Morgan Schneiderlin fit following illness but only on the bench
Leicester City 2 - 0 Everton
Mirallas, Lennon and Rooney provided the attacking strength behind Calvert-Lewin in David Unsworth's first team selection at Leicester but it would not be anything like enough to match the home side's tremendous speed on the counter, Vardy scoring with ease.
Klaassen, Sandro and Vlasic were absent, with Schneiderlin and Sigurdsson on the bench. Keane was in hospital after a nasty gash on his leg became infected.
Everton kicked off and Baines swung in an early cross although things were a little scrappy, Davies giving the ball away and Gray firing wide. Calvert-Lewin had a good tussle with Maguire but fouled him.
The Foxes got Gray loose down the right and Williams had to concede the corner and it needed some defending, Morgan's shot deflected behind by Williams. It was defended out but Gray did the same thing with and even better cross that was driven over. They then switched sides and cut through again, giving Everton some early warnings.
Everton finally had some midfield possession but looked a little disjointed and could not penetrate forward. Davies at least tried a forward pass but it was too long. Mahrez went down with a head injury in an accidental collision off the ball with Gueye.
From an Everton free-kick, The Foxes screamed forward and sliced Everton apart, Vardy completing a devastating move, Gray beating three players, Mahrez,crossing to him first time. Shockingly simple.
Vardy got past Davies, who pulled him back for an early yellow card as Unsworth's charges were in sad disarray after that stunner. Mirallas tried to run through the Foxes defence but, once he lost the ball, another rapier-like attack was on for the home side.
Rooney fouled Iborra but only got a talking to. Slow build-up saw a brilliant ball from Rooney play in Lennon who might have shot but tried to set up Calvert-Lewin, who was not strong enough to command the ball that was flicked out of his path.
But disaster struck as Kenny sliced a horrible own goal in off Gray's cross, a very poor schoolboy error... things could not possibly be worse for poor David Unsworth, although the goal was later awarded to Gray as his cross was deemed to be on target.
At the other end, Lennon was brought down by Fuchs but no penalty said Marriner, perhaps because Lennon was not in possession of the ball, but it looked clear cut on the replay.
Mirallas pulled off a fine snapshot that curled just wide of Schmeichel's post. Rooney worked the ball to him again and he fired past the other post this time, winning a corner. Davies and Calvert-Lewin got in each other's way and the Foxes looked to break again but Davies won a free-kick that Rooney fired in deep to the far post, winning another corner that was cleared.
Rooney was pushed deep but still tried to cross, a little too easy for Schmeichel to collect. Everton were pressing but being too deliberate and slow, trying to rely on intricate passing through a dense Leicester defence. They were probing and poking but not really getting close, and always wary of the Foxes on the break.
Another slow build-up move went nowhere as Rooney lost the ball and fouled in frustration... Sigurdsson and Niasse on for Rooney and Mirallas at half-time? No, it was Lennon and Mirallas off for Niasse and Beningime. So much for the old guard providing width!
Davies got forward and won an early corner that Baines delivered well enough but the Foxes break was stalled this time. Everton were fighting hard but looked scrappy and were trying many things that simply did not come off going forward.
Rooney picked out Niasse brilliantly and he should have done a lot more than simply pass the ball to Schmeichel from a very threatening position. Davies tried to play in Calvert-Lewin but it was intercepted too easily. Jags stopping Vardy from advancing.
It was helter-skelter stuff in midfield as Everton tried to get a grip on the ball but it was desperate at times, Fuchs almost scoring direct from a throw-in, Pickford having to punch it away late. The ball came through to Vardy who was caught by Williams on the shin after he shot wide.
Rooney set up Gana for one of his typical strikes, this one on target but deflected behind for a corner that was cleared. Ponderous pressure from Everton saw Niasse shoot well wide. Niasse then lost out in a tussle with Morgan but Everton were keeping the pressure on the home side.
Beningime played a beautiful ball for Calvert-Lewin to get forward but Niasse was blocked for the cross and Jagielka tried a far too demanding overhead kick.
Another strong attack saw Niasse's shot blocked for a corner. Everton kept pressing but could not create a real chance. Kenny won a corner after the lineswoman was overruled by Marriner, and Sigurdsson replaced Rooney and launched the corner a little too high and deep.
In a rare Leicester attack, Jagielka took out Vardy who jumped up and took the ball on, but Marriner called it back and Pickford punched away the free-kick. Everton got forward but Niasse fired way too early, high and wide.
There was no lack of effort or commitment from the Everton players who were fighting like tigers for every ball, but the composure, skill, and finesse was sadly lacking as they struggled manfully to get back into the game.
Vardy got past Jagielka but Williams was across quickly to deny the Leicester marksman. Beningime gave Chilwell a good run down the left, concedeing a corner, as Albrighton replaced the Leicester player.
Niasse did well down the byeline and won yet another corner off Morgan, Sigurdsson again looping it in high, Schmeichel punching out. But Leicester got forward and Vardy's cross was almost converted by Iborra.
Another Everton attack and more naivety from the ever willing Niasse, his flick to no-one. Kenny's cross and then Calvert-Lewin's shot were blocked but Baines curled his a few inches over.
Plenty of effort for no return and Unsworth was a forlorn sight as he ruminated on another defeat.
Leicester: Schmeichel, Simpson, Morgan, Maguire, Fuchs, Mahrez (75' Okazaki), Ndidi, Iborra, Chilwell (83' Albrighton), Gray, Vardy (89' Iheanacho).
Subs not Used: King, Hamer, Dragovic, Slimani.
Everton: Pickford, Kenny, Jagielka, Williams, Baines, Mirallas(46' Beningime), Davies [Y:20'], Gueye, Lennon (46' Niasse), Rooney(74' Sigurdsson), Calvert-Lewin.
Subs not Used: Robles, Schneiderlin, Holgate, Lookman.
Referee: Andre Marriner.
*UK clocks go back an hour on Sunday morning
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1 Posted 29/10/2017 at 15:02:58
And Lennon retains his place. Kind of goes to show what Unsworth thinks of Koeman's and Walsh's recruitment, doesnt it.
2 Posted 29/10/2017 at 15:20:37
3 Posted 29/10/2017 at 15:23:45
I hope McCarthy is not too serious. There's a need for him in this squad, I believe.
4 Posted 29/10/2017 at 15:24:02
I hope he enjoys an emphatic win and goes on to become our long-term manager. The man to break the mould of the deemed necessity for a foreign name. Best of luck Rhino, it's your time
5 Posted 29/10/2017 at 15:25:29
6 Posted 29/10/2017 at 15:29:17
Very similar to Wednesday at Chelsea – compared to last Sunday there is more pace, width and you can read the team and know how it will line up. Some of the Koeman signings aren't even on the bench.
I completely disagree with an early post suggesting Pickford should be dropped – he has been our star player this year and points gained by his saves include key moments in both victories.
7 Posted 29/10/2017 at 15:30:29
Im pleased to see 2 wingers and Davies retaining his place in midfield. I probably would have gone for Gueye ahead of Schneiderlin also, based on form this season.
Up front, we need Calvert-Lewin to hold the ball up, and Rooney for a goal threat. I dont understand fans slagging off Rooney he has scored 4 goals, and he will drop in as a Number 10 at times also.
On form, I think this is probably our strongest available line up.
8 Posted 29/10/2017 at 15:33:51
9 Posted 29/10/2017 at 15:39:04
10 Posted 29/10/2017 at 15:40:40
12 Posted 29/10/2017 at 15:52:04
13 Posted 29/10/2017 at 15:54:35
14 Posted 29/10/2017 at 16:04:10
15 Posted 29/10/2017 at 16:27:09
16 Posted 29/10/2017 at 16:31:09
17 Posted 29/10/2017 at 16:48:29
19 Posted 29/10/2017 at 16:59:44
He was the only one alert to their first breakaway goal, chasing back the length of the pitch to assist the exposed defence.
He is dropping deep, linking play, arguing the toss with the ref, geeing up his team mates, spraying the ball around, like the beautiful ball through to Lennon which was a nailed on problem.
Whatever the problem is with the team today, it isn't Rooney.
20 Posted 29/10/2017 at 17:01:07
21 Posted 29/10/2017 at 17:01:56
22 Posted 29/10/2017 at 17:03:52
23 Posted 29/10/2017 at 17:05:50
Unsworth for all his commitment and loyalty is not the next Everton manager. This is not because he would make a bad manager but he simply does not have the experience or knowledge to manage a team like the current Everton team.
Appreciate that many will regards the idea of Allardyce as heretical but ask yourself with the Blues in the relegation zone, not looking like getting out of it anytime soon, why would any manager from Europe or the Premier League want to come to Goodison? By the time we get to the next transfer window our position in the bottom six is likely to be confirmed so a manager who has a record of avoiding relegation is probably the perfect fit for Everton at this point is probably Allardyce.
But here is hoping that we can at least get a draw in the second half.
24 Posted 29/10/2017 at 17:10:25
25 Posted 29/10/2017 at 17:11:12
26 Posted 29/10/2017 at 17:11:41
27 Posted 29/10/2017 at 17:23:32
Surely we have to in all seriousness reconsider appointing OFM. David Moyes is currently a free agent. What would we give for a top six finish now? Yet under DM for a decade this was the norm. Including on occasions 5th and even a champions league spot. Superior to either of the expensive replacements we have now jettisoned. He would command instant respect amongst the players.
DM was never even given a chance at Man U. Sunderland has been a poisoned chalice for a long time. Look what happened to Martin O"Neil before DM took the job. In fact why is no one talking about MON as a possible replacement? Simply because both men 'failed' at Sunderland? One can only imagine what DM could have done with £150 million of investment. He achieved all he did without us ever spending serious dosh on a striker.
Why the antipathy and animosity towards DM? I've been an Evertonian for 40 years and I cannot understand it. DM to return with Unsworth as his assistant. He will sort this mess and quickly.
28 Posted 29/10/2017 at 17:38:32
29 Posted 29/10/2017 at 17:40:14
Bye bye, stadium if the unthinkable happens. But it looks very likely. We are absolute dig shit...
30 Posted 29/10/2017 at 17:50:33
31 Posted 29/10/2017 at 17:52:54
32 Posted 29/10/2017 at 17:54:09
33 Posted 29/10/2017 at 17:55:20
I would take Allardyce tomorrow, or Dyche, or Benitez. I don't give a shit about whether we find them quite to our taste - we are in deep, deep trouble and we absolutely must get out of it.
We have relegation stamped all over us. Carragher is right: concentrate on clean sheets first. That's Allardyce territory.
34 Posted 29/10/2017 at 17:56:26
Second half, we missed the pace and width. It looked nice and pretty so it was better in that respect, but ultimately we didnt really threaten.
As for Big Sam, god no. No matter what. Ever. No.
35 Posted 29/10/2017 at 17:56:36
I don't know what to think any more.
36 Posted 29/10/2017 at 17:57:44
37 Posted 29/10/2017 at 17:57:48
DM was never even given a chance at Man U. Sunderland has been a poisoned chalice for a long time. Look what happened to Martin O"Neil before DM took the job. In fact why is no one talking about MON as a possible replacement? Simply because both men 'failed' at Sunderland? One can only imagine what DM could have done with £150 million of investment. He achieved all he did without us ever spending serious dosh on a striker.
Why the antipathy and animosity towards DM? I've been an Evertonian for 40 years and I cannot understand it. DM to return with Unsworth as his assistant. He will sort this mess out and quickly.
38 Posted 29/10/2017 at 17:58:19
39 Posted 29/10/2017 at 18:01:36
Under Koeman we lacked shape, commitment and quality. I'm only seeing a lack of quality now. I suppose that's something.
Criminal that we've invested heavily and yet more than half our team are below standard or being filled by kids. Instead of quality we're having to accept willing. Kenny, Davies, Niasse, Calvert-Lewin, they're just their for their effort. Baines, Jagielka, Williams by virtue of having nothing else to pick from.
A bit of bad luck today with the cast iron penalty and own goal... but for all the effort I couldn't see us scoring. I can't think of anything tactical that would change that.
In terms of a new manager, it would be wrong to pick a Big Sam-alike. January needs to bring investment for us to get back on track... so pick the manager who you want to be at the helm when it comes.
40 Posted 29/10/2017 at 18:02:37
41 Posted 29/10/2017 at 18:02:38
Regarding Unsworth, I was heartened to see him try to make a positive change at 2-0 down at half time. It didnt come off, but he tried his best with the limited options we have got.
Steve Walsh should have been sacked with Koeman...
42 Posted 29/10/2017 at 18:03:26
43 Posted 29/10/2017 at 18:04:10
I think drastic measures are called for. Drop Rooney, and bring on the Icelander from the start. Stick Niasse up front and drop Williams as soon as we can.
At least Jagielka can normally use his positioning sense to make up for his lack of pace; Williams can't even seem to manage that these days.
44 Posted 29/10/2017 at 18:04:27
45 Posted 29/10/2017 at 18:04:28
46 Posted 29/10/2017 at 18:05:35
47 Posted 29/10/2017 at 18:06:16
48 Posted 29/10/2017 at 18:06:25
49 Posted 29/10/2017 at 18:06:34
50 Posted 29/10/2017 at 18:06:55
Absolute fucking discrace. Should be ashamed of themselves. Too many of 'em robbing the club of thousands of pounds a week. God knows what all the speckies that follow them week-in week-out think. My heart goes out to them. That team doesn't deserve the following we have.
51 Posted 29/10/2017 at 18:07:13
Yes Tuchel, Silva and quite a few others will come to manage us because basically the pay is good and we do have a great history and hopefully fans with bigger ambitions.
If we consider ourselves just another Crystal Palace, Stoke, West Brom etc etc then yes let's get Allardyce, Dyche, Pulis, etc etc, or do we actually want to be a team that competes and one where I don't have to spend every match day worrying if we can hold out for a draw with the likes of Burnley, Brighton, Stoke, Bournemouth etc etc.
52 Posted 29/10/2017 at 18:07:27
Name one side in the Premier League that Calvert-Lewin would start for?
53 Posted 29/10/2017 at 18:08:28
The surprise that Lukaku left with no notice (sarcasm) and left us with no time to find a replacement. A lack of creativity in a midfield, no strikers up front. How much money was spent to send us down? Some of the young ones look okay, but they've been put into a struggling team with no confidence.
Davies needs to learn and learn fast. Make a challenge, make it stick. If it doesn't stick, track back and work hard to mitigate the weak challenge. He's cost us 2 goals now, I'm not kidding, I fear for our survival.
54 Posted 29/10/2017 at 18:08:32
Yes, we were 'in' the game in the 2nd half, but did we honestly at any time look like scoring?
There is little or no potency in this side in attack.
The much-maligned Williams was probably our best defender. Kenny recovered well after slashing at the ball to give them the 2nd. Baines looks shot to me. So sad to see, but he is increasingly out of position and barely makes a effort to get back when we are under threat.
Beni, based on the performances of Schneiderlin and Gueye to date, contrasted to his performances against Chelsea and Leicester, must be seriously considered for a more regular starting place. Unlike the other pair, he stays on his feet, rarely loses out on a tackle, passes consistently accurately and has good peripheral vision of where he and his team mates are on the pitch.
Mirallas and Lennon might consider themselves unlucky to be hooked as Unsworth tried another formula to salvage something from the game. Rooney too was unlucky to be sacrificed - he really put a shift in and showed he cared. Still, a good balanced like for like switch with Sigurdsson. Only, our record signing again failed to come to the party.
Calvert-Lewin continues to impress and whatever else you may say about Niasse, he certainly has nuisance value in and around the opposition penalty area.
Lyon on Thursday is the last chance saloon in the Europa League, but home to Watford before the international break has now taken on huge importance.
We simply have to learn to keep clean sheets, because otherwise we just don't look like outscoring anyone in a free for all shoot out.
The club, the team, the players, Unsworth, the fans. All of us need a win.
55 Posted 29/10/2017 at 18:09:45
Calvert-Lewin and Niasse spent the afternoon watching the birdies. We could have huffed and puffed away until midnight and still not have scored, or even got a shot away on target. Very worrying times.
56 Posted 29/10/2017 at 18:10:38
If we lacked what he thought we lacked then why did we lose both when we still needed it? We actually got in behind them with those two on the pitch.
57 Posted 29/10/2017 at 18:12:09
Leicester defended well and had a great counter-attack.
Positives were Baningime. I thought Mirallas was our biggest threat so surprised he was hauled off. Niasse caused more trouble than Calvert-Lewin but is limited.
Can't defend reliably, can't score it's a relegation team at the moment and the manager we choose will decide our Premier League status.
I'm risk averse so Allardyce would be an option at this point.
58 Posted 29/10/2017 at 18:12:50
We have a team filled with players from relegated sides or regularly fighting relegation: Gana, Pickford, Keane, Williams, Jagielka, Baines, Sigurdsson, Bolasie... Then we have a past-it Rooney. On top of that we have a load of kids. At least when we signed Phil Neville, he came from a Championship-winning side and with a winning mentality.
59 Posted 29/10/2017 at 18:14:03
Tom Davies is a live wire but plays in isolation. As for Mirallas. Fuck me. Run fast, run at an angle, head down, keep running, look up, keep running and then disappear without the ball. Sell him please, he's fucking dreadful. Same runs, no idea, sell him.
Sorry for Unsy. I think Wayne should be coming off the bench but he's getting a game because of what he once was. Please not Big Sam or Dyche. Nice to Steve Walsh all smiles with the Leicester mob does he want to go back there???
60 Posted 29/10/2017 at 18:15:15
61 Posted 29/10/2017 at 18:15:41
Baines; never been a great left back, slow as well now.
Williams; too slow and clumsy
Jagielka; two seasons too many.
Kenny; lots to learn about the Premier League.
Gana; works hard. Not the answer.
Davies; see Kenny.
Mirallas; frustrating but talented.
Lennon; no end product.
Calvert-Lewin; needs a rest.
Rooney; needs two or three class players with pace around him.
Sigurdsson; plays like his wife is shagging the milkman.
Niasse; not good enough.
Baningime; glimpses of promise.
62 Posted 29/10/2017 at 18:15:56
I seriously doubt there's a manager or coach out there who could get a tune out of this sorry bunch This is as bad as it's been for many years.
63 Posted 29/10/2017 at 18:16:49
64 Posted 29/10/2017 at 18:17:21
Unsworth was also hampered by injuries, which meant he had to change his selection from the line-up against Chelsea. Count an unlucky own goal and a penalty not given and a better performance in the second half.
We are still heading in the right direction. Koeman was always heading in the wrong direction. No manager would be able to change the Koeman's situation in one match.
65 Posted 29/10/2017 at 18:18:32
I have to say that I'm currently less convinced by Calvert-Lewin but that's hardly surprising and we have no obvious replacement.
It's precisely because I want to see our youth investment come to fruition that I am prepared to countenance whatever it takes to keep us in the Premier League this season.
Unsworth? Sadly not.
66 Posted 29/10/2017 at 18:18:37
Trouble for Everton is, I don't know if you can sell a player twice in a season, and even if you can, you would have to take a big loss (we have twice the amount of midfield players needed). On current form, how the hell are we going to attract a decent striker (only chance there is if we get a big name manager who might be able to persuade one on his reputation; Big Sam would not have that pull).
I really thought Unsworth would get more commitment out of this team but this game it was back to the same Everton team as usual spineless, gutless and a discredit to the Everton shirt. Maybe having a millionaire backer has taken Everton from a team of fighters to a team who don't need to fight anymore because they will get well paid no matter where they finish and just trot around the park without exerting themselves or putting themselves in a position where they might get hurt.
67 Posted 29/10/2017 at 18:20:23
Gana is getting a 5-year deal. Haha. 5 more years of that.
68 Posted 29/10/2017 at 18:21:02
Yes, by all means be your own man, but, repeat that goal against Citeh again, and again, and again and again etc and you'll definitely be a legend.
At the moment... you're a concern.
69 Posted 29/10/2017 at 18:22:14
Theres no miracle cure though. We still have nothing up front. We need to make ourselves tough to beat, and hope we can nick a few wins, and then try to get a striker in in January. No manager could correct the imbalance in this squad without bringing players in. Unsworth has a thankless task at the minute in many ways. I cannot believe things are this bad already.
70 Posted 29/10/2017 at 18:22:21
71 Posted 29/10/2017 at 18:22:42
Unfortunately nothing positive is happening and whilst it is good to have the lions share of possession it's of little use if a) the team can't prevent the opponents from scoring, b) the team create so little to cause their opponents any problems in any given game.
The situation is now serious very serious and it's going to take an almighty effort to get the team back to winning ways. We don't seem to have the personell to carry out a Pulis style revival, we don't have the personell to go all out and attack and hope we score more than we concede. I don't envy David Unsworth or his potential replacement as this squad has so many issues to address it's unreal.
If Unsworth can get Everton to win another dozen points between now and the January window opening he deserves a medal as this is the most pessimistic I have ever been about an Everton team.
Some say that it's only October and it's far too early to panic but the league table doesn't lie and we are quickly turning into a relatively easy touch on the road, which puts so much pressure on the home form and that so far hasn't been great either.
72 Posted 29/10/2017 at 18:24:00
It is unbelievable that we don't have a forward worthy of the title. Rooney is well past his sell-by date as a centre-half and as for the other alternatives, Niasse and Sandro, please do me a favour!!!!
Walsh has a nerve showing his face these days. I wasn't Koeman's biggest fan but he wasn't the only one deserving of the sack!!
And to think some on here were talking about Champions League in August!!!
73 Posted 29/10/2017 at 18:24:17
74 Posted 29/10/2017 at 18:25:06
I just hope this experience doesnt effect his future chances to manage his beloved blues. Assistant manager, in the short term, perhaps?
75 Posted 29/10/2017 at 18:25:36
1. He can set up a team to defend and between now and the New Year window we need to defend like it is the Alamo. If we can get a few draws then that that is a few more points towards safety.
2. His reputation as a fearsome thug is exactly what some players in blue shirts need to face. Nice guys don't win relegation battles.
3. The next transfer window is not nirvana, picking a manger who can make the most of the investment is not a great idea when you are shipping goals for the next three months. You need to stop shipping goals now!
I would not be looking to give him a long term contract, a season at most. enough time for Walsh to earn his money by finding us a decent centre half, another right back and at least two left backs. But more important than that, at least two 15-20 goal a season strikers.
Once we have a team that can actually perform, then we can go and talk to all the wonderful managers we all want to see at Goodison but right now and right here we need someone who can stop us conceding goals.
76 Posted 29/10/2017 at 18:26:52
77 Posted 29/10/2017 at 18:27:29
78 Posted 29/10/2017 at 18:27:33
80 Posted 29/10/2017 at 18:29:06
Baines has never been a great left back !!?? Okay, time has caught up with him, but he was once the best in England.
As for the comment about Sigurdsson, why the need for crudeness and the totally unnecessary remarks about his wife. Criticise the team, the management, the owners but let's leave the personal insults out of it, particularly to families.
81 Posted 29/10/2017 at 18:31:27
I saw that team today, and saw Leicesters, and thought "shit they're better than us in EVERY department." Out-played, out-fought, out-thought.
Honestly I can't see where the next points are coming from.
82 Posted 29/10/2017 at 18:32:20
If not then the championship beckons.
83 Posted 29/10/2017 at 18:32:28
The team is shot on confidence. Unsworth doesn't have a magic wand. He can't bring a striker out of nowhere.
Also consider we have the longest Injury list:
- Funes Mori
That's half the first team. All where starters when injured. We also miss a few of the backup players. And yet after a few training sessions we can suddenly start winning games?
84 Posted 29/10/2017 at 18:32:47
I think he has also proved, although his heart is in it, maybe he needs a bit more, to clinch the job. I think the Chairman should seriously think about appointing someone, very soon, before we find ourselves not only in the Championship, but the laughing stock of the Football World.
85 Posted 29/10/2017 at 18:33:17
86 Posted 29/10/2017 at 18:35:13
Calvert-Lewin is nowhere near a threat to teams.
87 Posted 29/10/2017 at 18:35:49
You can bet your life if he's got any say in the new manager he'll go for the cheapest option.
88 Posted 29/10/2017 at 18:36:39
The major problem we now have is who will want to come. Any manager already with another club will have to be given permission by their present clubs to talk to Everton about their vacancy, and I cant see any chairman allowing that to happen. So that leaves us with who is unemployed. Big Sam, no thanks , just to get you out of the relegation zone and then leave. D.Moyes no thanks , left because he believed he could do better than Everton has now ended up being fired by United, relegated with Sunderland and not forgetting his limited time in Spain.
We thought and expected improvements when we got new ownership, but it seems we still have the same lack of premier league intelligence on how to run the first team squad. Hiring people to raise the level of your first team has been a total disaster. Regardless whose fault it was to spend weeks replacing expensive midfielders, and not replacing your leading goalscorer, it is nothing short of gross negligence, and I do not believe that firing the manager solved all of the problems.
i don't know if the board and owner have any ideas who they want as a new manger, but I do believe that it is up to B.K., he will only think of our previous manager as a safe bet.
I don't live in Liverpool anymore but I never fail to find a game on TV, sometimes by what some broadcast companies seem illegal, but this is the first time in 60years I have gone out after the first half of a game. Some people may think we are showing some improvement after the firing of the manager,but to me there is nothing that is going to get them out of the bottom 3.
89 Posted 29/10/2017 at 18:37:40
90 Posted 29/10/2017 at 18:37:43
91 Posted 29/10/2017 at 18:38:09
92 Posted 29/10/2017 at 18:38:48
This is a squad lacking any confidence at all, and plan or guidance, seemingly with little passion and self belief as frustrated as we all are personal attacks do not help at all.
Some individuals give some dreadful stick to certain young players especially.
For me, I wouldn't want to see much more of Baines, Williams, Jagielka, Mirallas, Niasse. Lennon and a few more but calling them squalid unpleasant names isn't going to help anyone.
I was at the Lyon game the other week and someone behind me called Klaassen names from the minute ref blew his whistle - really unpleasant crude stuff.
We are struggling seriously we need each other fans, players and manager.
93 Posted 29/10/2017 at 18:39:42
Baines is finished unfortunately and we do need another CB. My big worry is that we might have to lower our expectations of the standard of the players we bring in. If it's a relegation battle, which it is increasingly looking like.
Steve Walsh will need to earn is money and bring in relative unknowns from the continent at LB, CB and striker.
94 Posted 29/10/2017 at 18:40:07
Desperate we may be/get but please never that desperate.
95 Posted 29/10/2017 at 18:41:16
I don't know if Unsy is the man to turn this around but I wouldn't be so quick to discard our younger (and some older) players and the new ones.
Schneiderlin, Klaassen, Sigurdsson, Keane and Co are all really good players. Combine them with Kenny, Davies, Calvert-Lewin etc...and, with a bit of work, you have the making of a very good side.
What we have lacked this season is (apart from a top striker) is a game plan and the practice needed to make it work. Obviously our pre-season was a disaster as Koeman was too lazy to choose his first team and then drill them till they dropped.
The lack of understanding on the pitch is down to not having a stable team and not putting in the work and effort in training.
The amount of damage Koeman has done cannot be underestimated as Unsy is now witnessing.
96 Posted 29/10/2017 at 18:41:54
Lets not forget we not only sold Lukaku, but the other two forwards at the club were let go. We needed 2 quality strikers minimum not just one. To start the season with no strikers and bang average players across the team is criminal. We may pay the ultimate price because do not kid yourselves we have a real battle for survival on our hands.
97 Posted 29/10/2017 at 18:43:04
This is going to be a bloody mess and a scramble and I simply don't see what people think is going to happen to make it any different. It's a time for street fighters and, at the moment, we don't have any.
98 Posted 29/10/2017 at 18:45:27
99 Posted 29/10/2017 at 18:45:44
How do we stay up? Two words. Sam Allardyce.
Not even sure that would do it and I can't believe I'm contemplating it but what options do we have to bring in an operator who can preserve our status in the Premier League.
100 Posted 29/10/2017 at 18:46:58
Losing is becoming a habit. Even after only 10 games, if people cannot see the inevitable outcome of this season then there is something wrong with them.
We are a team with no fighters, we cannot afford to leave this much longer as this squad will not battle us out of a relegation scrap. It's no good us appointing a manager who may well want us to play open and attractive football for the rest of this season, that can wait until we are hopefully still in this league next season.
Right now we need someone to get us out of the hole we have dug ourselves in to. Until the end of the season, we have to bring in the one man who has a proven track record in saving lost causes: Allardyce. People may not want him, bloody hell I don't want him. But what is the alternative?
Unsworth's time will come it was never fair putting this fiasco on his shoulders. Unfortunately we need a firefighter now. Forget this crap game on Thursday, play the U23s. We should be devoting absolutely everything on the relegation battle we are already in.
101 Posted 29/10/2017 at 18:47:10
I have nothing against Unsworth but now is not the time to bring him on board as the first team manager when the team is all over the place. An experienced manager is required, someone who knows exactly the problems and knows exactly how to solve them and gets results.
Wins by any means is what we need right now. Nothing pretty just effective. You have to be water tight, don't give them a sniff of a chance, be professional, park the bus then hit them on the break. It was amateur hour letting them score on the break.
Who to bring in? More like who's willing to take on this poisoned chalice of a job. It would be a miracle if we got the quality of Benitez in, somehow I think Big Sam is the standard they are looking at and who knows if he can turn it around.
Very disappointed on the manner of the loss, just thought we were better than that.
102 Posted 29/10/2017 at 18:48:14
103 Posted 29/10/2017 at 18:48:30
Realistically who will we attract in our current plight?
104 Posted 29/10/2017 at 18:48:37
We have to bring in an established striker. I remember watching a Kevin Campbell interview recently where he spoke of the goals that kept us up.
Saying that, he saw that the reason we were struggling was because we were relying on the likes of Cadamarteri, Jeffers and they didn't have the game experience needed to be the main men. Seems like we're at that point now relying on Calvert-Lewin.
105 Posted 29/10/2017 at 18:49:15
Please just sign Tuchel now.
106 Posted 29/10/2017 at 18:51:09
Rooney did a few good things, including putting Lennon through and he might have done better than pass the ball rather than trying a shot. It also looked like a penalty on Lennon from another Rooney pass.
This was balanced by Rooney getting caught in possession too often, giving the ball away a lot and too slow to react to passes made to him. Plenty of effort but most definitely not worth the salary he is getting.
After saying that, Sigurdsson took two corners and didn't do anything else. Beni was one of the few who looked for his team mates and tried to play football going forward. Any fan who doesn't realise how much trouble we are in isn't paying attention.
107 Posted 29/10/2017 at 18:51:17
108 Posted 29/10/2017 at 18:52:18
109 Posted 29/10/2017 at 18:52:28
We need a tough manager to sort all this out.
Koeman has destroyed the morale of the squad and we need someone to give them a boost.
Benitez for me.
110 Posted 29/10/2017 at 18:52:35
111 Posted 29/10/2017 at 18:54:46
The clamour for Allardyce is for a manager with a proven track record of helping clubs survive the drop.
Wake up mate this is serious.
What are we going to do play teams off the park. No. We need to scrap for our lifes.
I know its not what we want to see but we must survive first and foremost.
Im finding it hard to even endorse Allardyce but we need someone who will give us a chance to stay up. Id also take Dyche. Managers like Ancelotti and Tuchel just wont come. And I dont want a “name” to come and cut his teeth with us. We need somebody who knows how to scrap.
112 Posted 29/10/2017 at 18:55:45
113 Posted 29/10/2017 at 18:56:33
I think Unsy can turn this around, got to give him at least the next couple of matches. Big Sam shout will gain momentum the more this run of form goes on. We need to buy a couple of decent strikers in January along with some quality out wide.
114 Posted 29/10/2017 at 18:57:18
Coleman, a great player but broken legs generally knock the stuffing out of players and they never really come back the same. (I sincerely hope I'm wrong Seamus)
Funes-Mori, I don't remember him looking like the next Kevin Ratcliffe.
Barkley, doesn't want to sign a contract.
Bolasie, I"m not expecting much from him.
Keane, if he'd come into a better team he might have looked better.
In short, I'm not that excited by the players in the treatment room as it is goals we need a la Kevin Campbell or Yakubu when they came. We have sold the best goalscorer we have had since Sharp, Gray and Lineker wore the shirt.
To replace him will be almost impossible but try we must.
Even Bournemouth went and bought a goalscorer.
115 Posted 29/10/2017 at 18:57:56
It's the most we've got in the Premier League. It's the most we've got ever, bar 3 seasons under Kendall. Whatever way you want to look at it, it was a brilliant season.
116 Posted 29/10/2017 at 18:58:06
Beni and Tom did well, Gana worked but wasn't very effective and until Beni came on we wandered around leaving too much space for them to play.
Baines was the big disappointment for me a shadow of his former self, very vulnerable and useless going forward; hopefully this is temporary but I fear he is on a pretty quick descent now with Williams and Jags also getting too old.
As for Unsy, he has had maybe 3 training sessions and will still be forming opinions on players. This is not a magic wand job without a scorer, we need to get the general play right and how does he tighten a defence with three veterans and a rookie with only Martina and Holgate as options?
This is a very tough job and Unsy needs some time to sort it. Lyon and Watford will be interesting as he has now seen why Ronald didn't trust two wide players in the same team yet it was only with them that we showed any penetration. How did it come to this?
118 Posted 29/10/2017 at 18:59:46
The gossip is we've big £30m for Sanchez, I'd file that in the same drawer as the Shearer bid! There's no way we won't sign a striker. I just hope it's a good one.
119 Posted 29/10/2017 at 19:00:34
120 Posted 29/10/2017 at 19:02:22
121 Posted 29/10/2017 at 19:03:43
122 Posted 29/10/2017 at 19:04:21
This is not like chasing down the top 4 where you lose a couple and it's gone, it's relegation where you can win 3 in 10 and still climb the table. Win 3 in a row and you're in midtable at any stage of the season. Win 3 in a row now and you're top half.
So stop over-reacting.
123 Posted 29/10/2017 at 19:05:16
But the season is an unfolding catastrophe, caused by probably the most unbalanced squad in the club's history.
In turn, that is the result of a combination of:
- long term injuries to important players;
- the loss of Lukaku;
- tactical insanity by Koeman;
The board, therefore, might decide we need a specialist in stopping relegation, rather than someone to bring the team forward for now. With the state of the squad, is there a manager on earth who could turn it around and soar up the table? Personally, I don't think there is.
124 Posted 29/10/2017 at 19:05:40
125 Posted 29/10/2017 at 19:05:57
Koeman has left us in deep shit. Not buying a striker to replace Lukaku was baffling, not buying a left sided centre-back, and left back to replace Baines. The only other left back is Garbutt, and he was never registered, absolutely shocking.
The biggest worry is trying to survive until the window opens in January.
126 Posted 29/10/2017 at 19:05:58
We need to wake up and realise how deep in the mire we are.
127 Posted 29/10/2017 at 19:06:09
I remember posting last season about who the hell we were going to replace Lukaku with. Never in my wildest nightmares did I think that the answer to that question would be no-one at all. We're in the shite, no question about it, and I can't see how the chuff we can turn it around. I'm worried.
128 Posted 29/10/2017 at 19:06:41
129 Posted 29/10/2017 at 19:06:50
He needs to drop the public statements of ambition and focus on the immediate job. Big Sam is probably leaving his phone on but I'd go with Dyche if possible. I've always thought that if the answer to a footballing question is "send for Allardyce" then something is wrong with question.
130 Posted 29/10/2017 at 19:07:50
131 Posted 29/10/2017 at 19:09:45
I think there will be a difference in that Walsh will be told to bring someone in regardless of who the head coach is, particularly if it remains Unsworth.
132 Posted 29/10/2017 at 19:10:02
133 Posted 29/10/2017 at 19:11:04
134 Posted 29/10/2017 at 19:15:15
Scroll to the bottom, but consider they had Kieran Richardson, Joleon Loescott, Micah Richards, and Agbonlahor.
135 Posted 29/10/2017 at 19:15:56
136 Posted 29/10/2017 at 19:15:57
137 Posted 29/10/2017 at 19:16:42
But I hope you're right and I am not going to keep saying the same thing, it's too depresssing.
138 Posted 29/10/2017 at 19:17:21
139 Posted 29/10/2017 at 19:17:54
140 Posted 29/10/2017 at 19:18:45
Be realistic: Everton are in crisis with an awful squad and an awful stadium. The future ain't looking that good.
141 Posted 29/10/2017 at 19:19:55
Anyone else... relegation.
142 Posted 29/10/2017 at 19:21:58
The players worked their socks off and closed every Leicester down, proud of them.
I can't believe the negative moaners. Give Unsworth a chance he has barely got into the job!!!
143 Posted 29/10/2017 at 19:23:45
The harsh reality is we look like a team that has been sussed. No pace and no fire. Every game we try the same bludgeoning tactics.
Under David Moyes, we were boring but mostly solid. Martinez tried to be more adventurous and failed. Koeman tried. Er... no he didn't.
Whoever gets the next stab at it needs to get the basics sorted out very quickly. I will take boring sorry football over the abyss of the Championship all day long. Moshiri might need to break the January transfer records to put the mess right as I can't see the players we have being good enough.
144 Posted 29/10/2017 at 19:23:48
I pray that you are being sarcastic. Battered them? My God.
145 Posted 29/10/2017 at 19:27:42
That said, this team would look far better with Bolasie, Coleman and Barkley in it.
146 Posted 29/10/2017 at 19:28:45
They were all expected to win the 10 from 28 games to stay up,and fans were exaggerating etc.
Question: Everton have only 2 wins from 10 games,so how the fuck are they going to win 10 or 11 from 28? Perhaps it's plucky Everton's year?
What a legacy, Bill I hope you're now satisfied. This is Villa all over again.
As I have probably opened a hornet's nest now, may as well add that Allardyce is as near to a guarantee of survival as you will get need's must when the devil drives.
I sincerely hope I am very wrong.
147 Posted 29/10/2017 at 19:29:10
148 Posted 29/10/2017 at 19:29:33
Jagielka – terrible footballer
Williams – terrible footballer and a liability
Baines – finished and if he was ever the best LB in England as some say, then that says more about the lack of quality LBs in England
Kenny – zero confidence and still green.
So you start at match with a back four that won't keep a clean sheet, you need to be able to score goals. To score goals you have to create goals. The only chance we had of doing that was negated when both wingers were subbed at half-time.
It also needs to be pointed out to those saying we are playing Championship football at the moment that a more incorrect statement doesn't exist and I think those people haven't watched much Championship football. Our players would have their legs broken in that league because the refs sure don't blow the whistle half as much as they do in the Premier League.
None of our players at the moment have the bottle to make or take a tackle so don't even kid yourselves that we could hack it in that league either without wholesale changes to the playing staff.
149 Posted 29/10/2017 at 19:32:10
The next two games are crucial for his push to hold onto the mantle. But if we start to call for the head of managers after losing two matches we'll be tumbling down the leagues, not just finding ourselves "in a relegation batlle".
We have started appualingly. We have a number of injuries and an unbalanced squad. I believe that's Koeman's doing and frankly it's difficult to see how any manager would galvanise us differently in the way Unsworth has tried.
150 Posted 29/10/2017 at 19:38:22
If we went for Allardyce, it would most likely be a contract to the end of the season with a big survival bonus. However, I would like to see us go all out for Tuchel. He is a guy that always has a plan and would certainly bring news ideas to this group.
In saying that, Allardyce would almost guarantee safety and maybe then we could look to be a little more forward thinking.
I don't envy Moshiri. This decision is massive.
151 Posted 29/10/2017 at 19:38:56
152 Posted 29/10/2017 at 19:39:20
I'm not blaming Walsh solely for the mess we are in. I believe his role should be to spot good young ones. Basically to rely on a has been Rooney, a couple of kids and a bargain basement striker from another league is something I would expect from a newly promoted side with no money.
This is Everton FC – the fourth most successful club in the league with a billionaire backer. A man who has publicly stated he is ambitious for us to compete in the Champions League. Or is that all just smoke up our arses?
153 Posted 29/10/2017 at 19:39:33
154 Posted 29/10/2017 at 19:40:27
Moshiri wants Silva, I would be happy with him, he's been my favourite all along. But I would still like to see Unsworth given time to stake a claim.
155 Posted 29/10/2017 at 19:41:55
I have followed my beloved football club for 55+ years and I have not seen us as bad as this since those buffoons, Mike Walker and Walter Smith, were in charge. For the first time, since we were 2-0 down to Wimbledon, I really fear that we will be relegated. Joe McMahon @ #140 is right, but not quite right, because the future is looking bloody dreadful !!!
156 Posted 29/10/2017 at 19:41:57
Now I dont know what will happen or how we do it but, we will not get relegated. Read my lips, we will not get relegated. Stop it, its not funny.
157 Posted 29/10/2017 at 19:44:49
Why wait until we are firmly routed in the bottom 5/6 before appointing someone who had the experience and know-how to get us out of it? Why not do it now and grind out results and aim for mid-table by Christmas?
This season is a write-off, get someone in to salvage it and try to establish a platform for next season rather than bury our heads in the sand and assume it will all be alright?
158 Posted 29/10/2017 at 19:44:59
159 Posted 29/10/2017 at 19:45:22
160 Posted 29/10/2017 at 19:45:55
Ferguson, Royle, Ebrell, Unsworth, Jeffers, Baxter and whatever other one of Chairman Bill's special projects who reside at the club ain't going to get us out of this shit, or take us into the promised land.
We're a joke. Carry on 'getting the club' in the Championship with the current decision makers in place.
And our youngsters are no more special than any other club in this League.
Anyone want tickets a table of ten for a goal we scored in the Derby 63 years ago? There are about 30 of these 'dinners' every yeear. But we're special.
161 Posted 29/10/2017 at 19:46:29
Baningime has looked the best of a sorry bunch in midfield and Lennon hasn't offered anything in the last two games. Lookman is a better option.
We've got to play Sigurdsson either next to Beni or in place of Rooney which isn't ideal as Rooney is the one with the nouse and eye for a goal.
We can't change much at the back but I pray Seamus is back after the internationals. As for manager, we are in the shit. I'm not sure it's Allardyce depth shit yet so therefore I'm hoping Dyche comes on board. He knows how to organise a defence and win football matches in the league.
162 Posted 29/10/2017 at 19:49:54
163 Posted 29/10/2017 at 19:51:39
164 Posted 29/10/2017 at 19:53:42
165 Posted 29/10/2017 at 19:53:48
These days are squad is full of experienced Internationals and some very promising kids (enough, IMO, to get us out of this mess). It will take time and lots of effort but, ffs, dont compare us to Aston Villa, Sunderland or Newcastle.
166 Posted 29/10/2017 at 19:53:55
We've got some real problems down the left where Baines and Williams have become our biggest liability yet we have no alternative and the shocking Gueye who needs to be benched.
Though I'm not a fan, I'd try McCarthy in the defensive roll sitting in front of the back four with instructions to search and destroy and what we would give for Barkley back in this team,we're desperate for a player who can actually go at a defence and commit defenders,i'd have Vlasic in too.
Priority now is points on the board at any cost so we need to start with defence and fighting to keep a clean sheet,wont be pretty but we're fighting for our Premier League lives now, let's have no doubts about it – relegation is a reality.
Kenny, Jagielka, Williams, Baines,
167 Posted 29/10/2017 at 19:54:22
He won't go back to the U23s now, will he?
168 Posted 29/10/2017 at 19:55:28
What I am seeing now is the worst combination. No belief, no desire and no answers. We have some of the best young players in English football. We also have some of the most spineless footballers I've ever seen.
Look at the list of clubs in the championship and tell me all that played in the premier league expected relegation. In the past I've always seen something that convinced me we would be OK. Not this season I'm afraid.
I can only hope we can spend our way out of trouble in January.
169 Posted 29/10/2017 at 19:55:50
170 Posted 29/10/2017 at 19:57:57
However, this league is even more unforgiving than in those early years of the Premier League and therefore it will take a lot more to win the points than it did in those days. Everton FC has no divine right to remain in the top flight, we should be proud of the record of consecutive seasons in the upper tier but we should never ever take it for granted, it has to be earned.
We have fourteen home games remaining and as fans we have to try and generate a positive atmosphere at Goodison in all of those games - a bit of old school support - may result in us retaining our place in the top flight and who knows it might just spur us on to the FA Cup too - but right now I'll take survival and the former Echo reporter Ric George agrees with me.
171 Posted 29/10/2017 at 19:58:15
172 Posted 29/10/2017 at 20:01:11
Even apart from his performance as chairman, I think the man exudes conformity and mediocrity. He has taken us back, in our outlook and ambition. Depart I say! (not you, him).
173 Posted 29/10/2017 at 20:01:21
See you next Tuesday, Joey.
174 Posted 29/10/2017 at 20:02:52
Weve been left rudderless but weve got a decent crew. All we need is a good captain to get us safely to shore.
175 Posted 29/10/2017 at 20:03:26
176 Posted 29/10/2017 at 20:03:41
The annoying factor is that both have contributed to the state of the Club now; and yet both have been sacked, with a lottery sized payday. We are left with their folly and not a lot to look forward to either.
178 Posted 29/10/2017 at 20:05:39
I can't recall ever fearing the drop so early in any season, including the 1958-59 season when we lost the first six games, scoring 4 goals and conceding 20. However, I can't see any way out of our predicament, and I believe that the mess left by Ronald Koeman will need a miracle to repair.
I posted on another thread that, whoever is appointed as Manager, could be the best thing or the worst thing to happen to the Club, only time will tell.
I understand the anger and concern expressed by many on this site, but I would the urge the match-going "Webbers" to get behind the team, and to pray for that miracle. I believe we all have players we like, and some we're not too keen on, but at this critical time, I feel it's important we give them our full support.
179 Posted 29/10/2017 at 20:06:10
I just can't see it. I still think Calvert-Lewin is our best option up top but none of the options are going to guarantee goals.
I'd try Lookman over Lennon but it's no silver bullet.
We can't change much in defence, and I can't see how a new manager fixes that. Do his organisation skills stop Williams taking a touch in front of Mahrez?
Until we get a striker this is all pointless. And this pointless few months will make the search for a striker even harder. I said before the window closed that we should have signed a stop gap while we looked for quality. I still believe that with some of the costly gaffes we make what's one short term signing really costing us?
I feel for Unsworth. Finally gets his chance, makes the team competitive, gets a reaction out of the players but he's on a hiding to nothing. We're just not going to be able to score enough goals without a recognised striker for him to prove whether he can do the job.
180 Posted 29/10/2017 at 20:06:17
181 Posted 29/10/2017 at 20:06:40
182 Posted 29/10/2017 at 20:08:02
I really believe that the squad is probably as talented as we have had for some time but it is obvious that confidence is rock bottom. It is so obvious that some crucial positions were neglected in the summer.
The player brought in, were outstanding for their previous teams and don't become bad players overnight.
Regaining confidence is not going to be easy, changing the team to try and find the best combination is not going to help but how long do you stick with player who are not performing.
Most Evertonians wanted Howard Kendall out prior to the Oxford game but that was all that was required to change the teams fortunes, I hope that our Oxford game is not too far away.
183 Posted 29/10/2017 at 20:09:42
184 Posted 29/10/2017 at 20:10:38
Something along the lines of "a glorified PE Teacher" Colin.
185 Posted 29/10/2017 at 20:12:17
These players appear to have control of the dressing room.
You want to know why we are in the position we are in? The players that are one of the main problems appear undroppable. If they stay and play we will get relegated, it's that simple.
A new manager needs to get rid of all of them and start again.
186 Posted 29/10/2017 at 20:12:45
Despite having many decent individual players, we have no balance, we have a combination of too old or too young for defense, and we can't score goals. It is a terrible malaise, and a way out will not come easy.
The confidence has been ripped to shreds, team morale at an all time low. It doesn't look like the players are up to fight for each other.
The fact is, we became accustomed to being best of the rest during Moyes years, and we though that the natural progression was upwards. Unfortunately, we have been proven wrong.
The core of our 'success' under Moyes was 'togetherness', 'solidity' and making the most out of the one or two top level players we had.
Now, the overall quality has improved, but all other elements of a team have been stripped apart.
Where do we go from here? The injuries to Funes Mori and Coleman have definitely affected us, and Baines' decline this season has been huge, yet this we should have been prepared for.
Bolasie's return will give us pace, but his stats for assists and goals mean he won't come in and transform our fortunes.
We are up shit creek.
We don't have the defenders for an Allardyce style escape.
For me, the only name that gives me hope is Tuchel.
187 Posted 29/10/2017 at 20:14:06
You know I did.
188 Posted 29/10/2017 at 20:15:04
Get yer heads out yer arses and stop being arrogant. We fucking don't.
189 Posted 29/10/2017 at 20:15:08
190 Posted 29/10/2017 at 20:15:22
Now we can't score goals and have an ageing defence another year older. Baines looks like Kenny Sansom during his Everton spell. He's sadly only a squad player now. It's so frustrating to know you've got £70m on the bench in Klaassen and Sigurdsson. It's money that currently looks wasted. It could have been money spent on a LB and striker.
I would drop DCL (too inexperienced for a relegation battle) and be starting games with Rooney as an out and out striker and tell him to stay in position because he hasn't been when he's been asked to play there. Sigurdsson has to be our No.10 and Klaaseen is a luxury who might come good next season, fingers crossed.
We're not going to be scoring lots of goals until we buy another top striker. Until then we have to set ourselves up not to concede. Rooney is good enough up top to get us a few 1-0 wins until we can address things properly in Jan.
191 Posted 29/10/2017 at 20:15:45
I actually recall Sam doing this against us with Blackburn. Might have been an opening day game under Moyes. They showed no interest in the game until they got a free kick and then lumped everyone up for a high ball from the keeper. And beat us 1-0.
I remember thinking that I couldn't stand seeing my team play that way. He might have made them a mid table side but there's was only one way that club could go - Venkys or no Venkys.
I hope things aren't quite so bad that we'd want that kind of football.
192 Posted 29/10/2017 at 20:16:28
193 Posted 29/10/2017 at 20:18:15
I was not so optimistic and advocated getting out of the EL as soon as possible to take the fight 100% to the premier league.
Football can at times be hard to predict but it is a simple game. Score goals at one end and stop them going in at the other. WE DO NEITHER.
I can't remember any team staying up that had that combination. We look a lot like Forest the season they went down. Full of talented players but no end product.
Please buy Troy Deeney, Walcott and Rondon in January. Two big uns and a fast one who might get the goals we need to stay up.
Oh and get the bloke from Sheffield United in as manager.
194 Posted 29/10/2017 at 20:20:42
195 Posted 29/10/2017 at 20:22:48
Are they really better than Lescott, Howard, Baines, Jagielka, Pienaar, Arteta, Cahill were in their day ? What happened to our recruitment ?
If this is 'ambition', let's go back to 'sensible' !
196 Posted 29/10/2017 at 20:23:05
197 Posted 29/10/2017 at 20:23:18
I found it bizzare so many seemed to welcome the appointment of someone with no experience at this level.
We were as bad as ever today. A total mess.
198 Posted 29/10/2017 at 20:23:34
Baines needs replacing, he seems to have forgotten that his main purpose is to stop the opposition from crossing the ball, he is woeful and has been for sometime.
199 Posted 29/10/2017 at 20:23:52
200 Posted 29/10/2017 at 20:27:05
We are in trouble. The manager must be announced shortly. Researched yes, by the international break and in place.
201 Posted 29/10/2017 at 20:27:15
And if Unsworth wants to play wide, where on Earth was Vlasic!? He's the only wide player to look a threat this season.
I hope Unsy doesn't run out his U23 squad every week, they're miles away from PL quality at this point
202 Posted 29/10/2017 at 20:27:40
At the end of last season we certainly needed a replacement, preferably two, for RL. For me, more importantly, we needed one (two would be better) quick CBs. To be more specific, we needed a quick, left-sided CB. We got neither a quick nor left-sided player. In fact, we ended up with Keane, a player who works well in a rigidly structured defence and middle four, We sent out on loan youngsters who were no worse and one, Galloway, who was much quicker.
Posters have often berated RK and, before him RM, for playing two defensive midfielders. Today we didn't do that. Yayyyy. And for the first goal both of our central midfield players made abortive attempts to make tackles inside the opposition half, on the same side of the pitch ffs.
Football and politics rarely make for parallels but one is true IMHO. Principles are great but winning is all.
Love attacking football but not much point when your approach previously has left you 0-2 down.
We need to get 15 points from the next 9 games. We won't do that with DU as manager. Me, I said I was a miserable bastard, I 'd get big Sam in. Sadly, I'd see DU go from the club at that point.
203 Posted 29/10/2017 at 20:28:36
204 Posted 29/10/2017 at 20:29:41
Anyway, the net has to be cast wide. Fortunately, there is an international break soon, which gives us just a bit more time.
205 Posted 29/10/2017 at 20:30:46
206 Posted 29/10/2017 at 20:33:03
We all hope the cavalry of Coleman, Barkley, Bolasie etc will help but if we are relying on Funes Mori we'd better be prepared for away games at Barnsley next season!
If I had to place my money on a preferred new manager, it would have to be Dyche. We are fighting the odds now, need a few results urgently, and need a plan with pace and effort. Why give up at half-time today and take off both wingers and not give Lookman 30 mins? Sorry Dave, I think you've failed your audition.
207 Posted 29/10/2017 at 20:33:35
208 Posted 29/10/2017 at 20:35:40
This team falls short on every count quality, pace, commitment, tactical awareness. Can't defend, can't score.
We are also showing worrying signs of delusion eg Tom Davies (possibly good prospect, tries his best) shouldn't be anywhere near a Premier League starting place. Consistently loses the ball, easily muscled off, poor choices when he has the ball.
Of course it's not his fault we are crap but madness to think his standard of play is going to dig us out of the shit. We have seasoned professionals with proven track records on the staff and the only way we are going to find points between now and January is by harnessing their abilities not by chucking a load of unready kids into the fray. We need a new manager asap who can do this.
And just to make it worse I'm going to Lyon this week!
209 Posted 29/10/2017 at 20:36:07
The lack of a striker is a huge worry but get the team playing to a regular pattern with a solid defence and goals will come. Okay not enough to get us into the top half but certainly enough to get out of the bottom three.
Unsy cannot be blamed for today and he will have learned a lot about his squad for next week. We tried the big name manager with Ron and look what happened.
Give Unsy a proper chance this is not an easy fix as there is too much wrong but I agree with Colin that there is enough talent to fix it once a plan is in place.
210 Posted 29/10/2017 at 20:37:10
Will the same comments apply when we bring in Allardyce and he loses his first 2 games? But thats ok because we can then bring in Silva, and if he loses his first 2 games then Tuchel there are loads to go at.
Yes, we are in the mire but come on lads give Unsworth at least a fighting chance.
211 Posted 29/10/2017 at 20:37:49
My top two choices: Benitez (doubt if he'd come?) and Paul Clement.
Definitely no to Moyes, Allardyce, Dyche, Tuchel, Ancelotti I couldn't imagine the last two would come anyway.
It was obvious that, against Leicester of all teams, we'd be undone by pace. With the possible exception of Kenny, our back 4 is so slow and well past its sell-by date. None of those 4 starters are Premier League players, and neither are Rooney or Lennon. Calvert-Lewin isn't either unless in a quicker and more creative team.
We had no creative midfield player in our starting 11 the only player who seriously threatened their goal was subbed at half-time.
Kenwright has messed us up being a true Evertonian doesn't mean you're fit to play for or manage the club. 28 games to go 30 points needed no new players until 2018 if we can get decent ones to come then? We have to prepare for the worst; I hope I'm wrong, but that's where we are I'm afraid.
Our back 4 is disastrous there are not two worse central defenders in the Premier League than Jags & Williams. Re-building in the Championship may be what we need, even though it's not an attractive prospect.
A lot of us need a reality check. Our serious troubles for this season started with the Lukaku - Rooney deal in the first half of July and has Kenwright's mits all over it he must go and take Rooney. What contribution does Dunc make?
212 Posted 29/10/2017 at 20:40:36
213 Posted 29/10/2017 at 20:42:01
Baines and Jagielka are way past their best, look pudgy and slow the play down. They should never have had been offered extensions but thanked for their service and left to find other clubs. I find it easy to believe the rumours they 'downed tools' on Koeman and Martinez in a display of player power and it looks like we are becoming a bit of a rest home for aging players no other clubs wants.
214 Posted 29/10/2017 at 20:43:01
Moyes tried buying on the cheap at Sunderland, with lots of the shite he brought to Everton, and we know what happened to Sunderland...
Darren Gibson may have been cheap but over 4 years of wages for 50 appearances and 2 goals says he was also an expensive waste of crap too.
215 Posted 29/10/2017 at 20:44:23
We need to hire a good manager right now to assess who should be sold and what sort of players we get during the upcoming transfer window. Its a matter of urgency otherwise we will be relegated, no doubt!
216 Posted 29/10/2017 at 20:47:45
217 Posted 29/10/2017 at 20:48:56
Fucking mental that is!
Unsy has been in the job one week, FFS! In that week, we've looked better than at any other time this season.
The schedule will begin, after Lyon, to not be so cruel. Give the man a chance until Christmas and then assess.
Jesus, knee-jerk is an understatement. I understand the very real concern...
But Allardyce? Gotta be fuckin' kidding me, right?
Boring shit football from a snake manager? I'll pass.
Give Unsy at least a little time and yes time IS short but give the poor fella a bit of a run to see how he can do.
218 Posted 29/10/2017 at 20:51:32
219 Posted 29/10/2017 at 20:52:21
Even Allardyce would be hard pushed to save us if he was appointed in April.
This isnt a hard luck story this season. We are seriously rubbish. Shipping goals, not creating much, confidence shot, desire questionable and its tough deciding a best 11 and formation from a badly unbalanced and threadbare in areas squad.
Im not one for knee jerk reactions but we need some help or divine intervention.
220 Posted 29/10/2017 at 20:53:48
221 Posted 29/10/2017 at 20:54:36
222 Posted 29/10/2017 at 20:54:56
Kenny, Keane, Davies and Calvert-Lewin are not good enough for Everton. We need to replace all four with better players in those positions. All have shown glimpses now and then but you don't keep playing them when they start stinking the place out.
Unfortunately injury and a lack of foresight by the club have left us with a threadbare squad. Spurs have been the pundits model of how to cracking the top four and I can see why. They have blooded their youngsters and took them out the firing line when necessary. They have evolved and replaced the has-beens. They are pretty solid at the back and have oodles of pace going forward.
We on the other hand have hung on to ageing players and relied on untested youth. My eleven to get us out the shit:
Pickford, [Replacement], [Replacement], Jagielka (until we can replace him) [Replacement], Gana, Barkley, Lookman, [Replacement], [Replacement], [Replacement].
223 Posted 29/10/2017 at 20:56:12
What we NEED is something in very, very short supply with the fan base currently - PATIENCE!
Not a ton of it, just a little.
Hows this? Let Unsy have a shot at it through my American Thanksgiving. Basically November
If we are still shitting the bed then sell our School of Science soul and bring in Fat Sam.
224 Posted 29/10/2017 at 20:59:08
I can't believe you had the temerity to type them words... Look, we don't score goals and we concede. What part of that don't you understand?
This is trouble them words I've just typed = relegation nothing more nothing less No manager or coach in world football can save us, believe me. We are a fucking disaster.
No creativity. No craft. No guile. No leaders. No defence. No strikers.
Over-reacting? You stupid stupid man.
225 Posted 29/10/2017 at 21:01:29
We pay off two incompetents to the tune of £20m, then put a team costing over £200m in the hands of a guy who has never managed in the top flight.
Unsworth then plays the oldest team he possibly can against a side full of pace and bins all the signings we spent all summer chasing. Only at Everton could the powers that be, be so inept.
226 Posted 29/10/2017 at 21:02:24
I really like Unsworth and obviously want him to do well and earn the position full time. However he has been dealt a shit hand and my concern is he doesn't have the experience to deal with what is an awful situation.
Did we notice that the formation was changed again at half-time? It probably needed to be but from the start it didn't look like we were step up to stop their counters today. Gray was picking up too many pockets of space from early on that we never dealt with.
I don't know if Rooney has licence to roam but when he does there is nothing close to Calvert-Lewin and one thing this season has taught us, surely, is that you need to get someone near him. Whether that's Rooney, Mirallas or Niasse take your pick. But it was amateur stuff.
Until Beni came on we were overrun in the middle. Then we had little from the wings when we played the diamond midfield. It was a bad showing to be fair.
227 Posted 29/10/2017 at 21:06:00
But let's give a winning U23 manager and Evertonian whom we all seem to agree (most) will come good...
A bit longer than six days to fix the issues you've pointed out.
229 Posted 29/10/2017 at 21:09:46
As for those turning their nose up at Allardyce, just remember 1. the financial cost of relegation, and would we ever get back up again and 2. football is full of rogues and villains anyway it never was a game for saints.
We need someone in soon, and Unsie is not the man, to give maximum time before the January window, when we will have to invest heavily (again), or accept relegation.
230 Posted 29/10/2017 at 21:10:07
We are in a relegation dogfight and the need to get to around 20 point mark at the half way stage will be critical. With our poor away form, we may pick up and point or two, but those three home games in November and December are already emerging as must-win games.
Forget any other competition, this early on, it's all about survival in this league sadly.
231 Posted 29/10/2017 at 21:15:05
Today was a case in point as we allowed the Foxes the freedom of the park ,gifting them two goals in the 1st half. Doing a lot better in the 2nd but battering our heads, as usual, against 'parked bus' defenders.
Where the next points or even goals are coming from is now anybody's guess as is a manager who can turn things around. But, as has been said by many TW posters, who would want the job except for the cash???? I notice Gueye got yet another booking.
232 Posted 29/10/2017 at 21:16:03
The 2nd goal was just bad luck.
The problem is that the midfield lacks penetration and Rooney needs to go deep down to pick up the ball. Then it is empty upfront. Rooney should play as a midfielder. Calvert-Lewin is good at running, but that's it. He is not the goalscrorer we need. I am pretty sure Sandro would do much better if he gets a serious chance.
Mirallas and Lennon are decent. With Rooney in midfield we have someone who can pass. If we then have Mirallas, Lennon, Sandro, Lookman, Niasse or Calvert-Lewin (pick whoever you want) upfront then we might score a goal or two.
You who are blaming the defence... they actually did a good job today.
And for you who blame Unsworth, he is not the problem here. There is just so much he can do with this team in a short period of time.
233 Posted 29/10/2017 at 21:16:24
Lookman, Vlasiç, Baningime and Niasse would have started in my eleven before any of them.
Oh and I'm not convinced by any of them either.
234 Posted 29/10/2017 at 21:17:32
We're already looking at other teams to do us a favour a quarter of the season in. Thomas Tuchel is the only real option but we'll end up with Allardyce or Moyes in which case, I'll proceed to top meself immediately.
235 Posted 29/10/2017 at 21:18:06
The whole thing was a joke. Why start Calvert-Lewin over Niasse who at least scores a goal or two. Calvert-Lewin is not Premier League quality, never will be.The midfield was a shambles. A match in a relegation battle is not the place to experiment and that's what Unsworth did.
I got called a cretin today on another thread for calling Gueye useless and saying it was madness to give him another contract over 5 years. He is slow now... what will he be like aged 34? Absolute joke decision to make for a below-average player. After today's display, am I still a cretin?
Some of our fanbase suffer from Kenwrighitis. Delusional dreamers that don't see the reality of our position. Fans calling for Anchelotti et al get a fucking grip. Do you seriously think he would come here with us in the bottom 3 an ageing squad and NO money to spend? We are in deep deep shit right now and as much as it hurts or goes against our joke motto, we should beg big Sam to come and put this right. The alternative is the trap door to oblivion.
Top and bottom of it is Unsworth proved today he is out of his depth. That silly line-up and pathetic display was as if Koeman had never left. Forget fancy names from the continent learning on the job as well. We need Red Adaire to put this fire out.
Sorry if Big Sam offends many of you but this is what Kenwright and Co have reduced the club to. It's a sorry mess that needs urgent attention.
236 Posted 29/10/2017 at 21:20:18
Someone is going to need to be given time. Do we bring in Big Sam and sack him after two defeats? Koeman, Walsh and the custodians of the club have dismantled the nucleus of a good team and wssembled a squad bereft of guile and more importantly backbone.
There are too many nice guys, soft guys and invisible guys. Wayne Rooney is the only player in the entire squad who seems hurt by losing.
237 Posted 29/10/2017 at 21:20:20
I've seen Man Utd and Spurs relegated, Everton don't have a right to be in the Premier League.
Imperative the club gets the right manager; otherwise, Kenwright having made his money will ride his rocking horse off into the sunset and Moshiri will be the new Tony Fernandes.
238 Posted 29/10/2017 at 21:21:58
As a striker... can we please try someone else than Calvert-Lewin?
239 Posted 29/10/2017 at 21:23:42
Keane is 24 and is settling into a new struggling side alongside players the wrong side of 30. As for Kenny, Calvert-Lewin and Davies, they are all still teenagers and much better than players in their positions from our most successful period at the same age.
240 Posted 29/10/2017 at 21:24:34
241 Posted 29/10/2017 at 21:25:30
If you can keep a clean sheet at least you are in with a chance, but when you leak goals all the time, you are chasing the game and we do not have the personnel for that.
A left-back, right-back, centre-half and two strikers, one of whom has to be a proven goalscorer, are the minimum requirements for survival.
242 Posted 29/10/2017 at 21:28:19
243 Posted 29/10/2017 at 21:29:07
I don't care how much money we have "supposedly" spent. From employing a manager who was clueless in keeping his team from relegation in Martinez, to an arrogant self-centered over-paid prat in Koeman, I just can't see us getting out of the shit he's put us in. It's a nightmare and an absolute joke!
244 Posted 29/10/2017 at 21:31:10
Without a proper striker on the team, we're royally screwed.
245 Posted 29/10/2017 at 21:31:19
We need to look within from the board to the coaches to the senior players; a new manager may help but the true answer lies within.
246 Posted 29/10/2017 at 21:32:46
I am alarmed. Firing Koeman, in the end, had to be done. However, as has been commented, it was never going to be the answer. Our senior players lack backbone and aren't capable of leading the youngsters out of the mire.
o all those who laid into Koeman feverishly querying where's Davies, Kenny, Calvert-Lewin, Mirallas... well they were all there today... No, I didn't spot the difference either. Shambles.
247 Posted 29/10/2017 at 21:33:57
Niasse might be all over the place but he's a genuine threat. Calvert-Lewin isn't much more than a poster boy at this point, I'm afraid.
248 Posted 29/10/2017 at 21:34:08
In the first half we offered nothing going forward. Mirallas tried to no avail, Calvert-Lewin try's but lacks the experience to lead the line with any menace. Rooney needs to stay on the bench.
I could not understand taking Mirallas and Lennon off other than to shore up the flanks. We then had most of the possession but had little idea what to do with it and it was pedestrian.
From this performance, I do not think Rhino is the person to take us forward and I really worry that if the right person isn't brought in quickly we are in a dogfight at the bottom and I don't think we could get out.
250 Posted 29/10/2017 at 21:36:12
Whatever happened inside Finch Farm with Koeman and The Klogg crew, time may tell... Unsy has copped a whopper of a stinking drain to to foster possibly even long term, but today is a reality check.
There's no goals in the team; ironic how the wheeler dealer Steve Walsh was back on his hallowed ground, and living on yesterday. The EFC vautede early spend has sadly been almost a fraud and the team selection tells a story.
I'm not convinced that he appears to be not accountable for what's happened but now and even more than 1998, I sense this squad could take us down.
Already a quarter of the season gone and by Chrimbo and New Year, half the season is gone, thereabouts.
I can't see any way how the goals will come but sadly our defence is “no effective defence” when it counts and on the pitch man management and awareness does always seem to slip. It's Keystone Kops and Blazing Saddles in terms of pathetic marking and repeated game-on-game mistakes.
God help us in the derby, I was thinking today that could be a turning point, but realistically, they're crap, but we are worse, and it hurts to say, they have more appetite and goals in their squad.
Time for a genuine football Salvage Man and save this season. I think the board also must consider carefully who takes control next, as Koeman's record outside of Holland was poor.
We've all said it but this is like some Bible Tale but we all know, anything in the post 1987 EFC, is possible and uncannily our darkest concerns do seem to happen, on a scale. Babel, but who comes next has a hell of a job, but even today no real threat up front and Schmeichel, had an easy day.
I'm sick to the back teeth of being disconsolate about EFC, and it does impact life and I feel for all Evertonians, as now it's agony, pain and angst, with no sign of stopping.
Unsy is bold and in fairness got a decent second half out the players and in time he may get a blend, but we don't have time. Thursday and next Sunday is massive.
No teams too good to go down, and now more than ever, our revered past and history is unique and to be savoured an respected, but now is reality. The biggest war chest ever and EFC has screwed it.
Whom is to blame? Koeman but not just Koeman... Open to all, but we need a win ASAP.
Time to pray as, on current form, we need a miracle. I hope Joe, the squad of 1995 FA Cup Winning team are brought in to try and kindle some spirit and belief. There's no type of the right nark and spirit to take the a game by the scruff of the neck and win it. Now we need a Salvage Manager, to keep us up. I hope fate turns well and a Unsy gets grace, but for me the next two games will decide his tenure, but at least I hope he can carry on his great work with U23s.
251 Posted 29/10/2017 at 21:37:12
252 Posted 29/10/2017 at 21:37:24
This club is synonymous with great Number 9s yet here we are having spent £150 million and we haven't got 1.
If they had been doing their jobs are first signings would have been 2 strikers not 1 as some have suggested. During the summer we let go 3 strikers Lukaku,Valencia and Kone and should have replaced them which we didn't.
None of this is Unsworth's fault, so what choice has he got, at least in the second half they dominated play but with no strikers it makes the job almost impossible. I hear people suggesting different managers to come in, believe me none will make any difference till the Jan window. So Unsworth is left with enthusiastic youngsters who never threw in the towel and tried till the final whistle. So I see no mileage in appointing a manager who will take weeks to get to know his best team, and no doubt go back to the seasoned players that have got us into this mess.
So get behind Unsworth and publicly state he has the job till Xmas and let him get on with the job. Yes, maybe he did go a bit gung ho at the start but wasn't every man and his dog asking for 2 wingers to play with width and pace, and that's what he started. So for all those that asked for this don't criticize the man for doing what most were crying out for.
So let's just accept that until the January window we have what we have, which is some young talented players making their way in the game and some who are just not good enough to wear the shirt.
But I repeat none of this is Unsworth's fault, so give him a chance.
253 Posted 29/10/2017 at 21:40:55
To me it is ludricous to claim that Unsworth is not the right man after 6 days. Maybe his team selection today was not the best but they at least showed some fight which is more than can be said for a Koeman team.
It may well end up that Unsworth is not the answer but he needs time to prove himself. Personally I think he will do ok if given a sufficient run. My reason being that he truly cares, he is a good man manager and I believe a good coach (as demonstrated with the U23s). I actually think for those reasons he is less of a risk than most.
Unsworth is one of us, ffs lets stop the back stabbing and start supporting him. You never know he might just turn things around.
254 Posted 29/10/2017 at 21:41:15
If Unsworth thinks Lennon is a better player that Vlasic or Lookman, then we are seriously fucked, lad. That starting 11 was pathetic. The bench looked stronger than what we put out there. It was Unsworth who picked that side no-one else.
255 Posted 29/10/2017 at 21:44:57
The majority of this team don't even look arsed when they take the field. They only seem to have a go when the game's as good as finished. They are a fucking disgrace to our great club The majority want fucking off ASAP. Baines, Jagielka, Williams, Lennon, McCarthy, Mirallas are finished as far as I'm concerned & Niasse is not far behind. Get rid and start again.
It's gonna take an almighty effort to keep this bunch of dead heads in the Premier League on our showings this season. I thought we might struggle without Lukaku's goals... but I didn't think we would be this bad.
What a joke we have become; £150 million down the fucking toilet.
256 Posted 29/10/2017 at 21:48:02
I'm glad Unsworth didn't lower himself to acknowledge the loud-mouthed, no mark, impotent, insignificant little wank stain.
He can write a hard nosed critique of England footballers lacking passion, but he wasn't picked because he wasn't good enough and is a liability. He can knock professional managers, but he'll never succeed as one himself because all he can do is do the same as he's always done, screw up and rant about other people rather than sorting himself out.
257 Posted 29/10/2017 at 21:48:34
Rooney has the experience and ability for this role, with Calvert-Lewin on the right. He is better in that role and then subbed with Niasse. He is not fit for a full game. If he wants to come deep, he should be taken off, because he is too slow and gets caught in possession.
258 Posted 29/10/2017 at 21:49:02
259 Posted 29/10/2017 at 21:50:23
The club should do the decent thing by Unsworth and not saddle him with this situation in his first managerial role. The board's failings in the transfer window ought not to fall in his shoulders - as much as Elstone will try.
Calvert-Lewin and Niasse are well short. We knew that before the window closed.
260 Posted 29/10/2017 at 21:52:11
1. Lack of creativity in the midfield.
2. Ineffective strikers.
How can we solve this? Maybe the best thing is to make the midfield more creative. I think putting Rooney in the midfield will solve this problem. Then we have a creative player who can pass the ball in the middle. That will make it easier to be both a striker and a winger.
Getting Barkley back will also be another solution. You can say what you want about Barkley but he is miles ahead of every other midfielder in Everton at the moment. He is in a totally different league.
Gueye will never be a creative man in the midfield. Davis has potential but seem struggle right now. Schneiderlin is definitely not the problem to solve the midfield creativity problem. Unfortunately Sigurdsson is not the man either. Sigurdsson was unfortunately a totally meaningless buy. He needs to play together with a target man, a la Llorente, or else he is unfortunately not very useful.
About the strikers. I think it will be easier to be a striker with Rooney in the midfield. Calvert-Lewin is not the solution to the striker problem. I would prefer giving Sandro a run of at least 4-5 games. He scored 15 goals last season for a relegation team in Spain. He scored against Barcelona. He must have some football in him. I do not buy he is not Premier League quality. Put him in the right setup and he will score again.
Also I would like to see Lookman more at the pitch. He is not a very solid man defensive wise... but so use him upfront. He has got speed and technique. Mirallas also needs to play more. Maybe we could try Mirallas as a striker. Vlasic also has potential and should be used on the pitch.
261 Posted 29/10/2017 at 21:54:04
I like both Lookman and Vlasic but havent both played this season and I don't think we have won a game with either playing. As for the bench, Sigurdsson has showed zero blank and I said before we signed him for silly money, Pochettino was spot on getting shut of him. Tell me who on the bench has showed that he has made a difference when playing?
I said, when we rightly sacked Koeman, at best this is a group of journeymen players who would get nowhere near a top 6 side. And let's remember the players signed were supposed to take us into the top 6. So I repeat, I don't blame Unsworth he has absolutely nothing to work with. Even Guardiola would struggle with this group of players.
262 Posted 29/10/2017 at 21:54:54
That said, our transfer dealings, with a couple of exceptions, have been a disaster. We are just very ordinary in every position, there's no two ways about it. Koeman along with Walsh have a lot to answer for, add Kenwright to those two as well, we are right in the doo-doo.
David as manager, with this lot of players, has not a cat in hell's chance of being a big success. I said a few days ago get Sam Allardyce in, the situation is right up his street. We need someone who knows the Premier League inside out and can grind results out.
Forget brilliance it ain't going to happen.
263 Posted 29/10/2017 at 21:55:59
264 Posted 29/10/2017 at 21:56:04
My God, even by your standards this is astonishing. He has been coach for less than a week. Less than a fucking week and you are on his back.
Who do you want as manager and how long are you prepared to give them before you start ranting?
265 Posted 29/10/2017 at 21:56:53
Project Koeman hasn't worked. There are plenty of good players at our club. If Koeman had his time again he would surely reflect on his monumental mistake of not sorting out the defence first.
This is what needs to happen. It's not a time for wholesale slagging of our players and panic appointments. All rather swell to see Joe Royle offering his advice today but this tells us all that Bill is still pulling the strings here. That's not a reason to rant and rave it's just a fact.
We need to appoint someone as cool as Unsworth was today because he was cool but is he the man ? Those calling for Silva need to do their homework first. Lets not panic. Lots of the season left. Bill, Farhad think long and hard. Don't panic like this thread is doing and don't dismiss a manager just because he used to manage Liverpool or anyone else.
It's the future we need to look at not the past. If Benitez is the man get him. If it's Big Sam get him. If it's Billy Cappucino get him but do your homework and forget project Koeman, it was a disaster but we have some semblance of a squad.
Get in the striker and then rebuild us from the back first. Pickford's a fine goalie, just start pruning the defence, slowly but surely. We'll be okay, we are Everton
267 Posted 29/10/2017 at 21:58:25
I'm in agreement. I wouldn't have Lennon in the team. Vlasic has played in that position and looked one of our best players. Lennon looks very rusty and was gave a nondescript performance apart from two runs into the box.
I'd also have Lookman over Mirallas but can understand why Unsworth would opt for Kevin.
I wanted a 4-4-1-1 which is more or less what we got in the first half. I'd stick with that again at Lyon but would go for.
Kenny Holgate Jagielka Baines
Vlasic Beningime Gana Lookman
I think Vlasic will give Kenny more protection than Lennon. I'd pair Beni with Gana because he offers more protection to the back four than Davies in this formation.
268 Posted 29/10/2017 at 21:59:56
But they acted decisively and he's in the seat. Not for one second do I think Koeman could have got anything out of those fixtures so I'm not going to judge Unsworth on his results until Watford come to Goodison.
That said, I think he's got a response from the limited set of players at his disposal. Also, you might not agree with his tactics and selections but at least they make some sense.
Some of the comments on here are very harsh on him. As Jamie said, he's had 6 days!
269 Posted 29/10/2017 at 22:03:03
270 Posted 29/10/2017 at 22:04:28
Give Unsy the next two games as I imagine the search for the next manager has already begun.
271 Posted 29/10/2017 at 22:05:14
272 Posted 29/10/2017 at 22:14:35
273 Posted 29/10/2017 at 22:17:57
274 Posted 29/10/2017 at 22:19:19
He is still the root cause of this shitstorm.
275 Posted 29/10/2017 at 22:21:33
The only good news is that we have time for a radical change and to spend on some pace and some proper men footballers in January. Unfortunately we need pragmatic, big and nasty types. Shawcross, Deeney types aren't school of science but they are what we need to survive this perfect storm of relegation.
Oh, and Baines is a major problem, he's the elephant in the room, he's a massive liability and completely finished at this level.
276 Posted 29/10/2017 at 22:22:20
277 Posted 29/10/2017 at 22:24:21
a) Unsworth has been in the job less than a week and he took over a seriously under-performing team, so don't expect miracles.
b) This is the same group of players Lukaku & Barkley apart that finished 7th last season, big losses admittedly but there's a stat out there that take away Lukaku's goals we still would've finished 7th!
Somebody is going to have to solve the mystery of what's happened to a reasonable to decent side; don't forget it was only in March this year that we were outside an chance for a Champions League spot (thank God that didn't happen).
But Chelsea & Leicester apart, I've never seen a team fall off the cliff like this, but I'm optimistic enough to think that we've got some decent players, but the long-term injured and the transfer window can't come quick enough.
278 Posted 29/10/2017 at 22:25:04
I could never understand the 49.9% thingy but now I can. It was Koeman's way of staying in control while stuffing his pockets with loads of dough. The crafty old sod.
279 Posted 29/10/2017 at 22:25:08
Unsworth is not the answer; another yes-man to Kenwright. £140 million spent on fucking shite... Well done, Cowboy Bill and your knobhead side kicks, to fuck a club like you have is special... real special.
280 Posted 29/10/2017 at 22:28:50
Baines and Rooney have to go from the starting 11. If that means Martina and Sigurdsson start, so be it. If it's not clear that Kenny is a better defender than Holgate and it's not to me Holgate is the first choice.
We have to play three strong midfielders every week three of Davies, Gueye, Schneiderlin, McCarthy, Baningime. We have to play Calvert-Lewin and Niasse up front, to give us a chance of scoring. And we have to pray that Barkley, Coleman and McCarthy get fit and stay fit.
281 Posted 29/10/2017 at 22:30:07
Benteke anyone? Might give Gylfi something to aim at. If we can pose a threat up the other end, it might stop the defence soiling themselves because they know one slip-up will cost us the game.
283 Posted 29/10/2017 at 22:32:22
Is Dyche good enough?... Choice of two for me: Benitez or Big Sam, one for no fee and the other for a fee and tainted by the other side. Not popular on this forum, but the head says Big Sam because we are in a mess!
284 Posted 29/10/2017 at 22:33:30
That may, ultimately prove to be the case, but let's at least give him a few weeks to see what he can do.
What is now obvious is that the summer recruitment drive was farcical.
The left sided defender was clearly a huge omission - but, not so long back Galloway played there and acquitted himself very well.
So why did Koeman lend him to Sunderland, where in recent weeks, he can't even make the bench?
Why wasn't Garbutt named in the 23 man EPL squad?
Both these things could have ben addressed by our former manager when he knew we weren't going to sign the left sided defender he wanted - so why weren't they?
Regrettably, Unsworth has now inherited a dysfunctional back four and is having to do the best he can with those resources.
Let's give him a couple more weeks on the training pitch to see if he can mould some semblance of a team out of the mismatched and unbalanced squad he has been left.
But, at least, give him more than a week.
285 Posted 29/10/2017 at 22:33:54
I fear that it could be endemic and that the whole club has a loosing mentality and are destined for relegation, maybe it's written in the stars.
Sad days indeed.
286 Posted 29/10/2017 at 22:35:55
2015-16 Aston Villa worst team in the Premier League... relegated.
2016-17 Sunderland worst team in the Premier League... relegated.
2017-18 Everton worst team in the Premier League...
287 Posted 29/10/2017 at 22:38:16
That said, it ain't Unsworth's fault. Our players don't give a shit or, if they do, it's even more worrying.
Assuming Moshiri wants to spend in January we really need a manager by next weekend. He deserves two months to closely assess what's required to survive in the League and then sign what's needed to improve, including a left back, centre-back and centre-forward as some bugger I can't recall recently said.
Unsworth is unlikely to tolerate being sent back to the woefully ineffectual U23 league (I say this because hardly any club in the league finds top players from their own "academies" and we're no different. Rooney is the only one I can remember in Premier League years) so he'll be on his bike I expect, and good luck to him.
My worst fear, beyond even relegation, is that Moshiri will just cut his losses and bugger off to return to summat he's good at, leaving us all to grow an even stronger bond with "our Bill - serial loser" by having a quiet weep reminiscing about the Cannonball Kid and whoever else caused him to get a totally unexpected hard-on in The Pen.
What a Chairman!
288 Posted 29/10/2017 at 22:39:00
289 Posted 29/10/2017 at 22:42:41
Fundamental failings at Board level are at the root of our club's problems. As supporters, we should be pushing Moshiri to make changes, to conduct a wholesale review and to be transparent with the findings and recommendations.
290 Posted 29/10/2017 at 22:45:08
You can add the loss of Coleman, Bolasie and Valencia to Lukaku and Barkley. That and the fact that some clown thought it was a good idea to bring in three players that occupy the same area of the pitch as a means of spreading the goals around while neglecting to prioritise a new number nine and some credible back up.
Expecting a 20-year-old to seamlessly slot into the void left by Lukaku, aided by the contributions of an enthusiastic and willing but utterly woeful Niasse is just plain crazy.
291 Posted 29/10/2017 at 22:45:30
Nervous, which was a good thing because, where Everton are concerned, I've been numb for some time.
A touch disappointed Unsworth brought back Gana. His positives are only accentuated when we are on the back foot. Otherwise, I think we get exposed by him going forward.
Hey ho. The goals were gift-wrapped by ourselves. After which I thought Leicester knew we didn't have 2 goals in us, so sat back.
We played in their half and won the ball back but with little composure stemming from what the obvious lack quality did for us.
Now I will say, even after two games, I can see how Unsworth wants us to play. That's more in a week than I saw with Mr. Koeman.
The execution was poor and we had nothing of note on target. To
292 Posted 29/10/2017 at 22:48:30
I share your concern that, if the team doesn't manage to avoid relegation, then Moshiri may take his money elsewhere or give up on the game completely and Everton FC will have to suffer another decade in the wilderness in an antiquated stadium under the stewardship of our current Chairman Halloween is not half as frightening as that scenario.
293 Posted 29/10/2017 at 22:49:14
Given it's the World Cup next year, would it not be an idea to get Shaw in on loan in January till the end of the season?
294 Posted 29/10/2017 at 22:50:36
I don't know anything for sure, but football's a simple game and today at half-time, we were 2-0 down and needed to change something to attempt to make something happen.
We needed to throw the dice and our best chance would have almost certainly been to have given a half to a confident, tricky, skilful player who could beat a man.
Someone with the ability to put a defender behind him.
Someone who could actually frighten a big, strong, well-organised defence by doing something that might scare them - by running at them.
So when I saw Sigurdsson started to get stripped, it was a case of "you must be FUCKING joking!" (and wondering if one could open a vein with a wet beermat).
At full-time I thought, If Unsworth is the answer, what specifically is the question?
We were, once again, outworked, out-muscled and outthought.
We actually looked (here's word you don't see much these days) puny - shoved easily aside, physically not up to it.
That's NOT to say players aren't trying, I believe they are, but I can't remember any side we've out-muscled for a long long time and we looked like boys V men today.
"Yeah but we don't want a side of fuckin' big horrible grocks"
True, but to compete in this league, you need a few and we have none.
(Morgan and Huth aren't Pelé and Garrincha but I wish we'd had them in our back line for the last few years).
Given our present squad, between now and new year, I'd take any manager who has a pair of bollocks and can use a bit of psychology to convince the team to attack sides in numbers, relax a little and get a bit..'more' from them.
Not saying Joe Royle but he had that about him.
Anyway, better go and pack for Lyon.
295 Posted 29/10/2017 at 22:52:24
We were crying out for investment and when we got it, what happened? Some bell-ends made a royal cock-up and wasted it.
296 Posted 29/10/2017 at 22:54:26
297 Posted 29/10/2017 at 23:00:34
Straight away today he's had to revert to type because the quality simply isn't there.
298 Posted 29/10/2017 at 23:00:54
That uncertainty is translating to the playing side, compounded by virtue of taking on board a director of football with head coach structure, which has been a disaster that will cost us our top flight status.
299 Posted 29/10/2017 at 23:02:59
You're not the only one that thinks Baines is finished, noticed it at the Man Utd game and said it on here. His legs have gone, once he goes forward he can't get back like he used to.
For the first goal, Jonjoe Kenny ended up at left back covering for Baines.
I love Bainesy, but it's "Come in, No 3, your time is up."
300 Posted 29/10/2017 at 23:06:07
We haven't made one marquee signing since his arrival, just paid over the odds for very ordinary players, paid for out of the money brought in through selling superior players to teams we laughably claim to be trying to 'close the gap' on.
301 Posted 29/10/2017 at 23:06:35
How the fuck can you spend £70m on two players that you can't fit into the side. A complete monumental fuck up!
302 Posted 29/10/2017 at 23:10:04
Okay, we know we need a target man but we are improving. Unsy has had less than a week to work out what his best team is. Nobody on here can agree what that is and he is not only massively hampered by the lack of striker, the long term injuries and the recent ones McCarthy, Vlasic and Keane. Patience
303 Posted 29/10/2017 at 23:11:20
I'll reserve judgement for a bit, though make no mistake he or whoever comes in has been left a virulently poisoned chalice.
Thanks again, Ronald!
304 Posted 29/10/2017 at 23:13:27
As it turns out, they haven't. I just think that it was a big opportunity and we blew it. Now it's a long pissing road back.
305 Posted 29/10/2017 at 23:13:40
Good bloke - probably.
Evertonian - kind of.
Good coach for u23s - apparently.
What he doesn't have is first team managerial experience and that is huge. I want him to do well, but the odds of him doing well in this situation were never good, and are probably worse now than they were a week ago.
I am not sad Koeman was sacked. What I am sad about is now Everton have become a club who sack their manager mid-season without a viable option to take over. For me, that kind of club management is for the elite 4/6 clubs who think they should be winning the title when they find themselves sitting 3rd, and the bottom handful of clubs who prepare for a relegation fight from day one.
Give Rhino til Christmas? If we are in the bottom three at Christmas it may be too late for anyone to rescue us.
My preferred candidate in a fantasy world: Benetiz.
306 Posted 29/10/2017 at 23:14:01
I don't think the comparison to Fernandez is accurate. Moshiri has sold off our most talented and coveted assets in Stones and Lukaku. And don't forget he also had agreed to sell Barkley before the player refused the move. Fernandez didn't sell off all their talent and then spend. He spent a load of money, just not well. In that case I totally agree with your comparison, not spending the money well.
Moshiri has sold our coveted players and replaced them with players of lesser quality. I am so sick of the media talking about our £150 million spending spree while ignoring the players we have sold and tried to sell. This really is a monumental screw up. But I get the feeling a lot of Evertonians don't quite see the seriousness of the situation.
307 Posted 29/10/2017 at 23:14:09
For me the big mistake was to remove Mirallas. I think he is the one player who could play as a mobile Number 9.
He is greedy, but he has pace and is always looking to get a shot away. By all means put on a second striker but it was a mistake to withdraw him. Despite our possession in the second half, we didn't look like scoring.
As Rooney was beginning to control the play, Unsworth hooked him, much to his dismay just like on Wednesday night, when he was really pulling the strings. Unsworth is under a lot of scrutiny and is perhaps making rather rash decisions. We are looking desperate and need some cool heads.
Oh for Barry to have a little word with Davies, who is losing the plot, running around like a headless chicken, playing over-/under-hit passes, at the wrong times, to the wrong recipients!
It's looking like a big job to put this team right.
308 Posted 29/10/2017 at 23:21:15
To his credit, Unsworth tried all those things today. By all accounts, Keane was injured so he had little option but to play Williams. Vlasic I hear is also injured. He probably went for Lennon over Lookman as Lennon tends to offer more defensively.
Granted, today might not have been the day to play with two wingers with the pace Leicester have through the middle. The second goal today was down to an individual error.
Unsworth made the right substitutions at half-time. I thought he might have brought Sigurdsson on sooner, but sadly when he did come on, he played just as badly as he has since he joined us and offered nothing.
It's going to take much longer than a week to sort out this mess and I thing Unsworth deserves at least the three home games against Watford, West Ham and Huddersfield to see what he can do.
309 Posted 29/10/2017 at 23:22:17
A rousing gee up, some fist pumping , some all get in a circle an win it for the gipper, Oorah-ing is not going to cut this.
Unsworth, Dyche or Tuchel, all or any, have their work cut out, this is a long job - with no absolute guarantee. Too many of the players are so seriously off the pace as to be laughable. It's hard to tell how fit they are compared to other teams because they are a good yard mentally slow and always playing catch up.
Many examples struck me in the first half, Rooney and Baines to mention but 2...But yeah they're ( and others ) are finished is the cry, so what do you expect. - I don't think they are, they're not the force they were 3 or 4 yrs ago true, but it seems they've all been afflicted by this mental thing.
More worrying is the surprise package of those I mentioned above - Tom Davies. 10 months ago (when Koeman should've gone) he was a revelation. He's lost that mental snap and sharpness that you can see Beningime has at the moment.
Davies has lost it in 10 months, he won't get it back in 10 mins. Solve that and apply it through the team and you will be on the way...but whoever gets the job, don't expect quick results.
311 Posted 29/10/2017 at 23:26:48
312 Posted 29/10/2017 at 23:28:36
313 Posted 29/10/2017 at 23:33:43
314 Posted 29/10/2017 at 23:34:41
Had we managed to complete the sales of other players on deadline day, the spending would have totalled zero. We owe more to Ross Barkley for failing to agree to a move than our billlionare benefactor where ending the window with a positive net spend is concerned.
This, allied to Koeman, Walsh, the toffee girl, or whoever, wasting the money on over-priced garbage has left us in a right state.
315 Posted 29/10/2017 at 23:35:06
That means 4 points from the last 8 games. Plus 1 point from 9 in Europe. And out of the League Cup.
This is genuine relegation form and it could be all over by Christmas. We are every bit as bad as Villa, Newcastle and Sunderland from the last couple of seasons.
Unsy in my opinion got the formation right today playing wingers but chose the wrong ones. Just too many players who look finished and too many kids who don't look good enough.
So many problems even ToffeeWebbers are at a loss how to fix it. We can't score. We can't stop conceding. No pace at either end of the pitch. Calvert-Lewin was really poor today.
It's depressing stuff at the moment; not sure where we go from here...
316 Posted 29/10/2017 at 23:38:05
317 Posted 29/10/2017 at 23:38:44
I fully agree with your call to play Mirallas up front. He is always looking to score, he's got a bit of pace and quality. I think it could be worth exploring, as Calvert-Lewin needs taking out of the firing line, in my opinion. We need more goals, and he is certainly a threat.
318 Posted 29/10/2017 at 23:40:06
319 Posted 29/10/2017 at 23:40:22
We can do neither, in fact the nervous anxiety we display in attack and defence is crippling the club, we only have one more card to play before we are certain to face the drop. Unsworth is a good youth coach but does not have the right kind of experience.
Therefore the owner's must appoint an experienced manager and hope he can steer us in the right direction, until the January window. We can then finally buy a decent striker or two, that could be our only salvation, otherwise all will be lost and who knows for how long, without the sky revenue.
Right now I have very little faith that Kenwright and Moshiri will come up with the right answers, I just pray they do.
320 Posted 29/10/2017 at 23:41:26
321 Posted 29/10/2017 at 23:43:03
The problem is the likes of Baines, Mirallas, Lennon, Jags are all treading water... doing in truth, fuck all, just turning up taking the money. Journeymen.
We need a centre back, a left back and a top striker urgently or we are bang in trouble come the New Year.
Once again, good luck, David. Oh, don't forget Rooney starts next game, like.
322 Posted 29/10/2017 at 23:44:35
323 Posted 29/10/2017 at 23:46:23
Six weeks ago, I could in no way be persuaded that I would endorse my next utterance: I would take Sam Allardyce on a short-term, one season, large reward contract. I feel soiled and degraded for having such sentiments.
I've watched Everton teams from Catterick's remnants past Bingham, Lee, Kendall, Walker, Smith and all since. My sons and I have invested huge amounts of time, money and especially emotion following the team far and wide. What I state now is my sincerest belief without any hint of drama or exaggeration.
I fear for the prospect of our top league status. Someone may think "Wimbledon". I don't think this squad will make it to the last day to have a hope of heroics. The Premier League now is absolutely brutal. We are the injured gazelle on the Serengeti. Our back line is appallingly fragile. Our front line is appallingly blunt.
We must have one of the smallest teams, height wise, in the Premier League. Still, all our corners keep being banged in high. Not one iota of "let's be cute" and sort some routines out.
Today, we went head to head. We put our Mirallas, Lennon and Calvert-Lewin up against their two wide men and central figure, Gray, Mahrez and Vardy. It was a complete lesson in smash out, counter-attacking fluidity.
Every time we had a corner, they had their three flyers on the edge of their box ready to explode. We would go from hope to despair in less than 10 seconds. They wanted us deep in their half.
The thought of an Allardyce has been anathema to me but I'm now so fearful after today's performance that I believe maintenance is our first priority. This is a seminal point in our recent and mid-term future. We shall keep supporting and I hope in earnest that those that make the decisions act with prudent and wise council.
324 Posted 29/10/2017 at 23:46:46
325 Posted 29/10/2017 at 23:51:24
326 Posted 29/10/2017 at 23:57:21
327 Posted 29/10/2017 at 23:59:24
"Good bloke" - nobody calls for a manager just because he's a good bloke.
"Evertonian - kind of" - very much, not kind of. But that means sod all to me.
"good coach for U23s - apparently" - not apparently but proven (remind us what that competition was he won last year?).
I don't know if he's the answer but 2 games in doesn't tell us.
328 Posted 29/10/2017 at 00:02:26
I completely agree but what is Big Sam going to do with that lot?
I don't think this lot can be asked to grind it out. It's just not in the squad.
The only way, in my opinion, is to play our way out of trouble. And it's going to be a white knuckle ride!
We need to find a way to score goals. And there's not much in this squad that is proven.
We know Sig, Rooney and Mirallas can score in the Premier League... how do we get them firing? For me, Unsworth isn't far off the plan. Rooney and Siggy are interchangeable but not complimentary.
I think Mirallas is undroppable with the squad that we have. That's saying more about the squad than it is about Mirallas.
329 Posted 29/10/2017 at 00:02:39
I can't recall.
330 Posted 29/10/2017 at 00:06:48
That's true. I wasn't looking at outgoings, I was looking at it purely from the point of wasting a huge amount of money on overpriced players who don't look fit to task.
Unsworth has two more games for me. I can empathise with the predicament of only having 3 training sessions but footballs a results business and if we don't get anything out of those games we need to bring in a manager in the international break who has a proven record at organising a team. That points to Sean Dyche which I'm not against. We could do the unthinkable and bring in Big Sam or Moyes until the end of the season and then look for a manager who will play a more expansive game next season.
I am seriously worried cos the idea of Big Sam or Davie Moyes would at any other time make my stomach turn, but it is what it is. Those two are available and might be the best choice in the short term. We're in a relegation battle and it pains me to say it cos I think of myself as a "glass half-full" contributor on TW.
331 Posted 29/10/2017 at 00:09:12
For the first time in years, the four of us that have been going the aways together, have been arguing with each other about how bad things are. That's how bad it's got.
I try and take any positives I can from week to week, but unfortunately there are none. The defence must dread going into games, thinking they need to keep a clean sheet just to draw a game. I seriously think that, come January, we could be doomed because never mind thinking where is the next win coming from, where is the next goal coming from?
Anyone on here who knows me (there are one or two) will know I am a "glass half-full" person, but that glass is rapidly leaking. As much as I think in time Unsworth will be a great manager, I don't think he is the man to save us.
We need to get someone ruthless in. If that person is Allardyce, so be it. We need to get to January on at least 20 points and hope we can get someone who can score goals.
332 Posted 29/10/2017 at 00:10:01
I've seen some poor Everton teams over the years but they have always had some way of entertaining us. Not this lot I'm afraid.
333 Posted 29/10/2017 at 00:12:03
Apart from a late rally at Spurs in the late seventies, I cannot recall us saving ourselves when two down with less than 20 mins to go. We did stay to see us save a point at Hull a few years back.
To me, it's like watching a family member being beat up. I don't want to witness the coup de grace if I don't have to. Each to their own though, Brent.
There was quite a few following the same procedure as us. Makes us feel like masochists, however long we stay. Still, some of us have a plastic bag as a reminder of our folly.
Ernie, fully agree regarding Mirallas. The lad will try his luck and doesn't hide. I was disappointed he was hooked.
334 Posted 30/10/2017 at 00:20:08
We cannot waste any time on what I would call a very risky "experiment " on a manager who obviously has his heart in the right place, but has no experience of management at a senior level. We need somebody in now!
Please, none of this "Give him time." Time has run out!!!
335 Posted 30/10/2017 at 00:22:17
Jason "Watch the match again and tell us what you would want to stay in the ground for".
Jason, I don't need to watch the match again, it wasn't what I'd seen that made me stay to the end, it was (a) the possibility of a goal and (b) wanting to support the team no matter.
336 Posted 29/10/2017 at 00:32:56
We have too many players with abject personalities In terms of being winners. Only Rooney has such a personality but he's really fucked in terms of the stamina needed to let his personality be visible on the pitch. He's spent, hence United got rid. Only clubs in China or Guatemala or wherever showed interest in signing him, except us. Yes he's scored goals and yes he's always had raw talent to a very high degree but without the stamina he's an also-ran increasingly getting in the way of younger potentially good team-mates. He's like Eto'o was for us, a very faded memory of greatness, but for someone else.
Moshiri needs to look at himself. If he really trusted Kenwright to get it right he's a plonker. Not only does he need a new manager NOW, in preparation for January and possible survival thereafter (and not least for his money), he needs to look at the hordes of conspicuously unsuccessful ex-players currently infesting the coaching roles at Everton, all of whom will swear they truly "get Everton" (relegated that is), as do way too many teary-eyed TW'ers a far as I'm concerned, and then get rid of them to appoint people with the acumen to succeed. Ferguson, Ebbrell, Jeffers, Unsworth? For fuck's sake, losers to a one (and the success of the fabled U23 team is hokum of the highest order in relation to improving the squad NOW, which is what we need). Sheedy, a winner, leaving is significant. Royle, another winner, sitting in a position devoid of influence is similar.
Find and pay for a winning manager Farhad, unless you don't care about money.
337 Posted 30/10/2017 at 00:33:04
I'm not saying Unsworth isn't a good U23s coach or not I don't know enough about the set-up but unless we see some of those U23s come through and make a name for themselves (Davies was close but seems to have gone backwards) then, for me, that U23s coach is missing something.
Time will tell, of course, and if the man is in fact a very good U23s coach, then leave him there where he is doing well.
338 Posted 30/10/2017 at 00:33:36
By the way, there were four of us that went the match, and three left after 70 minutes. As Brent says, I also stayed to the end to support the team no matter what. As bad as it was, it only needed us to score and you never know what would have happened?
339 Posted 30/10/2017 at 00:39:36
Today we drove instead of taking the coach. Back up the hill to Welford Road car park and out of Dodge.
Avoiding the hordes and the gloating masses comes into play too. There's always variables to our decisions but no hope is usually the pertinent factor.
Can't really mitigate ourselves too much, this has been our MO for many, many seasons.
340 Posted 30/10/2017 at 00:40:46
This is the failing of the board, if they haven't made their decision yet. Unsworth could come good, win the next few matches, get the job and then never win another match.
For god's sake, Everton, yes tot up all the pros and cons but make a bloody decision and then live with it. Big Sam holds a strong hand as he knows how to get out of relegation scraps, maybe he's the best option. Waiting won't make the decision any easier or the right decision any clearer.
341 Posted 30/10/2017 at 00:40:46
The pub shuts earlier on a Sunday and the more anaesthetic you can supp after watching that, the better. Let's hope Watford at Goodison will be better. We will get nothing at Lyon.
342 Posted 30/10/2017 at 00:59:03
343 Posted 30/10/2017 at 01:08:03
344 Posted 30/10/2017 at 01:19:56
Lousy recruitment in pre-season left us with 3 old, slowing players at the back, in Williams, Baines and Jagielka.
Sorry Unsy! I know you've only just taken over from the guilty party in that but I cannot understand how you could pick 3 slowing players against Leicester, when it is as clear as daylight that they have excellent speed of transition and fast attacking players.
Why didn't you use some of the younger guys? Surely it would have offered a better chance to win the points albeit with some [inexperience] risk involved?
345 Posted 30/10/2017 at 01:24:58
Sacked by Derby and now bottom 6 with Swansea. Yea that's just what we need!!!!!
347 Posted 30/10/2017 at 01:55:29
You're all delusional! He created two clear-cut chances today, played the pass that should have led to a penalty and was by far our greatest chance to create something. He's scoring at a rate that will get him 15 goals this season and he is by far our most experienced player.
Okay, so he is past his best, his touch and reaction speed isn't what it used to be, and if we want to be a top side then he probably isn't good enough but right now he is by far our biggest and frankly, only goal threat and you want to drop him? For who?
Calvert-Lewin, who for me is nowhere near the level required right now or maybe ever. I personally don't rate him at all but I would love to be proved wrong.
Niasse, the next Denis Stracqualursi. Great effort and application but is an awful footballer.
Sigurdsson? Klaassen? Sandro?
I remember Matt Le Tissier telling a great story about Alan Ball recently. When Bally was appointed as Soton manager, they were in the bottom 3 and he hadn't been playing well. Bally walked in and told the team that if they wanted to stay up he was the man who would do it for them. He was the one capable of magic. Anytime they got the ball they were to look for him. Le Tiss went on to score 44 goals in 66 games under Bally.
Wayne is our Matt Le Tissierat the moment... Wayne Rooney HAS to be in this team!
348 Posted 30/10/2017 at 01:58:49
Often adding 2/3 youth products can enhance the team greatly. It relies on the rest of the team operating at a decent level. At the moment, too many are in the side.
Obviously the situation is extremely difficult and he's been dealt a shitty hand; full marks for trying something.
Perversely every game that goes by without a win strengthens his hand. Each defeat makes an outside appointment less likely as managers steer clear of our car crash.
I feel Kenwright would always favour an Evertonian over a firefighter.
349 Posted 30/10/2017 at 02:20:47
Also, I really, really hope I'm just overreacting / misreading things, but there seems to be just a hint of spite/arrogance about Unsworth's approach - as if his master plan was to freeze out Koeman's big signings and show what he could do with his kids and the club's old guard. Well we saw how well that worked out today.
I'm sorry, but like it or not, the season hinges right now on players like Sigurdsson, Schneiderlin, Klaassen, Sandro and Keane finding their form.
Sigurdsson was sublime the past three seasons for Swansea and just led Iceland to the World Cup. Schneiderlin has been a very good player his entire career and was a very good player for us last year. Klaassen was captaining one of Europe's biggest clubs at age 22 and, say what you will about the Eredivisie, but he still got Ajax to the Europa League Final. Sandro scored 16 goals in La Liga and is considered a major talent. Keane is one of the most highly rated young centre-backs in England for a reason.
Yes, Sigurdsson's off to a painfully slow start (in no small-part due to how ill-used he's been). Schneiderlin's form has gone off a cliff, for whatever reason. Klaassen and Sandro have had a torrid time adjusting to the Premier League (though I think Sandro in particular has been yo-yo'd all over the place in terms of playing time and tactics, so what do you expect?), while Keane's confidence has taken a major pounding.
Well guess what? Part of the manager's job is finding a way to get these guys on track. Dropping them accomplishes nothing if you're simply turning to mediocrity in their stead. This team may be going nowhere either way, but it's DEFINITELY going nowhere if Mirallas and Lennon are starting games, or if Niasse is asked to do anything more than go out there and play bumper cars for the last 10-15 minutes.
350 Posted 30/10/2017 at 02:33:05
Give him next 10 games and the target should be 5 wins, which should put us good position to escape the relegation places. After that, when the striker comes in January, along with now injured players, the real judgement should happen after that. From the next remaining 17 games, it should at least 12 wins even if the games are against top 6 for him to land the permanent job next season.
Failing in any of the two objectives, then he should be given the option of becoming assistant or back to the Under-23s.
Even Guardiola needed some time to get Barcelona senior team playing to his plans after leaving the Barcelona youth team job. Barcelona lost to newly promoted Numancia, drew with Racing at home, lost to Krakow away, before becoming the best team to be seen by me on the football pitch.
351 Posted 30/10/2017 at 02:34:24
And without Barry (selling him was criminal), Rooney is the only player able to make a pass. He must play. Sigurdsson is the biggest waste of money you'd could ever not wish for. Followed by Klaassen. How could Koeman sign so many players and still be so short of what's needed?
I'd play a back 3 with Holgate, Keane and Jags. Davies or Lennon right and Baines left. Gana and Beni in midfield. Up top Rooney deep behind Niasse and Mirallas... who always made the same runs as Lukaku. I'd also have Robles in goal.
Unsworth needs a bit of time, he's not going to sort out this mess overnight. Pity we can't get a refund from what we spent. The next transfer window is 9 weeks away. Anyone think we've started looking yet??
352 Posted 30/10/2017 at 02:49:51
If you just take it down to numbers then we'll probably need to score 45-50 goals to stay up given our defensive record. We've got 7 so far.
Who's getting them?
We only have 3 who have ever been semi-reliable in front of goal - Kev, Sig and Rooney. We have to find a way to get them to 25 goals between them. Tough but not impossible.
Beyond that, you might get a few from Niasse, and ones and twos from a few others. Maybe Ross comes back? He's hit a few before.
Basically, if we don't sign a striker who can replace Calvert-Lewin and hit close to double figures in the second half of the season, along with the three mentioned chipping in, I think our goose may be cooked.
353 Posted 30/10/2017 at 03:09:52
The problem is when they've played in the same team is that Rooney has been isolated upfront, gets frustrated and drifts back in Sigurdsson's area. It's up to the manager to give him clear instructions. I don't think it's because of him losing a yard of pace either because that goes for Sandro too. On the few occasions he's played I can't remember him getting into the oppositions penalty area once. He just drifts around the edge of the penalty area.
We need to stop conceding and tighten up at the back, and accept that it's going to be 1-0 wins or draws at best until January when we can buy a striker, LB and CB.
If people don't want to accept Rooney playing as striker put Sigurdsson there. He played upfront on his own and scored against us last season and offers more quality than DCL or Niasse. Also to be fair to DCL, I think he's going to be a great striker in the future but he should not be thrown in game after to game in a team low on confidence fighting at the wrong end of the table. The lad wasn't even a regular at Sheffield United 18 months ago.
354 Posted 30/10/2017 at 03:19:31
Unlike other Evertonians, I had no hopes for this season. I knew we'd be shit and it gives me no satisfaction at all to be proven right. Quite the opposite,.
Ironically enough, this is one game I'd have backed Koeman to have gotten a point out of. We were so narrow, and the Foxes really do like to up the middle.
It is very much crunch time. We've played the big boys and, unlike past seasons, got absolutely nothing out of them. A miracle point against Man City. This in itself, is not terminal. Plenty of teams plan and get nothing from the top five. But this is where games like today, Brighton and Burnley are so important to us right now. Somehow, someway we need a result.
355 Posted 30/10/2017 at 03:27:07
I think despite his limitations Niasse needs to play up front. He is the only player who hangs on the shoulder. Calvert-Lewin is a game lad but Niasse has and does look more likely to net.
Klaassen and Rooney or Sigurdsson behind is key to the pressing we've seen under Rhino. I'd limit the youth to the wingers; Vlasic & Lookman.
The back four picks itself, we have no options really.
Kenny, Keane, Jagielka, Baines
Vlasic, Sigurdsson, Klaassen, Lookman
Balance both across the team & in its attacking/defending balance. That team can press, worth persevering with.
356 Posted 30/10/2017 at 03:58:50
I quite like the look of that formation. I still think Sigurdsson and Rooney have to be accommodated together so I'd tweak it and play Rooney instead of Klaassen. It's got good balance though, and I think you're on the money about Lookman and Vlasic, at least until Bolasie is fully fit.
357 Posted 30/10/2017 at 04:01:12
Now that he's been chased out of town and Kid Rhino - a very able apprentice, great with the kids, but nothing more as yet - has been given opportunity to step in and try and fix everything asap, at least get us back on a solid footing, we've nevertheless still got this shaky, very dodgy, house...
Answers? On a postcard please, as I haven't a fuckin' clue!!!
358 Posted 30/10/2017 at 04:18:48
359 Posted 30/10/2017 at 04:19:35
The Rooney/Sigurdsson thing is difficult. Merit in playing both but if you are to play a pressing style, which in two games we have then Klaassen & Sigurdsson get the nod.
They both thrive in a team which presses, Iceland/Ajax. Klaassen to date the proverbial fish out of water. Often hed try to press get caught as the rest of the team didnt.
Both have goals in them, their record tells me that. I just hope unsworth sticks with it, I think it accommodates the players we have best.
Hopefully Lyon is were is clicks.
360 Posted 30/10/2017 at 04:21:50
The problem that none of us know the answer to but needs sorting, is recruitment. Who was responsible for the mess that is our squad. Full of unproven kids not yet ready and some may never be, and has beens, as well as completely imbalanced. Was it Koeman? I'm not so sure he's the main culprit and if I'm right then we really are in a massive hole.
The new manager needs to be exactly that, a manager rather than a coach, who can sort out the squad as well as coach the team. Walsh has to go, so does Unsworth, the latter will no doubt see the writing on the wall as far as his long term career is concerned, when he loses the manager job. The former, well he's got to be the main culprit and he should take responsibility for us having such a terrible squad.
361 Posted 30/10/2017 at 04:48:26
His CV since he took the 'High' Road from us last time, says only 'Failure' and, ultimately, 'Relegation'!! Do some on here really not get that?
362 Posted 30/10/2017 at 05:24:09
363 Posted 30/10/2017 at 05:27:57
364 Posted 30/10/2017 at 05:31:52
To say Unsworth shouldn't be allowed to continue after one Premier League game, one which was always going to be difficult, is truly astounding. It's like calling for the guy who couldn't put the forest fire out with a single hose pipe to be sacked. Calling for the likes of Big Sam is like opting for Stekelenburg because he has more experience than Pickford.
These are worrying times, we need calm heads. Unsworth will know a lot more about who he can rely on when the chips are down... a new manager would have to find that out all over again. That could take weeks.
I was worried by what I saw yesterday: for the umpteenth time, Gana sits on his arse and invites / encourages and opponent to go straight to the heart of our defence; he needs to be rested. He simply can't be allowed to continue doing this. We also need to play young Mason Holgate at centre-half. Opponents lick their lips at the site of Jagielka and Williams walking out together. We need to bring Rooney on when the opposition is knackered.
Much to be done. Please lets get behind those tasked with the repair job instead of calling for another mercenary who won't give a fuck if we go down or not... because he will get paid anyway.
I think it's time we realised that many of our great players are bang average, brought in by bang average managers.
365 Posted 30/10/2017 at 05:51:41
Those asking for Big Sam, Tuchel, Silva, the second coming of Jesus (or even Moyes): Exactly how long would you expect it to take for them to have turned things around?
I get fans are fickle, but expecting someone to revolutionise things in under a week is ridiculous.
366 Posted 30/10/2017 at 05:52:06
I can't stand Moyes and anyone who's read my posts will know this. That said, I want a safe pair of hands at the helm. Someone you could bet your house on will organise and bring some structure out of this mess.
If we want this kind of manager in the long term. I'd go for Shaun Dyche. He will tick all the boxes and make us hard to beat but is he the kind of manager who could make us a top 4 side in the long term?! The juries still out on his ability to manage an offensive side but he definitely has the most potential out of the British names available.
I like Unsworth but he's an unknown quantity and now that it's looking like a relegation battle I'd prefer someone who has proven ability to make teams hard to beat. When we're guaranteed safety we can look at nice attacking football under a Hollywood name next season. In the short term, and this feels like blasphemy and goes against everything I've ever posted on TW, I'd consider Big Sam, or even Moyes until the summer. It's that bad. I'm really worried.
367 Posted 30/10/2017 at 06:10:14
Replacing Pickford with Stekelenburg? For players their experience and age are the factors to consider, but mainly age (and Stek is too old), for managers it's nearly all about experience. Unsy has zero experience as Premier League manager (Pickford is an experienced Premier League player), For example Unsy has never been in a situation where he's got players worth £10m's out of form and/or unhappy and he has to motivate them. He's never been in a situation where he has to keep multi millions who are happy, happy. He's never had to deal with the pressure of managing a group of players that's responsible for putting £100mills on the bottom line. He's never had to convince world class footballers that Everton is the club to join. He's never had to answer to an unhappy billionaire, (manage his manager).
Now compare Pickford to Stek, what's Stek got that Pickford hasn't? Nothing. What's an experienced manager got that Unsy hasn't? Loads.
Being a good manager is about knowing how to manage people. Some people are born with it, others develop based in experience. Unsy doesn't strike me as the former, maybe he can be the latter but I don't want him using our club as his training course, thanks very much.
368 Posted 30/10/2017 at 06:28:47
All the young players are not at the peak time right now,they will make mistakes and probably a lot of them.
Look at Real, Barca, Chelsea, Bayern and Man City. They are full of Spanish,German and Brazilian top players, even their bench. Even the RS have Firmino, Countinho and best player from Egypt and Senegal.
The best solution would be to play as a team as Leicester did in their title winning season. Defend as a team and attack as a team. The signs are there in last 2 games under Unsworth with good commitment and effort. I think it will take few more games to find the right passes and understand each other movements in Unsworth system of pressing and making fast attacking moves. Right now the players are getting used to different system from Koeman's disjointed and clueless system.
In other news, what a clown Barton is, to abuse Unsworth publicly. I agree he is physically unfit but calling him a steward and making these comments public. Someone should ask him, how much money Qatari paid him to throw away the match which won them the title.
369 Posted 30/10/2017 at 06:43:02
1. Confidence is shot to pieces in far too many players. Even Big Sam - crazily touted on these pages as the next manager of the club, suffered a string of defeats at Palace and Sunderland before turning it around. Big Joe when he took over in 94 was in charge of a team that had kept 2 clean sheets and had already picked up a confidence boosting win. Players need confidence and almost throughout the side we have none.
2. Rhino is doing the right thing by throwing in selected U23s. Some, like Beni, are playing with confidence and can add some short term improvement to the team. I think Gana and Schneiderlin are far too low on confidence and need to be taken out of the firing line. Williams too looks very out of sorts. Sigurdsson, Klaassen, Sandro have been too awful to merit a start.
3. Rooney might be suffering from a dip in confidence too. Another one who needs a spell on the subs bench.
4. Axing these players takes us back to 4-4-2, or a diamond midfield 4 formation, which is where we ended up yesterday. With a team low on confidence we will have to revert to scrapping in midfield, getting the ball wide and having two strikers in the box to compete for crosses.
5. This squad is bloated. Far too many players in the same position and far too many players in general. It is no coincidence when we pruned the squad in January we really clicked into gear (atleast at home). I think some players know they have no future and until shipped out will be a drag on squad morale.
6. We miss Seamus as much as Lukaku. The right sided threat has gone and he tended to defend his flank so well that Baines could get the extra protection he needed without the cover having to worry about the right side.
7. It is going to be a tough road ahead but I am grateful for the Europa League. The games allow Rhino some luxury of trying out formations to implement his ideas. One area we have to look at is set pieces. Baines and Sigurdssonhave good ability and if either player not going to create much from open play then they need to come into their own on set pieces.
8. We have been short of luck this season. Against Lyon we could have led 2-1, against Chelsea we should have taken the game to Extra Time, and yesterday, a penalty changes the match. We will need some luck along the way and the old saying "these things even out over a season" will hopefully apply to us too.
370 Posted 30/10/2017 at 06:48:56
371 Posted 30/10/2017 at 07:28:23
"Avoiding the hordes and the gloating masses comes into play too".
So true. It ain't a good feeling. Got to admire the guys who stay beyond the whistle to applaud our guys afraid I'm away on the whistle (the jeers inside and outside etc).
372 Posted 30/10/2017 at 07:29:07
I think that others who were against the decision to appoint him also followed the European game on a regular basis and could almost see the eventual downfall of any team with which he was associated. He's left behind a string of unhappy, disaffected players at virtually every club he's managed. Fans at clubs across Europe have complained about the quality or brand of football his teams have produced. Not one of those clubs could say he left them in better shape than the day he arrived.
The day he arrived at Everton, the damage was done and it continued to grow worse with each passing game. He surrounded himself with his little band of sycophantic followers from his brother to the goalkeeping coach, people who would toe the line and not rock the boat, (his line, his boat).
It took a little time, but I think we could see by the halfway mark last season, that the rot had set in. Performance levels dropped, the opportunity for a top six place was spectacularly blown by the run of turgid, limp wristed performances that saw Man Utd cling on to sixth place even though they were dropping points all over the place.
His inability to galvanise and motivate the players was self evident to anyone watching the way we squandered the opportunity to avoid the qualifying rounds of the Europa League.
His credentials as a poor manager and even poorer man-manager were brutally exposed but most failed to see it, the worst of all being Moshiri.
We can't expect David Usworth or any manager to fix the damage in a week or a month. Whether we can avoid relegation is a burning issue, but let's lay the blame firmly on the heads of those responsible.
The creeping sickness that Koeman and his cronies infected our club with is going to be a long hard road to recovery I fear.
Moshiri's lack of broad football knowledge has been cruelly exposed and we are now paying the price!
373 Posted 30/10/2017 at 07:39:03
Moshiri, new owner, new broom as it were, made the choice. This is what happens, when a rich man, who knows little about football makes decisions as if he was running a company; ill informed decisions at that.
So he has to carry some of the blame, sad thing is; he is probably being advised by Bill Kenwright.
The irony of the whole saga, is Everton have craved a rich investor for years, one comes along, and the majority of the windfall, has been well and truly blown away.
374 Posted 30/10/2017 at 07:46:49
Totally different kettle of fish managing the Under-23s.
375 Posted 30/10/2017 at 07:47:47
Rooney, Mirallas, Sandro, and Niasse all have a track record of scoring goals "somewhere". But not one of them is a number 9 which is what we are crying out for.
My view is that the nearest thing that we have on our books to a number 9 is Ross Barkley. I anticipate howls of derision from some quarters but I have seen a few number 9's playing for Everton in my time so I'll say it again at the moment Barkley is the nearest thing we have got to a number 9.
Put him up front with any one of Rooney, Sandro, and Mirallas and we will start scoring a few goals. The problem is he's a month away so I don't know what we are going to do in the meantime. David Unsworth or "someone" will have to think of "something".
Whatever they come up with, Thursday night would be a good time to try it out. Nothing to loose - Watford is not a game for a new idea.
I also can't see any big name number 9 coming to us in January unless we are well out of the relegation zone so I reckon we should go for Rondon. He's the sort of player we need at the moment he could help us fend off the unthinkable.
376 Posted 30/10/2017 at 07:51:49
Lets give home a few more games eh, there are some signs of improvement.
377 Posted 30/10/2017 at 07:59:12
Unsworth has done much of what most of us would have done, he cannot play for them. Maybe Rooney up top with Sigurdsson in behind, these two simply have more quality than Calvert-Lewin and Niasse who, for all there effort, are a pair of Championship quality strikers at best.
Davies is a fine prospect but he has been piss-poor this season, out of position he may have been but he looks way off the pace and gives more silly fouls away than Gueye and Barry when he was here combined and needs pulling out.
Let's reserve judgement on Unsworth until we have at least played four or five home games and let's not forget some of his picks need game time.
378 Posted 30/10/2017 at 08:21:58
We have a bunch of players who are just not very good overall. We are lacking class all over field, if I was manager I would be very worried because I cant see how I could change the team for the better at the moment!
Koeman was crap and has left us in a mess, he/we sold Lukaku and bought players that are no better or very little better than we already had.
Make no mistake we are in a dogfight, this not the time to be wanting wonderful flowing football, we need to start winning games any way we can.
Even saying all that we have had a very tough start and we were never going to amass that many points.
Stuff the Europa League, I said from the start its a complication we didn't need, I wouldn't be sending many first choice players on Thursday if I were picking the team.
We are not very good, but I still think we will be good enough to scrape ourselves above the bottom 3 come the end of the season especially if we can get our injured players back and they have not lost their ability.
We need to replace Baines and Williams though and find a quality centre forward from somewhere.
379 Posted 30/10/2017 at 08:22:18
380 Posted 30/10/2017 at 08:22:43
So many on here over the past few months have begged for the kids to play, clearly some them need more time to come terms with the league. Koeman was doing it right.
Don't get me wrong: I would love to see Unsworth succeed. When I seen the team this morning though, I thought there was only one result and it did. I don't want another foreign Pep or Mourhino disciple who just think they can buy success. For me I respect Benitez for what he has done for Newcastle, the best Manager in the Premier League, if not Europe.
What we are seeing is the result of the mercenary nature now of the Premier League. Players who just don't give a toss. Look at Drinkwater in his prime and for the money he goes and sits on Chelsea's bench. I suggest we have more than few of those players.
Forget the bullshit about leaving the club to win medals, it's garbage. They leave for money why else would any half-decent player come to Everton in this era?
I been supporting the Blues since 1968. This is the 1st time I have more than doubted the players commitment and I have seen some bad blues teams as well as the good. Never have seen such capitulation in so many games in the blue shirt.
We have a good solid core of young players we need winners around them, like Rooney still our best player by miles, to help them flourish and for me those who lambast him need to open their eyes.
We are currently playing in the poorest Premier League in years and can't foot it, a real worry for me.
Biggest mistake made by Koeman: selling Gareth Barry. Much more influential than that tosser Lukaku.
Just a point view. For me get Sam or Rafa.
381 Posted 30/10/2017 at 08:24:24
It's called Management.
382 Posted 30/10/2017 at 08:30:23
We are in a desperate situation, but have one more card to play by hiring an experienced manager. The argument that we would be hiring another mercenary is nonsense, most of the managers and players in the game are mercenaries that's the nature of football, it would be naive to think otherwise.
383 Posted 30/10/2017 at 08:31:52
Rooney clearly does what he wants when frustrated, running all over the pitch, ignoring his brief (IMO), pulling rank. I an understand this but it undermines the gaffer. Thing is, him & Barkley seen to be the only two capable of defence splitting balls. So we're fucked if we do and fucked if we don't.
Baines is unrecognisable... what the fuck has happened to him, absolutely no pace left. Criminal that no quality was purchased to cover him. I'm not sure Garbutt would be better unless you count corners (his are better than Baines).
The youngsters clearly aren't the answer. If Beni keeps turning out in a losing side his confidence will be shot. Tom has passion & drive but gives it away far too often; not the answer at the moment.
Not sure why Ademola doesn't get more game time looks quality when he plays.
384 Posted 30/10/2017 at 08:35:13
Our fate was sealed September 1 when this club thought you can do okay in this league without a recognised and capable striker.
385 Posted 30/10/2017 at 08:50:21
Nail your colours, go on. Who is the man to do it? I'm sure everyone in the Dark House knows, share.
386 Posted 30/10/2017 at 09:01:00
Yesterday was not good but I did think it was a marginal improvement on what we have seen so far. We had more passes in their final third than in any Premier League game we've played yet and we just didn't get quite the rub of the green with things like the penalty decision, the Calvert-Lewin shot with an open goal, and the horrible Kenny slice which found its way perfectly into the bottom corner.
Unsworth has had 6 days in charge and 2 games away to the the last two champions in the Premier League. Sound out other managers (Tuchel and Silva would be my pick) but meanwhile, let's get behind Unsworth and see how he does at home against Watford.
We know it's a poor squad and the board dropped a clanger in not getting a proper striker but that's the way it is till January. Being 18th is obviously upsetting but it's only October. Beat Watford at home and Palace away and we could feasibly be in the top ten. Confidence can change quickly and I hope that we are due some luck.
387 Posted 30/10/2017 at 09:02:24
For all purposes, our Director of Football is piss poor. How could you not replace a forward in the stature of Lukaku when the manager's plays revolve around a target man?
How can you allow a team not to have a backup left back especially with Baines already 32 or 33 and with so the added Europa commitment? It surprises me that we still want big name managers (and their entourage) with no Premier League experience?
We had a similar position several years back... no striker but Marcus Bent... somebody made it work without funds. Yes...I'm calling for someone familiar David Moyes (not not Big Sam)...give him the job and the funds in January!
388 Posted 30/10/2017 at 09:09:06
Wouldn't it be nice if the club we love came out and explained how its really run.
389 Posted 30/10/2017 at 09:16:35
Last season we only got 7th due to our home form and Lukaku's goals; our away form was atrocious however the ageing defence was never addressed over the summer and of course neither was a target man.
Someone on here has said before that, before Lukaku, the whole team chipped in with goals but not anymore; that's due to the coaching and not allowing the midfielders to get forward.
Watching us play this season has been painful, backwards, sidewards, shite. We all know we have no goal threat, so how didn't the mega paid Koeman and Walsh not address it?
Baines is well past it, even yesterday Leicester knew that and just dropped balls over his head coz they knew he couldn't get back and his forward play is now always backwards!
I could go on but there is no point. Nothing against Unsy but I think we need an experienced 'name' manager to give the whole club a shake. The players need confidence, we have signed some crap for lots of money but there is a squad there along with some good youngsters, we need someone who has the nous to get them together and playing as a team. God knows who that will be though!
390 Posted 30/10/2017 at 09:26:15
Rooney is all over the place, like a kid in a playground. It seems everything is going through him in midfield, to the detriment of the rest of the team. He should never have come back.
The youngsters will not pull us out of this slump. Please stop calling for them to play. You do not spend all this money, then piss-off your new signings by dropping them for unproven kids you need to manage the new signings and make sure they play in a system that suits them.
Make no mistake, we are in deep shit. A home loss to Burnley proves we are in trouble. I would start by sending mostly reserves out to Lyon this week, it's a dead rubber anyway.
Now ask yourself, seeing as we are on the verge of being in serious trouble, do you actually want a manager in charge who hasn't got any experience whatsoever of top level management? This isn't the time to experiment FFS!
If anyone thinks we are not in the shit, think again. We cannot score, and have no striker. Niasse will have to do for now, drop Calvert-Lewin for starters, and go back to being difficult to beat.
If I were Moshiri, I would have the person(s) responsible for this strikerless mess frogmarched out of the club this morning. The fucking imbeciles.
391 Posted 30/10/2017 at 09:51:51
Yes all the cliche stuff but at the moment theyre playing with fear and its killing the kids. For instance Calvert-Lewin will be a great player but having him lead the line in a struggling side is crazy.
Maybe Unsie should start with the side that finished the 2nd half at Chelsea and hopefully hes worked with the team by the time we get to the Watford game so we can play a high pressing game.
Ive looked to the international break so much.
392 Posted 30/10/2017 at 09:54:55
Make no mistake about it, we are relegation material on this form. We need an experienced manager to pull us out of this mess.
The scary thing is, the players don't seem to have any fight in them.
393 Posted 30/10/2017 at 09:55:46
We ain't strong anywhere on the pitch, our midfielders look weak and confidence is shot.
We have to play in a English type system, very basic that will be found out at top level but hopefully get us out of the mess we are in.
More crosses have to be put in the opponent's box from both full-backs and wide players and one of the two central midfielders has to get himself into the box regardless of how natural it is.
Lets have a "concede no goals, lose no games" attitude.
394 Posted 30/10/2017 at 10:00:55
I read through our squad and I don't see any players worthy of wearing the blue shirt with the possible exception of Pickford, maybe. Right now, I'd settle for a Jermaine Beckford or a Marcus Bent up front. That's how bad we are.
Baines hasn't had a good game for a very long time it's sad to watch. Was it just me or did anyone else simply know that when Baines took that free-kick and Leicester won the ball, it would finish up in our net? Is there any other team like Everton through the years so adept at turning a promising position into a goal for the opposition? It doesn't matter who the manager is or who is on the field, we do it season after season.
However bad it was under Martinez, we always had a goal threat. Now we have a powder-puff attack, no creativity or bite in midfield and an ageing and calamitous back four. Furthermore, shuffling the players produces the same problems.
Our only hope is to make Goodison like a bear pit again, starting with Watford and somehow try and win as many points as we can at home because we look lost away from home. We also need to urgently strengthen in January and stop showing sentimentality to experienced old pros who are stinking the place out.
Looking at the teams in the Premier League, which ones would you fancy us against? I can't pick a single team who I would say we could beat. Even Palace would cause us problems.
Lastly, if Moyes or Allardyce are appointed then I'll go cold turkey and cut Everton out of my life because everything this club is supposed to stand for might as well count for nothing might as well interview Neil Warnock whilst we're at it. We need to start showing ambition and acumen from top to bottom.
395 Posted 30/10/2017 at 10:02:03
The problem is Jonjoe Kenny's dreadful attempted clearance going into his own net, the ref not giving a certain penalty, and Gray being able to run 60 yards through the middle of the pitch with Davies waving him goodbye and then Gueye lunging in desperately. This then exposed the fragile back four.
We looked better with a midfield three of Gueye, Baningime and Davies. Shift Sigurdsson to the left and then select pace on the right (Lennon, Lookman or Vlasic), and see if we can find the balance of solidity and attacking intent that we need.
396 Posted 30/10/2017 at 10:04:32
Still no sign though of any central midfield partnership being developed. Davies and Gana should be a good, balanced partnership but Davies is now woefully short of confidence and touch while Gana has become frightened of putting a foot in too early in games for fear of getting a booking and so having to virtually sit out the rest of the 90 minutes for fear of being sent off.
We have big problems. What's saving me from deep depression though is the realisation that, despite abysmal performances all season, we're only in the relegation places by virtue of inferior goal difference. If we want to be more optimistic, we can see the implication in this being that any sort of improvement over the rest of the season should see us safe.
397 Posted 30/10/2017 at 10:20:56
398 Posted 30/10/2017 at 10:26:31
The biggest thing we need is someone who can play up top, isolated, and win the ball with his head, bring it down and wait for people to arrive. We don't have that player. But the closest to it, by a mile, is Calvert-Lewin.
399 Posted 30/10/2017 at 10:31:08
Unsworth has had two games. Poor selection yesterday. Hope he learns from that. Can't judge him this early.
Let's stop thinking about who bought which player and how much they cost. That's gone. It's time to start focusing on how to get the best out of the squad.
Keane, Sigurdsson, Klaassen, Vlasic are good players that have been mis-managed and confused. The man who bought them has been rightly replaced. We need a system to get the best out of them. They need to know what they're meant to be doing.
I'd have Keane and Holgate at centre back and tell them they're in till Christmas at least. I'd pick Bemi to hold. He stands up, only goes in when he has to and plays simple, quick passes. I'd pick at least one of Vlasic and Lookman. Both have pace, trickery and create & score goals. They will get better, Mirallas & Lennon won't. Again, I'd tell them they've got a run of games. I'd also play Sigurdsson and tell him he's in for a run too, he looks completely lost right now. I'd use Rooney as an impact sub for 30 mins and tell him to stay near the box and stop wandering in everyone else's way.
The teams lacks identity and with it, confidence and consistency. Unsy needs to decide on a team and stick with it. Players need to know who they're with, how they move, where they're running.
Yes we need a pacy centre half, a left back, at least one striker. From now till January and beyond, we need a system, consistency and bravery.
The comparison with 1994 is partially correct. We were adrift at the bottom with a threadbare squad. I think we have better players now, players that will benefit from clear guidance and consistency. Over to you, Unsy.
Off the pitch, we need Moshiri to shut up and appoint a professional to give us a coherent view of what's happening in the club. We're either a sentimental bunch of content underachievers, or we're a professional organisation, desperate to succeed. Over to you, Farhad.
400 Posted 30/10/2017 at 10:42:12
I wonder if anybody would be daft enough to be suckered in? No way will we be relegated.
I wonder if those insisting we go for a hired hand with experience realize that, it's this policy which has gotten us where were are.
The thing about experience is, nobody starts out with it. The talented ones cope and thrive.
Man United thought they would bring in experience. It will take them years to recover from their last two appointments.
401 Posted 30/10/2017 at 10:52:17
The application in the first half and the quality in the second half from the players was the problem. It was an utter disgrace. We rightly sacked Koeman but the players' lack of professionalism this season is shameful.
I think we need a top manager to turn this around. Blaming Unsy for any of this though or judging him after two games is ridiculous – he can only get so much out of players with such low self-respect. Give him to the international break the re-evaluate.
There are multiple players in woeful form so trying to chop and change them is a waste of time – drop them and leave them dropped. Martina, Williams, Baines, Schneiderlin, Sigurdsson and Klaassen can't play at the moment. Then there are bright young players who are struggling and need a breather, such as Davies and Calvert-Lewin. But I actually thought Mirallas and Lennon posed our biggest threat yesterday so I would retain them in the match squad.
So play the reserves v Lyon and focus on Watford. Subject to injuries, I'd pick:
402 Posted 30/10/2017 at 11:11:35
403 Posted 30/10/2017 at 11:28:53
404 Posted 30/10/2017 at 12:05:48
405 Posted 30/10/2017 at 12:08:09
The Directors charged with getting deals over the line during the last few days of the window have remained anonymous and quiet. Koeman, quite rightly, has been held to account in regard to performances. Why are others not being made accountable and paying the price for their actions or inactions??
406 Posted 30/10/2017 at 12:26:00
I don't really care about the midweek game in Lyon, but we need a result against Watford before the next international break. We are playing at home, so for gods sake, please don't play 2 holding midfielders. Lets get 2 up top and have a go at getting a result. I'd go with.
Kenny Holgate Jagielka Baines
We are desperate for some pace, and I think this line up at least give us that. Let Gueye patrol in front of the back 4 himself, making sure Mirallas and Lookman are working hard to support. I really think Sandro would do better if played up front with someone who can win something in the air. Just do SOMETHING different.
407 Posted 30/10/2017 at 12:36:50
408 Posted 30/10/2017 at 12:46:26
I think they have believed the hype a little too much. They need reminding that we should be going to places like Leicester and Chelsea and playing on the front foot.
The second half (as with the Chelsea game) was a marked improvement, but we can't be turning up 45 minutes into games.
I have faith that Unsworth will turn it around if he is given time to do it, but at the moment the uncertainty is affecting the players a little too much.
409 Posted 30/10/2017 at 12:51:04
It's not about how long Unsworth has had. It's about having a manager with experience. Not letting a novice see if he's up to it. This is not the time.
410 Posted 30/10/2017 at 13:04:04
411 Posted 30/10/2017 at 13:36:13
This thread lurches from criticism that we didn't setup to stifle Leicester to criticism that we're more worried about the opposition. From a team lacking confidence to a team believing the hype. Selection differences abound.
That confirms to me what I've seen in the last two games. There's a basis to work with now. Differing opinions are normal when there's something worth improving.
I'm not seeing a team that's given up I'm seeing a team having a crack. Yes it's low on quality at the back and lacks a goalscorer but we have created chances at Chelsea and been unlucky in some big moments at Leicester.
Watford is massive now. I really couldn't care about Lyon and would be happy for us to play lads who won't be involved on Sunday.
I'd go in with the same team as Leicester with the exception of bringing Lookman in on the left and moving Mirallas to the right. Jonjoe needs a midfielder who he can give the ball to with confidence you could see how fearful he was in passing to Lennon. Baines can't overlap but he can stay home with Lookman ahead of him needs to use his experience.
Also McCarthy showed enough against Chelsea to suggest he's well ahead of Gana and Schneiderlin when fit. Lord knows if he's fit though.
412 Posted 30/10/2017 at 13:47:03
Unsworth needs 5 or 6 games but let's not kid ourselves, we need an experienced man to take the job. I would give Big Sam till the end of the season to keep us up and then persuade Simeone to come.
We need to get rid of Stekelenburg, Robles, Jagielka, Baines, Williams, Schneiderlin, Besic, Lennon, Mirallas and Niasse. Holgate, Lookman and Calvert Lewin need to go out on loan.
Then we need to get a solid backup to Pickford, two new dominant Centre half's who are young and good on the ball, should be quick too. A younger, athletic top left back needs to come in with Galloway or Robinson as back ups.
A true midfield general needs to come in who can not only sit in front of the back four but also start moves and has vision and an eye for goal. Two new dynamic, skillful and pact wingers who can score and play on both sides and then a proper Number 9 who's good in the air, strong and can come deep and be able to shoot from range. A backup striker too would help.
But first we need to start picking up points and to keep it tight and grind out results. Fuck Europa now, we're out of it more or less.
We also need to stop this horrible long ball shite which we have been plagued with since Bobby Brown Shoes second season.
413 Posted 30/10/2017 at 13:56:01
As a few have said, he looked our biggest goal threat yesterday, yes he shoots when maybe he shouldn't, but so do many top strikes and now and again one or two of them may just creep in! Calvert-Lewin is a decent runner but offers no goal threat, his time will come, but it's not right now.
It's gunna be 2 goals as an absolute max for us now in a league game, so it's imperative we shore up the defense and play with a striker who's confident/arrogant enough to have a pop whenever he has a sniff of a chance to try to get that precious goal which would at least give us something to defend.
414 Posted 30/10/2017 at 14:17:25
Kenny was even trying to cover for him yesterday, and he was right back! The only option is to play Martina on the left, why we didn't buy Gibbs for £5m, is still baffling me, and if Keane isn't fit for Sunday, play Holgate instead of Williams.
We need pace at the back, we need our wide men to cover, and limit Watford on the break. We were totally exposed yesterday, we have no choice, but to go back to basics. We need more from Gueye and Davies, McCarthy is a huge loss, he's a lot more aggressive and in your face.
It's back to the dogs of war, to get points on the board, and Sunday's game is huge, and a win would turn our season around, especially with the International break, and maybe a few of the walking wounded back.
415 Posted 30/10/2017 at 14:21:43
And moreover, as all Evertonians carp on about he's one of us. Whatever that means.
I hate to say this, but it may well be time for Allardyce, because we simply cannot afford to drop out of the division. That cannot happen, and he would be the best option to stop that happening we're shit.
We have a team full of individuals who have no direction or idea how to play together. We also don't have a striker, which in case nobody has noticed, is a huge factor in the fact we have no way of putting the little round thing between the white sticks at the end.
I'd swallow Allardyce (so to speak) until the end of the season to keep us in the division, and have a plan in place for the summer to get someone in longer term. Personally I don't give a shit about his shady past, and taking the moral high-ground on that seems odd to me. If Allardyce is the only man in football to have ever done anything untoward I'll eat my hat.
416 Posted 30/10/2017 at 14:26:43
Why did Kevin Sheedy leave Everton?
417 Posted 30/10/2017 at 14:32:34
418 Posted 30/10/2017 at 14:34:27
Incidentally, I think Shane Duffy has turned out to be a decent defender. In my view he is much better than what we have. His sale was further confirmation of how shite Martinez was.
419 Posted 30/10/2017 at 14:38:08
While a number of things have conspired to bring us to this point, the biggest issue and the one that will continue to haunt us until it's properly addressed is the criminal failure to find a replacement for Lukaku. While he may not have banged them in every week (close though), the mere threat of his presence on the pitch forced teams to adjust the way they played us. As we are now impotent up top, teams are flooding in attack and exposing how truly weak and immobile we are at the back. Having several players seemingly lose their legs overnight doesn't help either but it doesn't take a genius to anticipate this could happen with players on the north side of 30.
Regarding Rooney, I'll admit it's perplexing what to do with him. At times he appears to be the only one arsed to do anything. However, he roams all over the pitch. I lost count how many times he ended up behind Jags yesterday! It's pretty tough trying to maintain proper shape when one of you CMs is all over the shop. His pass yesterday to release Lennon yesterday was sublime. However, it was overshadowed by how many times he cheaply relinquished possession to the opposition.
For the next few matches, I would like to see Gylfi in there and use Rooney only as a sub. Yes, he's had some anonymous games this year but I think he needs more time to properly bed in. We need to stabilize our midfield. This constant rotation of players is actually undermining our ability to establish some level of consistency in the center of the park.
420 Posted 30/10/2017 at 14:45:24
I don't point the finger at the defence as our problem as such our problem lies in the balance of the team which leaves our defenders sitting ducks. There's always more to it than blaming any one player, or any one position on the park.
This issue has existed since Bobby was in charge, and is still with us for different reasons. Our defenders are hung out to dry every week because of the imbalance in our play from front to back.
Rooney does all the work because he gives a shit his indiscipline is currently his downfall. I think if you could get him to stay high up top, he'd still be a 15=goal-a-season striker. In fact, I'd still back him to get close to that this season, even in our shitty team.
421 Posted 30/10/2017 at 14:46:51
We should play with a deep backline, to accommodate the pace of Williams, who now must play until Keane is fit. Then have a midfield trio just ahead, compact and defensive. You can then go with a front three, with two wide but pushing on to try to ensure the striker gets some support. I'd start Calvert-Lewin for his hard running, but replace him with Niasse.
Baines Williams Jagielka Kenny
You can swap Lennon for Lookman or Vlasic and I wouldn't moan. I'd give Lennon the nod for his experience. He's still got the pace as we saw against Leicester. Instead of going for pace on the left, I'd allow Sigurdsson to come inside and try to create opportunities. I'd be looking to bring Mirallas on to do the same if it's not working after an hour.
The back four picks itself, although you could go for Holgate over Kenny, but I feel that if we let Kenny get games, as he should have done all season long, particularly in the early Europa League games, then he will get better and better with every game, and start to get forward like we would hope.
It's more or less a Moyes 4-5-1 and very much in the mould of keep it tight and pinch one. But we need a clean sheet right now. Get one against Lyon, and get one against Watford and build from there.
422 Posted 30/10/2017 at 14:49:01
423 Posted 30/10/2017 at 14:53:12
I can't remember us being in the lead at all in any game this season... instantly chasing it every match is killing us.
424 Posted 30/10/2017 at 14:56:28
425 Posted 30/10/2017 at 14:58:24
426 Posted 30/10/2017 at 15:00:49
427 Posted 30/10/2017 at 15:16:28
We looked more attacking, balanced and able to defend from the front with Calvert-Lewin and Niasse on the pitch yesterday – or was that due to Leicester being 2-0 up and therefore inviting pressure?
I wouldn't be upset seeing 2 of them up front from the start against Lyon and Watford.
428 Posted 30/10/2017 at 15:16:54
And people need to forget about McCarthy he's not been fit long enough for months & months.
Rooney is an impact sub at best. Too slow, poor reactions & first touch, and gives the ball away cheaply he's a spent force. And 3 of is 4 goals were set up by the much criticised Calvert-Lewin and he tried to miss the easiest one against City! Sigurdsson should be played in his proper position and Mirallas should start every game he's one of our few serious goal threats.
My top picks if we go outside for a manager Rafa & Paul Clement.
429 Posted 30/10/2017 at 15:17:04
430 Posted 30/10/2017 at 15:18:08
Impossible to disagree, you're describing what we're all seeing. What makes it worse, they tried their hearts out yesterday.
As Rob said, we need to get to January on 20 points+. Time to be ruthless. Baines and Rooney are no longer Premier League starters, don't start them. Our best athletes and toughest defenders and midfielders get to play.
We're not good enough to play the likes of Mirallas, Lennon, Vlasic or Lookman. McCarthy if ever fit is a must, as is Barkley. Play Calvert-Lewin and Niasse together to keep the opposition honest. Tough it out.
431 Posted 30/10/2017 at 15:22:28
We never really disagreed about Duffy. He was always aware and his positioning was sound, but he did lack that yard. Having watched him a lot recently I think he is making up for that lack of pace with very good positioning and reading of the game. He's not a top four player, but you are right, he is miles better than Jagielka and Williams
Ah well... spilt milk 'n' all that
432 Posted 30/10/2017 at 17:17:43
Add to that we look impotent going forward, the frightening thing is there does not look like we have many options to make an improvement in that aspect of our play, other players have come in and failed to impress.
What state the dressing room is in I dread to think, it wont be sweetness and light that's for sure. Don't get me wrong I'm not feeling sorry for them, far from it, but some who have recently been signed must wonder what the hell they signed for. Again not good for confidence and results.
Duffy was flagged up on Match of the day last night, coincidence you've not mentioned him before Andy? He'll be a 5 minute wonder like most other players, who are highlighted by the EXPERTS when they have a decent game or two, their that good they never go near a managers job.
Match of the Day, 25 mins of highlights and 35 mins of inane analysis usually!
433 Posted 30/10/2017 at 17:31:42
434 Posted 30/10/2017 at 18:02:02
People keep going on about having to win ten games to get to 40 points. We don't have to win ten games we have to win three or four games and draw most of the rest.
It has worked for Pulis, Alladyce, etc for season after season. It may be boring and dour but desperate times call for desperate measures. Until we get ourselves to the relative safety of mid table and we can afford to risk a more attacking style we have to defend for our Premier League lives. A few boring 0-0's or 1-1's won't do us any harm at all.
Go 4-5-1. Stick Niasse up front because he'll run all day and chase every long ball we can hoof up to him. A couple of quick wingers in Vlasic and Lookman. Everyone else defend like their lives depends on it. Three DM's in Schnieds, Gana, Beni, and a back four of Kenny, Jags, Williams, Baines. Davies is a lightweight, Rooney is a luxury.
If we are winning or go behind stick them on but as long as it's 0-0 leave well enough alone and settle for a point. I reiterate. We have to stop losing. Just get a few draws and a bit of confidence might be restored to the squad.
435 Posted 30/10/2017 at 18:11:44
436 Posted 30/10/2017 at 18:32:48
Sorry to bore everyone but this club is not ambitious.
437 Posted 30/10/2017 at 18:39:00
Alladyce was England manager, he is a deep football thinker and massively experienced. We need him or we are going down.
438 Posted 30/10/2017 at 18:43:11
Buys lots of players (Pickford, Keane, Siggurdsson, Gueye and Bolasie) who are used to the pressure of a relegation battle.
439 Posted 30/10/2017 at 18:43:36
440 Posted 30/10/2017 at 18:48:01
442 Posted 30/10/2017 at 18:58:38
My point is that Allardyce would be a short term fix only and there is real risk that he sets the team up in such a way that the new manager finds it very difficult to do much with it without some major surgery.
So, whilst I do not want us to get relegated and Allardyce is an expert in such a situation, the club must think longer term and have an Allardyce replacement plan in place.
443 Posted 30/10/2017 at 19:03:12
444 Posted 30/10/2017 at 19:05:53
445 Posted 30/10/2017 at 19:18:00
I strongly suspect that he won't be given beyond the international break and the wheels are already in motion with a new manager here in November (my guess is it will be Tuchel or possibly Silva despite his comments about being happy at Watford).
For what it's worth I don't think k we will be relegated either as long as we have stability by the end of November one way or another.
447 Posted 30/10/2017 at 19:21:26
Getting caught telling the truth has done Allardyce no favours but board members making a profit while selling the fans prize asset is seen as ambitious. What a confused club we are.
448 Posted 30/10/2017 at 20:02:38
Fair enough I cant solely credit(!) Koeman. Walsh could take some credit fir that list of purchases I posted at 438 & 439.
Lamine Kone and Moussa Sissoko are 2 others that we “nearly got” who we can add.
Its a fact that a large contingent of our signings or targets all experienced relegation struggles recently.
449 Posted 30/10/2017 at 20:05:23
Roll on a few weeks; we are in disarray, having overspent the long awaited Holy Grail Money; now we are talking about getting Big Sam in.
As Paul Smith so rightly said the Board have acted atrociously in all this; I just hope and pray something positive happens, and soon.
450 Posted 30/10/2017 at 20:23:30
451 Posted 30/10/2017 at 20:59:56
You could be wrong. This is what he had to say on the subject in March 2015:
"I'm a striker. I feel I can have my greatest impact there because I'm free to roam around the pitch, take players on, have shots and create chances," he told Premier League World.
I don't know much about formations, double pivots, playing off shoulders, and running channels,etc. I just use my eyes, ears, and memory and on that basis I am sure if Barkley was fit and playing up front for us he would have a greater impact than Calvert-Lewin is having at the moment.
452 Posted 30/10/2017 at 21:28:54
453 Posted 30/10/2017 at 21:40:38
Josef Stalin? He knows a good left winger that fella. Wouldn't be any slacking with him in charge. If you had a shite game you'd be off playing for the second XI away at Vladivstock United on a Tuesday night...
454 Posted 30/10/2017 at 21:49:19
455 Posted 30/10/2017 at 21:50:21
I have followed his career since he left Everton and do not rely on MotD pundits to tell that he is much better than what we have.
456 Posted 30/10/2017 at 22:03:11
We have just dismissed our manager, and appointed a caretaker who, whilst losing 2 games, has overseen 2 matches from which we could have got something.
This is not a time to panic. David Unsworth has taken on a squad with very little up front, and an aged defence. He also has the Rooney conundrum to deal with. He needs, and deserves, absolute support over the coming fixtures.
457 Posted 30/10/2017 at 22:05:44
458 Posted 30/10/2017 at 22:12:28
I think we have some special talent on our hands by I agree they need to be protected by being removed from “the fire”. Why wasn't Kenny offered support and encouragement by the senior pros after the own goal.
459 Posted 30/10/2017 at 22:18:18
460 Posted 30/10/2017 at 23:00:39
Our problem is goals, and even come January, which striker of any calibre is going to sign for us? Does anyone have any thoughts because I can't think of anyone that's good enough who would actually risk joining us...
461 Posted 31/10/2017 at 00:20:55
What has he done to justify such a suggestion?? Being Carlo Ancelotti's assistant has been followed by the sack by Derby and narrowly avoiding relegation with Swansea. I know he inherited a relegation battle with Swansea but he's hardly pulling up trees this season is he??
I'm all for looking far and wide to get the best man for the job, but Paul Clement??? No thanks!!
463 Posted 31/10/2017 at 07:19:32
464 Posted 31/10/2017 at 07:33:42
465 Posted 31/10/2017 at 09:51:18
While I have nothing against Rhino whatsoever, I think although it is early doors, he lacks the experience for a dogfight in the Premier League, Dyche has done this with very limited resources.
I know they got relegated the season before last, and he got them back up straight away, not many have done that.
Besides all this, who says that Dyche will take the offer, should one be made, they are 8th in the Premier League now.
466 Posted 31/10/2017 at 10:25:56
"the gaffer expects you to stand there and take the pain." You know, right now I'd travel many miles to see the squad doing an open training session, just to see Williams and Co take a ball in the stomach or face.
467 Posted 31/10/2017 at 10:34:27
If these are the reasons what happens if he gets to the upper part of the table? (If) Where he has no experience.
Obviously this is not every detail but how he is qualified to manage Everton I will never know?
468 Posted 31/10/2017 at 10:38:41
These allegedly high profile manager's don't come with any sort of guarantee; plus if things don't work out, it costs an arm and a leg to part company with them; in addition, that they would probably have let some players go; and brought others in who were no better, and on lottery wages.
With the likes of Dyche, you would know what you were getting from the off.
469 Posted 31/10/2017 at 10:52:47
470 Posted 31/10/2017 at 10:58:29
We all want the best for Everton, but after Koeman, I think,it's a lot more important now, that we get a manager who understands what Everton, once were, and is going to put everything into trying to take us back there?
471 Posted 31/10/2017 at 11:29:41
472 Posted 31/10/2017 at 11:40:44
473 Posted 31/10/2017 at 11:59:44
I feel like this is a massive statement from Moshiri (if it comes to fruition) in that he has basically given up on the “project” and that the museum custodians are back in charge.
Kenwright has played a blinder here. Hes stuffed his bank account. Neutralised Moshiri and has kept his iron grip on the club.
Prem safety, financial responsibility, occasional forays into Europe is the height of BKs ambitions. Forget the stadium, he probably thinks its a waste of money anyway and could be better spent on paint, cladding and lawnmowers for The Old Lady.
I have nothing against Dyche per se. He will probably do a Moyesesque type job for a couple of seasons before he goes to a more ambitious club. One positive is that hes a squeaky voiced ginger, could he be Bally reincarnated?
474 Posted 31/10/2017 at 12:09:41
Then we go.
Long term strategy?
475 Posted 31/10/2017 at 12:32:53
CA "Hello Carlo speaking"
JW "Hi Carlo this is Jim White from SSN, my mate Moshiri has asked to ask if you would be interested in managing Everton FC"
CA "Everton, hmmm I see, whats the plans for the club."
JW "They are getting a new big stadium on the docks."
CA "good, which players are in the squad"
JW "Wayne Rooney"
CA "Rooney, good, I wondered where he went when he retired. Tell me who is the main striker"
JW "They sold him to Man Utd"
CA "Okay so who are the other 3 strikers"
JW "No they sold him"
JW "Yes to Utd"
JW "Carlo. "
JW "Carlo "
That could have been the last phone call of Moshiri's reign before Colin's scenario kicks in.
476 Posted 31/10/2017 at 12:44:14
All we keep doing is appointing managers that will merely look to us as a step-up from their previous jobs. Same shit, different name.
Moyes, Martinez, Koeman, Dyche every one of them coming to us from a lower league or a lower stature club. I'm fucking sick to death of Everton and their bullshit from top to bottom.
Aim fucking high for once!!
Seriously, I'm on my last legs here. Supporting this club is a monumental joke, and a lifelong affliction. Much as I hate to say it.
477 Posted 31/10/2017 at 12:46:11
478 Posted 31/10/2017 at 12:47:06
Speaking to Croatian outlet 24 Sata, Nikola Vlasic has lifted the lid on what life is like at Finch Farm for Everton's players - and he says that the players can even have a full English before training.
He explains: “In the morning we have to be at the club at 8:30am, we all have breakfast together, then there is a short pause, then a meeting, then pause, training, lunch… We are at the club until 2:30pm and after that we are free.
“The story is exclusively about football, and everything else is a private thing. No one asks you what you are doing, where you were, when you went to sleep, what you ate… You come, do yours, and that's it.
The choice is really rich, you can even eat a classic English breakfast with eggs, sausages, beans and ketchup. I'm avoiding it as it's large portions, I don't know how to eat it and run before training. I keep with the proven, what I'm used to eating and at home, and only fish is missing. There is also fish here, but it's not as good as ours"
479 Posted 31/10/2017 at 12:49:43
Why on earth are Evertonians so entrenched in mediocrity and failure!?!
480 Posted 31/10/2017 at 13:00:17
This, if true, just underlines the amateurish nature of Everton FC and the unprepared clowns who run it.
481 Posted 31/10/2017 at 13:02:59
Ok you said aim high. Nothing wrong with that.
Just offer some names who we should aim high for.
Not wanting to second guess the illustrious list you may provide the question has to be:
Would they come?
How much salary do they want?
Its not as simple as plucking the best coach out and expecting him to come as your probably aware.
Please offer some names though so at least we can debate their virtues.
482 Posted 31/10/2017 at 13:08:25
483 Posted 31/10/2017 at 13:13:19
The premier league does not demonstrate many or any successful examples of managers alike Dyche, moving from mediocre success to a bigger stage .
If staying up is a concern, big Sam every time
484 Posted 31/10/2017 at 13:22:52
485 Posted 31/10/2017 at 13:32:27
We're at the stage where all we can do is turn up and hope for the best. I've said my bit as to why I think Allardyce should get the job now, but we're all guessing.
Close your eyes and hold on to your hat.
486 Posted 31/10/2017 at 13:42:51
487 Posted 31/10/2017 at 13:54:41
Also in the race we have a manger who does not need the job and has took a year off, a manager whose has just failed to make the world cup, and never achieved anything in the premier, and a manager with a London club who after 10 games is doing ok with a team that we should be beating on the weekend.
Would as is the rumor ,Everton may be going for Burnleys manager. am I wrong in believing that our beloved chairman has to ask for permission from the chairman of Burnley to speak to their manager, and would you as chairman of Burnley allow him.
It looks to me that the only available manager is the one from Germany, but does any one believe he would come to a struggling club, even though he done it before.
488 Posted 31/10/2017 at 13:57:12
We couldve bought Girouds missus a private jet (for travelling between London and Merseyside) for that.
489 Posted 31/10/2017 at 14:03:18
We need to go for a European manager in my view, since pretty much every player now understand the European way of playing - English football is in my view, dead, and the PL is a European league.
All this 'up & at em' stuff is entirely 20th century, much like Everton. We need to move on and catch up.
490 Posted 31/10/2017 at 14:07:15
491 Posted 31/10/2017 at 14:08:59
All the rumours are pointing to the board meeting with Sam in the next 24 hrs.
What a sorry mess we have become.
However, beggars cant be choosers and were certainly at the point where we are holding the bowl now.
Moshiris first instinct will be to protect his considerable investment and he has to choose the best way to do that avoid relegation !
At the moment I cannot even see us beating Crystal Palace and they are only 4 points behind us !!
No team will be afraid of playing us and we are in an extremely perilous situation .we leak goals easily and rarely score goals...a recipe for disaster.
Its now come to a situation when tough decisions have to be made and I think ( sadly) that decision will be to bring Allardyce in.
Sadly because the project that was lauded in the beginning is for the moment now dead. ( or at least in a coma)..the question is how long will the contract be?
The board will probably want as short as possible contract, the trouble is Allardyce will want as long as possible contract and we will more likely get something in the middle.
He will want to bring in his own backroom staff and all that team of sport analysts etc but one thing is almost guaranteed is that he will keep us in the PL, which at this time is the very most important thing for this Club...no ifs or buts.
Lots of fans will be upset and there will be much cursing, wailing and knashing of teeth but suvival has to be the prime goal here
I maybe wrong..and I hope I am but as always, money talks .and Moshiri didnt become a billionaire by letting his investments slip away as a result of not protecting them and he will protect them at all costs.
What a mess !!
492 Posted 31/10/2017 at 14:15:27
This is obviously all pie in the sky anyway, but I'd be OK with that scenario. Sean Dyche is an almighty thanks but no thanks from me - much as I enjoy his interviews and his Burnley team, he's another loser which is exactly what we don't need.
493 Posted 31/10/2017 at 14:19:34
My two pennyworth - I think Dyche would be an ok choice for the backs to the wall survival plan but not sure how he would fit with the long term progress, and Tuchel may be the better man for that although I am concerned about his personality as reported and diplomatic failings within his own organisation.
From our (the fans) point of view it is a bit of a lottery and we will have no say so I am not going to work myself into a stew, and just trust that the man we bring in can do a job. The only suspect I can think of that would fit James' remit (@ 476) who MAY be available would be Rafa, but I think it is unlikely he would be persuaded to jump ship from Newcastle to come here. Maybe a return to 'Them' if Klopp was to go, but I would not be too disappointed if we did make an approach.
In the meantime I anticipate we will hear something more definite by the weekend.
494 Posted 31/10/2017 at 14:29:00
You're entirely right about it being a lottery - right place, right time, right players, right fit & all that. You never quite know and none of us are right or wrong in that respect.
495 Posted 31/10/2017 at 15:03:30
My motto these days - "I'm not calm - get me a fucking coffee"
496 Posted 31/10/2017 at 15:25:50
Would explain the lethargic defending, and Rhino looking like he had eat himself.
497 Posted 31/10/2017 at 19:29:19
He certainly wouldn't find it difficult to be superior to our present centre halves.
498 Posted 31/10/2017 at 21:04:25
What a total mess this great football club is in. Back in June it was all the chat about top 4 then we go and spunk 150 million on utter shite, stick with two CB's and LB who are obviously past it and worse, by a zillion fucking miles, we start the season with NO experienced striker. Well you think it can't get worse. Allardyce?? Seriously??
499 Posted 31/10/2017 at 21:53:30
I have shown bags of frustration on here and at times been hostile maybe? But I got so annoyed with the con of 'nothing will be the same' when it was clearly doing business no differently to the previous windows.
To see amazing die hard supporters suckered in by it has drove me mad for ages and I know on here there are some people giving everything to Everton.
Its about time the club gave that back.
I stick by my opinion that a DoF at the club will cause confusion at the club.
If I was ever to employ Moyes again and we were definately sticking with that role I would employ him as DoF. (After a slap).
Otherwise I wouldn't have anyone. How many times are a manager and DoF going to have to compromise?
Obviously some things will go smoothly but the amount of times I hear of DoFs falling out with managers makes me realise the real reason they are at a club.
Ie Monchi. ( the king of sports directors) is simply a book balancer.
501 Posted 01/11/2017 at 06:25:23
I have never been an advocate of the concept of a Director of Football.. After all, doesn't the manager actually 'direct' the football played by the team? What exactly does Walsh do? If the DOF is nothing more than a chief scout, why give him such a grandiose job title?
We should, in my opinion, be apportioning a considerable share of the blame for our plight on Walsh. Didn't Koeman himself say that he was not involved in transfers? That was Walsh's department. If so, what the hell was Walsh doing in Italy for three weeks, apart from running up expenses for hotels, travel, match tickets, hospitality etc etc? I fully expected him to return with one or two stars of Serie A in the bag, but he came back empty handed. Three weeks wasted when he should have been on his bike seeking striker or two.
Why can't we have a manager who manages? Why do we need this extra level of beaurocratic nonsense with its idiotic misnomer of a title?
The signings we have made, presumably on Walsh's watch are among the reasons we are now in our current predicament. So I say again, why is Walsh seemingly not being held to account for his part in this sorry debacle again, do we really need a Director of Football?
502 Posted 01/11/2017 at 06:42:44
Seems that's the way of things now, almost across the board. Tinkering and bullshit. Change, change, change... and if that doesn't work - change it.
503 Posted 01/11/2017 at 13:38:07
505 Posted 01/11/2017 at 14:14:21
506 Posted 01/11/2017 at 14:49:01
Can anyone name three teams worse than us? I can't, so let's stop kidding ourselves that we are too good to go down with what we have seen this season.
507 Posted 01/11/2017 at 15:44:41
I don't think I am the only one either. I thought it was part of a Catholic Ritual.
While I understand everyone is entitled to their opinion, Dyche has been around for at least 5 years, 4 in the Prem.
Maybe that guy is the answer, who can say for sure, but he could be Johnny on the spot, it's whether he can remain on that spot for a sustained period of time.
508 Posted 01/11/2017 at 16:51:45
Nice one Derek lol.
509 Posted 01/11/2017 at 17:01:49
510 Posted 01/11/2017 at 17:30:25
511 Posted 01/11/2017 at 17:51:55
Barton called Unsworth a glorified PE teacher and Walsh actually was one.
512 Posted 01/11/2017 at 18:12:19
I agree with the posts above that it is none sense for the manager not to be in charge of transfers. How else is he going to take ownership for the team he puts out? In some ways I am not surprised that Koeman went missing on deadline day, he probably felt he wasnt needed. In his mind I think it also gave him the get out I refer to above.
We should scrap the DOF role in my opinion as part of the new manager appointment regardless of who that is. If Steve Walsh is not happy with that then give him his cards. The sooner we get the club structure better balanced the sooner we start moving forwards.
513 Posted 01/11/2017 at 18:30:21
By having a director of football, someone else can do his bidding in negotiations and the like. He can say go get me Giroud and then it's up to the DoF and takes away some accountability.
We cannot fathom how good or not Walsh is at his job until a number of years have passed. We need to judge him on his youth signings, and he's made a load, as these players are the ones that are definitely his and are exactly who we paid him to find.
Walsh is not just Mr Kante, Vardy or Mahrez. He has had a long career. He worked for Chelsea under Mourinho and he is the one who found Drogba. He found plenty of others too. They guy's talent spotting is beyond doubt.
As to whether he is up to the job of DoF and not just Chief Scout, only time will tell. But I do think it is time to move into the 21st century and take deals out of the hands of managers. Do we really need Davie Moyes, Robert Elstone, The player, and the player's agent sat down discussing how much he will get for being an unused substitute? That's not really the manager's business. The manager should focus on coaching the side, he should make the final decision on the player, he should be aware what the budget for transfers and the budget for wages is and he should be able to consider this as a whole when making his decision on players. Such as Koeman saying he would have to make do without a striker until January rather than going for target number 5, 6 or 7, knowing that would mean they could not go for a different big name in January because the money was gone.
The Director of Football is here to stay. But really we should call it the General Manager like in American sports, and refer to the "manager" as the head coach.
514 Posted 01/11/2017 at 18:56:22
It maybe as simple as getting hung up over job titles, I agree that being called a General Manager seems more appropriate.
There needs to be some onus placed on the manager by the club such that it is not acceptable for him to go and play golf on deadline day. If we are to persevere with Steve Walshs role then the managers contract needs some sort of clause including in it.
515 Posted 01/11/2017 at 19:02:03
It seems that we were spoilt by the work ethic of Moyes and Martinez, because love them or loathe them, you cannot criticise the devotion they gave to the club. Both reported worked 12 hours a day minimum for 6 days a week. On transfer deadline day both reportedly slept at Finch Farm and worked around the clock to get things done.
I could never really warm to Koeman, and I bet even now he has no idea of our history. We're all mad Evertonians and it means everything to us. and for me, the man getting £6m a year should care that little bit more than he did.
516 Posted 01/11/2017 at 19:06:20
517 Posted 01/11/2017 at 19:23:46
519 Posted 01/11/2017 at 19:28:38
You hit the nail on the head with the history bit though. Koeman didn't give a shit - and with his playing background I see why - and it pissed me off no end. I wonder about Mosh too - references in program notes about undersoil heating notwithstanding.
520 Posted 01/11/2017 at 22:29:18
Watford can pull a 20 year old Brazilian out the bag, Steve Walsh is no one off mate.
I do believe a manager should be focused on his own signings and sit down with them. Its never done Wenger and Ferguson any harm.
521 Posted 01/11/2017 at 22:31:24
522 Posted 01/11/2017 at 22:33:17
"But it was someone elses call. It was only when I left Chelsea and became chief scout at Newcastle that it became my responsibility to make the calls. Its difficult the first time you do it because you are spending an awful lot of somebodys money and there is the big expectation that fans have.”
At St James' Park Walsh took up the position of chief scout under Sam Allardyce. He later became assistant manager and head of recruitment at Leicester City, then Hull City alongside Nigel Pearson, returning to the King Power Stadium in 2011.
523 Posted 01/11/2017 at 22:35:17
Do you not think Moyes knew of Drogba at Guingamp?
524 Posted 01/11/2017 at 22:44:10
The key thing though. Was Drogba had never scored with regularity. There was no evidence that he was not just hitting a hot streak. He also was not young. He suddenly came of age and became prolific, moved to Marseille and moved to Chelsea both in a short time and never looked back.
Drogba was a big call and no one else was making it because they thought he was a flash in the pan and it wouldnt last.
525 Posted 02/11/2017 at 06:42:00
The fee at the time made it clear he was a top player.
You don't buy a 'find' for 24 million mate.
Have a look where some of Wengers signings started out.
Le harve had players make 2 or 3 leaps in short time it happens all over Europe.
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