Commonwealth Games set for Birmingham

Thursday 7 September 2017  43 Comments  [Jump to last]

Birmingham looks set to become the government's preferred option to host the 2022 Commonwealth Games over Liverpool.

However, Liverpool's failure to land the Games won't effect Everton's proposed new stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock which was to be at the centre of the city's bid, with the inclusion in the plans of a temporary running track to accommodate athletics events.

Both Liverpool City Council and Everton insist that today's news has no bearing on the outcome of the planning phase for the new stadium or the likelihood of the proposal proceeding.

"Everton is proud to have been part of the city's bid t host the Commonwealth Games," a statement from the club reads. "Well one to Mayor Anderson and the bid team for such a bold and entrepreneurial submission – showing once again that the city is ambitious and progressive.

"Our plans for Bramley Moore Dock continue, plans which will support the regeneration of north Liverpool and the city region."  


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Liam Reilly
1 Posted 07/09/2017 at 11:03:33
The club will need to say something quicksmart on this as regards the Stadium.

Huge blow to the plans.

Chris Williams
2 Posted 07/09/2017 at 11:07:15
Who said the stadium was dependent on the Games? I must have missed that. I thought the reverse was more likely the situation.
Michael Lynch
3 Posted 07/09/2017 at 11:11:04
Great, no running track

I too wasn't aware the stadium was dependent on the Games, so not too worried. If Moshiri did come out and say that was the end of it, he would be lynched.

Brian Williams
4 Posted 07/09/2017 at 11:20:29
I'd always hoped (selfishly) that Liverpool wouldn't get the games and then the running track problem wouldn't exist.

Please God, Everton's plans AREN'T reliant on the city getting the games.

Paul Hughes
5 Posted 07/09/2017 at 11:46:46
I don't think it makes any difference to the stadium plans, other than we now know that we don't need to plan for incorporating a running track. So Mr Meis can now get cracking with a defined objective.
Kevin Tully
6 Posted 07/09/2017 at 12:23:02
As far as I was aware, the impact any Commonwealth Games bid had on any new stadium was the government grant of reportedly £500m towards infrastructure costs and other costs associated with hosting the event.

I'm guessing that the actual stadium project shouldn't be affected, but we may be on a bus to the game, rather than a shiny new rail link to Bramley-Moore station. It would have been good news for the council and the club if they had landed the games, but the running track issue was always going to mean a compromise on design, no matter what people say.

I would say this is good news for EFC, as we can now press forward without too much interference from other parties. That's if the whole scheme wasn't dependent on the Commonwealth Games - you never know what promises were made behind closed doors.

Steve Ferns
7 Posted 07/09/2017 at 12:53:05
Everton have said it will make no difference – according to the news Bulletin on Radio City.
Mike Hughes
9 Posted 07/09/2017 at 13:08:17
Positives –- no need for a running track incorporated into the design; potentially better atmosphere due to football-specific use / layout etc.
Garry Corgan
10 Posted 07/09/2017 at 14:38:30
Swings and roundabouts. I can’t help thinking the momentum of a Liverpool Commonwealth Games would have helped push the stadium project forward.

On the other hand, if it does get off the ground without the games at least we shouldn’t need to install an athletics track in any form.

Alan J Thompson
11 Posted 07/09/2017 at 16:07:48
Should have gone to London which had the infrastructure from the Olympics and would have worried only West Ham in the Championship. After all, London gets everything else.
Rudi Coote
12 Posted 07/09/2017 at 16:10:25
Kiss the new stadium goodbye...
Phil Walling
13 Posted 07/09/2017 at 16:25:23
The negative is that this news extends, nay removes, the deadline for the stadium to be completed.

If, as stated above, no less than £500M was to be awarded towards infrastructure costs, it's loss starts to make the cost to the Club sound prohibitive.

Thus, 2025-2030 begins to seem a more achievable time frame for completion as bad luck continues to haunt the project. Then, it's always 'tomorrow'.

James Hughes
14 Posted 07/09/2017 at 16:38:03
I thought the preferred host city wasn't being announced until next week. B'Ham released only on Monday, 22 reasons why they should be chosen and observers wanted to why we hadn't done the same.
Simon Smith
15 Posted 07/09/2017 at 16:50:15
People always moan about not enough major sporting events being held in the middle of the country to allow better access to all, so maybe no great loss it going to Birmingham depending on meeting certain conditions.

How many times have some of us complained about the semi finals being played at Wembley when it would make more sense to play it somewhere like Villa Park.

But have to agree with some here that I hope it doesn't hamper our stadium plans.

Dermot Byrne
16 Posted 07/09/2017 at 16:52:29
Pity for the City.
Brian Williams
17 Posted 07/09/2017 at 17:15:31
Is it not the case that Birmingham has only won the vote to be the UK's preferred city? I think there are other countries' cities bidding to hold the games, Canada being one of them, so it may not be Birmingham either if I've understood correctly.
Tony Marsh
18 Posted 07/09/2017 at 17:20:10
Kings Dock 2 here we come. I've been worried for weeks now about the lack of movement at The Bramley-Moore site. Definitely won't happen now. This bombshell has blown Kenwright out of the water.

The council we were told were co-funding the project? We couldn't buy players before selling Lukaku so how can we afford to build a £500 million arena? Here's were Moshiri gets found out. I can just see that new tier on the Park End stand as I am writing this... Jeez.

More embarrassing times ahead I'm afraid. Kopites already hammering me on text. The club have just basically said the ground wont be built any time soon. Only at Everton, FFS!!!

Kenwright out once again for the hundredth time.

Andy Meighan
19 Posted 07/09/2017 at 17:49:51
Call me a cynic but am I getting the feint whiff of a long-tailed fella here? Wouldn't be the first time...
Liam Reilly
20 Posted 07/09/2017 at 18:17:48
The infrastructure costs are sizable, so not sure how the plans are unaffected.

Still we'll wait for a sound bite from Goodison.

Paul Hughes
21 Posted 07/09/2017 at 18:18:13
Brian, yes Canada and Malaysia in the hat as well, I believe. My view is as least we've removed any uncertainty.
Jay Harris
22 Posted 07/09/2017 at 18:32:27
It does mean the financing of the stadium will have to be revised which will push the timescale back and may reduce the scale of the proposal ie, 50,000 instead of 60,000 capacity – but that is only speculation at this stage.
Harry Wallace
23 Posted 07/09/2017 at 18:33:49
Simply not true, Jay. It does not impact funding, timings or capacity.
Steavey Buckley
24 Posted 07/09/2017 at 18:48:20
I am under the impression the building of the new stadium would be financed by LCC in the same way Finch Farm training ground is or was.
Lyndon Lloyd
25 Posted 07/09/2017 at 19:07:51
Tony (18), the council were never "co-funding" the stadium, merely providing the lending vehicle by which the construction would be paid for. The Commonwealth Games announcement should have no real bearing on the prospects of Bramley-Moore going ahead apart, perhaps, from removing the complexities of having to accommodate a temporary running track for 2022.

The silence around the ground proposal is natural as we're in between the announcement over an agreement to acquire the land, outlining of funding, etc and the next stage which is designs and plans. None of this stuff happens quickly.

Eugene Ruane
26 Posted 07/09/2017 at 19:24:35
Well obviously I hope we're not (adversely) affected and yes I suppose money into the city etc would have been good (well..in that way we're always told it is) (but without anyone knocking on your door with an an envelope - "500 nicker lad, Commonwealth games money, your cut").

But to be honest, I see the actual games as a nonsense.

I remember watching an hour or so of coverage when it was held in Glasgow and thinking this looks like a really professionally done school sports day (nothing against Glasgow, one of my fave cities).

Just rather...tatty.

Plus the whole thing is imo staggeringly unfair.

"And the Democratic Republic of Niazululand, formerly Belgian Povland don't actually hav access to a swimming pool so have to train in a tin bathtub."

The money home nations/Canada/Aussies have (and spend) compared to most of the competing 'nations' is a fucking joke.

Seriously, how many Velodromes do you think there are in Sarawak or Sabah or The Turks & Caicos Islands?

All me arse, 'The last Vapours Of The Empire Games' we might as well call it.

Just an opinion.

Up the Toffees!

Ian Hollingworth
27 Posted 07/09/2017 at 19:28:16
I think we could be about to see if Mr Moshiri is the real deal or not.

Fingers crossed...

Phil Walling
28 Posted 07/09/2017 at 19:53:39
Lyndon, you wanna bet?
John Otway
29 Posted 07/09/2017 at 19:59:40
Lyndon. God bless you for constantly coming out and berating these dickheads with logic. Phil Walling. Just stump up the odds big man!!
Harry Wallace
30 Posted 07/09/2017 at 20:05:13
Steavey, the answer to your question is No. The council own Finch Farm and we rent it. We will pay for the stadium ourselves and the council will not rent it to us.

They merely provide security for the loan we are going to take out. If we cannot pay the bank, the council step in. So think of it like a parent signing a form for their child so they pay rent if the child doesn't.

Jason Bowen
31 Posted 07/09/2017 at 21:18:34
The stadium will obviously still go ahead but you can bet your bottom dollar it will not happen as fast! Or it will not encourage as much regeneration in the surrounding area like new roads, leisure, retail etc, it will slow the process right down.

I would of put up with a removable running track to get the bigger better deal myself.

Geoff Lambert
32 Posted 08/09/2017 at 00:12:34
East Lancs Road, here we come!!!!
Kieran Jones
33 Posted 08/09/2017 at 07:16:51
It's all good lads, No running track. Wait for full official announcement from Billy Boy, then you can have your moan! Until then CYOB, NSNO, and remember we support the best.

Tony Marsh
34 Posted 08/09/2017 at 07:42:31
Lyndon @ 25..

Yes, I know co-funding was not the correct wording but LCC were supposed to be helping us all the way with the scheme to re-build the docklands site. I wonder how keen the council will now be to get involved without the games?

I think securing the loan for us was only part of the deal. The infrastructure around that area is terrible and has been dilapidated for decades. There is nothing we can do there without LCC chipping in.

I really do fear the whole project will be put on the back burner while new revenue streams are sought. Moshiri to me is just a front man for Kenwright. I can't see Moshiri putting his money in. Even his super rich pal Usmanov is trying to bleed Arsenal for money to invest in the States.

In short, I think the Bramley-Moore stadium is doomed for the time being, if not indefinitely. Kenwright is a clown. Everything he touches goes to pot. How on earth can Muppets like Kenwright and Elstone be trusted with a scheme of this magnitude when they can't get transfer policies right? It's a joke.

Thomas Lennon
35 Posted 08/09/2017 at 10:49:20
As stated, Everton's stadium is entirely separate to the Commonwealth Games bid other than what would have been an enforced deadline. Everton were, in fact, subsidising the bid by building the main stadium with private money.

Engineers amongst us might like to hazard a guess as to whether it is more expensive to build to a tight deadline compared with more time to build – I suspect the former is the more expensive. Consequently, the stadium is more likely to be built rather than less.

Are the council likely to renege on the funding vehicle agreement? Probably not as they profit from the scheme. They thus also stand to benefit from cooperating in the planning, permissions etc. No problems there.

Loss of £500 million in infrastructure payments? I suspect that figure refers to the total cost of staging the Games (Glasgow cost £450 million). There might have been a bit of road repairing & rethinking of routing but the major developments in North Liverpool are going ahead for the new port. There was a lot to build for this bid besides the stadium (a floating swimming pool? Why?) and that is where most of it would have been spent.

The new stadium will make a new station just as attractive as it was before – especially when you consider all the other plans for the waterfront –cruise liner terminal, ten streets etc.

To conclude – the failed bid makes building our new stadium slightly cheaper if anything, and it may take a year or so longer to build but nothing is more sure than we need this stadium. As long as Moshiri is our owner, it will happen.

Steve Ferns
36 Posted 08/09/2017 at 10:53:28
There's still deadlines as the stadium is an essential part of Liverpool Waters. Peel even list the "World Class Waterfront Stadium" in a prominent position on it's website.

This is happening, guys – it's not another Kings Dock fiasco!

Derek Thomas
37 Posted 08/09/2017 at 11:17:53
Thomas Lennon; In these situations the 2 out of 3 principle applies; Speed, Cost, Quality - prioritise any 2 and it will affect the 3rd.

Quality + Speed = Cost.

Speed + Cheap = Potential Poor Quality.

Quality + Low Cost = May take time.

Any 2 from 3 - you pick

Eric Myles
38 Posted 08/09/2017 at 11:34:10
The main cost element affected by time is manpower costs. Shorter construction period means more direct labour and probably significant overtime costs. Productivity and quality can be compromised.

A longer construction period reduces direct labour costs but increases overhead costs (indirect manpower and other operating costs) which can be quite significant. On top of that, there is potential for material costs to increase (or decrease) due to inflation and market forces.

No one formula fits all; each project has to be assessed individually.

David McMullen
39 Posted 08/09/2017 at 15:17:55
Makes no odds to us; it would have only ever been a temporary event. It's a shame (Tory politics in play); let's move on and look forward to our new Bramley-Moore home.
David McMullen
40 Posted 08/09/2017 at 15:25:42
Kevin (#6) there was no Bramley-Moore station – it is Vauxhall station. I reckon it will go ahead because there was no reliance whatsoever on the Commonwealth Games bid. I think it was more of a reliance that our ground was built but Mayor Joe was saying it would go ahead regardless because of the future developments around there.

I don't know why people are being negative (from an Everton perspective) about the Commonwealth Games as hosting it was a side issue which would have been nice for the city; great to have our ground as the showpiece but sod them – we will rise above it.

Jay Harris
41 Posted 08/09/2017 at 16:09:43
Harry, I beg to disagree.

The loss of the games will have a significant effect on sponsorship and commercial investment in the area. Imagine the level of tourists that would attract hoteliers and restaurateurs etc.

I am sure some of this investment would have aided the stadium build; consequently, I believe there will now be a delay while they talk to other commercial investors and they may well scale down the capacity.

Marshy, sorry to correct you but I think you are thinking of Kroenke who is far from being Moshiri's mate. Usmanov is still trying to get a seat on the board and gets little benefit from his investment in Arsenal, unlike Kenwright's cronies.

Eugene Ruane
42 Posted 08/09/2017 at 16:58:04
Steve # 36 - "This is happening, guys – it's not another Kings Dock fiasco!"

It's one thing to tempt fate, but to kick it's teeth out, then drop your kecks and show it your arse, is begging for trouble.

Sean McCarthy
43 Posted 12/09/2017 at 15:36:44
I'll believe it when I'm sat in my seat at Bramley Moore!!!
This is Everton remember!!
Lev Vellene
44 Posted 12/09/2017 at 15:43:43
Sean (#43),

When you finally sit there, you'll become convinced you are dreaming and that it can't be real! The next match, you'll start to become convinced it will all slip into the river, drowning the best half of our current team in the process!

This is Everton, and Everton fans, remember!

:)

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