Ronald Koeman has made signing a replacement for last season's top goalscorer a priority before the window shuts on Thursday but a shortage of viable targets has seen the number of names being linked dwindle.
A move for Wilfried Bony has been rumoured and now The Mirror claim that a loan approach for Okaka, who scored twice against Everton last season but is not a regular in the Hornets' starting XI, could be in the offing.
Original Source: The Mirror
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1 Posted 29/08/2017 at 22:50:09
2 Posted 29/08/2017 at 22:55:27
3 Posted 29/08/2017 at 22:55:50
With the initial signings, we did it all right, good, provenm solid and young players to improve our spine. All we needed was the fine trimmings of pace and flair to make this a team to be reckoned with, and they've gone and screwed it up.
ANd when you see the shite add Salah and possibly lamar to their attacking forces all you can say is 'fucking everton' and accept that the claims of a top-4 target were actually bullshit
4 Posted 29/08/2017 at 22:56:00
5 Posted 29/08/2017 at 22:57:50
6 Posted 29/08/2017 at 22:59:46
7 Posted 29/08/2017 at 23:02:55
8 Posted 29/08/2017 at 23:04:29
I thought we had moved on from shambolic transfer windows but this would wipe out all previous excitement from this window.
9 Posted 29/08/2017 at 23:06:21
I think the media is being fed ted herrings to keep them off the scent.
10 Posted 29/08/2017 at 23:06:58
11 Posted 29/08/2017 at 23:08:33
12 Posted 29/08/2017 at 23:13:17
I'm optimistic we'll sign a decent striker by the end of Thursday.
13 Posted 29/08/2017 at 23:13:19
14 Posted 29/08/2017 at 23:13:39
We're now getting linked with just about every 10-12 goal a season forward in our league.
15 Posted 29/08/2017 at 23:17:53
Maybe we can get Brian and Mark Stein.
Billy Whitehurst and Mick Harford.
16 Posted 29/08/2017 at 23:21:34
17 Posted 29/08/2017 at 23:45:22
Think you'll be pleasantly surprised.
18 Posted 29/08/2017 at 23:48:46
19 Posted 29/08/2017 at 23:59:18
20 Posted 29/08/2017 at 00:00:05
Personally, I suspect it will be Costa, but that's a personal view. I'm hearing we might have somebody from abroad, I just hope it's not Jimenez for £40m. Dendoncker perhaps?
21 Posted 30/08/2017 at 00:10:46
Please refer to article by Eugene Raune at the start of the window.
22 Posted 30/08/2017 at 00:20:45
...searching for secret signing info embedded in your message...
...eyes glazing over...
23 Posted 30/08/2017 at 00:21:24
Costa. Absolutely if we get him for the season. Until January will be pointless I think as by the time he's up to speed he'll be off so in effect we'd be paying his wages to get him fit for Madrid!
I hope not re the Benfica lad too, but that's based on his stats. What he's like as a player I have no clue. But if we only went by stats Walsh wouldn't have got Vardy in. £40m even in today's fees seems ridiculous based on what we know thought. And imagine the outrage on here!
Deodoncker? Not sure how he's solve our striker issue?
24 Posted 30/08/2017 at 00:24:18
File under; No shit Sherlock...should've been sorted first up...but maybe they thought it was with Sandro and Koeman's faith in Calvert-Lewin.
25 Posted 30/08/2017 at 00:31:55
26 Posted 30/08/2017 at 01:03:57
I'd settle for the Steins at this point.
27 Posted 30/08/2017 at 01:14:23
28 Posted 30/08/2017 at 01:14:24
If he can get fit and be contributing by mid-September then, there are a lot of games that he can make a difference in, and it'll give the club an extra bit of time to sort out a permanent replacement in January.
Remember what we currently have available to us. We need to find a centre forward to come in, be first choice, and hit the ground running. There aren't a lot of other options who carry the same goal-threat that Costa does.
29 Posted 30/08/2017 at 01:20:37
Deals for the bigger transfers seem to take longer. It wouldn't surprise me if we did settle for a loan with January arrivals being lined up as soon as the window closes (if we don't get in who we want). But a loan deal would be for someone like Costa, who would certainly give us firepower and a target up top.
Only issue for me is that he probably wouldn't be allowed to play in Europe as part of the deal. COYB and all will be revealed. Remember, if Jim White says it... 'DISREGARD'... along with that yellow tie!
30 Posted 30/08/2017 at 01:24:33
Only problem with that is Costa has done zero training in pre-season. Fit by mid September? Highly unlikely. Players normally get 6 weeks in pre-season to be ready. That 6 weeks takes us to mid October. Then he'd be gone by January. And how committed would he be as he knows he'll be back in Madrid a few weeks later?
I would love Costa. But it surely has to be for the full season if we consider this as a serious option. I don't want us to be paying his wages for his pre-season training before he heads to Madrid once he's fit.
31 Posted 30/08/2017 at 01:43:06
It's also notable that some have far more truncated pre-seasons. For example, multiple players were involved in the Confederations Cup this year. Cedric Soares of Southampton had less than two weeks training before starting for Southampton in their opener (he played in one pre-season game). Sanchez did a similar thing last season I believe.
In the unlikely event that Costa signed, he'd have over a week's training before the weekend. I'd expect he'd miss the first game back, playing in an under 23 match to get fitness. I'd then expect him to be in the mix for the following Sunday, some two and a half weeks after the transfer deadline.
Also this Okaka stuff is barmy and likely bullshit. I wonder, though, if Koeman saw Sandro as a Lukaku replacement, but has thought better of it of late, as our focus has moved away from a back up striker (Niang) to a starter (Vardy, Costa etc).
32 Posted 30/08/2017 at 01:56:33
I watched Okaka in their first game of the season against the RS. He looked tremendous for 20 mins then disappeared. Seems like a perfect replacement for Lukaku based on that evidence.
33 Posted 30/08/2017 at 02:18:53
34 Posted 30/08/2017 at 02:20:12
35 Posted 30/08/2017 at 02:24:46
36 Posted 30/08/2017 at 02:50:36
If so, then we should be demanding the resignation of Steve Walsh for starters. He was meant to be the man with all the contacts as the club moved forward. The best he can find is a big lump of lard from Watford reserves??
37 Posted 30/08/2017 at 02:53:42
38 Posted 30/08/2017 at 02:56:56
Lu-Kaku to Oh-Kaka! It's a twist on names and 100% a wind-up
If not I'm ok-kay with it...
39 Posted 30/08/2017 at 02:58:02
40 Posted 30/08/2017 at 03:04:50
41 Posted 30/08/2017 at 03:42:53
42 Posted 30/08/2017 at 03:51:27
It's absolutely farcical that we have supposed plans to be top 4/6 but are scraping the barrel with rumoured targets like Okaka and even Llorente.
With Koeman continually publically announcing the team's need for a striker, something doesn't sound right at the top level of the club. If we don't get someone decent in by the deadline, I wouldn't be surprised if Koeman walks. He has talked about the 'project' and the time limit he has to do things, if he isn't being provided the resources to meet these targets, he might think screw it! While a number of TW'bers would rejoice at this, we'd be left with a managerless under-strength team.
43 Posted 30/08/2017 at 03:55:23
I just hope the paper talk is just that. Some of the names we have been associated with wouldn't get a game for Tranmere.
44 Posted 30/08/2017 at 03:58:50
Jose Baxter was brought in to replace Lukaku!
It all makes sense now!
Where is the ambition? It seems like Koeman has been frustrated recently too when he demands the management to bring in more players publicly (he also says the net spending is close to $0 so far). I think he will leave after the year if we don't provide him more support.
45 Posted 30/08/2017 at 04:28:12
46 Posted 30/08/2017 at 07:07:46
47 Posted 30/08/2017 at 07:58:30
1) it seems like the club put all their eggs into a punt on Giroud which was always 50-50. Short sighted.
2) from the outside it doesn't seem like there is a list of targets. More like 'where do we go from here?'
3) does this scouting team really know European football? All of our targets seem to be Premier League players. Really limits the market.
4) Pickford, Keane good buys, but very obvious. Fair play on getting Sandro. Klaassen I feel is a step up on Davies ATM. Sigurdsson seems an expensive square peg for a round hole. I question Koeman's knowledge of what he wants and players on the market.
48 Posted 30/08/2017 at 08:10:48
I am optimistic though, that we will get someone, of a decent pedigree, age and hopefully, not too much baggage, over the line, before the clock strikes ' We're doomed '.
All in all, I think we haven't done too badly with the admissions department, although the jury is out on a couple of them. Why, why, Delilah,do we leave it to this late stage, to get arguably the most important one, (ie; the goalscorer) till last.
Just before I close, I did mention on another post, that I do think we have missed a decent player for £7-8M in Kieran Gibbs, who couldn't agree personal terms with Watford, and now looks to have been snapped up by WBA, just saying as a point of interest.
49 Posted 30/08/2017 at 08:10:57
Time will tell
50 Posted 30/08/2017 at 08:16:12
51 Posted 30/08/2017 at 08:17:12
52 Posted 30/08/2017 at 08:18:57
53 Posted 30/08/2017 at 08:23:42
While we have definetely added quality the one gaping hole is in attack. Seems like all our energy went in to Gilfi.
54 Posted 30/08/2017 at 08:24:36
55 Posted 30/08/2017 at 08:40:32
56 Posted 30/08/2017 at 08:46:27
57 Posted 30/08/2017 at 08:55:08
58 Posted 30/08/2017 at 08:56:05
Surely we have a decent striker lined up, ready to sign? If not, we are truly an absolute shambles...still.
59 Posted 30/08/2017 at 08:58:57
I'm surprised we haven't brought in someone from Serie A yet.
60 Posted 30/08/2017 at 09:09:27
We are all frustrated, well I say all, if not, we should all be, having left it this late, to get arguably your most important player over the line.
I am fairly confident that we will get someone, but let's just hope, It's not a journeyman donkey.
61 Posted 30/08/2017 at 09:13:18
Fast forward and Liverpool are buying keita van dyke and lemar, Man U took lukaku and normal service is truely resumed with us scraping the barrel the day before the deadline closes. Depressing stuff.
62 Posted 30/08/2017 at 09:13:43
63 Posted 30/08/2017 at 09:19:32
We've got 36 hours or so to make what should have been the priority signing this Summer. A high class striker able to add potency and regular goals to what is currently a very limited attack.
Can't believe we've left it this late to be honest but if they pull a rabbit out of the hat then I guess it will be justified. If that rabbit is Okaka...
64 Posted 30/08/2017 at 09:21:16
All eyes on the boardroom!
65 Posted 30/08/2017 at 09:41:24
66 Posted 30/08/2017 at 09:41:25
67 Posted 30/08/2017 at 09:43:45
I know the goal was to replace his goals by spreading it across the team but you need at least a main focal point to attract defenders attentions. Our lack of pace and a centre forward is hurting us massively and whilst the squad is massively improved the team doesn't have a good balance to it in terms of attacking threat.
We had better be pulling ou tall the stops otherwise the preseason positivity will quickly disappear.
68 Posted 30/08/2017 at 09:45:49
69 Posted 30/08/2017 at 09:50:28
70 Posted 30/08/2017 at 10:36:00
The reality is that we got lucky when we signed Lukaku, and getting a striker of similar ability is not easy much harder than getting good players in other positions as they are very few and far between. I can think of Giroud, Benteke, Dzeko and Costa who've done it in the Premier League, all very hard and very expensive to get but I get the impression Everton have made approaches for all of them over the summer.
If we can't get one of these, I would say it's better to go for a loan (which would be the case with Costa anyway) rather than spend money on an average player, and that's what the club seems to be weighing up. So let's see what happens in the next 36 hours and then we can decide what we think about it.
71 Posted 30/08/2017 at 10:47:09
72 Posted 30/08/2017 at 11:08:16
I'd speculate that the club were very confident on Giroud and hadn't expected him to stay at Arsenal to sit on the bench.
It's going to be very difficult to get any quality now and the selling side won't be able to replace them.
73 Posted 30/08/2017 at 11:24:22
Not from the horse's mouth, but from inside Goodison Park!!!
74 Posted 30/08/2017 at 11:37:37
We used to be well known for keeping things under wraps at Everton, and Evertonians were rightly proud of that fact; nowadays, if you haven't heard about the latest shit dropped by Koeman, you all freak out about it. Then, when certain 'news' does come out, everyone freaks out about that too.
You can't win.
75 Posted 30/08/2017 at 11:47:41
Give me young hungry players over journeymen any day. The Moshiri money isn't going very far, is it? Jonny Evans for £25m the world has gone mad.
76 Posted 30/08/2017 at 11:55:35
77 Posted 30/08/2017 at 11:59:09
I do think however, that there was, and hopefully still is, the pursuit of a player, with similar status.
Furthermore, I know sometimes negotiations and work permits can take time to complete.
Now being the Devil's Advocate, and the assumptions above have any credence, I do think, given the time since the Lukaku deal, it is inconceivable that nothing has happened till this, the latest hours to get any deal done.
I do remain hopeful, that a surprise addition is still to happen, otherwise the others we have brought in have an uphill battle, to score the goals we would need to improve, or indeed retain seventh place.
78 Posted 30/08/2017 at 12:01:02
I hope all these rumours of other target's are some sort of diversion and we sign him at the last moment as to prevent a bidding war but it looks like no-one is interested for some strange reason.
79 Posted 30/08/2017 at 12:20:18
Leicester met the £50 mill; Everton knew they had the upper hand and played hard ball. Swansea board were approached over availability of Llorente but Everton again unwilling to meet the demands. Not sure we are as flush as we are led to believe.
80 Posted 30/08/2017 at 12:27:04
Hold onto your hats... Thursday will be entertaining.
Friday we will reveal all, Ronald and Steve will be donning their Armani suits and shades , basking in the glow of the fantastic signings.... Or standing in their Y-fronts, knees knocking on a rainy training pitch.
81 Posted 30/08/2017 at 12:37:31
82 Posted 30/08/2017 at 12:52:37
83 Posted 30/08/2017 at 12:54:05
As things are looking a bit desperate, would a Remy plus cash deal with Chelsea not work for Barkley? Or some deal involving Batshuayi, like maybe a straight swap?
84 Posted 30/08/2017 at 12:56:11
One of the best strikers in Europe has just left us for big money, he made it clear he was leaving over 4 months ago yet we still haven't sorted a replacement with a day to go.
Being linked with Okaka on loan is a huge disappointment; signing him is a absolute joke.
85 Posted 30/08/2017 at 12:58:30
86 Posted 30/08/2017 at 13:03:52
87 Posted 30/08/2017 at 13:14:03
It was circulated repeatedly that Everton was in for Giroud, so I was suggesting that maybe they were given some indication from the player (or another player) or an agent that a move was a strong probability, but ultimately didn't materialise.
With the rest of the business done so early, it just doesn't add up for me why the club would've waited this long to fill a key position, unless an agreement has somehow gone south.
88 Posted 30/08/2017 at 13:26:40
Seems that Chelsea and us are in for the same players Llorente (who wants Chelsea)/Vardy so, as said above, making a play for an increasingly unsettled Batshuayi seems like a plan to me.
89 Posted 30/08/2017 at 13:27:53
There was a point in this window where we had stolen a march on the RS and people were saying we'd got the better team. Who has done the best business now though? I know it's early days but I'd love to have forward players like Lallana, Mane, Salah, Firminho, even Sturridge would improve us massively plus the chance to sell Coutinho for £130 million. The only positive is that they could have got Pickford and Keane and been serious contenders.
If we don't get in a decent forward by close of play tomorrow then I can't see us getting anything better than 7th place this season. Once again, I'll be dreading the derby games and expecting nothing against the Sky 6.
As the other thread from a few weeks' ago states, given the investment we have put into the players this season, have we really progressed if we can only manage a 7th place finish again?
90 Posted 30/08/2017 at 13:28:29
91 Posted 30/08/2017 at 13:40:07
We are now very unbalanced as Gylfi is not able to play wide left, no way. Rooney is not a target man, and Klaassen can only play in No 10 role. Don't understand. There's going to be a lot of expectation on DCL, poor lad.
My guess is Niang on loan with a view to buy, but could/should have been so much better.
Also what happened to a left sided defender? I saw Abdennour went to Marseille on loan, could have been an option surely?
The only hope is Moshiri has had all the deals agreed a long time ago and hes lined up his best mate Jim White to announce them dramatically on Sky as big last minute coups oh how the mind works/dreams during transfer deadline time.
92 Posted 30/08/2017 at 13:42:57
More likely, we'll be getting someone in on loan, and that, I'm afraid, is travelling down the Valencia road again - even though I wouldn't terribly mind if he were still around.
93 Posted 30/08/2017 at 13:44:49
94 Posted 30/08/2017 at 13:44:59
Not the finished article by any means though but with such a scarcity of talent around would be a sound investment. He is an in the box type player unlike Sandro who in fairness puts in a shift and I believe he would give us goals. Probably cost £15 million – and although nursing an injury now I think would get us 12-16 goals this term.
95 Posted 30/08/2017 at 13:45:11
96 Posted 30/08/2017 at 13:46:53
Agree with everyone about Lukaku except I think Koeman knew he was going even earlier given there wasn't a John Stones 'he's hot for sale' statement. Perhaps this time last year Koeman had a gentleman's agreement of the 'no Champions League you can go'
If that's the case it makes not getting a replacement for him even harder to fathom, especially given Walsh's reputation.
But agree with everyone; Okaka is a No-Kaka, and everyone else we've been linked with sounds like a fire sale.
97 Posted 30/08/2017 at 13:56:03
98 Posted 30/08/2017 at 14:17:02
At this late stage I would even take Bony or Slimani in preference to this Watford guy and then get a top class CF in due course.
99 Posted 30/08/2017 at 14:17:44
A lot of love going around Finch Farm guys. Now back to the real world after I have waved goodbye to Tattoo from Fantasy Island.
100 Posted 30/08/2017 at 14:34:08
101 Posted 30/08/2017 at 14:34:57
"Leicester met the £50 mill; Everton knew they had the upper hand and played hard ball. Swansea board were approached over availability of Llorente but Everton again unwilling to meet the demands. Not sure we are as flush as we are led to believe. "
Err the last sentence begs two questions
(a) how "flush" did you think we were? Is there a press release from the Everton Board telling us fans exactly how much would be spent this summer?
(b) How do you know what the demand for Llorente was? Perhaps it was a staggering sum for a 32-year old. Now I know this market has gone mad, but to prove how "flush" we are must we drop our trousers at the first time of asking?
102 Posted 30/08/2017 at 14:46:24
Probably only one coming in and a couple of outgoings. The question is which one ?
Personally I am disappointed the striker situation wasn't dealt with earlier when Sandro got injured but I suppose all efforts were spent on the Gylfi signing.
103 Posted 30/08/2017 at 14:50:49
104 Posted 30/08/2017 at 15:09:23
I'm really disappointed we never went in for Iheanacho - that's a player that would've added pace, power and goals to our attack... something we look very short on at the moment. Although, I'm hoping we see a drastic improvement from Sandro - I watched him a few times for Malaga last season and was very impressed by his workrate and general centre forward play - he can be a real handful. And he did have a very impressive goal-scoring record for a average team in a good league.
Dembele was never my first choice addition at the start of the Transfer Window because I'm always weary of players who are prolific in the SPL and then expected to carry their form over to the PL - we only have to look at our own experiences of Jelavic and Naismith.
Dembele is quicker and has more technical ability than those two though, and at this stage of the Transfer Window, he might be about our best gamble.
105 Posted 30/08/2017 at 15:11:23
Are we surprised we are linked with flotsum and jetsam?
106 Posted 30/08/2017 at 15:11:42
107 Posted 30/08/2017 at 15:12:32
I'm really getting pissed off with the dopes at Everton now, every one we have brought in is either over priced or not good enough.
Van Persie next I bet.
108 Posted 30/08/2017 at 15:14:21
and this is why they can publish such sh!t! cos people believe it or at least discuss it, thus giving it credence!
109 Posted 30/08/2017 at 15:30:25
Please tell me your on the wind up.
110 Posted 30/08/2017 at 15:37:02
111 Posted 30/08/2017 at 15:52:22
112 Posted 30/08/2017 at 16:04:38
113 Posted 30/08/2017 at 16:12:56
114 Posted 30/08/2017 at 16:20:59
Is he even available? I think the RS were after him but Leipzig weren't selling?
115 Posted 30/08/2017 at 16:22:53
With Arsenal on the slide nowadays we should be doing more than just spending the Lukaku money on a few untried foreigners and an overpriced keeper if we have any real ambitions.
116 Posted 30/08/2017 at 16:41:13
117 Posted 30/08/2017 at 16:44:43
118 Posted 30/08/2017 at 16:47:01
He plays off a striker, same as Sandro eventually will.
119 Posted 30/08/2017 at 16:54:25
120 Posted 30/08/2017 at 17:02:49
PS. If there IS a Tim Warner and a Halewood Vets, my apologies.
121 Posted 30/08/2017 at 17:08:54
122 Posted 30/08/2017 at 17:11:54
123 Posted 30/08/2017 at 17:18:42
This is the "new" Everton feeling everybody had in June, now feels very much like the old one in Aug, & that upbeat feeling for this season has gone.
I'm amazed that with all the strikers being linked we're not getting linked with Dembele of Celtic who would seem the best & possibly one of least difficult to achieve in getting done.
That would be more of a statement signing and would definitely show the club means business.
As others have stated I'm not convinced that we aren't close off our budget, which is perhaps restricting us to who we can go for.
We'll soon know tomorrow but looking at what options are available I'm really struggling to see us getting anybody in that doesn't fall into the - he'll do for now category.
We need a strong, powerful, striker with pace (Dembele).
If we only get a target man then we'll still be lacking pace and will need & winger as well.
124 Posted 30/08/2017 at 17:21:04
We are now in a desperate situation and the money spent on our midfield may be non productive if a top striker or two is not brought in by tomorrow night.
If that doesn't happen then maybe an Okaka/Deney combination should be brought in as a short term quick fix until January.
Disgusted by EFC. Still shambolic in the transfer market.
125 Posted 30/08/2017 at 17:29:46
126 Posted 30/08/2017 at 17:32:16
127 Posted 30/08/2017 at 17:33:28
Maybe you should direct that question at all the people who constantly went on about how overrated Lukaku was and that he was easily replaceable.
128 Posted 30/08/2017 at 17:33:33
129 Posted 30/08/2017 at 17:34:40
Am having an internal struggle between my illogical but ever present optimism and some kind of TW digital implant that is saying we are doomed.
Natural optimism still winning but TW implant has huge multimedia companies behind it. Is it this that is suggesting I blame North Korea and US black people for lack of a striker? I don't know as they've nicked my mind and I now have to apply for a thought.
Can I remain me? Is this appropriate for a footy forum?
130 Posted 30/08/2017 at 17:34:44
Don't actually know where this is coming from but you mentioned a shortening of odds somewhere so I latched onto it. Optimist that I am!
131 Posted 30/08/2017 at 17:44:22
132 Posted 30/08/2017 at 17:45:46
133 Posted 30/08/2017 at 17:49:40
134 Posted 30/08/2017 at 17:51:03
Post of the day for me
135 Posted 30/08/2017 at 17:53:53
136 Posted 30/08/2017 at 18:08:11
I highly doubt out striker coming tomorrow will be of that quality. But fingers crossed. Maybe there was a master plan all along!
It's gonna be Jermain Beckford isn't it...
137 Posted 30/08/2017 at 18:08:47
138 Posted 30/08/2017 at 18:15:56
If not I'm going to break every telly in the house tomorrow.
139 Posted 30/08/2017 at 18:26:03
140 Posted 30/08/2017 at 18:27:51
Okaka did tear our defence apart last season- 2 goals, one a classy flick in. Just saying...
141 Posted 30/08/2017 at 18:27:53
142 Posted 30/08/2017 at 18:29:35
143 Posted 30/08/2017 at 18:31:43
I just can not buy this nonsense anymore. This is an abject performance from our scouts, and based on last season, it is only getting worse.
144 Posted 30/08/2017 at 18:34:02
Anyone else got a hollow, sinking feeling in their stomachs about today and tomorrow? I can just see Vinnie O'Connor outside FF, around noon, saying "they all seem to have gone home for the day so that's Everton's transfer dealings done for this window".
I'll happily eat my hat if I'm wrong but I can see this happening.
145 Posted 30/08/2017 at 18:39:04
If we can get a Werner or Dembele or Dolberg through the door as well before the window shuts then great, but we definitely need to have a new No.9 at the club - in spite of the excellent early season from of Calvert-Lewin (who I think has comfortably been our best player thus far).
146 Posted 30/08/2017 at 18:40:20
147 Posted 30/08/2017 at 18:41:31
148 Posted 30/08/2017 at 18:57:59
We need to sign 3 blokes tomorrow.
What are the odds on that then?
149 Posted 30/08/2017 at 19:00:42
That will keep us going until 11 p.m. tomorrow, when all hell will break loose, and Colin McAleny will be brought back from Highbury (yes, Highbury, not the Emirates).
150 Posted 30/08/2017 at 19:02:04
151 Posted 30/08/2017 at 19:05:46
You know we will sign 1 on loan and the other 2 just couldn't get the fax sent on time.
I wonder who will be the first person to spot the Argentine footballer at John Lennon
152 Posted 30/08/2017 at 19:07:43
Him and Costa on loan to give Sandro and DCL time?
I'll get my tin hat ready for the abuse!
153 Posted 30/08/2017 at 19:16:05
154 Posted 30/08/2017 at 19:16:42
155 Posted 30/08/2017 at 19:17:03
I thought we had got rid of the "Everton" way but it seems Bill's influence still looms large.
156 Posted 30/08/2017 at 19:35:47
So I'm expecting Van Dijk, top left back plus a top striker tomorrow.
157 Posted 30/08/2017 at 19:38:57
158 Posted 30/08/2017 at 19:50:08
It's incredible that we have left it this late though. We knew 6 months ago that Lukaku was going. Our first signing should have been a replacement striker!!
I have a sickening feeling that we will only bring in Okaka, or maybe someone Koeman has worked with previously like Shane Long. In which case, all of the good work done at the start of the window will have been for nothing. Like someone else said, we'd have bought all the bullets but we'd have no gun...
159 Posted 30/08/2017 at 19:50:22
160 Posted 30/08/2017 at 19:54:16
What someone's stuck £20 on at 8/1 ?
I mean that's all it would take with the bookies of today.
Some of these stories are just piss flying in the wind.
161 Posted 30/08/2017 at 19:59:11
162 Posted 30/08/2017 at 20:16:24
163 Posted 30/08/2017 at 20:18:13
164 Posted 30/08/2017 at 21:03:28
165 Posted 30/08/2017 at 21:05:00
Look at Man Utd, Chelsea, and Liverpool all playing with pace up top and winning. We play like West Brom, slow and compact, with zero flare and looking to grind out 1-0 wins. Bring in Costa and still the problem won't change, zero pace, zero flare.
Our number one priority should have been a top striker signed before Lukaku fucked off; instead we signed Rooney and Sandro.
Then the right and left forwards, we should have opted for pace and flare. instead we sign Sigurdsson and Klaassengv.
I'm happy with Pickford and Keane. But we should have sold and replaced Williams plus signed a left back.
I wonder if Walsh and Moshiri don't rate Koeman after all? And see Everton's best chance is next year went Koeman fucks off to Barca...
166 Posted 30/08/2017 at 21:54:52
167 Posted 30/08/2017 at 22:06:02
168 Posted 30/08/2017 at 22:14:10
169 Posted 30/08/2017 at 22:24:37
Perusing all the shitty rumours, I would prefer Costa out of all the names, even for a 12 month loan. Still think it's highly unlikely though...
170 Posted 30/08/2017 at 22:27:05
BK, if anything happens to me during the next 24 hours I am blaming you!
171 Posted 30/08/2017 at 22:30:05
172 Posted 30/08/2017 at 22:31:13
173 Posted 30/08/2017 at 22:35:12
174 Posted 30/08/2017 at 22:37:25
Don't think it's the worst transfer window we've had.
Two certainties tomorrow:
Whoever we buy will be not good enough, young enough, old enough, not a patch on Barkley/Mirallas.
If we don't get a striker, we will be told that Koeman will resign 'like he's always done.'
Gonna be fun tomorrow.
175 Posted 30/08/2017 at 22:44:37
Simple and stark.
176 Posted 30/08/2017 at 22:48:38
We will have potential strikers sleeping top and tail.
177 Posted 30/08/2017 at 22:51:40
I'm just waiting till Friday when we've "inadvertently" balanced the books with the Barkley sale but Jim White explains we were hoping to tie up a deal for Messi.
178 Posted 30/08/2017 at 22:52:03
Would rather we went and got a long term option like Gibson or dare I say Sakho.
If we were to get Sakho (or another fast, tough CB) and Werner (or another fast, clinical CF) tomorrow I'd be pretty delighted! If we sell Barkley and loan Okaka then I'll be less pleased...
179 Posted 30/08/2017 at 22:53:12
180 Posted 30/08/2017 at 22:57:17
181 Posted 30/08/2017 at 23:05:38
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183 Posted 30/08/2017 at 23:08:17
Sakho was poor for RS but excellent last season for Palace. I think he'd do a good job and has many of the attributes we could use.
184 Posted 30/08/2017 at 23:21:58
185 Posted 30/08/2017 at 23:35:00
Mangala on loan also worth a shot, If he turns well sign, If not get rid.
186 Posted 30/08/2017 at 23:50:31
If we had gotten a top forward early doors I could've enjoyed tomorrow a lot, lot more.
187 Posted 31/08/2017 at 00:05:19
Not the top of the line players most of us hoped for but better than nothing. Now get a fucking striker in and we can breathe a bit more easily.
188 Posted 31/08/2017 at 00:15:11
I missed the offy before the 11pm deadline... I'm fooked till it reopens, hopefully before January
189 Posted 31/08/2017 at 00:40:42
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191 Posted 31/08/2017 at 01:03:19
192 Posted 31/08/2017 at 01:17:11
193 Posted 31/08/2017 at 01:59:46
As for Vlasic, looks to be a good player but are we not going to loan him out immediately? I hope not, there's a lot of games to be played and who knows who will be heading out the exit door tomorrow, so the more the merrier IMO. He's been referred to as the new Modric in Croatia, and saying that we don't have that style of player in the squad currently, he should be given a shot.
Let just hope there's one or two decent strikers/center forwards to join these two lads tomorrow. If not, I'd like Mr Walsh to explain to me what the fuck he actually does for a living, or was he actually on holiday in Italy? Besides the Siggi signing, we've done nothing since the start of the transfer window. I know some deals take time and all that jazz, but why the fuck is it always left to the last day? Fucking mystifying. COYB
194 Posted 31/08/2017 at 02:38:23
I know most of us are frustrated right now with no striker situation but really? We've done nothing?
I think I read if Vlasic signs we've signed 14 players across first team squad and u23s. You're a hard man to please if that's counts as nothing! Lordy me!
195 Posted 31/08/2017 at 03:08:08
196 Posted 31/08/2017 at 03:37:08
Please stop, do not try to count youth team signings. Also, his point is quite valid. Since the start of the window when we completed a few deals, including Pickford, we've done practically nothing other than Gilfy. We've been told to be patient, it's early, there is plenty of time, blah blah blah. Here we are in the last hours and we have no senior striker. This going into the Summer where we already needed more than one striker.
197 Posted 31/08/2017 at 03:48:55
That is a very blinkered view in my opinion. How can you ignore the u23 signings? They form very valid pieces of business. I'm glad you guys aren't in charge of the u23's recruitment policy!
And why should we ignore signings that we're brought in at the start of the window? Each and every one of those signings were needed. It's like saying let's ignore what we brought except the last few weeks because they don't count now its transfer deadline day?! That's silly.
Sure, I'm frustrated too about the striker and its been beyond silly waiting this long to get one but it's been a good window overall. People like Shaun and your goodself forget that by stating 'they don't really count' anymore arguments.
198 Posted 31/08/2017 at 04:01:50
Another striker would make things easier, no doubt, but surely at this point it will just be panic buying. A loan move for Costa will be smart business, while Vlasic is a promising winger we can use immediately. I do see a problem in our attacking strategy but the problem is not manpower. It's the tactics. I do have a sneaky feeling Koeman will prove me wrong over time though.
Even if we do not buy a striker now, I think we will do fine. Not pretty nor easy, but achievable.
199 Posted 31/08/2017 at 04:01:59
I nor he said those signings at the beginning didn't count. You tried to twist his words when he clearly said since the beginning of the window we only really signed Gilfy. The reasoning behind that is very clear, that many of us were pointing out that our early signings were done with the knowledge of the Lukaku sale money, and that was nowhere near enough for what was needed for the first team. But we were shouted down that the window had just opened.
So no, do not try to twist our words trying to say we are claiming the early signings do not count. That is not what we said and you know that. As for you throwing in youth signings, sorry, they are mostly irrelevant. Youth just does not translate to first team in any consequential numbers whatsoever. A few do, and the majority of those come up with some instant flash and then fade away. That's just the reality that is proven by decades and decades of supporting Everton and seeing the same thing around the league. It's first team signings that matter. Want proof? Look at the first team squad for the last decade and tell me how many came through the youth team. And while you're at it, do the same for the six clubs above us.
200 Posted 31/08/2017 at 04:39:25
We need a striker, no question. Leaving it this long is one of the biggest mistakes our current board have done. And assuming we get Vlasic and Vermaelen what else do we really need at this point bearing in mind the way Koeman sets us up? I'm struggling to think of any - outside of fantasy land that is.
We'll definitely disagree over the youth signings. To simply say they are mostly irrelevant is pretty ridiculous no?! Sure they may not make it, but they also might make it. It's a risk, but calculated based on Walsh's knowledge. When we brought DCL for the youth side did you think that was irrelevant? Now look at him. We only need 1 of them to do well and that's another place sorted to a degree.
So overall and going back to the original point, in my opinion 13 signings (with hopefully another 3 today) is a good effort. Even if most of them where at the beginning of the window.
201 Posted 31/08/2017 at 04:45:42
I hope the bookies have got it right.
Personally I would throw a silly bid in for Origi and Sakho seeing as they are desperate to get VVD and we don't seem to be in the running.
202 Posted 31/08/2017 at 04:48:36
Koeman wants a target man so he can play the way he wants. We only have one player in our squad that can do that. And he's a kid learning the game still with only a couple of goals to his name.
Both Rooney and Sandro could play up top but neither would work well in a lone striker role. From what we've seen to date Sandro needs to be the second striker if koeman goes two up top (which he rarely does) or playing wide making the runs like an old fashioned inside forward. Rooney needs to be playing behind the striker. No doubt in my mind.
Therefore, to go until January with just DCL would be madness with the amount of games we have.
203 Posted 31/08/2017 at 04:49:56
204 Posted 31/08/2017 at 05:00:52
What is the relevance of the timing of the signings..."since the window opened" Surely the more we did at the beginning of the window the better so how is it a criticism that since then we have "only" signed Siggi (even if that statement were correct - which it isn't). Surely it would have been even better if we had signed Siggi at the beginning of the window too?
If we had signed a Lukaku replacement at the beginning of the window would we still be complaining about signings we had done "since "then? I don't think so.
So your actual point is we have n't signed a Lukaku replacement. OK - everyone agrees that this is an issue. There was time, and now there isn't. We may not get anyone in. I don't think this is through lack of effort or planning it just means we haven't been able to persuade someone good enough to come in. However agreed it's a massive problem that could make our season much less than we had hoped.
As for youth players - we spending quite serious money on them in the belief in the long term this is how to get the stars of the future. This is how Chelsea got Lukaku in the first place. Given the quality in the U23s and this deliberate recruitment policy I think we will see more coming through than in previous years. Frankly we have already seen more come through than in the past for example - Davies & Barkley (home grown), Holgate, Stones, Lookman and Calvert Lewin (all bought in as teenagers).
Before that we had to look at Osman and Rooney as the only ones who really made the first team over the last 15 years after. But it's improving now.
205 Posted 31/08/2017 at 05:06:57
last ten years, how many youth team players have come through to establish themselves in the first team? Henen, Tarashaj, Byrne, Galloway, Browning, Vellios, McAleny, Duffy, Garbutt, Gueye, Francisco Junior, Leandro Rodriguez, Lundsteam, Orenuga, Jose Baxter, Forshaw, McLaughlin, Agard, Vaughan, Akpan, Peterlin, Kissock. Those are some of the bigger names. To list them all would fill the entire thread. It's hope and promise, but not much else. Many will go on with their careers, but not here, and usually not in the top division.
206 Posted 31/08/2017 at 05:21:19
207 Posted 31/08/2017 at 05:22:28
The significance was surrounding a debate as to whether we truly are in a new era or were those early purchases done with the safe knowledge of the price we were getting for Lukaku. That is the context.
As for the recent youth purchases, yes we're spending more money on other club's more promising youth players. But the fact remains they are not yet proven and still represent a gamble. Most are not really ready for first team action. Lookman came in and made an instant impact but since then has shown he is nowhere near ready. There is no guarantee he will be but we obviously hope he does. Chelsea stock up on youth from around Europe but mostly sell them on to lower clubs. It's well documented.
208 Posted 31/08/2017 at 05:32:41
David Ellis in para 4 sums it up well I think. The amount of stat gathering, scouting and everything else associated with youth players in particular is second to none these days, especially In Everton world during the last few years. They are doing everything they can to make sure those young players make it as such as evidenced by the list David Ellis also mentions with most of those names being very recent.
PS good memory with some of those players though!
209 Posted 31/08/2017 at 06:59:57
James Watts and David Ellis, I guess I should have been clearer and wrote " since we signed all those players at the start of the window". I , like both you lads, I'm assuming, was very impressed by our signings at that stage.
Then we sell our MVP striker, and get rid off his two back ups. DCL shows a lot of promise, as does Sandro, but we are talking about a couple of young lads, still learning their trade. Are any of the Sky 6 blooding in new guys like that? They are not.
Listen lads, I've nothing against the new regime, but when they start acting like the previous regimes, it scares the shit out of me. We've known since the start of the summer Lukaku was going ( if not sooner)and haven't replaced him with a proven striker.
Also, James, I'm not hard to please, I'm an Everton supporter FFS. I could have been a cock about the Vermaelen and Vlasic rumors, saying " why not VVD?" or " why not the real Modric?" I'm a realist, I understand you have to walk before you run and I understand that without CL football, it's gonna be hard to sign the big names. But the reality is, we've had plenty of time to bring in a striker, any fucking striker to help and teach our young lads, but we haven't and it's fucking ridiculous.
Costas been on the beach all summer, and we're making moves now? Give me a break.
I've been a blue for 35 years, and,if god spares me, for 35 more. Let's hope I'm eating my words tomorrow, otherwise it's new regime, same old Everton. CYOB
210 Posted 31/08/2017 at 07:04:40
Knowing we needed to replace Lukaku from well before the window opened, why was finding said replacement not given top priority? Sandro will probably be a wise investment once he adjusts to the Premier league but he is not a target man, or suited to playing a lone striker role. So, in the 'out' tray, we have Lukaku, Kone, Valencia, Niasse and in the 'in' tray we have Sandro and...erm... Well, that's all. If they had no ideas of who they really wanted, I would have preferred we'd signed Valencia as long term back up, but he would have also been an insurance against just the predicament we now find ourselves in. And let's be honest, we never got a chance to see him play even once in his best position as the main striker as he was always picked as a foil for Lukaku. It just seems strange that when playing as a central striker for his country he has no difficulty in finding the net, but both West Ham and Everton failed to use him in his natural position so he was never really able to make a good impression over here.
So here we are, the final day of another transfer window and as usual, we, the fans are left to wait and see what, if any gems have been identified and will we finally get the striker we've been waiting for all summer. If the window closes tonight with no front man being added to the squad (not including loans for journeyman PL strikers), then surely as fans, we will be entitled to ask the question I posed at the start of this post. Just WHAT does Steve Walsh actually DO?
211 Posted 31/08/2017 at 07:11:07
You won't get any argument from me on the striker issue. If that's not resolved today then it's the dumbest thing the management in it's current guise have done to date. Hopefully we're all pleasantly surprised. Sometimes I wish I wasnt born a blue, life would be so much simpler!
212 Posted 31/08/2017 at 07:12:18
213 Posted 31/08/2017 at 07:26:37
214 Posted 31/08/2017 at 07:59:11
Are you a American?
215 Posted 31/08/2017 at 08:01:21
216 Posted 31/08/2017 at 08:11:42
At least you probably don't say 'dove' (pron'd as in cove) instead of 'dived', and 'wove' instead of 'weaved'. Two of the most annoying bits of vernacular that crop up in novels by Americans.
217 Posted 31/08/2017 at 08:25:34
218 Posted 31/08/2017 at 08:40:52
219 Posted 31/08/2017 at 15:10:30
220 Posted 31/08/2017 at 15:16:11
221 Posted 31/08/2017 at 19:41:51
222 Posted 31/08/2017 at 21:54:07
Oh why is he still here? Didn't we get a new Chairman who has the final say on transfers at this club? This is sti;ll Kenwright, the cheap fucking twat.
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