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Brian Porter
1 Posted 14/08/2017 at 06:07:30
We obviously watched exactly the same game, Paul. Totally agree with every word you say and can't argue with your player ratings.

I'm glad you saw the Leighton Baines I saw. I do get annoyed when people keep saying he's finished or he can't deliver any more. Like Rooney, Leighton has a football brain and there is no substitute for the kind of in-game intelligence that players like he and Rooney can bring to a team.

As you rightly said, he was great in that first half. All in all we have to be satisfied with 3 scrappy points against a Stoke team that was never going to make things easy for us. Looking forward to Thursday.

Mike Gaynes
2 Posted 14/08/2017 at 06:22:36
Agreed, Brian and Paul... I was pretty irate at the Live Forum comments to the effect that Baines is "finished"... and I was delighted to see him stuff those comments down certain throats so comprehensively. He was, and remains, superb.
James Watts
3 Posted 14/08/2017 at 06:58:41
Yep would agree with most of that, Paul.

Except I don't think Baines was worth the 8. He done well defensively but is definitely missing that spark going forward. He's not suited to the wing back role in my opinion as he hasn't got the pace or lung capacity anymore to get up and down.

Having said that, still one of my favourite players, 100% not finished yet and will go for a few more years I think, so I too can not really understand why some people are writing him off.

John G Davies
4 Posted 14/08/2017 at 07:33:37
Wayne Rooney.

Form is temporary. Class is permanent.

Dermot Byrne
5 Posted 14/08/2017 at 08:06:32
Love Baines but I thought he was far from his best.
Ernie Baywood
6 Posted 14/08/2017 at 08:20:41
Thought an 8 for Baines was generous. I'm not sure he can get to that level again – but that was a good solid 7.

Calvert-Lewin I thought did well. He actually made a bit if a difference in the second half. Still a work in progress but he's shown enough in the U20s, preseason and this game to suggest he's got a decent career ahead of him. Hadn't really seen many signs before that.

Thought Schneiderlin was beyond woeful. Slow, almost uninterested, dull and unimaginative with the ball and couldn't do much more than foul players who were just too quick and industrious for him.

Andy Crooks
7 Posted 14/08/2017 at 13:51:10
Good stuff as usual, Paul. I, as a supporter who doesn't get often , I think you give a really good account of a day out.
Mike Gaynes
8 Posted 14/08/2017 at 15:08:28
Ernie (#6), I have no idea who you were watching, but it wasn't Schneiderlin.

According to the official Premier League stats, Schneiderlin had the best all-around defensive game of any midfielder in the Prem yesterday – four tackles, six interceptions, seven recoveries. He was all over the field shutting down attacks and winning balls. And he only had two fouls.

Yes, he was poor with the ball, but there was a lot of that going around – we had 22 passes intercepted yesterday, which is an absolute disgrace. Schneiderlin was no worse than Gueye, Jags or Klaassen. But "beyond woeful?" Not hardly.

Dave Wilson
9 Posted 14/08/2017 at 15:41:27
He is past his best of course, but we may well have surrendered that lead in recent seasons. His game management was as important as his goal. The boy wonder is now a wise old owl.

Masterstroke from Koeman and his team to bring him back.

Rob Dolby
10 Posted 14/08/2017 at 22:18:03
Rooney was the difference, Teddy Sheringham played until he was into his late 30s and Rooney can do likewise if we get players around him who can do his running.

Baines looks fit, his quality was there too see. Gueye had a better 2nd half as did Calvert-Lewin who is so obviously more comfortable playing centrally. Schneiderlin probably had a 100% pass completion rating pity none of them were forward. Jags and Klaassen looked terrible in the 1st half though I put that down to Koeman's mad tactics.

A win is a win we, let's hope we start to gel and also bring in a striker, some width and Ben Gibson to partner our new Rolls Royce of a centre back in Michael Keane.

Ernie Baywood
11 Posted 14/08/2017 at 22:21:02
Mike I watched the game. I'd have no idea if those stats are impressive. I'd have to go back and watch the interceptions and tackles... were they anything of note? There's a difference between winning a ball you should and a ball you aren't favourite for. Gana won plenty of the latter.

No idea what a "recovery" looks like. Not a term that's in general usage is it?

If you're telling me he was no worse than Gana then I'd say it's time to ditch the stats.

Brian Williams
12 Posted 14/08/2017 at 22:44:45
Stats also don't show the number of times Schneiderlin had the ball at his feet with loads of space ahead of him and yet failed to carry the ball forward and/or pass in a forward direction.

It was like he was on a leash and as soon as he took no more than a couple of strides he passed sideways or backwards.

The midfield as a whole "generally" when passing sideways passed the ball half a yard "behind" the player receiving the ball which instantly meant the player was facing his own goal and another sideways or backwards pass was the easiest and nearly always the result.

Really fucking annoying and smacked of either lack of confidence or playing to a strict "safety first and foremost" regime.

Andy Crooks
13 Posted 14/08/2017 at 23:32:22
Spot on, Dave Wilson. Also, in my view, he is player who needs game time; there is more to come.
Terence Leong
14 Posted 15/08/2017 at 05:05:08
Re Baines, I don't think it's not that he has nothing to offer going forward.

Rather, over the past few seasons, the player that plays in-front of him doesn't provide cover for him, in the way Pienaar did.

Thus, Baines has to be more restrained in getting forward, or risk getting the backline exposed.

Of course, given his age, he would be wise to manage how much unnecessary running he needs to do.

I reckon, if he has comparable cover like in the days of Bainaar, he will still be devastating in bombing forward.

Peter Mills
15 Posted 15/08/2017 at 18:48:05
Paul, I think your comparing Dominic Calvert-Lewin with Stuart Barlow will come back and bite you on the backside at some stage in the future.

He is very inexperienced, but has shown in an England shirt, and with his goal at Ruzomberok, that he can score goals and can become a very good player. As always much will be down to his attitude, and I sense that is pretty good.


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