Tosun deal hangs in the balance

A player with no experience of how demanding and fast and physical the English league is could , and I say could not definite but could, take many months or games to get up and running and we are in a position where we simply don’t have time for another Sandro or Klaasen situation.

We are absolutely desperate for a guy or guys to come in and hit the ground running .

We need a transfer window akin to Moyes in January 2012 when he completely transformed the attacking options with Jelavic, Pienaar and Donovan.

One man is not enough.

I’d consider a loan enquiry for Sturridge and a move for Charlie Austin too , we need a brave physical player that holds the ball up and can find the net.

It’s one thing having a striker but who is reliable enough to supply him with the service?????

Can't afford a possible prospect we are so toothless up front I would add more names to that list so we have a plan B C and D.

King and Gray realistic options.

Austin is a sick note. He's out for a month or two (again) and stated some time ago that he wouldn't want to uproot his family from his home on the south coast where they are happy.

James (#12),

Josh King? From Bournemouth? The guy who has score 2 goals in 17 games? That's worse than Niasse's record. Last season was the only time he's reached double figures in a season.

Just an example , we won’t be going for Sturridge or Austin but for me we need more than one striker , we need to change the dynamic of our attack and simply signing Tosun and isolating him with no quality service or support will make not a blind bit of difference.

What if he gets injured/loses form/Gets sent off/needs support?

If we are to believe the press reports then we are worse off the field than on it

Everyone knows the huge windfall English teams have had of late, TV deal etc, plus a Billionaire takeover with us.

Football teams/businesses know we are desperate so their playing the game.

Everton either do a Chelsea or Man City and pay the cash or we stay with the likes of Stoke, Swansea and Newcastle and so on.

Which is it going to be Mr Moshiri?

We only ever confirm an interest when it's already been reported by every news outlet and/or the player has put pictures of himself on Instagram jetting over to the UK.

Besiktas are taking liberties, but if it's pay an extra £2 million or continue with the strikers we've got, then pay the bloody money!!

If you see anything in the media about purported interest in our players (Niasse) it's always a loan or derisory offer so why would anyone be surprised when the goal posts move when they're the selling club.

I'm surprised Besiktas have no interest in Niasse being part of the deal.

A striker badly needed, and no sign of a Plan B.

We play United and 30m of talent - Klaassen and Sandro - no where to be seen.

When will this bloke and his shit show be run out of town?

Get Tosun signed and then get onto a central midfielder (looks like N'Zonzi might stay at Sevilla) and a left back. The club could sell Mirallas, Besic and Schneiderlin to part fund the transfers and no supporter would blink. The only doubt would be whether anyone would sign them!

As for Klaasen, that is a complete mystery. Ajax captain and a Dutch international but cant even budge Tom and Benny from the squad. God knows how bad he must be playing in training not even to make the bench in this team.

If we have midfield or defensive targets lined up we need to move fast as this window will close sooner than we think and the time for protracted negotiations will visibly diminish with each passing day.

Also concur with your thoughts on Klaasen. Maybe the fact that Koeman has gone has had a negative effect on him. Who knows what promises he,was made by RK regarding his place in the team. Or it could just be that he has gone from being a big fish in a small pond,at Ajax, to being a minnow among the sharks in the Premier league where he has been exposed as being far from the player we thought we were getting.

All I can say to those in charge of the current signings, is get your finger out and get it sorted, fast!

Pretty nasty comment that which has no place on this site.

Certainly a mystery who is targeting these players. If it is Walsh and there's no plan B, then he needs to fall on his sword.

I doubt whether the player is at the root of all this, maybe I am wrong, but suspect greedy agents, and the Club (Besiktas) have got a whiff of Moshiri's Money and are milking it for what they can.

I would love to ban agents altogether, generally they are contributing towards the decadence of the Beautiful Game, which has been so for some time now.

As many have alluded, Turkish Clubs are known for protracting deals and moving the financial goalposts. Let's face it, initially it was reported a deal of 17-18 M Euros, then it went to GB Pounds, now it's up to £27-28M, we could get Dembele and another for that.

Also, as a few have said, he will need time to bed in; and may turn out to be like Klaassen and Sandro; looking the business via YouTube video; but not being able to hit a cow's arse with a certain stringed instrument.

I was suspicious from the start; but him going to London; when purportedly about to sign for us; is totally mystifying; echoes of Willian, who Tottenham brought over, put him through his medical; and Chelsea, with Mourinho at the helm; snatched him.

Criticise the past dealings by all means, but Bestikas are moving the goalposts here, let's not make stuff up to bash Walsh.

I can’t believe Everton, have not brought in someone to do this specific role, because it doesn’t look like it’s a role that suits are very own Tom Hagen!

It doesn’t matter who plays up front if you pick three defensive midfielders with limited creativity. It’s not even a good defensive tactic as you concede so much possession and momentum to the opposition that you’re bound to concede eventually. It may work for one game, perhaps even two, but you can’t sustain it as a medium term tactic.

You have to threaten the opposition. It’s basically ‘the best form of defence is attack’. If they’re occupied chasing runners like Bolasie, Lookman, Lennon etc. whilst attacking passes are played by creative midfielders then the pressure is taken off the defence.

* allegedly, of course.

In all honesty I am not too fussed if we fail to sign anybody this month. We only have 16 league games left. Despite the appalling imbalance the squad is just about strong enough to gather enough points to finish in the top half. Unless we are confident a signing will match our long term requirements I would keep the money until the summer when we will have more to choose from and perhaps more clubs interested in taking a few of our expensive duds.

I just hope somebody is as desperate for some of our players.

In the mean-time, sign a left-back please - more than one of you like.

I’ve never heard of tosun before so not a great loss but whatever we try we fail at. It’s embar pure and simple

Fact is that we don't know the ins and outs of our transfer dealings.

Granted we seem amateurish at times but we also seem pretty professional on other occasions (eg, 1st half of the summer transfer window just gone).

The new signings haven't worked out and it would be tantamount to criminal (in football terms) if we haven't lined up 3 or 4 possible striking options.

If we are truly ambitious, then we need to identify the players required and pay the going rate for them (which will be a lot of money for the quality we need).

If we carry on doing what we are doing, then please don't be surprised when we are competing mid-table with West Ham, Stoke, West Brom, Watford etc. Oh, and it won't matter who the manager is.

Moshiri is in charge. He owns the club. He appointed a Director of Football. We have a chief executive. We have a whole recruitment department. We employ agents and teams of lawyers.

But you're telling me, that a 72-year-old man, who has been extremely ill, gets involved and stops things happening? He's chairman, not CEO, not DoF, not an agent, not a lawyer. All Kenwright does is shake a few hands and say a few nice words.

This constant derision of the man has got to stop. He's not the owner any more. Stop scapegoating him.

He has lot to answer for the greatest living Evertonian.

That is total and complete nonsense. He’s the chairman for fucks sake, and you come on here and say he has nothing to do with the running of the club??!! He put Elstone in place, and has kept him in place. Staying on as Chairman he has continued to have a leading role with the club.

Can you give me an example of a major club, like Everton, being sold but the previous owner staying on as Chairman? And stop trotting out this nonsense about him being extremely ill. He’s been traveling around and sitting in the stands in both home and away matches. That “illness” line has been used for a few years now every time pressure starts being applied because of the poor performance on the pitch.

Although you are likely right to a large extent;, the parasite has his name to every good piece of news that comes out the club. His name is the first on every press release that the comms team release under the guise of players leaving and thanking the club etc.

He can't have it both ways. If he wants all the self gratitude he has to take account for the clubs failings as well.

Have you seen the wagebill for the back office? What about Moshiri's man, the Russian I think, he gets paid £370,000 a year. Moshiri is the one who kept Elstone in place, and Moshiri kept Kenwright in place. Elstone does most of the job you think Kenwright does. He is the CEO and he is the one who is at the club day in and day out. Kenwright is never there.

But attaching blame to him for the failings of the summer's transfer policy is absolutely ridiculous.

Your last paragraph. Do you mean like Allardyce?? Seems you're being a bit two faced, but maybe I'm wrong?

Fact is, Bill is the face of the club that's all. Sure, it makes my skin crawl to see him with his paws all over Moshiri in the Directors Box, giving it the whole "father hands it down to son" schtick – and I've never seen a man look as uncomfortable as Moshiri does when it happens – but that's all he does now, play the elder statesman, play at being the soul of the club.

My hope/guess is that Moshiri's in it for the long term. In the short term, he's interested in keeping us in the Premier League, that's about it. In the medium term, he's interested in us getting a new ground that doesn't bankrupt him. In the long term, he's interested in building us into a big commercial organisation that can compete in Europe and eventually be worth a big paper profit, or cashed in for a real profit.

Someone needs to be blamed for our summer cock-ups, but it ain't Bullshit Bill, king of the Boys Pen. He's got as much influence on our transfer business as we have on here.

Anyway, bring him over quickly or find somebody else. Don't ask me who that somebody else might be, I'm not the bloody Director of Football.

He said Tosun is a class striker, clinical finisher and was surprised the club would let him go before the summer but that Tosun has said his goodbyes and is in England already awaiting the deal to be rubber-stamped.

Then Martinez came in and ripped up the building that had been slowly going on over a number of years and said, "Right, we are going to play a style of Guardiola football that will thrill that doesn't need a defence, and will be brilliant at passing." The only problem with Martinez is that Guardiola's football is so so so much more that this, ask Brendan Rogers who tried to do this at Liverpool and ask Eddie Howe who is still trying to do this at Bournemouth. Plenty of flawed / fraud Guardiola Disciples but there is only one Guardiola.

Then came Koeman who's arrogance thought he could breeze into Everton, spend £200M and catch the next flight to Barcelona but, as with Moyes at Man Utd, Koeman will be picking up the pieces for years to come.

To be fair though to Koeman, he probably never really stood a chance, as it's not easy to dissemble a team that had been forced to pass sideways and backwards, claiming 70% possession each game, only to lose. It's hard to un-teach that type of football when they had been forced to do that for over two years under Martinez (the fraud). So on to Unsworth and now Allardyce, there is still an air of Martinez in this squad and, until that goes, we won't stand much of a chance of going forward.

I know fans are crying out for us to play a more expansive brand of football that thrills us all, but we have a young kid in Calvert-Lewin, who at just 19 has been asked to perform absolute miracles, and that's just not fair. Niasse is never going to be an option, so that then leaves us no other striking options. Yet when you look at Liverpool, they can constantly rotate Salah, Coutinho, Sturridge, Firminio, Mane, and even have the cheek to be able to send Origi out on loan.

So it's clear to see why Allardyce is playing a cautious brand of football because he just doesn't have the tools. It's okay fans saying, well at least blood some youth, but Allardyce's stay at Everton is determined by results, and if they don't come using more youth, then he will be gone at the end of the season, it's called a rock & a hard place. Let's get Cenk Tosun in first as a priority then, and we are going to need another striker from Dembele, Aubeyamang, Batshuayi, or Giroud to start the new season with.

There are loads of Managers out there that close up shop at the back and hope to nick a goal, Allardyce, Pullis, Moyes. There are also plenty of flawed Guardiola disciples like Martinez, Rogers, Howe, Marco Silva, who no one way and haven't got the foggiest how to adapt to changes in the game. Guardiola, Mourinho, Klopp have that ability, the rest are poor students of the game.

In hindsight, we can take a step back, Klassen one of Holland’s top talents at his previous club, Sandro a potential striker at a snip, Keane, Pickford future England backline, no one then was saying why have we signed so and so, but for whatever reason, it just has not worked out.

It is easy after the event to slate the signings, we needed a striker no question about that, that was a big failure not to land one, and to put our eggs in the Giroud basket instead of lining other options up.

I agree with another poster, get Dembale in, the price is low and cannot see anything but good coming out of this, if Tosun signs, that’s two strikers we badly need in the squad,

I am sure we could offload some and in the same breath, make room to register Luke Garbutt who is a natural left footer and could fill the gap, give the guy a run out, if it does not fix the issue, then get a left back in, later in January.

All in all, we need a striker or two brought in as a top priority, then see where we can fix other areas.

The results speak for themselves, well documented by all and sundry on here. No replacement LB, no striker, too many of the same type of player bought.

The man may love the club but he is not fit to run it. Being a successful theatre producer does not equate to club owner. It is not just on the pitch we have failed, it is off it.

It seems to that we have not had a long term strategy or targets and we have bumbled and stumbled along since 1999. Moyes stayed too long, then we hire over-hyped managers. Where was the oversight and objective.

Our kit deals, sponsorship and general marketing have been poor, so yes, I blame Bill for that as well.

Bless him, he is one of us but he was out of skill set and depth.

Heres hoping that Cenk if he does sign becomes an Everton great and is joined by at least one good left back.

The only Moyes defender he dropped was Distin, who was utter shite at the time, making terrible errors every game. The guy went on the fail establish himself in Bournemouth's team the following season. He was obviously finished.

Martinez may have signed Alcaraz and Mori but he also signed Holgate who looks a player in the making.

Klassen
Bescis
Mirallas
Lennon
Schneiderlin

And bringing in:

Arda Turan
Tosun
Nzonzi
Andre Schurrle

Come on,,,,,,,,,,I can dream :)

Our midfielders take unmerciful stick on this site when the reality is soft arse has left them with nobody in attack. The ball just keeps coming back.

All that’s been said on here shows the passion and care of Evertonians, and if the team played with an ounce of this passion, we might just see som3 endeavour and shots on goal.

Hoping for the biggest shock in recent Derby history on Friday.

One for Eugene or John Daly there.

We had a 3 month spell from October 24th until January 24th where we only lost twice, winning 7 and drawing 7 games in all competitions. Our biggest problem at the time was converting total domination of the game into a win. Oh to have such problems now.

We were sitting 8th up until the February, a position that is now suddenly seen as about right when at the time it was seen as complete under-achievement largely due to Martinez talking us up and claiming we could get Champions League football.

We finished 11th in a league campaign where would have needed 61 points just to finish 9th. A points total that got Moyes Champions League football and he seldom achieved any more than this in his other 10 seasons at the club. Surpassing it, I think twice?

Made it to both domestic cup semi's. A feat that we havent achieved in decades and wont do again for at least as long I suspect. Losing to the eventual winners both times. Once in injury-time against the run of play and the other where we surrended the aggregate lead thanks to a goal set up from off the pitch entirely.

I would happily trade the last 2 seasons of utterly depressing, boring, mind-numbing and meaningless dross for the excitement, anticipation and even ultimate catastrophic failure of Martinez's final season. I think 'fraud' is a bit harsh.

As for Lennon, he can't take on and beat anyone, but he has won us a few penalties so he's only partially useless.

His sides were unfit, weak, had a soft center, and were one of the easiest teams to play against I've ever seen.

They were also disorganised, couldn't defend, were too nice, mentally suspect, had an extremely predictable pattern of play, and were one of the easiest teams in the division to hit on the counter.

He should have been dismissed immediately after the second 4 - 0 at Anfield. If left in charge he would have relegated us, without a doubt.

He was abysmal.

It was better than I have had to watch this season though. With Barkley, Lukaku and Coleman to watch there was always a glimmer of hope in attack.

That’s been taken away from us.