just in another league.

I only watched the last 20 minutes and what struck me is that, regardless of the fact it was a dead rubber, nailed on 2nd, Leicester on the beach and 4-1 up they were still pressing looking to attack. And the fitness levels... well that something else in another league.

There's little doubt that Kane's got better players around him, but he also helps himself with his movement, something that Rom for all his talents simply doesn't have.

In the last 4 games he's had 4-5 shots on target and been bullied by very average centre-backs, which I filed under "can't be arsed" – not a good attitude for someone who views himself so highly.

Alan Bodell
92 Posted 19/05/2017 at 10:04:16
Happy days are coming, people, the lump is off to pastures where he thinks he deserves to be and we'll have a replacement that actually anticipates, moves and doesn't stroll back after an attack breaks down only to be offside time and time again.
John Raftery
93 Posted 19/05/2017 at 10:16:37
For the many Lukaku detractors, the fact he was 'leading the race for the Golden Boot' was seen as an irrelevance. The fact he is no longer leading that race seems to have suddenly become very relevant and a matter for celebration.

Thankfully the views of some on this site do not reflect those of the majority of match going fans. The player has gone four games without a goal. He has not switched off. He has just had a spell without scoring goals. That happens to all strikers.

For the past 30 years we have not had a striker anywhere near winning the Golden Boot. Let's hope it is not another 30 years before we have our next contender.

Brent Stephens
94 Posted 19/05/2017 at 10:24:36
TW can be great – informative, entertaining – but this Lukaku thing has become immature and almost pointless. I scanned a few posts on this thread from the usual suspects on both sides of the argument (I count myself as a usual suspect) and unsurprisingly found no change in position or substantive argument.
Joe Clitherow
95 Posted 19/05/2017 at 10:26:11
Alan(# 92),

You sound like a Trump supporter last November 7, where there are nothing but happy days on the horizon.

The first part of your post may well come to fruition; the second part is wildly speculative with no guarantees that waving the magic transfer wand will ever happen.

I do notice though that you didn't actually mention scoring goals in your wish list for a Lukaku replacement. There's the big problem in being careful what you wish for.

The debate about whether Lukaku or Kane is the better player is completely irrelevant to me unless we are talking about whether Kane is a likely replacement for Lukaku in the Everton team, and that isn't going to happen.

Sam Hoare
96 Posted 19/05/2017 at 10:28:30
I really struggle to understand people who are so keen to see the back of Lukaku. Consistent goalscorers are VERY hard to find. I get that he can be lazy and his overall play is not top notch (though its getting better in my opinion) but nevertheless he is truly excellent at the the most important job in the game.

I'm not saying that we will fall apart without him but i'm just amazed how many people are wishing away a player who's scored almost 90 goals for us in less than twice as many games!!! That is a staggeringly good record. And he's only 24. Many players of his ilk, such as Drogba, hit their prime in their late 20s.

I don't think he's world class. I don't think he's even as good as Harry Kane. But I do think we will be VERY hard pressed to replace him with such an effective goalscorer.

Of course he has his faults as do all players (and humans) but he guarantees the currency of winning – goals. If only we could find a real livewire to provide the movement that he doesn't who also brings goals to the table. Someone like Mane for example would be the perfect strike partner for Lukaku: perpetual motion, blistering pace and very handy finishing. Add in a proper playmaker (Fabregas, Eriksen, Silva) and we might be getting somewhere.

I suspect Lukaku will be off this Summer and it will be greeted with cheers by many. I also suspect absence may make the heart grow fonder (though I thought the same about Moyes and could not have been more wrong!)

Mike Green
97 Posted 19/05/2017 at 10:32:36
These threads, which are dominating TW now and probably will for months to come, are becoming a bit like a parody of Brexit.

On one hand you have the Romainers and on the other you have, lets say, the Belgexiteers.

The Romainers are adamant Rom is a great thing. They think without Rom the team will suffer dramatically and could even collapse. It would appear that some believe anyone not sharing this opinion are a bit, let's say, dim. They warn of very hard times without Rom. They want to commit further to Rom and keep him, and say we would be mad not to.

The Belgexiteers instinctively feel something is wrong. If Rom is such a good thing, why isn't the team reaping the rewards? They still don't seem much closer to silverware and behave like a point-giving charity to the “Top 6”. In the big games, having Rom doesn't seem to help and though Rom is doing very well personally out of the service dedicated to him it isn't creating the sort of team they dream of. They think, on the whole, they would probably be better off without Rom.

To be honest I don't think the debate will stop now until either a) Rom goes; b) Rom signs a long term contract; and/or c) we get a much more balanced side where his importance isn't so exaggerated.

The truth is, unlike Brexit, we don't have a say at all. The people who do are Rom, Everton and any prospective buyers. Rom has said he wants to leave; Everton have said they want him to remain, so I guess the deciding factor is simply who wants Rom, who can match Rom's expectations and who are willing to pay for Rom. The answer to which is probably not that many.

Prepare for this one to run, and run, and run…

Rob Dolby
98 Posted 19/05/2017 at 10:46:29
Martin @ 87 – how so? Rooney has scored more goals than anyone else for his country.
Franny Porter
99 Posted 19/05/2017 at 11:26:34
Romelu has been able to use the same kit for two months now, it's still clean.
Trevor Lynes
101 Posted 19/05/2017 at 11:36:08
Very droll, Franny.

Spurs will not be selling Kane as he is so well supported there by his team mates. Of course we will be selling the best asset this club has had for years and probably we will be unloading Barkley too.

Franny probably has ideas on us signing far better players in the Poundland window. I predict a big loss of progress when Lukaku leaves. His loss will set us back and quite probably induce an exodus of our better players and possibly manager.

I honestly cannot believe that any genuine EFC fan wants Lukaku to leave.

Matthew Williams
102 Posted 19/05/2017 at 11:47:21
Let's not forget the Footballing Genius who brought him to our club in the first place!

Well said Peter Roberts #90... Alan Ball's famous quote about our beloved club means absolutely fuck all to the Belgian Lamppost.

If we can find TWO decent Strikers who can form some sort of solid partnership & share in the goals & push us on, then no one will fucking care about Lukaku... even David Barks!!!

COYB.

Gary Edwards
103 Posted 19/05/2017 at 11:51:17
Kane's goal count includes penalties. Kane also has the advantage of playing for a better team than Everton, especially in attack. Spurs get the ball into the box a lot quicker than Everton, Spurs get the ball forward a lot quicker and more directly all of which benefits Kane. Kane's goals are the end product of good work from a very good attacking team.

If you put Kane in Everton's current team and Lukaku in Spur's current team I would gladly wager a 6-figure sum that Lukaku would score more goals in a season than Kane, I'd offer Kane +5 goals and still remain confident Lukaku would score more goals than Kane.

He has his faults but there is no denying Lukaku is a top class goalscorer. Put him in a team that play quality balls for him to run onto and / or knock a lot of fast paced balls into the box and he'll thrive. It's no wonder he wants off as Everton don't do either very well; instead we expect him to hold the ball up with his back to goal and conjure something from that – something that he's not good at and consequently doesn't want to do.

Our U23s play a brand of football that would suit Lukaku, ie, hard hit balls into the IR & IL channels.

There are still elements of Martinez in the 1st XI's attacking play which needs to be eliminated and I think this can only be achieved by getting rid of those players who seem unable to rid themselves of bad habits / old ways and replace them with more energetic, stronger, progressive players.

Jim Hardin
104 Posted 19/05/2017 at 11:56:23
Peter Roberts (#90),

Bowing to your presumed superior knowledge about all things "Everton" how exactly does one tell that a player listed on the squad for Everton, who plays for Everton, and has never said a bad word about Everton (it seems his ambition is a bad thing to you) is not then an "Everton player?"

Please Peter tell me how you can determine this? Is it a blood test? a DNA test? A written test on all things Everton?

I thought all players wearing the jersey deserved the title and the actual criticism of a player would be related to a focus on whether he was too old or injury prone, or lacked necessary skill? I didn't know it was something different.

Barkley seems to be an "Evertonian" but he is running down his contract, which would seem to be detrimental to his sell-on value and therefore not something an "Everton player" would do, right? Stones put in a transfer request and still was lauded as the proper kind of player for Everton by some.

Being glad that a player doesn't win an individual accolade while playing for the team (including those not wanting him to win PFA of the year and being happy when he didn't) seems distinctly "un-Evertonian" to me.

So how does it work Peter? I am sure the answer is easy and can be expressed simply by you regarding the qualifications of an "Everton player" versus a player playing for Everton so as to know which is subject to being slagged off? I am sure you see the answer in clear and concise black-and-white terms that some of the rest of us who see Royal Blue do not. If not, at least give us a list so we can know.

Peter Roberts
105 Posted 19/05/2017 at 12:00:39
Seriously... stop trying to justify lukaku over Kane... it's embarrassing.

Kane's missed 3 months of the season... shares his goals with Dele Alli... works his plums off... links up play... can control the ball.

No comparison..

Derek Thomas
106 Posted 19/05/2017 at 12:01:42
I'd take Kane over Lukaku, 7 days a week and twice on Sunday. They're both goal scorers, yes. But as somebody else said 'Lukaku has no nuisance value' when he's not scoring and when he's in this "can't be arsed" state; though it has to be said he's not been alone with the flip-flops for the last few games – he's no more than a very expensive Big Vic.
Kevin Rowlands
107 Posted 19/05/2017 at 12:14:45
Mike (#97), very clever post but I really don't think it's that complicated.

Lukaku is a good goalscorer, he is also a very average footballer who has a huge ego and thinks he's way better than he actually is. Take a look at these threads, he's way too divisive and it wouldn't surprise me one bit if the feelings about him on here are also mirrored at the club and in the dressing room. Everton as a club and team will be better off when he's gone.

Peter Barry
108 Posted 19/05/2017 at 12:16:24
You know where Everton would have finished this year without Lukaku?

SEVENTH – that's where.

Jay Wood
109 Posted 19/05/2017 at 12:16:46
Bizarre. Truly bizarre.

I'm old school, me. I relish each and every success bestowed on Everton. Angst over any and every setback.

I celebrate joyously every goal Everton scores, whether it is a worldy, bounces in off someone's arse or is an oggie. I don't care WHO scores it. I absolutely LOVE IT when Everton scores. I groan at every goal we suffer.

I find some supporters' evident loathing and obsession with Lukaku perverse. Some on here have gone so far to state that they NEVER celebrate a Lukaku goal. A few on here contrive to discount his goals in assessing his abilities.

I can only conclude from that that as long as Lukaku plays (and in particular) scores goals for Everton, a small group of supporters will be incapable of the pure joy they should feel whenever their team scores. Such is their forensic attention to Lukaku during a game, it leaves them incapable of fully engaging and enjoying the game and team performance as a whole.

I'm aware my 50+ years as an Evertonian is an obsession unlike any other in my life. But it is a healthy obsession. I take JOY in following, supporting – and defending – my team, its players, its managers.

My devotion is not blind. I am able to see the failings of the club and its representatives, both on and off the pitch. However, I don't turn into a screaming hysterical banshee as a result.

By contrast, those supporters who loath Lukaku and obsess over him, this impacts and jeopardizes on their ability to take enjoyment from following their team.

We have a player who – for the first time in 30 years for Everton – is close to landing the PL's Golden Boot reward, which reflects well on the club and – yes! – the player.

Yet as this thread demonstrates, we have posters IN game and immediately post game CELEBRATING that he has been overhauled in the chase for the Golden Boot.

As I say, that is bizarre and perverse, IMO.

Kevin Rowlands
110 Posted 19/05/2017 at 12:32:30
Jay, complete bullshit but not suprising coming from you. All I've read on this thread is posters pointing out the obvious, Kane is a better player than Lukaku, has scored more goals whilst playing less games and deserves the award more.

As for saying that some of us don't celebrate an Everton goal because he scores it? Stop making things up.

John Raftery
111 Posted 19/05/2017 at 12:33:37
Jay (109) Well said, mate. You have summed up my feelings precisely.
Ian Hollingworth
112 Posted 19/05/2017 at 12:34:55
I don't think people are celebrating Lukaku losing the golden boot to Kane. I think it is more venting frustration in that, if Lukaku put the effort in that Kane does then just think where his personal records could be and more importantly where Everton FC could be.

Lukaku frustrates us for many reasons – attitude, ability and constant references to wanting to be at a bigger club and win trophies.

If Everton FC have the big ambitions that they hint at having, then we need the players who have the ambition and the willingness to go on that journey with Everton FC. Sadly, I think Rom has decided he does not want to.

Chris Williams
113 Posted 19/05/2017 at 12:36:10
Kevi,

I think he was voted Players Player of the Year, which doesn't seem to indicate too much antipathy in the dressing room. Either that or players letting their heads rule their hearts I guess.

Ian Hollingworth
114 Posted 19/05/2017 at 12:41:20
Or maybe we didn't have too many options for Player of the Year?
Kevin Rowlands
115 Posted 19/05/2017 at 12:43:52
Chris, I know he was, doesn't mean every player voted for him though, does it? He'd probably get posters' Player of the Year on here, that doesn't mean everyone who posts would agree with that.
Alan Bodell
116 Posted 19/05/2017 at 12:49:28
Joe (#95), with all due respect, mate, a fucking traffic cone would convert 95% of his goals for us. Tally good, effort woeful.
Eric Myles
117 Posted 19/05/2017 at 12:54:18
Chris (#46), we have, I think, 18 different goalscorers over the course of the season though.
Kim Vivian
118 Posted 19/05/2017 at 13:17:33
I was well gutted by that result last night. A sublime display by Spurs and demonstration by Kane how to be a centre-forward.

With the Golden Boot the only thing approaching a trophy that the first team are in with a shout for we should go all out for it against Arsenal. The team as a whole will be behind Rom and with the result a total irrelevance everything should be geared to getting a hat-trick for Rom. I honestly don't care if we ship 6 or 7 goals so long as we get Rom the Golden Boot.

No doubt we will start with a back 4 and 3 defensive midfielders with Rom isolated up front hoping for service from Ross and An Other as usual, but an all-out attacking effort against a fragile Arsenal is the minimum we should expect.

One can but hope.

Ste Traverse
119 Posted 19/05/2017 at 13:30:17
Everton 'fans' openly celebrating the fact an opposing player has leapfrogged one of our own in the goalscoring table.

What a complete shower of beauts you are.

Tom Bowers
120 Posted 19/05/2017 at 13:36:15
Why does everyone compare Kane to Lukaku in a bad way as if Rom was totally to blame for Everton not being a better team? Let it go guys.

Everton have had some young protege's who didn't have the manager, or the squad or the money to bring them along. Coutinho has been Liverpool's stand-out player all season but we don't compare him nor Messi or Ronaldo.

The point is that Rom. is a top proven goalscorer and will continue to be either at Goodison or elsewhere. Nobody really cares about Golden boot or any other awards for that matter. When your team is at the top you get these awards.

Personally I don't think Everton would have done any better this season with Kane leading the line instead of Rom. Everton have had a fair season under a new manager despite some bad injuries to key players that have allowed some youngsters to get some invaluable experience which should bode well for next season.

Phil Walling
121 Posted 19/05/2017 at 13:36:44
I bet on Romelu getting Golden Boot sometime ago and then he went on his holidays! But he's our Romelu for the present so just taken 8/5 against him hitting the net just one more time before he waves us goodbye!
Don Alexander
122 Posted 19/05/2017 at 13:43:54
Jay (#109), – your comment:

"My devotion is not blind. I am able to see the failings of the club and its representatives, both on and off the pitch. However, I don't turn into a screaming hysterical banshee as a result."

That is something I identify with but, albeit he's not necessarily a screaming, hysterical banshee when he does it, Lukaku is the polar opposite when he speaks as he does to the media about Everton being inadequate for his talent and that's what really pisses off so many other genuine fans.

That's no way a slight on you either by the way!

Sean Patton
123 Posted 19/05/2017 at 13:44:05
If Kane is so great, perhaps one of his numerous fans on here can enlighten me as to why he has never scored in an international tournament?

Lukaku has done for Belgium, of course, yet still got slagged to high heaven; then again, he has a great midfield supplying him – a bit like a certain cockney at club level.

Peter Cummings
124 Posted 19/05/2017 at 13:50:47
To be fair, the game support for Rom has been abysmal; far too often he has been isolated with little or no service from the wings and swarmed by defenders when he does get the ball.

Admittedly because of his tendency to go missing in crucial games and his talk about moving on hasn't endeared him to those who pay his wages, so winning the Golden Boot, which is highly unlikely now anyway, is hardly relevant, except to himself.

Only one thing matters, will any of the Premier League 'elite' pay the £100M price tag for his services??

Liam Reilly
125 Posted 19/05/2017 at 13:52:19
So your basically betting that he'll be an Everton player next season, Phil?

I'm not relishing Sunday when the Arse have to win by a rout to have any chance of overtaking Man City.

i can't believe it's not been picked for the box on Sunday. Even the extra live game in Ireland is fuckin' Chelsea - Sunderland. Poor form.

Alan Bodell
126 Posted 19/05/2017 at 14:06:13
I'm at a loss here with all these shouting how great the lump is and deriding us that actually go to the game and watch his idleness.

All about opinions, eh? Let me hear some opinions that actually go then, coz where I sit, you Lukaku lovers are not anywhere near me.

Peter Gorman
127 Posted 19/05/2017 at 14:10:20
Steve @119 – what a complete beaut you are for not knowing the difference between 'openly celebrating' and pointing out the bleeding obvious.
Michael Penley
128 Posted 19/05/2017 at 14:12:19
Most of Lukaku's goals are tap-ins anyway. I could do what he does.
Peter Gorman
129 Posted 19/05/2017 at 14:16:19
But we need more movement off the ball from you, Michael.
Brent Stephens
130 Posted 19/05/2017 at 14:19:29
Matches him for sulks, though?
Ian McDowell
131 Posted 19/05/2017 at 14:20:45
I think its imperative we keep Lukaku. Scoring goals is the hardest part of football and replacing Lukaku's goals will be impossible.

You only have to look at on how many occasions during the past 25 years have we had a player amongst the top 3 highest scorers in the league.

Kevin Rowlands
132 Posted 19/05/2017 at 14:30:39
Alan – spot on.

In this thread alone we have been accused of celebrating him being overtaken in the golden boot race, told Kane could learn from Lukaku, told we can't wait to put on our Spurs shirts next season, informed Kane is nothing special, told it's the fans fault he's stank the joint recently because of abysmal fan support, told Lukaku has been great for Belgium, accused of being bizarre because we don't celebrate Everton goals when he scores with no evidence whatsoever to back that accusation up, told we don't engage and enjoy our games because we're obsessed with him, told Kane couldn't score in a shit side, and ridiculed for pointing out what's plainly obvious.

The list of bullshit excuses and nonsense to defend him is endless.

Mike Green
133 Posted 19/05/2017 at 14:38:40
Ian (#131) – replacing his goals won't be impossible. We just need a striker who can get into double digits and a couple of midfielders who can score half-a-dozen each.
Brent Stephens
134 Posted 19/05/2017 at 14:42:49
Mike (#133): "replacing his goals wont be impossible. We just need a striker who can get into double digits and a couple of midfielders who can score half-a-dozen each".

So that might take us no further than we are now in terms of scoring goals? I like the ambition. I assume the new striker would be saying nice things about us, and be a pretty player.

Mike Green
135 Posted 19/05/2017 at 14:47:14
Brent (#134) – I was responding to the assertion that replacing his goals would be "impossible", which they clearly wouldn't be given your take on how unambitious securing that tally would be. But thank you for supporting my point, much appreciated.
Ste Traverse
136 Posted 19/05/2017 at 15:09:22
Peter (#127)

Beauts like your good self ARE 'celebrating' Lukaku missing out on the Golden Boot as it gives you and your ilk another chance to gleefully stick the 'boot' into him.

Jim Knightley
137 Posted 19/05/2017 at 15:19:48
Kane is a wonderful striker, and as I stated in a post in another thread in which I incessantly defended Lukaku, for 'my money the best out-and-out striker in the league'. Let's not pretend that he is perfect, he doesn't for example have the pace that Lukaku does, but he is a wonderful striker who can break all kinds of goal-scoring records. Spurs will struggle to hold onto him – He is great in the air, he can run at players and he is superb with both feet. He scores all kinds of goals. He reminds me a lot of Lewandowski v a traditional striker with no clear weaknesses but for a lack of pace.

But that does make Lukaku a lesser striker – Kane has played in a much better team. He has more chances, takes pens, and shoots a lot more than Lukaku. I'd much prefer Eriksen and Alli playing behind me, than Barkley and Mirallas/Calvert-Lewin. We unfortunately are Everton – we've finished 11th, 11th and now 7th in the previous three seasons. We can't surround Lukaku with players of his quality – Lukaku is simply better than our other attacking players. He might have weaknesses to his game, but he has not scored 24 league goals (no pens) for the seventh best team in this division without being very very good. He hasn't assisted six goals, just as he did last season, without being able to pass. And he is not as lazy as some of the exaggerated criticisms make out. He has been the third best striker to play through the middle this season in my opinion – behind Kane, and Sanchez, who has been wonderful even if he has disappeared a little in the big games (not his fault in my opinion but those around him).

If Lukaku goes, we will not replace his goals. He has destroyed various longstanding records for us in only four years, and is our highest Premier League scorer for a reason. It's a source of embarrassment that all those goals came before his 24th birthday – embarrassing because the over-criticised Lukaku is by far our most effective striker in the Premier League era. That says much about why and for how we have been floundering at the wrong end of the table. This makes the criticism of him even more startling – and a little odd in the context of fan-bases around the country. Diego Costa, despite struggling after Christmas, despite disappearing for a large chunk of last season, and despite clearly wanting to leave in the summer and in January, hasn't received such vitriol from Chelsea fans. Vardy, despite dropping off considerably this season, hasn't from Leicester fans either. Benteke, who makes Lukaku look like a hard worker, hasn't come in for the same extent of irritation and criticism so abundant on these forums.

It's odd – we might have a big history, but we've been a mid-table team, or thereabouts, over the past 3 seasons. Our average over the course of the Premier League era is also mid-table. We havent had the financial means of even a mid-table club. Yet, apparently, Lukaku, who has scored 24 league goals, is 'overrated', 'a Belgium lampost', 'lazy fat arse lump' with an 'inability to properly trap, head or pass the ball', with in fact 'lamentable, truly awful' passing who is 'constantly being caught offside'. (All quotes taken from this thread and the Sandro thread). He also isn't that good, apparently, because he hasn't won anything for Belgium. The logic and nature of the some of the posts about him have been exaggerated beyond all reality, and border on the perverse at points (in what world is he fat?!)

I don't understand the hatred – it's bizarre. We cried out for a striker for so long who could finish chances – Yakubu got less stick early on, and he truly was a lazy (and a little fat by the end). Is it really just because he has spoken about leaving/wanting Champions League football? Really? In the modern game where footballers habitually speak about such things.... Where 21-year-old Alli comes out after two seasons of top 4 football and title challenges, and refuses to rule out a move away? Where Sanchez and Ozil don't sign contracts – where the likes of Lescott just stop playing to force through moves. Where players move to rivals after claiming they are going to stay (Sol), even after coming through youth set-ups and proclaiming their love for the cub (Once a blue always a blue). Look at the actions of various Southampton players. Look at Payet. Lukaku is hardly unique is he? - players worse than him and better than him do the same.

These posts are disconcerting. There is a troubling dislike for Lukaku, and I'm unconvinced by my various attempts to understand the extent of it. Something is clear though – the very fans who evidently dislike Lukaku for daring to think that he is better than he is (which is a doubtful claim – someone with his goalscoring record in domestic and international football deserves a shot at the Champions League) think we are better than we are. You need to wake up – we've not had a striker comparable to Lukaku in a very very long time.

We are not the Everton of the 80s anymore. Our recent signings were a youngster from the lower divisions, a Man Utd reject (Albeit in my opinion a superb player), an ageing cb from a relegation threatened side, an inefficient winger from a mid-table side, and a defensive midfield (again, a superb player) from a relegated side. We can't attract Suarez, Neymar, Messi, Lewandowski, Kane or Sanchez – who do you think we are?! We have a player who has returned 24 league goals, who has managed 42 in the last two seasons, who has outscored everyone bar Kane during that period, who is only just 24, but so many threads focus not on his good aspects, but exaggerate his bad?

What the fuck is wrong with some of you? It's 2017 not 1986 – which, by the way, was the last time someone in an Everton shirt scored more goals than Lukaku.

Kevin Rowlands
138 Posted 19/05/2017 at 15:21:34
Ste, it's a pity beauts like you don't have an issue with him when he's demeaning our club, players and fans in his all to often press conferences, yet jump all over fellow fans by making false claims in your pathetic defense of him.
Don Alexander
139 Posted 19/05/2017 at 15:45:43
Koeman in a presser said a few weeks ago that he was wanting to sign players (plural) to increase the goal threat beyond Lukaku. If he's successful, hallelujah. If we lose Lukaku but get a replacement who scores maybe 18 (no easy task admittedly) plus others who carry more goal threat, great.

Opponents having to deal with real goal threat from sources other than one self-absorbed non-combatant who seems to go missing as and when he feels like it will not, to anyone who watches football, be able to attack us with anything like the abandon they currently do – (a) because they're worried about our various goal threats and (b) because they might be unable to even get the ball over the halfway line due to having been tackled or pressed.

Kevin Rowlands
140 Posted 19/05/2017 at 15:59:19
There's nothing wring with us Jim, I will explain the dislike, NOT hatred, very simply without writing a novel like you, we watch his half assed lazy performances for the most part, we then witness his international break press conference's, that's it my friend.
Stan Schofield
141 Posted 19/05/2017 at 16:20:35
It's seems a bit odd to me, that a thread to do with a battle between our striker and another striker for the golden boot award, just turns into yet another opportunity for critics of our striker to criticise him.

This would not necessarily be odd if the criticisms weren't basically rehashes of what's been said by those critics multiple times before. So there's nothing new here, which is of course what turns Lukaku threads into tedium.

Most of us have received the messages that Lukaku is a lazy arse, not fit to lace Kane's boots, etc etc. to the point where we can pretty much regurgitate word for word. So just for the sake of a change, to freshen things up so to speak, it would be interesting to hear some criticisms that haven't been voiced multiple times before.

I for one am all ears. Over to you fellas.

Martin Nicholls
142 Posted 19/05/2017 at 16:37:07
Alan (#126) – are you inferring that the majority of those who go to the match don't rate Lukaku? I go home (Upper Gwladys, I believe near where Eugene sits) and away and find that a bizarre claim given the vast numbers who sing his name when he scores or even goes close.

For the record, I agree with most of the criticisms levelled at him but nevertheless would still prefer him to stay.

Chris Williams
143 Posted 19/05/2017 at 16:38:05
Nothing left to be said, Stan.

Same with Barkley.

Martin Nicholls
144 Posted 19/05/2017 at 16:39:34
Stan (#141) – how about "he looked much better with dreadlocks"? That's a new one, I think!
Mike Green
145 Posted 19/05/2017 at 16:40:16
Stan (#141) – the other side of the coin is maybe – just maybe – you could respect that other people's opinions are just as valid as your own. Then they wouldn't have to keep repeating themselves and things could tick along nicely.
Stan Schofield
146 Posted 19/05/2017 at 16:48:15
Mike, yes, but respect is not the issue here. The issue is repetition. It would just be interesting to see something different.
Kevin Rowlands
147 Posted 19/05/2017 at 16:52:20
Stan, how about giving us more than 'he scores goals' to warm up to the lad.
Mike Green
148 Posted 19/05/2017 at 17:01:32
Okay Stan, fair enough – to try and move onto a positive spin and something different – if you had to build a Golden Boot Striker out of Kane, Lukaku and Sanchez, which attributes would you take of Lukaku's ?

I would take strength, pace and power running in on goal; he invariably hits the target when he gets a shot off, and his devastating finishing when it's at its most accurate and powerful.

How about you?

Jim Knightley
149 Posted 19/05/2017 at 17:10:05
To be fair, Kevin, he has contributed a good amount of assists too and I've pointed that out multiple times.

I understand some of the frustration, but I think Lukaku is not alone in that respect. Plenty of strikers don't work hard and most don't score as many as Lukaku. What's odd is the peculiar failure to acknowledge that at all by his critics.

Much of the support has represented this, but those going against him seem to ignore that some of the best strikers in world football now and in the past have done little off the ball. Lukaku doesn't work as hard as a Firmino or Tevez or Suarez but he puts in more of a shift than the likes of Aguero and Higauin.

Why is this continually ignored?

We have 11 players – I don't agree that the striker has to work hard for an entire match. In fact, I think that's detrimental to the ability to score goals sometimes, especially in those whose fitness is less (and not all players have the same level of fitness – Ozil, Hazard and Aguero do not and cannot work as hard as Sanchez, Kante, and Jesus).

Lukaku has aspects of his game that he can improve – he can bully people more, he can improve his link-up play (although it has got better), and he can work harder off the ball. But the main point of a striker is to score goals. We've had plenty of strikers who don't work off the ball and score less (Saha and Yakubu for example) and plenty who work hard and score less (Naismith stands out), but no-one as good as Lukaku.

If we had had him in one of our best sides – when Arteta, Pienaar and Cahill were at the top of their game, and our defence was much improved, I think we could have got Champions League football or a cup that eluded us. Goals are the vital commodity in football – that's why he will be and is linked to a variety of big clubs, and why in my opinion he will make a big move to Chelsea.

Once again though – I think diminishing Lukaku so fervently, when he has smashed so many scoring records, is even more bizarre given our status. It's not all about goals, but it's a lot about goals, and that's the reason why the biggest transfer fees in history were paid for attacking midfielders and strikers rather than goalkeepers. Notably, not a lot on that list are not known for their defensive and pressing work. :D

Tom Bowers
150 Posted 19/05/2017 at 17:12:55
Some people here criticizing Rom's weaknesses are ridiculous. You want perfection, forget it.

The nearest I have seen to a complete player offensively is Messi in his prime and he can still do a pretty good impression now.

Highlighting Kane now after scoring 4 in a nothing game against makeshift centre-backs is nothing to go on. Get real, you guys.

Peter Gorman
151 Posted 19/05/2017 at 18:00:19
So now it is just those 4 goals we are evaluating Kane on? 'Get real'
Kevin Rowlands
152 Posted 19/05/2017 at 18:06:07
You know what's ridiculous, Tom? Having a go at fellow Evertonians who point out his obvious flaws and are unhappy at him disrespecting our club many times these past few years.
Stan Schofield
153 Posted 19/05/2017 at 18:07:52
Mike@148: I'm not looking for a positive spin for the sake of it. But I agree with that list of qualities. In addition, his hold-up play and control have improved, and his work rate. He still needs improvement, and he says so himself.

I don't wish to be too critical of repetition, since I'm guilty of it myself. But I think when it comes to Lukaku it goes so far as to dominate threads to the extent that the various threads meld into one, which can detract from focusing on the particular themes.

Everton have been mediocre for more than two decades, yet when we play badly or just lose a game, it seems that Lukaku and Barkley get the brunt, as if they're supposed to be saviours brought here from on high to restore us to our former glory. When they do eventually go elsewhere, I wonder who else will take the blame.

Mike Green
154 Posted 19/05/2017 at 18:35:17
Stan (#153)– I read a thing the other day by a guy who had tragically lost his son at a very young age. He said that he'd come to the conclusion that where reality falls short of expectation that's where you will find unhappiness, and vise versa. He was understandably very unhappy because reality had not lived up to what would be quite normal expectations.

I am in no way comparing his situation to how we may feel about Rom and Ross but it may explain what you are describing. Our expectations for both Rom and Ross are high (due to the ability they have shown, the way they have been talked up by the media and in one of their cases by themselves, by pundits, other pro's, fans etc.)

So when they fail to meet those expectations supporters become more unhappy with them than less able players and we get threads like this going around in circles, gnawing away at the point because we feel we are being short-changed, when in reality they're probably both doing their very best, which unfortunately isn't as good as we've fooled ourselves to expect.

Brent Stephens
155 Posted 19/05/2017 at 18:36:18
These Lukaku threads are immature in the extreme. People just looking to have the last word. I scan them quickly to see if I can actually learn anything new – sadly that rarely happens.

Can't we discuss something we can agree on? Trump, say?

Peter Gorman
156 Posted 19/05/2017 at 18:56:28
Sorry Brent, can't allow you to have the last word.

Stan, I suppose it is fair to ask for a relatively new criticism of Lukaku and I'm not sure how extensively it has been covered but I personally believe his net contribution to the team is to its detriment.

We are set up to attack almost exclusively through him which is all fine and dandy when he can be bothered and is evidenced in the paucity of goals contributed by the midfield (compared to a team like, I don't know, Spurs).

As he doesn't bring others into play very well (for those oft repeated reasons) he is stifling our threat from midfield. As we've all probably noted lately, when he is not in the game we don't carry much threat. Though that is not to excuse all others.

I don't believe it is heresy to ponder whether or not a more mobile, selfless player (dare I mention Kane as an example) might actually benefit the team more than Rom.

Phil Walling
157 Posted 19/05/2017 at 19:07:10
Brent, we can all agree that we would wish our Club to be seen as something more than 'also-rans'!

Whilst we got excited when Martinez seemed to have broken the glass ceiling, it was a mirage as we flopped in the seasons that followed. Now some see Koeman's '7th' finish as a sign we are about to 'trouble the big boys' although there is a chasm as between Chelsea's 1st and what Everton has achieved this season.

As ever, there is a general assumption that next season will see an incremental improvement on our finishing position. But, and it's a big but, history tells us we are just as likely to see us back in the ranks of those who just make up the numbers.

For certain the loss of both Barkley and Lukaku and their replacement with the kind of iffy quality Koeman and Walsh have landed us with to date will result in us falling back into mid-table and yet another 'great' manager's bubble will be burst.

So, given the choice, I'd feel happier with staying with what we've got without having to find out that even more 'brilliant' signings are not quite what they were reputed to be!

Brent Stephens
158 Posted 19/05/2017 at 20:29:21
Peter #156 - nice one! (Sorry, that's not meant as the last word - God, this could go on years!).
Rob Halligan
159 Posted 19/05/2017 at 20:35:47
I've had a good laugh reading all these anti-Lukaku posts, but Peter Barry (#108), seriously mate, you need to step back and have a look at yourself in the mirror. I would be embarrassed posting what you posted.

Without Lukaku's 24 goals, yes that's 24 goals, we would still be in 7th position. What utter garbage.

Dan Egerton
160 Posted 19/05/2017 at 21:12:11
"Without Lukaku, we would have a negative goal difference and be half way in the league at best."

No we would still be seventh.

Rob Halligan
162 Posted 19/05/2017 at 21:24:45
Watching the Scottish Premier League play-off game between Falkirk and Dundee United. Falkirk were winning 1-0, but now it's 1-1. However take away the Dundee goal, and it's still 1-0 to Falkirk.
Stan Schofield
163 Posted 19/05/2017 at 21:32:30
Just to point out, regarding the conjectured "What would have happened without Lukaku?" the fact is that nobody knows. Without him, games would have been different, and we know not whether the differences would have given us a lower, higher, or the same league position.

This is because football games, like life, are too complex, with numerous interdependent factors, to say with any confidence what would have happened if any of those factors were changed. For example, if we go 1-0 down, and finish winning 3-1, some folks would say that if we hadn't conceded the goal we would have won 3-0, when in fact we don't know what the score would have been. Because the whole course of the game would have been different if the goal hadn't been conceded.

By the same token, beyond a bit of entertainment, it's futile to conjecture what we would be like if Kane played for us instead of Lukaku, or Lukaku instead of Kane for Spurs. All such things are mere guesswork.

All we know is that we have a striker who scores a lot of goals, a number comparable with the best. We don't know how we would fare with replacements for him, beyond knowing that Everton would go on, as Everton always does. Aside from this, we can 'reasonably expect' Lukaku to continue scoring lots of goals for us if he stays. We're not certain if this, but we can 'reasonably expect' it based on recent experience.

I would prefer to minimise uncertainty. We don't have Kane, Aguero, et al (and we never will), but we do have Lukaku, and if we wish, we can retain him for two more seasons. Whether you like him, loathe him, or are somewhere between those extremes, surely minimising uncertainty, and building on what we have, is the most rational way forward?

Brent Stephens
164 Posted 19/05/2017 at 21:41:04
Dan (#160) – you say that without Lukaku we'd still be seventh. Who would have been playing instead of Lukaku?
Rob Halligan
165 Posted 19/05/2017 at 21:44:54
Exactly my point, Stan. One team could be battering another team, and it's 0-0 at half-time. People could say it should be about 3-0 or 4-0. However, if the first chance goes in, the odds are the second, third or fourth chance don't come along, because the whole pattern of play is different.

So Lukaku's 24 goals don't matter. A player scores 24 goals, and this does not make a blind bit of difference to where we finish in the league? I give up. Now I know why people get so agitated on this forum. The utter shite that is posted.

Rob Halligan
166 Posted 19/05/2017 at 21:52:35
Brent, I think you, me and Stan are all singing from the same hymnbook. I seriously wouldn't bother my arse anymore.

Lukaku has been our best goalscorer for years. Should we lose him, then it won't matter, because we will still finish in the same position, whatever that may be, because his goals won't matter.

Paul Tran
167 Posted 19/05/2017 at 22:02:55
We haven't had a good striker for years. We now have one, who while not perfect, scores goals consistently, despite poor service. He is slated. His goals are an apparent irrelevance. He is lazy and feckless, despite having superb assistance from the likes of Mirallas and Barkley. He won't sign a contract despite having two years left. Many are outraged.

We have a midfielder who has been promising for years and is woefully inconsistent. He has been 'misunderstood' by three Everton managers and three England managers. He is apparently ill-served by the lack of support and movement around him. He won't sign a contract, despite having only one year left and being 'one of us'. He gets a free pass.

I know who I'd rather keep.

Jer Kiernan
168 Posted 19/05/2017 at 22:03:27
I don't like Lukaku but he is a top striker and always a threat. I think he lost focus this year which cost him in form... however, I believe Everton is his level and a good fit for him. He should stay with us another season at least and then decide.

Kane is a top lad great work/team ethic /attitude and I am glad to see he will get the Top Scorer accolade; it may just humble Rom somewhat too.

Darren Hind
169 Posted 19/05/2017 at 22:17:05
Rob And Paul T

Not going to disagree, but whether it be six months or a year, Lukaku will soon be gone and, if the manager does not find a way to get 7th place without him, he will probably be out on his arse.

Something has to change.

Rob Halligan
170 Posted 19/05/2017 at 22:17:57
I agree, Paul. I'd definitely keep Lukaku before Barkley. Isn't Barkley our joint second highest goalscorer with 4 goals?

Wow, the team in 7th who's leading goalscorer has 4 goals. Some going, that.

Mike Green
171 Posted 19/05/2017 at 22:21:33
Ah well. Thank God the Kevin Rowland's Hymn Book's out there.

Good night folks.

Rob Halligan
172 Posted 19/05/2017 at 22:22:01
It's sir to you, Darren. 😁😁😁
Darren Hind
173 Posted 19/05/2017 at 22:25:09
Only when we are face to face, Rob.

Rob Halligan
174 Posted 19/05/2017 at 22:26:05
Okay, mate. First pint's on you!!
Kevin Rowlands
175 Posted 19/05/2017 at 22:37:53
Rob (#159), I think you should of contacted Jim Knightley, our resident stat and data guru, before making a fool of yourself.
Paul Tran
176 Posted 19/05/2017 at 22:38:00
Yes Darren, something has to change. Like a decent keeper, two midfielders who can pass, shoot & score, plus at least one striker who knows what he's doing.

And if Koeman doesn't get them and we don't progress, he'll be out and AN Other will be in.

He's done the easy bit by making the team more solid, now he has to get players who can win games and maybe even entertain us a bit.

I think we'll have a good idea by the start of the season and you may have more evidence for your existing ones!

Dave Abrahams
177 Posted 19/05/2017 at 22:38:39
Dave Prentice explains in The Liverpool Echo tonight why we would have still finished seventh without Lukaku's goals. He says that we would have been nine points worse off because Lukaku's goals were not needed in some games he scored in.

Other scorers made the wins possible without Rom's goals; only in games like Sunderland away where he scored three, thus gaining us the three points, did Lukaku's goals count.

You would have to read the article, you most probably don't understand it the way I'm explaining it.

Dave Prentice is pro-Lukaku, by the way.

Rob Halligan
178 Posted 19/05/2017 at 22:42:40
Ha, Kevin (#175). I don't think I'm the one who's made a fool of meself. Though there are several on this thread who most definitely have.
Mike Green
179 Posted 19/05/2017 at 22:49:16
Dave (#177) – thank you for putting that up, I was going to but thought better. It's a more than fair and interesting point.

(In other news - Dartmouth and G K Chesterton 15/1 double today – back in the game :-)

Sleep well.

Kevin Rowlands
180 Posted 19/05/2017 at 22:53:11
Rob, you stated in that very post that, without Lukaku's goals, it was 'utter garbage' that we would still have finished 7th when that is a proven fact – do your homework next time!
Stan Schofield
181 Posted 19/05/2017 at 23:01:36
Kevin, a point associated with what I said @163 is that, if Lukaku's goals are taken away, it does not mean that the games played would have the scores they did have minus Lukaku's goals. If Lukaku had not scored his goals, the course of the relevant games would have been different and the results unknown.

This is why it is a futile exercise to attempt to show what difference arises from subtracting specific goals. Without the 24 goals from Lukaku, nobody knows what league position we would have finished at.

Gavin Johnson
182 Posted 19/05/2017 at 23:03:42
Dave, I've not read the article but it sounds pretty clear what Prentice is saying: That Rom has only scored when we've been winning games.

That sounds about right. We've known for a while that Lukaku goes missing in big games when his goals are needed the most and he scores a load against the weaker sides.

I like the idea of selling Rom to Chelsea for cash (around 㿲M) and bringing in Tammy Abraham as a makeweight. We should also buy the young Nigerian striker from Man City who looks the best young emerging striker next to Rashford. The 㿀M figure banded around seems very good value.

Two young strikers alongside Rooney who can rotate between attack and the No 10 role, with Sigurdsson taking Barkley's role.

Four players in and two out and we'd still have the money from Barkley to buy a goalkeeper or a centre-back.

Rob Halligan
183 Posted 19/05/2017 at 23:04:18
Hahahahahahah... what shite. So it's a proven fact that the whole pattern of play would have been the same without Lukaku's goals, that no more goals would have been conceded or scored, that would have affected the outcome of games?

The odds are, without Lukaku's goals, we would have been hanging onto a lead, or fighting to get back into a game, but no ... because of Lukaku's goals, we won games. 'Proven fact'? – that made me laugh.

Mike Green
184 Posted 19/05/2017 at 23:10:54
Dave (#177) – read Stan (#181) – that's why I didn't put it up. Its also a very fair and interesting point.
Chris Gould
185 Posted 19/05/2017 at 23:15:04
Kevin, goals from Lukaku that put us 2 ahead won't count as point scoring goals, but they will have killed off games that may have ended with a different result had he not scored.

You can't say that we would have finished 7th without his goals, as without his goals, the games would have played out differently. You couldn't know if the opposition would have come back to draw or win games that we won when Rom scored.

It's ridiculous to go to such lengths to discredit 24 Premier League goals. Without his goals we wouldn't have got near the top 6. We may have ended 7th, but we would be back in the pack. A bottom 14 team instead of a top 7.

So basically, 3 out of the 4 goals that Kane scored last night were irrelevant because they didn't influence the result?

Edit: just read your post, Stan. Sorry to repeat.

Kevin Rowlands
186 Posted 19/05/2017 at 23:18:12
Hahahahaha... if he hadn't given the ball back to the opposition so many fucking times during the season through poor play and laziness in understanding where he was on the pitch regarding offside, maybe we would've actually scored more and been further up the table. I guess that fact has never crossed your mind, has it, Rob?
Rob Halligan
187 Posted 19/05/2017 at 23:23:29
The man is there to score goals. Up until last night, he was the leading goalscorer in the Premier League. As far as I know, he is doing his job, scoring goals. Or has that not crossed your mind?
Peter Roberts
188 Posted 19/05/2017 at 23:25:53
Some serious lack of pride by many Everton fans. He is not and never has been an Everton player. He's made it crystal clear he never had any intention of remaining at our club for any period longer than was required till he got his move to a "big club".

Year after year, we have had to suffer the ignominy of him bleating to the press about needing to play for a 'big club' or in the Champions League.

Those fans who have a sense of what Everton FC is as an institution have been rightfully pissed off at this divas antics calling into question his ability as footballer and his contribution, other than being a Johnny-on-the-spot finisher, much to the annoyance of those fans so desperately starved of anything to shout about that they indulge this brat and his arrogant selfish ways.

I can't wait for him to go and pocket the exorbitant money that is being touted... I can't wait to watch him struggle with the expectations and egos at the supposed big club he will go to. I can't wait to watch a striker play for us who has an idea about leading the line and bringing others into play.

Trust me when I say this:- we will not miss him. We will replace his goals and more; we will see our team retain the ball , press from the front, bully teams.

I can't wait.

Brent Stephens
189 Posted 19/05/2017 at 23:26:21
Kevin (#180) "Rob, you stated in that very post that without Lukaku's goals it was 'utter garbage' that we would still have finished 7th when that is a proven fact".

A proven fact?! Bizarre. The assertion that we would have finished 7th without Lukaku's goals is not a proven fact as it implies a scenario (not a fact – it didn't happen) in which somebody else would have been playing instead of Lukaku.

Who? How would they have played in each game? In the games in which Rom's goals were crucial, would his replacement have scored?

You can conjecture till Rooney comes home, but it's purely that – conjecture, not fact. It might be a reasonable guess but spare us the stupidity of calling it a proven fact. It's playing with stats (which, incidentally, some decry as a waste of time and misleading).

Kevin Rowlands
190 Posted 19/05/2017 at 23:33:15
Rob, do you actually watch a game? Have you watched the last 6 games or the last 14 games last season where his grand total of goals is sweet fuck all.

Are you actually going to tell me that the only thing that matters is he scores goals? If that's your stance, I'm afraid your football knowledge is very limited.

Stan Schofield
191 Posted 19/05/2017 at 23:33:48
Kevin@186: Chris@185 says it's ridiculous for you to go to such lengths to discredit Lukaku's goals. I agree with him. The nature of what you're trying to do is quite common, but illogical, a misunderstanding of the real world, particularly in the media.
Rob Halligan
192 Posted 19/05/2017 at 23:33:50
Well said, Brent. At last, somebody with bit of sense.

I suppose you could say it's a hypothetical situation, but it's most definitely not a fact. A fact is something that happens, this could never be proved if we would have finished 7th, higher or lower.

Peter Gorman
193 Posted 19/05/2017 at 23:38:21
Brent, in fairness, taking away Lukaku's goals doesn't imply at all that somebody else would have played in his stead, just that his goals are taken away.

So it is fair to say, take away his goals and we would have still finished 7th as a mathematical fact – though I agree with Rob, Stan and Chris that in reality nobody knows how games would have panned out without Rom's contribution.

I prefer to wonder how high we would have finished had he not decided to wrap his tits with several games to go.

Rob Halligan
194 Posted 19/05/2017 at 23:40:00
Well Kevin, Lukaku has played whatever number of games it is for Everton. I was at West Ham for his debut, and I was at the last game against Watford. In between, I was also at every game he played.

I played football at a decent level, so I think I have a very good knowledge of football. As far as I know, the job of a goalscorer is to score goals, something Lukaku seems to be good at.

Kevin Rowlands
195 Posted 19/05/2017 at 23:41:42
Peter, as per usual spot on but the 'what about his goals' crowd still won't get what your trying to explain I'm afraid.

I too cannot wait for the day he's gone so we can look forward to watching a team that presses from the front, something which he is incapable of, and when attacking, not being stopped dead in our tracks every time the ball gets anywhere near him.

I will repeat, he's the most overrated player in the history of Everton Football Club.

Steven Sturm
196 Posted 19/05/2017 at 23:41:55
Asking Rob Halligan if he watches the game? That's pretty rich, Kevin Rowlands. What was your name before March of this year, btw?
Rob Halligan
197 Posted 19/05/2017 at 23:44:48
Oh, and by the way, Kev, your knowledge of football must be sweet FA, because in the last six games, Lukaku has actually scored three goals.
Stan Schofield
198 Posted 19/05/2017 at 23:46:14
Kevin, now that the illogicality of what you were trying to do in discounting Lukaku's goals has been exposed, you are now, like Peter Roberts @188, simply on another anti-Lukaku rant.
Brent Stephens
199 Posted 19/05/2017 at 23:47:00
Peter – yes, just a mathematical game, no more. Happy for people to engage in that if they want. But I don't see the point of that and, more importantly, the use of those maths was to imply that the reality would have been the same as the maths.
Mike Green
200 Posted 19/05/2017 at 23:58:33
Here's something then.

I think the number of points that the "Lukaku Goals" equation boils down to is 9 without them.

What are the number of points lost where we needed Lukaku to score in matches to get points and he didn't score at all in that match? Considering he is one of the most prolific, consistent goalscorers?

I won't bore you with the detail but I think there are 12 games in which he didn't score at all, which if he had (on paper by the same rationale as the first stat) scored just 1 goal, we would've turned a loss into a draw, or a draw into a win.

There are 12, 9 of them away, and had he scored one goal in each we would have got an extra 19 points and be very comfortably Top 4.

I totally accept the reality of how games would've changed in an instant had he scored, how and when; but what's interesting is 14 of those points are in 7 games where a goal by him would've turned a draw into a win. A proper winning goal.

Swansea, Man Utd x 2, Hull, Stoke, 'Boro, West Ham. Bar Man Utd – two have been relegated, one almost was and the others are also-rans.

These are games where he didn't score at all. There are another 4 games when he didn't score and it wouldn't have made a difference because we had them won anyway.

I'm sure there'll be a mistake in there or two but by my reckoning the principle is there's a decent argument that to say Lukaku is a great goalscorer but, when you need someone to step up and get the goals that get the points that really make a difference, he hasn't got "the minerals" as they say.

Some players thrive on it, some don't. Tim Cahill, as a recent example, did. I've seen nothing in Lukaku to suggest he does. Which is fine – you've either got it or you haven't.

An important goal scorer – not a scorer of important goals.

Kevin Rowlands
201 Posted 19/05/2017 at 23:59:40
I will always admit when I'm wrong, Rob. Yes... he has, in 6 out of the last 8 game,s scored zero goals though. I'd be interested to know how many times he's given the ball back to the opposition – or doesn't that bother you?

Stan if you want to talk about illogical, I will give you a perfect example of that on this very thread: "Kane could learn from Lukaku".

Brent Stephens
202 Posted 20/05/2017 at 00:02:06
Ah, if the first stat was wrong, let's find another.
Rob Halligan
203 Posted 19/05/2017 at 00:06:28
Takes a brave man, Kev. Unfortunately, that's not something I can comment on, as I don't know. But I doubt many, if any, have led to the opposition scoring.
Mike Green
204 Posted 20/05/2017 at 00:14:15
The definition of "Important" being of great significance or value.

Marvelous :D

Anthony Burke
205 Posted 20/05/2017 at 00:26:55
Do you actually watch the game, Rob? That made me laugh, that.
Jim Hardin
206 Posted 20/05/2017 at 02:22:55
Peter Roberts,

I am still waiting for you to explain what an "Everton Player" is and instead you now add to your area of expertise (as yet unexplained) to add that "fans who have a sense of what Everton FC is as an institution", and that they are "pissed off".

Please illuminate us as to what the qualities and points are since some of us might be or might not be "those fans", but just don't know which category we are in? While you are at it, could you please answer the questions in my first post? It would be much appreciated. Then you could maybe forward it to the squad since some of "them disloyal bastages" voted for Lukaku as player of the year. Guess they too are not either "Everton Players" or the proper sort of "fans" of the "Institution".

Honestly, do you stand in front of a mirror, wear a smoking jacket, one hand tucked away in a Napoleonic gesture, with a pipe in the other hand reciting this nonsense aloud before posting it? Other than you and maybe, Kevin Rowlands, who exactly are these other irate, pissed-off fans, and where do you meet to hand out the pitchforks and torches?

Ernie Baywood
207 Posted 20/05/2017 at 02:24:47
I'm not going to criticise Lukaku. He's a goalscorer. He scores goals. During his time with us, he's proven himself to be a consistent scorer of goals.

That's Rom dealt with. Thing is, I couldn't give a flying shite about Rom. That's not unfair, he couldn't give one about me or my fellow supporters either. I support Everton and want what's best for the club as a whole.

I'm ready for a change in how we play. We're so one-dimensional – Rom on the break or do nothing. Absolutely nothing. Those games are soul destroying!

Rom has 24 goals. Factoring in injuries, our next best goal threat is our right back! That can't continue.

Big money for Rom and try to get two or more players into double figures. That's not exactly the toughest task... and it makes Rom's goals completely replaceable. It also makes us more unpredictable, able to cope with different types of opposition, able to ride out individual dry spells.

I've been a staunch defender of Rom but it's time for a change in approach now.

Kevin Rowlands
208 Posted 20/05/2017 at 03:23:16
I may be wrong here but I suspect that Koeman's "let's run-down Ross but big-up Lukaku" may be a ploy... My prediction: Ross will sign; Rooney will also be back; Lukaku will be sold... please let this be true. If not, I will accept all the ripping I will rightly receive.
David Barks
209 Posted 20/05/2017 at 03:45:14
Wow, a washed up Rooney to replace Lukaku moving towards his prime...

Why not just call ourselves QPR and sign Rio Ferdinand and John fucking Terry?

Kevin Rowlands
210 Posted 20/05/2017 at 04:45:36
Rooney has more talent in his little toenail than Lukaku, but hey, David, it's all about the goals, isn't it?

Btw, both Ross and Rooney love and respect our club, that goes a long way with most of us, even if you don't understand that.

David Barks
211 Posted 20/05/2017 at 04:57:28
Hahahaha, Kevin.

Rooney did nothing for Everton, wanted to get away to Man Utd before his 20s. He kissed the United badge while taunting the Everton faithful. Yeah, that's some respect shown by Rooney. What an Everton legend.

Oh wait, he's a United legend. I guess you can add another name alongside Kane for players from rival clubs that you adore.

Eric Myles
212 Posted 20/05/2017 at 06:46:03
Chris (#185) "Kevin, goals from Lukaku that put us 2 ahead won't count as point scoring goals, but they will have killed off games that may have ended with a different result had he not scored."

I did the analysis and posted it on another thread. Can't remember exactly but I think the 'killed off games' total was only 3.

Ian Hollingworth
213 Posted 20/05/2017 at 07:24:51
I always think that you should show ambition by buying players that are better than you currently have in those positions. Also, we have to take into account our standing and who we can attract. Therefore we need a mixture of up and coming talent and experience who are maybe surplus at their current clubs.

John Terry is definitely better than the players we have at centre-back and is a winner and a leader. Rooney is a better player than we have behind the striker and is a winner. If we also brought in 3 or 4 quality up and coming younger players then I would say both were good options for a season or two.

We are a club in transition and their experience and winning mentality could be invaluable in helping the younger players move forward. They would also be good for the club commercially as they have the global presence that our club and most of our players do not.

Also remember the game has changed; the players are a lot fitter now so this is not like Gazza and Ginola etc.

Tony Abrahams
214 Posted 20/05/2017 at 07:32:02
Kevin (#201), it's not illogical that Kane can learn off Lukaku, mate.
Stan Schofield
215 Posted 20/05/2017 at 08:29:53
Kevin @201: I actually said, @29, "If and when Kane plays in a shite team, perhaps he can learn from Lukaku."

You stick to the ranting mate, and leave the logic to others.

Mike Green
216 Posted 20/05/2017 at 08:40:47
David Barks #211. Not quite right. Rooney didn't taunt Evertonians – he gave a bit back of what he had had for the previous hour. There was a lad a few seats from me that day (who I'd say was about 10 years old) screaming things at him about his mother that made my blood run cold. He was taunted by us, not the other way around. On that subject though – how do you feel about Lukaku taunting us when he plays for Belgium?

Rooney and Lukaku are incomparable. One left a Champions League club at 21, the other joined one at 18 and had a Champions League medal in his pocket by the age of 22. Clubs would have queued around the block to sign Rooney from us had they had the chance – open the doors of Goodison Park today to let Lukaku's suitors in and the streets seem pretty deserted to me.

Rooney is to Maradona what Lukaku is to Prima Donna. They are light and shade.

Stan Schofield
217 Posted 20/05/2017 at 08:42:54
Mike @200: That's an interesting analysis, but I believe it's also undermined by the effects we have already discussed. That is, if Lukaku hadn't played in those games, the course of them would have been different, which is true in the case of every player who played in those games. As I say, games are like life, they can hinge on a sixpence.
Mike Green
218 Posted 20/05/2017 at 08:48:32
Agreed Stan – there are lies, damn lies and statistics.

We will never know how we will have fared in any of these games with someone instead of Lukaku, or any of those to come should he not be playing for us any more.

For me, it does add some weight to the argument that Lukaku doesn't turn up when it matters though. But then equally you could say the team as a whole don't turn up when it matters and you would probably be right.

Stan Schofield
219 Posted 20/05/2017 at 08:54:50
Mike, I wouldn't argue with you there mate. My dad, who first took me to the match in the 60s, still says to me, "Trouble with Everton is, they build you up then let you down."

Maybe we're just hoping that this 'new era' will change that. The devil being in the detail, maybe it's got to start with sorting out the mentality of the present team, to get a winning fighting mentality, Lukaku included.

Rob Hooton
220 Posted 20/05/2017 at 09:43:47
I think they are both great players and would like to see Rom stay as he is improving year on year.

Everybody has a valid point but I do think Kane has the edge and his workrate and link-up play help those around him get their glut of goals. Maybe if Pocchetino was our manager, Barkley and Mirallas would be in double figures too due to the way he sets his team up to play? Just a thought and possibly a load of bollocks!

Dave Abrahams
221 Posted 20/05/2017 at 09:51:18
Mike (#179), I can understand why you didn't post Dave Prentice's piece, just adds to the debate but doesn't change anyone's minds,

Glad your horses went in; I'm still waiting for the tide to turn on my luck. I can't pick my nose at the moment, but the day's gonna come....

Peter Roberts
222 Posted 20/05/2017 at 13:26:04
Jim Hardin – whats an Everton player?

A player who allows himself to absorb the fabric of the club... someone who shows the pride we want in the shirt understands that half-arsed efforts are not acceptable

I've been fortunate to see such players in my time Reid, Southall, Watson, Cahill, Naismith, Ratcliffe, Weir, Ggough, ball.

Lukaku is so far removed from theit's untrue.

Fintan Spode
223 Posted 20/05/2017 at 13:45:22
Kane or Lukaku. Neither actually, the fact they are top of the goal scoring tree says a lot about the strikers there are in the Premier League. They are both nothing more than the worthy poets in an Eisteddfod of mediocrity.
Jay Wood
224 Posted 20/05/2017 at 14:06:03
Kevin Rowland claims @ 53: “I haven't seen one post saying anyone is glad Lukaku is not getting the Golden Boot.”

This is a sample of some comments in this very thread BEFORE he posted that claim:

Peter Laing @ 13: I'm glad that the Lukaku vanity project concerning the acquisition of the golden boot has all but gone.

Alasdair Mckay @ 17: Serves him right for switching off.

Ian Burns @ 20: Not sure I should be saying this on TW but there is a little something inside me which says "tough titty".

Peter Mills @ 22: a bit of this news about Kane scoring 4 and overtaking him makes me quietly smile about the attitude of both players.

Jason Bowen @ 43: There goes his golden boot... and what's the bet he doesn't get the move he wants either? Selfish sod, the grass ain't always greener.

Here are more posts FOLLOWING Kevin's claim @ 53 (which he repeated in his own later posts):

Pete Owen @ 56: Serves him right, he should have actually tried in the last 4 games, it ain't so easy to shoot with flipflops on, eh, Rom?

Peter Malone @ 59: Serves Rom right if he's slackened off at the end. Rookie error.

Peter Barry @ 64: That'll teach the lazy bastard for not really trying in the last five or six games.

Rick Pattison @ 69: Oh poor Anelka... I mean Lukaku...

Choose any synonym you like for the quoted comments – celebrating, rejoicing in, smirking at, relishing, whatever – but there is clear evidence in this very thread that a few Evertonians have taken pleasure in the fact that an Everton player has been overhauled in the pursuit of a secondary, but still prestigious award, by a rival player.

As I wrote @ 109, Bizarre. Truly bizarre.

As for Kevin's further claim @110 that I am “making things up” by saying that some Blues don't celebrate an Everton goal when Lukaku scores” I suggest he pays closer attention to what people post on TW. There have been such claims by posters that they refuse to celebrate when Lukaku scores. I could ‘out' a particular poster in this very thread who recently confessed the same, but I'll save him the embarrassment.

Again, in my eyes, that is bizarre and perverse.

As for Kevin stating I write only “complete bullshit”, no, I don't. I'm a devotee of rationale and logic. Unlike Kevin, I'm not given to throwing tantrums like the lisping Violet Elizabeth Bott in the Just William books: "I'll thcream and thcream until I'm thick. I can!" (Various interpretations allowed.)

Should I ever feel the need to employ bullshit in my posts, I know who I might first turn to for lessons though.

Peter Roberts
225 Posted 20/05/2017 at 14:32:37
Jay, none of those posts say that they are glad he won't get golden boot – more of a "serves you right"... a bit like a parent who tells their child not to do something and when they do they get the parent isn't happy about it they are just proving their wisdom and hope it provides a learning for them.

I, on the other hand, will go as far to say that I'm not happy he's going to miss out on golden boot. I'm delighted about it.

He doesn't love Everton, he has no desire to do anything in the shirt unless it profits him. So why should I want him to get an accolade when the team hasn't won anything? His ego already is off the scale.

I'm actually pleased that Harry Kane is likely going to get the golden boot. If you had a son who was going to be a pro footballer... who would you tell him to follow as a role model? Kane or Lukaku? there really is no thinking required for that but the answer probably makes you that uncomfortable that you will lie.

So yeah... there we have it. Thanks for 24 goals that had no impact on our league position, Rom... pity you couldn't be bothered in the derby pity you couldn't find the desire to help the team defend a 1-0 slender lead vs Man Utd. Those are the games that define the top 4... Ta-ra.

Jay Wood
226 Posted 20/05/2017 at 14:44:37
Peter @ 25: "none of those posts say that they are glad he won't get golden boot."

The VERY FIRST POST LISTED states:

"Peter Laing @ 13: "I'm glad that the Lukaku vanity project concerning the acquisition of the golden boot has all but gone."

Evidently, you employ selective reading techniques and only see what you wish to see.

Thank you for reinforcing my point with your own (unsurprising) view: "I on the other hand will go as far to say that I'm not happy he's going to miss out on golden boot . I'm delighted about it."

Bizarre and perverse, as I say.

Carry on!

Stan Schofield
227 Posted 20/05/2017 at 14:52:45
Dave@221: Perhaps Mike didn't post Prentice's article not because folks wouldn't change their minds, but because Prentice's arguments are invalid for the reasons given earlier (@163 and @181) to do with the distinction between the real world and the imaginary false worlds conjured up by people attempting to dismiss Lukaku's goals.

Those attempts are accompanied by the usual tantrum throwing by some of Lukaku's critics.

Peter Roberts
228 Posted 20/05/2017 at 15:30:16
Jay Wood, me being happy that a player who has selective attitudes towards certain games and him missing out on golden boot is perverse?

No... it's called being an Evertonian who isn't bought in adoring a player like a lovestruck 10 year old who reads Roy of the Rovers.

When someone mentions Lukaku to me I tend to think about games like the FA Cup semi final the majority of derby games and indeed most big games we play as being a coward.

6ft 4in... 14 to 15 stone and he gets bullied yeah he's great at finishing, he especially loves games against the ever growing cannon fodder in a deteriorating Premier League.

I'm not perverse for wanting him to fail I'm just not a pathetic happy-slapper who thinks singing his name a week after he called us out as not being ambitious enough for him will get him to change his mind.

I'm sure you will get a full dose of the lad's true feelings when the club force him to hand in a transfer request to get his move. Just don't say I never told you so.

Jay Wood
229 Posted 20/05/2017 at 15:42:11
Peter, seriously... save me (and others) the positioning of yourself as a more virtuous and discerning Evertonian than others based on your stance in relation to Lukaku.

Delude and deceive yourself. It doesn't wash with me, nor, I am sure, many others.

Carry on carrying on!

Peter Roberts
230 Posted 20/05/2017 at 16:10:58
Jay... just try and ready yourself for a striker who may score a few goals less, give the ball away less, moan less... hold up the ball and ultimately help the team win more.

It may mean that you don't have the bragging rights of a top goalscorer when you go into school and little Billy Stewart may have a Liverpool shirt with the name of a 20-goal striker on but don't worry – it's all about the team.

Dave Abrahams
231 Posted 20/05/2017 at 16:21:03
Stan (#227), I meant it wouldn't change people's minds both ways, for and against Lukaku. Dave Prentice was, as I said, a Lukaku fan, who wants him to stay.

If I could see the Lukaku who Jim Knightley described the other day I would be over the moon if he stayed; sadly I have never seen that one, he was absolutely brilliant.

Jay Wood
232 Posted 20/05/2017 at 16:27:05
Peter, in the past, I have taken the time to engage in civilized, considered dialogue with you on your chosen Mastermind subject, Romelu Lukaku.

I long ago ceased to do so as it is an exercise in futility. It's too mind-numbingly tedious.

As I say, carry on carrying on. I won't be joining you in your crusade.

John Daley
233 Posted 20/05/2017 at 16:53:22
"I'm a devotee of rationale and logic. Unlike Kevin, I'm not given to throwing tantrums..."

Fuck me, Jay. Thanks for that. I'm now going to be stuck reading your posts in a voice that's some mad mash-up of Mick Jagger on 'Sympathy For The Devil' ("Please allow me to introduce myself...."), Marlon Brando as Jor-El in 'Superman: The Movie' ("I'm not given to wild unsupported statements... ") and this big-eared Blue:

Link

Jay Wood
234 Posted 20/05/2017 at 16:59:05
Still on your hospital meds I see, John...

Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

Kevin Rowlands
235 Posted 20/05/2017 at 17:02:38
Jay, stop taking this subject and yourself so seriously, I mean reading nearly every post and then repeating quotes from them posts to prove a point or to let us know we're all wrong,... seriously, is your life that fucking boring?
Brent Stephens
236 Posted 20/05/2017 at 17:04:21
"I on the other hand will go as far to say that I'm not happy he's going to miss out on golden boot. I'm delighted about it."

Fuck's sake. He didn't say that did he?! If so, that means somebody actually WANTS Lukaku not to score against Arsenal? Now how's that for loyalty to Everton?!

Tony Abrahams
238 Posted 20/05/2017 at 17:18:27
Imagine Liverpool draw tomorrow and then Lukaku, equalizes against Arsenal, in the last minute, with a goal that sends Liverpool, into the Champions League, Brent?

Imagine how many Evertonians would be fuckin gutted, mate? Because I know I would.

Stan Schofield
240 Posted 20/05/2017 at 17:30:16
Tony @238: What I want is for Everton to win every game. I like to see Liverpool lose, not qualify for the Champions League, etc, but that comes second to us winning. We need to get into the habit of winning, thinking about winning, going out to win.

A winning mentality. To the point where other teams, including Liverpool, are of secondary or no interest to us. We need to forget about Liverpool, whether or not some of their supporters like to give us stick.

Darren Hind
243 Posted 20/05/2017 at 18:04:14
"I am a devotee of rational and logic" – Funny as fuck.

John D

Fantastic response

I wont be able to read his posts without hearing the voice of CJ – Reginald Perrin's boss

John Daley
244 Posted 20/05/2017 at 18:05:35
"Still on your hospital meds I see, John...
Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!"

Bit presumptuous that, Jay. Surely not becoming of a self-anointed rationale abider to succumb to scurrilous rumour so readily.

I cut that shit out. Didn't like the side effects. 

I've not even touched those shiny pills you (seemingly) swear by:

Link

Brian Murray
245 Posted 20/05/2017 at 18:13:56
Lukaku and most of them in a blue shirt are made for life, or soon will be, so a personal accolade like the Goldoen Boot means nothing to me.

All I'm interested in is Moshiri fazing out the idiots sitting next to him pronto, trying seriously to find stars or unknowns who will join us.

Failing that, finding out if the likes of Dowel, Walsh or Connolly are good enough in the first team not just in squad. It's a cry in the dark because I don't think we have the mentality or are professional enough behind the scenes to even cause a ripple.

Nearly 50 years going the match has taught me that. Anyway c'mon the Gunners, onward and upward to the Docks... ahem!

Tony Abrahams
250 Posted 20/05/2017 at 19:08:58
Its' alls I've ever wanted, Stan@240, but until it happens, I don't want to be doing them any favours, so I honestly hope Romelu fires another blank tomorrow!
Peter Roberts
251 Posted 20/05/2017 at 19:42:09
Oh yeah... tomorrow, the dead rubber against Arsenal (well it is for us).

What I would like is Lukaku to play the game like he did again at Liverpool and Man Utd away. By that, I mean I would like him to contribute the square root of fuck all.

I want him to do the usual and make a physically smaller centre-half look like he's smoked some angel dust and bounces off him like he's an electric fence. I hope he wears the same boots that had 15 kg studs screwed in that made jumping for a header an impossibility.

Hopefully he can also cause our defence to erupt at his continual inability to control a ball and press their players that will hopefully gift Arsenal 3 points whist Middlesbrough take a point or 3 off the Rednoses.

You see, my problem is I'm bitter. I hate Liverpool fans taking the mickey out of us so I'd love them to fail to make the Champions League I also dislike players of Everton who show no appreciation for the club, the fans .. it's because I love Everton.

Alan J Thompson
265 Posted 21/05/2017 at 04:51:12
Lukaku scores some wonderful goals. Think back to the one against Man City away, and there are others.

I would love to see him commit his future to Everton and improve his first touch, his heading ability, his timing of jumping for headers, his harassment of defenders trying to play the ball out and, most importantly, his movement off the ball.

He and Barkley are the two most talented players on the books. Perhaps they could learn from each other on how to speak to the Press.

As for the Arsenal game weekend; I hope the away team wins the game across the Park and Arsenal win 27-21, Lukaku scoring 11, Ross 9 and a Baines penalty.

Brent Stephens
266 Posted 21/05/2017 at 07:32:21
Tony (#238) being gutted because Lukaku scores is what was said, I believe. Gutted just because he scores. I can understand your "gutted" – gutted not in itself that Lukaku scores but because what that could deliver for the RedShite. Anyway, as somebody else said. We lose 80-79 with Rom scoring 70.
Dan Egerton
267 Posted 21/05/2017 at 18:44:55
Romelu's return of goals is solid, it's just a pity he cant do it against the top sides and when it really matters. If you take his goals away, we are still sitting 7th.

I'd rather finish 7th with our top scorer only banging in 15 if we actually beat the redshite for a change (has never happened with Lukaku), and better results against the teams above us. That's how you improve, not by getting hat-tricks against Sunderland or Bournemouth (or Burnley whoever it was). 1-0 wins vs Sunderland all the way up to Chelsea is fine by me.

Stan Schofield
268 Posted 21/05/2017 at 19:21:09
Dan, you can't just take his goals away and reach the conclusion that we'd still be 7th, other than in some imaginary world, not in the real world. This is explained in earlier posts.
Peter Thistle
269 Posted 22/05/2017 at 02:23:19
Glad he didn't win it, would just fuel his selfish attitude. Can't stand him.
Anthony Dwyer
270 Posted 22/05/2017 at 19:11:21
I'm happy to see Kane win the Golden Boot, Lukaku and the rest of the team deserve fuck all as they downed tools as soon as West Brom lost and we were guaranteed 7th.

Lukaku has been embarrassing for the past few months.

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