Crystal Palace's quest for a first goal of the season finally ended, meanwhile, in a fine win against the Champions Chelsea and West Ham travelled to Burnley where Andy Carroll (linked with Everton?!) was sent off for two bookable offences.
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1 Posted 14/10/2017 at 11:38:20
They should just call themselves the RedShite - Red Mancs channel. It's a fucking joke and after watching our shower tomorrow, I'm thinking of cancelling my contract.
2 Posted 14/10/2017 at 11:52:52
3 Posted 14/10/2017 at 13:05:14
4 Posted 14/10/2017 at 13:06:14
You might be watching the wrong match.
5 Posted 14/10/2017 at 13:16:41
6 Posted 14/10/2017 at 13:20:15
7 Posted 14/10/2017 at 13:27:47
I'll be at Brighton tomorrow, ready for our rejuvenation.
8 Posted 14/10/2017 at 13:31:40
9 Posted 14/10/2017 at 13:51:49
I hope they like this shite in Asia.
10 Posted 14/10/2017 at 13:55:40
11 Posted 14/10/2017 at 14:21:03
Of course Guardiola and Zidane are recent examples of a managers promoted from reserve teams to the first team with great success. But you could argue they already had great players at the club
My point was there would be harsh criticism of the club, should it promote Unsy and results dipped, that they taken the cheap option. And it would need someone to identify something special about him other than winning the U23 league.
I think we need someone which huge experience of winning at this point in our development. Anceloti or Benitez would be my choice cracking thread anyway.
12 Posted 14/10/2017 at 14:22:56
13 Posted 14/10/2017 at 14:32:21
Disinterested and lacking desire.
Translation: He's a big shithouse.
14 Posted 14/10/2017 at 14:32:28
Did you watch the match? Because what you just typed indicates you did not or you are incredibly ignorant as to the game of football.
Mourinho set that side out to sit deep and do nothing but defend. What great players were surrounding Lukaku in attack today? They camped out in their own half and just hoofed and hoofed.
It's amazing how someone like you will focus on Lukaku, when we have over a decade of watching Mourinho teams play exactly the same way at Anfield and other grounds. He did the same last season in what was widely considered the worst match all year. Educate yourself a bit.
15 Posted 14/10/2017 at 14:39:07
Drivel! If anything, Man Utd played like Everton do at Anfield. Lukaku had zero service, zero support. That was a joke of a performance by Premier League title contenders. They came for a point and it showed. Mind-numbing.
16 Posted 14/10/2017 at 14:41:13
I did watch the match and I assume you think the commentators are also ignorant and in need of an education. The ball bounced off Lukaku many times. When he did do something in the first half, he overhit a cross and his one-on-one with the keeper went straight at him. Aside from that, he offered little. Is that okay?
17 Posted 14/10/2017 at 14:43:37
All the talk that they will win the Premier League didn't match their performance today and Liverpool are the first decent team they have played this season. Even against us, they took no chances until they scored the second goal. They have a bit more to do to prove they will win the title.
18 Posted 14/10/2017 at 14:45:29
With the quality of players around him at Man Utd, such as Miky and Martial, he didn't look any different to me. So, while the tactics were no doubt negative, he hardly set the world alight.
19 Posted 14/10/2017 at 14:46:51
Liverpool's keeper had more touches than Lukaku. The ball wasn't bouncing off him left and right you've completely made that up. In fact, the ball was hardly ever played to him. When he did get the ball, it was 1 vs 3, sound familiar? He flicked on hoofs from the keeper but the midfield was 20 yards behind the play.
That commentary and media you mention have been in unison talking about another defensive Mourinho performance, where the manager made no attempt to attack Liverpool. Nobody in any corner of the press is blaming Lukaku for that performance.
Martial did nothing in attack, only defending the wing. Young was put on the other wing instead of his usual position at fullback. Mkhitarian was useless in the middle, taken off after 60 minutes of doing nothing. Rashford came on and did nothing other than defend. But you all you see is Lukaku... It's amazing.
20 Posted 14/10/2017 at 14:47:14
Stand your ground mate. You're 100% correct.
Lukaku ever won a header, never won a challenge, out muscled by skinny midfielders. Never put himself about.
Threw a couple of shithouse tackles in to make it look like he was having a go.
21 Posted 14/10/2017 at 14:54:34
22 Posted 14/10/2017 at 14:55:44
23 Posted 14/10/2017 at 15:27:50
It's not as if Mourinho has made a career out of getting 0-0 results away from home. It's not as if he wasn't run out of Madrid for the defensive performances and lack of goals and flair with the greatest attacking players in the game, right? That same exact fixture last season couldn't have been the exact same with Zlatan in attack could it?
Right, Lukaku having a single touch through 23 minutes was clearly down to his lack of desire and in no way due to Man Utd parking the bus and not actually passing it up top during that time. Well, at least now we can move on from believing Koeman is in any way responsible for our horrible attacking play, with no pace or width, and simply know that it's all about the players. I guess I wonder why we even need a manager then. Clearly Mourinho does nothing either.
24 Posted 14/10/2017 at 15:31:21
Always down to the manager
25 Posted 14/10/2017 at 15:41:16
Lukaku cut a lonely frustrated figure up front, isolated, and mostly unsupported. There were a couple of occasions where the ball didn't stick to him and there were a couple of headers he didn't win.
His two biggest moments IMO, apart from upending one of the Man Utd players in frustration, were the one-on-one he hit straight at the keeper and when he strolled out of defence, playing Liverpool player(s) onside and almost gifting them a goal.
He didn't get any sort of service to speak of. I consider this a fair reflection on his performance. Amen :-)
ps: I still think he's a gobshite.
26 Posted 14/10/2017 at 16:20:53
Official match stats have Lukaku winning 5 duels and 4 aerial duels. He's was also the only United player to register a shot on target.
28 Posted 14/10/2017 at 16:44:05
29 Posted 14/10/2017 at 16:49:16
30 Posted 14/10/2017 at 16:53:23
I travel to Brighton tomorrow more in hope than expectation but COYB!
31 Posted 14/10/2017 at 16:55:18
A wonderful defensive performance from us to restrict City to one goal.
32 Posted 14/10/2017 at 18:10:51
33 Posted 14/10/2017 at 19:25:21
34 Posted 14/10/2017 at 19:26:52
35 Posted 14/10/2017 at 19:30:35
Only one team has restricted them to one goal.
Let's get that defensive solidity back. Three points tomorrow takes us into the top half of the table.
36 Posted 14/10/2017 at 19:33:37
37 Posted 14/10/2017 at 19:56:15
Watch him and Watford go and have a season that leaves us and several other more traditionalist style clubs floundering... I really rate all aspects of his managerial style and results.
38 Posted 14/10/2017 at 19:59:28
39 Posted 14/10/2017 at 20:07:30
40 Posted 14/10/2017 at 20:11:11
"Man City are the first English top-flight team to score 29 goals in first 8 league games of the season...since Everton in 1894-95."
Fully expect someone to challenge that coz they were there!
41 Posted 14/10/2017 at 20:16:55
42 Posted 14/10/2017 at 20:18:32
43 Posted 14/10/2017 at 20:21:53
Novice he may be but did you watch the game this evening? Watford played some good stuff and deserved the win for their endeavour even if the pen was a bit iffy.
Sadly I have to say also they were a damn sight more entertaining to watch than we are currently.
44 Posted 14/10/2017 at 20:22:58
45 Posted 14/10/2017 at 20:29:26
I wouldn't write him off so easy. What he does do is give players a belief in themselves... similar to Dyche and you can see that his players play for him. He gives them belief that they can beat anyone... it's 11 against 11 and if you play together, as a team, you have a good chance of winning (or at least not being defeated).
Watford will give any team a game at the moment. He likes to play attractive football and in time a bigger club will make him an offer.
46 Posted 14/10/2017 at 20:30:00
It's about bravery and toughness of mind.
47 Posted 14/10/2017 at 20:31:40
I acknowledge that he may only "possibly" be the solution, but do believe he should be given a chance before we hand out another contract for £6m a year to anyone else.
48 Posted 14/10/2017 at 20:32:50
Koeman: W 356 (54%) D 139 (21%) L 165 (25%)
Aside from rounding up %s, not much in their career rates.
49 Posted 14/10/2017 at 20:32:56
50 Posted 14/10/2017 at 20:37:06
51 Posted 14/10/2017 at 20:39:05
Style of football deployed in achieving those results is a different matter of course.
52 Posted 14/10/2017 at 20:40:26
53 Posted 14/10/2017 at 20:40:50
54 Posted 14/10/2017 at 20:47:26
Take Simeone's name off it.
55 Posted 15/10/2017 at 07:37:16
Spot on. I watched it a couple of hours ago and saw him win three headers cleanly and contest another which neither player won cleanly but it fell to a Man Utd player.
I also think you are spot on about tactics. Jose is just another miserable defensive minded manager, but unlike Koeman, he has brains can communicate with his players and they will run through a brick wall for him.
People will put up with not winning if the footballs attractive. They will put up with negative football if they are regularly winning... but who in there right mind wants to see losing negative football?
Our boy Koeman will empty Goodison. When Moshiri was flashing the cash, a great deal of interest was generated; for the first time in years, not everyone could get a season ticket... we actually had a reported 5,000 waiting list. What a pity it has all evaporated, we can't even fill the ground. The hundreds of empty seats you see already will soon turn into thousands if this guy is not off-loaded. Difficult for anybody to get worked up about Zombie Football.
56 Posted 15/10/2017 at 07:59:30
The fact that their overhyped, 3 week build up failed to live up to expectations and, without doubt, disappointed their overseas markets, has the media in a spin. I mean, if the RedShite and fucking Mancs can't deliver a half decent game where does that leave the rest of us mere mortals?
Jose is now public enemy No 1 for not laying down and allowing Herr Klopp to show the world his full range of body spasms and his excessive amount of teeth. That is just not cricket.
57 Posted 15/10/2017 at 09:02:41
58 Posted 15/10/2017 at 09:21:57
The short-term solution, if we lose, will presumably be to give Unsworth the job on a temporary basis. Then depending on results, he will either be replaced at Christmas by a more experienced manager or given the rest of the season to prove he's the right man for the job.
Let's face it, we're in a real crisis, whatever solution is found it won't be easy for Unsworth or the next man to turn the season round, most of the bottom clubs won yesterday, to add extra pressure. Like most supporters, I have a really bad feeling about this season and where we could end up.
59 Posted 15/10/2017 at 09:33:25
60 Posted 15/10/2017 at 09:41:53
Pushing Unsy up is a big risk and fairy tales don't come true often, If it were to happen I'd prefer to see an experienced assistant manager come in to provide him with support on a season-by-season basis.
Not sure where the support for Ferguson comes from, he's not setting the world on fire as a Koeman lackey.
61 Posted 15/10/2017 at 10:04:54
62 Posted 15/10/2017 at 10:13:46
I'd love to see Unsy given a chance but if it failed he'd be lost to the club as it always seems to pan out they never revert to their former job after tasting the main man position. And even if he did revert back, would he have the same heart for the job? It's all very complicated except the fact that Koeman appears clueless.
63 Posted 15/10/2017 at 10:14:53
I'm only saying to use them in the short term (if not successful) until Ancellotti is available.
66 Posted 15/10/2017 at 10:37:07
You talk about proven experience as if it was a given that it was the better option. Why? How many managers have we had in your lifetime, whose experience was proven, went on to become successful?
The crowd across the park dominated for years when they appointed a shy unassuming member of the backroom staff to take over from Shankly. He dominated Europe for years.
It's utter bollocks to rule out giving promising coaches a shot in order to allow "proven experience" to hog the show... it's really worked a treat so far, hasn't it?
67 Posted 15/10/2017 at 10:46:08
68 Posted 15/10/2017 at 10:54:09
69 Posted 15/10/2017 at 11:06:46
70 Posted 15/10/2017 at 11:09:41
71 Posted 15/10/2017 at 11:12:21
"Praise The Lord for Victory" as Granma Joad says.
And we'll walk down the avenue again
And we'll sing all the songs from way back when
And we'll walk down the avenue again and the healing has begun
And we'll walk down the avenue in style
And we'll walk down the avenue and we'll smile
And we'll say "ain't it all worthwhile?" when the healing has begun.
And your heart, your heart - - will fly away.
Here's hoping - - Right now at 10.48 Sunday morning I can see the River running across from Garston to Ellesmere port below a grey cloud but with a line of pure silver tinged with specks of gold - - twinkling like Monet or Pissaro - - or maybe a Sisley - - certainly gives a feel of something positive and the end of greyness - - and my goodness we need it:
FLOW on, ye lays so loved, so fair,
On to Oblivion's ocean flow!
May no rapt boy recall you e'er,
No maiden in her beauty's glow!
My love alone was then your theme,
But now she scorns my passion true.
Ye were but written in the stream;
As it flows on, then, flow ye too!
Busy old fool, unruly sun,
Why dost thou thus,
Through windows, and through curtains call on us?
Must to thy motions lovers seasons run?
Saucy pedantic wretch, go chide
Late school boys and sour prentices,
Go tell court huntsmen that the king will ride,
Call country ants to harvest offices,
Love, all alike, no season knows nor clime,
Nor hours, days, months, which are the rags of time.
We Evertonians - - we are Truly The Brave, The Watchers, The Searchers, The Believers and yes The Faithful - - it's easy to follow everyone else's favourites, everyone else's dream - - we are The Dreamers - - Our Friendship is tied and bound in our Search:
"When I wake up in the morning I'm gone
And I need a friend to lean upon
Why don't you see what you can do?
See me through"
It's now 11.02 and I am just going to get showered, shaved and dressed - - but first - - picked up my Chromatic and had a Blow:
I've been walking by the river
I've been walking down by the water
I've been walking down by the river
I've been feeling so sad and blue
I've been thinking, I've been thinking, I've been thinking,
I've been thinking, I've been thinking, I've been thinking,
Ah there's so much suffering, and it's
Too much confusion, too much, too much confusion in the world
Take me back, take me back, take me back
Take me way back, take me way back, take me way back
Take me way back, take me way back, take me way back
Take me way back, take me way back, ah!
Take me way, way, way, way, way, way, way back, huh!
So before the game (and always) I am sending those Big Blue Cosmic Grooves to you all - - with a Blow on The Harmonica - - and a firm handshake (A La Vincent) :
And the sky was blue
And you didn't have no worries, you didn't have no care
You were walking in a green field
In a meadow, through the buttercups, in the summertime
And you looked way out over, way out
Way out over the city and the water
And it feels so good, and it feels so good
And you keep on walking
And the music on the radio, and the music on the radio
Has so much soul, has so much soul
And you listen, in the night time
While we're still and quiet
And you look out on the water
And the big ships, and the big boats
Came on sailing by, by, by, by
And you felt so good, and I felt so good
I felt I want to blow my harmonica
And there you go - - just had a cosmic moment blowing my harmonica - -Blowing for The Blues, Blowing for You and Blowing for Me and Blowing for The Light.
Your friend - - George
72 Posted 15/10/2017 at 11:14:12
73 Posted 15/10/2017 at 11:18:52
On and on and on.
Up the Blues!!
74 Posted 15/10/2017 at 11:29:00
If there was any chance of bringing Cahill back from Oz, I'd love to see that as well. A winner with a fabulous attitude.
75 Posted 15/10/2017 at 11:59:23
76 Posted 15/10/2017 at 12:05:17
77 Posted 15/10/2017 at 13:05:16
Van the man fan, I take it, and me also- more so is early work.
A quick story...
He once got me removed from a gig because I kept asking him to play "Listen to the Lion". He was playing two nights at a small hotel for charity; I was quite close to him, maybe 7 or 8 feet away and every time he finished a song, I whispered through my hands looking straight at him "Please play Listen to the Lion". He just stared at me.
Four or five songs into the gig, two bouncers arrived each side of me and asked me politely could they have a word outside. I asked why and they said the usual bollocks let's not make a scene etc etc.
Anyway, I walked out with them and ended up in the bar getting pissed my friends kept coming out to tease me and were having a right laugh.
After the gig, we ended up partying with Van's band till the wee small hours. They kept looking to leave our company but we insisted on one more.
The reason they wanted to get to bed was that Van had insisted on getting up early to take the lads (three were English) on an early morning tour of Donegal.
Now talk about Karma...
Myself and my friends were also staying the night in the hotel and we had continued to party on in my room.
At around 7:30am, there was a loud knock on the door of my room and I stumbled across to open it and when I did guess who was standing right in front of me? Yep, Van the man he was looking for the band's rooms. We just looked at each other , I had nothing but my boxers on and was probably looking like a madman.
Van grunted "Wrong room" and walked up the hallway as quick as he could; what he didn't know was that it was a cul-de-sac and he had to come past me again to leave! When he realised this, he started banging on doors like a man possessed, with me standing in the hallway, laughing my balls off, singing Rave on Rave on at him.
Eventually he got into a room, and I tip-toed up to the room he got into to listen and I could hear the commotion going on Van telling the people there was a drunk madman outside in the nude and to phone reception, at which point the door opened I just stood there laughing and it was a girl and a fella who knew me and they started to laugh also.
Just then, the receptionist arrived with a guy and both were "Good morning, sir, is everything okay? I'm sorry sir but you can't be standing about with no clothes on and annoying other guests. Please go back to your room."
Well, I did just that, but not before I shouted (just to wind him up) "Van , no matter were you go today, we'll be right behind you!"
I've told that story fondly a few times over the years and also to musicians who have played with him.
Have a lovely day, George.
78 Posted 15/10/2017 at 15:54:02
79 Posted 15/10/2017 at 21:08:18
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