The Everton Manager's Job Description

David Johson 10/11/2017  71 Comments  [Jump to last]
Although we can never really know what is discussed behind closed doors, it seems to me that the last three managerial appointments have all been a good fit for the job description as it stood at that moment in time.

Walter Smith under Peter Johnson spent money and left the club in a precarious position. So Bill Kenwright was tasked with finding stability – both in terms of league positions and finances. David Moyes fitted this role. And judging him by this alone, he was a success. The former was aided by generating team spirit over accommodating prima donnas, alongside a tried and tested team method formation that, apart from the odd aberration, made us hard to beat. A system worthy of its own acronym… The latter was done by largely buying cheap, to allow for the occasional splurge (Christmas club style).

When David Moyes left, we can imagine the board amending the job description to address his failings. We see this with respective England managers too – where the young are replaced by the old, or the foreigner by the Englishman, etc. I suspect the perception would have been that the club was now (relatively speaking) more of a contender, and ready to shed the “knife to a gunfight” mentality. And that good youth players were not being given a fair chance. And that the team only functioned well for half a season.

On that basis, I can see why Roberto Martinez got the job. Whatever his failings, he did play more attacking football, and he did integrate more youth players. I may imagining this, but I can imagine him addressing the consistency issue by convincing the board that possession football was the answer. If you are making your opponents chase the ball, you will have fitter players for longer. If the passing style becomes established at all levels, youth players can fit in seamlessly (as they do at Barcelona and Ajax). It would have all been a very long-term vision.

Martinez was ultimately hoisted by his own attacking possession-based football petard. What next? The perception was probably a need for a pragmatist rather than a dreamer. And the squad needed an overhaul – look at the list of sales in the last 2 years to see just how many ageing or expensive but inactive players we had. And enter Moshiri and his money. So let’s get a big name, one who can attract other big names. If he moves on to a bigger job, it will only be because he has been a success. Walsh can take care of the long term. How about that fella who had to cope with endless sales at Southampton?

Moyes did steady the ship; Martinez did change our style; Koeman failed to rebuild; so for me he is the biggest disappointment of the three. I can’t really see what he was trying to do. But his departure has led to problems that we haven’t had before – I don’t know what we are looking for. The circumstances are strange – it is still early in the season, so time to change things, but not that much time. Flirting with relegation without being in the relegation zone. Good players and money, but no squad balance.

So… do we need a short-term appointment with the aim of a permanent one at the end of the season? Or a(nother) long-term appointment now? Or someone on a medium (ie, 2-year) contract? An experienced head to stave off relegation? Or a young ambitious manager? Or more of a coach, to work alongside Walsh? Pay out someone's contract, or get someone available (unemployed!) to save time? Does that squad need a(nother) overhaul or is there talent enough?

Very different characters fit all of those remits and will answer those questions differently. I don’t know the answer, but I suspect the delay in making a decision is because we won’t get the “who” until this is all decided – and it feels muddier this time than it has for many years.

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Michael Penley
1 Posted 10/11/2017 at 15:19:21
You could just as easily call them reactionary appointments, based on one or two criteria that we happened to value most at the time. If we do the same this time and simply bring someone in who has, in contrast to Koeman, a "connection to the players", or "passion for the club" we will find ourselves in the same position fairly soon. We need to cover all bases and draw up a robust manifesto on what a good Everton manager is and what he will do, and I'm not sure the current board has the requisite know-how.
David Charlton
2 Posted 10/11/2017 at 15:29:39
The end of the season is usually the preferred window to make significant changes to personnel, be that players or managers, unless extreme circumstances dictate otherwise. In the absence of an obvious replacement who is available, I wonder whether Unsworth will be given until Christmas to demonstrate if he can improve our position enough to stick with him all season?

If it does not work out and things become desperate, then we would still have time to make whatever managerial change was necessary to do the bare minimum, which is to stay in the Premier League.

Jon Withey
3 Posted 10/11/2017 at 15:35:08
Funnily enough Koeman was probably the smaller risk and with little reward. Although, to be fair to him, his first season wasn't that bad considering the form we were in at the end of Martinez.
Ian Burns
4 Posted 10/11/2017 at 15:37:23
David - good article but you are raising a question which will result in a thread naming every manager available or not available. You might as well have listed all the names and asked Lyndon to run a vote on TW for everybody's opinion.

Moyes was the right choice at the right time - just 4 years too long. I never wanted Martinez and certainly not Koeman and my objections were at the time of the appointment so not in retrospect. So I can put my hand up and suggest who not to choose but I have no idea who should be chosen - no doubt plenty on TW will have their opinions and voice them with one poster dominating the thread and telling the manager what he should be doing.

Stan Schofield
5 Posted 10/11/2017 at 15:43:40
It could depend on what decisions the board have already made. If they have decided to go for a high-profile, 'elite', manager (consistent with what the board were saying 18 months ago about the ambition to get us to the top table), they could make a temporary appointment (or keep Unsworth on) to steady the ship before acting on that longer-term decision.

It's difficult to imagine them not going for a high-profile manager, given that we've already hired and fired one, and given the salary likely to be offered (at least what Koeman was getting as one of the highest paid managers in the world). The salary alone could well attract potential targets.

Martin Nicholls
6 Posted 10/11/2017 at 15:56:46
I'd like to see an elite, high profile manager appointed however that would be inconsistent with our approach to players ie sell the best ones and in some cases (Lukaku) with undue haste
Tony Hill
7 Posted 10/11/2017 at 15:59:18
It feels muddier because it is. The fans (and presumably the Board) have rejected Allardyce who appears to be the only manager to have openly expressed interest, apart from Unsworth.

As ever, we are waiting too long. We did so, very damagingly, before getting rid of our last two managers and we are doing the same now before appointing the new one. We will end up with an Unsworth compromise without giving him the tenure to have authority, or to allow for proper planning.

Not surprising when you have a Board constituted like ours.

Lawrence Green
8 Posted 10/11/2017 at 16:01:15
As Michael @1 suggests the club should have had a plan to replace the manager just in case things went awry or heaven forbid the incumbent was incapacitated due to health issues etc.
Rodger Armstrong in the link below offers some advice for our board but surely they will have already considered these ideas?


Disaster Recovery Plan

Jay Harris
9 Posted 10/11/2017 at 16:05:25
Agree with you Stan.
The desired "elite" manager is not available right now so the question is who should be the interim manager Unsy or ANother.
Alasdair Mackay
10 Posted 10/11/2017 at 16:06:31
Someone made the point on another thread that this appointment has to be a brave one, and this article points to that same point, for me.

We are competing in a league where 6 or 7 clubs now have billionaire owners and at least 4 of them have the ability to spend far beyond the means of the rest.
That means we have to think outside the box, not try and squeeze ourselves in one of the corners.

The answer for me is a long-term game-plan and a long-term appointment.
We need a coach who knows the type of football he wants to play and the type of footballers he wants to recruit.
If we change managers every 3 years, there are at least 12 months of squad re-shaping to take place before we can say we have that man's team out and THEN start to judge performances.

The Manager has to have a 6+ year plan to take the club forward.
If you think the man you appoint will have designs on Barcelona or Man United in 4 years if he does well, then don't appoint him.
If you think he is going to retire in 3, then don't appoint him.
If you think he is going to struggle to understand or cope with the demands of Evertonians, then don't appoint him.

So who does that leave us with?

Honestly - 3 names crop up for me: Mancini, Howe and Unsworth.
I can't see any of them leaving for a "bigger" job and I think they all have some understanding of the size and potential of the task ahead of them.

Sean Randles
11 Posted 10/11/2017 at 16:09:33
Martinez and Koeman are both good managers who were both hounded out of the club by the fans who somehow think these days that a good lynching is the answer . I cannot believe that Koeman was fired after 9 games after getting us into Europe in his first season. He would have turned it around. We just needed to be patient until Xmas . I am all for democracy but the board need to understand that they cannot make all their decisions based on what they think the fans think. We are now in a right mess. Surely they should have worked out who they were going to replace him with before they sacked him. If Unsy gets it we are seriously in trouble. Played 4 lost 3 and won 1 even though we were played off the park for 65 minutes and they imploded after their goalie had to go off. Allardyce will make us safe but we wont hire him because we are frightened of what the fans think. All this talk of other big names- they wont come mid season. We might be able to entice them at the end of the season but by then we might be in the championship.
John Keating
12 Posted 10/11/2017 at 16:10:40
I think this early into the season and also the sorry state we find ourselves in, it will be difficult to attract an "elite" manager. Whether one was presently employed or not.
I suspect the Board will muddle on in the hope that Unsworth keeps us mid table and just out of the relegation dogfight. If things start looking such that we are still in the mire come Christmas, employ someone, short term and if available, to help us avoid the drop. However, by that time it may be too late.
Tony Hill
13 Posted 10/11/2017 at 16:13:45
Why do some Unsworth supporters only want to give him a short term contract? If there is that level of reservation about his performance, why is it wise to appoint him at all given the position we are in?

If it's thought that he's the only realistic option available, why is the position likely to be different in summer? I suppose it might be easier to get a Silva or Dyche then but they would surely come now if we went for them seriously.

If Unsworth is going to be appointed then the club should back its judgment and give him a proper contract.

Jason Wilkinson
14 Posted 10/11/2017 at 16:20:41
I believe it to be a very simple process. Like any job on offer EFC should interview all applicants. Draw up a shortlist and ask them back for a more in depth second interview.

The successful candidate should have demonstrated their unique plan to develope the squad and proffered playing style. Discussed a budget and framework to achieve the targets set and be ready to leave when/ if they fail.

Sadly football somehow doesn't work like that. The media seem to get to involved and the board are swayed by a gang of charlatans.

Steve Hogan
15 Posted 10/11/2017 at 16:38:58
Sean (11)

Sorry mate, I don't buy into the 'Martinez and Koeman' theory of being hounded out the club. Both of them were consistently dire in their own right. In the case of Martinez, I honestly thought he should have been 'sectioned' under the Mental Health Act at some stage.

He was totally delusioned with his inane comments after each game and the player's had sussed him out long before he got the sack. With Koeman, he was the total opposite with his largely pragmatic views but equally as stubborn as Martinez.

After being given ample opportunity by the Board of Directors to recognise what was going wrong, both refused to change the tactics/or lineups one iota.

At least they were both consistent in that respect. But I have to say in regard to your 'post', I saw absolutely NO evidence that either Koeman or Martinez were even near turning the mess around any time soon.

Rick Tarleton
16 Posted 10/11/2017 at 17:14:47
While I wanted Koeman to go as quickly as possible, I am staggered that the Everton Board sacked him without seemingly having someone in mind to replace him. West Ham sacked Bilic and knew who they wanted...

No, I didn't want Moyes anywhere near our club, but at least West Ham looked as though they had a plan. Everton have not been proactive, they are yet again being reactive.

I suspect they hoped that Unsworth would win a couple of early games and they could appoint him till the end of the season, thus saving money, and then review the situation. They may well still do this as they do not seem to have a plan or a person in mind.

Stan Schofield
17 Posted 10/11/2017 at 17:17:11
There are big assumptions made in some posts on this thread: The board are indecisive, the board base their decisions on the opinions of the fans, we won't be able to hire an elite manager (even though we've just hired and fired one), and Unsworth and Allardyce are the only ones who were interested in the job.

Nobody knows how decisive the board are, how they base their decisions, whether we'll attract an elite manager, or who might have been interested in the job (particularly given that the previous incumbent was on £6M/year!).

All we can do is consider the range of options, and there's no reason to be pessimistic about how decisive the board are, given that they've sacked two managers in the last two years.

Jim Wilson
18 Posted 10/11/2017 at 17:19:46
In my opinion, any prospective manager should be asked these questions:

Do you like to play 4-4-2?
Do you like to keep a settled team?
Do you believe in playing players in their best positions?
Are you willing to use the players we already have and only sign a player for a position when really necessary?
Will you be willing to give the up-and-coming players a chance?
Will you give the team a good footballing mentality?

If any answers are no he doesn't get the job. Any pie-in-the sky promises like getting us in the Champions League in 3 years he doesn't get the job. Preferably Bill Kenwright goes on holiday during the interview process.

Jay Harris
19 Posted 10/11/2017 at 17:37:26
We need to forget about Moyes, Martinez and Koeman and concentrate on the future but learn lessons from those appointments.

It shouldn't really need an in depth interview or a master presentation as most candidates work can be seen in evidence and it should be obvious who to go for:

Ambition = Tuchel, Ancelotti, Simeone, Conte (why not)

Acceptable = Dyche, Silva, Espirito Santo (just for the name), Wagner

Will do for now = Allardyce

Desperation = Unsy

John Keating
20 Posted 10/11/2017 at 17:45:35
I am not sure who these "elite" managers some posters keep mentioning? Surely all these "elite" managers are already employed ?

If we, for arguments sake, take it that the "elite" managers in the Premier League are at Man City, Man Utd, Spurs, Arsenal and, hate to say it, the RS, even for £6m a year do you think any of them would come here??

Would the "elite" managers at the top clubs in Germany and Spain come here?We're already being laughed at throughout the country. Can you imagine us approaching these "elite" managers clubs and being told to piss off!

Jason at 14 reckons we should interview them, think about it and then give them a second interview. Somehow I can't see these guys going for that even if their Clubs give us permission. Can you imagine Mourinho, Pocchetino etc waiting for us to let them know if they've got the job or not?

Sorry guys, I just can't see it.

Tony Marsh
21 Posted 10/11/2017 at 17:57:27
I am being asked constantly who I put forward for our next manager.I haven't done so because it is futile but let's have a go...

Let's get Zidane in from Madrid. He is about to be sacked for sure. If it's silly buggers time with the name-dropping then I'm dropping Zinadine Zidane.

Stan Schofield
22 Posted 10/11/2017 at 17:58:57
John, there's no reason to assume it'll be £6M/year. It could be considerably higher, if Moshiri is determined to get his man. Money rules football.
Stan Schofield
23 Posted 10/11/2017 at 18:17:43
Jason @14: Whoever Moshiri targets, it's unlikely to involve any process like that. The new manager will no doubt be 'head hunted', like Koeman was. As with any head hunting, 'traditional' interview processes are seldom applicable.
Dennis Stevens
24 Posted 10/11/2017 at 18:30:28
Jay Harris (#19), I think you've got the last two categories the wrong way 'round!
Paul Ellam
25 Posted 10/11/2017 at 18:37:53
My choice would be Pellegrini.

Knows the Premier league, knows what it takes to win the league (and other trophies) and his teams generally play good attractive football.

It might take money to get him but we would see how ambitious Moshiri really is if he got him, as he would also need to splash the cash on big signings to take us to that fabled "next stage".

Dermot Byrne
26 Posted 10/11/2017 at 18:38:19
Hey Tony, who would your considered realistic and reasonable choice be for manager?
Ron Marr
27 Posted 10/11/2017 at 18:44:00
Ambition: Ancellotti, Simeone

Brainwashed by Kenwright Mediocrity: Silva, Dyche

Desperation: Allardyce

Unknown: Unsy

Oliver Brunel
28 Posted 10/11/2017 at 19:16:42
I hear the new Manager will be Jabba The Hutt?!
Jon Withey
29 Posted 10/11/2017 at 19:36:35
If Zinedine Zidane can bring the Madrid squad with him fine but I'm not sure he'd have a clue what to do with ours!
Phil Walling
30 Posted 10/11/2017 at 19:37:57
Heard today that Unsworth is the chosen one BUT not until and only IF we don't lose at Crystal Palace.

Playing it safe, they call it!

Dennis Stevens
31 Posted 10/11/2017 at 19:40:07
That sounds like a definite maybe, Phil!
Phil Walling
32 Posted 10/11/2017 at 19:42:43
The Board are anxious to look decisive, Dennis!
Brian Williams
33 Posted 10/11/2017 at 19:44:07
I heard it's Zidane.
Martin Nicholls
34 Posted 10/11/2017 at 19:47:21
As we're talking elite managers, it looks like Unai Emery will soon be seeking employment!
Will Mabon
35 Posted 10/11/2017 at 20:10:05
Brian, you misheard... Kilbane.
Jason Wilkinson
36 Posted 10/11/2017 at 20:36:20
Whoever we do appoint as manager/ 1st team coach. We need to make sure the ambition is matched by the board.
If we got say Thomas Tuchel and he has asked for 3/4 signings worth £200/250M (not unreasonable sums in these crazy days) then the board need to commit to that level of spending and wage demands to match.

If we end up with a Sean Dyche or similar I think it will tell us we don't have that kind of cash/ ambition. If we end up with Fat Sam then survival and mediocrity is all we can look forward to.

Jay Griffiths
37 Posted 10/11/2017 at 20:40:21
Our approach has to be measured and tempered with a simple fact.
The football it will take for us to claw our way past this season will not be the brand or style we wish to be associated with next season.
If we survive it will be with a pragmatic style that we are hoping to evolve past and then become the team and club we all desire to see.
I can only see two managers achieving this. First to survive then thanks and goodbye, the second to progress our philosophy.
We cannot put the cart before the horse and opt for style over substance first. It could decimate us.
A man to win the war then a man to ensure the peace.
At this juncture our board need to be prudent. Our fate is now in their hands.
Mike Allen
38 Posted 10/11/2017 at 20:46:04
We spent big money on players none of the big clubs anywhere in Europe where remotely interested in. None of the high-profile mangers talked about in some of the threads and media would be interested in either.

Never mind anything else – Koeman and Walsh are fully responsible for this mess. Unsy may not be the answer but he has had to deal with not only out-of-form players but attitude problems from, by all accounts, more than the two in the media.

Whoever comes in, things won't change overnight. His first games may well be on a par with Unsworth: P4 L3 W1. Then what?

Oh, I know – blame Kenwright!

Dennis Stevens
39 Posted 10/11/2017 at 20:53:50
You could well be right, Jay #37. I know some doubt whether Unsworth can achieve the former, I'm one of those who believe he can. If he does, I think we'll also have an inkling by season's end as to whether he can also progress to the latter.
Drew O'Neall
40 Posted 10/11/2017 at 21:01:52
You've just splashed out an un-budgeted £9m paying off your old manager..

That either comes out of your transfer or wage budget or you don't replace the manager and fund it with his lost wages while the caretaker continues to pick up his U23's cheque.

If you're safe then you can leave an Unsworth in charge until summer at the loss of whatever gains an incoming, experienced manager can get you in £2m/league placing, if any.

I don't think we have the nerve to risk doing nothing..

I don't think Allardyce is a dinosaur or a backward step but rather just an unfashionable choice to the casual observer (IE most fans). He's actually a pioneer of the technology and sports science practices adopted by all managers in the British game. I have reservations about his integrity and that is a big consideration when you are appointing a senior representative to an institution of world football, like Everton football club.

Guus Hiddink seems like the perfect fit to me - if he will come. Based on his track record he probably only wants a short term "project", he has ties in to our Russian (possibly) benefactors, he could attract top players, he has (successful) experience of the Premier League, he will move the club, and it's relatively inexperienced senior management team, on to a new level with his vast experience of elite level club management and, for what I know of him, he is a bonafide gentleman of the game (- unless you count tax evasion, which I do not at a personal level in fact I think we should all evade as much tax as possible while this government's spending it!!).

From his Wikipedia page:

"Hiddink only lost once during his tenure as Chelsea manager... The players, including Terry, Ballack and others, begged him to stay and bought him an engraved watch when he left"

- what did the players buy our last three managers when they left?

Break the bank to get Guus is my verdict.

Brian Williams
41 Posted 10/11/2017 at 21:12:46
:-)@Will.
Tony Hill
42 Posted 10/11/2017 at 21:40:05
Interesting point that about tax evasion, Drew (#40). Where does that rank in the list of unforgivable offences: as bad as taking a bung or not so bad? Just thinking of Messi, the little magician and all that. Weren't quite a few Barcelona players under scrutiny at one stage? Still, it's a tricky thing tax, and they play for lovely Spanish teams with lovely tactics.
Stan Schofield
43 Posted 10/11/2017 at 22:03:24
Do you guys actually mean tax evasion, which is illegal? Not tax avoidance, which is another term for sensible tax management within the rules, which most of us (perhaps all) do? (If you mean tax avoidance, then the people who are doing it are working within the rules, so are not doing anything wrong).
Tony Hill
44 Posted 10/11/2017 at 22:05:03
P.S. I agree, Drew, with your Hiddink call now because we've run out of options and it looks like we can't summon the courage to make a longer term decision. I'm assuming, for these purposes, that the moral gatekeepers on here would let him in.

We'll still go with Unsworth though, if we possibly can. For a bit.

Tony Hill
45 Posted 10/11/2017 at 22:05:52
Yes, Stan, that's why I said tax evasion.
Don Alexander
46 Posted 10/11/2017 at 22:18:14
Tony (#42), as far as we're concerned not only is tax a tricky thing, attacks are even trickier.

I'll get me coat!

Tony Hill
47 Posted 10/11/2017 at 22:20:24
Cheered me up that, Don. Though it really shouldn't have.
Stan Schofield
48 Posted 10/11/2017 at 22:43:48
Tony@45: OK, I only asked because one is often called the other, especially in the media.
Andy Riley
49 Posted 10/11/2017 at 23:03:09
Martinez’s first season was infinitely better than Koeman’s. We had real hope then that he could move us on. His second season was quite good as well certainly in the Europa League where we had some great performances and results. Koeman inherited the basics of a good team and probably just about met expectations last season without any excitement but this season has been dire. Not sure where we go from here - my heart tells me to give David Unsworth a chance to grow into the job but my head tells me that is too risky and we need an experienced manager in as soon ad possible. I think the heart is currently slightly ahead but only because there is no obvious candidate who has no downside. Suggestion that Dyche would be keen if we doubled his money but think he’s only a stop gap.
David Johson
50 Posted 11/11/2017 at 09:33:51
Michael – "You could just as easily call them reactionary appointments, based on one or two criteria that we happened to value most at the time."

I think that is a very good point.

Ian – "You might as well have listed all the names and asked Lyndon to run a vote on TW for everybody's opinion."

My point really was that we (well, the board ultimately) have to work out whether this is a rebuilding job vs making the best of what we have; or a short-term firefighting appointment vs getting someone in for the long-term etc. Very different personalities fit those bills.

Tony Everan
51 Posted 11/11/2017 at 09:46:30
Drew, Tony, I'm with you on Gus Hiddink

I think he is a figure that his respected in the game. He would be stabilising and the players would accept his leadership.

He would buy us valuable time to get the right man in long term at the seasons end. Simeone? Tuchel?

I think fans would see it as a sensible choice. David Unsworth would be happy to work with Hiddink I expect.

With our options limited at this stage of the season. I feel that this is could be, hopefully, a viable solution.

The club should make him an offer he can't refuse.

Alan Bodell
52 Posted 11/11/2017 at 15:22:09
My view is just to wait with Unsworth until the next transfer window and then look where we are, I certainly don't want a rash reaction appointment, if we are still in the lower depths then we have money enough to attract a big name but hopefully David has the charsima enough to drag more out of these prima donna overpaid pussies.
Eddie Dunn
53 Posted 11/11/2017 at 15:45:05
I know from an insider that the senior players thought that Martinez was a bullshitter toward the end of our successfull best points haul season. The final seven or so games saw us tail off missing an opportunity to catch Arsenal. It was followed by similar form the following season and I have to agree with Steve Hogan above that Martinez was off his head with his delusional verbo-crapology.
Koeman may well have turned things round given longer, as so many new payers were always going to be difficult to accomodate. In fairness we did need a bigger squad with the increased fixture content.
Koeman, though was plainly haughty and lost the goodwill of many of our more skillful players.
However the glaring mistake was the release of Lukaku without an adequate replacement.
It would be interesting to know just who screwed it up.
As for the next incumbent, I think that Unsworth would have already been sent back to the under 23's had it not been for the Gomez injury.
Unsworth will have to get some impressive results for the board to back him even to the end of the season.
Moshiri ,I suspect , will want a big name, and I reckon that Unsworth will be jettisonned in the near future.
Jim Marray
54 Posted 11/11/2017 at 21:28:03
Interesting article but it misses a key parameter from the assessment, the manager that the board and even the fans might want is unlikely to feel the need to come even with the potential big bucks.

A Mancini, Ancelottie or even a Tuchel are not going to even bother turning up for the interview. Silva might pick up the phone but he is more likely to say no thanks than I'll think about it.

Everton is currently a squad of players who lack confidence, cohesion and dare I say it, spirit. They can turn on the pressure for 10-20 min per game but if the goal doesn't come they collapse in on themselves. Which is why we are only 2 points above the relegation zone and with games against pretty much the whole bottom half of the table between now and Christmas plus the RS our chances to start moving up without vastly improved performances is limited.

If the club and especially the board is sensible and realistic, they will go for a short term appointment and bring in manager who can provide the most important act of all, preventing relegation and getting us to mid table respectability. If they want to prove that they should get a longer stint in charge then once they achieve mid table safety the can start to show us how the will start us playing in a way that delivers results in a way that is consistent with the wishes of both board and fans. But only once we are safe.

Right now everyone has rejected the one man who has a reputation to deliver saftey. The board now needs to find an alternative to that and the answer is not Sean Dyche. I would suggest that they either look at a manager from the Championship or one from an overseas club that has shown the can grind out the 1-0s we will need between now and Christmas. In the meantime I would like Unsworth to go back out in to the harsh world of management and get some real management experience for 3 years and having shown us that he can delvier there, to come back and be our next great manager.

Neil Cremin
55 Posted 11/11/2017 at 00:25:59
I recently listened to a very successful football team manageeer giving a talk on Leadrshi is a contact Scott.
He believed his role as a football manager was to get each individual player to be the best they possible can be. He called it self actualisation. It was then his Jove to harness that talent into the collective. The team.
Each game was analysed for mistakes with respect to the root cause. The root cause always came back to the instructions issued by the coach. The buck stopped with him. Finally, it was always about eh performance not the result. If the team performed to the best that they possibly could, then they wer beaten by a better team. It was then up to the manager to raise the bar so that the best theey possibly could be was a higher level of performance,Puttingthese thoughts into the context of our recent managers, David Moyes focused on the collective and brought relative success to the club. He was able to create a team with limited resources which was far better than the sum of thereir parts. Martine focused on the individual and encouraged self actualisation, which when combined with Moyes collective gave us a brilliant mix of both collective and individual for the fist year. Unfortunately Martinez hand not idea about he collective and we ended us as a set of ndividuals with no coehesion> Koemann believed in neither pholosohy. He believed in a command and control philosophy, after all he was Ronald Koemann.If you did Int toe the line you were marginalised. Ask Barkley, McCarthy, Niasse, Mirallas, Geri, . Our next manager needs to rebuild the team from its damaged foundations, starting with making sure that each individuals belongs to teh club and then bring them together for the benefit of the team. Don’t know who can do this but I have just read a piece abut a Graham Potter who brought a Swedish team from the fourth division to the Europa league in 6 years. He must have some thing we could bottle.
Neil Cremin
56 Posted 12/11/2017 at 00:29:39
Sorry about all the typos but was typing in the dark.
Don Alexander
57 Posted 12/11/2017 at 00:49:55
Neil, right now, on a bad day, I think we need Harry Potter, not Graham.
Karl Jones
58 Posted 12/11/2017 at 06:44:38
I cant believe we still haven't sorted a new managerial regime out yet. The summer dithering and incompetence regarding signing a striker seems to be carrying over to appointing a new manager. When Koeman was sacked, it seems as though there was just no strategy regarding replacing him. also Walsh should have gone as well at the same time.

Unsworth and his team are currently left in limbo, and the players are just drifting from game to game not knowing what is going to happen so its no wonder there is a lack of commitment.

We were so lucky last Sunday in what was a game we could have ended up losing quite heavily due to some terrible defending.

I just have no faith in Kenwright or Moshiri, who appear to be a pair of dreamers and I really fear for the future of our club.

Neil Cremin
59 Posted 12/11/2017 at 07:02:23
Yes Don
We do need a wizard or a combination of Moyes and Martinez. I am talking about the philosophy not the individuals.
Peter Lee
60 Posted 12/11/2017 at 08:54:22
Lots of these comments suggest we have the luxury of waiting until Christmas to see how it is.

That's the equivalent of making the patient comfortable and giving him a cup of tea whilst he bleeds out.

We need to get to 20 points by then. If we don't then we could appoint who we like after Christmas (they wouldn't come by the way) and we will still go down.

We need a pragmatist who will make the best of what we have in making us hard to beat as a priority. We then need to build on that confidence and try and sneak four wins.

I thought the penny had dropped with Unsworth when he set us up initially against Lyon. The changes he made after the first goal showed that he was not serious about embedding a shape and a method. Sunday confirmed that, a game Watford lost rather than one we won.

Someone who knows the players, who has seen them play regularly and understands the teams we will face is essential. Allardyce or Dyche, preferably announced last week but tomorrow will do.

Daniel A Johnson
61 Posted 12/11/2017 at 11:08:20
Given our current situation and standing in football, Sean Dyche is the man for us. He's used to a relegation fight and his speciality is getting the best out of the players at his disposal. He's young hungry and deserves a chance. If he was called Seanvaldo Dychini from Italy, there would be a ground swell of clamour for his appointment.

We are 3-4 decent seasons away and £500M of spending away from attracting the Simeone type managers. So let's just keep grounded and focused.

I genuinely do fear that, if Unsworth is appointed, then we will be relegated. I have seen nothing from his performances to suggest he is simply out of his depth and a run of bad results under him could genuinely spiral into disaster.

Get Sean Dyche in on a 3-year contract and let him rebuild the squad. Anyone who thinks managers attract players are talking out their backside – it's cold hard cash. Let's see what Dyche can do.

Stan Schofield
62 Posted 12/11/2017 at 11:19:11
Some posts on here say that no high-profile manager would come to us, because we're a basket case. However, the reality is that every club who change their manager do so because they're not playing anywhere near what is desired, they're in disarray, and the current manager has lost the players. This includes the very top teams.

None of those things stop a high-profile manager taking the job, so long as the money is there, both for his high salary and to enable him to sign better players. We are no different.

The money is there (Moshiri has basically said so, when Koeman arrived). The big salary and commitment for better players is there. There is some learning from the first go at it, so the process of hiring and firing isn't a one-off to success. It goes in successive stages towards success.

The posts about not being able to secure a top manager are just the natural pessimism of supporters, especially given the perceived state of affairs at the club. The reality is (to paraphrase a line from a film), finance it, and they will come.

Clive Rogers
63 Posted 12/11/2017 at 14:45:42
Everton FC Manager’s job description

Must be prepared to work short hours
During transfer windows must book annual leave to play golf in Portugal
Must be prepared to travel extensively in the UK
For cup competitions must be prepared to travel for first round proper and possibly second round if unfortunate
European travel will not be necessary for at least the first five years
Must be prepared to say yes to whatever the chairman says or suggests
Must be prepared to work with certain sections of the team and squad completely missing
Must be able to deal with four suitable candidates vying for one position
Would be an advantage having worked with the elderly
Would be an advantage having worked with youth
Working with pace will not be required
Shooting practice sessions are also not necessary
Must be adept at coaching passing backwards and not using one pass when six or seven will suffice
Coaching sessions should concentrate on straight through the middle, wing areas not necessary

Applications should be submitted in extra large block capitals such that the elderly can easily understand it

Clive Rogers
64 Posted 12/11/2017 at 14:47:09
Any other suggestions guys?
Ian Riley
65 Posted 12/11/2017 at 15:00:25
If a manager is not in place by Wednesday, give it to Unsworth till the end of the season. What is the hold up?

Let's be realistic on whom is going to come as manager. No Champions League for at least three years (at least).

Other clubs are years ahead in finance and squad quality. I appreciate the owner aiming high but certain managers want to build on success – not hope for success.

Jim Marray
68 Posted 12/11/2017 at 17:09:47
Stan at 62, you're right – managers do come in when teams are not performing to their best or where they are having problems making the next step up. However you need to be realistic, Ancellotti or Mancini or even Tuchel might go to a team who have finished 4th for a couple of seasons and have a board with cash to spend whilst offering a big salary but the reality is that none of that class of manager wants their name associated with a team that is fighting relegation and might even go down.

Everton are not a basket case, but at this moment in time they need someone with the skills to turn around a team that is massively low on self confidence and are not working as a unit. I doubt that a top manager (i.e. one who gets teams in to the Champions League or wins La Liga) necessarily has those skills. The consequence means we need to look at managers who do, even if it is just for a short period of time.

For all his sins (of which he has many) Allardyce is one of those who can probably deliver safety this season. He is not the manager I would want but he does have the skills and records to deliver Everton to a middle of the table spot this season. There are a few other managers around who can fit that model but the reality is that they are few and far between.

Stan Schofield
69 Posted 12/11/2017 at 19:52:21
Jim, I agree with you. I meant a high-profile manager once the ship is steadied, and I should have said that. It's just that some folks seem to think it's pie in the sky for us to attract a high-profile guy. full stop. Which, as I say (and I think you agree, from what you've said) is on the cards so long as the money is there.
Simon Dalzell
70 Posted 12/11/2017 at 21:32:39
Please NOT Unsworth.
Jonathan Tasker
71 Posted 13/11/2017 at 08:52:37
Nobody will succeed under Kenwright.

The end.

Tony Everan
72 Posted 13/11/2017 at 10:28:36
It's deafeningly quiet on the Managerial front.

What on earth is going on? Fuck all? Or some covert, shrewd, James Bond style secret negotiations that are about to bear fruit?

I was hoping for some stability and clarity before the Crystal Palace match. Further delaying an appointment will cost us vital points.

William Cartwright
73 Posted 16/11/2017 at 15:44:51
As a 'professional' person with a very creative business agenda, I spent many years driven by passion (still there) and ego (long dispensed with). A particular phobia of mine was the management planning brigade who seemed to suck the humanity out of a daily existence, and relegate creative activity into a numeric step-by-step task list.

Business life, and that includes footy, has to embrace the creative, the inspirational as well as the structured and well-planned, side by side. Really understanding this is what comes with experience, (age?) as well as the right attitude of mind.

I hope the Board are still wrapped up in their due diligence and will make the right decision in a timely manner. I honestly don't know if the right time is a fast decision, which is already looking a bit late, or the right appointment – almost regardless of how long the 'right appointment' may take.

In any event, I don't see the role of Unsy as being undermined by the research and offers on the table for alternatives. He has had the inside track, he is still in the race and, whichever way it turns out, I am sure he will be amply rewarded and retained in a respectful position which he deserves.

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