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Chelsea bid for Barkley rejected

| Tuesday, 29 August 2017  178 Comments  [Jump to last]
Chelsea have made the first move for Ross Barkley, offering £25m for the Everton midfielder but it has been knocked back according to reports.

Along with Tottenham Hotspur, the Champions have been linked with Barkley for much of the summer but groin surgery and then an operation to repair a damaged hamstring that will likely keep him sidelined until November have complicated any efforts to get a deal done.

The 23-year-old is out of contract next summer and has thus far not been moved to sign an extension to his current deal with Everton, leaving the club in danger of losing him for next to nothing next year.

The Blues are reportedly asking for £40m for Barkley and might be hoping to capitalise on Chelsea's failure thus far to sign Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain and their need to sign more homegrown players.



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Derek Knox
1 Posted 29/08/2017 at 22:14:25
Don't see how they could sign him at any price if he can't pass a medical, and won't be playing till November.
Colin Glassar
2 Posted 29/08/2017 at 22:20:17
I wonder if we will be soon asking, "where's the Barkley money, Bill?" I hope not.
Daniel B
3 Posted 29/08/2017 at 22:22:27
I'll drive him there free of charge..
Jim Potter
4 Posted 29/08/2017 at 22:23:49
Let's hope a bidding war ensews.

Spurs end up with his groin and Chelsea with his hamstring?

Jim Potter
5 Posted 29/08/2017 at 22:25:29
God knows who got his brain but they should hand it back.
Martin Mason
6 Posted 29/08/2017 at 22:30:03
This isn't good news for anybody because it means that he'll be going and at that price he'll be a snip. The ham string won't mean a medical fail because unless there's a serious underlying problem it'll heal.

Good luck Ross, I for one look forward to your making a massive success of it.

John Pierce
7 Posted 29/08/2017 at 22:36:42
I hope this open sore is cortorised quickly, 25m is plenty for a player who is injured and surplus to requirements.

With the transfer window ready to burst with precipitious moves should a big one go through getting this done might help us bring in other more far fetched targets.

Assuming the injury is not long term and the medicial info is there, players signing injured is not usually a problem I would think.

Christy Ring
8 Posted 29/08/2017 at 22:41:36
I believe, he's a huge loss to Everton, and Koeman didnt want him. Klaassen is more expensive?.?
Colin Glassar
9 Posted 29/08/2017 at 22:44:04
We'll sell him on Thursday then try and pull out all the stops to get a shithouse like sissoko. Of course we will fail but it's the trying that counts, isn't it?
James Stewart
10 Posted 29/08/2017 at 22:46:11
Oxlade Chamberlain, 1 year contract left and going for 35m to them so why on earth would we sell Barkley for any less than that!
James Marshall
11 Posted 29/08/2017 at 22:46:26
We don't, and won't miss him. I can't remember a single post on here ever remarking about how we miss Ross when he doesn't play.

I've always wanted him to succeed but it's never going to happen. At least not at Everton.

His contract is up in a year and he can walk away. Take the money & run.

Fran Mitchell
12 Posted 29/08/2017 at 22:51:01
25m is plenty for a player who is injured and surplus to requirements.

Surplus to requirements? How we could have done with him in the last couple of games.

At 25 million, when we see championship clubs bidding 18 million for Gayle from Newcastle, he is absolute bargain and we have seriously fucked this one up.

Lose Lukaku and Barkley in the same summer and have not one replacement for either? We needed players in addition to them.

At 25 million, which is basically nothing in today's market, i'd prefer him to rot in the reserves for a season and let him go for free.

Gordon White
13 Posted 29/08/2017 at 22:51:25
Next .
James Marshall
14 Posted 29/08/2017 at 22:53:17
Fran, with respect it's a good job you don't run a football club. There's not a board on the planet that would let a player walk for nothing, rather than take £25m!
John McGimpsey
15 Posted 29/08/2017 at 23:01:34
And boy how we have missed him, watching the very average crap we are being served up by very ordinary replacements.

Me, I hope he don't go, signs a 5-year contract as the tactical three-man defence genius will be gone in 18 months...
Andrew James
16 Posted 29/08/2017 at 23:27:42
This is a major cock up from start to finish. So we're going to lose the best youth player we've had since Wayne Rooney (sorry, Leon Osman, as you were a wonderful player for us) for next to nothing and he'll go become a bench warmer for a London club where he'll struggle.

Yet Chelsea are paying £35 million for Oxlade-Chamberlain who, while I like him, is not in the same league as Ross.

This has been managed so badly and I am not sure what to blame first – Barkley's judgement, the board or Ronald Koeman.

Fran Mitchell
17 Posted 29/08/2017 at 23:28:32
Indeed, James, I don't, but £25 million gets you what these days? Dwight Gayle and some change? For one of the top young English attacking midfield talents, to our apparent rivals?

Fuck that.

I'd still refuse. If he don't like it, it is reserve or U18 football for him and no World Cup. Or he can sign a contract and let us get a decent fee the feckin' git.

Andrew James
18 Posted 29/08/2017 at 23:35:02
@James Marshall

"We don't and won't miss him."

Looked liked we did every game I've seen this season. Stoke we squeezed by thanks to a good finish from Rooney. We had no attacking options at Man City once they went to 10 men and nothing in the box at Chelsea.

That's not to mention Europe. Say what you like about Ross but he creates chances.

James Marshall
19 Posted 29/08/2017 at 23:40:08
Andrew, the stats say you're right, but he still get's a LOT of stick on here week in, week out. It's clear that Ross doesn't want to stay at Everton (not signing a contract) so we really have little choice but to sell him now.

I wouldn't do what Fran suggests and hang onto him out of principle because he'll just leave for nothing next year anyway – like I said before, Ross has forced the clubs hand, and nobody can blame Everton for not trying to keep him.

On that basis it's time to sell.

Dick Fearon
20 Posted 29/08/2017 at 23:47:15
I do not like criticising fellow Twebbers but to suggest that Ross was not missed against Stoke CIty, Man City and Chelsea is silly.
Brian Williams
21 Posted 29/08/2017 at 23:58:52
Have to say watching our games against Ruzomberok and Split especially I couldn't help on more than a few occasions thinking "Fucks sake – Barkley'd have just powered past those two" or something similar when I saw our plodding "side, side, back, two-three." Ross has been very inconsistent but the more I watch games without him the more I'm seeing what we're missing.

Having said that, the board, manager, whoever shouldn't shoulder the blame for his leaving. He wants away, has refused the offered contract, end of story.

It's a shame because I think him, Sigurdsson, and this young kid from Split together (should the transfer materialize) could have provided the much needed creativity we're sadly lacking.

Andrew James
22 Posted 30/08/2017 at 00:11:52
@James

My concern is we don't know why he's not signed the contract. Is it because of these gangster rumours or due to Ronald Koeman? I am tempted to think it is Koeman given the way Mirallas is now on the exit list.

If Ross goes elsewhere on the cheap and excels, I will always want an explanation – something I'm not likely to ever get.

Mark Andersson
23 Posted 30/08/2017 at 00:24:03
We will never know, as I can't see Ross ever writing a kiss-and-tell all story, not even with a ghost writer. His mum will have to tell us...

On a serious note, it is a shame that we will loose Ross, for whatever reasons; thats football... Who needs TV drama when we have Everton FC and ToffeeWeb? Better scripts than any soap, more realistic characters from the club to the fans, pure entertainment is this footy soap opera!!

Don Alexander
24 Posted 30/08/2017 at 00:47:35
The facts of the matter are unarguable;

Ross Barkley doesn't want to sign a new and (presumably) improved contract. Next summer there's a World Cup and if he's any sort of professional (and put aside for a moment him being an alleged fan of Everton Football Club, who are investing in a new stadium, infrastructure and squad as well as being willing to boost his already vast wages) he should bust a gut to get enough games to get in the national squad.

The world should allegedly be his oyster by next summer. but who is even going to match what we're offering him? Who in Chelsea's or Spurs' midfields is he going to replace, seriously?

He has not "kicked on" in any way since he was a stripling teenager in my opinion. Frankly, to me he comes across as a wimp on the pitch, and that's such a shame given his size, speed and skill.

Somebody on TW recently described him as follows, in comparison to Gerrard The Red;

"One took to the pitch with the air of its owner, the other takes to the pitch with the air of a boy sneaking into his next-door neighbour's garden to try to retrieve his own ball!"

Exactly!

No top Premier League club will tolerate that from a regular pick and, frankly, I doubt any other Premier League club would offer him a new contract to improve on what he's rejected from us.

So, regrettably, for the club's sake he needs to be disposed of asap for the maximum fee we can conjure.

John Pierce
25 Posted 30/08/2017 at 01:05:33
Fran #15 'Top English talent' Who are you talking about? Barkley?

Last England Cap?
Last inclusion in an England squad?
He's 24 not 17, the term talent ran out on him years ago.
4 years in the first team at a respected but middling, not a top top Premier league club
Its been know for some time he's available for transfer but no a lot of offers eh?

We are flogging the deadest of horses, who is currently lame and we'd be lucky to get £25m for him.

Take it and look forward, he once was the future when we had no investment and little capital to service the club. He is now a symbol of the old Everton, hanging on a local lad to save the club either through performances on the field or our financial bacon off it.

Everton have moved on, so should we. This story has no happy ending.

Paul Holmes
26 Posted 30/08/2017 at 01:27:54
I forgot about Barkley until this thread was opened... says a lot about how good he really is!
Steve Ferns
27 Posted 30/08/2017 at 02:18:22
I'd rather he left for nothing. It'd be worth £25m just to play him this season. We can't replace him, no one else has his power, pace and technique.

We all know his flaws, but very few players can match his strengths, and certainly no-one else on our books. We've badly missed him already this season.
Ashley Roberts
28 Posted 30/08/2017 at 02:40:29
Well for everybody who has critisced Ross in the past, it seems as though the league champions who just run us off the park last weekend believe he has the talent to grace their team and for £25M; what a snip.

Spurs, who are also in the Champions League, supposedly want him. Cardiff want £30M for an unknown Championship player. It just puts in to perspective what we will be loosing. I cannot believe that anybody cannot see we have been missing his talent this season, along with Lukaku of course.

For me this is equally as disappointing as loosing Rooney all those years ago and I have strong belief that Ross will do very well at Chelsea and be a success in a ateam who are attack minded. I just hope Klassen can step up to the plate!!
Sean McCarthy
29 Posted 30/08/2017 at 03:04:39
Fran (#16) After that performance on Sunday, I think it's safe to say Chelsea are not "one of our rivals"!!

I'm bored with the whole Barkley saga. Never rated him and couldn't give a shit where he ends up as he'll be warming the bench more often than not.

David Barks
30 Posted 30/08/2017 at 03:07:18
Ashley,

But I would turn that around and instead say, can't you see what Lukaku and Barkley are saying? Lukaku criticized the lack of ambition. Barkley is refusing the sign on in order to move on to a place with more ambition.

These players are on the inside and have seen far more than we do every day, and they're saying "Thank you but no thank you. We are out of here, we are not fooled." Who honestly doesn't think that the players look at the lineup we put out at Chelsea and know the manager has no faith in their ability to go for a win. They see the same thing everyone else does, that at Everton it's a "hope you don't lose" mentality, not a "go out and win" mentality.

Mirallas apparently had the audacity to say something and was sent away. Lukaku criticized the lack of ambition and was slated to no end on these pages. Barkley said I'm not signing a new contract, I'm off to better places. Stones before them. But I'm sure that Friday morning some news about a new stadium will be floated and everyone will start jumping up and down celebrating watching a mid-table side in a shiny new stadium. Oh, and celebrating an Under 23's title, because youth success translates to senior success so many times.

James Watts
31 Posted 30/08/2017 at 03:32:09
David #29. I can understand some of your points. Whether they are correct or not is up for debate.

However, linking Mirallas into the ambition of the club debate is a bit daft. He said something because he wants to play but he's been dropped because he Isn't good enough. He's shown a poor attitude as a result. If Koeman is to be believed. Nothing to do with club ambition. Stones was really before Moshiri so should be disregarded also.

You're also disregarding players comments like Keane and Pickford who specifically said they joined us because we were ambitious.

The way I see it is we have made strides. Not big ones á la City but progress has been made but very much a work in progress. The biggest thing holding us back right now is Koeman's overly defensive tactics. It's on his shoulders right now, the 'don't lose mentality'.

David Barks
32 Posted 30/08/2017 at 05:06:22
James,

Pickford joined us from a relegated Sunderland and Keane from a bottom half of the table club. Compared to that, sure, call it ambitious.

What strides have we made exactly? When Moyes was here we were constantly between 5-7th in the table, finishing top 4 once and multiple trips to the Europa League. At the end of his time, we were playing very good football and had a very balanced team, just lacking the cash to get the top quality striker that could have made a massive difference.

Fast forward to five years later and we have many people on here, and you're one of them, trying to convince us that finishing 7th this season would somehow be acceptable. It is not acceptable. We're not progressing in any way shape or form. Our football is poor, very difficult to watch. We essentially go into every match to defend first and hope something works out.

We have a new owner, but we have sold our star striker and Barkley won't sign a contract, soon to be gone. Stones said adios before that. Every new signing goes on about how it was the right club for him, he's here to win things, the manager convinced him to sign blah blah blah. That's standard PR, they are all reading from a script. If you don't think so then check with the PR department at every single professional sports team. The more telling thing is when players won't stay, want to leave, and players of similar quality won't come.

We further away from the six clubs above us now than when Moyes was here. We've gone backwards, just as Arsenal have gone backward. They go on and on about the project. We don't have a damn senior striker. Did someone forget to include those pages of the project!!

James Watts
33 Posted 30/08/2017 at 06:20:30
David (#31).

Like I say, whether we've actually made progress or not is open to debate, one I'm happy to go in too. But all I was really saying was the Mirallas link was stretching it when talking about ambition as it has nothing to do with that. And I have no doubt the players are told what to say when signing. When pointing that out, I was merely showing there is another side of the coin. Whether the players believe it is conjecture in my opinion. Only they really know.

Lukaku made noise from the day he signed that we were a stepping stone, we were never going to be big enough for him no matter what. I have my own thoughts on Barkley but I don't think that's down to ambition. In his shoes would you rather play for a team progressing and start most games or go to a team where at best you'd be a bench player but may have a chance of winning a medal without contributing much?

The average position we finished when Moyes was here was 7th. When you look at pure stats, I can understand your view point as little progress has been made – that's where we are still.

But when you delve deeper it's not so cut and dry. When Moyes was in charge we didn't have 6 world class teams above us in the league, all with the ability to throw cash around like confetti if they chose too. Our first XI was the best of the rest, when injuries hit we were screwed. Now our first xi is the best of the rest (barring Koeman's tactical genius moves) and we have a bigger squad with more options barring a couple of positions, which will hopefully be rectified in the next 48 hours. And then there is the new stadium, U23s set-up and so on. That's progress for me.

I've never advocated once that 7th is acceptable this season. So not sure where you got that from? My line has always been progress will be higher than last season and a cup or two wins. I stand by that.

I would love us to win the Premier League and every thing else besides. But I'm realistic enough to know that ain't going to happen. Instead, I can see the progress that is being made on and off the pitch that will hopefully give us a fighting chance in the future.

How far into the future? That right now is down to Koeman. If he wins something this season, then brilliant; if he continues to flounder playing this boring arse football, then I suspect he'll be gone by the end of the season and someone else will have a go. And we start over.

But right now we're the 7th best team in England with the 7th best resources. It'll be no surprise if we finish 7th. And unless we get a miracle manager or a Usmanov type backer, it's unlikely to change much in the short term.

David Barks
34 Posted 30/08/2017 at 06:52:57
James,

You just said that you never said 7th is acceptable this season. Three paragraphs later you say it'll be no surprise if we finish 7th and unless we get a miracle manager or some other billionaire, it's unlikely to change. That is you saying very clearly you only expect 7th and to expect anything better is unreasonable. In their words, you're saying 7th is acceptable.

Will Mabon
35 Posted 30/08/2017 at 07:02:02
"But right now we're the 7th best team in England with the 7th best resources. It'll be no surprise if we finish 7th. And unless we get a miracle manager or a Usmanov type backer, it's unlikely to change much in the short term."

That's actually technically correct and borne out statistically... usually.

Occasionally, the maths are thwarted. By flair, endeavour, spirit, tactical nuance, luck, bravery, determination... all the unquantifiable things that make football the drug it is, the source of hope of seeing something out of the ordinary. It doesn't always deliver the cold hard results it should, but the intention is everything.

There are no stats for it but we all know when we're seeing it, and when we're not. We simply aren't right now. What we are seeing will get us nowhere.

We might not even match the maths – but no matter, we won't get relegated. In the absence of simply buying success, it would be nice though, to enjoy the football and have a little hope that we may finish higher than between 7th and 17th. At the moment, there's no hope even, of that. Not with Koeman playing it the way he is.

Christine Foster
36 Posted 30/08/2017 at 07:10:34
As of today, we are a mid table team without a complete playing staff and a set or recognisable first eleven. We are short in several departments with aging players and no real options for replacement or alternatives.

We have sold or let go nearly every single attacking player and forward we had and replaced with one. Lukaku, Kone, Deulofeu Valencia, with Barkley, Mirallas Lennon on their way out. We have Rooney on a free and Sigurdsson – that's it.

Not much of an improvement that I can see nor a plan!

James Watts
37 Posted 30/08/2017 at 07:21:53
David #33. Not at all. I'm saying it would be no surprise if we finish 7th, etc. I didn't say that's what I'd personally find acceptable. And I hope Moshiri doesn't either.

Taking all factors into account though David, can you really not see any progress within our club? I know your frustrated at the moment with Koeman and performances (who isn't it?!), but seriously? No progress at all?

Will #34 not argument from me fella on anything you state there. 100% agree.

Phil Sammon
38 Posted 30/08/2017 at 07:28:43
Last year Ross said he thinks his best position is up front. Got to be worth a punt. Can't believe we'd throw away such a talent a get in Okaka.
Mike Gaynes
39 Posted 30/08/2017 at 07:28:52
David and James, I'm another who has openly predicted a 7th place finish.

Personally I could find it acceptable... IF it comes with a Cup final or a Europa League semi.

And I think with our new depth and a striker by Thursday, it's quite possible.

James Watts
40 Posted 30/08/2017 at 07:31:46
Bit harsh that Christine (#35).

The recognisable first xi will come. We've got over half the team as new players. People need to settle. We've made a lot of changes, changes we had too but there has to be some bedding in time.

With the players we've let go, who would you have kept? Lukaku who wanted to leave. Del no choice. Barkley doesn't want to sign. Mirallas threw a wobbly. Lennon will probably stay. The others are complete dross anyway.

We've replaced them with Sandro, Rooney and Sigurdsson. Have Lookman, possibly the Croat kid and Bolasie to come back? With the exception of Lukaku, I'd call that progress and a good plan.

We still need more of course. No Lukaku replacement is an aberration but I maintain we're a better overall squad for what we've brought in so far to what we've shifted out. It's just down to Koeman now to sort them out.

Danny Broderick
41 Posted 30/08/2017 at 08:02:29
We are crying out for a striker. It's 1:50am in a nightclub and we are looking to cop off. I'd try to get Bony on loan, but we are scraping the barrel a bit now. Unless we pull off a blinder in the next 36 hours, we will probably be underwhelmed with our new striker to replace Lukaku...

I'm not bothered about Barkley going – he hasn't often looked like a £25 million player to me in the last few seasons, so I'm happy with £25 million.

Tony Abrahams
42 Posted 30/08/2017 at 08:20:53
Mike, I think loads of Evertonians could accept seventh, if they could see a bit of style coming into our play. Maybe it will come? But at the moment, I think that we are either trying to run (very slowly) before we can walk, or the manager just hasn't spent his money that wisely?

James Stewart, makes the point about Chamberlain going for £35 mill, with only one year left on his contract, so I expect Barkley, will eventually leave for around £30 Million.

I'm with the people who would like to see him (Barkley) in this new look Everton, all one touch passing, but no-one with any real drive to beat a man, and run forward with the ball.

Raymond Fox
43 Posted 30/08/2017 at 08:50:49
I'd make Barkley an improved contract offer, 3 years+.

He has his critics and faults, ok I know, but he also has ability that most of our squad don't posses.
If he's good enough for Chelsea and probably Spurs he's good enough for us!

Against that our 'exciting manager' has given him the cold shoulder, so perhaps my suggestion above is long odds on happening.

Andrew Ellams
44 Posted 30/08/2017 at 08:55:24
Colin @ 2, interesting that Koeman made a comment about needing to balance the books when he was asked about signing Vlasic from Hajduk Split. I have a feeling we are going to be left in a bit of a mess come Friday.
Paul Tran
45 Posted 30/08/2017 at 09:00:17
Missed him against Stoke? I missed him last season, when he was on the pitch.
Christine Foster
46 Posted 30/08/2017 at 09:10:09
Tony, I am with you on that, would like to see Barkley and Mirallas as well as a mobile hit man in the new look team. I just for the life of me cannot understand why it hasn't occurred to Barkley that he may be better off staying?

Interesting that no marks Chelsea (no less) want Barkley, clearly they see something that people on here don't. Says it all really. Barkley is a player you coach the best out of, not beat it out of him. For that matter I think Mirallas has knuckled down to criticism and come back fighting before, but I can well understand his frustration playing second fiddle to Kone, Lennon in fact anyone including the ball boy.

I think also Koeman is trying new tactical formations that do not include Mirallas or Barkley, not because they are going but because he has a view of what he wants and how he wants to play, at least I hope he does because you cannot keep losing people..

But personally I think Koeman is clearing the decks of EVERYONE who will not bow down to him but when is strength of purpose seen as arrogance ? At what point does anyone on the board say, hang about I am not so happy with this..

If Chelsea do get Barkley, he will become a far better player even if he sits on a bench for a while because he will be around better players with a manager who believes in getting the best out of players. And thats sad for Everton and for us because, like Rooney and Stones, Lukaku, he will chose to go and play for a club and a manager who believe in them and in which they can be happier.

So much for the jokers who dismiss him as a championship player isn't it? when the EPL champions come in for him. I suppose the retort will be good riddance or bench warmer, or idiots etc.. If we see Barkley picking up the Champions league trophy at the end of this season, what will you say then? What will the questions to Koeman be?? How much will he be worth then Bill?

Michael Lynch
47 Posted 30/08/2017 at 09:19:10
Sad to see a home-grown player leaving, but Chelsea would be a terrible move for him. He's got little chance of making an impact in that team, except for the odd League Cup game, or as a sub, or when they have a flu epidemic. Mind you, I can't see him getting much game time at Spurs either, until Dele starts agitating for a move.

If we can get near to £30m, then it's a great deal for us. Shame he never made it as an Evertonian, but it's hardly like when we lost Rooney. He was already fulfilling his potential and was clearly going to be a first choice for Man Utd and England for many years to come.

As others have said, Sigurdsson looks a definite upgrade on Ross.

Laurie Hartley
48 Posted 30/08/2017 at 09:44:33
I think Barkley has been poorly managed and played out of position by all of his Everton managers.

He can head the ball
He can play with his back to the goal and turn a man
He has a tremendous shot in both feet
He can get past a man going forward
He cannot tackle to save his life

Elephant in the room.

Laurie Hartley
49 Posted 30/08/2017 at 09:46:04
Oh - forgot to mention - he has a terrific first touch.
Derek Knox
50 Posted 30/08/2017 at 09:57:56
Laurie, re; Barkley

He can head the ball, usually to the opposition.
He has tremendous shot with both feet, usually high and wide.
He can get past a man going forward, then gives the ball away.

I like Barkley, don't get me wrong, but how long does he want to play the home grown player with potential card?

He has had long enough, to display that potential, if you're lucky, he plays a blinder every one in eight games, even then, he has little awareness of the players around him, beats about 5 players with ease then back-heels the ball, back to the opposition.

He has frustrated long enough for me, and as for being a true blue?

Sorry, if I have upset his admirers, but I am just stating what I have witnessed over the years, and I don't think I am alone with those views.

James Watts
51 Posted 30/08/2017 at 10:09:00
Andrew #43 interesting that Koeman made a comment about needing to balance the books when he was asked about signing Vlasic

Haven't seen anything myself? Have you got a link or can you post the quotes?

Tony Everan
52 Posted 30/08/2017 at 10:13:10
Come tomorrow , we will take what we can get. If it is 25m so be it.
It is better for all involved if he moves on and we can get some money for him to make our team stronger.
Tony Abrahams
53 Posted 30/08/2017 at 10:14:02
Christine, I think,it's a 50/50 which way it will go with Ross, but you are correct in saying that playing with better players should only improve him.

Koeman's style worries me, I watch Liverpool play the system with two players who can start wide, and then cut inside, but they have players steaming forward, in support.

I then watch Spurs play something similar, but they are more about Ali, getting past the forward, and their width coming from two fullbacks who are constantly bombing on.

I then watch Everton, who don't play with much width, and also very little forward movement at the minute.

We've signed some players, but we haven't signed enough though. 3 centre-backs make us solid, but because they are not good footballers, it also makes us very, very rigid. Easy to play against, we lack movement further up the pitch because our defenders can't come out with the ball.

If we don't sign another good forward, then I'm not sure how it's going to work, but going back to basics would help though, purely just to give us some genuine balance in the team.

I'm not saying Burnley will do great, but I bet you every single Burnley player knows his job though, which is something I'm not sure every Everton player does at the minute though?

A work in progress takes time, but people can only stay patient, once they can see what the manager is trying to do. Let's just hope Koeman can get in a forward to help his transition start to take a bit of shape.

Laurie Hartley
54 Posted 30/08/2017 at 10:14:18
Derek - just stating my view that to get the best out of Barkley's skill set I would play him as a centre forward.

None of our managers have been smart or daft enough to try that.

Bill Gienapp
55 Posted 30/08/2017 at 10:16:43
Methinks some people are wearing rose-colored glasses when it comes to Barkley. We could have used him against Chelsea? Like he wasn't on the pitch when we were hammered 5-0 last season?

Chelsea and Spurs see him as being worth a flier because he has ability, but if you think he's going to be nurtured at those clubs, think again. One or two typical Barkley performances - a few moments of quality mixed in with a lot of indecisive dithering and unforced errors - and Conte won't give him a second glance.

Christine (35) - it's not just Rooney and Sigurdsson, it's Sandro and Klaassen too, plus the continued ascension of youngsters like Calvert-Lewin and Lookman, with Bolasie returning and promising players like Onyekuru and (hopefully) Vlasic in the pipeline. That's a far superior collection of talent to the outgoing crop you listed, bar Lukaku.

Dermot Byrne
56 Posted 30/08/2017 at 10:21:51
The player wants to leave.

End.

Tony Marsh
57 Posted 30/08/2017 at 10:23:53
Let's pretend we are selling Ross to Chelsea for £25 million – would you trust Koeman with the money, based on his track record so far? If we take Pickford out of the equation, then the other signings are pretty grim.

I can see why Mourinhio let Schneiderlin and Rooney go as they are not fast enough for his side. We love a Manc reject though. Klaassen, Keane, Guye, Bolasie are all inconsistent plodders. The two players who were our only ball-carrying goal threats, Lukaku and Barkley, are gone.

What good is £25 Million anyway in this market? We need to spend at least £150 million just to replace Ross and Romelu. None of the other signings have improved the squad one bit.

Ian Jones
58 Posted 30/08/2017 at 10:31:10
With Chelsea, they are also short of a few English players to fill their quota, so will be keen on Ross as well as others such as Rose, Oxlade-Chamberlain and Drinkwater.

If he has to go anywhere, Spurs would be the one for him to progress

Phil Walling
59 Posted 30/08/2017 at 10:35:15
Love him or loathe him, we most certainly are seeing a less attractive and effective side without him. Siggy has managed to get us out of our armchairs with his wonder goal but apart from that one occurrence there has been nothing but slow predictable play in every game.

Sure he doesn't want to play for Koeman. I suspect he is the first of many !

James Marshall
60 Posted 30/08/2017 at 10:39:08
He seems to get a small amount of backing on here now. When he plays he's a liability most of the time. A passenger many times last year, and unreliable.

Yes he has ability, yes he makes chances, but he's useless without the ball. That and his all round inconsistencies are his downfall. I rate him as a talent, but I don't rate him as a footballer. He bottles out of tackles, and doesn't work hard enough to be a top player. I also doubt that he'll be able to hold down a regular spot in Chelsea or Spurs lineup.

There's a reason they're starting the bidding as low as £25m and it isn't just his contract situation.

Tony Abrahams
61 Posted 30/08/2017 at 10:40:01
Why the ! Phil? Surely one of your more sensible posts should have ended with a ?
Adam Luszniak
62 Posted 30/08/2017 at 10:42:40
He'll be sold, and rightly so as he no longer wants to play for the club. As to those comments above saying this is too little money for a player of his calibre; I couldn't agree more. Neither it seems could the club, as they rejected the bid!

Sell him and move on

Mark Tanton
63 Posted 30/08/2017 at 10:47:56
He won't sign a new contract and he'll walk for nothing next summer, so we'd better get him shipped out soon.

It's a dangerous game rejecting £25m – I don't think there's going to be a bidding war for him.

Joe O'Brien
64 Posted 30/08/2017 at 10:56:06
How does this work when he can't complete a medical? I'd take the £25m since he can sign a pre-contract agreement in January and walk for free next summer. I hope he goes to Chelsea; Levy, the tight arse, thought he'd get him for £15mil.
Trevor Peers
65 Posted 30/08/2017 at 11:04:25
Barkley played at Chelsea last season and was useless. We're missing Lukaku for sure, but Barkley? Do me a favour.

We need a striker, and more pace down the flanks – that has been the real story of missed opportunity this summer, so far.

Creative midfield looks a lot better, and stronger. But we're still only half a team without the missing striking options.

Tony Abrahams
66 Posted 30/08/2017 at 11:09:04
It was the same during Martinez's first season, Trevor. We looked poor and then we got Lukaku, Barry, and McCarthy, on deadline day, and nearly made the Champions League. I'm just praying for more of the same.
Brian Harrison
67 Posted 30/08/2017 at 11:13:12
I think Levy at Spurs is waiting to see what happens, will Chelsea increase their offer. All along Spurs has been where we believed he would end up, even Koeman said if anybody thinks they can make a silly offer on deadline day and hope to get him, they will be disappointed. That's exactly what Levy normally does but the Chelsea bid has thrown a spanner in that plan.

Spurs, like Chelsea, are now desperate to sign players, although maybe if Spurs is where Barkley wants to play, he can sit tight till January and sign a pre-agreement with Spurs.

But I am more concerned in our inability to sign a striker with proven track record – Dzeko or Costa – anybody else and it's just not going to work.

Bill Watson
68 Posted 30/08/2017 at 11:13:43
Derek (#49)

I couldn't agree more. If he goes to Chelsea or Spurs, he'll soon disappear without trace.

James Morgan
69 Posted 30/08/2017 at 11:34:03
We should just ask for £30m and get shut and use the money along with our nice £60m Chinese credit facility and go all out for a big name a la Belotti etc. It's amateurish that we've left our striker hunt this long plus the desperate need for a left side defender.

I imagine we will get two or three more in, I'm less convinced on what their quality will be though.

Ray Roche
70 Posted 30/08/2017 at 11:42:33
How do people on here know that we've left it too long? For all we know Walsh, Koeman,and the Tea Lady may have been trying to bring a striker in 24/7. We have no idea what goes on behind Finch Farm doors so let's stop all this "amateurish...'fucking Everton' 'dicking about'... 'embarrassing'... 'desperate', 'absolute disgrace' and other such OTT reactions to us apparently looking at a Watford reserve etc.

We have no idea... get it?

Brian Harrison
71 Posted 30/08/2017 at 12:03:33
Ray

You might be absolutely right, but with agents social media and players talking to journalists, as well as clubs using the media to buy and sell players. Then how come we have heard nothing about a striker or his club or agent being tapped up. I mean it was public knowledge for months that Koeman wanted Sigurdsson and every bid released through the press.

I hope like most Blues at the end of the window we end up with a striker that will help us achieve our top 4/6 position.

Kevin Tully
72 Posted 30/08/2017 at 12:14:39
Ray - I sincerely hope and pray you are bang on the money. After 23:00 hrs tomorrow, I want to see you post "I told you all, I knew we'd have a surprise addition (or three) in the background, and there was no need for anyone to go into panic mode!"

Otherwise, all this will have been proven correct: "amateurish...'fucking Everton' 'dicking about'...'embarrassing'...'desperate' 'absolute disgrace' and other such OTT reactions to us apparently looking at a Watford reserve etc.

Ray Roche
73 Posted 30/08/2017 at 12:19:11
Brian, true, we all knew about Sigurdsson, but towards the end of the window and with every bugger knowing that we need a striker, would it not be prudent to "keep your powder dry" and not say too much?

Kevin, I hope I'm right as well. But we don't know, do we, what goes on in the Manager's office? Agents bigging their client up to get a better deal by claiming that we want to sign him? Social Media guesswork? We'll see tomorrow...

Tim Wardrop
74 Posted 30/08/2017 at 12:20:11
Selling Ross is going to rank as one of the biggest mistakes the club has made in the last decade
Brian Williams
75 Posted 30/08/2017 at 12:21:30
No choice, Tim. He's refused an improved contract.
Michael Lynch
76 Posted 30/08/2017 at 12:24:53
Yes Tim, probably right up there with selling James Vaughan.

Anyway, Barkley wants to leave, so it's hardly a mistake selling him is it? Was it a mistake selling Lukaku? Should we have chained him to the bike shed at Finch Farm?

Jim Knightley
77 Posted 30/08/2017 at 12:25:12
Tim - you understand, surely, that he has refused to sign a new contract?

Lukaku got incessant stick for wanting to leave – but the club is to blame for Ross's departure?

Ross Barkley wants trophies and money – he can get them at Chelseai whilst playing as a bit-part player. He will rotate with the likes of Pedro and Willian. He could have started regularly for us.

We signed his replacement in Sigurdsson – he will go for –30-35M in the next 24 hours, especially as Chelsea look like they will miss out on Oxlade-Chamberlain, perhaps because they want him for a wingback role.

Like many on this forum, Barkley is impatient. And he thinks he is better than he is.

Carl Taylor
78 Posted 30/08/2017 at 12:39:31
Tim, we appointed Bobby Brown Shoes, bought Kone & Alcaraz, had a small club mentality every time we went to Analfield and never replaced the fight of Tim Cahill over the last decade. All much bigger mistakes than selling a player who doesn't want to play for us.
David Pearl
79 Posted 30/08/2017 at 13:13:44
If he stopped giving the ball away all the time he'd be world class. He can go either way from here.

However... I seem to remember him wanting to sign a new contract early last year and Koeman asking him to pick up his performances.

I'd much prefer him leave for another league. I'm sure we all wish him well whatever happens. Chelsea are desperate for an English signing!!

Tony J Williams
80 Posted 30/08/2017 at 13:15:11
It's amazing how much better of a player he becomes when not actually playing.

He hasn't signed, doesn't want to sign so we are buttfucked on the price we can ask for him.

I am actually amazed they have come in so high.

It seems that they want their homegrown numbers to swell, that's all.

Jim Knightley
81 Posted 30/08/2017 at 13:37:14
Why would Ross be world class exactly? I'm confused? He is only not world class because he gives the ball away?! Is that why top teams are lining up to sign him?

When in form, and in confidence, he is great against lesser teams that give him space and time. He habitually fails to impress in games in which he has less of these. He is too slow on the ball - far slower than the best playmakers in this division. He also isn't exactly a fantastic scorer - His best goal returns are 8 league goals, 6 league goals, and 5 league goals. It doesnt get close to the likes of Alli (18 last season) or Coutinho (13 last season), or even consistently to Sigurdsson (9 last season and 11 the one before).

So why is he world class? He doesnt create as many goals as the best in the division either. Look at the assist numbers boasted by the likes of Eriksen, Ozil, Fabregas etc, whose status as world class players is by no means certain. He doesn't score as many. He gives the ball away too much. He often makes bad decisions. He has long dry spells. He is not a tackler. His positioning often is wanting. He often appears as a square peg in a round hole, lacking the intelligence, seemingly, to play with the fluidity demonstrated by players in other teams.

He is a good player, no doubt. But he is clearly worse than the playmaking and AMC alternatives of virtually all the teams above us.

Can we stop over-exaggerating his abilities just because he is an Everton player? Lukaku never received such easy accolades.

He is a good player who will be a squad player at Chelsea or Spurs because he is less than their starting options.

Joe Clitherow
82 Posted 30/08/2017 at 13:42:40
Swap for Batshuayi and I'd take their hands off
Denis Richardson
83 Posted 30/08/2017 at 14:16:37
How can we seriously turn down a £25m bid for a player who is in the last year of his contract, doesn't want to sign a new deal, and will be injured for the first 4 months of the season?

I would have bitten their hand off for £25m given the circumstances.

Tim Sharpe
84 Posted 30/08/2017 at 15:09:29
Have to agree with Jim, in the cold light of day Barkley is not a magical player.

He has the odd magical game, or goal, but no where near often enough. No consistancy, similar to Mirallas.

If he could turn it on more often than not, he has the potential to be a legendary player, playing behind the forward in the Teddy Sheringham role.

He doesn't fit Koemans style, or doesn't want to fit.

He wants to go, but lets get top dollar for him. For me, if Chelsea bid £35mil, take it and let him rot on the subs bench

Steve Jenkins
85 Posted 30/08/2017 at 15:24:15
Rumours from the Belgian press that we were going to get Traore & Batshuayi in exchange for Rom & €50M if Rom had chosen to go to Chelsea.

Apparently Pogba & agent stepped & convinced him to go to United pretty last minute.

Not our fault Rom didn't decide to go there.

They want Barkley...

They've now got Morata instead of Rom.

We should look to do a swap deal for Barkley as well as perhaps some small Outlay on top we'd prob have to pay for Batshyaui (given I believe he has minimum 3 years left on contract perhaps more).

He holds the ball up well, strong & has pace but not electric, & can finish.

He gets on the end crosses & can play off the shoulder.

It's a definite option & much better than a lot of the names being thrown about.

I'd try & take Traore on a loan with option to buy - him DCL & Lookman better covers the winger pace issue with (Bolaise injured then getting up to speed this season), Onyekuru on loan etc until next season.

If he has a good season, sign him up at the end of the season, as we're hardly overlooked with wingers with pace (even with everyone fit and back from loans).

Jay Harris
86 Posted 30/08/2017 at 15:35:27
I would sooner have Origi than Batshuayi Steve.
Steve Jenkins
87 Posted 30/08/2017 at 16:04:15
Are we in for Origi then:-)

I know what you're saying Jay. I too would sooner have had a lot of strikers before him, but Costa aside on a six month loan, he's better than most of the guys we're being linked with.

We've left it so late in the window I'd be amazed to get anybody better now.

Rob Dolby
88 Posted 30/08/2017 at 16:11:23
Barkley needs to go so that we can all move on whether that's for £25m or 25p.

There aren't many players who find out that the grass is greener after leaving us. Ross will be playing for someone like Stoke in a couple of years then off to Wolves etc etc.

Ian Bennett
89 Posted 30/08/2017 at 16:21:24
Agreed, any transfer fee for Barkley has got to be accepted. He doesn't want to be at the club, and any fee can be used for players that do. Move on.
Paul Tran
90 Posted 30/08/2017 at 17:03:18
Ray #69, absolutely spot-on. Most of us have known for months that the shortage of decent strikers means that our top targets will be, frankly, looking for something better. If they get it, we'll see them in another shirt. If we're persuasive enough, well have a nice surprise tomorrow. Otherwise it'll be down to who we can get. And whoever we get will tell us it's the right move, right club, etc.

Too many Brexiteer negotiators on here, there's more to it than ringing someone up and saying 'I want x'.

Tony Abrahams
91 Posted 30/08/2017 at 17:06:33
Just going through the lists and if Barkley, was sold for £30 Million, it would by my own calculations, make Everton's net spend come in at around Zero.

I don't want our club, to waste money, but I also don't want us to be left in Limbo, by not signing a striker by tomorrow night.

So two in, and two out maybe? The Niasse money can cover the kid from Split, and would also keep the books balanced, and then a big centre forward, can give us some belief, and also help the manager balance the team out?

Darryl Ritchie
92 Posted 30/08/2017 at 17:33:13
If he's not gone by Thursday, I believe he will be gone in January. Too much bad blood between manager and player for him to stay now.
John Charles
93 Posted 30/08/2017 at 17:44:07
We have absolutely no idea if Koeman and, as Ray says, the tea lady have been 24/7 for a forward for the last 6 months. I sincerely hope , and would expect to be honest, that they have.

What we do know is that we agreed to sell our forward very early in the window when he still had years left on his contract.

That was our decision and not the only choice as shown by Southampton and the shite amongst others. It may be difficult to keep players who want to leave but not impossible. We chose to allow it even knowing that we might have spent the last 6 months in a fruitless 24/7 search for his replacement.

Fingers crossed Ray is right and rabbits are about to appear.

Peter Roberts
94 Posted 30/08/2017 at 17:47:39
Oxlade-Chamberlain going to Liverpool for £40m.

Maybe we were right to dismiss the £25m.

David Pearl
95 Posted 30/08/2017 at 17:51:57
Jim, you went from saying he would only be world class if he didn't give the ball away so much (in mocking me) to saying that I said he was world class. Make up your mind as to what I said maybe... perhaps.

If you look at Barkleys return. Then look at the amount of times he loses possession each game; my point being he could be. Could be world class if he didn't lose the ball so much. He could very well develop a lot at another club... or he may not. It could go either way. As I said. Or did I..,

The clock is ticking.

44 midfielders. One left back. 2 average right backs. Once injured winger. One -21 winger. One -21 striker.

Will Mabon
96 Posted 30/08/2017 at 17:53:02
"Just going through the lists and if Barkley, was sold for £30 Million, it would by my own calculations, make Everton's net spend come in at around Zero."


Just imagine, with all that activity, and all the changes, if we were to end up pretty much where we already were at the end of last season, with a basically zero or low net spend, and a less enjoyable style of football. Might kind of rubber stamp the futility of it all.

Michael Lynch
97 Posted 30/08/2017 at 18:08:54
My thoughts exactly, Peter #93. On the other hand, we'd need to find a bunch of even bigger dickheads than the Shite to offload Barkley for £40m with less than a year left on his contract.
Mo Guindi
98 Posted 30/08/2017 at 18:44:11
I've been a voyeur for sometime on ToffeeWeb withholding the urge to post. However I now feel the need to express extreme sadness that the club is prepared to let go a genuine Scouse-born True Blue who, despite all the negativity, is a talented young footballer.

Ross has suffered some years of abuse online and in the stands. Is it any surprise he wants to leave? What is painful is that it is his own people who have been the most hurtful. Genuinely depressed at this turn of events and hope he goes on to fulfill his potential wherever he ends up. Has everything been done to try and keep him?
Gordon Crawford
99 Posted 30/08/2017 at 18:45:03
£40m for Oxlade-Chamberlain, we shouldn't settle for anything less when it comes to Ross.
Will Mabon
100 Posted 30/08/2017 at 19:02:46
"Has everything been done to try and keep him?"

What we've heard in the open, or not heard, would tend to suggest, no.

We of course don't know the behind-the-scenes details. We don't know a single thought of Ross on the subject since he's said nothing whatsoever.


Chris Jones [Burton]
101 Posted 30/08/2017 at 19:04:06
A note for Lyndon and Michael.

It is extremely difficult to read a thread when the page keeps taking you back to the top - so you can see an unwanted video ad, and one which insists playing at full volume too (even after you've muted it)!

Trying to read the last four posts, I've been taken back up the page four times - and again while writing this. This is not the first time this has happened to me when trying to digest a page.

I greatly value your efforts, and cherish this site, and I appreciate you have to try and make it pay, I really do, but my visits are going to be few and far between if the ads are going to be so intrusive in future.

Sorry to be a nark. :(

SEE NEXT POST: Tx Martin, I'll give that a go. I see Adblocker in Chrome needs re-activating.

Martin Mason
102 Posted 30/08/2017 at 19:05:56
Chris Try using the Ad Blocker which is available at least in Windows 10
Martin Mason
103 Posted 30/08/2017 at 19:08:53
Mo @97

Absolutely, a tragedy that we haven't made a very public effort to make Ross feel like Everton was the place for him to be.

Raymond Fox
104 Posted 30/08/2017 at 19:15:39
This all cracked off when Barkley wouldn't sign a new contract because he thought he was worth more than was being offered, not because he wanted a move. That's my recollection, correct me if I'm wrong.

Two at least out of the top 6 teams appear to want to buy him, they presumably rate him. Who else in our team do they fancy, a fit Coleman maybe, after that a big fat zero. On top of that it appears that we cannot attract here any player that the top 6 teams want to sign!

We start each season on a wing and a prayer and not much else I'm afraid, each time we produce a top quality player their off to the said top 6.

Where are all the transfer funds that was going to give us a fighting chance of success, disappeared by the looks of it!

Not very promising is it.

Dermot Byrne
105 Posted 30/08/2017 at 19:19:04
Umm Martin. Suspect the situation a bit more hard nosed from Ross's perspective. May not be Mensa but his advisers may no the game. And he employs them. Oh if only it was as nice as you suggest.
Colin Glassar
106 Posted 30/08/2017 at 19:26:58
CJB, I was getting a google prize ad popping up every few seconds with my IP address plastered all over it. I had to give it a rest for an hour until it stopped.
Brian Harrison
107 Posted 30/08/2017 at 19:30:26
Martin 102

I think offering him £100,000 per week is a very public statement of how much they wanted him to stay. It is his choice not to sign the contract, I don't see what more the club could do.

The fact is he wants away, and I wish him well but like many who have left before he might find its not always greener in a new pasture.

Darren Hind
108 Posted 30/08/2017 at 19:38:03
Does anyone really doubt that it is Koeman rather than the club who Barkley does not want to commit to?

Barkley is a Blue, claims to the contrary are just foolish. It's no surprise that most of the trumped-up accusations against Barkley are coming from card-carrying Koeman acolytes.

"Wants more money"; "Thinks he is better than he actually is"; "not an Evertonian" — All utter bollocks spouted by people who have no idea what he thinks.

Oh and "He's thick" — A staggeringly stupid claim made by idiots who don't see the irony of calling a guy thick they have never met and whom they know absolutely nothing about.

I don't believe what I read on here sometimes, people want to praise tackling machines to the rooftops, but they want to "dispose" of a guy who could create more in a moment than Gana and Schneiderlin combined will create in a month.

No wonder our football is so damned unpretty… we've actually got fans who seem to like it that way.

I feel like I've died and woke up in Stoke!

Colin Glassar
109 Posted 30/08/2017 at 19:43:56
I second that 100% Darren.
Brian Williams
110 Posted 30/08/2017 at 19:54:21
Darren, you have as much proof that Ross's problem is with Koeman as those who say the opposite, i.e. none.

It's your opinion, just as those who don't agree with you have their opinion.

No undeniable proof either way so merely opinions.

Andy Crooks
111 Posted 30/08/2017 at 19:57:46
Darren, the " thick" comments about Barkley are just pathetiic. Anyway, if we have sold Lukaku without a replacement lined up it suggests ineptitude that is jaw dropping. Whether it is the coached or board or director of football, it is indefensible.

I still retain some faith in Koeman (the alternative, that we have got it so appallingly wrong is unthinkable).

Right now, though, I just keep thinking Gordon fucking Lee — not Moyes… Lee!!!

Oliver Molloy
112 Posted 30/08/2017 at 20:01:26
Moshiri wants a minimum £35 million and he will be gone providing he agree's to the move of course.

Barkley wants £150 grand a week and he's not going to get it at Everton – and rightly so in my opinion. The club offered him a very good contract and he turned it down.

I don't believe it has anything to do with Koeman being the manager (if he thinks he's under pressure with us, wait till he moves!).

Money, money, money, money is what it's all about – it's the reason he wants to move and it's the reason Moshiri is at Everton.

Chamberlain turned down £180 grand a week from Arsenal. I will say that again — £180 grand for an ordinary player — this is what Everton FC are competing with.

Football has gone fucking mad , it is absolute crazy. Barkley will get close to what he wants at one club — Chelsea. Spurs won't pay him more than Harry Kane or Delle Alli.

Darren Hind
113 Posted 30/08/2017 at 20:06:49
Brian

I kinda expected you would be lurking with your "I know somebody who Knows Barkley is after more money" nonsense. I hope you realise how ridiculous it sounds.

I asked others if they doubted Barkley wasn't prepared to commit to Koeman. If you read the post, I didn't give an opinion about it.

Chris Williams
114 Posted 30/08/2017 at 20:15:49
Colin

I was getting that Google prize pop up most of yesterday evening and only on here. It was coming from a variety of sources but identical in content. Fucking nuisance too.

James Marshall
115 Posted 30/08/2017 at 20:18:10
Does it really matter why Ross wants to leave? He clearly does want to leave, so I don't see that the reason for it makes any difference.

The Ox, as mentioned above is going to the RS for less money than the contract offered at Arsenal, but we'll all hate him even more for different reasons.

Players come & go, and just because Ross is a local doesn't really matter either. Yes we all want local lads playing for the club, but that's blue-tinted-old-school thinking and football has moved on since the days of local loyalty.

Personally I don't see what else the club can do - we offered him a deal, he turned it down - money, Koeman, darker reasons, we'll likely never know but it looks as though he'e going so we take the money and move on. The club is bigger etc etc.

Kim Vivian
116 Posted 30/08/2017 at 20:21:07
Colin, Chris - you using adblocker? That should stop it although it is a Google extension so they will know how to breach it I guess.
Joe McMahon
117 Posted 30/08/2017 at 20:25:10
Darren (107) I do often agree with much you say, but why do people always have to have a go at Stoke? They do have some decent players, and you know what i'd even rather have their manager over ours. The Britannia is also a bit more 21st century compared to our cesspit stadium.
Colin Glassar
118 Posted 30/08/2017 at 20:29:28
Chris, thanks for that, it was doing me head in. Kim, I use a tablet so I'm not sure if I have adblocker. Like Chris, it was only on TW that it came up every few seconds. Seems to have gone now.

Darren, I don't know the ins and outs of the Barkley situation but I do know he's the most naturally talented player on our books. It will be a shame, imo, to see him leave but then again, I was saddened to see Stones and Lukaku (our Crown Jewels) leave as well.

Christine Foster
119 Posted 30/08/2017 at 20:42:19
Darren 107, I could not have summed up my feelings any better, word for word, exactly how I feel as well. My gut tells me its not money, he idolised Rooney, idolises Everton. People make decisions not just because of money. Whatever he does, wherever he goes, he will remain a True Blue.

He loves the club but he loves football too, and I have no doubt he would walk over broken glass for Everton. Then came Koeman and the continuous singling out of his performances while those around him copped for nothing. Sounds so familiar with Mirallas to be honest.

I think there is an issue with the player and the manager that is impassable and so he has asked to move on. I cannot blame him for that and it makes far more sense to me than just holding out for more money. Everton are his dream team. But dreams go sour.

I hope to god the lad never looks at ToffeeWeb, because some of the comments are frankly disgraceful and I feel ashamed reading them.

Yeah I know, it's just my opinion, but I trust my gut when it comes to Everton, it's in my blood!

Chris Williams
120 Posted 30/08/2017 at 20:50:17
Colin I use a tablet too.
Martin Mason
121 Posted 30/08/2017 at 20:55:15
Darren@107

Very well put and on this I completely agree with you.

You too Christine.

Guy Hastings
122 Posted 30/08/2017 at 21:04:33
After this Jim Whitetabulous transfer window, my end of season predictions - only three teams manage to make the top four, five out of three go down and everyone finishes joint middle. Best league in the world...
Brian Wilkinson
123 Posted 30/08/2017 at 21:05:40
Let us be thankful Chelsea have made a bid to stop Levy from signing him for £20 Million at the last minute.
Dennis Ng
124 Posted 30/08/2017 at 21:05:51
Chelsea signed Ox so that should not play into any interest in Barkley.

I agree with you Darren in the spirit of the argument but it's not helping when he doesn't sign that lucrative contract. Perhaps it is because of Koeman that is the problem, but until Moshiri axes him, Koeman makes the decisions. Not my top choice, but definitely manager of my club.

As a fellow blue, I hoped he would knuckle in to prove Koeman wrong but that hasn't happened yet. I do hope Barkley commits soon but until that happens, fans will be easily swayed by whatever they see on MSM.

Sam Hoare
125 Posted 30/08/2017 at 21:07:41
I concur Darren/Christine.
Paul Tran
126 Posted 30/08/2017 at 21:13:54
Darren, my hunch is that you're correct in stating that Barkley wants to leave because of his relationship with Koeman. The romantic in me has always wanted to believe Ross would become the player we want him to be. The evidence tells me otherwise.

Here's a question for you. I've seen two championship winning teams. I'm guessing you've seen three (four?). How many inconsistent, misunderstood 'flair' players were regulars in those teams?

Andy Crooks
127 Posted 30/08/2017 at 21:16:02
Darren, Christine, Sam, I would like Barkley to stay but you are basing your views on pure conjecture. None of us know what has gone on but you are posting as though you do. It seems to me that it fits an anti Koeman agenda.

By the way, my view on Koeman is more open minded than it has been but I believe you are putting forward an argument without a shred of evidence to back it.

Christy Ring
128 Posted 30/08/2017 at 21:18:00
Darren (#107),

I'm in complete agreement, he's getting rid of the most skilful player at the club, and nothing against Klaassen, but he wouldn't lace his boots.
Brent Stephens
129 Posted 30/08/2017 at 21:20:02
Chris #100 "SEE NEXT POST: Tx Martin, I'll give that a go. I see Adblocker in Chrome needs re-activating".

Now that IS the best post ever on TW! Predicting exactly what the next post will be!

OK, I guess you were in time to hit the Edit button after reading the pot that followed yours. But it does it does look good!

James Hughes
130 Posted 30/08/2017 at 21:20:40
Chris #100 I have been getting the same pop-up – normally just the 'go compare' advert that messes with my laptop. Ad blocker can help but that also shut me out of any live stream last Sunday after the first 10 minutes of the game.
Eric Paul
131 Posted 30/08/2017 at 21:22:40
Darren,

I don't claim to know someone who knows someone but my nephew is a regular at Finch Farm with kids football.

He has made a few mates who claim the atmosphere is toxic, the academy has been distanced from the first team squad hence the bust up with Sheedy and him leaving. I do believe Ross would stay if it wasn't for Koeman.

Sam Hoare
132 Posted 30/08/2017 at 21:24:30
Andy, I'm fairly on the fence about Koeman but on this issue the glove seems to fit. I don't lay all the blame at his feet and if Barkley had a stronger personality then perhaps he'd be more resolved to prove Koeman wrong at the club he loves.

All speculation of course.

Geoff Lambert
133 Posted 30/08/2017 at 21:32:15
Lets just hope we see a lot of Dave Harrisons smiling face tomorrow.

Go on Davey lad get them signed up

Paul Tran
134 Posted 30/08/2017 at 21:36:35
There is, of course, plenty of conjecture and confirmation bias around this issue, including from me.

The main overriding issue for me is that unless Koeman has done/said unspeakable things to Ross, I can't understand why he doesn't just knuckle down and prove him wrong.

I remember as a young boy hating Lee for getting rid of McKenzie. I soon forgot it a year later when we finished third, playing cracking football and scoring loads of goals.

Hope something similar happens this time!

Carl Taylor
135 Posted 30/08/2017 at 21:38:04
Sad that the main talking point at the end of the window is whether we will sell a player or not again. With the Barkley will he/won't he and the rediculous red echo "announcing" a local architect firm will be helping on our new stadium, I feel these topics are being used to distract us from the fact we will NOT be signing a quality striker tomorrow.

Oh well, lets get back to discussing why Barkley wants to leave.

John G Davies
136 Posted 30/08/2017 at 21:49:04
Club offer player contract.

Player refuses contract.

Club sell player.

Same as it ever was.

Don Alexander
137 Posted 30/08/2017 at 21:53:46
Paul Tran (#125), bloody good question and the answer, as I'm sure we all know, is zero.

There is no "evidence" to justify lashing Koeman for being the sole reason Barkley wants to leave, but only opinion, and that's the foundation of the TW site.

What we do know is that that Koeman, despite picking him to take part in 39 matches last season has, like every other manager whose had Barkley in their squads, been unable to assist the lad progress in developing his own skills and team-play to the extent we all hoped he'd have done well before his imminent 24th birthday.

John G Davies
138 Posted 30/08/2017 at 21:57:27
Correct Don.

It's gossip, tittle tattle over the garden fence.
Nobody on here knows. All conjecture.

Stan Schofield
139 Posted 30/08/2017 at 22:25:26
If the length of threads on ToffeeWeb is an indication of how good a player is, then Barkley must (like Lukaku) be very good.

There have been games this season where I've thought we could do with him. Having said that, given Koeman's repeated poor tactics, I'm not confident he'd know how to get the best out of Barkley anyway (or indeed any other player), so it seems almost academic whether Barkley plays or not.

Koeman's tactics seem so chaotic, I have far more confidence in Barkley (even given his inconsistency) than I do in Koeman.

Anthony Hughes
140 Posted 30/08/2017 at 22:44:30
Chaotic is the word. 24 hours left to sign a striker which should have been our first signing of the transfer window when the club has known for months Lukaku was going. Chaotic that Koeman doesn't know his best team or formation. A complete unbalanced squad full of central midfielders. Poor preparation all round for the start of the season.
Stan Schofield
141 Posted 30/08/2017 at 22:54:51
Regarding comments repeatedly made that Barkley hasn't realised his 'potential' under a number of managers, it's worth saying that each of those managers has hardly been in the 'top'/'elite' category. Moyes was solid, tedious and mediocre, Martinez turned out to be crap, and the mediocrity of the England managers has been commensurate with the bag of shite that is the England set-up at the senior level.

Regarding related comments that have been made about how Barkley's career will pan out, these are mere predicting, forecasting, soothsaying. In other words, a complete waste of time and not worthy of further consideration. In contrast, it will be interesting to actually see how Barkley's career pans out if and when he finally gets the opportunity to play under a really decent manager.

David Graves
142 Posted 30/08/2017 at 23:05:12
Barkley is thick and gives the ball away all the time. No big club will be interested.
John Stones is a show pony. None of the top four will take him.
That Lukaku is a flat track bully. The top clubs in Europe won't be interested in him.
What? They've gone? Never mind let's get players in who want to play for us. Players like Ashley Williams and Morgan Schneiderlin and Sandro Ramirez.
Nil satis nisi whatever.
Phillip Warrington
143 Posted 30/08/2017 at 23:06:13
Everton in their stupidity will hold out for this magical £50 mill. No-one will pay that much and he will hardly play this season, walk on a free, and can choose the highest bidder next season. Everton receive nothing, who wins!
Eddie Dunn
144 Posted 30/08/2017 at 23:08:23
Stan- koeman's tactic aint chaotic at all -they are conservative, predictable, and mind numbingly dull.
Stan Schofield
145 Posted 30/08/2017 at 23:15:59
David, Nil Satis Nisi Tedium.
Denis Richardson
146 Posted 30/08/2017 at 23:23:51
Last time I checked the manager picked the team. If said manager doesn't want a player (for any reason, within reason) then club generally gets rid of the player.

Not sure why we're still going on about Barkley tbh. He was regularly picked last season (so can't say RK didn't rate him), he was offered a 100k/week contract (so can't say club/RK doesn't rate him) but he turned it down.

Why did he turn it down? Not a single person on TW has a scooby doo. Clash with RK, ex going out with some gangster, more money, new challenge, who the fk knows?

Fact is he hasn't signed a new contract and is in the last year of his current one (and is injured till Dec). Any sensible club would sell and move on. Don't really need to debate that surely?

Would be great when it happens so TW can finally move on and we don't have to debate 'when will Ross fulfill his potential' in 2023, when he's 30 years old.

Glad Lukakus gone personally and I'll be glad when Barkleys gone too, if only so we can finally move on. The 'kid' is almost 24 and we're still waiting for whatever potential to be achieved. He's clearly not going to do it at GP so may as well have a crack elsewhere.

Don Alexander
147 Posted 30/08/2017 at 23:32:36
Stan (#139), the fact is that those managers we had and have were definitively in the top 10% of this country's managers because they were ours and our club is in the top 10% of the country's clubs. After all, even with Martinez we only once ended up in the bottom half of the table, and even then it was top of the bottom half.

Still, let's not point a finger at Barkley himself eh? Five seasons, nearly 150 games and what'll he be remembered for when he's gone? Only two great goals, sublime skills that he usually squandered by rank bad decisions/passes, bursting into tears after a shite personal performance in a semi, an aversion to tackling or getting in the face of any opponent in possession and, er, that's it.

Still, if only he'd been managed by a so-called super-manager I suppose, all of them being coincidentally in charge of teams with vast monies available to them and fabulous squads required to a one to maximise their talents to the consistent benefit of the team's success or they're out; dropped, benched or sold.

Or have I missed something?

Oliver Molloy
148 Posted 30/08/2017 at 23:36:53
Breaking news tomorrow , rumour that Ross Barkley signs new Everton contract - you couldn't make it up. Lol
David Graves
149 Posted 30/08/2017 at 23:43:00
Denis will still be glad that Lukaku's gone tomorrow when the transfer deadline shuts and, unless something dramatic happens, we are left with our current striking options?

What about if Barkley leaves and we have the midfield water carriers to get all excited about?

Lukaku was the best striker we've had in a generation and Barkley has the potential to be a great player. I understand that at times he fails to live up to that potential but sometimes is it not better to live in hope?

What's the alternative? The football we've endured so far this season?

Stan Schofield
150 Posted 30/08/2017 at 23:47:39
Don, we'll just have to disagree about the quality of Moyes and Martinez. To me, they were simply shite. And the jury is out on the current incumbent, It will definitely be interesting to see how Barkley fares if and when he plays for a very good manager in a very good team.
Dennis Ng
151 Posted 30/08/2017 at 23:51:37
Oliver, seriously?

David Graves
152 Posted 30/08/2017 at 23:58:51
Don how about 25 goals and about 40 assists? But don't let the facts get in the way of a good old character assassination. And what do you think the legacies or lasting memories of our current midfield selections might be?
Distance run or number of passes back to the keeper? Take your pick.
Brian Williams
153 Posted 30/08/2017 at 00:22:37
Yeh you did Darren, give an opinion about it that is.
Does anyone really doubt that it is Koeman rather than the club who Barkley does not want to commit to ?
Well, do YOU doubt it?
You may have worded it as a question but it's fair to say that's your opinion, (unless of course you're among the "anyone" you ask the question of and you do doubt it) and that's all it is and all it will ever be unless you provide proof, just like you regularly ask others to do.
I'm not even saying you're wrong but it's "just your opinion" and bringing up things I said on another thread won't change the fact.
My "opinion" for what it's worth (which by the way is as much as yours) is that Barkley's refusal to sign a new contract could be due to a number of factors including (but not limited to) money, advice from person/s outside the club, personal happiness/safety (within and outwith the club), and the need for a change of scenery after being with Everton for 12 years or so. But remember that's just my opinion, and just like arseholes everybody has one. ;-)

Danny Broderick
154 Posted 31/08/2017 at 00:53:07
Does it really matter why Barkley wants to go?

The facts are that we have a player who will not commit to the club. The club has to sell him, because if not, he will leave for nothing.

Whatever the reason, Barkley has forced the club's hand here by not renewing his contract. He is entitled to do that, whatever his motivations. But it all leads to one outcome - the player leaving the club, be it now or in 12 months.

If we can sell him now, we'd be foolish not to.

Mike Gaynes
155 Posted 31/08/2017 at 01:31:10
Don #146, I'm hardly Barkley's biggest fan, but your post is pathetic. Can't put it any other way.

Off the top of my head I can remember a half-dozen times he made me explode -- the blast against Watford, the Panenka (Newcastle I believe?), the left-footer against Arsenal, a couple of free kicks, the breakaway against Bournemouth and most of all the swerving bullet cross to Rom against Leicester, right in front of me in my first game at Goodison. A lifetime memory that.

Criticize him all you want, and I'll join you, because he drove me nuts at times with his brainlessness... but to describe his entire Everton career in the terms you used is pure chickenshit.

Don Alexander
156 Posted 31/08/2017 at 01:38:46
To David, Stan, and others, the lad's had nigh on 150 games as an "offensive" player and scored one in six. Hmm. Unfortunately he's never improved from what was admittedly a very promising start. And for all the "assist" stats I can't think of a more disengaged footballer in the country than Barkley when it comes to tackling or "pressing", and the famed stats confirm it.

Taking his invisibility as a ball-winner into proper account he just HAS to do what players playing in his position for the teams above us do by scoring and creating decisive/spectacular goals with way more regularity, a la Gylfi who's done it for years in a poorer team whilst also tackling and pressing.

And Stan, I abhorred Martinez, and by the time of his last season was ambivalent about Moyes, but who can you name from managers of clubs other than those regularly above us who were at the time better, in particular with reference to Moyes?

It's not that I'm making a ringing endorsement of Moyes, and you'll not find a message from me on TW yet singing Koeman's talents as a manager either (I'm just patient), but by definition all three are/were very close to the top of their profession, sad as that may be.

Great or even good players change perceptions across the board but unfortunately Ross ain't one of them and has only been able to change most people's perceptions of him in a downwards trajectory.

David Pearl
157 Posted 31/08/2017 at 01:54:53
Mike killa Gaynes, Conor McGregor is looking for his next challenge and fancies his chances on ToffeeWeb.
Don Alexander
158 Posted 31/08/2017 at 01:56:58
Due respect Mike, I share and respect the impact the Goodison trip had on you and I'm delighted you have such a wonderful memory or four of Ross and I don't mean that in a bitchy way, but the fact is that those are pretty much the sum total of his "fabulous" moments in five seasons.

Even you describe his play as sometimes "brainless" and you're quite right, it is, and that can only be consistently detrimental to the team. Hence I come to the opinion that he's thick in refusing to sign another contract that'll continue to add to his millions whilst trying to play for the club he allegedly supports rather than a.n.other club where he's most likely to get injured from piles rather than hammies unless he has a fundamental change in performance.

Jim Harrison
159 Posted 31/08/2017 at 03:15:01
I agree with Darren on this (god that was painful) but I don't lay the blame for this solely at Koeman's door.

I think the player has to take a look at himself and realise why the manager acted as he did. I don't buy Christine's argument that it was contiuous criticism. Go back and check the interviews, it was a few times. I think the manager was trying different ways to get a response from the player to actually perform consistently to the level he clearly is able to.

Shame he is leaving, but if he is such a dedicated Evertonian, he would stay and prove the manager wrong. I suspect he is a professional footballer who wants to play at a higher level as soon as possible. Do you think he is so desperate to leave that, if Newcastle came in and offered a bumper deal, he would go there?

Time will tell if he ever proves to be as good as he could be, but he wants to move on. No team needs players who are openly willing to leave, it creates the wrong atmosphere. Good luck and all that.

Michael Hulse
160 Posted 31/08/2017 at 03:36:09
As the transfer window opened I was full of hope and optimism as it was blatant we needed 'Quality' adding to our team, definitely not 'Quantity' although we are gearing up for a long campaign being in the Europa League.

We did good business early, bringing in England long term Number 1 in Jordan Pickford, Quality in young defender Michael Keane and a 'productive' midfielder in Davy Klaassen whilst getting rid of dead wood to give the squad a fresher look. I would so far give our transfer Window a 5/10, the reason why for my low mark will be explained in more detail when I talk about koemans 'tactics'.

Although we have upgraded our first team squad we have lost our best player for many years, which is to me blatantly obviously for our first 3 Premier League games. We have absolutely no focus point to our game and I'm struggling to see what Koemans approach is.

Anybody who has seen the film 'Moneyball' give it a watch as I believe this is what koeman is trying to replicate and it is why he is obsessed with the word 'productivity'. Buying players with the best statistics and jamming them into an 11 doesn't give you anything in this sport and never will.

FORMATIONS:

This 5-2-2-1 formation is doing absolutely nothing for us. If we compare ourselves to Chelsea who use the 3 or 5 at the back to us then it is obvious that in order for that formation to work you need 'Wing Backs'.

How often does Alonso or Moses get on the score sheet or assist goals, create chances etc? You need willing runners in your wing backs who will provide width and will break the lines to open up gaps for the midfield. You also need a deep lying playmaker who will spray the ball and find the gaps the runners are running into, for this Chelsea have Fabregas.

So when Chelsea play with 3 at the back they are actually playing with 3 in defence with Wing backs either side. We do not have wing backs and that is the reason for my 5/10 mark. We have full backs so us by playing this formation is us playing 5 in defence and inviting unnecessary pressure onto ourselves. If Koeman wanted to play this way he should have done exactly what Pep has done at City and spent money on 'Wing backs'.

The way City have spent it is clear to see what their philosophy and way of playing will be this season. I genuinely believe Koeman has brought in players who have impressive stats and is trying to win games this way, however statistics are over rated, the only statistics that matter after 90 minutes are the ones on the scoreboard.

Forget the Europa League games as they aren't the quality of opposition we will be up against all season and focus on the Premier League games. I don't see any purpose to our play, absolutely no focal point. What I see is us playing a lot of percentage balls. Lukaku was a massive presence, he automatically had 2 people marking him and in turn created space for players around him.

He will be very hard to replace and any Everton fan who tells me otherwise I would like to point them into our track record with Number 9 strikers. It is a forgone conclusion that we was going to lose him and to keep him against his will this season would have been bad business and bad for morale.

However, if we promised him 1 2months ago he could leave we should have had a striker ready on a pre contract to come in at the start of the season to hit the ground running. We need a presence upfront and for me Giroud would have been perfect, that isn't going to happen so that I will leave up to Walsh and co. to figure out.

This is a massive 12 months for Koeman and if he doesn't finish 7th in the league with better cup runs that last year I expect him to face the chop.

Our first 11 is nowhere near good enough to compete with the top 6 but it is far to good to finish below 7th, I believe we are in a league of our own at the moment and I see we are building for the future with our signings. However, I want to see a style of football being played and a purpose to our game.

What I am getting at is, I want to see some direction on the pitch from Everton Football Club, we never know what to expect come match day with line ups and formations, for me that must be confusing for a player who is being told he must play in different systems each week. To maximise the potential surely Koeman has to identify his way of playing and implement that style, whatever that may be. However, I feel like he doesn't even know what style he wants to play and he definitely doesn't know his best 11 which is very concerning.

Any thoughts would be great.

Darren Hind
161 Posted 31/08/2017 at 05:43:16
Paul T

Come on that's not the standard of question I expect from you.

Of course Barkley would not have gotten into our great sides, he wasn't skilful enough to play in the centre of The Cats midfield and he was hard enough for Kendal's,.but come on . . There would be no more than a handful of players since we won the title thirty years ago who would even create a debate if you asked that question about them.
Questions like that will have the hard of thinking nodding their approval, but if we sold every current player who wouldn't get into those teams, we'd have to invite eleven from the crowd to line up against Spurs.

I asked the question whether his relationship with Koeman was the reason he was leaving because I could see nothing but the usual bollocks being spouted by those desperate for Koeman to save face here.
Whilst every single allegation against Barkley has been made without any foundation whatsoever. The one about his relationship with Koeman has more legs than a fucking centipede.

We know Koeman was tetchy when asked about Barkleys contracts early last season when he snapped saying it would be discussed in the summer.
We know Koeman has singled him out repeatedly for criticism because he was unable to adapt to his zombie football - not once has he singled out one of his less than gifted tackling machines.
We know he tried to bully Barkley by issuing a half witted deadline/s soon after the club offered him a contract - The one papers like the s#n and the Mail claimed was for 100k a week.
We know that whilst Barkley has kept a dignified silence the manager has repeatedly tried to PUBLICALLY paint him as the villain.
Jamie Redknap who had spent time working with Ross. Told sky sports viewers that all wasn't well, he predicted six months ago that Ross would end up at Spurs.

All anyone can do is speculate, but lets at least use whatever evidence we DO have when coming to our conclusions.

I'm so glad those attacking a player who has said nothing throughout this entire saga are not sitting on the jury of a murder trial. Half of them would want to find the victim guilty and have him banged up

Darren Hind
162 Posted 31/08/2017 at 05:57:11
Oh and Mike Gaines @154

A message from America. Delivered with chilling accuracy

John G Davies
163 Posted 31/08/2017 at 06:44:05
Enough with the guessing games.
Nobody on TW knows what has gone on.
Pure conjecture
Paul Tran
164 Posted 31/08/2017 at 09:35:39
Pertinent question for me, Darren. Whatever you think of Koeman, I'd like to think we're better than than canonising inconsistent players.

Do you really think it's just poor managers that are stopping Ross fulfilling his talent? Is it managers determining his poor decision making? Is it managers making him run down blind alleys?

Managers can give players an extra edge, the players need to figure things out for themselves as well.

I understand that it's easy pickings for you to have go at people calling Barkley thick and greedy. I've put those in the same conjecture bin as your 'unable to adapt to his zombie football' stuff.

I hope he stays. I hope he learns from the good players we've brought in. If he leaves, I wish him all the best, except when he plays us.


Ian Horan
165 Posted 31/08/2017 at 09:44:43
A bit of context to Barkley situation, Moyes, big Sam. Hodgson. Southgate. KOEMAN. Even Warnock have all stated Ross has fantastic skill!!!!, however they all question his understanding of a team pattern or game management. Ross is like a street football juggling a ball with all the tricks in the world. But in a game situation with players crowding you out and trying to tackle you football intelligence is required. 6 managers all have reservations about him. The doubts of the manager obviously have influenced the contract offer. Good luck to Ross at his next club.
Stan Schofield
166 Posted 31/08/2017 at 09:57:11
Don@155: I can't name any managers other than those of the clubs above us who were better than Moyes. But that's irrelevant. If reports have any substance, Barkley will move to one of the 'top-6', and as I say it will be interesting (at least to me) to see how he does when playing for one of those 'top' managers.
Tony Abrahams
167 Posted 31/08/2017 at 09:58:02
Darren you expect more off Paul, which is fair enough, but to call Barkley's silence dignified comes across as baffling, from a straight talking scouser like yourself mate.

Conjecture I know, but once he decided to leave, he's obviously been told by his agent, and the club, who are going to try and buy him on the cheap, to keep fucking schtumm?

Koeman, fucked-up badly, and also might have shown a bit of contempt for Barkley, for having the temerity to want loads more money than his boss, and this has played right into Barkley's hands, and cost Everton, loads of money, if we compare it to Oxlaide.

The only time Ross Barkley, has kept a dignified silence to me, is when he refused to speak to the police after he got a well deserved smack in town!

Stan Schofield
168 Posted 31/08/2017 at 10:00:28
Ian@164: All of those managers are mediocre (or in the case of Koeman, looking mediocre as things stand), and their opinions of Barkley don't get much of a weighting as far as I'm concerned.
Paul Tran
169 Posted 31/08/2017 at 10:49:16
While I'm thinking about it, if Koeman is this horrible, dreadful man to work with, telling his players to play zombie football, how come the likes of Pickford, Keane and Sigurdsson have joined? Please don't tell me no-one else wanted them, or offered them good wages.

In all walks of life, managers & staff sometimes don't get on. I've seen it myself, even with the best managers I've worked with. Same in football. They'll have a rumour mill, too. If Koeman was that bad .

Trevor Peers
170 Posted 31/08/2017 at 10:54:51
So it turns out Ross isn't a massive Evertonian after all, he's not interested in Chelsea either, he pines for Spurs, the boys from white hart lane, that's where his heart lies.
Well, well, who'd of guessed that ??! Chas and Dave will be over the moon. All Koeman's fault I guess.
Ian Horan
171 Posted 31/08/2017 at 10:56:10
Stan @167 respect you opinion, however mediocre the said managers are whicH of course is down to opinion they all have worked within the football industry. So surely their view is built on experience and knowledge based on the profession they earn a living from as opposed from all us passionate fans and supporters
Denis Richardson
172 Posted 31/08/2017 at 11:27:25
David 148, if we don't have a replacement for Lukaku and possibly Barkley by the end of today then, like every one else here, I won't exactly be over the moon.

However, that's beside the point. That point being Lukaku wanted to leave, he did so a year ago and by all accounts we asked if he would give us one more season, which he did. So we sold him and for an astronomical amount. End of.

Barkley, as stated many times, also wants to leave (reason not really relevant) so again what's the point in debating the player. Sell for the highest price as his heads certainly not in the right place. Nevermind the fact he's injured till Dec and in the last year of his contract.

Main thing is to hope we can sign some decent players today. I'm still hopeful given we signed Lukaku and Barry on deadline day 4 years ago.

Let see what the squad looks like tomorrow morning. We def need a striker as a minimum.

Stan Schofield
173 Posted 31/08/2017 at 11:28:58
Ian, you're right, they're professionals, whilst I'm just an amateur in an armchair. But I still consider them shite, relatively speaking, compared to say Kendall, Cruyff, Ferguson, Mourinho, et al. All I'm saying is that it would be interesting too see how Barkley performs with a manager in the stratum of one of these guys, rather than in the lower stratum types you've listed.
John G Davies
174 Posted 31/08/2017 at 14:01:27
I'm trying to work out where Jamie "shut up im never wrong"Redknapp spent time working with Ross.
Tony Abrahams
175 Posted 31/08/2017 at 22:18:12
Conjecture? A new challenge? The champions of England? Actions speak louder than words? Makes me wonder?
Tom Bowers
176 Posted 01/09/2017 at 16:45:40
Who knows what to believe ? With Barkley the deal offered may not have been to his liking or he may feel he would also spend more time as a benchwarmer at the Bridge than he would being with Spurs.
The lad just sounds to me like he doesn't know what he wants much like his inconsistent play on the field whereby he always seemed in two minds whether to pass, shoot or try a dribble.
He may become a loanee again when he is fully fit or just knuckle down and fight for a place at Goodison.
Dermot Byrne
177 Posted 01/09/2017 at 16:48:43
"Who knows what to believe ? " Be careful Tom, you'll create a TW stampede!
Matthew Johnson
178 Posted 01/09/2017 at 16:54:23
Barkley wants to wait till January right?

In January won't he be free to sign a pre-contract with another club?

Which means he can command a large personal signing on fee, whereas EvertonFC will receive no transfer fee at all.


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