Along with Tottenham Hotspur, the Champions have been linked with Barkley for much of the summer but groin surgery and then an operation to repair a damaged hamstring that will likely keep him sidelined until November have complicated any efforts to get a deal done.
The 23-year-old is out of contract next summer and has thus far not been moved to sign an extension to his current deal with Everton, leaving the club in danger of losing him for next to nothing next year.
The Blues are reportedly asking for £40m for Barkley and might be hoping to capitalise on Chelsea's failure thus far to sign Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain and their need to sign more homegrown players.
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1 Posted 29/08/2017 at 22:14:25
2 Posted 29/08/2017 at 22:20:17
3 Posted 29/08/2017 at 22:22:27
4 Posted 29/08/2017 at 22:23:49
Spurs end up with his groin and Chelsea with his hamstring?
5 Posted 29/08/2017 at 22:25:29
6 Posted 29/08/2017 at 22:30:03
Good luck Ross, I for one look forward to your making a massive success of it.
7 Posted 29/08/2017 at 22:36:42
With the transfer window ready to burst with precipitious moves should a big one go through getting this done might help us bring in other more far fetched targets.
Assuming the injury is not long term and the medicial info is there, players signing injured is not usually a problem I would think.
8 Posted 29/08/2017 at 22:41:36
9 Posted 29/08/2017 at 22:44:04
10 Posted 29/08/2017 at 22:46:11
11 Posted 29/08/2017 at 22:46:26
I've always wanted him to succeed but it's never going to happen. At least not at Everton.
His contract is up in a year and he can walk away. Take the money & run.
12 Posted 29/08/2017 at 22:51:01
Surplus to requirements? How we could have done with him in the last couple of games.
At 25 million, when we see championship clubs bidding 18 million for Gayle from Newcastle, he is absolute bargain and we have seriously fucked this one up.
Lose Lukaku and Barkley in the same summer and have not one replacement for either? We needed players in addition to them.
At 25 million, which is basically nothing in today's market, i'd prefer him to rot in the reserves for a season and let him go for free.
13 Posted 29/08/2017 at 22:51:25
14 Posted 29/08/2017 at 22:53:17
15 Posted 29/08/2017 at 23:01:34
Me, I hope he don't go, signs a 5-year contract as the tactical three-man defence genius will be gone in 18 months...
16 Posted 29/08/2017 at 23:27:42
Yet Chelsea are paying £35 million for Oxlade-Chamberlain who, while I like him, is not in the same league as Ross.
This has been managed so badly and I am not sure what to blame first Barkley's judgement, the board or Ronald Koeman.
17 Posted 29/08/2017 at 23:28:32
I'd still refuse. If he don't like it, it is reserve or U18 football for him and no World Cup. Or he can sign a contract and let us get a decent fee the feckin' git.
18 Posted 29/08/2017 at 23:35:02
"We don't and won't miss him."
Looked liked we did every game I've seen this season. Stoke we squeezed by thanks to a good finish from Rooney. We had no attacking options at Man City once they went to 10 men and nothing in the box at Chelsea.
That's not to mention Europe. Say what you like about Ross but he creates chances.
19 Posted 29/08/2017 at 23:40:08
I wouldn't do what Fran suggests and hang onto him out of principle because he'll just leave for nothing next year anyway like I said before, Ross has forced the clubs hand, and nobody can blame Everton for not trying to keep him.
On that basis it's time to sell.
20 Posted 29/08/2017 at 23:47:15
21 Posted 29/08/2017 at 23:58:52
Having said that, the board, manager, whoever shouldn't shoulder the blame for his leaving. He wants away, has refused the offered contract, end of story.
It's a shame because I think him, Sigurdsson, and this young kid from Split together (should the transfer materialize) could have provided the much needed creativity we're sadly lacking.
22 Posted 30/08/2017 at 00:11:52
My concern is we don't know why he's not signed the contract. Is it because of these gangster rumours or due to Ronald Koeman? I am tempted to think it is Koeman given the way Mirallas is now on the exit list.
If Ross goes elsewhere on the cheap and excels, I will always want an explanation something I'm not likely to ever get.
23 Posted 30/08/2017 at 00:24:03
On a serious note, it is a shame that we will loose Ross, for whatever reasons; thats football... Who needs TV drama when we have Everton FC and ToffeeWeb? Better scripts than any soap, more realistic characters from the club to the fans, pure entertainment is this footy soap opera!!
24 Posted 30/08/2017 at 00:47:35
Ross Barkley doesn't want to sign a new and (presumably) improved contract. Next summer there's a World Cup and if he's any sort of professional (and put aside for a moment him being an alleged fan of Everton Football Club, who are investing in a new stadium, infrastructure and squad as well as being willing to boost his already vast wages) he should bust a gut to get enough games to get in the national squad.
The world should allegedly be his oyster by next summer. but who is even going to match what we're offering him? Who in Chelsea's or Spurs' midfields is he going to replace, seriously?
He has not "kicked on" in any way since he was a stripling teenager in my opinion. Frankly, to me he comes across as a wimp on the pitch, and that's such a shame given his size, speed and skill.
Somebody on TW recently described him as follows, in comparison to Gerrard The Red;
"One took to the pitch with the air of its owner, the other takes to the pitch with the air of a boy sneaking into his next-door neighbour's garden to try to retrieve his own ball!"
No top Premier League club will tolerate that from a regular pick and, frankly, I doubt any other Premier League club would offer him a new contract to improve on what he's rejected from us.
So, regrettably, for the club's sake he needs to be disposed of asap for the maximum fee we can conjure.
25 Posted 30/08/2017 at 01:05:33
Last England Cap?
Last inclusion in an England squad?
He's 24 not 17, the term talent ran out on him years ago.
4 years in the first team at a respected but middling, not a top top Premier league club
Its been know for some time he's available for transfer but no a lot of offers eh?
We are flogging the deadest of horses, who is currently lame and we'd be lucky to get £25m for him.
Take it and look forward, he once was the future when we had no investment and little capital to service the club. He is now a symbol of the old Everton, hanging on a local lad to save the club either through performances on the field or our financial bacon off it.
Everton have moved on, so should we. This story has no happy ending.
26 Posted 30/08/2017 at 01:27:54
27 Posted 30/08/2017 at 02:18:22
We all know his flaws, but very few players can match his strengths, and certainly no-one else on our books. We've badly missed him already this season.
28 Posted 30/08/2017 at 02:40:29
Spurs, who are also in the Champions League, supposedly want him. Cardiff want £30M for an unknown Championship player. It just puts in to perspective what we will be loosing. I cannot believe that anybody cannot see we have been missing his talent this season, along with Lukaku of course.
For me this is equally as disappointing as loosing Rooney all those years ago and I have strong belief that Ross will do very well at Chelsea and be a success in a ateam who are attack minded. I just hope Klassen can step up to the plate!!
29 Posted 30/08/2017 at 03:04:39
I'm bored with the whole Barkley saga. Never rated him and couldn't give a shit where he ends up as he'll be warming the bench more often than not.
30 Posted 30/08/2017 at 03:07:18
But I would turn that around and instead say, can't you see what Lukaku and Barkley are saying? Lukaku criticized the lack of ambition. Barkley is refusing the sign on in order to move on to a place with more ambition.
These players are on the inside and have seen far more than we do every day, and they're saying "Thank you but no thank you. We are out of here, we are not fooled." Who honestly doesn't think that the players look at the lineup we put out at Chelsea and know the manager has no faith in their ability to go for a win. They see the same thing everyone else does, that at Everton it's a "hope you don't lose" mentality, not a "go out and win" mentality.
Mirallas apparently had the audacity to say something and was sent away. Lukaku criticized the lack of ambition and was slated to no end on these pages. Barkley said I'm not signing a new contract, I'm off to better places. Stones before them. But I'm sure that Friday morning some news about a new stadium will be floated and everyone will start jumping up and down celebrating watching a mid-table side in a shiny new stadium. Oh, and celebrating an Under 23's title, because youth success translates to senior success so many times.
31 Posted 30/08/2017 at 03:32:09
However, linking Mirallas into the ambition of the club debate is a bit daft. He said something because he wants to play but he's been dropped because he Isn't good enough. He's shown a poor attitude as a result. If Koeman is to be believed. Nothing to do with club ambition. Stones was really before Moshiri so should be disregarded also.
You're also disregarding players comments like Keane and Pickford who specifically said they joined us because we were ambitious.
The way I see it is we have made strides. Not big ones á la City but progress has been made but very much a work in progress. The biggest thing holding us back right now is Koeman's overly defensive tactics. It's on his shoulders right now, the 'don't lose mentality'.
32 Posted 30/08/2017 at 05:06:22
Pickford joined us from a relegated Sunderland and Keane from a bottom half of the table club. Compared to that, sure, call it ambitious.
What strides have we made exactly? When Moyes was here we were constantly between 5-7th in the table, finishing top 4 once and multiple trips to the Europa League. At the end of his time, we were playing very good football and had a very balanced team, just lacking the cash to get the top quality striker that could have made a massive difference.
Fast forward to five years later and we have many people on here, and you're one of them, trying to convince us that finishing 7th this season would somehow be acceptable. It is not acceptable. We're not progressing in any way shape or form. Our football is poor, very difficult to watch. We essentially go into every match to defend first and hope something works out.
We have a new owner, but we have sold our star striker and Barkley won't sign a contract, soon to be gone. Stones said adios before that. Every new signing goes on about how it was the right club for him, he's here to win things, the manager convinced him to sign blah blah blah. That's standard PR, they are all reading from a script. If you don't think so then check with the PR department at every single professional sports team. The more telling thing is when players won't stay, want to leave, and players of similar quality won't come.
We further away from the six clubs above us now than when Moyes was here. We've gone backwards, just as Arsenal have gone backward. They go on and on about the project. We don't have a damn senior striker. Did someone forget to include those pages of the project!!
33 Posted 30/08/2017 at 06:20:30
Like I say, whether we've actually made progress or not is open to debate, one I'm happy to go in too. But all I was really saying was the Mirallas link was stretching it when talking about ambition as it has nothing to do with that. And I have no doubt the players are told what to say when signing. When pointing that out, I was merely showing there is another side of the coin. Whether the players believe it is conjecture in my opinion. Only they really know.
Lukaku made noise from the day he signed that we were a stepping stone, we were never going to be big enough for him no matter what. I have my own thoughts on Barkley but I don't think that's down to ambition. In his shoes would you rather play for a team progressing and start most games or go to a team where at best you'd be a bench player but may have a chance of winning a medal without contributing much?
The average position we finished when Moyes was here was 7th. When you look at pure stats, I can understand your view point as little progress has been made that's where we are still.
But when you delve deeper it's not so cut and dry. When Moyes was in charge we didn't have 6 world class teams above us in the league, all with the ability to throw cash around like confetti if they chose too. Our first XI was the best of the rest, when injuries hit we were screwed. Now our first xi is the best of the rest (barring Koeman's tactical genius moves) and we have a bigger squad with more options barring a couple of positions, which will hopefully be rectified in the next 48 hours. And then there is the new stadium, U23s set-up and so on. That's progress for me.
I've never advocated once that 7th is acceptable this season. So not sure where you got that from? My line has always been progress will be higher than last season and a cup or two wins. I stand by that.
I would love us to win the Premier League and every thing else besides. But I'm realistic enough to know that ain't going to happen. Instead, I can see the progress that is being made on and off the pitch that will hopefully give us a fighting chance in the future.
How far into the future? That right now is down to Koeman. If he wins something this season, then brilliant; if he continues to flounder playing this boring arse football, then I suspect he'll be gone by the end of the season and someone else will have a go. And we start over.
But right now we're the 7th best team in England with the 7th best resources. It'll be no surprise if we finish 7th. And unless we get a miracle manager or a Usmanov type backer, it's unlikely to change much in the short term.
34 Posted 30/08/2017 at 06:52:57
You just said that you never said 7th is acceptable this season. Three paragraphs later you say it'll be no surprise if we finish 7th and unless we get a miracle manager or some other billionaire, it's unlikely to change. That is you saying very clearly you only expect 7th and to expect anything better is unreasonable. In their words, you're saying 7th is acceptable.
35 Posted 30/08/2017 at 07:02:02
That's actually technically correct and borne out statistically... usually.
Occasionally, the maths are thwarted. By flair, endeavour, spirit, tactical nuance, luck, bravery, determination... all the unquantifiable things that make football the drug it is, the source of hope of seeing something out of the ordinary. It doesn't always deliver the cold hard results it should, but the intention is everything.
There are no stats for it but we all know when we're seeing it, and when we're not. We simply aren't right now. What we are seeing will get us nowhere.
We might not even match the maths but no matter, we won't get relegated. In the absence of simply buying success, it would be nice though, to enjoy the football and have a little hope that we may finish higher than between 7th and 17th. At the moment, there's no hope even, of that. Not with Koeman playing it the way he is.
36 Posted 30/08/2017 at 07:10:34
We have sold or let go nearly every single attacking player and forward we had and replaced with one. Lukaku, Kone, Deulofeu Valencia, with Barkley, Mirallas Lennon on their way out. We have Rooney on a free and Sigurdsson that's it.
Not much of an improvement that I can see nor a plan!
37 Posted 30/08/2017 at 07:21:53
Taking all factors into account though David, can you really not see any progress within our club? I know your frustrated at the moment with Koeman and performances (who isn't it?!), but seriously? No progress at all?
Will #34 not argument from me fella on anything you state there. 100% agree.
38 Posted 30/08/2017 at 07:28:43
39 Posted 30/08/2017 at 07:28:52
Personally I could find it acceptable... IF it comes with a Cup final or a Europa League semi.
And I think with our new depth and a striker by Thursday, it's quite possible.
40 Posted 30/08/2017 at 07:31:46
The recognisable first xi will come. We've got over half the team as new players. People need to settle. We've made a lot of changes, changes we had too but there has to be some bedding in time.
With the players we've let go, who would you have kept? Lukaku who wanted to leave. Del no choice. Barkley doesn't want to sign. Mirallas threw a wobbly. Lennon will probably stay. The others are complete dross anyway.
We've replaced them with Sandro, Rooney and Sigurdsson. Have Lookman, possibly the Croat kid and Bolasie to come back? With the exception of Lukaku, I'd call that progress and a good plan.
We still need more of course. No Lukaku replacement is an aberration but I maintain we're a better overall squad for what we've brought in so far to what we've shifted out. It's just down to Koeman now to sort them out.
41 Posted 30/08/2017 at 08:02:29
I'm not bothered about Barkley going he hasn't often looked like a £25 million player to me in the last few seasons, so I'm happy with £25 million.
42 Posted 30/08/2017 at 08:20:53
James Stewart, makes the point about Chamberlain going for £35 mill, with only one year left on his contract, so I expect Barkley, will eventually leave for around £30 Million.
I'm with the people who would like to see him (Barkley) in this new look Everton, all one touch passing, but no-one with any real drive to beat a man, and run forward with the ball.
43 Posted 30/08/2017 at 08:50:49
He has his critics and faults, ok I know, but he also has ability that most of our squad don't posses.
If he's good enough for Chelsea and probably Spurs he's good enough for us!
Against that our 'exciting manager' has given him the cold shoulder, so perhaps my suggestion above is long odds on happening.
44 Posted 30/08/2017 at 08:55:24
45 Posted 30/08/2017 at 09:00:17
46 Posted 30/08/2017 at 09:10:09
Interesting that no marks Chelsea (no less) want Barkley, clearly they see something that people on here don't. Says it all really. Barkley is a player you coach the best out of, not beat it out of him. For that matter I think Mirallas has knuckled down to criticism and come back fighting before, but I can well understand his frustration playing second fiddle to Kone, Lennon in fact anyone including the ball boy.
I think also Koeman is trying new tactical formations that do not include Mirallas or Barkley, not because they are going but because he has a view of what he wants and how he wants to play, at least I hope he does because you cannot keep losing people..
But personally I think Koeman is clearing the decks of EVERYONE who will not bow down to him but when is strength of purpose seen as arrogance ? At what point does anyone on the board say, hang about I am not so happy with this..
If Chelsea do get Barkley, he will become a far better player even if he sits on a bench for a while because he will be around better players with a manager who believes in getting the best out of players. And thats sad for Everton and for us because, like Rooney and Stones, Lukaku, he will chose to go and play for a club and a manager who believe in them and in which they can be happier.
So much for the jokers who dismiss him as a championship player isn't it? when the EPL champions come in for him. I suppose the retort will be good riddance or bench warmer, or idiots etc.. If we see Barkley picking up the Champions league trophy at the end of this season, what will you say then? What will the questions to Koeman be?? How much will he be worth then Bill?
47 Posted 30/08/2017 at 09:19:10
If we can get near to £30m, then it's a great deal for us. Shame he never made it as an Evertonian, but it's hardly like when we lost Rooney. He was already fulfilling his potential and was clearly going to be a first choice for Man Utd and England for many years to come.
As others have said, Sigurdsson looks a definite upgrade on Ross.
48 Posted 30/08/2017 at 09:44:33
He can head the ball
He can play with his back to the goal and turn a man
He has a tremendous shot in both feet
He can get past a man going forward
He cannot tackle to save his life
Elephant in the room.
49 Posted 30/08/2017 at 09:46:04
50 Posted 30/08/2017 at 09:57:56
He can head the ball, usually to the opposition.
He has tremendous shot with both feet, usually high and wide.
He can get past a man going forward, then gives the ball away.
I like Barkley, don't get me wrong, but how long does he want to play the home grown player with potential card?
He has had long enough, to display that potential, if you're lucky, he plays a blinder every one in eight games, even then, he has little awareness of the players around him, beats about 5 players with ease then back-heels the ball, back to the opposition.
He has frustrated long enough for me, and as for being a true blue?
Sorry, if I have upset his admirers, but I am just stating what I have witnessed over the years, and I don't think I am alone with those views.
51 Posted 30/08/2017 at 10:09:00
Haven't seen anything myself? Have you got a link or can you post the quotes?
52 Posted 30/08/2017 at 10:13:10
It is better for all involved if he moves on and we can get some money for him to make our team stronger.
53 Posted 30/08/2017 at 10:14:02
Koeman's style worries me, I watch Liverpool play the system with two players who can start wide, and then cut inside, but they have players steaming forward, in support.
I then watch Spurs play something similar, but they are more about Ali, getting past the forward, and their width coming from two fullbacks who are constantly bombing on.
I then watch Everton, who don't play with much width, and also very little forward movement at the minute.
We've signed some players, but we haven't signed enough though. 3 centre-backs make us solid, but because they are not good footballers, it also makes us very, very rigid. Easy to play against, we lack movement further up the pitch because our defenders can't come out with the ball.
If we don't sign another good forward, then I'm not sure how it's going to work, but going back to basics would help though, purely just to give us some genuine balance in the team.
I'm not saying Burnley will do great, but I bet you every single Burnley player knows his job though, which is something I'm not sure every Everton player does at the minute though?
A work in progress takes time, but people can only stay patient, once they can see what the manager is trying to do. Let's just hope Koeman can get in a forward to help his transition start to take a bit of shape.
54 Posted 30/08/2017 at 10:14:18
None of our managers have been smart or daft enough to try that.
55 Posted 30/08/2017 at 10:16:43
Chelsea and Spurs see him as being worth a flier because he has ability, but if you think he's going to be nurtured at those clubs, think again. One or two typical Barkley performances - a few moments of quality mixed in with a lot of indecisive dithering and unforced errors - and Conte won't give him a second glance.
Christine (35) - it's not just Rooney and Sigurdsson, it's Sandro and Klaassen too, plus the continued ascension of youngsters like Calvert-Lewin and Lookman, with Bolasie returning and promising players like Onyekuru and (hopefully) Vlasic in the pipeline. That's a far superior collection of talent to the outgoing crop you listed, bar Lukaku.
56 Posted 30/08/2017 at 10:21:51
57 Posted 30/08/2017 at 10:23:53
I can see why Mourinhio let Schneiderlin and Rooney go as they are not fast enough for his side. We love a Manc reject though. Klaassen, Keane, Guye, Bolasie are all inconsistent plodders. The two players who were our only ball-carrying goal threats, Lukaku and Barkley, are gone.
What good is £25 Million anyway in this market? We need to spend at least £150 million just to replace Ross and Romelu. None of the other signings have improved the squad one bit.
58 Posted 30/08/2017 at 10:31:10
If he has to go anywhere, Spurs would be the one for him to progress
59 Posted 30/08/2017 at 10:35:15
Sure he doesn't want to play for Koeman. I suspect he is the first of many !
60 Posted 30/08/2017 at 10:39:08
Yes he has ability, yes he makes chances, but he's useless without the ball. That and his all round inconsistencies are his downfall. I rate him as a talent, but I don't rate him as a footballer. He bottles out of tackles, and doesn't work hard enough to be a top player. I also doubt that he'll be able to hold down a regular spot in Chelsea or Spurs lineup.
There's a reason they're starting the bidding as low as £25m and it isn't just his contract situation.
61 Posted 30/08/2017 at 10:40:01
62 Posted 30/08/2017 at 10:42:40
Sell him and move on
63 Posted 30/08/2017 at 10:47:56
It's a dangerous game rejecting £25m I don't think there's going to be a bidding war for him.
64 Posted 30/08/2017 at 10:56:06
65 Posted 30/08/2017 at 11:04:25
We need a striker, and more pace down the flanks that has been the real story of missed opportunity this summer, so far.
Creative midfield looks a lot better, and stronger. But we're still only half a team without the missing striking options.
66 Posted 30/08/2017 at 11:09:04
67 Posted 30/08/2017 at 11:13:12
Spurs, like Chelsea, are now desperate to sign players, although maybe if Spurs is where Barkley wants to play, he can sit tight till January and sign a pre-agreement with Spurs.
But I am more concerned in our inability to sign a striker with proven track record Dzeko or Costa anybody else and it's just not going to work.
68 Posted 30/08/2017 at 11:13:43
I couldn't agree more. If he goes to Chelsea or Spurs, he'll soon disappear without trace.
69 Posted 30/08/2017 at 11:34:03
I imagine we will get two or three more in, I'm less convinced on what their quality will be though.
70 Posted 30/08/2017 at 11:42:33
We have no idea... get it?
71 Posted 30/08/2017 at 12:03:33
You might be absolutely right, but with agents social media and players talking to journalists, as well as clubs using the media to buy and sell players. Then how come we have heard nothing about a striker or his club or agent being tapped up. I mean it was public knowledge for months that Koeman wanted Sigurdsson and every bid released through the press.
I hope like most Blues at the end of the window we end up with a striker that will help us achieve our top 4/6 position.
72 Posted 30/08/2017 at 12:14:39
Otherwise, all this will have been proven correct: "amateurish...'fucking Everton' 'dicking about'...'embarrassing'...'desperate' 'absolute disgrace' and other such OTT reactions to us apparently looking at a Watford reserve etc.
73 Posted 30/08/2017 at 12:19:11
Kevin, I hope I'm right as well. But we don't know, do we, what goes on in the Manager's office? Agents bigging their client up to get a better deal by claiming that we want to sign him? Social Media guesswork? We'll see tomorrow...
74 Posted 30/08/2017 at 12:20:11
75 Posted 30/08/2017 at 12:21:30
76 Posted 30/08/2017 at 12:24:53
Anyway, Barkley wants to leave, so it's hardly a mistake selling him is it? Was it a mistake selling Lukaku? Should we have chained him to the bike shed at Finch Farm?
77 Posted 30/08/2017 at 12:25:12
Lukaku got incessant stick for wanting to leave but the club is to blame for Ross's departure?
Ross Barkley wants trophies and money he can get them at Chelseai whilst playing as a bit-part player. He will rotate with the likes of Pedro and Willian. He could have started regularly for us.
We signed his replacement in Sigurdsson he will go for 30-35M in the next 24 hours, especially as Chelsea look like they will miss out on Oxlade-Chamberlain, perhaps because they want him for a wingback role.
Like many on this forum, Barkley is impatient. And he thinks he is better than he is.
78 Posted 30/08/2017 at 12:39:31
79 Posted 30/08/2017 at 13:13:44
However... I seem to remember him wanting to sign a new contract early last year and Koeman asking him to pick up his performances.
I'd much prefer him leave for another league. I'm sure we all wish him well whatever happens. Chelsea are desperate for an English signing!!
80 Posted 30/08/2017 at 13:15:11
He hasn't signed, doesn't want to sign so we are buttfucked on the price we can ask for him.
I am actually amazed they have come in so high.
It seems that they want their homegrown numbers to swell, that's all.
81 Posted 30/08/2017 at 13:37:14
When in form, and in confidence, he is great against lesser teams that give him space and time. He habitually fails to impress in games in which he has less of these. He is too slow on the ball - far slower than the best playmakers in this division. He also isn't exactly a fantastic scorer - His best goal returns are 8 league goals, 6 league goals, and 5 league goals. It doesnt get close to the likes of Alli (18 last season) or Coutinho (13 last season), or even consistently to Sigurdsson (9 last season and 11 the one before).
So why is he world class? He doesnt create as many goals as the best in the division either. Look at the assist numbers boasted by the likes of Eriksen, Ozil, Fabregas etc, whose status as world class players is by no means certain. He doesn't score as many. He gives the ball away too much. He often makes bad decisions. He has long dry spells. He is not a tackler. His positioning often is wanting. He often appears as a square peg in a round hole, lacking the intelligence, seemingly, to play with the fluidity demonstrated by players in other teams.
He is a good player, no doubt. But he is clearly worse than the playmaking and AMC alternatives of virtually all the teams above us.
Can we stop over-exaggerating his abilities just because he is an Everton player? Lukaku never received such easy accolades.
He is a good player who will be a squad player at Chelsea or Spurs because he is less than their starting options.
82 Posted 30/08/2017 at 13:42:40
83 Posted 30/08/2017 at 14:16:37
I would have bitten their hand off for £25m given the circumstances.
84 Posted 30/08/2017 at 15:09:29
He has the odd magical game, or goal, but no where near often enough. No consistancy, similar to Mirallas.
If he could turn it on more often than not, he has the potential to be a legendary player, playing behind the forward in the Teddy Sheringham role.
He doesn't fit Koemans style, or doesn't want to fit.
He wants to go, but lets get top dollar for him. For me, if Chelsea bid £35mil, take it and let him rot on the subs bench
85 Posted 30/08/2017 at 15:24:15
Apparently Pogba & agent stepped & convinced him to go to United pretty last minute.
Not our fault Rom didn't decide to go there.
They want Barkley...
They've now got Morata instead of Rom.
We should look to do a swap deal for Barkley as well as perhaps some small Outlay on top we'd prob have to pay for Batshyaui (given I believe he has minimum 3 years left on contract perhaps more).
He holds the ball up well, strong & has pace but not electric, & can finish.
He gets on the end crosses & can play off the shoulder.
It's a definite option & much better than a lot of the names being thrown about.
I'd try & take Traore on a loan with option to buy - him DCL & Lookman better covers the winger pace issue with (Bolaise injured then getting up to speed this season), Onyekuru on loan etc until next season.
If he has a good season, sign him up at the end of the season, as we're hardly overlooked with wingers with pace (even with everyone fit and back from loans).
86 Posted 30/08/2017 at 15:35:27
87 Posted 30/08/2017 at 16:04:15
I know what you're saying Jay. I too would sooner have had a lot of strikers before him, but Costa aside on a six month loan, he's better than most of the guys we're being linked with.
We've left it so late in the window I'd be amazed to get anybody better now.
88 Posted 30/08/2017 at 16:11:23
There aren't many players who find out that the grass is greener after leaving us. Ross will be playing for someone like Stoke in a couple of years then off to Wolves etc etc.
89 Posted 30/08/2017 at 16:21:24
90 Posted 30/08/2017 at 17:03:18
Too many Brexiteer negotiators on here, there's more to it than ringing someone up and saying 'I want x'.
91 Posted 30/08/2017 at 17:06:33
I don't want our club, to waste money, but I also don't want us to be left in Limbo, by not signing a striker by tomorrow night.
So two in, and two out maybe? The Niasse money can cover the kid from Split, and would also keep the books balanced, and then a big centre forward, can give us some belief, and also help the manager balance the team out?
92 Posted 30/08/2017 at 17:33:13
93 Posted 30/08/2017 at 17:44:07
What we do know is that we agreed to sell our forward very early in the window when he still had years left on his contract.
That was our decision and not the only choice as shown by Southampton and the shite amongst others. It may be difficult to keep players who want to leave but not impossible. We chose to allow it even knowing that we might have spent the last 6 months in a fruitless 24/7 search for his replacement.
Fingers crossed Ray is right and rabbits are about to appear.
94 Posted 30/08/2017 at 17:47:39
Maybe we were right to dismiss the £25m.
95 Posted 30/08/2017 at 17:51:57
If you look at Barkleys return. Then look at the amount of times he loses possession each game; my point being he could be. Could be world class if he didn't lose the ball so much. He could very well develop a lot at another club... or he may not. It could go either way. As I said. Or did I..,
The clock is ticking.
44 midfielders. One left back. 2 average right backs. Once injured winger. One -21 winger. One -21 striker.
96 Posted 30/08/2017 at 17:53:02
Just imagine, with all that activity, and all the changes, if we were to end up pretty much where we already were at the end of last season, with a basically zero or low net spend, and a less enjoyable style of football. Might kind of rubber stamp the futility of it all.
97 Posted 30/08/2017 at 18:08:54
98 Posted 30/08/2017 at 18:44:11
Ross has suffered some years of abuse online and in the stands. Is it any surprise he wants to leave? What is painful is that it is his own people who have been the most hurtful. Genuinely depressed at this turn of events and hope he goes on to fulfill his potential wherever he ends up. Has everything been done to try and keep him?
99 Posted 30/08/2017 at 18:45:03
100 Posted 30/08/2017 at 19:02:46
What we've heard in the open, or not heard, would tend to suggest, no.
We of course don't know the behind-the-scenes details. We don't know a single thought of Ross on the subject since he's said nothing whatsoever.
101 Posted 30/08/2017 at 19:04:06
It is extremely difficult to read a thread when the page keeps taking you back to the top - so you can see an unwanted video ad, and one which insists playing at full volume too (even after you've muted it)!
Trying to read the last four posts, I've been taken back up the page four times - and again while writing this. This is not the first time this has happened to me when trying to digest a page.
I greatly value your efforts, and cherish this site, and I appreciate you have to try and make it pay, I really do, but my visits are going to be few and far between if the ads are going to be so intrusive in future.
Sorry to be a nark. :(
SEE NEXT POST: Tx Martin, I'll give that a go. I see Adblocker in Chrome needs re-activating.
102 Posted 30/08/2017 at 19:05:56
103 Posted 30/08/2017 at 19:08:53
Absolutely, a tragedy that we haven't made a very public effort to make Ross feel like Everton was the place for him to be.
104 Posted 30/08/2017 at 19:15:39
Two at least out of the top 6 teams appear to want to buy him, they presumably rate him. Who else in our team do they fancy, a fit Coleman maybe, after that a big fat zero. On top of that it appears that we cannot attract here any player that the top 6 teams want to sign!
We start each season on a wing and a prayer and not much else I'm afraid, each time we produce a top quality player their off to the said top 6.
Where are all the transfer funds that was going to give us a fighting chance of success, disappeared by the looks of it!
Not very promising is it.
105 Posted 30/08/2017 at 19:19:04
106 Posted 30/08/2017 at 19:26:58
107 Posted 30/08/2017 at 19:30:26
I think offering him £100,000 per week is a very public statement of how much they wanted him to stay. It is his choice not to sign the contract, I don't see what more the club could do.
The fact is he wants away, and I wish him well but like many who have left before he might find its not always greener in a new pasture.
108 Posted 30/08/2017 at 19:38:03
Barkley is a Blue, claims to the contrary are just foolish. It's no surprise that most of the trumped-up accusations against Barkley are coming from card-carrying Koeman acolytes.
"Wants more money"; "Thinks he is better than he actually is"; "not an Evertonian" — All utter bollocks spouted by people who have no idea what he thinks.
Oh and "He's thick" — A staggeringly stupid claim made by idiots who don't see the irony of calling a guy thick they have never met and whom they know absolutely nothing about.
I don't believe what I read on here sometimes, people want to praise tackling machines to the rooftops, but they want to "dispose" of a guy who could create more in a moment than Gana and Schneiderlin combined will create in a month.
No wonder our football is so damned unpretty… we've actually got fans who seem to like it that way.
I feel like I've died and woke up in Stoke!
109 Posted 30/08/2017 at 19:43:56
110 Posted 30/08/2017 at 19:54:21
It's your opinion, just as those who don't agree with you have their opinion.
No undeniable proof either way so merely opinions.
111 Posted 30/08/2017 at 19:57:46
I still retain some faith in Koeman (the alternative, that we have got it so appallingly wrong is unthinkable).
Right now, though, I just keep thinking Gordon fucking Lee — not Moyes… Lee!!!
112 Posted 30/08/2017 at 20:01:26
Barkley wants £150 grand a week and he's not going to get it at Everton – and rightly so in my opinion. The club offered him a very good contract and he turned it down.
I don't believe it has anything to do with Koeman being the manager (if he thinks he's under pressure with us, wait till he moves!).
Money, money, money, money is what it's all about – it's the reason he wants to move and it's the reason Moshiri is at Everton.
Chamberlain turned down £180 grand a week from Arsenal. I will say that again — £180 grand for an ordinary player — this is what Everton FC are competing with.
Football has gone fucking mad , it is absolute crazy. Barkley will get close to what he wants at one club — Chelsea. Spurs won't pay him more than Harry Kane or Delle Alli.
113 Posted 30/08/2017 at 20:06:49
I kinda expected you would be lurking with your "I know somebody who Knows Barkley is after more money" nonsense. I hope you realise how ridiculous it sounds.
I asked others if they doubted Barkley wasn't prepared to commit to Koeman. If you read the post, I didn't give an opinion about it.
114 Posted 30/08/2017 at 20:15:49
I was getting that Google prize pop up most of yesterday evening and only on here. It was coming from a variety of sources but identical in content. Fucking nuisance too.
115 Posted 30/08/2017 at 20:18:10
The Ox, as mentioned above is going to the RS for less money than the contract offered at Arsenal, but we'll all hate him even more for different reasons.
Players come & go, and just because Ross is a local doesn't really matter either. Yes we all want local lads playing for the club, but that's blue-tinted-old-school thinking and football has moved on since the days of local loyalty.
Personally I don't see what else the club can do - we offered him a deal, he turned it down - money, Koeman, darker reasons, we'll likely never know but it looks as though he'e going so we take the money and move on. The club is bigger etc etc.
116 Posted 30/08/2017 at 20:21:07
117 Posted 30/08/2017 at 20:25:10
118 Posted 30/08/2017 at 20:29:28
Darren, I don't know the ins and outs of the Barkley situation but I do know he's the most naturally talented player on our books. It will be a shame, imo, to see him leave but then again, I was saddened to see Stones and Lukaku (our Crown Jewels) leave as well.
119 Posted 30/08/2017 at 20:42:19
He loves the club but he loves football too, and I have no doubt he would walk over broken glass for Everton. Then came Koeman and the continuous singling out of his performances while those around him copped for nothing. Sounds so familiar with Mirallas to be honest.
I think there is an issue with the player and the manager that is impassable and so he has asked to move on. I cannot blame him for that and it makes far more sense to me than just holding out for more money. Everton are his dream team. But dreams go sour.
I hope to god the lad never looks at ToffeeWeb, because some of the comments are frankly disgraceful and I feel ashamed reading them.
Yeah I know, it's just my opinion, but I trust my gut when it comes to Everton, it's in my blood!
120 Posted 30/08/2017 at 20:50:17
121 Posted 30/08/2017 at 20:55:15
Very well put and on this I completely agree with you.
You too Christine.
122 Posted 30/08/2017 at 21:04:33
123 Posted 30/08/2017 at 21:05:40
124 Posted 30/08/2017 at 21:05:51
I agree with you Darren in the spirit of the argument but it's not helping when he doesn't sign that lucrative contract. Perhaps it is because of Koeman that is the problem, but until Moshiri axes him, Koeman makes the decisions. Not my top choice, but definitely manager of my club.
As a fellow blue, I hoped he would knuckle in to prove Koeman wrong but that hasn't happened yet. I do hope Barkley commits soon but until that happens, fans will be easily swayed by whatever they see on MSM.
125 Posted 30/08/2017 at 21:07:41
126 Posted 30/08/2017 at 21:13:54
Here's a question for you. I've seen two championship winning teams. I'm guessing you've seen three (four?). How many inconsistent, misunderstood 'flair' players were regulars in those teams?
127 Posted 30/08/2017 at 21:16:02
By the way, my view on Koeman is more open minded than it has been but I believe you are putting forward an argument without a shred of evidence to back it.
128 Posted 30/08/2017 at 21:18:00
I'm in complete agreement, he's getting rid of the most skilful player at the club, and nothing against Klaassen, but he wouldn't lace his boots.
129 Posted 30/08/2017 at 21:20:02
Now that IS the best post ever on TW! Predicting exactly what the next post will be!
OK, I guess you were in time to hit the Edit button after reading the pot that followed yours. But it does it does look good!
130 Posted 30/08/2017 at 21:20:40
131 Posted 30/08/2017 at 21:22:40
I don't claim to know someone who knows someone but my nephew is a regular at Finch Farm with kids football.
He has made a few mates who claim the atmosphere is toxic, the academy has been distanced from the first team squad hence the bust up with Sheedy and him leaving. I do believe Ross would stay if it wasn't for Koeman.
132 Posted 30/08/2017 at 21:24:30
All speculation of course.
133 Posted 30/08/2017 at 21:32:15
Go on Davey lad get them signed up
134 Posted 30/08/2017 at 21:36:35
The main overriding issue for me is that unless Koeman has done/said unspeakable things to Ross, I can't understand why he doesn't just knuckle down and prove him wrong.
I remember as a young boy hating Lee for getting rid of McKenzie. I soon forgot it a year later when we finished third, playing cracking football and scoring loads of goals.
Hope something similar happens this time!
135 Posted 30/08/2017 at 21:38:04
Oh well, lets get back to discussing why Barkley wants to leave.
136 Posted 30/08/2017 at 21:49:04
Player refuses contract.
Club sell player.
Same as it ever was.
137 Posted 30/08/2017 at 21:53:46
There is no "evidence" to justify lashing Koeman for being the sole reason Barkley wants to leave, but only opinion, and that's the foundation of the TW site.
What we do know is that that Koeman, despite picking him to take part in 39 matches last season has, like every other manager whose had Barkley in their squads, been unable to assist the lad progress in developing his own skills and team-play to the extent we all hoped he'd have done well before his imminent 24th birthday.
138 Posted 30/08/2017 at 21:57:27
It's gossip, tittle tattle over the garden fence.
Nobody on here knows. All conjecture.
139 Posted 30/08/2017 at 22:25:26
There have been games this season where I've thought we could do with him. Having said that, given Koeman's repeated poor tactics, I'm not confident he'd know how to get the best out of Barkley anyway (or indeed any other player), so it seems almost academic whether Barkley plays or not.
Koeman's tactics seem so chaotic, I have far more confidence in Barkley (even given his inconsistency) than I do in Koeman.
140 Posted 30/08/2017 at 22:44:30
141 Posted 30/08/2017 at 22:54:51
Regarding related comments that have been made about how Barkley's career will pan out, these are mere predicting, forecasting, soothsaying. In other words, a complete waste of time and not worthy of further consideration. In contrast, it will be interesting to actually see how Barkley's career pans out if and when he finally gets the opportunity to play under a really decent manager.
142 Posted 30/08/2017 at 23:05:12
John Stones is a show pony. None of the top four will take him.
That Lukaku is a flat track bully. The top clubs in Europe won't be interested in him.
What? They've gone? Never mind let's get players in who want to play for us. Players like Ashley Williams and Morgan Schneiderlin and Sandro Ramirez.
Nil satis nisi whatever.
143 Posted 30/08/2017 at 23:06:13
144 Posted 30/08/2017 at 23:08:23
145 Posted 30/08/2017 at 23:15:59
146 Posted 30/08/2017 at 23:23:51
Not sure why we're still going on about Barkley tbh. He was regularly picked last season (so can't say RK didn't rate him), he was offered a 100k/week contract (so can't say club/RK doesn't rate him) but he turned it down.
Why did he turn it down? Not a single person on TW has a scooby doo. Clash with RK, ex going out with some gangster, more money, new challenge, who the fk knows?
Fact is he hasn't signed a new contract and is in the last year of his current one (and is injured till Dec). Any sensible club would sell and move on. Don't really need to debate that surely?
Would be great when it happens so TW can finally move on and we don't have to debate 'when will Ross fulfill his potential' in 2023, when he's 30 years old.
Glad Lukakus gone personally and I'll be glad when Barkleys gone too, if only so we can finally move on. The 'kid' is almost 24 and we're still waiting for whatever potential to be achieved. He's clearly not going to do it at GP so may as well have a crack elsewhere.
147 Posted 30/08/2017 at 23:32:36
Still, let's not point a finger at Barkley himself eh? Five seasons, nearly 150 games and what'll he be remembered for when he's gone? Only two great goals, sublime skills that he usually squandered by rank bad decisions/passes, bursting into tears after a shite personal performance in a semi, an aversion to tackling or getting in the face of any opponent in possession and, er, that's it.
Still, if only he'd been managed by a so-called super-manager I suppose, all of them being coincidentally in charge of teams with vast monies available to them and fabulous squads required to a one to maximise their talents to the consistent benefit of the team's success or they're out; dropped, benched or sold.
Or have I missed something?
148 Posted 30/08/2017 at 23:36:53
149 Posted 30/08/2017 at 23:43:00
What about if Barkley leaves and we have the midfield water carriers to get all excited about?
Lukaku was the best striker we've had in a generation and Barkley has the potential to be a great player. I understand that at times he fails to live up to that potential but sometimes is it not better to live in hope?
What's the alternative? The football we've endured so far this season?
150 Posted 30/08/2017 at 23:47:39
151 Posted 30/08/2017 at 23:51:37
152 Posted 30/08/2017 at 23:58:51
Distance run or number of passes back to the keeper? Take your pick.
153 Posted 30/08/2017 at 00:22:37
Does anyone really doubt that it is Koeman rather than the club who Barkley does not want to commit to ?
Well, do YOU doubt it?
You may have worded it as a question but it's fair to say that's your opinion, (unless of course you're among the "anyone" you ask the question of and you do doubt it) and that's all it is and all it will ever be unless you provide proof, just like you regularly ask others to do.
I'm not even saying you're wrong but it's "just your opinion" and bringing up things I said on another thread won't change the fact.
My "opinion" for what it's worth (which by the way is as much as yours) is that Barkley's refusal to sign a new contract could be due to a number of factors including (but not limited to) money, advice from person/s outside the club, personal happiness/safety (within and outwith the club), and the need for a change of scenery after being with Everton for 12 years or so. But remember that's just my opinion, and just like arseholes everybody has one. ;-)
154 Posted 31/08/2017 at 00:53:07
The facts are that we have a player who will not commit to the club. The club has to sell him, because if not, he will leave for nothing.
Whatever the reason, Barkley has forced the club's hand here by not renewing his contract. He is entitled to do that, whatever his motivations. But it all leads to one outcome - the player leaving the club, be it now or in 12 months.
If we can sell him now, we'd be foolish not to.
155 Posted 31/08/2017 at 01:31:10
Off the top of my head I can remember a half-dozen times he made me explode -- the blast against Watford, the Panenka (Newcastle I believe?), the left-footer against Arsenal, a couple of free kicks, the breakaway against Bournemouth and most of all the swerving bullet cross to Rom against Leicester, right in front of me in my first game at Goodison. A lifetime memory that.
Criticize him all you want, and I'll join you, because he drove me nuts at times with his brainlessness... but to describe his entire Everton career in the terms you used is pure chickenshit.
156 Posted 31/08/2017 at 01:38:46
Taking his invisibility as a ball-winner into proper account he just HAS to do what players playing in his position for the teams above us do by scoring and creating decisive/spectacular goals with way more regularity, a la Gylfi who's done it for years in a poorer team whilst also tackling and pressing.
And Stan, I abhorred Martinez, and by the time of his last season was ambivalent about Moyes, but who can you name from managers of clubs other than those regularly above us who were at the time better, in particular with reference to Moyes?
It's not that I'm making a ringing endorsement of Moyes, and you'll not find a message from me on TW yet singing Koeman's talents as a manager either (I'm just patient), but by definition all three are/were very close to the top of their profession, sad as that may be.
Great or even good players change perceptions across the board but unfortunately Ross ain't one of them and has only been able to change most people's perceptions of him in a downwards trajectory.
157 Posted 31/08/2017 at 01:54:53
158 Posted 31/08/2017 at 01:56:58
Even you describe his play as sometimes "brainless" and you're quite right, it is, and that can only be consistently detrimental to the team. Hence I come to the opinion that he's thick in refusing to sign another contract that'll continue to add to his millions whilst trying to play for the club he allegedly supports rather than a.n.other club where he's most likely to get injured from piles rather than hammies unless he has a fundamental change in performance.
159 Posted 31/08/2017 at 03:15:01
I think the player has to take a look at himself and realise why the manager acted as he did. I don't buy Christine's argument that it was contiuous criticism. Go back and check the interviews, it was a few times. I think the manager was trying different ways to get a response from the player to actually perform consistently to the level he clearly is able to.
Shame he is leaving, but if he is such a dedicated Evertonian, he would stay and prove the manager wrong. I suspect he is a professional footballer who wants to play at a higher level as soon as possible. Do you think he is so desperate to leave that, if Newcastle came in and offered a bumper deal, he would go there?
Time will tell if he ever proves to be as good as he could be, but he wants to move on. No team needs players who are openly willing to leave, it creates the wrong atmosphere. Good luck and all that.
160 Posted 31/08/2017 at 03:36:09
We did good business early, bringing in England long term Number 1 in Jordan Pickford, Quality in young defender Michael Keane and a 'productive' midfielder in Davy Klaassen whilst getting rid of dead wood to give the squad a fresher look. I would so far give our transfer Window a 5/10, the reason why for my low mark will be explained in more detail when I talk about koemans 'tactics'.
Although we have upgraded our first team squad we have lost our best player for many years, which is to me blatantly obviously for our first 3 Premier League games. We have absolutely no focus point to our game and I'm struggling to see what Koemans approach is.
Anybody who has seen the film 'Moneyball' give it a watch as I believe this is what koeman is trying to replicate and it is why he is obsessed with the word 'productivity'. Buying players with the best statistics and jamming them into an 11 doesn't give you anything in this sport and never will.
This 5-2-2-1 formation is doing absolutely nothing for us. If we compare ourselves to Chelsea who use the 3 or 5 at the back to us then it is obvious that in order for that formation to work you need 'Wing Backs'.
How often does Alonso or Moses get on the score sheet or assist goals, create chances etc? You need willing runners in your wing backs who will provide width and will break the lines to open up gaps for the midfield. You also need a deep lying playmaker who will spray the ball and find the gaps the runners are running into, for this Chelsea have Fabregas.
So when Chelsea play with 3 at the back they are actually playing with 3 in defence with Wing backs either side. We do not have wing backs and that is the reason for my 5/10 mark. We have full backs so us by playing this formation is us playing 5 in defence and inviting unnecessary pressure onto ourselves. If Koeman wanted to play this way he should have done exactly what Pep has done at City and spent money on 'Wing backs'.
The way City have spent it is clear to see what their philosophy and way of playing will be this season. I genuinely believe Koeman has brought in players who have impressive stats and is trying to win games this way, however statistics are over rated, the only statistics that matter after 90 minutes are the ones on the scoreboard.
Forget the Europa League games as they aren't the quality of opposition we will be up against all season and focus on the Premier League games. I don't see any purpose to our play, absolutely no focal point. What I see is us playing a lot of percentage balls. Lukaku was a massive presence, he automatically had 2 people marking him and in turn created space for players around him.
He will be very hard to replace and any Everton fan who tells me otherwise I would like to point them into our track record with Number 9 strikers. It is a forgone conclusion that we was going to lose him and to keep him against his will this season would have been bad business and bad for morale.
However, if we promised him 1 2months ago he could leave we should have had a striker ready on a pre contract to come in at the start of the season to hit the ground running. We need a presence upfront and for me Giroud would have been perfect, that isn't going to happen so that I will leave up to Walsh and co. to figure out.
This is a massive 12 months for Koeman and if he doesn't finish 7th in the league with better cup runs that last year I expect him to face the chop.
Our first 11 is nowhere near good enough to compete with the top 6 but it is far to good to finish below 7th, I believe we are in a league of our own at the moment and I see we are building for the future with our signings. However, I want to see a style of football being played and a purpose to our game.
What I am getting at is, I want to see some direction on the pitch from Everton Football Club, we never know what to expect come match day with line ups and formations, for me that must be confusing for a player who is being told he must play in different systems each week. To maximise the potential surely Koeman has to identify his way of playing and implement that style, whatever that may be. However, I feel like he doesn't even know what style he wants to play and he definitely doesn't know his best 11 which is very concerning.
Any thoughts would be great.
161 Posted 31/08/2017 at 05:43:16
Come on that's not the standard of question I expect from you.
Of course Barkley would not have gotten into our great sides, he wasn't skilful enough to play in the centre of The Cats midfield and he was hard enough for Kendal's,.but come on . . There would be no more than a handful of players since we won the title thirty years ago who would even create a debate if you asked that question about them.
Questions like that will have the hard of thinking nodding their approval, but if we sold every current player who wouldn't get into those teams, we'd have to invite eleven from the crowd to line up against Spurs.
I asked the question whether his relationship with Koeman was the reason he was leaving because I could see nothing but the usual bollocks being spouted by those desperate for Koeman to save face here.
Whilst every single allegation against Barkley has been made without any foundation whatsoever. The one about his relationship with Koeman has more legs than a fucking centipede.
We know Koeman was tetchy when asked about Barkleys contracts early last season when he snapped saying it would be discussed in the summer.
We know Koeman has singled him out repeatedly for criticism because he was unable to adapt to his zombie football - not once has he singled out one of his less than gifted tackling machines.
We know he tried to bully Barkley by issuing a half witted deadline/s soon after the club offered him a contract - The one papers like the s#n and the Mail claimed was for 100k a week.
We know that whilst Barkley has kept a dignified silence the manager has repeatedly tried to PUBLICALLY paint him as the villain.
Jamie Redknap who had spent time working with Ross. Told sky sports viewers that all wasn't well, he predicted six months ago that Ross would end up at Spurs.
All anyone can do is speculate, but lets at least use whatever evidence we DO have when coming to our conclusions.
I'm so glad those attacking a player who has said nothing throughout this entire saga are not sitting on the jury of a murder trial. Half of them would want to find the victim guilty and have him banged up
162 Posted 31/08/2017 at 05:57:11
A message from America. Delivered with chilling accuracy
163 Posted 31/08/2017 at 06:44:05
Nobody on TW knows what has gone on.
164 Posted 31/08/2017 at 09:35:39
Do you really think it's just poor managers that are stopping Ross fulfilling his talent? Is it managers determining his poor decision making? Is it managers making him run down blind alleys?
Managers can give players an extra edge, the players need to figure things out for themselves as well.
I understand that it's easy pickings for you to have go at people calling Barkley thick and greedy. I've put those in the same conjecture bin as your 'unable to adapt to his zombie football' stuff.
I hope he stays. I hope he learns from the good players we've brought in. If he leaves, I wish him all the best, except when he plays us.
165 Posted 31/08/2017 at 09:44:43
166 Posted 31/08/2017 at 09:57:11
167 Posted 31/08/2017 at 09:58:02
Conjecture I know, but once he decided to leave, he's obviously been told by his agent, and the club, who are going to try and buy him on the cheap, to keep fucking schtumm?
Koeman, fucked-up badly, and also might have shown a bit of contempt for Barkley, for having the temerity to want loads more money than his boss, and this has played right into Barkley's hands, and cost Everton, loads of money, if we compare it to Oxlaide.
The only time Ross Barkley, has kept a dignified silence to me, is when he refused to speak to the police after he got a well deserved smack in town!
168 Posted 31/08/2017 at 10:00:28
169 Posted 31/08/2017 at 10:49:16
In all walks of life, managers & staff sometimes don't get on. I've seen it myself, even with the best managers I've worked with. Same in football. They'll have a rumour mill, too. If Koeman was that bad .
170 Posted 31/08/2017 at 10:54:51
Well, well, who'd of guessed that ??! Chas and Dave will be over the moon. All Koeman's fault I guess.
171 Posted 31/08/2017 at 10:56:10
172 Posted 31/08/2017 at 11:27:25
However, that's beside the point. That point being Lukaku wanted to leave, he did so a year ago and by all accounts we asked if he would give us one more season, which he did. So we sold him and for an astronomical amount. End of.
Barkley, as stated many times, also wants to leave (reason not really relevant) so again what's the point in debating the player. Sell for the highest price as his heads certainly not in the right place. Nevermind the fact he's injured till Dec and in the last year of his contract.
Main thing is to hope we can sign some decent players today. I'm still hopeful given we signed Lukaku and Barry on deadline day 4 years ago.
Let see what the squad looks like tomorrow morning. We def need a striker as a minimum.
173 Posted 31/08/2017 at 11:28:58
174 Posted 31/08/2017 at 14:01:27
175 Posted 31/08/2017 at 22:18:12
176 Posted 01/09/2017 at 16:45:40
The lad just sounds to me like he doesn't know what he wants much like his inconsistent play on the field whereby he always seemed in two minds whether to pass, shoot or try a dribble.
He may become a loanee again when he is fully fit or just knuckle down and fight for a place at Goodison.
177 Posted 01/09/2017 at 16:48:43
178 Posted 01/09/2017 at 16:54:23
In January won't he be free to sign a pre-contract with another club?
Which means he can command a large personal signing on fee, whereas EvertonFC will receive no transfer fee at all.
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