But then I think of the last minute spectacular save from Pickford against Stoke (where we were pretty average throughout first half), the one on one miss from Defoe when Bournemouth were one up – those were our two victories this season in Premier League and it could easily have gone the other way.

The football has been overall absolutely rubbish with no sign of any improvement in results! Koeman has to go.

Great write up as always, fella.

I don't think Koeman one bit of respect for this club. This was indicated in his arrogance when he signed to become manager but thought his holiday appeared much more important than his new position.

Publicly slating Barkley not just once but a few times, you just don't do that as a manager. He doesn't want to be a part of this club, it's a 9-5 for him and he's probably out the door bang on 5. Get rid of him.

Mainly Keane. He was woeful tonight. As a defender he looked slow, out of position, timid, and he made mistake after mistake, consistently giving the ball away. For the money we paid I expect a lot more.

I felt sorry for Ashley tonight as although he didn't have a great game he is taking a lot.of the stick and focus, but his defensive partner is not helping him. Keane, along with Klaassen, Ramirez, Martina, and Schneiderlin, all don't look anywhere near the level they should be.

It is not working and no real signs of it gelling so what options? Stick with him and let the team (if there is one) loose more and more confidence playing in a drab and poor performing season, this after a poor finish to last season? Or sack him and introduce someone with drive and a way to form a team who can pass forward with some pace, and provide some entertainment?

My vote is sack him, who comes in I don't know and above my pay grade to decide, the manager is on a fortune so no pity for him as he will pick up a king's ransom to leave and no doubt be offered another position while we at Everton look to someone to pick up the pieces to get us away from the relegation threat.

I know it's all about opinions, but I thought Lookman did okay actually, and at least had the French defenders back peddling, for the time he was on the pitch, I thought he contributed more than a 5?

On a general theme, I think if and when we slip into the bottom three, some eight weeks before the transfer window opens again, I simply don't see how Koeman can survive.

He knows it, the player's know it, and probably the board as well.

It feels like a matter of time regarding Koeman's sacking. I've been waiting for that ‘Oxford' moment... or at the very least that ‘Phil Neville' moment (tackle on Ronaldo) that could change our season. It sounds like the ‘heads-gone' Williams moment only got us going for a few minutes!

That's exactly what I got on 13 May 2016, 10 minutes past midnight (GMT + 8), with "Roberto Martinez" instead of "Ronald Koeman".

I still keep that screenshot in my phone's photo album. Am I sick or what?

May I add though. I thought the much maligned Williams was actually the pick of the centre-backs tonight. He positioned himself better and his distribution was okay. He could have got tighter for their second but overall he was sort of okay. Probably a 6.

Keane though was poor. As the game went on he just got worse. If it wasn't for Pickford saving from several chances that came via Keane's poor performance it would have highlighted how bad he was. His distribution was poor also. Two examples being the ball he lofted about 20 yards over Holgate's head into the Bullens Road and the pass to Lookman who was marked closely by 2 Lyon players.

The worry for me regarding Keane is how immobile he looks. He's not happy running into the channels or facing a striker with the ball running at him and he's quite slow on the turn. He didn't get exposed like this at Burnley and it's showing. Any opposing manager will look at this and tell his strikers to exploit the area left by the Everton right-back going forward because they'd have a chance of skinning the centre-back.

That's not the only issue we have but one I felt I'd mention here. If I started on the rest, it would be Christmas before I'd finish.

This isn't Koeman's first season, he has had time. 3 transfer window, bundles of money and he has irrefutably made our team worse. Why is sacking a very poor manager becoming a Watford or a Leicester? Watford are fourth and Leicester not long ago champions by the way.

To answer the question how long can this go on? The answer is it can't.

I thought this lad was going to be a cracker... No. I was so wrong; he's just another Koeman / Walsh fuck-up.

Williams (albeit should have been sent off) was our best defender last night and at least he showed that the shirt mattered.

I also don't agree Sandro was at fault for their second; Martina hammered the ball at him from a short distance.

Also, Holgate is not ready for the first team. He had a shocker and at one stage took a shot at Pickford with a back pass.

His demeanour after the game,smiling ear to ear when Koeman is giving the ref both barrels, just says it all for me. I took a picture of it on my TV:

I firmly believe that he signed for Everton because the salary was excellent, but quickly realised that there was a glass ceiling that he was unable to overcome. To reach the "big six" was beyond his and Everton's capability at present.

I feel that he is actively trying to be sacked, ridiculous as that sounds, so he can take full compensation for the cancellation of his contract. The Everton board are reluctant to sack him because it would be very expensive, especially if a new manager wanted a transfer chest to improve this ageing and unbalanced squad.

I feel that Koeman would like to take Advocaat's job as national manager as after this fiasco, no top club would look at him. He is cynical in his whole approach.

Martinez was merely "a cock-eyed optimist", Moyes a dour defensive man who was risk-averse, but Koeman strikes me as having no warmth or respect for this club, its players and fans.

He needs to go, expensive as that will be. We need a manager that cares, if only for his own professional pride.

Holgate needs to be loaned out. Mistakes are normal in young players and he should be making them on loan in the Championship.

Sandro is fucking dire. I forgot he was subbed on as he was so ineffectual until he made a balls of it with Martina.

Klaassen just looks utterly desperate.

Williams is a thug and a liability. He isn't fit for the shirt.

Only men I felt gave anything were Vlasic, Pickford, Davies and Mirallas. No idea why he took Mirallas off.

Sandro, Keane and Klaassen all came to Everton with glowing reputations – what has happened?

Holgate might make a decent central defender at some point, though I doubt it, but at the moment he is a dreadful right back.

As Mirallas and Vlasic both spent the whole match cutting inside, I wonder if it would have been worth swapping them for a quarter of an hour, and letting them take on defenders on the outside? But what do I know, eh?

The defensive unit has to work as a whole and once there is weak point on one side or the other, the centre backs get pulled over to compensate. Keane therefore was understandably more pressured than usual.

Of course, this is the reason why Koeman feels the need for two defensive midfielders, week-in and week-out. We were caught out regularly by the counter-attacks with no Schneiderlin or Gueye to soak up the pressure.

There is a lot wrong here and it isn't all going to change with a bit of confidence,as our manager tells us. The players are not up to it.

Holgate should wait for his chance at centre half, once he has put on a stone in weight, Martina should have been played only on the right , and only as a back-up player. Sandro is impotence personified – he is miles off a Premier League player,and Klaassen is adapting too slowly.

We could have done with Rooney's experience out there, and one wonders why we sold Barry – his nous would have steadied the ship. Schneiderlin isn't fit to lace his boots.

As for Williams, he played with passion and gave everything. I can forgive him getting done for pace for their goal, but his equaliser was marvellous and if the rest of the lads had his fight, we would have won it.

Koeman was right about the way the French dived and the ref should have put a stop to it. I hate that aspect of football. However, they broke with purpose and pace and their play was creative whilst ours was predictable.

When I was a kid I was proud to be an Evertonian; after last night, I just feel embarrassed.

For all Moshiri's money, I don't think he has a clue about football – just like the other idiots running our club. I have no doubt that when Koeman finally gets the chop we will again appoint the wrong man.

It's a dead cert that we will lose to Arsenal and Chelsea and be thrashed by Lyon in France. Bad times.

King Midas in Reverse is par for the course with the last two managers. I honestly cannot for the life of me understand why Kenwright, who is misty eyed at the mention of the great players who have worn the Royal Blue, can sit and watch this absolute demolition of Everton FC, week after week.

When you are watching for a Russian at Arsenal coming to the rescue of Everton and firing off the incompetents at the figurehead of this once great club it shows what a horrible mess the board have made of Everton.

The final scene for me is Kenwright after the relegation match standing at the front of the Directors Box and ripping off his coat and shirt to reveal that horrible red shite shirt worn by the gobshites over the park and laughing that horrible laugh the villain always performs.

As for Koeman, do Everton have the balls to sack him (a) to end the misery, and (b) admit defeat where Koeman is concerned?

I never went, chose to vote with my feet, because I can't believe Koeman is still in charge and, although it's comfortable in the house, I don't believe that you see the same game. Hats off to those that did go, especially because it was clear how much the fans tried to get behind the team, and if Holgate was smiling, although this is a disgrace, it also shows he must have no time for this manager.

Koeman has got to go today, because the man's gone. He says the players can't play the way he wants at the minute, so they will have to play more direct? This would be fine if the shape of the team was okay, but it's not, it's all over the place, and it's making everyone look poor, and is also sucking the life out of the players.

This job was only ever about money for him. I mean let's face it why else would Koeman continue on his path of self destruction? The whole world can see what Koeman does is wrong.The man is either very stupid or one crafty fucker.

If it's Koeman is not purposely self-imploding then he doesn't have a clue about football and should be fired immediately. The players at the club have sussed Koeman for what he is and have downed tools accordingly.

I am not saying It is right for players to with draw their labour but It happens. It happened at Anfield when Hodgson was manager and at Chelsea at the end of Mourhinios tenure. Koeman is playing us for mugs and the players know it. As for the wasters who run the club well the mind boggles. Those of you out there who think Moshiri is some kind of genius who will save us think again.

Moshiri already has shown what an utter tool he is when it comes to football related matters or is the Billionaire Iranian at the bollocks also? To me it appears the whole set up at Everton is rigged for some ulterior motives with Kenwright pulling the strings and Moshiri acting as the mouthpiece. None of what is happening makes any sense to me. None of this bullshit sits well. Please tell me there are others out there who can see it?

I have been saying for years now that the Everton fan base is the best in the world but also the most gullible. We as supporters are that desperate for any crumb of success or good news we lap any old shit up. That's how Kenwright plays us because he knows us so well.

If Koeman isn't sacked after we lose to Arsenal on Sunday or he doesn't resign in shame then everything above must be true? As painful as it sounds the explanations for all this mismanagement are starting to wear thin.

Koeman is a fraud – just like Kenwright, Elstone and Moshiri – and there is nothing we can do about it but watch our club go down the shitter. It's about time our fans stopped going in to the ground on match days as it's all we have left.

I will not go to another game as long as Koeman is still the boss. I suggest others do the same, or at least turn on Koeman with some passion inside the stadium.

I have been an advocate of Koeman and thought he was the right man for the job. Last season, we solidified from the mess Martinez left and I thought we would kick on this season. How wrong I was. Players constantly played out of position, no team consistency, no shape to the team, no attacking intent... to be honest, this is no different to the Martinez years. It's aimless, uninspiring, going-through-the-motions football. I really can't see what Koeman is trying to achieve and this is coming from someone who supported him.

I thought Lyon were well worth their win. Granted we hit the post a couple of times but they could and should have had a few more. I haven't seen the replay for their 2nd goal but in real time I have to say it looked like a clever goal. It completely knocked the stuffing out of us. No fight no heart. Where have I said that before?? It seems like it's been a repetitive theme over the last few seasons.

I despair of Everton these days. It's becoming a chore to go to the game again. I had to force myself last night to leave the house. Martinez and now Koeman have left me feeling like this. It's never been a chore to go to Goodison before that. Even when we were really crap in the mid to late 90s.

On another thread a few days ago, some of the older guys (sorry about saying 'older') were reminiscing about the sixties and seventies. A time when our motto meant something. One of them was saying how Gordon Lee was sacked when finishing in the upper reaches of the division (4th). It's wasn't good enough.

How low have we sunk? We have a manager who suggests that we shouldn't have lofty ambitions. We haven't won a trophy for over 22 years now. Disgraceful.

I always expect us to win, I don't think the players or management or board have thought that way for a long time. The club has been rudderless since the European ban in the 80s. No planning for a return, just sat there whining about how unfair it was. Ffs it was behaviour worthy of a kopite!! No planning for the advent of the Premier League. It's just all been downhill for years.

We tolerate slight improvement just because it wasn't as bad as the season before. How on earth did it come to this? We were once a force in English football. Peter Johnson and Bill Kenwright have overseen the massive decline in that. We are also-rans.

When you look at the likes of Spurs, who haven't won a league title since 1960, being talked about how big a club they are, then it shows how far we have fallen. We need huge change in the club and that starts at the very top.

Kenwright needs to go and take that plucky loser attitude with him. He brings nothing but misery. He's no Evertonian, just someone holding onto power at whatever the cost. Blimey even Mike Ashley has got the message. Just fuck off, Bill, and let someone run the club who knows what they're doing. If not ,then all the new stadiums in the world won't change the fact that we will still be hitting that glass ceiling with that idiot in charge.

Nil Satis Nisi Optimum? Yeah right, it's only the fans who remember what that means.

At least with Duncan Ferguson and David Unsworth, they at least know what they want. Fuck it, I can't take any more of this shite from Koeman.

Tony Marsh has got you-know-who, down to a "T" but, if it's Moshiri who is calling the shots, he's got to swallow his pride right now because Ronald is never going to resign.

He's fucking skint, can't even afford a razor, and can't even look the interviewer in the eye, "because the eyes never lie, Chico" and this fella knows he's finished!

I was referring to his attitude throughout the game – he looked like he cared, which couldn't be said for the majority of them. When he scored the goal – which by the way was the first time this season I've really heard Goodison roar, it ignited the players and their belief.

Small margins – if Sigurdsson's free kick goes in off the post – different game.

Klaassen looks to weak
Sandro is the Spanish Brett Angell
Rooney done for drink driving.
Cuco Martina wtf?
Keane looks rubbish last night

You can pick out Williams and Schneiderlin – both have been shocking this season.

Koeman has been badly let down by his players, but I do think he has bought some good players, Sigurdsson, Vlasic... Calvert-Lewin is going to be some player just not yet.

The problem is: Who comes in and turns this team around?

No quick fix I'm afraid.

However, lunging into that player and swatting him off like a piece of rubbish was not befitting of someone carrying the captains armband. I honestly thought he was off at that point. He also reminded us of his shortcomings when he lost the player for their second.

When the post mortem inevitably happens and player purchases are scrutinised, you'd definitely have to say Swansea have had our pants pulled down on more than one occasion.

Him and Unsworth in combination might be worth a try till March. If we are still in relegation battle, then bring in Big Sam for the rescue operation.

I'd go and get Marco Silva right now or if we can't get him until the end of the season put Unsworth in charge. No to big names. They're only interested in the big payday, just like Koeman. I want someone young and hungry and who actually gives a fuck.

Putting that and the result aside, I saw some brief positives last night. We had a spell midway through the 2nd half where we had Davies sitting deeper with Mirallas, Sigurdsson, Vlasic & Lookman ahead of him. During that period there was genuine pace and creativity that I thought Lyon were struggling to deal with.

I can't understand why Mirallas was taken off but, even so, this is the kind of line-up we are capable of putting out and simply must at Goodison. We must go at teams like we are gracing the turf, they are in our yard, and we are going to take them apart. If we do, I'm sure the dividends will come.

We should then be able to re-introduce the like of Sandro & Klaassen into a more confident side. I believe these guys have something to offer us long-term but are not at the races right now.

We have the players now lets get a manager that can deploy and motivate them properly.

I've rarely watched / gone to a game knowing we're going to get beat before a ball has been kicked. Even against the Premier League big boys, I always think we might be able to nick a point. The giving away of the penalty in the first 5 minutes was pretty much the nail in the coffin.

I don't get to go to games very often and usually sit behind a goal, but yesterday I was in the family enclosure, about 6 feet from Mr Koeman. I probably spent more time watching him than I did the game as it's not something you really see on telly or pick up on when you're sat some distance away.

Koeman was effectively talking people through the game. In the 1st half he spent most of his time telling Holgate when he could push on and when to stay back and defend, likewise with Vlasic. I don't know if this is normal, micromanaging or a lack of trust in the players, but he was giving out an unbelievable amount of instructions. Then there was an incident where Lyon had a throw just on the half-way line. All 3 of our central midfielders were pointing and shouting at each other trying to get the other one to go and pick up the nearest man to the ball. These are basic things. If they don't know whose job that is, then they are either not being given sufficient pre-match briefings or are getting so many instructions, that they don't know whether they are coming or going.

For the last 15 minutes of the second half, Koeman kept shouting at Williams and Keane, to effectively hoof it up front at the first available opportunity. What is the point in spending all that money on midfielders, if you're just going to bypass them and go long? I appreciate there was a need for a goal, but Lookman isn't going to win any of those headers and Calvert-Lewin was up against a bigger stronger centre half.

Keane, looks frightened to death. Whenever he has the ball, he immediately beckons someone to come towards him and gestures as though there isn't a pass on. Sure, sometimes there might not be, but it looks like it's become so ingrained that it happens naturally and his body language just says “Panic!”

The team as a whole don't have any real structure, plan or playing style and that is something that has to be levelled at the coaching side of things.

I was so fed up, I even rang TalkSport on the way home and spent another 2 hours not being able to get home on the M62. That was probably more fun than the previous 90 minutes.

Giving Lookman a 5 is pretty harsh given others have a 6 or 7. Lookman coming on changed the game for us. The reason his end result wasn't forthcoming was because he took on the opposition and they put players onto him. That gave other team members more space. We've missed pace and the ability to pull the opposition out of position, this season.

Williams's outburst may have spilled over but that is exactly what we've missed in the team all season. That passion, that show of desire and that aggression. So far it's all been all nicey nicey and the players appeared dumbed down. Let that aggression and frustration out – get them fired up before the game!! Everyone has been far too passive.

I don't think Koeman is the right fit, not right now but if he can turn things around and get that level of passion out of the players on a regular basis... Go for it! He might just make it if he does.

Where do some people get their ideas from? We've had enough dour fuckers in our technical area. Get someone in who at least look like he gives a flying one.

Yesterday, someone posted about not having brought replacements once Jagielka and Baines passed 30. I believe primetime for the players is from 25 to 32. After that, they start losing pace and form and need adequate rest with rotations. So whose mistake was that?

It should be manager and scout responsibility to co-ordinate and identify available players with similar traits as Jagielka and Baines had and demand it to the board, who then look after negotiating deal with agents and other club board members and that is Kenwright. For me, it is fault of both Martinez, Walsh and Koeman. Now it has not just become embarrassing for fans but also for Jagielka and Baines, whose legendary status is getting tarnished by their struggles this season.

Koeman is constantly playing players out of position and looks bereft of ideas for tactics. Arsenal are there for the taking this weekend, having lost to Watford and beating 10-man _____ only due to an unstoppable goal. If we have a proper go at their defence right from the start, we can easily win it. But knowing Koeman, he will play both Gana and Schneiderlin and bench Davies and Mirallas.

He is a carbon copy of Wright-Phillips, all pace and no end product. He is also very lightweight and shoved off the ball easy.

I hope he develops as we badly need some pace. But until he learns to cross the ball, or hold onto it better, he should be in the U23s.

It either shows a lack of maturity from the player or just plain apathy. I hope its the former, because – barring Pickford – no other player came out of that game with any credit and Holgate was one of the worst performers.

He should be loaned out to a Championship club; certainly shouldn't be anywhere near the first team. His defending is suspect and his passing atrocious.

Anyways, Koeman is not doing him any favours by constantly changing his position rather than playing him at single position. Kenny is miles better than him at right back.

Paying off a manager who is bringing the club to it's knees, should not even be an issue. We have wasted millions on ineffective players, over the years (as has every club) and it's time now to bite the bullet, and get rid of this soulless, inept man. A few million spent saving our club from the depths of despair,will seem like a bargain,in the years ahead.

I've watched Everton for 63 years, and I can honestly say, I cannot figure this team out. Style, who should play where, who is actually good enough to be in the team, too old, too young, off form, out of favour, injured, couldn't care less, it's an absolute mess.

Top to bottom, we are in trouble!

We have signed Rodney's brother from Only Fools and Horses – this lad is a Championship player (another £25/30 million wasted ).

Once Funes Mori is fit, he will walk back into this team to partner Jagielka or Williams under Moyes, who will be our manager before the Leicester game.

[If you can say Keane is a good player, I can post this.] .

What would we have to lose, compared to right now, giving Unsworth a run until Xmas? Get Ross back on board, too.

We can't afford relegation – or another Koeman transfer window.

Mourinho certainly knows how to keep defensive shapes and he learnt from him, might come in handy. Imagine a Milan or Arsenal game away after taking the lead in the knockout round or big games of the Europa League.

Just a presumption, mate, not certainty though. I take my word back if you don't like it; just my small opinion, not calling for a bashing or slating for it.

He wants to keep control, be it behind the cover (and that's what he is – a cover) of Moshiri and his billions.

I feel that, as long as Kenwright and his gang are in control, we will continue to fail.

And, even though fresh memories are stronger and starker, there's been very few occasions when things were so dismal. I would suggest Mike Walker's short reign or Walter Smith's long good-bye. The '70s, for instance, were pretty barren, trophy-wise, after the title in 1970, but we had some decent teams, and gave it a go, once in a while. Gordon Lee went close, for one. And we had Bob Latchford, Dave Thomas, Bruce Rioch, Duncan McKenzie – oh, and Andy King, of course!

Ronald Koeman has been given enough time – and money, I dare say. To him, I'll quote Oliver Cromwell and Leo Amery: "You have sat too long here for any good you have been doing. Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go!"

We have had four or five opportunities to 'turn the corner' but we keep on managing to avoid it.

I can't see anything changing with Koeman, I feel like his body language from Day One said he didn't want to be at Everton and if it was saying it then, it's screaming it now.

Let him go and have done with it; hand the first team to Unsworth and give him a go.

If they do let Koeman go, I don't think he will give a shit.

COYB

Koeman deserves all the criticism that he gets. The only way he will be applauded is when he leaves. Don't put too much on our younger players. I feel that they are actually our best hope even if they do make mistakes. Davies is always visible.

I really do think that we should give Unsworth backed up by Ferguson a chance. They are Evertonians and more importantly motivators, Why bring in some highfalutin {I don't care if it's not a word}, over-paid foreigner who will only want to come for money. All of the top managers from abroad really only want cash to make themselves rich and to boost their already huge egos.

I still think we do have the players to make a good team. They just need to be played in the right position as well as having a manager who can make them believe in themselves.

The School of Science concept is now mocked by our younger fans as just a myth of history but you should have been here to see it. Now it's gone for ever – just like a lot of psuedo-Evertonians before long!

I am not one for changing managers but to me Koeman is making that decision easier every game. Yes, it is not easy to bed in a lot of new players but as manager you should be using a formation and style of play that suits them, not forcing them to play in a style that they are not comfortable with,and playing them out of position.

A number of players are being slagged off as no use, yet these players are full internationals who most supporters were happy we signed them. They don't become poor players overnight so there must be other factors that make them into poor players, and it is the manager's responsibility to develop a style that brings the best out of them, even if it is not the style of play he wants.

Klaassen seems to have the innate ability to surprise you that he's actually on the pitch. Our esteemed TW Dutch football expert, Erik Dols, warned us about this guy. And it seems he was spot on. We should have gone for Ziyech instead.

Keane looks like money down the drain. Constantly out of position or ball watching and painfully slow. This can be said of Schneiderlin as well.

Special mention for Williams who tried his best all night to get himself sent off and couldn't even get that right.

The youngsters Vlasic, Davies and Lookman at least showed some attacking intent.

And two great set-pieces from Sigurdsson showing what £45m should get you.

You're not the only one wondering at what's going down, Tony.

Conspiratorial to say there's a deliberate compromising of the club and team perhaps, but if you were writing a drama about the deliberate compromising of a club and team, there would be many parallels.

It's extremely common for certain managers to micro-manage their teams, so nothing amiss there to be honest. Moyes did it, so did Martinez. Tony Pulis springs to mind, as well as Conte, Guardiola, Mourinho does it at times as well.

I wouldn't read too much into that style of management or coaching as a negative thing – like I say, it's pretty common.

For me, what you say is delusional fantasy.

Tony Marsh (#24). You actually believe that Ronald Koeman, a very wealthy man who has ambition to manage Barcelona, is deliberately losing at Everton to engineer a career damaging pay off ? You actually believe that?

Sometimes, Tony, when you hammer enough shite at the club, you will be able to gloat that you were right all along. Koeman is shite, should be fired and gone. So should posts like #24.

If we had played a half-decent team last night, we would have got smashed. I honestly wouldn't back us to beat anyone at present. We need a change at the helm to inject a bit of passion back into the club.

I for one want Koeman to succeed but unless something changes quickly a relegation battle is on. Those teams promoted are holding their own at present with very good managers. Yes, Koeman is to blame and if he goes the director of football goes with him. A striker was a must and he should have over ruled Koeman to get a striker before further signings after Lukaku was sold.

If we don't win on Sunday, something must change but I'm not getting carried away. It's time the players put in a shift and battle for the jersey and their self-pride.

Why would Moshiri, at this stage, having spent so much money, say "My bad, all a big mistake, let's start over?" Of course he is not going to do that. He is going to persevere with Koeman and hope he is going to work it out. It may not be confidence. It may be ego. It is like buying a painting. The more you paid for it the more you want to believe it's real.

Moshiri isn't going to sack Koeman, if he sacks him at all, before the end of the season. I am hoping that by then Koeman has proved all of the Koeman Out brigade wrong. By the way, Wenger claims it takes at least four months for two new players to get used to each other's play. We have how many?

Also, Koeman chose to replace existing players with many new signings. I guess he wouldn't agree with Wenger, since that would make Koeman's own project of a team for the Champion's League in three seasons, impossible.

The Koeman brothers are obviously talking double Dutch (pardon the pun) and the players are lost. There are decent players in that team that need a good leader to make them shine so I believe we need to make it loud and clear to Kenwright and Moshiri that he's gotta go immediately.

Use whatever tactics you want but get the message in their faces and on TV. How many games of his tenure have been great to watch? I mean how many of us who have jobs would still be in them with a return as bad as Koeman's?

He was brought here to get us top 6 and he brings in Martina, Stekelenburg and Williams. The alarm bells were ringing for me long ago and now they are are deafening with his puzzling formations and lack of responsibility.

Loud and Clear... Koeman Out!

Let's say Koeman gets sacked Sunday teatime and the new guy is ready to walk in Monday bright and early. One and a bit days to learn the names then off to London.

We look at the fixtures: Leicester, Lyon, Watford. Which one do we sacrifice.

Yeah well there's a 2-week break in November... do it then. Yeah but remember all the New Guys players will be away, they come back Thursday(?)...A day and a bit to learn the names and it's Palace on Saturday.

For how long? well really, just as long as you like to keep putting it off for – that's how long... there IS no good time. It isn't bad, badder, baddest. It's good, bad, worst.

Last week was a better time than this week, this week will be a better time than next week... next week etc.

NOW.

Meanwhile...

Consider that Moshiri is no mug. That's a fact. Do you think after pursuing Koeman, paying Southampton a sizeable transfer fee, supporting his, Walsh's and BK's transfer targets and finding for all his troubles he is faced with this balls-up he is simply going to do nothing?
No chance.

Behind the scenes activities will include damage limitation for the exodus, public humiliation limitation, and don't think that Koeman will simply walk away with the rest of his contract as a lump sum. Via his lawyer he will be well compensated I am sure, but I would expect there will be a reasonable performance / professional standard clause written in to protect Moshiri's interests.

Koeman has failed and failed miserably. He sees his career going down the toilet, similar to how Moyes, went. As a supremely arrogant twat, he is also probably enduring a bit of an identity crisis with the reality of what he has done comes crashing in on him.

Moshiri is nobody's fool. Koeman will learn this if he hasn't done so already. The probable error of Moshiri was to invest too much well intentioned power into Koeman in the belief that the tough nut could change the museum club management approach how it should be done. Unfortunately Koeman was not up to it. He has until the end of October. Can he get results against Arsenal and Chelsea? Very doubtful. When he goes, will the old and new tag team of Unsy and Royle come in? Possibly, on a temporary basis, or possibly a new man which could surprise us.

We will know soon enough!

Let's get something clear: One game is all I remember his team looking organised and getting a result they deserved. The rest has been a mishmash of unorganised rubbish. We need points now. Most top clubs and even smaller clubs would of had him out of the door long ago but not "If you know your History" fuckin Everton.

We are plagued with having a fantasist as an owner and, worst of all, we have put up with some proper lies and bullshit.

Like I said in an earlier post. In front of the owners and TV we need to show that we won't put up with it any longer.

Koeman Out!!

Kenwright is behind this mess. How does a club sell its best striker and know 12 months in advance he's going and still doesn't get a replacement in? No cover for left-back. No left-footed centre-half. An absolute disgrace.

Everton will do nothing whilst Kenwright has any influence at Goodison. He definitely doesn't get on with Koeman. Koeman won't bleed blue blood like Kenwright but he's played at the top level.

He may not be the best manager in the world either. However, to go into an Premier League season without a striker and an aging defence is asking for trouble v and boy are we in trouble.

Did Koeman get us to two semi-finals in one season? Who was the last man to do so and when?

Did Koeman get us to the quarter-final of a European Competition? Who is the only man to have taken us further, and how many other men have equalled it?

Now tell us it was worse under Bobby.

I would love nothing more than for Koeman to turn this around but he isn't giving anyone any indication that it is going to happen. His team selections are getting more bizarre by the week. The confidence in the players looks shot. Where are the leaders on the pitch?

Williams is a leader, limited in ability but he is a leader. Davies is a leader, albeit a very young one. Rooney is a leader though he is playing him out of position and that's it.

Flare players are being left out altogether in favour of Number 10s. A Number 10 is a player who plays in the hole behind the striker and creates space for others whilst being able to slide a pass through to the strikers and Koeman is playing at least 3 of them every week.

We all want to close the gap on the top teams and maybe I am missing what Koeman is trying to do. I watched Real Madrid in the week who played 4 centre midfielders in their line-up without any width but they have movement and some of the best in the world.

Koeman needs to look at our strengths and try to play to them. Paying £45m to play a player out of position yet he is destroying Klaassen by putting him in whilst he is a mile off the pace.

Buying so many new players plus injuries has forced his hand a bit but I see no formation or tactics that will win us a match. He isn't going to last much longer... I just hope they don't leave it too late as this team haven't got the mentality for a dog fight.

There is something stinking at our club. It will come out and I hope that the players and board will be exposed as much as the coach.

How many games have we lost this season and said that it was an unfair result? We're getting tonked week-in & week-out, and we deserve it. This is the worst we have been since the darkest days of Smith and his 6 centre-halves on the pitch. Only we spent a fortune.

Shocking away form throughout, terrible style of play and abysmal cup results from a man whose been unfairly compared to Moyes while he's been here. At least with Moyes his extremely cagey and limited style of play was fairly competently executed in the main and produced reasonable results for the most part.

To think the last fella got hounded out for getting to 2 semi finals in one season and being in the top 8 until the last couple of months of the season when the wheels fell off entirely. Why is Koeman still here?

If Koeman isn't sacked after we lose to Arsenal on Sunday or he doesn't resign in shame then everything above must be true?

Surely even you can see there might just be a logical fallacy in there somewhere, Tony? I mean, you've accepted that most of the shite you come up with is conjecture rather than fact, as you so glibly state it.

You do set up an interesting corollary, however: if Koeman is sacked or does resign in shame, then by your questionable logic, everything you spout above is garbage. Hmmm

I was not defending Koeman's record but pointing out he is playing without a centre forward due to negligence. Kenwright got Lukaku for Bobbyand spent big to do it: £28m. He then sold Lukaku (as EFC always do – cf Lineker), and did not spend big to replace him. Whatever job you do, you need the proper tools.

Vic was European Welterweight Champion from 1966-73 and British welterweight champion from 1973-77.

Vic went on to become sales manager for Thwaite Brewery. Sadly there is no information on Bert currently available.

They were winners, unlike Koeman who is a perennial and persistent loser, having been sacked from or walked away from three of his last four managerial appointments. I don't include Southampton in that total by the way.

Martina - Absolutely fucking shite.
Holgate - Never a right back, constantly loses his man when hes CB
Keane - Looked good at first, seems to have zero confidence now and is all over the place.
Jagielka - Was past it last year, least effective "captain" in living memory.
Williams - Shit from day one, now looks morbidly obese and is just a red card on legs.
Baines - Now I love Baines, but watching him wandering around seemingly not arsed yesterday, coupled with his recent performances, time to move on I'm afraid.
Funes-Mori - May not come back from this injury the player he was, and he wasnt much anyway!
Kenny - Admirable attitude but in all honesty doesn't look ready for the Premeir League.

Happy Thursday,Friday-see you Saturday!