Updated Talk of Gylfi Sigurdsson's proposed move to join Everton intensified on Saturday after he reportedly asked to speak to the Blues and was left out of Swansea's pre-season friendly against Birmingham.
Sigurdsson was back in training this week but the Welsh club announced that he would not play any part in the trip to St Andrews ("due to ongoing transfer speculation"), prompting fresh suggestions that he could join Everton after weeks of links and speculation.
Everton have reportedly had two offers for the Icelandic international rebuffed this summer, the most recent believed to have been worth £40m with £5m in appearance-related add-ons.
"Everyone knows our interest in the player but I do not decide the financial terms," Blues boss Ronald Koeman said on Thursday. "It is up to the board to get an agreement with Swansea."
According to reports, Swansea are insisting that their £50m valuation of the former Tottenham player be met but MailOnline are reporting that, for the first time, Sigurdsson himself could start agitating for the move or is at least asking to hear what Everton have to offer. He feels that the Toffees are being held to ransom and that a fair offer for him has already been lodged.
That has been followed by rumours suggesting Sigurdsson is on Merseyside today discussing terms and that a deal for the 28-year-old could be close.
Meanwhile, The Mirror are suggesting that Everton are offering Swansea defender Callum Connolly as part exchange in the deal.
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1 Posted 29/07/2017 at 11:17:42
2 Posted 29/07/2017 at 11:30:26
3 Posted 29/07/2017 at 12:10:10
Someone has tweeted the Echo reporting seeing him in the Titanic today but you know how those things turn out. Might have been Riquelme!
4 Posted 29/07/2017 at 12:29:30
I hope that Sigurdsson signing doesn't mean less playing time for Tom Davies, for me our most talented midfield player. Obviously McCarthy and Besic are now surplus to requirements so hopefully they can be shipped out quickly. Also, seeing as he didn't play on Thursday I can't see Barry getting any game time.
But why wasn't our priority signing 2 top class strikers? Apart from Lukaku nobody else got more than 6 league goals. So we have sold him and Barkley to follow, plus we sent Valencia back to West Ham and thankfully shipped out Kone.
I think Thursday highlighted our lack of goalscoring options, and also showed that the days of Rooney leading the line are long gone. So I hope that we hear that in the 2 weeks left before the season starts we have brought in 2 quality strikers; otherwise, I worry were the goals will come from.
5 Posted 29/07/2017 at 12:46:45
We need to spend big to break into the top four and it will take time.
6 Posted 29/07/2017 at 13:42:55
He wants to come and play for us, get him signed before Thursday!
7 Posted 29/07/2017 at 13:48:22
8 Posted 29/07/2017 at 15:19:41
The player wants to move.
Swansea are prepared to let him leave (why else would they let him miss out on friendlies and the tour).
It's surely only a matter of time. With Rooney already here I would not be paying this much for Gylfi. But then I would not have bought Rooney.
I just hope that once this is done we turn more attention to the striker options. I would be very tempted to hijack Leicester's move for Iheanacho. He's strong and fast and has scored at around 1 in 3 for the last two seasons despite being subbed on or off in many of those games. He's also got 6 in 10 for the senior National team.
He's just had a bit more high level experience than Celtic's Dembele who would be another option. I also like Giroud but he's clearly not sure about what he wants and we could wait till Aug 31st to find he staying at Arsenal and we've missed other options.
9 Posted 29/07/2017 at 15:19:44
10 Posted 29/07/2017 at 15:21:13
It definitely looks like we'll be playing a 4-3-3 next season and I base that on three things.
● The system we played last season (post January)
● The system we've played in pre-season hitherto
● The system Koeman used at Southampton.
So in such a formation, where does Sigurdsson play? Obviously not in the back 4, and I'd say also definitely not in the midfield 3 (for there we have:
Holding Mid Schneiderlin & Barry,
Ball Winner Gueye & McCarthy;
Box-to-Box Klaassen & Davies).
So that just leaves the front 3. What are our options here?
Rooney & Sandro
And a New Striker (Koeman has said repeatedly in recent interviews he wants to bring another striker in. Anyone watching the match the other night knows too we need one. A target man probably to replace Lukaku.)
Mirallas, Bolasie (when fit, 2018)
Calvert-Lewin & Lookman (backup)
I am struggling to see how exactly he plays in the front 3. Perhaps Rooney on the left, the new centre-forward down the middle, and Sigurdsson on the right. No room for Sandro or Mirallas there though.
Thankfully, I think Barkley showed last season how Sigurdsson is going to have to operate in that front 3. Throughout the second half of last season, Koeman officially scrapped the Barkley attacking mid role behind the striker, and instead deployed him on the right of the front 3, but as more of a 'free role' to attack and create, providing he generally stuck to the right. And I think this is where Sigurdsson will play, on the right of the front 3 (but not a winger by any stretch of the imagination), as a general attacking player with extra freedom.
I'm sure Koeman has an idea in mind though.
11 Posted 29/07/2017 at 15:27:55
With that in mind, all Swansea would receive up front if we pay £45m with £5m in add-ons, is £35m due to Spurs' sell-on clause which I think is 5% making them £10m if my maths are correct.
Therefore we would have known this, making me think it's not really been about Swansea milkng us, as opposed to us trying it on and them rightfully holding out for their valuation.
Personally I thought we were past this. Haggling at this level is basically gambling, giving other teams a window as well as maybe, making the player himself feel less valued and wanted.
12 Posted 29/07/2017 at 15:36:28
Apparently we're getting a pretty versatile player. For Swansea, apparently he's played wide right, wide left, central, Number 10, and 'false Number 9' whatever one of those might be. It's been pretty widely covered in a fair few articles during this drawn out affair.
He's also a captain, so another leader on the pitch with bags of Premier league experience.
So I think he will fit in okay, providing he signs of course. Maybe wide left with Rooney on the right and Klaassen in front of Schneiderlin and Gueye, and a centre forward, either Sandro, or someone else.
Should be interesting.
13 Posted 29/07/2017 at 15:45:53
I think Koeman wants goalscorers and creators who can move about and pull defenders out of position which Rooney, Sigurdsson and Sandro are all capable of.
We have lacked that movement up front in the past.
14 Posted 29/07/2017 at 15:48:36
Just watched Enable win at Ascot Everton to enable this transfer asap...
By the way, I doubt the Titanic sighting - Ice and the Titanic don't mix too well or is that an omen?
15 Posted 29/07/2017 at 15:51:40
Before people shout me down that it's not my money and we are supporters and not bean counters, I completely agree. However we will only have a finite amount of money to spend and £50mil on Sigurdsson is in my opinion £50mil which could have been better spent elsewhere.
Williams is shocking and needs replacing. Holgate is not a right-back, Martina is on a par with Williams and it looks like Koeman doesn't fancy Kenny. We need a centre-forward and some width
Rightly or wrongly, I think Koeman will stick with Rooney and the two defensive midfielders. Klaassen is likely to play which suggests to me that Sigurdsson would play at the expense of Davies.
16 Posted 29/07/2017 at 16:05:11
If we want to break the top 6, we have to go into the season with more than one left back. And it's not as if Baines is getting any younger (he's 33 before the year is out), and we ought to start looking to secure his long-term successor.
And every penny we pay over the odds for Sigurdsson detracts from our budget elsewhere. Let's not get held to ransom. £40 million was too high £50 million is a joke.
17 Posted 29/07/2017 at 16:14:40
18 Posted 29/07/2017 at 16:15:24
Once he's over the line we can all get on and argue about the striker role. And a central defender. But please not Collins.
19 Posted 29/07/2017 at 16:21:04
20 Posted 29/07/2017 at 16:33:32
Sigurdsson ignored very good transfer offers before last season, as he wanted to help keep Swansea up, even signing a new contract to ensure they got good money if he'd eventually leave. They don't seem to feel very grateful, if a move now is his own wish...
21 Posted 29/07/2017 at 16:38:19
22 Posted 29/07/2017 at 17:13:10
It's like I have said before why spend millions on a right-back just for them to be warming the bench when Coleman is back before the end of the season?
As for a centre-forward, there ain't a lot of options out there, but with Chelsea now favourites for Barkley why not swap deal for Batshuyia.
We could also go down the route of a loan considering the talented young lad we had to loan out to Anderlecht this season
23 Posted 29/07/2017 at 17:16:14
24 Posted 29/07/2017 at 17:18:13
I'd also like us to go for someone like Nathan Redmond. We need some pace on that left side.
25 Posted 29/07/2017 at 17:41:18
Can't believe we're willing to pay so much for him, and yet are haggling over the last £5m. Just pay them what they want and get the deal over the line. Koeman obviously wants him so let's get him.
I think he's overpriced but he is a terrific player and will improve us so I think he's worth the extra push to get.
Then we can concentrate on getting Giroud or Benteke in!
This is a new Everton an ambitious Everton.
26 Posted 29/07/2017 at 17:44:24
Let Sigurdsson go acknowledge to Swansea and tell them he wants the move. They won't risk unsettling him.
The balls in our court.
27 Posted 29/07/2017 at 17:51:25
28 Posted 29/07/2017 at 17:54:28
29 Posted 29/07/2017 at 17:55:26
You need more than 11 quality players. This way, they get rested for various competitions we will hopefully be going deep into!
Oh, and a huge Yes on hijacking Ihenacho. The kid is class, young and imho fit us like a glove!
30 Posted 29/07/2017 at 18:03:52
31 Posted 29/07/2017 at 18:05:50
32 Posted 29/07/2017 at 18:06:24
But it seams like Koeman has his transfer targets and has gone and got them and Sigurdsson was one of them so I guess he has a plan and that's why he's paid £6 million a year and I'm not. If the boss wants him, let's get him and see the plan.
33 Posted 29/07/2017 at 18:08:08
I agree with Sam, Iheancho has got something about him, young and hungry with a point to prove. He will develop further and Everton is the club he can become a great striker at.
It will be interesting to see who we sign
34 Posted 29/07/2017 at 18:11:53
It's messy this one.
35 Posted 29/07/2017 at 18:16:05
That was Sky Sports just now.
Got a feeling he will be ours very soon.
36 Posted 29/07/2017 at 18:32:13
We have had plenty of posters telling us we are a selling club.
Telling us we definitely won't be buying anyone until Barkley is sold.
37 Posted 29/07/2017 at 18:48:52
38 Posted 29/07/2017 at 18:54:50
I know Koeman is a huge fan, but you can't put square pegs in round holes. Baines has no competition at left back, we need a left-sided centre-back and a front man to replace Lukaku.
39 Posted 29/07/2017 at 19:02:45
See Lev (#18).
40 Posted 29/07/2017 at 19:07:57
41 Posted 29/07/2017 at 19:24:49
I just think we are paying double what he is worth. Every club in the Premier League has a budget and we are no different we don't have a bottomless pit of money.
There's other positions where we need strengthening and I just feel that we aren't spending our budget wisely.
I don't think fitting him into the team is that much of a problem as there will be a bit of squad rotation with all the extra games.
Kenny Keane Williams Baines
Schneiderlin Gana Klaassen
Sandro Rooney Sigurdsson
Kenny Keane Williams Baines
Rooney Sigurdsson Mirallas
Holgate Keane Williams
Lennon Schneiderlin Gana Baines
42 Posted 29/07/2017 at 19:25:56
43 Posted 29/07/2017 at 19:53:28
So if Koeman and Walsh want, say, Giroud, a left footed defender and Sigurdsson in that order, if the last one is signed first, then that's the way it will be.
It doesn't mean we don't want Giroud, who is away with Arsenal currently I think.
However, given the time and effort, not to mention the money being expended on Sigurdsson, it may be that Koeman and Walsh have a different view of the priority.
44 Posted 29/07/2017 at 19:57:33
The money we've spent thus far is the Lukaku money, the Chinese thingamajig money.
The first several signings were done pretty quick by our standards because we knew the money was coming in.
45 Posted 29/07/2017 at 20:00:44
46 Posted 29/07/2017 at 20:07:57
If there was ever any Premier League player not trying to grab the the cash, then we knew him as Sigurdsson last summer!
He single-handedly (footedly?) kept Swansea up, despite being wanted by club(s) probably willing to pay better than Swansea did! Everton were just uppity with a new 'owner' that hadn't really proved anything by that time, so why should he have moved to Everton just to see another below-6th placing?
Now we are finally showing intent, and like Williams already bought into as he was fading, the still very potent Sigurdsson now sees us as a worthwhile destination!
And let us not forget that Sigurdsson is not from Wales, or even Britain, at all! He's not a Swansea-version Barkley jumping his boyhood ship! So now at 27/28, he'll have to look closely at his options if he wants to win anything within the next few years!
47 Posted 29/07/2017 at 20:13:44
It's not like he's taken his ball home like Van Dijk or kicked the shit out of a team mate like Neymar.
According to reports, he reckons we've made a fair offer for him, so the club is taken care of. Reports also stating we've played this all above board and gone through the proper channels.
48 Posted 29/07/2017 at 20:29:22
Trouble is, when Leicester won the league, they had a one off set of circumstances that worked. The element of surprise, small squad of wonderful players who caught everyone unawares, focus on the league and no distractions, a wonderful man-manager, luck, and so on. We are looking at a different set of conditions.
I wonder if Koeman has the skill set to rotate, maintain team spirit, motivate, and select... or will the cracks begin to emerge as the pressure and stress build up.
Last season ,we got off to a surprisingly good start, only to quickly lose the rhythm with ultimately strategic changes for the League Cup, and some bad luck with injuries.
In some ways the early competition for the Europa League matches could help to give us an edge in the early games, and playing 5 of the top 6 in the opening 7 games could be a blessing in disguise and perhaps not be exactly what the organizers may have had in mind!
If we get off to a fast start and we are lucky with injuries, and the squad rotation can be managed, then we could be in for quite a ride. I am nervous about Ronald, but then again, one person who has been magnificent since he joined the Club has been Mr Moshiri. If Ronald is good enough for him then I find that comforting...
Still to go through the exit door with Barkley are Robles, Niasse, McCarthy? Lennon? which could recoup upwards of £50 mil, so the money angle in a hyper-inflated market doesn't worry me. In fact I think there is an underlying smartness behind the buying strategy thus far.
The investment in the younger players too, with the feeling that the U23s and Unsy are also an integral part of the whole playing structure is another source of confidence, without even mentioning the stadium plans, or the appointment of Steve Walsh.
This is Moshiri's game plan as much, if not more-so than Koeman's, and so far I think he has been just superb in all his dealings. If he further increases his asset holdings by being a super smart businessman, then very good too.
49 Posted 29/07/2017 at 20:29:32
50 Posted 29/07/2017 at 20:35:37
51 Posted 29/07/2017 at 20:35:45
52 Posted 29/07/2017 at 20:48:07
53 Posted 29/07/2017 at 21:07:21
54 Posted 29/07/2017 at 21:09:13
Yes, we still need 2 strikers, and a left sided defender (acting as both Baines and Williams cover/competition) and ideally a Winger.
55 Posted 29/07/2017 at 21:12:48
56 Posted 29/07/2017 at 21:19:52
In think there are a few players who will leave before the deadline, I couldn't really see the point of giving Mirallas a three year contract unless it was to keep his transfer fee high, I would much prefer to keep.
Aaron Lennon and sell Mirallas, we could get a good price for him or include him in a swap deal.
57 Posted 29/07/2017 at 21:26:13
58 Posted 29/07/2017 at 21:38:25
Every time Newcastle comes up on FIFA '17 he says, "Fat Spanish Waiter! He's terrible. Seriously he's awful!"
I've no idea where he picked up on that...
Sign Sigurdsson. Barkley's good as gone, and we need depth desperately as has been mentioned before. I'd have kept Barkley but that's a whole different matter not even worthy of discussion, as the writing seems to be on the wall.
59 Posted 29/07/2017 at 21:38:59
60 Posted 29/07/2017 at 21:42:10
I didn't realise it was "waiter"
61 Posted 29/07/2017 at 21:45:05
62 Posted 29/07/2017 at 22:04:24
If we pay their price then they will find that other clubs will do the same to them when they go shopping with their new wedge. They'll end up paying a whole lot more for his replacement(s), even if they find and go after a gem down in the bargain basement.
63 Posted 29/07/2017 at 22:30:58
64 Posted 29/07/2017 at 22:33:23
If we are going to pay all this money for him, surely we would need to buy an out-and-out centre-forward to get the best out of him and Rooney is definitely not the answer plus we would need to try and get more bodies in the box when we go forward which at times we are guilty of.
Also, if this comes off, it would probably push Davies down the pecking order which would be a bit unfair to the lad. I thought he was excellent for the most part last season he's got that bit of energy and drive that we lack at times.
65 Posted 29/07/2017 at 22:39:49
According to the press reports today, Everton have done everything by the book, not like Man Utd sending "Agent Pogba" to talk Big Gob into going to United. And him visiting Carrington while he was still our player etc.
Swansea are trying to maximise their profit, which they are entitled to do, and Everton are trying to buy Sigurdsson, which we are entitled to do.
66 Posted 29/07/2017 at 22:52:22
67 Posted 29/07/2017 at 22:54:49
One could see that the new strategy appears to be a ''Barcelona'' type approach, ie,. a patient passing build-up followed by the quick one-two to get someone in behind the defence. Alas, Everton do not have a Suarez, Neymar or Messi to get the goals but let's face it, that trio is exceptional.
Whilst Everton struggled to break down the Slovaks there were excuses that can be levelled at them but certainly after a few more games they are excuses that cannot be used in the event that results don't come as we expect.
The talent is there and the squad is deep so it is all down to Koeman and the players to bring home the goods.
68 Posted 29/07/2017 at 22:59:11
Once Baines trusts the player, despite his waning powers, Baines will find it much safer to cross the half way line and know he will be covered.
Sigurdsson will then have a decent decoy to bluff with and deliver from open play, or actually use Baines. It's structured and that's the telling part with Koeman, loves a cog in the machine that fella, hates the individual with the obvious exceptions of Messi etc.
The Dutch team he played in were very good, but they were extremely well structured too. That's why you here the word 'productivity' not 'creativity'. Creativity is similar but more loose, mercurial, on-the-fly sort of skill. Productivity to him are numbers and percentages.
He loves players who can execute that sort of thing, not so keen on flair. Ross, I believe isn't good enough regardless, is certainly not the type of lad Ron likes, ill-disciplined and often cited as unable to follow a plan. That's okay, but if your not following the plan you best be 'bringing it' every week.
Can't see a more fluid game this year even with better players. But I can see were Koeman is going with it all, structured and methodic.
Make sure your bring a book or Kindle to the game folks.
69 Posted 29/07/2017 at 23:01:27
On his record up to now I seriously doubt whether he does and I can envisage things going pear shaped very quickly.
70 Posted 29/07/2017 at 23:09:43
71 Posted 29/07/2017 at 23:11:04
I have no idea where he is going to play... attacking centre-mid?
72 Posted 29/07/2017 at 23:15:39
73 Posted 29/07/2017 at 23:16:47
And lastly, they say we're making a cheeky bid for Rhianna as our new toffee lady, which is probably the final piece of the jigsaw. Can't knock that Walsh fella, I never saw the Rhianna bid coming. Genius.
74 Posted 29/07/2017 at 23:24:21
75 Posted 29/07/2017 at 23:26:29
76 Posted 29/07/2017 at 23:27:46
Whatever you do don't join the Samaritans.
77 Posted 29/07/2017 at 23:32:54
78 Posted 29/07/2017 at 23:37:41
79 Posted 29/07/2017 at 23:41:51
80 Posted 29/07/2017 at 23:46:40
A steal at £9 million if it's right.
Contract running down maybe?
81 Posted 29/07/2017 at 23:58:45
82 Posted 29/07/2017 at 00:00:35
Tony, did you do what I think you did there? If so, towering post.
83 Posted 29/07/2017 at 00:01:32
Before he signed I hoped there was a really good non-playing angle to the deal; world-wide publicity, fleecing mega-bucks off Third World kids desperate to buy the shirt etc etc, but I'm still to be won over that he'll prove to be even a quarter of the player we sold way back.
Sigurdsson has a mega football brain that consistently connects with his feet, which would be a nice change for us. Signing him will be worth somewhere in the region of 20 goals, directly created or scored by him. His record in Wales spells this out. He's also not as averse as some in his shirt to trying to win back possession.
Lack of pace, if he has it (I don't know), can be safely accommodated in midfield. It's really only crucial that there's folk in defence and attack with real pace. That's something that our manager will know well given his own limitations in that department as he developed himself into one of Europe's finest ever defender/defensive-midfielders.
I just hope Mr Moshiri is listening to him and offering more yen after we sign Sigurdsson. "Net spend" will show the level of commitment to his own, spelt-out, 3-year "project".
84 Posted 30/07/2017 at 00:09:47
85 Posted 30/07/2017 at 01:04:40
86 Posted 30/07/2017 at 01:08:16
87 Posted 30/07/2017 at 01:31:29
I can't get over how many more signings we still need after the amount of new players we've got already.
88 Posted 30/07/2017 at 01:34:18
For a moment, I read that as 'and ideally a Wenger'. You had me scared there!
89 Posted 30/07/2017 at 02:24:56
Oh, how I wish I had some beans to spill occasionally... sorry, I did give my mate an ear-bashing for not asking!!
90 Posted 30/07/2017 at 02:50:09
Since when did Pienaar ever have any pace? Not one ounce, he was hard-working and disciplined in his area of the pitch. If there is to be a comparison with Sigurdsson it is exactly that.
Pienaar was slow to start and got slower the more he was kicked which was a lot. Yet this slow, physically weak South African covered Baines with no trouble. Sigurdsson should he play there would be a god send for Baines, from left midfield as stated.
But then again, Ron might play Ross there much more Cavalier
91 Posted 30/07/2017 at 02:59:13
I'd say Ron has the hair style for a roundhead, armed with a blundeoning mace and did you see the Cavaliers strip? Quality effort from them that was all frills and sashes. The badge you ask, a resplendent tower, crossed with two rapiers. The height of élan.
It took a adroit veritable tweet from yourself to capture what my verbose gob had tried to harness in a small novella!
Viva the Cavaliers!
92 Posted 30/07/2017 at 09:58:14
We remember the promises of 'pleasant surprises' which was little more than Earl Barrett and being taken roughly from behind by Peter Johnson; then Bill's good-natured but hopeless and deeply frustrating impotence and we are scared now that our current suitor will be another gobshite (this is where the metaphor runs out of steam).
We need to trust that things are improving big time with a chairman and manager who are of the highest standard. Yes, Koeman will run off to the glamorous Barça in a few years but he will leave us much improved and stronger: only a fool would expect anything else.
We're heading in the right direction and soon we will be going home with the Virgil Van Dijks rather than ten-to-twoers like Collins; have patience.
93 Posted 30/07/2017 at 12:45:25
94 Posted 30/07/2017 at 14:54:38
95 Posted 30/07/2017 at 16:02:30
96 Posted 30/07/2017 at 16:41:45
For what seems like an eternity the RS plus other "premiership top 4/6 teams" have spent millions, probably pushing in some cases Billions to buy players that "will bring the club more".
Our dear neighbours are a fine example. Regularly spending £100 million plus each season but much of their buys are failures (with them.) We regularly sell players who are good with us but poor with their new clubs, making us a healthy profit. I am sure this applies to many other clubs.
Now we seem to have a bit of money, so, in theory we will buy more players than we normally do, but maybe some may not reach the heights we hope they could do. Small steps up a big ladder, methinks.
97 Posted 30/07/2017 at 16:47:15
98 Posted 30/07/2017 at 17:39:34
99 Posted 30/07/2017 at 17:41:38
100 Posted 30/07/2017 at 17:43:00
101 Posted 30/07/2017 at 17:52:42
Certainly whoever replaces Lukaku has a lot to live up to and the money we eventually get for Barkley may not guarantee a replacement of his quality. Rooney to me is a sentimental vanity project of Chairman Kenwright's. We all want him to succeed but the obsession with Sigurdsson may prove costly in the extreme and may only serve to push to one side the likes of Davies and Dowell.
Certainly, Martina is no improvement on what we have seen of Holgate and Kenny and Coleman had better return quickly.
Whoever ends up on the roster, it will be up to Koeman to make them gel and give of their best. Up to now, I see little evidence that he is an inspiring, creative manager or much more than Moyes with more expensive not necessarily better players.
102 Posted 30/07/2017 at 18:12:58
103 Posted 30/07/2017 at 18:56:07
Koeman is to be congratulated in offloading some players but with the likes of Niasse still with us I am underwhelmed to date. I'll reserve my true concern until the close of the window and see what we do regarding Ross. If we get Sigurdsson, we'll be strong in midfield but will we see a marquee signing, a striker to take the breath away? I hope so. I can but dream
104 Posted 30/07/2017 at 22:36:56
105 Posted 30/07/2017 at 23:29:50
106 Posted 31/07/2017 at 03:52:46
107 Posted 31/07/2017 at 04:54:03
108 Posted 31/07/2017 at 05:22:42
And, as long as we get in a good striker and a good centre-back as well, I think we'll all be pretty happy. Well apart from Phil of course.
109 Posted 31/07/2017 at 10:46:01
Giroud and Reid. maybe... this would give me much more optimism for a top 4 / trophy challenge.
110 Posted 31/07/2017 at 19:03:31
Case closed allegedly!!!!
111 Posted 31/07/2017 at 19:17:28
112 Posted 31/07/2017 at 19:32:07
I confess I am not too disappointed but I wonder if Ronald will be pleased with the Board's handling of this?
113 Posted 31/07/2017 at 19:38:43
After pursuing a player all this time, having bids rejected where the valuations are not overly far apart, I'd be surprised if the clubs don't reach an agreement on a deal.
114 Posted 31/07/2017 at 19:42:03
115 Posted 31/07/2017 at 19:52:04
116 Posted 31/07/2017 at 20:02:30
117 Posted 31/07/2017 at 20:06:40
The player clearly wants to leave, see ya, Bye. I think he has been tapped up for months, as I've said.
118 Posted 31/07/2017 at 20:08:14
119 Posted 31/07/2017 at 20:26:06
That seems to be the latest news on the web about Sigurdsson, Jay.
120 Posted 31/07/2017 at 20:27:59
If this is true, then Sigurdsson goes on my blacklist.
121 Posted 31/07/2017 at 20:31:09
How true it is who knows, and why it should leak to one outlet, not a particularly reliable one, is equally strange.
122 Posted 31/07/2017 at 20:32:40
123 Posted 31/07/2017 at 20:37:03
124 Posted 31/07/2017 at 20:38:46
They may be anyway.
125 Posted 31/07/2017 at 20:40:13
Mind as long as Rooney or Sigurdsson or Klaassen isn't going to replace Tom Davies our most creative midfield player. I would play Gana Gueye in Schneiderlin's position and play Tom, Schneiderlin was surplus to requirements at Man Utd and I think he might find himself in the same position here.
Why you need 2 defensive midfield players at home beats me, maybe away at Man City and Chelsea and Man Utd he might be needed.
But lets be positive and pick players who want to get into the opponent's box and create something.
126 Posted 31/07/2017 at 20:44:42
On the one hand, I believe he is a talented player and he is the best player in their team. Those reasons had me accepting that, if we are bidding for him, then I hope we get the signing over with and he contributes for Everton.
But the complete lack of motivation from the player to actually seek a move, to better his career by challenging for titles and Europe as opposed to staying at a garbage club like Swansea who only hope to avoid relegation, that has me wanting to stay away from him. I don't want that type of player coming to Everton.
We need ambitious players. We need players who are always wanting to challenge themselves to be better and compete at a higher level than the previous season.
When I say 'higher level than the previous season' I don't mean just move to a bigger club. I mean they should be looking to improve themselves and what they compete for each season.
He seems perfectly happy to just stay at Swansea. That type of player won't move us forward. That's not leadership, it is not loyalty. It is apathy.
127 Posted 31/07/2017 at 20:47:33
The season starts in a couple of days and we still don't have our "main" target on board. This should've been sorted weeks ago.
128 Posted 31/07/2017 at 20:53:52
It would be a setback if he did an Arnautovic and used us to get a pay rise. If that's the case, it would seem that Sigurdsson is a player who isn't concerned about furthering his career and is happy to be a big fish in a small pond.
Until the Swansea Trust rumour is substantiated, I wouldn't give it too much thought. Wasn't there a similar rumour that Barkley was about to sign a new contract for us earlier in the summer?!
129 Posted 31/07/2017 at 21:01:06
130 Posted 31/07/2017 at 21:17:00
131 Posted 31/07/2017 at 21:35:03
132 Posted 31/07/2017 at 21:39:25
133 Posted 31/07/2017 at 22:10:37
If Gylfi really wants out, then it would appear Everton are the only club who wants him so it may be done very soon.
134 Posted 31/07/2017 at 22:11:35
135 Posted 31/07/2017 at 22:12:05
136 Posted 31/07/2017 at 22:14:34
137 Posted 31/07/2017 at 22:47:07
138 Posted 31/07/2017 at 23:36:58
I wouldn't want a poisonous twat like that at Goodison!
139 Posted 31/07/2017 at 23:52:08
I'm more concerned that Giroud may hold tight at Arsenal and we may begin to get desperate.
140 Posted 31/07/2017 at 23:58:06
141 Posted 31/07/2017 at 00:09:29
I agree that a new striker is paramount. I think Ron is going to try Rooney as a No 9, and as the season rolls on it will become clear that he cant play there any more. And if I'm wrong, great!! However, it's for this reason that I think we need two strikers.
By this point in this long, long saga, Sigurdsson can't possibly live up to his fee. However, if we do manage to land him he will give us something that we have been missing since the Pienaar/Arteta/Ossie days.
These lads could play these narrow wide mid positions and combine with fullbacks extremely effectively. The full backs could overlap/underlap knowing that they stood a more than decent chance of being played in, and at the right time with the right ball. They also chipped in with goals and provided balls/service for the front men and helped control the tempo of the play.
Baines hasn't had a settled or decent left sided partner for combination play since Pienaar. How long ago was the heavy defeat away to Arsenal in Martinez's first season? That game was the end of Pienaar. That's how long it is since we had an intelligent midfielder down that side. Coleman's not really had anyone settled either. I know we signed Bolasie, but your not exactly going to get the ball off him, are you?
Barkley was tried in these narrow-ish roles and has spluttered in them. It's one of the reasons I don't think he's top class, or anywhere near it. He doesn't understand the position. And he's an attacking mid!
So I do think that we definitely need someone like Sigurdsson. However, if we don't get at least one lad in up top that can act as a focal point, play with his back to goal and net, it will be a long season.
Some pace up there would be good as well. Someone who has those qualities will obviously cost a bomb. However, if we go with what we have up top right now we will be lightweight and have very little threat.
142 Posted 01/08/2017 at 00:17:08
And that sentiment is why Everton has been removed from the elite of the football world; we don't know what it means to have star players.Neymar, we wouldn't want him here would we? Alexis Sanchez, no way would we want a player like that at Goodison, right?
I mean, how dare a footballer, who's career will be very short lived compared to other professions, make the most of that limited career span and make it known they want to advance their career when they have a chance. What a crazy notion.
143 Posted 01/08/2017 at 00:49:59
144 Posted 01/08/2017 at 00:55:08
You really should read comments just a bit further up. That was posted a while ago and looks like bullshit. One it makes little sense; and two you also have Swansea's captain coming out and saying he expects him to go.
145 Posted 01/08/2017 at 01:48:02
He was by far our best player last season and is the reason we are still Premier League; he can be the difference between Everton having a good season and you breaking into the top four.
His attitude last season when all looked lost was fantastic and he deserves this move for that. I've always had a soft spot for Everton and this will be a brilliant move for both parties.
146 Posted 01/08/2017 at 04:54:55
The report did seem to be very informed but, as has been said, there has been no follow-up confirmation.
Hopefully this will be put to bed tomorrow.
147 Posted 01/08/2017 at 07:31:03
148 Posted 01/08/2017 at 07:31:27
Michael H, I wish Swansea all the best as it's a great little club. I hope you use the money wisely, maybe even make a cheeky bid for Coutinho?
149 Posted 01/08/2017 at 07:41:38
150 Posted 01/08/2017 at 07:47:03
151 Posted 01/08/2017 at 08:01:48
Seeing your opinion on Sigurdsson, suppose you feel the same about Barkley now he's agitating for a move?
152 Posted 01/08/2017 at 09:06:38
153 Posted 01/08/2017 at 09:19:30
154 Posted 01/08/2017 at 09:43:13
He must have given up politics!
155 Posted 01/08/2017 at 10:23:17
156 Posted 01/08/2017 at 12:58:49
One thing that was apparent was that we needed a striker, and we do, an out-and-out predator, for a couple of years until some of our fantastic army of young players burst forth and deliver the Champions League football.
157 Posted 01/08/2017 at 13:01:12
The team is still crying out for a speedy partner for Sandro and in time maybe Bolasie will be the man but, for now, it will be hit and miss with what they have. Gylfi could be a catalyst playing behind Sandro with Rooney in a different attacking system but Gylfi isn't here yet.
158 Posted 01/08/2017 at 13:45:07
159 Posted 01/08/2017 at 13:57:08
He's definitely going to play in the front three. That's due to where he's played so far in pre-season and the European game.
Let's see how he is playing in another 4 weeks when he should be up to full fitness / match practice. If he's off the pace then, that's when we can call him done.
There was some good signs shown in the games. I hope, and it's just a hope, that he will show more as he gets fitter.
160 Posted 01/08/2017 at 14:17:48
161 Posted 01/08/2017 at 15:14:43
162 Posted 01/08/2017 at 15:24:37
163 Posted 01/08/2017 at 15:31:59
164 Posted 01/08/2017 at 16:00:58
165 Posted 01/08/2017 at 16:06:24
The other thing: he knows a lot of the Under-20 / -21 lads, who play for us, the other factor that may sway things, is Steve Walsh, who brought him to Leicester, in the first place, and he knows Everton would play him. One of the main reasons he wants to leave: he has played for the Foxes, but mainly, off the bench!
166 Posted 01/08/2017 at 16:11:21
I think this is testament to the work he is putting in behind the scenes which makes me think, unless he's hoping to go in to acting when he finishes on the pitch, he's giving it his best shot and I appreciate that.
167 Posted 01/08/2017 at 16:28:02
Koeman makes some strange decisions on the pitch. Playing Calvert-Lewin on the wing is like playing with 10 men
And the last 3 weeks about made us look a little desperate in the transfer market. Why are we looking at buying another back up keeper when we have Stekelenburg? No one needs more than 2 keepers
A back up centre-back / left-back seems a waste as well. Much rather get a proper left back this year to take over from Baines and a centre back starter next year, or vice versa. We already have back up centre backs
The Sigurdsson thing is going on and on. I no longer care either way. And Giroud, good player that he is hardly is going to set the world alight.
2 more players please of the highest quality to add to the very good signings so far and let's get on with it
168 Posted 01/08/2017 at 20:19:21
They also say that reports of a new contract offer to Sigurdsson are 'wide of the mark'.
They've been on the ball with their reporting so far, so it seems the ball is with Everton.
169 Posted 01/08/2017 at 20:21:13
170 Posted 02/08/2017 at 06:26:58
I do, James. We could do with him now as it happens...
171 Posted 02/08/2017 at 10:59:55
Gosh, this is a saga and if he is indeed our main target, I'm not sure that the Board is acting now in a way which is consistent with that objective. Smacks of old Everton and, in the meantime, the creative hole in the side remains painfully obvious.
172 Posted 02/08/2017 at 11:07:20
173 Posted 02/08/2017 at 11:23:29
174 Posted 02/08/2017 at 12:57:07
I agree with Sam (#8).
175 Posted 02/08/2017 at 13:14:41
176 Posted 02/08/2017 at 13:21:51
I think we should move on from Sigurdsson now. Spend the money elsewhere. I would love us to get Belotti to replace Rom and Gray from Leicester.
177 Posted 02/08/2017 at 13:38:22
178 Posted 02/08/2017 at 13:41:08
Sounds like Sigurdsson will be ours by end of play tomorrow. Phew.
179 Posted 02/08/2017 at 13:45:09
He took part in open training this morning, but won't be playing on Saturday in their game against Sampdoria.
Clement is obviously getting twitchy about getting in his replacements and is open to a player as part of the deal. This must be getting back to the board at Swansea
180 Posted 02/08/2017 at 13:56:57
I'd like to see Rooney used as a playmaker just behind the forwards. I'm not too impressed with what I've seen of Klaassen so far, he's not a starter for me.
We have a decent squad with plenty of good players knocking on the door for first team action but, as I intimated, earlier we are just lacking that extra quality that might see us challenge a top 6 spot.
181 Posted 02/08/2017 at 14:12:53
182 Posted 02/08/2017 at 15:06:11
Lets get this one over the line but the most important signing will be a "quality" player to lead the line.
I don't know why we aren't in for Ineanecho, Dembele or Dzecko as Giroud seems to be hedging his bets while others are getting snapped up.
183 Posted 02/08/2017 at 15:09:13
184 Posted 02/08/2017 at 15:34:43
Klaassen looks pretty ordinary in the games I've seen... just my opinion, chaps, let's hope I'm wrong.
185 Posted 02/08/2017 at 15:44:34
Some games he really doesn't catch your eye and looks very average. One of his biggest assets is his mentality and I can imagine that in pre-season games that is not an asset on show. I think Koeman knows this and Klaassen will be starting in the Premier League (baring injury) to see if he can replicate his finest form there.
You can compare him a bit with Cahill in this respect; in some matches, Tim just didn't get in the right positions for one reason or another and in those matches he looked quite ordinary. Still, Cahill is my favourite Evertonian this millennium. By far. I really hope Klaassen will be equally effective.
186 Posted 02/08/2017 at 15:47:27
187 Posted 02/08/2017 at 16:00:07
Giroud would do a decent job for Everton at the right price.
188 Posted 03/08/2017 at 21:56:36
189 Posted 04/08/2017 at 18:10:11
We cant afford wasting time on one player with a "will he or won't he" attitude to sign, while other clubs are signing other competent strikers. Goals win games; defenders save them.
190 Posted 06/08/2017 at 02:46:41
If he signs, at £50mil this may just make or break Koeman.
191 Posted 06/08/2017 at 03:30:18
I wish we have other targets for the creative role but that player has to be highly rated by Koeman and Walsh too. For now, we can only try to recover from the sticker shock.
192 Posted 06/08/2017 at 06:31:22
Even at current prices, this is crazy money. I'm sure Koeman and Co have alternatives lined up if this falls through, hopefully from the highly publicized Italy trip by Walsh. Much better value to be found on the Continent.
193 Posted 06/08/2017 at 07:16:34
*for the further consideration of the Ross Out club members.
194 Posted 06/08/2017 at 07:32:45
I would be delighted if we spent the Sigrdsson £40m on a proper, fast winger. I actually marked Salah as such a player (grrr) before the window but someone else of that ilk.
And we need a striker. Giroud. Batshuayi. Bellotti. Demebele. Etc
195 Posted 06/08/2017 at 07:49:54
Sam, agreed. Would love us to get Giroud and/or Batshuayi. Although, if we get Giroud I doubt if he'll come until the deadline. He has all the power in this move. Bellotti I don't believe we could attract. Demebele, would be a gamble as he's only played in Scotland but for the prices we heard a little while ago would be a decent gamble I think. I'm seeing Welbeck links this morning, hopefully that is just paper talk.
Unfortunately it seems Koeman & Walsh have their hearts set on Giroud and Sigurdsson. If those fail I guess we can look forward to Sissoko on deadline day. Thankfully Valenica has already moved though!
196 Posted 06/08/2017 at 09:04:29
We definitely need a left back, a central defender or two and most important of all a top class fast deadly striker. Hopefully we already have these players lined up and they are not the players mentioned in the papers.
I think we will do well but we probably won't see the signs until a couple of months into the season. One thing is for sure and that is if we start games with Williams and jags against quality opposition we will lose.
197 Posted 06/08/2017 at 09:13:06
198 Posted 06/08/2017 at 09:20:41
I hope that In the next few weeks we find a striker that regularly produces the only stat in football that really matters – goals. That is troubling me far more than whether we should just play the kids, or beg a player who wants to leave to stay.
199 Posted 06/08/2017 at 09:25:53
200 Posted 06/08/2017 at 09:29:02
If (and its a big "if") he could get fully fit and stay clear of injury, I think he could be a very useful addition. He's strong, fast, good in the air and works very hard. He's only 26. But his injury issues and lack of Premier League goals obviously count against him.
201 Posted 06/08/2017 at 09:46:40
202 Posted 06/08/2017 at 09:57:19
Personally, I would find a place for young Davies. One thing is for certain, players are going to have to get used to being rotated. I think Schneiderlin, Klaassen, Sigurdsson and Davies would make a strong midfield (diamond) with Sandro and New Striker playing up front.
Gueye is a great player but we are stifling creativity playing him and Schneiderlin together, neither has Barry's range of passing and I'd like to see Davies play next to Schneiderlin. Rooney is clearly not the player he was. It's still early days but there can be no sentiment, and he must be benched if others are performing better.
The concern with Sigurdsson is that his pre-season has been destroyed by this transfer saga. He has played half a match of Swansea's first friendly. I was hoping that we would have him in time for the Seville match but that's clearly not happening. He is a fit lad and fantastic professional so maybe it won't be as much of an issue for him as it would be for others.
It will certainly take several games for the team to gel, but I think we will be a match for most when we do.
203 Posted 06/08/2017 at 10:59:47
Barkley will not be sold on the cheap, especially to Spurs.
204 Posted 06/08/2017 at 11:10:37
Swansea have shown themselves to be pig-headed as I think this situation is them worse than it is us.
205 Posted 06/08/2017 at 11:18:06
Also, do you have any information about Kenwright's alleged interference? Although as Chairman, he is well within his rights to do that.
Based on past performance, I would surmise that there is a real issue with this negotiation and I would suspect that the issue would be Kenwright, but I have no hard information to back that up.
206 Posted 06/08/2017 at 11:18:19
Where did you hear that?
207 Posted 06/08/2017 at 11:27:23
As Bobby Mallon indicated in another thread, it seems we have only ever won trophies with a manager who has played for the blues.
208 Posted 06/08/2017 at 11:32:23
209 Posted 06/08/2017 at 11:47:51
I suspect Koeman wanted Sigurdsson all along and had very little interest in Rooney, but was told Rooney was coming and that he had to accept it. Kenwright probably views Rooney as the cheaper alternative and knows that Rooney may struggle to get in the team with Sigurdsson's arrival.
If you're going to pay a manager £6 million a year then you had better trust his judgement on players. This is threatening to destabilise what has been a very productive summer.
210 Posted 06/08/2017 at 11:50:37
211 Posted 06/08/2017 at 12:03:18
212 Posted 06/08/2017 at 12:16:21
Oliver. What a load of tosh. Open secret? Course it is. So open no one else has heard it. Except you.
Chris. Again, what a load of tosh. How do we know Rooney was lined up way before Koeman? Koeman was waxing lyrical about Rooney back on January and ever since he's signed. That's not a man talking about someone they don't want. We don't have a clue what the hold up is. Could be anything! I know. I think it's because Elvis is alive and Koeman wants him and not Sig. Just as believable as what your guessing at.
Seriously. Some people on here still surprise me. And not in a good way.
213 Posted 06/08/2017 at 12:16:37
One the reason's he left by 'mutual agreement' was for telling long-standing Valencia players to find new clubs. Sound familiar?
214 Posted 06/08/2017 at 12:23:03
Let's remain focussed people, The Sig will be here "soon".
215 Posted 06/08/2017 at 12:26:06
Does Rooney fit in with the type of players he has been recruiting? Pickford, Keane, Sandro, Klaassen, Onyekuru are all young and ambitious.
It's my suspicions, James. You don't know whether it's tosh any more than I know if it's true, but this forum is for discussion and debate. Nobody really knows what's going on but there really is no need for you to be so dismissive and borderline bloody rude.
216 Posted 06/08/2017 at 12:26:13
Yes, I believe I have a decent source like I'm sure a lot people do.
I'm told that apparently Spurs are due a percentage of any Sigurdsson fee which is why they want the £50 million. I have read this somewhere in the media also.
Everton / Kenwright / Moshiri are refusing to budge because they believe Spurs are and did have a word in our star players ear if you know what I mean. Kenwright is still hopeful Barkley will stay at Everton.
See my answer to Chris.
217 Posted 06/08/2017 at 12:26:20
218 Posted 06/08/2017 at 14:25:47
Oliver. So Mosh, etc won't pay the extra 5 million because it's going to Spurs because they've tapped up Barkley? Honestly?!? Just read that again and how daft that actually sounds.
John. Agreed. lol.
219 Posted 06/08/2017 at 14:34:56
I have never read so much tripe in my life.
Koeman is not leaving, Sigurson is coming but I'm more concerned about a Rom replacement be it Giroud, Dembele. Dzecko or at least hopefully that standard.
I think we missed the boat with Ineacho and Tammy Abrahams although both are relatively unproven in the Prem.
Just a side point Michael and Lyndon whats happened to the matchday post???
220 Posted 06/08/2017 at 17:05:30
221 Posted 06/08/2017 at 21:04:14
I believe that Kenwright was the main driving force to bring Rooney back to the club and I believe Koeman is playing the game... for now
Regards you thinking I'm a little daft, well you are entitled to your opinion, a lot of daft stuff goes in football like haggling over a couple of million for a £50 million pound transfer the manager has made very clear he wants!
As for your opinion regards. Didn't Koeman say he wanted him to stay?
222 Posted 07/08/2017 at 01:58:29
a lot of daft stuff goes in football like haggling over a couple of million for a £50 million transfer the manager has made very clear he wants! Agreed. But to say we won't pay the extra few million because Spurs will get it, well, as Jay Harris (#219) states I have never read so much tripe in my life. You do realise if we did offer £40+5m then Spurs would have got £4.5m out of that? You think if Spurs got £5m instead Mosh and Co would say hold on, not paying that extra £0.5m as they tapped up Barkley?
As for your opinion regards. Didn't Koeman say he wanted him to stay? I'll assume you meant Barkley? If so, I think he certainly heavily implied it as I do remember him saying 'we' wouldn't have offered him a contract if we didn't want him. Or words to that effect. But now Barkley has said no, Koeman has made it clear he won't play, the matter is closed and he'll be sold.
I don't doubt Kenwright was a driving force to bring Rooney back... but you really think we would have brought him back if Koeman had said he doesn't want him? Koeman playing the game. He's started Rooney in every game, waxed lyrical about him and said what a leader he is. That's not just playing the game.
Everything you know about Koeman and seen of him since he's been with us do you really think he's just playing the game with Rooney? Seriously? Doesn't make sense Oliver. Not one little bit. If it was Martinez then sure, I would be on board. But not with this fella.
223 Posted 07/08/2017 at 20:27:04
And yes, I think Koeman is playing the game with Rooney and other stuff also. He is quite clever, his recent comments that the club has really only spent £7 million because we sold Lukaku for £95 million, for me this is Koeman telling us what is really going on.
It is rumoured that Rooney has a guarantee that he will start at least 70% of games (and all home games) if fit to do so.
If this is true maybe Koeman is getting him games in early , we will see in time what happens.
Barkley: Koeman was asked recently if Ross was still at Everton after deadline day would he be considered for selection.
Yes he will be part of the first team group and will train with the first team , the rest is up to him, or something like this.
So I reckon you have got this wrong James, Koeman said Barkley would be sold 100% if he didn't sign the contract on offer, it's up to Kenwright and Co to sell him, not Koeman, although as I said, Kenwright wants Barkley to stay big time.
224 Posted 08/08/2017 at 08:52:59
225 Posted 08/08/2017 at 09:21:22
226 Posted 08/08/2017 at 09:50:13
So you're saying the Sig hold up is we won't pay the extra because Spurs would make £500k out of it and as they tapped up Barkley we're saying no? Even though with the previous bid they'd still get 4.5m? That's simply daft. There is obviously an issue, but for it to be that one? Nahhhh. Don't buy it. The more sensible view is that Mosh doesn't want to part with £50 mill for Sig and saw his absolute max as £45 mill so they are now trying to work something out.
We'll have to disagree over Rooney/Koeman. Still doesn't add up to me even though you've now come up with "It is rumoured that Rooney has a guarantee that he will start at least 70% of games ( and all home games ) if fit to do so.". Another rumour? Started by you? Seriously do you just make these up? Gold star for effort though.
You may well be right however on Barkley re Kenwright wanting him to stay. In fact, I would be surprised otherwise as we know from previous experience that's the case with Kenwright and local lads. And yes Koeman did say he'll be part of the first team training out of respect but he certainly never intimated that he'd play in any games. Not once. And yes he did say he'll 100% be sold as there is no business sense in running down a players contract in their final year hoping they'll sign even though they said they won't. You think Kenwright would have the power to say "Hey Mosh, let's just keep hold of Barkley as I'm sure he'll change his mind. £20-30m doesn't matter anyway if he doesn't? eh Mosh?" Time for another 'rumour' or 'it's an open secret' to back your post up Oliver.
If you were saying 'my gut feeling is' type scenario then fair enough. But your posts simply do not make any logical sense by backing them up with red top type rumours and-in the-knows.
227 Posted 08/08/2017 at 15:02:58
So why could it be that Moshiri maximum is £45 million? Koeman wants the player – right.
If I was Moshiri and I was aware that a club had tapped up my player (given that Moshiri doesn't particularly like Levy , another rumour) I would be doing all I could to give him sweet fuck-all. Now remember, our new guy is a billionaire.
I know you are not as easily convinced as I am James but Rooney was not getting a game at Man Utd and his reputation was and still is on a downward spiral. Rooney would never have signed for Everton without some guaranteed playing time – that doesn't seem unreasonable to me at all, forget all this "once a blue" bullshit. Rooney signing for Everton was all Kenwright.
You reckon Kenwright has no pull with Moshiri – who got him to the club? Yeah Moshiri won't listen to Kenwright.
Regards Barkley not getting a game, I guarantee you if he still the club after deadline day he will feature in the team ( providing he is respectful and is training well ).
228 Posted 08/08/2017 at 15:20:16
Let's sack Koeman and go for a proven replacement.
Welcome to the hot seat Rhino. 😁
229 Posted 08/08/2017 at 16:20:59
230 Posted 08/08/2017 at 16:38:49
Does the transfer window always slam shut?
231 Posted 08/08/2017 at 16:39:56
Consider two hypotheticals for some reason he's not sold in the next three weeks, and we don't get the Sigurdsson deal over the line. Both are quite possible.
Starting Saturday, we have a stretch of five games in 16 days. If we keep winning in the Europa League, there will be similar stretches to follow. So once Barkley's healthy, does Ronald leave him in the stands because he hasn't signed the new deal?
I doubt it. He'd still be a player under contract to Everton and still very much needed during those high-pressure periods. If nobody comes in for him and we don't get Sigurdsson, I see him playing.
232 Posted 08/08/2017 at 16:43:31
233 Posted 08/08/2017 at 16:45:37
Not that I'm paranoid or anything.
234 Posted 08/08/2017 at 16:48:04
235 Posted 08/08/2017 at 16:49:36
Iain Latchford: that would be a very Evertonian experience.
236 Posted 08/08/2017 at 16:52:07
I have heard Liverpool have bid for our new stadium site and are backed by Trump and BL Zebub.
237 Posted 08/08/2017 at 17:07:33
George Dubya will fill you in on that saying.
238 Posted 08/08/2017 at 17:29:53
239 Posted 08/08/2017 at 17:38:55
240 Posted 08/08/2017 at 17:41:49
I know I said he's not worth £50M.... Buy him Now!
241 Posted 08/08/2017 at 17:42:09
242 Posted 08/08/2017 at 17:51:09
243 Posted 08/08/2017 at 17:57:41
The PL mandarins have been working on child friendly, slow closing options so fingers don't get hurt.
Steps taken, are announcing well in advance the date it closes but this seems to escape some managers and Chairmen... hence the scrabbling about last minute. They have also taken to emailing the Sky transfer clock, the one that ticks away the seconds, to all clubs on a daily basis.
I understand they are also working on a new format for the elderly Chairmen, which sends regular reminders of the closing deadline in a dementia friendly way.
Very sorry... I am bored.
244 Posted 08/08/2017 at 18:45:54
Kenwright see's Rooney as Ross's replacement & Sandro as Lukaku's and will be loath to fork out for others. Why spend the clubs money when sales bankroll replacements rather than additions?
Apart from transfer reinvestment the club has spent what, £14m since Koeman arrived? He didn't sign up for that, he got that at Soton.
My gut feeling is that Koeman will walk if he loses out on Sigurdsson and the club fail to bring in the other three he wants.
245 Posted 08/08/2017 at 18:56:51
246 Posted 08/08/2017 at 19:00:17
247 Posted 08/08/2017 at 19:02:46
248 Posted 08/08/2017 at 19:13:59
It all just feels like the Dean Saunders saga all over again.
249 Posted 08/08/2017 at 19:24:10
250 Posted 08/08/2017 at 19:24:28
Also got drenched myself on the way home on Sunday.
From one drip to another
251 Posted 08/08/2017 at 20:38:11
252 Posted 08/08/2017 at 20:55:14
It's being reported that the two clubs are as little as £5m apart. This has dragged on for far too long. Sigurdsson won't be up to speed till nearly the end of August as it is let alone with all the fucking around that's going on. If they want him, just get him.
If Swansea are taking the piss then just tell them where to go and move on. All this messing around is doing no one any good. It's taking valuable time away from chasing other targets and making us look a bit foolish now, undoing all the good work done last month. We still need a striker, defender and a wide man too, this is only heading one way, down to deadline day and another string of disappointments.
I know it doesn't take Evertonians long to see the bad in situations (and to be fair we've had an awful lot of bad to contend with) but I actually believed we had turned a corner and started to display a mentality that we've been sadly lacking for many years. More fool me I guess.
It may all turn out okay (can hope I suppose) but the more likely scenario is that we piss around and end up with a Marcus Bent look alike, no playmaker and Barnsley's latest project. Very cynical I suppose but nothing I've seen over the last couple of weeks has done anything to deter me from that view. Let's hope I'm made to eat these words.
253 Posted 08/08/2017 at 21:00:41
254 Posted 08/08/2017 at 21:22:09
Kenwright desperately wants Barkley and Rooney to play together it's his dream.
255 Posted 08/08/2017 at 21:22:37
I'm not saying it's all Everton's fault but they either want him or they don't. It does nobody any good to let this drag on to transfer deadline day.
If it's a game of bluff then let's call Swansea's bluff and say we move on to other targets and let them deal with an unhappy player.
256 Posted 08/08/2017 at 22:34:08
It's an absolute joke and we are on the end of it.
Why can't somebody in the know make a statement.
I want Sigurdsson to join us, he's not worth £50m, but if that is the price in this current crazy world we live in, pay up or walk away.
If Moshiri is so committed to the cause, what has his personal indifferences against Levy got to do with it. If true it's not professional, and when Sigurdsson does join us, when is he going to be match fit for selection?
Absolute joke. We are being made to look a laughing stock, and I actually believe we are in respect of this Icelandic saga.
Rant over, but it's still embarrassing.
257 Posted 08/08/2017 at 22:57:32
258 Posted 08/08/2017 at 22:58:26
259 Posted 08/08/2017 at 23:01:53
Let's hope this is just nonsense and the deal is done before the weekend.
260 Posted 08/08/2017 at 23:08:48
261 Posted 08/08/2017 at 23:24:41
So why could it be that Moshiri's maximum is £45million? . It was a complete guess based on nothing. My point is that it could be anything but I'd wager it's much more complicated than us not wanting to give Spurs another £500k.
Rooney would never have signed for Everton without some guaranteed playing time that doesn't seem unreasonable to me at all Nor me. But to say he's guaranteed to play all home games and 70% of games is ludicrous. There would be nothing wrong to say "You'll start in my first xi and we'll see how we go but you have to work hard and play well" type scenario. But that's the same for most players.
You reckon Kenwright has no pull with Moshiri who got him to the club? Yeah Moshiri won't listen to Kenwright. Of course he has pull. But lets revisit. We won't pay the extra for Sig because Spurs get 500k. Yet we're willing to write off the money we could get for Barkley by keeping him? Spot the irony? You think that makes sense to a billionaire?
Regards Barkley not getting a game, I guarantee you if he still at the club after deadline day, he will feature in the team (providing he is respectful and is training well). I don't see it and find it unlikely from everything Koeman has said about Barkley. But we'll see on that one.
Mike (#231), I wouldn't be surprised if Barkley was still here to be honest. I would be surprised if Koeman played him though because Koeman isn't the type to back down. Plus what type of message does that send out? A player who wants to leave, won't sign a new contract but still plays? True, he's never actually said he won't play him but if you look back at the interviews he's all but said he won't play him. But then again he did say he'd be 100% sold!
262 Posted 08/08/2017 at 23:26:02
Not sure why the club would have increased their offer and 48 hours later reverted back to the original offer of £40 million.
I suspect that's paper talk, Kunal. Why would they do that? Even our board aren't that dumb.
263 Posted 09/08/2017 at 17:43:36
Can't we go for some up-and-coming Portugese playmaker with out stack of money, if we really need one? Why does it have to be Sigurdsson? £50mil, for someone called Siggy? Really?
264 Posted 09/08/2017 at 19:26:18
Absolute farce... we are being made to look fools, and once again I suspect Kenwright is behind all this.
Good business conducted at start of the window, then we revert to type, dithering, when he could have been part of the team and match-fit by now.
I despair... Koeman must be wondering what to say next, because when he does speak, it doesn't happen.
265 Posted 09/08/2017 at 19:30:27
266 Posted 12/08/2017 at 15:51:37
Just give him more Scouse already.
267 Posted 14/08/2017 at 10:59:25
268 Posted 14/08/2017 at 22:05:10
269 Posted 15/08/2017 at 20:08:18
270 Posted 15/08/2017 at 20:12:58
271 Posted 15/08/2017 at 20:13:43
And Barry to WBA.
272 Posted 15/08/2017 at 20:19:23
273 Posted 15/08/2017 at 20:24:06
274 Posted 15/08/2017 at 20:32:59
If that £5 million is needed for another deal to go through then the delay will have been worth it. The fact that we fought so hard, and hung Sigurdsson out to dry in the process, suggests that we have an absolute limit to our spending and every million counts.
We are far from free spending and that's very sensible.
I think once this one finally gets over the line others will quickly follow. Out and in.
275 Posted 16/08/2017 at 16:03:00
Looks like I may have to eat my words about BK and Moshiri (264), keeping their powder dry.
A pity it couldn't have been sorted a month ago. By now Sigurdsson would be match fit. However, I hope to see him starting a.s.a.p
Man City next Monday on the bench?, then a start in 2nd leg Europa League.
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