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Moshiri plots audacious summer bid for Simeone

| Tuesday, 07 November 2017  130 Comments  [Jump to last]
Everton have made Diego Simeone their number one target to replace Ronald Koeman on a permanent basis and Farhad Moshiri is prepared to wait until the end of the season to land his man.

That's the claim of Sky Sports' Kaveh Solkehol, at least, which comes quickly on the heels of reports by his news outlet that the Blues' major shareholder held talks with Sam Allardyce over the weekend and that the former England boss is on a shortlist of four.

Sky now say that they have been told by "sources close to Allardyce" that talk of him being handed a £100,000-a-week contract at Goodison until the end of the season are "totally inaccurate".

David Unsworth is another alongside a "top European coach" and a current Premier League manager, assumed to be Burnley manager Sean Dyche or Watford's Marco Silva, who have done impressive jobs at Turf Moor on the one hand and Hull City and Vicarage Road on the other.

The European-based manager in question could be Simeone, with Sky suggesting Moshiri would hand him another massive transfer kitty to rival the biggest in the Premier League, but observers in Spain have ridiculed the idea that the Argentine would leave perennial Champions League contenders Atletico Madrid for Merseyside.

Regardless, it's another name for the betting markets, SkyBet included, to push during the downtime over another international break.

Another name regularly mentioned in connection with Everton is Thomas Tuchel, the German who made his name by transforming Mainz and winning the domestic cup with Borussia Dortmund but he is believed to be holding out for the Bayern Munich post vacated by Carlo Ancelotti.



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Rick Pattinson
1 Posted 07/11/2017 at 17:32:21
Like this is gonna happen, for fuck's sake.
Steve Ferns
2 Posted 07/11/2017 at 17:33:35
Well someone did say the Christmas Store opened today, they need some positivity to flog the merchandise. Do you think it's coincidence?
John G Davies
3 Posted 07/11/2017 at 17:35:10
Not a chance of this happening. Absolutely no chance.
PR spin.
Gordon White
4 Posted 07/11/2017 at 17:38:52
Who knows. The draw of the Premier League and a huge war chest. Hopefully big lessons were learned following the last transfer window. First priority has to be moving up the table.
Tony Marsh
5 Posted 07/11/2017 at 17:40:51
Ha Ha... and now, folks – some news on the stadium move.
Frank Wade
6 Posted 07/11/2017 at 17:42:25
Sky Sports report that Allardyce is in talks with Everton - odds slashed on Sky Bet to 1/5 and the foolish hordes rush in with their bets. Allardyce says he hasn't spoken to Everton. Need a new story.

Sky Sports report that Simeone is the choice - odds slashed to 12/1.

And so the circus goes on and on. The winners Sky Bet.

Colin Glassar
7 Posted 07/11/2017 at 17:42:45
It would take Usmanov type money to lure Simeone and provide him with an Arab/Russian sized war-chest. Watch this space!
Tony Twist
8 Posted 07/11/2017 at 17:51:01
What a joke, this type of thing is only harmful to us. Get the new manager in Everton before we are even more of a laughing stock.
Derek Knox
9 Posted 07/11/2017 at 18:08:33
Is this another soundbite, to soften the blow for fans, we intend to go for Simeone in the summer, but as an interim measure we are going to employ .?

Come next summer, well we did try!

It still means as well, that the Club intend to have another short term change, which will entail new backroom staff, a couple of panic buys as well as the ones we really need.

Then come next summer, the same scenario with whoever gets the job, smacks of knee jerk reaction to me if true, as opposed to joined up rationale.

Dan Brierley
10 Posted 07/11/2017 at 18:18:37
So people complain about a lack of ambition when linked with average managers, and then complain more when we are linked with top targets? Can't believe the negativity bouncing round this site. I grew up watching Everton in the nineties, what we are going through now is nothing compared to those dark days...
Paul Doyle
11 Posted 07/11/2017 at 18:19:03
And if we get don't Diego then we will go for Pep, meanwhile Allardyce is seen in “this chippy is open“ facing Goodison having curry half and half .
John McGimpsey
12 Posted 07/11/2017 at 18:23:47
There is no way early bird tickets are available now! (Awaits some more shite news on Bramley-Moore Dock...)
Phil Walling
13 Posted 07/11/2017 at 18:30:22
Dan, contrary to your view, this report reminded me precisely of the nineties when we were often reported to have put in outrageous bids for star players – usually at the very last minute.

Surely you can remember when 'we only just failed' to land Alan Shearer?

Liam Reilly
14 Posted 07/11/2017 at 18:33:14
Agree Dan, can't win.

Wasn't that long ago that City were being mocked for tryin to lure star players and managers to Manchester.

Lawrence Green
15 Posted 07/11/2017 at 18:46:24
Chris Bascombe in the Telegraph helps to clear things up... well actually he doesn't! He is as confused as the rest of us and covers all of his bases, no doubt when the decision is finally made, he can claim he was right or that the club were wrong.


Muddled Thinking

Guy Hastings
16 Posted 07/11/2017 at 18:49:04
I think you'll find it's 'Moshiri plots audacious summer bid for Someone'.
David Connor
17 Posted 07/11/2017 at 19:00:18
Whatever. Just move up the table, for Christ's sake. Most of us are pissed right off with what's going on at Goodison. We are a fucking laughing stock. Them bastards across the park must be rubbing their greasy little hands at what's happening at our once great club. Get on with it!
Paul Welsby
18 Posted 07/11/2017 at 19:04:09
Please stop embarrassing our club and especially us fans; we are a laughing stock and now this. When will this stop? Haven't you taken the piss out of us enough, shame on you all we don't deserve this and never have.
Mark Morrissey
19 Posted 07/11/2017 at 19:10:44
C'mon Moshiri, we'll all love you!!!

Get it done and written in blood!!!

Gordon Roberts
20 Posted 07/11/2017 at 19:11:33
If the reports on Sky Sports this afternoon are correct, Moshiri is apparently planning to meet with the Board before the end of the week to update members on the situation.
Stan Schofield
21 Posted 07/11/2017 at 19:13:47
We can probably get a fair few 'high-profile', 'elite' foreign managers if the salary offered is high enough (like £6M/year or more) and resources for new players are promised. Money talks.
Oliver Brunel
22 Posted 07/11/2017 at 19:15:27
Deary me. So the Emperor Palpatine sends another news leak to the stiffs at Sky and everyones hunky dory and then the Sith lord unveils Jabba The Hutt at the next news conference...
Colin Grierson
23 Posted 07/11/2017 at 19:30:18
Simeone spotted at John Lennon Airport!
Colin Grierson
24 Posted 07/11/2017 at 19:31:43
Fuckin predictive text!
That should be...
Someone spotted at John Lennon Airport!
Colin Grierson
25 Posted 07/11/2017 at 19:33:32
I'm having a fiver on Someone getting the job.
Derek Knox
26 Posted 07/11/2017 at 19:35:12
Colin, probably got Chicken Pox or German Measles! :-)
Steve Barr
27 Posted 07/11/2017 at 19:39:29
Seems to me a "great manager" these days equals one who has hundreds of millions to spend on the world's best players.

Doesn't seem to equate to actually being able to coach under difficult circumstances, such as a couple of injuries to key players, a drop in form etc!

The usual solution these prima donna's come up with seems to be a cry for more money/a bigger war chest so they can go out and buy their way out of trouble in the form of more world class players.

Unless you have a ton of money to offer any of the so called "class managers" then they won't come to a club like Everton and risk losing that status!

So it looks like were stuck with unearthing our own gem, someone under the radar, similar to the great work quietly being done at the youth/U23 development level.

Let's hope that we can build, make ourselves an attractive club, attract proper investment...and maybe we might be able to get one of these pretenders at the helm!

By that time, and with that kind of money, I could probably do the job!

Stephen Davies
28 Posted 07/11/2017 at 20:09:14
I would prefer someone who loves the club as much as I, at the moment there is only one that meets that criteria, David Unsworth. I would much sooner give him a chance to prove himself than give the job to big sam
Dennis Ng
29 Posted 07/11/2017 at 20:12:15
I like this news not because we will get Simeone but because it means he's setting a higher bar than many give him credit for. Hopefully we'll land Tuchel.
Mark Morrissey
30 Posted 07/11/2017 at 20:28:25
I know he looks like the lost lovechild of Eric Morecambe and Vic Reeves but this link with Simeone has to make you laugh.

One can only hope that there is something in this. Only a fool would release sort of story if it were not true. Surely even our lovechild is not that stupid??

Gordon Crawford
31 Posted 07/11/2017 at 20:28:40
Simeone as manager and Beckham as his number two.

Seriously, though... who makes this crap up???

Oliver Brunel
32 Posted 07/11/2017 at 20:35:08
Jabba The Hutt spotted at John Lennon Airport!!
Dave Williams
33 Posted 07/11/2017 at 20:48:18
I can't understand why so many people want a high profile manager when we have just sacked one for taking us to the point of ruin. These people haven't a clue how to manage in the premier league, they don't know anything about most of the players and have no understanding of the club or the supporters.

Koeman has shown that spending money won't on its own solve things. I would like a British manager who will work with our outstanding youngsters , not a foreign mercenary who is only really interested in the money.

Peter Laing
34 Posted 07/11/2017 at 20:48:29
Guys, unfortunately this is Everton -the circus, the sideshow and the gift that keeps on giving to our detractors. Muddled thinking, media gerrymandering or plain delusion on the part of Moshiri? Probably a combination of all three.

All things being equal though Moshiri is Damned either way - Allardyce / Dyche a sign of lacking ambition. Unsworth unproven, Tuchel and Ancelotti not in the running and Simeone – plainly ridiculous? Another garden path to be led down and the cynics having a field day as we once again do our impression of King Canute.

Tim Locke
35 Posted 07/11/2017 at 20:53:32
I presume he will be bring Griezmann with him so that’s two issues solved and he’s not even started
David Currie
36 Posted 07/11/2017 at 21:21:59
Dave 29, well said Eddie Howe would do well he is a good coach and will go on to bigger and better things. Unsy or Eddie above Sam, Silva and Dyche.
Kev Johnson
37 Posted 07/11/2017 at 21:31:38
Yeah okay, aim for Simeone... end up with Warnock.

I'm still waiting for Shearer to sign.

Brian Williams
38 Posted 07/11/2017 at 21:31:47
Well if there's ANY truth in Moshiri being prepared to wait for ANYBODY 'til the summer then our interim manager is either Unsworth or Allardyce because nobody else would be prepared to take the job just until the end of the season.
Dennis Stevens
39 Posted 07/11/2017 at 21:36:40
Good point, Brian #33 - Hopefully, they'll also consider if anybody worthwhile will be willing to takeover in the summer if Sam Allardyce has been at the Club for 6 months.
Andy Crooks
40 Posted 07/11/2017 at 21:41:27
"Plots", honest to God, what does this plotting involve? Like the plotting he did this past summer. Plotting to get us relegated. Plotting to make Jim White display him as an imbecile?
Len Hawkins
41 Posted 07/11/2017 at 21:52:54
So Someone has applied for the job but No-one has been interviewed; in reality, Anyone could get it.
Christian Watson
42 Posted 07/11/2017 at 21:54:06
Look on the bright side, Moyes is back in work and it's not at Goodison. Hopefully someone offers Allardyce free pies for a year and that'll be him out of the running too.
Tony Everan
43 Posted 07/11/2017 at 22:17:17
What a load of complete and utter nonsense.

A ruinous strategy.

Get a temporary manager in now, then maybe, possibly get Simeone in the summer. Guess what, he may say no.

The club seems to be stumbling along in the dark, like a skint 20-year-old coming back from town at 3am with no taxi money.

Kenny Smith
44 Posted 07/11/2017 at 22:22:30
As that tit Trump would say, “Fake news”. As if this gonna happen. I've been let down by Everton so many times that I'm not even giving this any credence.

Dan Davies
45 Posted 07/11/2017 at 22:24:53
This is more like it! Probably just positive PR spin shite, mind. Please Farhad make it happen. It would be a massive statement of intent.
Andy Williams
46 Posted 07/11/2017 at 22:40:10
Colin Grierson- funny!
Jim Wilson
47 Posted 07/11/2017 at 22:40:49
Well said Steve Barr. The whole thing is mental. There are far better managers not even mentioned. All we need is someone with common sense.

Play 4-4-2, a settled balanced unchanged team and a decent striker in January. Not someone who wants another clearout and his 'own' team, constant team changes and formation tinkering which is utter bollocks.

The great teams we have had in The Premier League have been unchanged 4-4-2.

Denis Richardson
48 Posted 07/11/2017 at 22:42:22
How about this for a scenario.

Usmanov has had enough of being second fiddle at arsenal and has decided to sell his 30% stake to Koenke for about £700m. He plans to come over to Everton and along with Moshiri, become the major shareholder.

To boost the club, they dangle a £7.5m/year contract in front of Simeone as well as a shiny new stadium in the 2-3 years' time. In addition he'll get a £250m war chest to buy a new team in the summer.

I'll now wake up tomorrow to read that Fat Sam has got the gig for 2.5 years!

Tony Twist
49 Posted 07/11/2017 at 22:50:36
Shambles. Umming and ahhing over the decision. How the hell did Moshiri get his money when he can't make a decision about who to manage the football club. Man up please and make the decision,

Christ, West Ham have sacked and got their replacement in place and taking training sessions to try and right the wrongs. It's time to determine the clubs direction and stabilise things with naming the new manager.

Ray Roche
50 Posted 07/11/2017 at 22:53:20
Yes, Tony, if only we'd had the verve, vigour, foresight and dynamism of West Ham we could have had a jobless Davey Moyes taking OUR training sessions.
Brent Stephens
51 Posted 07/11/2017 at 23:00:08
Tony, maybe he has made his decision. And is now sounding out? negotiating?
Gordon Roberts
52 Posted 07/11/2017 at 23:02:06
I'm guessing there's either disagreement between Board members re the choice of manager, or the preferred candidate doesn't like the terms and is negotiating.
Tony Twist
53 Posted 07/11/2017 at 23:09:07
Let's hope so Brent because to me the club seems to labour over these things then wonder why we aren't prepared.
Tom Bowers
54 Posted 07/11/2017 at 23:14:46
The trashy media speculation and also the trash from other sources will be rife as usual until the club actually confirms the permanent appointment. There isn't much to choose from just yet given West Ham's desperate appointment of Moyes. The only other woeful manager around is Southgate who has no idea what he's doing.

I still think Chris Coleman might be in with a shout as he hasn't inked a continuance with Wales yet.

Colin Glassar
55 Posted 07/11/2017 at 23:22:51
Has Riquelme got his badges?
Brian Williams
56 Posted 07/11/2017 at 23:33:48
Whoever Moshiri decides to go for I hope he doesn't reward them with a bumper contract for doing fuck all.

Offer them £3m a year plus an extra £1m a year for every place above 8th in the league we finish.

We finish 6th he gets £5 a year. Get us to 4th and he gets £7m a year and we get Champions League football!

We win, he wins, that'll give someone the right incentive.

You want the big bucks? Earn 'em.

Jack Woods
57 Posted 07/11/2017 at 23:47:30
Obviously if we could get Simeone then I'd want him without a doubt. If not, then personally I'd like to see us think outside the square rather than do what's expected i.e. Big Sam, Dyche etc.

I can not see any of those candidates taking us above where we've been in recent years. I'd love to see us go for the Australian national team manager Ange Postecoglou. He will possibly leave that job even if they qualify for the World Cup via the play-off against Honduras and I think he could be an amazing appointment. He has a track record of mixing a strong culture with outstanding results and I believe would have the vision to leave a more lasting impact than the others mentioned.

There's quote along the lines of if you try and win on talent then you'll never build an empire and I think that totally applies to Everton. If we do a lower budget of what everyone else does & do exactly what everyone expects then we'll end up exactly where we're expected to, in mid-table mediocrity. The fact that he's relatively unknown might be an issue for some but Koeman was the household name & how well did that go? Whether it's Postecoglou or someone else, I think the current options being mentioned show absolutely no imagination, ambition or drive to achieve better than what we've already got.

Don Alexander
58 Posted 07/11/2017 at 00:05:39
Brian (#52), noble sentiments (regardless of the obscene salary) but the vultures and their agents currently pondering being our next manager know that Koeman was on £6 mill per season.

Yesterday the owners of Blackpool football club were cited by the judge who found against them to have received £123 mill for their one season in the Premier League in 2010. In the seven years since then the monies for everyone in the Premier League have risen exponentially.

Thus, I assume nobody is going to sign for less than £6 mill p.a. minimum. Moshiri may be finding himself bent right over a barrel for the first time in his life and I guess he doesn't like it. But what to do?

Simeone is reportedly paid just over £5 mill p.a. by Atletico. He has to manage playing just Real and Barca in what are the only really challenging matches in a season in a warm, fabulously appointed city where everyone speaks his language. Unless he does a Martinez his team are locked onto constant Champions League qualification every season.

So what's going to make him, or anyone successful like him, swap all that to live in a cold, wet, depressed part of the world for a team who've serially failed for over thirty years to qualify for the Champions League actual, and proved to be unable to get anywhere close to major signings to challenge the six, not two, clubs who've had leadership enabling them to actually contend for the Champions League?

Before Moshiri appoints anybody he needs to get rid of Kenwright and his entourage.

And even that won't guarantee success, but staying with that serial, greedy loser and "his team" will merely ensure more of the same dross we've now had to endure for nigh on half of my 62-year life.

Chad Schofield
59 Posted 08/11/2017 at 00:33:14
Good shout on the "lower budget version of what every one else is doing".

Reading more about Silva, I think we'd look like Mark Hughes when he tried to lure Lescott away saying they'd go around Moyes... Crass. We may well get him, but it may well come back to bite us if things don't work out with him. He's only been at Watford for 10 odd games!

Dyche sounds unlikely now, fortunately... Because again are we really suggesting he'd take us beyond where we have been recently? It's a gamble, he's not proven at the level. Or are we just suggesting getting him into to fire fight and say good bye at the end of the season? That's a very expensive and risky tack, especially given he's only got a reputation because Burnley stuck with him after he was relegated with them.

Allardyce is like Kirkby. There's people saying we need him seem desperate... Let's not be desperate yet. We may well have to hold our nose com Christmas if we're struggling still, but we have to see where we are then if we're really going to press the nuclear button. Because we're going to struggle to get anyone half decent post Sam (I'm going to stop calling him Fat Sam given my outrage at Barton's comments about Unsworth).

Simeone would be great... But he'd be great in the Summer or possibly if we could prise him away in January - although it'd be difficult to land targets then, so it begs the question is it worth it and is it likely.

I don't know enough about the Australian coach, but I completely agree about thinking outside the box.

I also believe that Unsworth might surprise a lot of people. And if he doesn't, again, I think it's time to really łook at the overall structure of old boys and whether it's professional enough - but it's one of our unique selling points. Of course I'd love it to work out... But Allardyce will cause a cancer that will rip that all out - it's been bad enough with Koeman.

Bill Gienapp
60 Posted 08/11/2017 at 01:02:09
It's a massive longshot (to say the least) but people have been clamoring for months for us to make a run at Simeone or a manager of his ilk. Now the possibility is floated and people complain that the club is being unrealistic and making us look foolish?

Give Unsworth until the end of the season. If things don't improve by Christmas, reevaluate the situation then. Contrary to popular belief, I don't ever see us being in a hole we can't dig our way out of - there are just too many mediocre teams in the league. Come summer, give Simeone the godfather offer - if he says no, he says no. Then move on to the back-up target, whether that's Silva, or whoever.

Fran Mitchell
61 Posted 08/11/2017 at 03:20:29
Stranger things have happened.

Maybe he'd like a challenge away from the ridiculous Barça/Real domination. Maybe he'd like a Koeman style wage package.

But why not try.

David Morris
62 Posted 08/11/2017 at 05:16:27
The things wrong with Everton:

- Not giving Rhino and Big Dunc a chance. If they can’t motivate some enthusiasm in the team, no foreigner manager will be able to.

- Steve Walsh needs to go. Three number 10s and no striker. As head of recruitment, he should be sacked. It’s his fault Everton don't have a first-team striker.

- Stop signing ex-players from Man Utd. Everton shouldn't be a retirement home for ex-Manc players.

- Farhad should have only sacked Koeman if he had a replacement lined up. This limbo Uzmanov (Arsenal) has us in is unacceptable.

Poor management overall.

Brian Foley
63 Posted 08/11/2017 at 05:55:29
Fran at (60) good post. I agree with your worth a try comnent and the 'ridiculous' statement regarding the Barca/Real situation. I get bored shitlesse everytime there's a 'lovee lovee' report on them both on Sky Sports News. Maybe Simeone does too and maybe he's taken Atletico as far as he can. Topping the terrible twins is permanently temporary.
Paul Doyle
64 Posted 08/11/2017 at 07:25:01
Two weeks ago, Mark Lawerence was in Ireland saying something big at Everton is stirring. Just after Koeman got the bullet, I thought his mate the grim reaper Moyes was on his way back, and shuddered...

But now? Moshiri updating the board on Friday over the manager position? The Simone speculation? He has the bucks to pull him in, but please god no! Not laughing spam fritter.

Oliver Brunel
65 Posted 08/11/2017 at 07:27:54
Denis (#47) don't be too surprised that the proposition you mention, that Usmanov is moving his chips to EFC, will come to bear. At the moment there is a war in the Empire with the Emperor Palpatine trying to keep the Sith Empire as his.

Usmanov and Moshiri are planning an attack on the Death Star. Let's just hope and pray that the Sith Lord doesn't get his way and the poor Stooge Unsworth has to make way for Jabba The Hutt.

Colin Glassar
66 Posted 08/11/2017 at 08:38:02
Talk of new stadium, outlandish managerial appointments (Simeone), extravagant players (Danny Welbeck), common denominator? Every time we are in serious trouble the same old distracting bullshit is wheeled out by that master of spin, Kenwright.

It's a shame that so-called investor Moshiri is willing to act like a ventriloquist's dummy while Kenwright pulls the strings.

Tony Twist
67 Posted 08/11/2017 at 08:47:27
The only things that will come from trying to attract Simeone is us looking stupid and him getting an improved contract at Athletico.
John Graham
68 Posted 08/11/2017 at 08:57:13
do we really believe this is true. we would all probably like it to be but even though it is Christmas I don't think this present is in any of our sacks.

If Moshiri does have the intention of bringing in a top manager, the easiest thing is to make a big list, then go down the list one by one to see who is interested, and then either give the top one the job or interview the top three.

I think it is demoralising to hear top names being mentioned and then for us to end up with the likes of Allardyce, Dyche etc. Surely it shouldn't take too long to find out if any of the top top managers are interested and then, if they are not, let it be known, and then we won't get all of our hopes up. Fingers, toes, eyes and everything crossed for Simeone though.

Mike Berry
69 Posted 08/11/2017 at 09:04:00
Thinking big like this is the only way we will break through.
People still perceive us a a club just under the "big 6" but where were City and Chelsea, back in 80's until big investment.
We need to progress and if this was to happen along with the new ground, then in 5 years time or so, we would be viewed in a totally diferent light.
Onwards and upwards !
Pete Clarke
70 Posted 08/11/2017 at 09:09:09
Allerdice and Simione seen having a scrap outside the big house !
like somebody said earlier, no outsider really gives a toss what happens as long as they get the big bucks.
Victor Yu
71 Posted 08/11/2017 at 09:20:20
I would love Simeone but it is highly unlikely unless we give him a ridiculous contract.

I still believe Mancini is the best realistic target.

James Marshall
72 Posted 08/11/2017 at 09:42:10
To all the people saying this makes us look stupid - people said the same thing about City when they started making noises, now look at them.

If you don't start thinking big, then you'll always be a small club - we are a small club, with a big, if now somewhat ancient history to fall back on.

I'm sick of history, and want the future and present to be equally as admirable, and the way to start that is thinking big. Moshiri seems to realise this, and while the reality of getting Diego Simeone at this point in time may be somewhat fanciful, the thinking behind is it entirely correct.

Everton supporters revel in our history, we revel in being the Peoples Club, and we revel in being the underdog, and we seemingly would prefer to be viewed as a cosy little club that people admire for all the right reasons, without ever challenging for anything - I've been following Everton for 35 years and I remember us being the best team, winning titles and being proud to watch us play. I remember, but I don't want to remember, I want to look forward with interest at a modern football club, not a stuffy old relic. Moshiri clearly feels the same.

Supporters need to get behind this way of thinking as well, and help drag Everton out of the past which we revel in. I really wish people would embrace the modern game - you can't fight it. Look at City, they were similar to us living in the shadow of Utd, never winning anything, a good family club that people looked on with a sense of fondness almost - a soft touch just like Everton. Well now they have arguably the best coach in the world, and the best team in Europe at the moment. I'd be pretty happy with that, and I'll wager you can't find many City fans that would rather be back at Maine Road watching Shaun Goater and Paul Dickov on a wet Wednesday night in the League Cup.

I massively doubt we're going to get Simeone, and would even go so far as to argue he might not even be the right man for the job based on this Link which highlights a number of issues that strike me as similar to those we're facing at Everton - issues Simeone seems unable to fix due to having his hands tied by the their transfer ban and subsequent lack of options till January - sound familiar?

Nicholas Ryan
73 Posted 08/11/2017 at 09:42:19
I thought Riquelme was the number 1 target; apparently, he's sitting at the airport, clutching the Arteta money!!
Tony Everan
74 Posted 08/11/2017 at 10:14:01
What’s the point in mentioning Simeone at all?

If he doesn’t want to come it’s a complete waste of time.

Maybe Mr M has had some encouragement from the Simeone camp.

Ciaran O'Brien
75 Posted 08/11/2017 at 10:16:12
Why not Simeone? I’ve wanted him as our manager for years now. In my view he is the best coach in the world. Yes, he’s at a big club in Atletico Madrid but actually before he took over there, they were on par with us and our history. They were very much a yo-yo team getting inconsistent finishes in La Liga and constantly having their best players getting linked away and snatched off them.

Real and Barcelona dominate everything in Spain and control the Spanish FA. They get away with murder with their dodgy own tv deals and get the rub of the green from the refs too. He might have signed a new contract on September until 2020 but contracts mean nothing nowadays.

Atletico are having a poor season. Griezmann is playing shite while their defense is old, they have been shocking in Europe too and might not make 3rd in their Champions League group, let alone qualify to the knockout stages.
He might want a new challenge or could get the chop which happens on a frequent basis on the continent.

Koeman was on 6m per year while Moyes was one of the highest paid managers in the world when he was year. We could easily afford his wages and offer him the prospect of a new waterfront stadium plus a large starting budget, plus there’s our core of talented young players like Davies, Banigime, Dowell, Kenny etc.

Sandro is here too who Simeone wanted to sign but couldn’t because of their transfer ban.

He might like the idea of silencing the red mob at Mordor and the other media darlings.
We could sound him out to take over in May with Unsworth to take the job till then or Gus Hiddink.
I know he may not be realistic but there’s no harm in trying. We will never get anywhere with our negative views of our club and only be able to attract mediocre managers from the championship or bottom table premier league teams.

Look at Spurs, when Jol got the chop they went for Ramos who had just won two UEFA Cups with Sevilla, I know he didn’t work out but he did win them the Carling Cup beating Chavski in the final. We were a better side than them back then but they were able to entice one of the top managers at the time.
City got Mancini, Pellegrini went to China, Rafa left Valencia who were one of the top teams in Europe at the time to move to a shite Red SHITE team.

We need to aim high otherwise we’d be stuck doing nothing and being also rans.

Out of the managerial targets, Simeone is the outstanding choice. If we don’t go for him and want to go British, Dyche is the only candidate because of his ability against the top teams and what he has done at Burnley.

Big Sam is an absolute no go because he will want a large contract, large back room team plus horrible shithouse football.
If Moshiri seriously wants “El Cholo” he’s gotta go and get him and show the league and Europe that we mean business.

I am sick of us being everyone’s favorite second team and being too nice.
We need to start believing we can beat the best and become the best eventually.

Gareth Clark
76 Posted 08/11/2017 at 10:32:48
Funnily enough - I can see this happening.

We are very silimar to Atletico in terms of our fan base & ethos.

We may be the best option for him. I can’t see him going to an Arsenal & everywhere else there aren’t really any openings.

He is passionate & he will get us up the table!

Give Unsie until the end of the season (unless we really keep struggling - then as much as I don’t want him, we may have to get Big Sam in or Hiddink preferably & let Unsie be assistant)

Whoever is our manager next year (Marco Silva is the most likely option, but as I said I wouldn’t rule out Simeone) - I’d like to see Unsie as assistant & then he could learn a lot & gain experience & then finally take over in 3 or 4 or 5 years time.

Neil Wood
77 Posted 08/11/2017 at 10:45:40
Tony @ 70 no smoke without fire and all that!

Everyone dismissing the idea needs to understand that people like Farhad Moshiri do not become billionaires by settling for second best. They are astute businessmen and ladies who will not allow things to tick on.

He will want to make an impact and by obtaining the services of Simeone that would be a huge statement.

How much did Klaasen cost 28 million.

Let's give Simeone 8 million a year. He would be cheaper than a "middle of the road" player (Sorry Davy hope you prove me wrong)
The benefits however will massively outweigh this initial overspend as some will see it. I have said it before on here but one of the biggest advantages is pulling power.
Chelsea, Arsenal et al have the lure of big city.
Manchester United and city have top managers who players want to play for.

Do you see that if we looked at bringing in a European elite player he would be more tempted to work with Simeone or Dyche?

Now not for a second am I stating Dyche is inferior in his coaching or management of a club as I am very sure he is more than capable. But the simple matter is in the name. The pull of a top class appointment which can make the difference in bringing in top class players to your club.

Kevin Tully
78 Posted 08/11/2017 at 10:55:41
I get the distinct feeling this is just rich man's talk around the dinner table, with Moshiri being the lead dreamer. I am always open to getting back on board the 'Nothing will be same' bus though.

Pull a move like this off, and I'm firmly buying back into the dream. I wasn't even going next season, a couple of days ago. I am however, tensing up to be 'hoofed in the plums.' .again. (TM: E.J. Ruane)

Sam Hoare
79 Posted 08/11/2017 at 11:14:57
Just to play devils advocate but Simeone had a pretty mixed time of things managing in Argentina! Obviously what he has done at Atheltico has been incredible but his CV is not without blemishes.

His appointment would signal ambition of the highest level but no manager (bar Mourinho perhaps?) brings the guarantee of success.

It seems unlikely to me as if he were available and wanted to come to the PL then I suspect Arsenal might sever ties with Wenger to make way but...you never know unless you try. If people want to laugh at us for being ambitious then let them.

At the moment i'm happy to give Unsworth some more time and see how the cards lie in January. I think there are reasons to be happy with either Simeone, Silva or even Dyche coming in then or even at the end of the season if Unsworth has the players really performing well.

Steve Ferns
80 Posted 08/11/2017 at 11:40:53
#74 Kevin, where is Ruane? Not seen anything from him in ages. Is even he struggling to find humour in these dark times?

As for Simeone, he's one of the world's great coaches right now. Absolute world class. Not perfect, but world class. If he came and replicated his Atleti style, form and results, there would be some here who would not appreciate it. Watch La Liga when Atleti play the big two and then watch them when they play someone they should beat. It's still the same aggressive direct football. Personally, whilst I think Barcelona is better, the style Simeone plays is a better fit for Everton. We prefer the aggression, the direct play (not the same as long ball or hoof ball), tackles, and maximum effort. In short, we'd love him.

As for can we get him, I certainly raised an eyebrow at the news. MY immediate reaction was, didn't someone just say the Christmas shop is now open! We won't flog much with the news that Big Sam is coming in, but we can if people believe there's a chance of Simeone.

That said, why leak Simeone being on the list and then settling for Big Sam. If you want to make Big Sam more acceptable, to people like me, then you have to quash expectation, you have to make it a straight choice between Allardyce, Dyche and Unsworth. Then you will actually have some asking for Big Sam, as they were. To suddenly throw the name of Simeone in makes no sense to me, not unless Moshiri believes there is a chance. You don't put pie in the sky ideas on your shortlist. I certainly hope they wouldn't anyway, because then it's just a shortlist of 3 and one of them is Unsworth so it becomes a straight choice between Allardyce and Silva.

Damien McKay
81 Posted 08/11/2017 at 12:05:23
Either think big or stay small time! Why not go after the best if its even remotely possible?? money talks and bullshit walks.

Man City and Chelsea have had investment and then appointed the top coaches in world football who was laughing at them for thinking big?? Can Everton not manage the same with similar investment?

Why are we so negative? we're in a bad position right now yes but if we can get a few results between now and Jan then things could start looking a lot more positive. The new manager can then start to rebuild and shape the squad for a decent finish.

We wont win FA if we don't start throwing money and ambition at this "project". Someone like Simeone would demand respect from the players. Who would you rather play for, Simeone or fucking Sam Allardyce?

Brian Williams
82 Posted 08/11/2017 at 12:13:16
My shortlist to spend Christmas eve with this year.
Cameron Diaz
Jennifer Aniston.
My Missus.
Rita from Coronation Street.

See, anyone can make a shortlist. Means fuck all!

Steve Ferns
83 Posted 08/11/2017 at 12:22:59
So Rita is Allardyce, Cameron Diaz is Simeone, Jennifer Anniston is Marco Silva, so are you saying your missus is David Unsworth?
Tom Bowers
84 Posted 08/11/2017 at 12:39:26
Brian, so right. Current shortlists are all fairy tales.
When the club actually announces the news then we can believe it but forget the media trash.
Damien McKay
85 Posted 08/11/2017 at 12:39:51
Brilliant Steve Ferns @ 79 nearly choked on my dinner.
David Graves
86 Posted 08/11/2017 at 12:43:30
For those suggesting there could be a chance of Simeone because he is on an alleged "short list" see Brian's post above!
Steve Ferns
87 Posted 08/11/2017 at 13:02:53
Cheers Damien.
James Hopper
88 Posted 08/11/2017 at 13:07:10
Steve Ferns 76 - You leak Simeone's name so that, when you appoint Allardyce, you can then leak the suggestion that it's just a temporary appointment until the end of the season, thus making it (marginally) more palatable.

When the end of the season comes and Simeone doesn't, you then extend Allardyce's contract with the excuse that "well we tried to get Simeone but Fat Sam has guided us to a solid 14th place finish so we'll give him another year."

Steve Ferns
89 Posted 08/11/2017 at 13:15:17
You have a good point there James.

Do you think it is down to two straight choices?

1. Short-term - Allardyce or Unsworth - with a review in the summer whilst we try to secure a big name manager.
2. Long-term - less aspirational name appointed now, on a long-term deal - i.e. Dyche or Silva

Tony Marsh
90 Posted 08/11/2017 at 13:18:41
Just logged in to SteveFernsWeb and you are all still talking about Simeone taking over... WHY?? It's never going to happen – just like Ancelotti won't happen. With each passing day, Everton become more of a laughing stock in this City for falling into the trap.

Stop being so gullible please FFS. It is cringeworthy now... It's obvious we can't attract a big name, the state we are in.

Brian Harrison
91 Posted 08/11/2017 at 13:20:46
Funny isn't it if it had been reported that Liverpool were after Simeone when they sacked Rodgers nobody would have thought it unlikely and lets not forget they haven't won the title for over 25 years. Yes I know they have a higher profile than us but money talks. He has been my choice before we appointed Martinez, so why not test the water.

I take on board what James Hopper has said that it is a smokescreen to say we at least tried to get Simeone. But we were paying Koeman £6 million a year and he was the 7th highest manager in World football. The only downside to start with appointing Simeone is I don't think he speaks any English but that didnt seem to hamper Pochettino when he first came over.
I have no idea if we would get him, but I take a bit of comfort in as the days go bye it looks like Allardyce wont be offered the job. Otherwise he would have been here now especially in the middle of an International break.

Kevin Tully
92 Posted 08/11/2017 at 13:24:33
Unsworth now back into favourite @5/4, with Allardyce drifting out from 1/7 yesterday to 6/4 just now.

Basically, nobody knows.

Steve Brown
93 Posted 08/11/2017 at 13:29:46
Let's remember what Moshiri said when he hired Koeman:
"For our club to compete in the north west of England, which is the new Hollywood of football with Guardiola, Mourinho and Klopp, we needed a star to stand on the touchline so we got Koeman. We needed to have a strong balance sheet so I have paid the debts so we have a very strong balance sheet, we are very flexible financially. And we need a big stadium, there is no question about it. These are the three priorities we had."

I don't buy into this BS that Moshiri is some BK puppet. He calls the shots which is why Martinez and Koeman were sacked. It might not - it probably wont - be the case that Simeone comes here. But to ignore the fact that we are now a wealthy club who can invest heavily in a top name manager is nonsense.

So keep Unsy in the job until the end of the season and take it from there. If he shows he's the man for the job, then great or we bring in the right calibre to take us forward.

Steve Ferns
94 Posted 08/11/2017 at 13:32:17
Agree with every word Steve.
Damien McKay
95 Posted 08/11/2017 at 13:47:33
Spot on Steve @ 89. At least we are trying to show some ambition. The mentality needs to change before we can become who we want to be. Might even get a long over due win at Anfield . well we can dream.
Dennis Stevens
96 Posted 08/11/2017 at 13:48:37
Absotively! Steve #89
Oliver Brunel
97 Posted 08/11/2017 at 13:49:55
Does anyone in their right mind think Simeone is going to jump ship from the Millenium Falcon to the Death Star? Unless of course he realised how dumb the board is and knew he could fleece them, like Koeman.

But it would need to be ridiculous money and he would also demand a massive war chest to bring his own players (understandably as none of the current team, except perhaps Barkley, would get anywhere near a Simeone team).

There is more chance of Jabba The Hutt being the next Everton manager .... Hang on... what's that guy who takes bungs called... err... errr... Jabbadyce!

Jake FitzGerald
98 Posted 08/11/2017 at 14:07:16
Diego Simeone is probably the only manager out there absolutely guaranteed to turn us into a Top 4 club.

Never in a million years is it going to happen.

Kevin Prytherch
99 Posted 08/11/2017 at 14:13:28
Kevin 88 - I was just about to post the same thing.
You could have got all the favourites for massive odds by now (with the exception of Dyche)
Unsworth was 25/1 after the Lyon game
Big Sam was around 20/1 at first
Tuchel has been as big as 25/1 as has Silva
Simeone has been around 33/1
Dyche has never been higher than around 8/1.
Could have made a guaranteed fortune on this
Neil Wood
100 Posted 08/11/2017 at 14:18:17
Possibly Kevin until Pardew is named ! ;-)
Kevin Prytherch
101 Posted 08/11/2017 at 14:43:03
Pardew - 40/1 !!!!!!!!!!!!

You can get Tony Bellew at 500/1

Alan J Thompson
102 Posted 08/11/2017 at 15:07:58
The only candidate likely to be seen at JLA is David Unsworth. Anybody coming from Europe will only be seen in Monaco at the end of January.
Nicholas Ryan
103 Posted 08/11/2017 at 18:01:22
Kevin [97] . Tony Bellew at 500/1. Imagine Bellew and Duncan Ferguson taking training together; don't think there'd be much slacking there!!
Mark Morrissey
104 Posted 08/11/2017 at 19:43:43
I reckon he's sounded him out and he's coming. Moshiri is all about the glitz and glamour and I reckon it's on. Not now, at The end of the season and I reckon he'll take FAT SAM until then.
Joe McMahon
105 Posted 08/11/2017 at 19:59:31
Will he really leave the new Wanda Metropolitano Stadium for Goodison Park? Even though the Bullens may be a big pull I'm not 100% sure he will be our next manager. The old stadium is holding us back.
Will Mabon
106 Posted 08/11/2017 at 20:10:39
Oliver - "Jabbadyce", I like it.
Stan Schofield
107 Posted 08/11/2017 at 23:00:34
Oliver@96: For the right money, yes. See Steve@92, plus other official statements from the board, particularly Ryazantzev. We've already made the first attempt in a sequential process, by hiring and firing Koeman. The so-called 'project' to get us and keep us in the top-6 is unlikely to be a quick and one-manager process. Koeman was the first £6M/year man. Onto the next one, who will no doubt be paid more than £6M/year. It's all about money.
James Marshall
108 Posted 08/11/2017 at 00:06:18
Odds shortening on Hiddink, now in to 9/1. I'd be more than happy with him over any of the other so called favourites.

All this talk of Allardyce and Dyche is really pissing me off - both totally unsuitable if only for different reasons which we've all talked about enough already.

Hiddink has gone under the radar so far, but in my view would be a safe bet on a number of levels. Vastly experienced, he'd shore us up and play decent football - very well respected he ticks a lot of boxes, even if only for the rest of the season.

Paul Smith
109 Posted 09/11/2017 at 00:14:19
AllerDyche ? no thanks!. Rather the latter then the former but surely the board can come up with something more inspiring.
Jason Wilkinson
110 Posted 09/11/2017 at 00:39:03
Remember the days when there would be a queue around Stanley Park just for an interview for the Everton job?

Now it seems. (According to the media) we are going around with a begging bowl to get a manager. Surely the job hasn't become so impossible we need to convince mediocrity to sign up to manage the club? Sam f***ing Allardyce! NO.

Don Alexander
111 Posted 09/11/2017 at 00:59:33
I haven't bothered to check, but some have said that Koeman was among the best paid managers in world football. If so, every other candidate will now rationally expect the same or, probably, more.

Moshiri needs to reflect on who it was that persuaded him to sign Koeman, and if it was Moshiri himself he urgently needs to reflect on who to seek advice from re our next manager because Koeman was demonstrably a disastrous appointment as far as the board are concerned.

That said, if he's looking for help from Kenwright's boardroom, Gawd help him, or us.

John Pierce
112 Posted 09/11/2017 at 01:20:44
Pushed Hiddink from the start. Perfect pair of safe hands but that doesn’t lower our reputation.

Not a firefighter, just experienced steady hand.

Would be very happy with that.

Tony Everan
113 Posted 09/11/2017 at 09:41:13
Fast forward to next Easter .

Reports from Everton today say that Diego Simeone was actually “in the building” in November.

The deal fell through at the last second when Diego got a phone call from Stan Kroenke. Arsenal’s manager elect refused to comment.

Alex Doyle
114 Posted 09/11/2017 at 09:58:24
I've had a bet on Unsworth becoming the next manager and am pretty convinced it's done. At this point, I think it makes sense, at least until the end of the season.

Here's how I see it:

Moshiri will have listened to the fans and heard their concerns about Allardyce, who is probably looking for a longer term gig. Silva, is only just in the job, so won't be allowed to leave. Dyche, a good manager has done well with limited resources, but is essentially unproven. Tuchel (my long term choice) doesn't appear to be available, at least mid season. Simeone appears to have been leaked to the media, when Allardyce was heavy favourite. A good reminder that our owner is at least thinking ambitiously and long term.

Unsworth has had a reaction out of the squad. Baines, who is often a good bell weather in these situations, has spoken up for him. He won the PL 2 title last year. He developed the core of the side that won the U20 world cup. He has been relentlessly positive, which is crucial in building up the confidence of the players.

So, what now? The reality of the season is that we have an unbalanced squad and hugely talented youngsters, who need game time. Giving those players the confidence to develop, will mean Everton will have some tremendous talent ready for next season. That has to be an attractive proposition to many a top level coach.

Terry Underwood
115 Posted 09/11/2017 at 11:08:10
Simeone??? In yer fuckin' dreams. Would you trade a Rolls Royce for a broken-down Nissan Micra?
Neil Wood
116 Posted 09/11/2017 at 13:59:00
Just seen Simeone at Bramley-Moore Dock with a hard hat and a spade!
James Marshall
117 Posted 09/11/2017 at 14:51:24
Just seen this Link on the Echo (yeah, I know, RS shite) which really 'echoes' how I feel about the club, support and the managerial appointment.
Steve Solomon
118 Posted 09/11/2017 at 14:52:17
I think that Koeman has proved that a big budget and a big salary do not equal a great manager or good team.

Let's be pragmatic here. Who would be the best fit for our club?

Someone that appreciates the history while understanding the present.
Someone that knows English football and has experience.
Someone that appreciates the passionate fans.
Someone that is not scared to bring through and nurture the large pool of youth talent we are blessed with.
Obviously someone that we can afford.

Who fits that bill?

Benitez?
Rodgers?
Pulis?

I would take any of those 3 (past RS history accepted).

James Marshall
119 Posted 09/11/2017 at 15:05:23
Well if there could be two posts defining the different views of supporters on this issue, it's mine @116 and Steve's @117!
Colin Metcalfe
120 Posted 09/11/2017 at 15:26:57
Fellas, I know things can be frustrating following our beloved club but some of the remarks on here are are way over the top! Stop putting our club down so much.

When I read things like "Simone!! Would you swap a Rolls Royce for a Nissan Micra?" I just despair, I really do! I don't believe we are such a basket case that everyone makes out.

Kevin Turner
121 Posted 09/11/2017 at 15:35:02
Steve( #117) – are you insane? Pulis? FFS, he's in the Fat Sam category. Football that's prosaic at best, dull, dull, dull. West From fans have been up in arms about him for ages. They hate the boring bastard.
James Marshall
122 Posted 09/11/2017 at 15:41:37
Steve @117 for me highlights the problem we have in it's entirety.

The notion that we must have a manager that somehow 'gets' Everton just seems so parochial to me, and one of the reasons Everton are still such a small club in the modern era.

Who cares if the manager 'gets' Everton? He isn't one of us, he's just the manager - it's our job to be passionate about Everton, not theirs. As the Echo link I posted above states, just watch Spurs or City with their Argentinian and Spanish managers play with outright passion and fight for the cause - it has quite literally nothing to do with being an Evertonian, or needing to know the Premier League - that's just a media term that supporters have bought into. It's bullshit.

All this stuff about the new manager understanding our history doesn't mean a damn thing anymore - we need to make history, not dwell on it.

Brian Williams
123 Posted 09/11/2017 at 15:49:51
Take a look at the league table Colin.
Jay Harris
124 Posted 09/11/2017 at 16:04:34
Totally agree James.

Most managers know how to organize a team and make them hard to beat.

Winners are a different breed who know how to bring the best out of players and manage their egos.

Unsy might get us safe but I don't want to take that chance. I certainly don't want dinosaurs like big Sam and Pulis.

I want to get a top class manager asap.

Neil Copeland
125 Posted 09/11/2017 at 22:14:19
Riquelme spotted at John Lennon airport with Moutinho carrying his bags.
Andrew Bradshaw
126 Posted 10/11/2017 at 12:51:16
One thing to remember with Simeone is he took over Atleti after a 7th and 9th place finish and cup exit to a 3rd division team. In Spain this is the equivalent to where we are now.

This season, they will be out of the Champions League and no chance of La Liga title. Also, Atleti like us have always had to sell to buy!!!

Here in Spain many people believe that he will leave either in January or more likely end of season. So we shall see!!!

Terry Underwood
127 Posted 10/11/2017 at 13:31:35
Colin #120, you misquoted me. It should have been "BROKEN DOWN Nissan Micra" But I do get your point. We do tend to put our club down but they are more Micra than Rolls at the moment, you gotta give me that.
Eddie Dunn
128 Posted 11/11/2017 at 17:08:35
James Marshall, spot on mate! All this "gets Everton" shite is from the same place as soppy old ken and his luvvie Billy Elliot style, romantic nonesense.
The PL is a ruthless shit-pit of stinking money-eating snakes and leeches sucking the life out of what used to be a beautiful thing.
We now need a manager who is respected by the players, who will have to be backed by the board .
For me the shortlist would be Martin O'Neil (with Keane), Chris Hughton, Arsen Wenger and Gordon Strachan.
Mark Morrissey
129 Posted 11/11/2017 at 17:29:51
It's blatantly obvious that Unsy will get the job until the end of the season; Simeone will be Moshiri's marquee signing next Summer and we'll get him in early too. Moshiri will bankroll him and I am expecting big things. There is no way that Dyche, Allardyce or anyone else is coming in.

Imagine it: Unsy wins the FA Cup for us against the RS and then we get Simeone.

Am I a dreamer? you learn to be one as an Evertonian but I think I'm right. Not sure about beating the RS to win the FA Cup though, I think it'll be Man Utd instead with Lukaku missing a penalty in the 89th minute to equalise.

Justin Doone
130 Posted 15/11/2017 at 09:03:48
I'm glad I know what a great sense of humour you all have. Shall we add Dalglish and Souness to the short list?

I'm a Mancini fan but Hiddink or Ancelotti would be fine shorter term. Hey I would even have taken Moyes back for a few Months.

Like most I would have loved Unsworth to go on a winning run of 5 or 6 games and prove he's the man but he hasn't. There has been an improvement in the playing tempo which is needed. We don't have the players to play and pass at a slow tempo. I like his belief in the young players but ultimately that's his job as coach of the U23s.

A tactician at Premier League level he isn't, maybe one day but I want the best for Everton now, not wait another few years to see how it goes.

I think there's likely to be more manager's becoming free in the next few months but usually because they are failing expectations at other clubs. Ultimately I see no one better than Mancini that combines experience and a proven track record to win us some silverware.

For the record I think Koeman is a good manager but it wasn't working out. I don't blame him solely for the poor recruitment (or lack of) but I think Walsh is a long term appointment and Koeman should have got more out of the players available.

We have got used to being patient so I'm in no hurry unless we start to sink again but I want Mancini sooner rather than later. We aren't even a third of the way through the season. We can turn it around. Over to Mo and Co.

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