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Bob Parrington
1 Posted 06/11/2017 at 07:43:26
Good report, Lyndon. One thing that shouldn't go unsaid is that we almost threw it away in the final minutes by allowing them in to the point that the penalty was awarded. We're not out of the mire yet but the comeback and win in a good start. We played OK for much of the 2nd Half.

I'd like to see Niasse in the starting line-up for the next few EPL games, even if it is just for the energy he can provide. if he's a diamond, he is a very raw one but we have to give him credit for his effort and attitude.

Rooney was a worry! Too often too slow to the ball, leading to rapid counter attack positions for Watford. Something quite noticeable was also that regularly our players were getting in each others' way and on quite a few occasions we would see 2 or 3 Everton players going to the one Watford player as they were building attacks, leaving too many unmarked opponents. In fact , this seems to be a common fault this season - we're leaving far too much room for opposition players to either be in or move in to.

Regardless, Phew! A win at last! Well done Unsy and the team.

Bob Parrington
2 Posted 06/11/2017 at 08:06:58
Sorry I omitted to say that Rooney also provides some great touches and passes with foresight. What the manager has to do is to weight op the costs and the benefits, I suppose!
Paul Tandy
3 Posted 06/11/2017 at 09:16:25
I have no issue with Rooney or Sigurdsson playing in the team. Just don't play them together!
Thomas Lennon
4 Posted 06/11/2017 at 09:21:25
Enjoyable game well won and I think we need to start to use some of the off the ball streetfighting techniques the Watford were very expert at - obstruction off the ball to let attackers in or prevent attackers getting past their man. Niasse was shoved all over the place and never won a long ball, plenty of timewasting too. Our centre backs were rolled several times and I didn't see us doing it - perhaps because there was no opportunity until we went to two at the top.

It seems pretty clear at the moment we try to shut out and concede possession for an hour (don't trust our centre backs? Or are our subs too lightweight/inexperienced to make an impact in the first half?) then bring some pace on as they tire. Niasse had no chance of getting into the game until DCL came on with two on him, then they both scored, I think we could think of making those changes earlier. Rooney was too often the cause of (threatening) breakdowns rather than a creator/linkman across the front/striker, he was trying to do everything.

Nonetheless - we CAN score good goals without a main striker, Niasse HAS got ability that catches defenders out though not as a target man for the long ball (all the opposition has to do is stop him turning). I would be happy with Unsy till January, though I have to say that was not the case after 60min.

John Hammond
5 Posted 06/11/2017 at 10:03:49
Bob #2: I think this is what blinds people when they think Rooney should be starting and he's our best player. Nice touches and passes (when they reach a team mate) but his continued place in the starting XI means we have other players not in their best positions. As Thomas #4 says he tries to do everything and on the counter slows it all down. We need to start picking a consistent balanced XI with forwards played as forwards and No10's as No10's. None of our attacking players have been given a fair chance with a decent run in their best position apart from Rooney and he's not the best in any position he plays in!
Steve Ferns
6 Posted 06/11/2017 at 10:13:03
John, Rooney is his own worst enemy. Often in games this season he has been both the best and worst player.

Yesterday, he was asctually playing on the left of a front three. But it looked like a 451, because he, and Sigurdsson to be fair, were both racing back. He was charging up and down that left flank all of the first half. I would like to see the yards covered stats, because he really put a shift in, maximum effort for sure.

His passing is superb, his touches too. But what seems to happen, to me, is that he tires. Some players seem to tire gradually, and slowly they start to become less effective. Rooney just seems to blow up, and suddenly he cannot pass, his touch is gone and then he seems to play on adrenalin and starts diving into tackles he does not need to make, and should not be making.

I thought Rooney did ok the first half. Second half he seemed to tire quickly, and then he seemed like he was trying too hard.

What we need to do with him, is somehow to persuade him to play upfront and only upfront. To play his position only. Sure cover the flank, but the left forward should not be diving into tackles on the left of his own box.

Paul Kennedy
7 Posted 06/11/2017 at 10:15:00
Great report. I must confess I switched the game off and was in a sullen mood so imagine my delight when I found out we had managed a comeback from 2 down for the second time in our Premier League history. I have since watched the match again and we really need to stop playing players out of position and realise that some of our most big-hearted players are really not doing the side any favours.

We cannot continue to put our key buys into roles they are not adapted to to facilitate other players who are coming to the end of their careers.
John Hammond
8 Posted 06/11/2017 at 10:28:41
Steve #6: No doubt he's putting maximum effort in but we don't need him popping up at left back and playing a lazy pass straight to an opponent or dropping deep then getting dispossessed too easily and putting us in trouble. Wasn't Koeman screaming at him to stay up front in several games? I'm sure it's been brought up a million times with him but he won't change. He's got to be involved in everything, that's just the type of player he is and it's to our detriment.
Andy McNabb
9 Posted 06/11/2017 at 10:48:42
Thanks for the report, Lyndon. Good way to wake up on a Monday morning for once.

Have I missed some news about Ken Buckley? Haven't seen a report from him for a while.

Alan Bodell
10 Posted 06/11/2017 at 11:16:32
The main thing that got us the win was the excellent harrassing we put on them, never letting them settle which has been so lacking all season.
Niasse was just wonderful with his energy (yeah so what if he isn't the most gifted ?) and the masterstroke of the 3 subs with their combined energy totally swung it for us, a brilliant day indeed.
James Flynn
11 Posted 06/11/2017 at 12:07:10
Great opening sentence, Lyndon. Good stuff.

Agree with Steve on Wayne. He really was running up and down the pitch at the beginning. Then, just like that, he looked shot.

The win was the best part. But have to add, that Goodison roar (and mine) got so loud there, my wife sat down to watch the last half-hour. And laughed at the end at her white-haired old man acting like a little kid. Ah well.

I wonder what effect Mirallas and Schneids getting the boot had on the squad?

Jer Kiernan
12 Posted 06/11/2017 at 12:11:58
It wasnt pretty but pulsating encounter , I don't want Dyche . I believe if we are to show the ambition of getting in Top 4 ,New Stadium ,Investor etc we need a Top class proven winnner ,, I would prefer Rhino was given untill Xmas , I feel we have more than enough to survive in this league and should wait for the right man,, If Dyche wants it he will still want it at the end of season, I expect Burnley to crumble and find themselves in our position by Feb

Let hold off who is avail right now ? I don't feel any younger this morning !!

John Keating
13 Posted 06/11/2017 at 12:18:53
It would be nice to think that we have "bottomed out" and can slowly progress.
However, we cannot get by with luck as we did yesterday. Our major deficiencies still remain and we can only hope whoever takes the helm can iron them out sooner rather than later.
Watford will have gone back down the road and wondered how they lost that but for us, well the result was far more important than the way we got it.
Palace have got pace to spare and against our defence there is only one winner. I just hope our luck stays in until we get a few more points on the board.
On the players, well if they don't want to give everything for the shirt then bin them. I would sooner give young Beni a chance, mistakes and bad days and all, than a no effort Schneids.
Martin Nicholls
14 Posted 06/11/2017 at 12:43:15
Good report Lyndon. It was great to be at The Old Lady when she one again found her voice and drove the team on. Like James#11 and the vast majority, I stook with our team in the face of adversity - sadly, a few others didn't and walked out as soon as Watford scored their second. On another thread, Dave Abrahams (supported by others) rightly castigated a number of contributors to TW for declaring that they have given up supporting our Club. Those few individuals who walked out deserve similar criticism and on a day that we rightly remembered those who have made the ultimate sacrifice, it occurred to me that those who give up on our Club so readily and easily are the last one's I'd want alongside me in the trenches! Hope they enjoyed our comeback on MOTD2!
Brent Stephens
15 Posted 06/11/2017 at 13:04:02
Watford's number 3 won pretty much all of the high balls sent up to Niasse on our right (no criticism of Niasse - love him). When Dom came on, he, as usual, won balls in the air. I think his contribution is undervalued in games.
Geoff Williams
16 Posted 06/11/2017 at 13:16:10
Since Usworth has taken charge the results haven't been great but there are clear signs of improvement. There is more energy and passion in the play and we have been creating chances, although not always taking them. Usworth has given most of the squad a chance to prove their worth. He has had very little opportunity to work on the training field with the players but there now seems to be a closeness and a camaraderie which was totally lacking under Koeman. I think he should be given until at least Christmas to show he is up to the job.
Oliver Brunel
17 Posted 06/11/2017 at 13:24:45
Martin (14) I accept your point to some extent but the 'trenches' analogy doesnt hold. I wilfully refused to watch the Lyon away game for the first time in living memory. I have been to all the European aways , Kharkiv, Nuremburg, Ruzemberok etc etc. However my feeling was, and , has been vindicated I think ,by the 'Mirallas and Schneiderlin debacle, that if the players cant give 100% effort then they don't deserve support. And yes you can be sure I would be in the trenches, unlike some of the fairies who play for our team.
John Raftery
18 Posted 06/11/2017 at 13:25:10
A great result cannot disguise the problems we have all over the park.

Defensively we were again a complete shambles. Pickford creates problems by rushing prematurely off his line, clearing the ball erratically and palming the ball to the feet of opposing forwards. Keane is too ponderous and weak to be a top class central defender. That he has now been drafted into the England squad says everything about the paucity of decent centre backs currently available.

In central midfield we have improved in recent games but still lack the ability to control a game for sustained periods, looking wide open when we lose possession. It was disappointing that yet another manager saw fit to select both Rooney and Sigurdsson in the same starting eleven. Neither can get around the pitch to any effect and the inclusion of both deprives the team of any pace or width to support the attack. Taking them off allowed us ultimately to win the match but we will rarely be as fortunate as we were yesterday.

The priority in the coming games must be to sort out the team as a defensive unit with the aim of recording a couple of clean sheets away from home. I remain unsure if Unsworth has sufficient experience and pragmatism to do that with this mixed bag of a squad consisting of old players past their best, expensive misfits and young players not yet ready to play every week.

Sam Hoare
19 Posted 06/11/2017 at 13:27:03
I'm delighted by the result yesterday but continue to have major doubts about ALL of our big money signings this Summer.

Michael Keane for example continues to show some abysmal positioning and tendency to watch the ball and not his man. For example go the 20 min highlights on the OS and go to around 13:14 and you will see a moment when Gray spins Jags to get in behind and meanwhile Will Hughes saunters into the box. Keane is so busy watching the ball 30 meters away that he is no within 6 ft of Hughes who would have had the easiest header, totally unmarked had Gray's cross not been a foot too high. I hope someone shows the clip on repeat to Michael and says 'stop worrying about the ball 30m away (!!) and concentrate on the players in your vicinity running into scoring positions as all semi- decent centre backs should do'. He's got a long way to go before he convinces me that hes a £30m defender.

Martin Nicholls
20 Posted 06/11/2017 at 13:31:21
Oliver#17 - the trenches analogy was somewhat tongue in cheek! As for you not watching the Lyon game, that is a far cry from those who on these pages have openly declared that they will no longer support Everton and those who similarly cease to support the team by walking out of a match as soon as the going gets tough on the pitch.
Phil Walling
21 Posted 06/11/2017 at 13:56:54
I fully expect Unsy to get the gig until the end of the season with a review clause providing for him to be paid off if we are still lower end at Christmas.

This will give the decision makers time to see if 'Our Dave' has got what it takes as well as discovering which of the Dyche/Howe/Silva 'beauty parade' can last the course.

The best we can hope for 2017/18 is survival.

Russ Quinlan
22 Posted 06/11/2017 at 14:46:12
Looking at their goals and some more chances they should have scored from, it seems like Jags can no longer take charge of the penalty area as most of the headers came from players he was trying to mark. I think Keane is a damn good signing but having either Williams or Jags at his side just makes him go for balls he can't win because he has no faith in his partners.
We need a big commanding CH in January, someone who can play alongside Keane and also teach him how to play with a proper, solid partner.
Jags has done fantastic for us over the years but is past it as is Baines, Kenny is bedding in nicely now as well but until we replace Jags and Baines (and godawful Williams!) we are going to see more of the same.

But for today its a massive relief !

Brian Porter
23 Posted 06/11/2017 at 15:43:40
Too many people are being quick to write off David Unsworth's chances of getting the job full time. I think, in most cases, a new manager would possibly have up to four weeks in which to complete his first four games in charge. Unsworth had four games in TWO WEEKS, hardly time to fit in a new training schedule or to have more than one session between games.

Add to that the fact that the players were in a state of collapsed morale after Koeman's reign of terror, at an all time low after the Arsenal defeat, and I honestly wonder just what people expected from Unsworth. I doubt ANY manager could have come in and achieved an immediate run of positive results. Everyone seemed happy to see small signs of revival at first under Unsworth but frustration at two cup defeats and one in the league quickly turned to dissatisfaction.

We shouldn't expect miracles.

Mike Dolan
24 Posted 06/11/2017 at 15:52:56
'Everton kick start their heart' what a great line Lyndon. The really great thing about the win against Watford and I acknowledge that we needed luck in buckets to get that result, is that finally we are actually showing heart .

There are lots of reasons why this horrific start to the season buried our collective heart but we need to thank David Unsworth for finding the program that will kickstart our heart.

I will never think it was a smart move to fire Koeman but I do have to admit that while the results have not been great under Unsy we have seen for the first time this season glimmers of spirit and ease on the ball not quite joy but less fear from the players.

We are fragile and brittle at the back I think the sudden aging of Bain's. Williams and Jags has been one of the fundamental problems that has rippled through a team that was given a mountain of a fixture list to start the new season with. We just never got unpacked.

I have not given up hope on any of the new signings I hope Klaasan and Sandro can be eased into the team and can become the players that we expected. Give Unsy till the end of the season maybe we only get into the top 10 but incorporate the players we have get them playing in a style that we can build on. I hope we will not even contemplate bringing an old hack like Allardyce or a young hack like Dyche. Lets continue to kick start our hearts.

Dennis Stevens
25 Posted 06/11/2017 at 15:55:40
Apparently, to not demand instant success of Unsworth is to be too "sentimental"!
Charles Brewer
26 Posted 06/11/2017 at 16:21:22
What an interesting weekend. Everton are being led by an inexperienced manager off the pitch and a pretty talentless centre forward on it. ManU are led by one of the most accomplished managers in the history of the game and have a centre forward who scores loads.

But when the chips are down, our inferior manager manages to get it right, and our hopeless centre forward batters his way through fouls and demoralisation. Meanwhile, Mourinho is losing it and the ManU fans are starting to see the side of Lukaku that many of us loathed - great at scoring the third and fourth goals in a 5-0 win, crap at fighting for success.

Everton FC is currently a shambles with a terrible mix of over-the-hill, too-young, overpaid imported players without a clue as to how to play as a team. However, as Joe Royle showed (and maybe the great 80s team also did) you don't need to have the world's most talented collection of prima donnas (interestingly, it literally doesn't make sense to have more than one prima donna, but ManU - and maybe Liverpool - have quite a collection), to win. You need "the stomach for the fight"; that's what Leicester had.

I think Unsworth could be very important for this club in regaining its soul and its connection to the fans. Remember that in 1967 Celtic won the European Cup with every player born within 30 miles of Glasgow. I'm pretty sure that they weren't all the best players in the positions they played, indeed I suspect it's quite likely none of them were. So what could it have been that drove them to win?

Rick Tarleton
27 Posted 06/11/2017 at 16:21:29
If Allardyce, and he seems to be emerging as favourite, is the choice, I'd rather have Unsworth. by the way in a minutes per goal ratio Niasse must have quite favorable stats.
Question , who's the worst buy for the huge amount spent? Schneiderlin? Klaassen? Sigurdsson? For me Schneiderlin just about wins it, but I'd accept that Sigurdsson looks totally disinterested and Klaassen looks like a park footballer asked to play semi-pro. it's beyond him.
Stan Schofield
29 Posted 06/11/2017 at 16:49:32
Statements that Unsworth is out of his depth at 1st team level are just assertions. We actually don't know, and won't know unless he's given time. Koeman was given loads of time despite repeated shite performances, and if someone else takes over they'll need time, and they'd be given it.

I'd rather give him time than have some mediocre no-mark like Allardyce as manager.

Chris Gordon
31 Posted 06/11/2017 at 17:36:43
We're all getting hard ons for beating Watford at home. This shows the depths to which we've plummeted this season
Tom Bowers
32 Posted 06/11/2017 at 17:52:04
It certainly would appear that some of the senior wage guys are just collecting wages although that is easy to say considering that most of the squad have been playing below par and not playing as a tight knit unit.
Rooney, Schneiderlin, Klassen and Sygi could easily be singled out but I would be ready to admit that without good offensive penetration Everton have suffered badly.
Gana at Lyon, Sygi and Baines all missed what were open goals at times when scoring might have made a big difference.
When the so called strikers fail to get opportunities one hopes that experienced players from other positions can sometimes step up.
Everton have in recent seasons had people doing just that, like Seamus and Joleon Lescott but not so much now.
Gylfi was seen to be the new addition to do that but he has looked nothing like what he was.
Oliver Brunel
33 Posted 06/11/2017 at 19:07:23
As I predicted the Emperor Palpatine now takes centre field as Usmanov squirms and the Sith Lord gets his toys back and rolls out the new choice of Manager: Allardyce (Jabba The Hutt).
Jack Convery
34 Posted 06/11/2017 at 21:23:26
If we can't get Van Dijk and I very much doubt we will, then the lad Gibson at Boro could be agood bet. We need a CH who can defend at corners. Our we marking zonely at corners ? if so we need to pack it in. yesterday they had first run on most of our defence but mostly Jags. hate to say it but this is his last season at Goodsion.
Will Mabon
35 Posted 06/11/2017 at 21:27:34
Lyndon;kickstart their heart.

A fantastic line, and says succinctly everything I tried to explain in a long post elsewhere.

Encapsulates the very reason we should have some balls and wait before making a dangerous leap for another manager so soon.

Brent Stephens
36 Posted 06/11/2017 at 21:28:52
Jack, that would give us Ben and Lewis Gibson at CH! Useful if one is about to get a second yellow...
Will Mabon
37 Posted 06/11/2017 at 21:31:52
Charles, 26 - great post.
Simon Dalzell
38 Posted 06/11/2017 at 23:19:10
Brian @23 Stan @29 As I sat "enjoying" my letterbox view at the back of Lower Bullens,I felt very uneasy at the Koemanesque nature of the starting line up.Was Unsworth suffering amnesia ? Back to the no width and pace scenario.Lookman was in every supporters starting line up.NOT Unsworths.Where was Vlasic ? Not even in the squad,CRAZY. In the 4 games hes had,there have been some bemusing decisions.For 65 minutes yesterday, it was as bad,if not worse than ever,and we ended up with virtually the team that should have started.Rookies do not ,and should not be thrust into this situation.Premier history tells you that it doesn't happen.For obvious reasons.Not the time to "experiment".Thanks for the vital win that we stumbled upon yesterday and the U23 successes. It worries me that people on here want him to continue.The vast majority of ex players and it looks like the owners realize that EXPERIENCE is needed.Lets hope common sense prevails,and soon.
John Boon
39 Posted 07/11/2017 at 05:04:31
Delighted to win, and pleased for Unsworth. I was also sorry to see Koeman go when he did He should have gone six months before. He made the worst signings we have ever made, and was a totally useless manager with zero skills in communicating with the fans the media or, obviously, the players.

I was always a supporter of Unsworth as player because he gave one hundred percent every game. As a manager of a Premier league I am still uncertain. Does really know the players? I just don't understand why he doesn't play Vlasic. I don't think he has had one bad game since he came. I would hate him to lose confidence. It is tough for any young player to regularly play well. It must be even more so if you are from a foreign country trying to adapt to the culture.

I would really like Unsy to succeed but He seems to be unsure of his lineups. With the present Everton bunch of players it must be very challenging to decide who should play where. He really might not have enough time to show what he has in his magic box.

Brian Porter
40 Posted 07/11/2017 at 07:03:21
Rick Tarleton #27, on goals per minutes played, Niasse is currently the Premier League's top scorer. If Koeman had swallowed his pride and ditched his prejudices against the lad at the start of the season, he might still be in a job. Leaving him out of the Europa League squad, despite being our only recognised centre forward was another example of Koeman putting his personal animosity towards the player before the interests of the club.

Instead we ended up going into our EL campaign without a recognised striker, so we were effectively hamstrung and hog tied before a ball was kicked. It's almost as if Koeman deliberately threw away our chances in Europe in order to make a point that we needed a centre forward, when we did in fact that one, but he happened to be on Koeman's black list, so the team was made to suffer. Just another example of Koeman's appalling arrogance and self before club.

Bob Parrington
41 Posted 07/11/2017 at 07:28:48
Several on here have been critical of Keane, which is a fair cop but I think Russ Quinlan #22 is on the money. Keane needs, at a minimum, a CD who is tall, strong and can head the ball and that they can learn to work together. Jags was the most guilty of not getting up for headers in the area that lead to Watford most threatening goal opportunities. This isn't new. It's been happening for years. Our CD pairings have been pretty useless in defending crosses.

Not that I think we should sign him but a John Terry type of player would fit the bill for now.

Bob Parrington
42 Posted 07/11/2017 at 07:35:29
Brian #40. Good point but lots on here had the same attitude to Niasse. That is they wrote that he was basically a useless waste of money (this is the nice way to say it).

Sometimes mangers (whether on big $$$$ or not) need to analyse situations better than Koeman, in the case of Niasse. Koeman showed (to me at least) that he was not true value at Pds 6m pa. Mind you, I think this kind of money is obscene for anybody, who is not at risk of losing all in a business, and so there might be lots on here who disagree with me!?

Rick Tarleton
44 Posted 07/11/2017 at 10:06:23
We needed Ben Mee to play alongside Keane and we still do. they fitted together, one was left and one was right-sided and they used speed and intelligence to make up for their lack of height.
Kim Vivian
45 Posted 09/11/2017 at 10:46:29
Charles - 26. I like that post.

Chris - 31. It's not so much that we beat them. It's the way we did it, plus of course the morale boosting tonic of the 3 points.

Those citing lack of experience as a reason not to give Unsworth a chance at least until the end of the year (and I have said it before on another thread) remember Zidane had no managerial experience other than with their reserves before taking charge of R Madrid. I realise obviously that we are not RM and Rhino is not ZZ, but you take my point I'm sure, and maybe see some parallels?

Morris Kruger
46 Posted 09/11/2017 at 10:59:23
Hi, first-time comment from a diehard Everton fan in South Africa.

We watched the match, as we watch all the Everton games, on TV in Johannesburg and never have I felt so dejected then hopeful then relieved and finally elated as we won 3-2. It brought back memories of that Wimbledon get-out-of-jail game.

As an aside, I see the Ken Buckley articles "From my seat" have been missing. Is he, god forbid, not well??? Loved reading all his match reports.

Dennis Stevens
47 Posted 09/11/2017 at 11:22:32
I find it rather comical that people criticise Unsworth for not knowing his best XI when he's just started the job. Would any new manager walk into the job already knowing that? Koeman didn't seem to know his best XI in all the time he was here!

Unsworth is steadily turning the ship around & changing the morale & attitude of the crew, whilst finding out which ones are up for the fight. There's a way to go yet, but we'll reap the rewards over the next couple of months if Unsworth is left in charge.

Whether he can then show enough until the end of the season to remain in post for the long term remains to be seen. However, in the absence of the big name touchline star that Moshiri would prefer, Unsworth is as good a bet in the interim as we're likely to get.


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