Another manager gone as Everton sack Lampard

We might have got a new manager bounce and got a few results in. Can't see a new manager bounce certainly not in the next two games.

Who's next for the meat grinder?

A few available coaches at the moment:

Marcelo Gallardo

Mauricio Pochettino

Marcelo Bielsa (if we decide to go down with a bang!)

Sam Allerdyce (to get us out of trouble on a 6 months contract)

Thomas Tuchel

Problem is, it will be the same incompetent, clueless people who have got it all wrong in the past few years, are still in charge of finding a successor to FL, so I won't hold my breath!

This'll be interesting

There is enough qualiy to see us out of the relegation bunch but it needs to be the right appointment and I would trust this bunch of cowardly and indecisive clowns to get it right.

I assume they havent had anyone lined up so its gonna have to be someone who is available and willing to pick up the poisoned chalice.

Someone with a genuine affiliation for the club.
Someone whose passion will translate to players and fans alike.
Someone who’s served as a coach under a top manager(s), learning their trade from them.

If only…

Dyche, Duncan, Carsley?

I have no bloody idea who we should go for but I'm not the one selecting. I never wanted Howe a while ago and how I wish we had given him a go.

I really don't think Big Dunc is the answer. We need somebody with experience. At least with Dyche he managed well at Burnely for a few years.

Let's face it, he had his hands tied with our board!

Not Sure Where we go now. I think Dyche is probably the best option as I think he wouldn't suffer fools gladly and probably won't be afraid to ruffle a few feathers. Maybe not pretty football but his Burnley were always hard to beat.

No doubt Moshri will want a foreign manager and Kenwright will want Moyes… heaven help us.

Mind you, I would imagine they'll take the usual line of “He's shite” etc, etc, etc.

Obviously we have slim pickings but let's have a bit of common sense!

Feel Lampard was only a small part of the problem, but some of his tactics and team selections didn't help. Also in the last few games the defence have looked totally disorganised, maybe with some transfer funds he might have done a little bit better.

A bigger part of the problem is the board who just haven't got a clue how to run a football club and thew away too much money in the first instance trying to buy success too quickly. The sooner we can get rid of them the better and if it means going down then so be it.

Time for our DOF to show us he actually knows what he's doing and bring in some young cheap prospects ready for next year when we are in the championship.

Going to be a long long season.

But they get Everton lol.

Also please stop blaming the squad for his sacking! 8 of those are HIS signings!!!

We need an experienced Manager. Who that is I'll leave to the Oracle Christy Ring.

Get a no nonsense guy in like Dyche, I don't see the point of getting the same type of manager as we have had for the last 10 or so years.

I suspect that it might take the second coming of Jesus to save us this season though.

I want someone who gets Everton points, rather than 'gets Everton'.

Of course it won't be Dyche, it'll be one of Kia's never-beens

Unless they surprise us

FFS!

When you look at managers available, players available for transfers on a budget you can see how truly knackered we are.

Only we could squander so much money on bog average players. We have been so poorly run and managed it hurts.

Good riddance to Frank, never liked him at any point, horrible horrible type of person with nothing Everton about him in my opinion, full of shit and in my opinion insincere, lets have some grit back please, we arent ready for flash harrys

Lampard had to go, for poor management. Seems a great guy, gets the club and the fans, but he wasn't good enough. Not experienced enough

In some ways it is like the Top flight Professional of old nearing the end of his career, playing in the Lower Divisions below the championship or old second divison and realising the dressing room was full of cheats.I have read a few autobiographies which such a experience is discribed.

The Modern footballer can retire today or go to Everton who have replaced the Lower Divisions for such players, with the bonus of having cheats at nearly every level in the Club.They might even be able to get a job after their playing days are done.

The performance which I watched after the West Ham game, was cheats in action.It was a diabolical disgrace the way those players performanced.I have friends come up to me and say it was absolutely unbelievable the dross they where producing.

Bielsa please. I want to see us attack once in my lifetime!

But, that aside - good managers use what they've got and improve their lot. Frank was a bloody awful manager. We seem to have a knack for recruiting awful managers and paying over the odds for mediocre players.

I read somewhere today that if Holgate is still here when the new guy arrives - that will be the eleventh manager/caretaker manager that he will have served under.

The lack of official news from Everton FC's site is appalling, but I suppose they haven't yet realised that Rafa had been sacked.

Holgate is the gift that keeps on giving isn't here. Tom Davies has been in the squad just as long.

Luckily we have not been cut adrift as there are other terrible teams. If we get the next appointment right - there is still time and still hope.

IF, by some miracle, we do stay up then we'll only be in the same position again next year, and so on. It's sad to think that my gut feeling is that the only way we may improve is by being relegated so that those up top have to either take note or get out the club otherwise these clowns aren't going anywhere.

INT. BUNKER - FUHRER'S OFFICE - APRIL 2022 (er 1944)

"Herr General Lampard, ve haf sold Richarlison, Calvert-Lewin is permanently out of service and gifs zero shits, Townsend, Mina, Doucoure, Patterson are permanently crocked, Davies, Gray, Gordon, Keane, Mykolenko are totally shell shocked but all iz vell because I haf been inspiring ze troops mit mein Meisterplan! I haf bought a dvarf centre forward und Feldmarschall Moshiri is now going today on an Unterseeboat to Argentina for reinforcements - he says. Unfortunately, unser trips to Vest Ham (Leningrad), Brighton (North Africa), Bournemouth (Stalingrad), und zer home games with Wolves (Kursk), Normandy (Old Trafford), und ze Ardennes (Southampton) have not brought the victories we needed.

"I sink we are gefucked.

"Zis cannot be because of mein glorious leadership, it must be you. Just as it woz Silva, Ferguson, Benitez, Koeman, Ancelotti, Allardyce, Martinez..."

Tuchel/Sarri/Poch and Bielsa would all be available, but would they fancy grabbing a Rattlesnake by the Tail ?

I mean shaking hands with Kenwright, but assuming they wouldn't, I think Dyche would be the best fit. He knows the Premiership, got Burnley promoted and kept them up for 5 or 6 years, beating some of the top sides in that period.

I remember people on here also, poo pooing the idea of getting Eddie Howe a few Vacancies ago, but he is doing alright at the barcodes, as is Marco Silva with Fulham. Give who ever it is a chance to fail before writing them off in The Last Chance Saloon, because that is what this is !

Barry/Stephen, - Walid Regragui ? I'm sure I saw that on the menu in a Mongolian Restaurant once. :-)

Have you seen his record in the MLS, what makes anyone think he could turn us around?

Fuck me you couldn't make it up.

THe last time a club looked this broken, this chaotic and this bankrupt - financially, organisationally, and in its performance was Leeds 2003 - they disappeared for something like 14 yrs. An absolute nightmare for them. We really are looking at something not dissimilar if our board continually fail to address the insidious cancer in this club (tho, for everyone who cares but a jot for this club knows that the cancer is them )

I think we are going down. I would have preferred to have gone down with dignity, fighting for every point. But the lights have gone out for me. I fear it will be with ignomy and, from some, a sneering 'serves you right' and maybe, to be fair, they would be right.

Rooney finished bottom of the MLS, and bottom of the Championship. Surely finishing bottom of the EPL would be a more prestigious failure for his resume.

1) can I borrow your parallel universe machine please?

2) so you wouldn’t take Howe, Klopp, Conte, Wenger and Sarri either (since they all REALLY got relegated)?

So I'm willing to put myself forward and take one for the team. For just £5 million, I will follow Bill's instructions to the letter, I'll blame the supporters, the previous management, Liz Truss, Donald Trump, JK Rowling, the tea lady.

I'll get the wage bill down by selling anyone who's any good (OK, that's Jordan Pickford AAANNNNNDDD... no one else), and get Big Nev (well, Enormous Nev judging by recent photos) to act as a kind of bollard in the goal.

If he should somehow make a silk purse out of our pig’s ear, the football world will hail him as a genius.

We'd get relegated for sure, but at least we'd have some decent shortbread to nosh on.

Bielsa or Dyche for me. I think Dyche would have more chance of hitting the ground running and would give us a small chance of survival this season. Bielsa would be an interesting longer term proposition.

Can I be your undermanager, on condition it only takes up 5% of my time?

I really did believe we could be onto something with him as he, seemingly, had the full support of the fans and he'd toughened us up with the likes of Tarks and Coady.

He seems like a nice guy with real affection for our club. I wish him well in the future.

Burnley get relegated and sell their best players but Vincent Kompany comes in and revitalizes the Club in one close season; changing the whole coaching and fitness regime and gets them playing fast aggressive football.

But some people say that it has to be Dyche for us as our next manager due to hope that he can keep us up.

Instead of employing another dinosaur who will be gone in 6 months when we can't stand the miserable football we're playing why not make a progressive decision and go and get Kompany.

There are £5 million reasons why he'd take the job.

It's a joke. Firstly, they made it apparent he was done with their post match comments so why the two delay? And even now no official statement just the usual leaking to the press or perhaps it was even Frank's people doing the leaking. Who knows? Joke of a board.

What a fucking shambles of a club.

" Who ever comes in I think would have to be mental or skint."

So you're thinking maybe Gazza or Kenny Sansom?

He was useless and completely out of his depth, I can’t believe he’s getting off so lightly.

All told DC United won 2 of 14 under Wayne, and I saw no sign of improvement in any aspect.

Posted by ajeUser Info on January 23, 2023, 4:11 pm
Oliver Glasner - Eintracht Frankfurt
Tactical wizard who has masterminded Eintracht Frankfurt's recent success

Rúben Amorim - Sporting
Works on a budget and develops players but probably unattainable.

Lucien Favre - no one
Highly regarded for producing quick and attacking football in different leagues. Seems a bit nice for our squad full of charlatans.

Domenico Tedesco - no one
Sacked by RB Leipzig in September but took them into Champions League and won a domestic cup before that. Highly rated from time at Shalke. Fairly pragmatic playing style. Favours 3 at the back

Davide Ancelotti - Real Madrid (assistant)
Knows the squad and club from time under Carlo and was said to have had a fairly large role in coaching and team set up. Not known if he's go ambitions of making it as a manager but the chance at a Premier League club with little to lose must be tempting.

Lampard had to go for no other reason than to get the new manager bounce.

This is last chance saloon stuff. Even if we survive this season ffp is still hanging over us next year.

Other than saying he is a nice guy and appeared to be open and honest I can't defend his appalling managerial record.

The prem is full of clubs awash with money. Money dictates usually where a club finishes in the league. Since Benitez it's pretty obvious the club is walking a tightrope with ffp.

Lampard should have spent whatever money we had on strikers in the summer and we probably wouldn't be in this mess.

I don't want bielsa as this team don't have any legs. I want someone who knows the league and can motivate. Dyche is the obvious choice.

Would Poch sign on for the rest of the season?

Tough choices but we are again at the mercy of the cowboys running the club.

Coyb fuck the board.

Everton gives the impression of being an oligarch directed money-laundering operation "run" by a senile ex-Coronation Street actor where successful football is about number 37 on the list of objectives and well below "employing average ex-players in a non-executive role with the hope of deflecting any criticism"

Now SACK THE WHOLE FUCKING BOARD!

Gerry, thanks for explaining it!

Too busy leaking as usual.

If it was a phone call how much do you want to bet it was reverse charges?

Seven managers have made us progressively worse, what good is any another manager going to do, when they come into a disgraceful from top to bottom run football club.

I can see Duncan fist pumping when we are in the lower half of the championship.

Whoever they hire needs to be a ruthless bastard and start by sorting out the "Players' who couldn't wait to get off the pitch at West Ham at the final whistle... shameful!!

But seriously, what about Marcelino? He is available after leaving A. Bilbao back in July.

Or go for someone who will stay on even if we're relegated, with an eye for building next season - so working with young players being a priority. And prey.

I reckon it was 5% Moshiri, 30% Kia Jorachim, 25% Jim White and 40% the supporters.

Lampard going in my opinion makes no difference as the same problems will continue to haunt us. Dysfunctional decision making at board level will continue apace unless of course, Kenwright and Co resign or Moshiri finally does what he should have done years ago, sacks them. One swallow doesn't make a summer and one scapegoat doesn't make everything alright at Goodison Park.

As for Frank Lampard, we will always have our miracle. The night of the Palace victory.

For gods sake get Dyche he'll shake them up, its our only chance to stay up.

If anyone points to the BBC, he should say that they also announced that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction on the strength of Alastair Campbell's report, and that turned out not to be true so you can't believe anything from that source.

He should then announce that Moshiri has given him total executive control and that Bill Kenwright, Little Miss Dynamite and Sharpe have announced their resignation from the board.

It would be really interesting to know how much of a say he actually had in transfers. Someone decided to sign McNeill, presumably for his crossing ability. Crosses meant for the not-exactly-towering Maupay and our often injured target man DCL. And further on Maupay - I don’t think he is terrible, but he was infamous for missing chances at Brighton… so why bring him to a side that barely creates anything?

Nothing seems to be very joined-up does it? Which is partly why we’re here I suppose.

I understand that there is money involved, but still. Talking away after the West Ham game as if in total denial is really pathetic.
Personally, I do not think he had much impact on our situation at the end of last season. It was the fans and the players.

Speaking of delusional, I hope Billy the Kid and Mon Cherie move for a very quick replacement.

Not really, just the barcode fans making merry at our current situation

Well - you never know.

Sorry - come to my sense now - scrap that - I think sadly we do know all too well after the last three decades

Evertonians aspire to the highest level but the club lacks the means creating a toxic mix and the greatest poisoned chalice in English football.

Good luck, Fella. If it's any solace in 12 months time we'll be sacking the next guy unless bought out by an oil state.

Obviously defensively not great, and potential for him to fall out and resign after 5 games.

at least if we got relegated with Bielsaz there'd be the feeling that we went down fighting

Not saying I think he should be hired, there are equal chances of him being either a success or being an absolute disaster.

However, he can speak English Ray. He just chooses not to speak English to the media.

Lampard joins the procession of managers deemed not good enough, yet again a scapegoat for the appalling decisions of the last decade made by Moshiri and Kenwright.

That's why we are where we are. We have players who should not be in the Premier League never mind our first team. We have zero quality outside perhaps 5 or 6 players. Even in the last few seasons we have seen the back of Richarlison, James, Digne, Sigurdsson, Allan, every single one light years better than their replacements. You can't replace quality with dross and expect to survive. What did the board do? Appoint an inexperienced manager and ask him to put the jigsaw together without ever allowing him to see the picture on the box.

It was doomed to fail however good a man he is, however passionate he was in the fans, however much most of us wanted so much for it to work.

This club is teetering on the brink of total collapse due solely to the quality of leadership and culture of ownership. There is no point in having money if you aren't allowed to spend it or spend what you have badly. The disgraceful perfect storm of a club with financial backing, ruinous leadership, in a league that allows absurd transfer spends by some clubs but not others.. no matter who or how it's funded.

I have no idea who has the balls big enough for this job, but whoever it is must know they are not playing with a full deck, that what they are told will be mostly bullshit, that they better have their own plan to fix it because they can expect this board to have another bus ready to throw him under should the fans turn against them. (the board)

The last 20 years have finally, inevitably, come home to roost. Our fears and warnings went not only went unheeded but were ridiculed by incompetent leadership. We have been the mushrooms under the main stand in all that time.

Personally I feel I have been shouting in the wind half my life with this club I love and can't let go. I am angry, saddened, upset but not at all surprised. There is an oft used expression used here that best sums up my feelings, it's the hope that gets you.

I am ashamed of the ownership and leadership of this club, the self interest culture of what's best for me. The utter lack of a plan, a vision we can all support and believe in. The leadership who have done everything in their power to eradicate responsibility and communication with shareholders and fans, their silence is only matched by their arrogance. They live in a world where they believe everything they say and condemn perspectives outside of their circle.

Fans aren't perfect, just a reflection of society, good and bad. All WE want is a team we love to inspire us once more and a team on and off the pitch with a plan, communicated and believed in by all, understood by all. Self interest and incompetence of leadership sees another manager gone. Until change happens in the boardroom, until communication of a plan is shared, the carnage will continue.

Somehow, we have to survive. Somehow we have to inspire players and manager to get out of this hole we are in. It's a sticking plaster where surgery is required, but right now we have to stop the bleed, save the patient, save the club.

One thing should be realized that who ever takes over the managers job at Everton he is going to have a massive rebuilding job which will take as I mentioned before at least 3 years and probably involve the relegation to the
Championship.

Rob, Skunk fans would need to be 80 to have any real recollection of an FA Cup victory and there's no one alive who will remember the last time this so called 'Big Club' won the League. Fantasists, all of them.

Both Sunderland and Sheffield Wednesday have lifted the league title since Newcastle last did, and the Mackems have won it six times compared to Newcastle's four.

If we go down we will loose a number of players who will not want to play in a lower league, so we are back to another rebuild, so never mind getting in a manager who excels in defending his own goal let us get a manager who wants to defend His goal after we have put 3 goals in the other end.

If we are going to go down I would rather see my club go down fighting to stay up, not defending.

There are to many good teams and players who are manged by good managers that will rip apart a one trick pony like Dyche.

Battles are not won by being safe, battles are won by taking manageable risks.

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It seems like some are still ignorant of our current predicament, including our board. We've made this move far, far too late. There aren't enough winnable games left.

https://news.paddypower.com/football-news/2023/01/23/breaking-sean-dyche-everton-manager-rumours-intensify/

Lampard has been trying hard but after 3 managerial jobs is still learning the coaching side of things.

Obviously with solid financial backing one could speculate that he could have been in a better position than he is now but that's maybe being a little complimentary.

He seems a nice guy and I am sure he will emerge as a successful manager down the line.

He just seemed a little naive at times with strategies which were costing Everton precious points at times when they looked in a good position for a win or draw.

Any new man will need a lot of luck to turn this around although there is half a season to go.

It's going to be a real dogfight with some of the dross around us and we will need some big efforts like the Man.City game.

Just like the so called experts on here who once upon a time proclaimed that Eddie Howe was a light weight and didn't know how to organise a defence . tell that to Newcastle fans now.

The focus here is to survive in the Premier League. Forget any planning for next season. The plan has to deal with a club on a knife edge now.

Since there is no money (apparently), there is no point in bringing in a coach who can only perform when bringing in his type of player. We need a coach who can work with what is there and bring the best out of them.

This sort of thinking leads inevitably to Dyche: he knows the strengths of the ex-Burnley players at least, and he built his reputation on getting the best out of the fairly average (which is our squad).

If we bring in someone like Dyche we may get more defensive and solid at the back but unfortunately that is not what we need right now

The only way of getting away from the bottom 3 is to win games. 3 points or nothing at this stage

If we are going down at least lets try and put the effort in.

Rooney, Ferguson, Dyche will not get us winning
Maybe that mad arse Bielsa might.
He seems to know only one way of playing
Might he be interested in a short term deal after being out the game for a fair while

Sean Dyche – 6/4
Marcelo Bielsa – 3/1
David Moyes – 6/1
Nuno Espirito Santo – 10/1
Wayne Rooney – 10/1
Sam Allardyce – 12/1
Duncan Ferguson – 12/1
Ange Postecoglou – 12/1
Domenico Tedesco – 12/1
Rafa Benitez – 14/1

Even Arteta would struggle with our squad.

You’re implying that things would be different with someone else?

I’m absolutely gutted, but not for Lampard, but for every single Evertonian, who deserves better. Christine’s sad but very good post, is very similar to the words used by Alan Stubbs, on sky television before.

We all know where the ‘problem lies’, but the club is full of “nepotistic liars”. People who have always been more concerned about themselves than Everton, still reign, but surely they can’t have long left now

Lampard's biggest failing was playing with only one lone striker. The players we have need lots of chances to score, they are just not clinical. We might concede lots of goals with Bielsa and lose many games, but maybe, just maybe he can get us to win enough games to stay up.

Jim : " I'm hearing that you have made a decision on who the next manager will be"

Mosh: "It's nothing to do with me Jim, I only sign the cheques, although that's taking up less and less of my time, i've got stubs here to prove it"

Jim "Stubbs, you're going for Stubbs but isn't he person non Grata at Goodison?"

Mosh: "Ha ha he he, Bill will be having kittens, no not Alan Stubbs,

Cheque Stubs"

Jim: "Thanks for the clarification Farhad, so who is the manager going to be?"

Mosh:" Frank, Jim, Its always been Frank my number one target"

Jim: "The guy from Brentford Farhad?"

Mosh: "No Jim, have you been on the whisky again?, Frank from Chelsea, he's excited to be the Everton manager"

Jim: "OK Farhad, I'll speak to you again next year!"

The scene: Bill Kenwright’s luxury apartment in West London. There are sleeping bags and cushions on the floor along with the remains of last night’s takeaways and a couple of empty bottles of brown ale.

Baxi, Sharp and Ingles are round the kitchen table. Baxi is updating her Linkdin profile, Sharp is wearing a gold lame dressing gown and doing a jigsaw, Ingles is pressing numbers on a calculator, then sighing, pressing clear and starting again.

Bill walks in wearing just his vest and underpants.

Baxi: Oh Bill, can we go back to Liverpool today?

Bill: No, Baxi darling, still too dangerous. We’ll hunker down here for a few more days. It’s great isn’t it? Like Churchill in his wartime bunker.

(no enthusiasm from anyone else)

Sharp: It all went wrong on Saturday, didn’t it boss? We lose, West Ham win, Moyesie keeps his job and we’ve got to sack Frank.

(Bill’s face darkens)

Bill: First, my little Scottish friend, get my bloody dressing gown off. It was a present from Billy J Kramer.
Second, it didn’t go quite according to plan but trust in your uncle Billy, he always gets it right.

(Baxi sniggers)

Bill: Mosh turning up unannounced wasn’t a help. Looking like Dracula and with those 6 Chechen thugs in tow, no wonder our poor little lambs were so petrified and couldn’t make two passes.

Baxi: They can’t anyway.

(Sharp sniggers – Bill scowls at him and flips a couple of jigsaw pieces into place)

Bill: Finish this today, Sharpie, and I’ll let you move up to 100 pieces. Now, I’ll take you all out for lunch at one of my clubs and then we’ll take in a show. I know where I can get some cheap tickets for a Monday afternoon.

Sharp: Haven’t we got to sack Frank and find someone else?

Bill: Oh, plenty of time for that. There’s 18 games left, you know, and there's always a Carlos-Victor-Marcelo Ancello-Bielzeebub-iera hanging around looking for a job if we can't get Moyesie.

Come on, disguises on everyone.

That would be a great choice from left field and he's quite a character so he might ruffle a few feathers here.

No Dyche - his style of football doesn't work against the modern player that play between the lines at lightening pace like Rashford and Saka.

No Beisla - needs to sign 3 more strikers for the bench as the team would be knackered by half time and if he doesn't have 3 world class sprinters on the bench then the open football will give other teams a free pass to score goals

Urgent - sign 2 finishers with pace, control of the ball, make good runs and not afraid to make the runs. The right manager will be tempted with 2 excellent finishers added to the squad.

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I understand that the formal club announcement re Lampard & his colleagues departure will only be made after the completion of legal formalities (which is the correct procedure). The earlier release of news of his departure was not authorised by the club.

Hopefully his manager short list is shorter than that plan. As for the Odds on list. What a ridiculous assortment of clowns. Rafa at 14/1? We literally just sacked him for doing what Frank has done this season plus being a wanker in general. Why in God's name does anyone think he is in the running? Allardyce we sacked years ago since when he's been relegated and retired I believe? Moyes? He he has a better squad, better board and better points than us even though he is yesterday's man with a failed relegation battle to his name. Rooney? Worst in the league at Derby. Worst in the MLS.
I assume these fools are on here as the media realize even bigger fools are the ones making the decision.

When I think of our basket case of a club, I'm not sure the current players could cope with a man as intense as Bielsa, and it would probably end in tears by March, but and as always, it's a big fucking but….But Imagine watching Everton playing with real intensity?

Give us a new owner, who could take the financial hit, but then give us some fresh ideas and a proper achievable plan, and I'm already prepared for relegation, but I'd love to see some gung-ho football, and believe this might just keep Everton up. Especially if we can get in another couple of attack minded players before the transfer window closes, in 8 days time.

It needs to be a fully experienced organiser with balls of steel. Forget the so called elite managers it’s not happening and may not work even if it was.

Dyche doesn’t inspire the purists , dour, methodical, potatoes, mud sprouts, turnips, steak and kidney pie and soggy chippy chips … but you have to give him some credit for what he did at Burnley.

They boxed above their weight for many years under him in the toughest league. He has football in his blood as a lower leagues player starting out under Clough, and then a long, over performing managerial career. No silver spoons on the way . The hard earned, fully time served managerial experience is all there.

They all look big gambles to me, but to try to keep us in the league possibly Dyche is the best choice of those available and who would be motivated to come not just financially but with professional vigour.

Whether he is the one to take the club forward after he keeps us up is another debate altogether , but Dyche himself will provide evidence for that one way or another through his results.

Whoever gets it will have a very tough time, the financial situation, the board dysfunction, half the fans will be skeptical of any appointment from the current list of suspects.

In light of it all, if that man can keep us up it will be a heroic effort.

Imagine the awkwardness when they review Frank's contract and realize he is due compensation. Then a press release from the club saying that he never was sacked and in fact a fan placed the head of PR in a headlock and forced him to leak this fake news.

Less than 3 minutes in and Danny Higginbotham got to the conclusion. Then immediately it was noted that there is no club statement. Devastating as it gets.

We are no longer a big club and must stop playing it out from the back. Tight defence, midfield that works its bollocks off and strikers who give their all.

Got to be Dyche!!

A long-time, playing star who couldn't let go of the limelight. And "Big-Name" his way into 3 manager jobs and failed at all of them.

And despite his indisputably clue-free handling of the Team, Mr. "What a great guy." hung in there until the Club had to settle with him financially.

Nice.

So, good-bye Frank, you me-first, selfish piece of shit.

Your playing days are long-gone and you sure can't manage a club. So, go climb mountains for 3 years or so and get "I'm Big-Time" out of your system. Those days are over.

Not Chocolate Snowballs either !

Don't matter who they bring in very unlikely they can get these players to win enough games. Six managers later these gobshites running the Club still haven't noticed it's the players who are shite.

That's perfectly normal, but the unofficial leaking is interesting, isn't it?

A properly written contract would or should spell out the terms for severance, financial and non-financial. Any deviation from that can be meet with legal action if breached. Let's face it, we do this at least annually so we should be good at it by now.

As for the new manager, personally I'd accept our fate and find someone who can re-build from the Championship. But I think Moshiri will be desperate for one last throw of the dice to avoid his investment going up in smoke. That says to me Dyche, he is probably the only one with experience and desperate enough to do the job.

https://www.evertonfc.com/teams/men/staff

The main conclusion they draw is that Frank's record was so poor that he had to go, but then they mentioned that our transfers have been very poor and we have wasted money(oh I never heard that before!) but they also thought that Carlo had been the best manager of recent history(overlooking Alardyce's and Koeman's finishing around (8th?)

So the narrative is, Moshiri is trigger-happy and we spent too much money on poor players and sacked people unfairly.

It's such lazy journalism.

No mention of Bill Kenwright and his "guidance" to Moshiri, or the tentacles that Bill has stretching all over the place, nor did I hear mentioned the name of our CEO.

They scratched their heads wondering about just how it could have been so disfunctional but our Chairman and CEO were left out of the conversation.

Makes you wonder!

So it's all Moshiri's fault and he's an idiot for wasting all that money no mention of the new stadium and how much money that might be taking away from tthe club, no mention of the Uzbeki money man who has left the country.

What a programme!

They are even going for Felicity Kendall believing that she must have been related to Howard, so has the blueprint for success! :-)

A comments was made by Dominic King saying that Goodison was a home of real football, that Everton are a big club, Sutton just laughed, asking when real football was last played there, another pundit (Nevin?) Said Brighton were there a few ago more laughter...

I am fucking livid (sorry, really I am for that) but I am so angry with the people ruining my club.

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different outcome.

You'd think that someone with a few brain cells could put two and two together and realize "Errr, I don't think the manager is the problem here."

Nothing will change until the club is sold and a new professional board is hired. Unfortunately, that ain't gonna happen in time to save us from relegation.

Eeryone know the board is gash. Never even told the players. So, I hope everyone doesn't forget and really tries to get them out.

However, thinking the solution was staying with grey Frank just cos others before got sacked is as daft a suggestion as anything Moshiri or Kenwright have come up with, for fuck's sake.

At least we'd have a clue on how to attack balls in the box.

As well as Marcelo Bielsa, Duncan Ferguson is also under consideration to be appointed as Everton’s new manager. (Source: @David_Ornstein

Farhad will you please find a buyer please, please. If Moshiri doesn't sell the club, the whole board should resign in protest against the owner.

As expected, absolutely nothing useful in there.

They're only mentioning Felicity Kendall because we all want the Good Life.

Our goal now has to be a 17th-place finish, full stop. We're not going to attract some of the names mentioned on here to be our next manager.

We need someone to come in and conduct a blunt assessment of our current squad, get the best out of our talented boys like Onana and Calvert-Lewin, give Seamus a run until the end of the season and dump the spoofers, eg, Gray, Maupay, Iwobi etc.

Give it to Dyche, we're not going to interest the likes of Tuchel or Pochettino and they wouldn't be the right fit anyway.

And please… no more mention of Tom Davis – he has to be one of the most limited players I've ever seen at our club.

When all's said and done, he's like our team… not much up top.

Neil Warnock.

Don't get the vitriol aimed toward a guy who, whatever his obvious shortcomings, tried his damnedest under dire circumstances that even the most experienced, trophy-laden coach would labour to turn around.

His record demonstrates he wasn't good enough but, despite the shit hand he was dealt, he displayed obvious pride in representing the club and fans and remained hard working, honest, professional and approachable even as his neck edged nearer to the chopping block… unlike those who swung the axe and will probably now point the finger of blame at the supporters for sharpening it, shoving it in their sweaty mitt, attaching strings to their arms and manoeuvring them like a marionette:

“It was not me, Jim. The fans…they were holding Sharpie's panda hostage and said ‘pull the trigger, Farhad, or this panda will never get to learn Kung Fu' and… I ask you Jim… what could I do?”

The same pack of shifty half-arsed custodians who don't even have enough common decency to release an official statement confirming the departure of the man they hired, despite it already being common knowledge hours before.

For me, it will make very little difference who the new ‘manager' is until they ditch the flawed director of football model that has done nothing for this club but gather a group of gutless goldbrickers who look about as at home on grass as Harrison Ford did high-fiving a fucking Ewok, while exhibiting all the fiduciary responsibility of Richard Pryor in a fictional mayoral race.

Lampard will be paid well and is already loaded... but I'm sure his decision to go into management wasn't to make a few quid and get out with compensation.

We've pretty much ended his managerial career in just 12 months. He serves as a lesson to any manager with career ambitions – don't go to Everton.

So who next? Pretty much anyone that will take us.

We can only hope that the delay in sacking and announcing was strategic... ie, because we've got an incoming manager sorted. I wouldn't count on it.

David Moyes.. reasonable, till this season at West Ham.
Roberto Martinez..got the Belgium job, and now Portugal.
Dave Unsworth, performing miracles at Oldham.
Ronald Koeman, now got the Holland job.
Marco Silva, doin ok at Fulham.
Carlo Ancelotti, upwards & onwards with Real Madrid.

so chin up..its not all doom & gloom..!

https://www.evertonfc.com/news/3035655/club-statement

See anything you didn’t know?

Christine: Sutton is a nasty bellend who has always hated us, and Nevin a whining piece of nothing. Ignore

No idea if it is true but I had a friend from Lincolnshire up near where Sutton was living when at Norwich and he said Sutton was a devil worshipper. I am not joking here, as I say I have no idea if it is true but we later found out the guy who told us this (it was a dorm mate at Uni) was in fact himself a devil worshipper.

But after years of decay, it will be a mammoth task.

For the new manager, I hope he’s cut his teeth in football management and can command total respect, of his players and his management team.

Who ever takes the job, must be brave and be his own person and do, what he needs, to do, but with what could be with limited finds, unless there’s some sales of significant value in the next week.

The board should resign.

If they had any honour, they would, the club has been brought to its knees, and they, brought the scorn of the media onto Everton FC and it’s supporters.
How not to run a football club...

The ongoing concern, is this could be another chapter in the decades of mediocrity and in 12 months time, It’s Groundhog Day again. Pray to God, this has been the Final Conflict...

Bitterly difficult times for EFC, but let’s hope this time around there’s genuine hope on the horizon.

As has been said, very rarely do great footballers make good, let alone great managers.

Franks legacy, being honest he kept us up last season, and that’s about it, as in reality, the most partisan Everton support, rallied the squad, and miracle of the Palace game happened.

But the Board, should be accountable and Thelwall.

Selling our best player to Spurs, and not replacing him, and buying Championship players to bolster the squad, contributed to Evertons malaise, before the season started.

The ex player who can’t be named chipped in with good goals, dead balls, and assists, as did Hamez.
That creativity, Richarlisons fight and desire, and never replacing Lukaku, has also contributed to an organic decline of the EFC 1st teams, effectiveness, over the last 6 years.

So the very best of luck to the new manager, and my hunch is I’ve no idea who it will be, but they will get the full support of Evertonians.

Staying up is possible, and it’s a funny old game.

New manager bounce, let’s see.

UTFTs!

Whilst Lampard seems to have been a nice bloke, so’s the Dalai Lama, but I’ll be damned if he should be our manager.
Lampard has plainly not been good enough. Strategically naive, predictable and no where near a manager that could have been thought of as classy.
The clear worry now is who will follow him, and should we trust our board to appoint someone who is at least reasonable?
I’m horrified by some of the suggestions and likely candidates.
1. Rooney. Untested, a poor thinker and no doubt, poorer readerer and writerer. Might be good at colouring in though.
2. Dour Davey. He’d bring his knife back to the gunfight. Close to being proven equally dreadful with West Ham. Why on earth would we contemplate him again? How on earth could we Evertonians be so naive.
3. Mr Dyche. He’s a maybe for me, but not too certain about his calibre. He got close to taking Burnley down, and we could easily see Keane being central to his plans. Good for a foot up the arse of the players perhaps, but not sure.
4. Maurizio Sarri. Maybe too, but didn’t last at Chelsea (who does!) and very uncertain of what he would have to offer.
5. Big Dunc. A admired and passionate man and Evertonian, but too little experience for our present position. This shouldn’t be an option we consider.
6. Bielsa? Of the names mentioned, perhaps my most preferred, as I believe he’d clear out plenty of very dead wood - most of our squad - and instil some passion and desire. He would also likely not take crap from Bill.
7. Pochetino? He might be a decent bet, but our financial position might hinder what he needs.

Fundamentally I’d like to see the removal of Kenwright. Had enough.

Let’s hope we get a manager who can save us. We bloody well need saving right now.

I thought John Wayne was ' Hovis ' let alone into Football Management, but we do need someone with True Grit !

A dead-accurate description of that mirage of a manager.

"If I ever met him now would be proud to shake his hand."

I'm not stopping you.

The only part of his body interested me was the back-of-him. For the last time, thank God.

He has a serious bad record as a manager. Do not sign Rooney please. That is maybe worse than Lampard...

Does the board have a deathwish?

He has a serious bad record as a manager. Do not sign Rooney please. That is maybe worse than Lampard...

Does the board have a deathwish?

Never wanted him in the first place. Obviously signed a ‘name’ as opposed to a manager and I couldnt understand why so many fans wanted him.

He seems a nice bloke but is a clueless manager. Poor team set up, poor tactics and almost non existent in-game management. A half decent manager would get this squad up the table.

Add to all above utterly shocking signings. McNeil, Maupay, Ali - amazing waste of money.

Please please bring someone in that has more than 5 minutes of management experience and isn’t signed because he was a former player.

NOT Moyes.

NOT Martinez

S.Dyche joined Burnley 2012. Promoted from Championship to Premier in 2013/14 season. Relegated back down to the Championship in 2014/15 season. Promoted back to the Premiership in 2015/16 season. Finished 16th in the 2016/17. season 7th in the 2017/18th season the following seasons they finished 15th, 10th, and 17th and they were in 18th place when he left in the 2021/22 season.
Remember this was a manager who over the years brought in the type of players he wanted to play his style of play, before wanting him at Everton, 2 of his ex players are in the defense and the goals against speak for them.

Not a hint of vitriol in it. Spoke my words calm, clear-thinking, AND accurate.

I said not one word against him in here while he was our manager. Had plenty of words to myself about him, but spoke none because he was managing my Club and one has to hope for the best. He was the worst, but hung on until the Club had to force him out, and pay him out.

"despite the shit hand he was dealt. . . . "

You're among a number who've voiced that over his tenure. When he signed, Frank KNEW it was shit hand being dealt him by a years-long dysfunctional Club operation. Yet, he gets a pass on that?

This simmering civil war is about to explode and it looks like the thespian and his sidekick could be the losers. Praying for a miracle.

Surely Moshiri would be in the grey corner since it's not his decision.

You have two managers that are polar opposites in footballing philosophy, and Bielsa? do me a favour, Speaking of polar opposites, I could not think of a manager less suited to this squad of players, In addition, when he got found out, Leeds got bounced around every ground, including ours and only narrowly avoided relegation.

As for who will replace Lampard? No idea and even more worrying, don't really care. Give it to Deli Alli, he's hung up his boots, or the lollipop man from St Saviours, he'll give the kids a pathway. One thing's for sure, this board will fuck up the appointment.

Give dyche a go he's not my favourite. If it was end of season I'd say bielsa, but think dyche would get a quicker reaction from the bunch of dossers we have.

Simon Grayson, the Van Gogh impersonator is available.

Let's be realistic here, the Managers are NOT the main problem, they will come and go, and get blamed like the Fans and players to a degree, for failure. Most of us long standing Evertonians know where the real problem lies, and will most likely remain until we absolutely jettison the Chairman. It doesn't take a 'Sherlock Holmes' to fathom out that all of Everton's problems have happened, or declined even further, on his watch !

Plus, the old adage, being a great player does not guarantee (very rarely) being a Great Manager !

Some of the top names being mentioned are pure fantasy. Also there is little chance of a promising manager like Kompany risking his reputation at this stage of the season when he will probably take his club back to the Premier League. In any event we don’t have the money to prise anybody away from their current job.

I’d also love to see a manager push hard to maximise the talents of the current squad. There’s a lot of players playing poorly due to the system employed by Lamps. Bielsa would set them free

Plus watching Everton could be fun again!

Hopefully you get the message 🙄😡

That said we have been dire for most of this season and as far as I can tell there have been almost no changes to tactics or the starting eleven even when changes were possible.

Whoever is responsible for letting us start the season without a new striker (Maupay doesn't count) is to blame for our current malaise.

Not having a forward has sapped confidence game on game and it's been painful to see it happening.

I'll get behind any new manager but really can't understand these calls for ex-players with little or no experience.

Bodø, a club with virtually no money has made it good the last 5 years or so. They do it very simple. They say they are going to play 433. So the manager coming in has to adjust.

It is then also much easier to buy players. You see what is lacking and in what positions. Then we do not have to end up with 3 number 10s, and a place in no mans land as it is right now.

I've previously voiced an opinion in that I'd like Dyche to come in (I'll expand now) with an 18 month contract, in three parts.

Firstly, a 6 month break clause if we get relegated.

Secondly, the contract would state that they have to achieve 15th (EPL) or better by 15.12.23, or again there would be a contract break.

Thirdly, if they keep us up by the end of the 23/24 season, we could i) Extend their contract depending on various set targets, or ii) Pay a 20% bonus (for example) and let them walk.

Additionally, pay them on a tiered structure, I.e. 1-6 months on X, 7-12 months on X+30%, 13-18 months X+60% and bonus for EPL survival.

As for the new appointment; I'd forget any manager in situ currently, or any high profile manager, and take off those blue tinted glasses. The only manager we will attract is one that is unemployed. If an employed manager does come, it's for the money and not the possible status. Plus whoever comes, cannot be a managerial neophyte, they will need experience and nous.

In fact regards the above, if you'd like to replace Dyche with your preferred manager of choice, just apply the same rules/contract.

The one manager being mentioned, and is a bookies favourite, that I do not want is Bielsa. Not that I have anything against him, his system, his discipline or his methods. It is purely the fact, that we don't have 15, durable outfield players that are athletic enough currently.

Hence his system and methods would appear 'foolish'(?) applied to this squad, if he were appointed; even if they all were to become 'sport-induced' asthmatics like the RS were/are?

There is no way in hell, imho, that with 4.5 months and 18 games to go, that Bielsa could or would work. QED just look at FF and the current fitness of the players.

If, and it is a HUGE IF the board or owner (and his owners, Kia and Uncle Alisher) actually 'luck out' and get the choice right, there are enough games to survive.

My last point is, I'm fed up with people saying we play boring football, the football is poor, we're clueless, we have a poor squad etc etc etc. Forget all that, we are where we are, I couldn't careless if we played 8-0-2 hoof-ball IF WE GET POINTS.

Do we/you really want exciting, attacking football, even if we go down!

Really?

If we go down, this club will implode financially, and collapse quicker than a house of cards.

I demand from this club, our club, EPL survival, at all costs!

Going forward, this club is going to need a new executive board, a new scouting system, A STRATEGY, A VISION, and a new 'Winning' culture, before we even think about such niceties as tiki-taki or such like. (Or even just playing pass and go triangles!)

'nuff said?

Park BMD for a year or two, relieve the financials, and get the club sorted out! What is the point of a new shiny garage, if you haven't got a car to put in it?

+++++++++++++++

Marcelo Bielsa

Pros:

- Every game would finish with Ice Hockey scores (4-3, 5-2...fancy that!)

- Defenders from opposing teams would have BOTH Nightmares AND Insomnia after being pressed by us...

- A lot of buckets are needed at Finch Farm because Senor Bielsa's famed "MurderBall" training regimen would have the team puking up so much that they won't fancy getting drunk

- A Coaching Legend with unrivalled Tactical Acumen: who else is listed as someone whom Pep Guardiola looks up to as a coach?

- A Top Class person: Leeds have a street named after him and my Leeds mates are still mad with the Club Owners one year after his dismissal

Cons:

- Stubborn to a degree: he will only play his style and would not adapt to anything else that might be pragmatic enough to salvage a game (look at his last 10 games with Leeds when his injured squad could not played his demanding style on the field)

- Drill Sergeant: as above, "MurderBall" everyday at Finch Farm might send our entire First Team to Alder Hey Children's Hospital because they would be so banged up that they wouldn't be able to do anything but to spend time helping with the rehab of the children there

- Senor Bielsa would need full Personnel Power and getting him in would be a Deja Vu to the Benitez-Brands Power Struggle (how did we come out of it?) and another Director of Football in Thelwell would be heavily compromised: at best, Thelwell would be demoted into a de-facto "Head of Youth Development" that encompasses only anything from U21 down (IMHO, the changes & structures that Thelwell has laid down to date have begun showing promises) and Bielsa is a "Control Freak" that Thelwell would have no autonomy to do his job properly; at worst, Thelwell would leave as soon as a better opportunity elsewhere is available and all he has done with our Youth Setup would then be gone in a blink of an eye

++++++++++++++++

Wayne Rooney

Pros:

- He got his Derby Team of mostly U21 players going through the wall for him, despite daily turmoil (he actually paid his players' wages for 2 weeks out of his own pocket)

- He kept Derby in the Relegation Fight a lot longer than the entire country would reckon (they were relegated only after the 40th game of a 46 games season)

- He showed a willingness to put aside the ideal playing style he strives and play a pragmatic style for survival

- Scouser Heritage

Cons:

- He hasn't shown being tactical astute enough for Premier League level

- He might not have the appetite for another relegation fight, having gone through a doomed campaign with Derby that has lost him more hair than he ever had

++++++++++++++++

Leighton Baines

In American Football terms, it's time to throw a "Hail Mary": name Leighton as Interim Manager till the end of the season.

For what we know of Leighton's down-to-earth personality, he might not even accept the post should he be offerred the role. But should he choose to accept, he will bring the following benefits:

1) Other than Seamus, he is the last link to the Moyes regime that brought us the stability, structure, discipline and relatively consistent success. He knows what it takes to forge a closely knitted team spirit and how to demand the best out of players in a quiet, measured yet assertive way.

2) He is technically astute, which has been highlighted a number of times by Don Carlo & his coaching team.

3) Nobody at the club played for more managers (8 in total, FFS!) than he did (Moyes, Bobby Brown Shoes, Koeman, Rhino, Fat Sam, Marco Silva, Big Dunc & Don Carlo), which would give him a unique Alchemist perspective on how to mold the team into a Frankenstein. Nobody knows better than him, in terms of the individual SWOT for the majority of the squad.

4) Some of my fellow Evertonians mentioned the need to bring in a tough disciplinarian who can bring constant earful to the players. Like Leonardo DiCaprio said in the movie Inception: "Positive emotions trump negative emotions every time. We all yearn for reconciliations. Catharsis." We rarely see Leighton losing his cool and erupting like a Volcano (even during his voice-out that turned Bobby Brown Shoes against him wrongfully) and his cool composure is needed for a team of misfits to gain back the confidence.

5) Some of the youngsters who are on the fringes of First Team have already played for him, which would make their eventual transition into the First Team even easier. He might be even daring enough to play some of those youngsters for a change.

6) Going with Leighton, what else do we have to lose?

A good manager could have made the sum of this team greater than it's parts because we have some pretty good parts but Moshiri listened to the supporters,

I hope I never hear another word from anyone who wanted Lampard as manager. All those who clamored for his hiring should just shut the hell up. I hope you go away forever because anyone who studies hard knew from the beginning Lampard was not any good. Anyone who post any comment on ToffeeWeb should state if they supported Lampard's hiring.

I am an American who years ago picked Everton to support for reasons I will not disclose now.

Yes the owner and the board are terrible. I have argued against this organization for years (many posts). Rot starts from the head down and I figured out very quickly ( several years ago) that this organization did not have what it takes.

From an outsider perspective so to speak I think this club has enough talent to avoid relegation. Do I think this organization has enough ability to do what it need to take to avoid it. No.

A good manager could have made the sum of this team greater than it's parts because we have some pretty good parts but Moshiri listened to the supporters,

I hope I never hear another word from anyone who wanted Lampard as manager. All those who clamored for his hiring should just shut the hell up. I hope you go away forever because anyone who studies hard knew from the beginning Lampard was not any good. Anyone who post any comment on ToffeeWeb should state if they supported Lampard's hiring.

I am an American who years ago picked Everton to support for reasons I will not disclose now.

Yes the owner and the board are terrible. I have argued against this organization for years (many posts). Rot starts from the head down and I figured out very quickly ( several years ago) that this organization did not have what it takes.

From an outsider perspective so to speak I think this club has enough talent to avoid relegation. Do I think this organization has enough ability to do what it need to take to avoid it. No.

A good manager could have made the sum of this team greater than its parts because we have some pretty good parts but Moshiri listened to the supporters.

I hope I never hear another word from anyone who wanted Lampard as manager. All those who clamored for his hiring should just shut the hell up. I hope you go away forever because anyone who studies hard knew from the beginning Lampard was not any good.

I am an American who years ago picked Everton to support for reasons I will not disclose now.

Yes, the owner and the board are terrible. I have argued against this organization for years (many posts). Rot starts from the head down and I figured out very quickly (several years ago) that this organization did not have what it takes.

From an outsider perspective, so to speak, I think this club has enough talent to avoid relegation. Do I think this organization has enough ability to do what it needs to take to avoid it? No. Can we get lucky enough to find the right manager to avoid he drop? Yes.

The clamour (English spelling cause it’s an English club — no offense to intelligent posters like Mike Gaynes or Jamie Crowley) for Frank as you put it was when the alternative was a nut job client of Kia. As for your superior knowledge from your “studying” what does that entail exactly? As to your wish never to hear from anyone again who supported Frank and that they should “shut the hell up.” Tough luck on that score sunshine as most fans supported him either directly or due to lack of alternatives. While as an American “you chose Everton years ago,” the club and the fans have been around a lot longer than your fleeting interest and May I suggest you take your own advice shut the hell up and arbitrarily select some other random sports team from some other random country to “study.” By the way how many times have you been to Goodison Park?

I have no idea where we turn now from a manager standpoint, but assuming we show some sort of bounce in the coming 4-6 weeks, my greatest hope is that Everton Football Club’s fans — us! — somehow again shows just how classy and passionate and determined we are that we again lift this squad of underachieving bang average players onto our shoulders and do the unthinkable: save us from relegation two years in a row. I cannot fathom we’ll wallow in despair, no matter how bleak things look, not until we’re mathematically eliminated from staying in the premier league.

Good to see you back mate another proper American Evertonian. Hope the family are doing well.

The bottom 7 teams who have won 4 out of the last 35 league games they have played. We need to hire a manager who can drag this squad of players above 3 of those teams and avoid relegation.

Who should take over as manager? I have no clue.

There are actually some good managers out there who are immediately available - Pocchettino, Tuchel, Marcelino, Tedesco, Luis Enrique, Villa-Boas,

Dyche might be the man to save us, but less likely to take us forward. His last season with Burnley was a disaster (4 wins from 35 league games), but he would simplify our gameplan in a way this squad might be able to handle. He did have run-ins with the new Burnley owners though, and dealing with this board might test his patience.

That post wasn’t even worth reading once, never mind three times.

I will add that I’m sticking by my prediction that we’ll survive by being less shit than Southampton, Bournemouth and Forest. Somehow, some way.

Let’s hope so and we can have another pre season mini ToffeeWeb get together with Inchy and co In Minneapolis

After him, somebody who can organize and is tactically aware such as Pocchetino but again we wouldn't appear attractive to him in our present position.

Can't see any reason why Postecoglou would leave Celtic until they are officially crowned Champions or with them being in the Champions League because of it but he did leave the Australian national team when they had just qualified for the World Cup and his first job at Brisbane showed he is not a man to be messed with as some former Premier League players didn't see why they had to train and his response was that in that case he didn't see why they should play or be payed. And he has been a winner in Oz, Japan and Scotland as well as with the Socceroos.

But I'm sorry, I'd be very disappointed if the best we can do is Sean Dyche and all of which just sums up to where this Board has led our great club. I have no confidence in them getting it right the 7th(?) time around despite, as always, hoping that whoever is appointed does succeed.

"I am an American who years ago picked Everton to support for reasons I will not disclose now."

I'm sorry, are we now supposed to beg and plead for you to share this incredibly crucial information? Give me a break.

Also, I'm glad you deduced the board has issues (several whole years ago!). We're lucky to have Nostradamus posting on here.

Add me to the list of fellow Americans embarrassed by this post.

I'll admit when I saw Michaels's first post before the two repetitions, I found myself thinking of Begby from Trainspotting and “Who the fuck are you?”

Just bizarre to get some pompous nobody coming on here nullifying fans' voices. Even Rafa, who I didn't want, I supported because he was the Everton manager and I'm an Everton fan – ergo, if he does well, Everton do well.

But I guess the bedsit brigade with their tin foil hats would rather see the whole club go up in flames so they can say, “I told you so!”

I know, mate – the suspense is killing me as to why Michael supported Everton.

Was he put in witness protection after Heysel and felt bad about the Euro ban?

Did Inchy give him an overly generous tip as a waiter at Waffle House?

Is he color blind and can only see blue?

The drama is killing me I'm so fascinated to learn his story that I'm willing to tell everyone else to shut the hell up just so I can learn from his studies.

While I disagree with most of what Michael has written, he does have a point about all those wanting Frank 12 months ago, recently calling for the guy to be fired, and blaming the board for hiring him.

I would also question how many times your fore mentioned “intelligent” USA blues posters have been to Goodison, or even to watched them play in the USA.

This is a time to unite, not divide.

I wasn’t trying to have a go at US fans for not going to Goodison as I know Jonathan personally and he’s a legit fan and I watched Everton in America with him while Jamie went to Baltimore, while Mike has been to Goodison. What I object to is this bloke telling us that anyone who supported Frank should shut the hell up and never be heard of again whilst trying to create some mystery as to his undisclosed reasons for supporting the club. This is a forum for fans so whilst we might disagree his statement that anyone who supported Frank should never speak again is absurd and offensive. Since he doesn’t even state his reason for supporting the club and seeks attention by shrouding it in mystery, whilst telling the majority of the fan base they’re not entitled to talk, I think it’s reasonable to question his credentials to tell fans what they can and can’t do.

They won't be a young manager with ambitions for a top level career. They'd have to be mad to come here. That's the 'Frank' category. I think he fell in love with the idea of restoring this great club and giving this set of fans something to unite behind. No-one will be so naive again now he's shown the pitfalls.

They won't be a manager with a proven record of any kind of success. Again, why Everton? At best it will take many years to turn this club around. The very best they can hope for is long term pain and suffering. I think they'll say no thankyou to any offer.

The only type I can see are the 'merry go round' types. I assume they have a big mortgage, many privately educated kids from a string of ex wives, and a current young girlfriend who likes shiny objects. They'll come because we'll pay well.

It's not exactly stirring stuff but I don't see anything but an uninspiring old school manager. And maybe that's enough. Football clubs shouldn't be this dependent on a good first team coach to bail out the entire organisation. Just get someone who can get the basics right at coaching level.

It can only be a 6 month hire. Then the next hire can be tailored for the job at hand from June 2023 onwards. By then we might be a different club... maybe even under different stewardship.

Ernie, frightening but true. This next appointment will made by the same person(s) who have completely screwed this club from top to bottom.

I found ToffeeWeb sometime in the late '90s and have been reading it ever since. Not sure I've ever posted but love reading all the comments – it's kept me going throughout the years including 15 years working in China.

Not sure what inspired me to post today, perhaps the imminent sense of doom this season seems to have about it. Anyways, Frank had to go – it was obvious to most of us. Absolutely no idea who would be a good fit to replace him given the state of things behind the scenes.

I tend to think a short-term 6 month appointment to some hard bastard to keep us in the Premier League regardless of the style of footy is probably the way. No way should Rooney be considered, especially after what's just happened with Lampard.

I don't have much faith in Moshiri and co making the right choice but we gotta hope for the best!

Let's line up the next poor soul aiming for the managerial waste bag whilst the real cause of the problem sits smiling, crying sometimes, and brimming with self content in the Main Stand.

Meanwhile, we sit and stand in despair.

I was cautious about the appointment of Lampard and was never convinced. I watch enough of Everton to have seen his tactical limitations. The players looked confused a lot of the time.

I'll be honest, towards the end of the season and through most of this one, I didn't care or haven't cared who was in the dugout. My energy was on the team and almost on the pitch if I could have been.

Right now I just want those players to take control and turn this around. In a rudderless ship, they need to take personal responsibility and stop feeling sorry for themselves. Leaders to step up to the mark in the absence of leadership around them.

We've sacked another manager. We'll hire another one. Repeat cycle.

Like many, even me, the big dreamer and optimist; I'm so angry with my club right now.

But like us all, I'll there next time out.

A very succinct article in the Guardian today that acknowledges Franks failings but clearly identifies where the real problems lie, that still need fixing for anything to change.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2023/jan/23/sacking-lampard-was-the-right-decision-but-evertons-woes-don't-end-there

Easy and obvious targets for supporters and the press.

But it doesn't hide the real cause. Those who are failing hide behind a manager in an act of self preservation because they can.

Maybe they won't be able to for much longer now that the nationals are onto them.

So, who should Mr Moshiri have hired after getting rid of that fat Spanish guy? I do recall there was pretty strong backing from our fanbase for Mr Lampard to get the job, not 100% by any means, but a sizeable proportion of the fans. Mr Moshiri listened to the fans. So does that mean the fans have to accept some responsibility as well? Hardly, fans aren’t in a position to take any responsibility. So wise words from the fanbase about managerial issues then and now are apparently just for entertainment value.

We are now hunting for another manager and ToffeeWeb has many wise suggestions. Personally I haven’t a clue who would be a wise choice. Mr Moshiri has a history with Everton of apparently choosing the wrong one …… is it seven times now? But he is the majority shareholder and like in any company, the majority shareholder will decide the big issues and who sits on his board of Directors. If he decides to sell up, let’s hope, will a new owner and new board make these players pass the ball any better, shoot any straighter. I wish I wish.

Personally I feel a bit sorry for Mr Lampard who is an honest, open man, unlike many of the foreign manager crowd who now dominate what is laughably called the ENGLISH Premier League. We will have to wait and see whether firing Mr Lampard and getting someone else in, works out for us. Obviously we hope so, but doubt is eating at my insides.

Moshiri will want someone glamorous.

Kenwright will want someone on his speedial.

Thelwell will want neither, and will want someone who will dovetail with him as DoF.

Usmanov vetoing all of he above and forcing Moshiri’s decisions.

There will be disagreement, falling out, dither and inaction. Followed by a frustrated Moshiri making another mistake.

This has to stop. There has to be clarity of direction and confidence in decision making.

Moshiri and Kenwright need to get out of the way and give Kevin Thelwell the final say. If there’s any chance of a coherent strategy it has to be built from the footballing side has to be built on a teamwork basis.

We have to stop the club fighting itself from within. We need to move forward on a clearer path.

Moshiri has limited football acumen , Kenwright has failed to deliver over many years, is the past and now needs to step away.

Let go. Give the DoF the reigns, the responsibility to appoint who he sees fit and see how he gets on.

Right now, I don't care who the next lamb to the slaughter is as long as they're not talking to Allardyce. Someone please tell me they are not.

I just want the team to pick themselves up, play with confidence and get points on the board. I'll be there with them regardless of Billy Smarts' circus going on behind them. I always will be.

As I have repeatedly said, I never thought Frank was cut out for management and I was concerned when we appointed him. But I don't have any ill feeling towards him. I actually feel for him as he really seemed to buy into the club.

Unlike idiots like me who have never known any different since I can remember, the poor man was tricked by those above him and, if I can be slightly critical, failed by the limits of his coaching abilities.

I don't know where Frank goes now. Punditry? Just go and enjoy time with the family? Great player, but I don't see a great coach in him. I wish him well. He tried and done his best. It just wasn't good enough.

But not as bad as those above him.

I think the problems stemmed from those recruiting players, including a DOF, a Chairman and owner. But exactly what say in the matter did the manager actually have? Did Lampard really give the nod to Deli Ali, Maupay or McNeil?

The questions obviously go back much further, Brands and his famous outburst was obviously made because he was carrying the can for the purchases made, not with his blessing.

Walsh and Koeman started the current downward spiral, but the board were kids in a sweet shop burning someone else's money with abandon, like a no limit credit card that was someone else's. The lack of financial management was appalling. For that alone the chairman and board should have been sacked..

The double hit finally came after the multitude of managers who failed to manage the previous set of purchases got the sack. With each new manager the issue snowballed both on and off the pitch, funds dried up, and like dejavu, we started selling the assets, the better players, compounding the problems for each subsequent manager. Until Frank.

A good man, he actually loved being here, but he was saddled with players who aren't good enough and no adequate replacements for those sold. ( Noone has asked the question on just how the club ignored the requirements of profit and sustainability that has resulted in the club being unable to replace ill-fitting players that has created the perfect storm that has truly stuffed up this club. Who is accountable for that?)

Lampard wasn't up to the task, given our situation, it's going to be difficult to find a manager who can get the current squad into some sort of effective unit.

Because we are propping up the division, he rightly lost his job. But the primary reasons for his failure are not just the managers ability, but the decisions to buy and sell made over the last seven years.

Responsibility for failure and where we are today is therefore the combination of incompetence of a board, the role of DoF and the ability of a manager to have a say in who is bought and sold..

Traditionally it was the domain of the manager because he carries the can, but in Evertons case of continual managerial merry go round, one has to surmised the manager has little say in the matter.

The exception was Ancelotti who brought in players because of his reputation, players we would never have got otherwise. Even he, in the end, wanted out. For good reason.

Today the manager has gone, scapegoat yes, to some degree it is, but he, like others before him, could not get a team together to do enough.

But around this, the utter shameful manipulation of the media by the board has, at long last, been laid bare. There is no future for such a board. It's irreparable.

Moshiri has 3 options.

1. Replace the board with competent people.

2. Sell the club.

3. Do nothing and risk everything.

The end game is coming, and it's not on the pitch.

He also seems to have the sympathy of many Evertonians and is walking away with a relatively unscathed reputation despite being shockingly bad at his job.

Let’s hire someone who is an actual manager not a famous name.

Bang on the money. The main criticism I hear of this site is that the overwhelming majority of posts are from the same group of people. Yes I'm guilty too. But when you see a regular poster trying to flexing muscles he simply doesnt have in order to shout down a lesser known voice. You get a clear understanding as to why that is.

The guys is told to go and find some "other random sports team, from some other random country"

Micheal kinda oversteps the mark as many of us do on here. He says he doesnt want to hear from Lampard supporters. A bit like saying "I don't want to hear from Kenwright, Moshiri, Sharp, DBB supporters" - Althought those posts usually carry far more anger. I've even heard there is a grumpy arl bastard on here who doesnt want to hear from Carlo fans.

"An attention seeking, pompous nobody, living in a bedsit, who's years of support amount to no more than a "fleeting "interest"...Thats some profile to build from a single post.

I cant help imagining the Brian Ferry song - "I'm in with the in crowd" was blasting through the head phones as that was being typed out.

I would imagine that any infrequent or new poster thinking of diving into the TW pool would read that, turn around and put his kit back on

"BTW how many times have you been to Goodison ?"...Dear me

Dyche would come in, try and get things going, but would be met by a group of players, who haven’t got much heart or will, right now.

Bielsa, would just fucking kill them.

The club is full of nepotistic poison, and whilst this continues, most players will do what most footballers do. They will pretend to be working hard, and blame somebody else, and if you wan to blame somebody else, just get yourself to Everton, because it’s rotten to the absolute core, and full of self-preservationists.

I'm not sure what you mean.

These managers were all being paid in excess of 5m. Are you saying they all meekly accepted that they would have to play players they didnt want ? Have their own plans hindered ? That they agreed to thIs?

We've been managed by some very outspoken people, why do you think none of them has spoken out about this practice ? Even after they left

Were they 100% compliant ? Did they not speak out because the hand that was feeding them was feeding them better than any other hand before and after their stint at this club ?

I feel there was a touch of the Graeme Sharps in all of them. They took the money and shut up

I'm sure there are some really good people behind the scenes at the club but unfortunately that's where they are - behind the scenes. The public face of the club from top to bottom is just a mockery.

I personally have no idea who will actually end up as our manager and can only speculate as to who could and would want to do the job, but in times like this - and we have had 12 or13 such instances in the last 10 years - I do wonder who the players, when discussing the situation among themselves, think they might see doing a genuinely decent job.

Are they allowed an opinion?

Nothing hypocritical in my post. I even refer to may self as a guilty party and if you hadnt guessed. I am also the grumpy arl bastard.

Danny is a regular poster and as with most of the regular posters we kind of know each others views on most things. He as accustomed himself to the lay of the TW land. He gives as good as he gets. He is clearly not as offended as you as he is keen to meet up for a bevy..There is no way on this earth anybody would stop Danny airing his views.

There is a very real difference to putting down a point with somebody you regularly debate with and hammering not just the views, but the personality of somebody you dont know..That post may as well have said "We dont hold with your sort around here"

As I said. Micheal overstepped the mark and like I also said.I`ve doen it myself. I have all but lost the will to argue with Carlo supporters...Almost. I think you have overstepped the mark too. The difference being. I recognise it

If you think that response will entice fresh ideas from people who may have a lot to offer debate on here. I dont have anything to say that`ll change your mind

I think for the first time ever I don't have an opinion on who we should or could get, and because of where we are I would imagine the list of possible candidates will be very small. Listening to all the different outlets it could be Bielsa, Dyche, Rooney with Ferguson, and also a couple of left field choices. Again we have sacked a manager without having the next manager lined up. I read the other week that the Brighton owner Tony Bloom said that they were aware last year that a couple of the big clubs wanted Potter, so they started their search for a new manager last season.
They wanted someone who had the same philosophy as Potter so there would be a seamless change. So when they gave Chelsea permission to speak to Potter they had already had talks with De Zerbi, so he was installed very quickly after Potter left. Brighton are still playing the same way still very comfortably placed in the Premier League.
Their scouting system is second to non both for players and managers, so maybe the mantra for all Premier league clubs should be.
What would Brighton do in this position.

I firstly meant to respond to Christine's fine post. But I have little else to add as your 3 point ending summary captures it Christine. Moshiri has to decide where he wants to take this ship.

We all come on here to voice opinion. Sometimes we go over the top, especially in emotive moments. We are all guilty, me included. It would be the same in a pub where you fallout with and call your best mate and fellow Evertonian a dickhead but then head home together.

Darren, we'll have that drink at some point. You can nark at me and I'll give you a man hug.

Me, my brother and son once had a heated debate over Everton in a Gelsenkirchen hotel bar after a Schalke match a couple of seasons back. As I've said before and my more sensible brother said at the time, only Evertonians can argue amongst each other about the one thing they love.

I'm keeping a keen eye on Kompany but Everton right now would be the absolute wrong choice for him.

We are an Everton community. Those of us that discuss, argue, fall out on here and meet at the match know and understand that. We're all big boys and girls who want the same thing.

In response to why Everton? I have no explanation as I have never known different since I can remember. Honestly, my first memory in life was stood outside my Grandfather's house on Arkles Lane in my very first Everton kit next to my cousin in his Liverpool one. He's now a Chelsea supporter of many years. I still have the photo, which I like to remind him of.

I got asked last night by Mrs Danny who I loved the most. It's been a reoccurring question over the years. Always a tricky one. I used to say it's just different. These days I just stay quiet.

I can't answer that one. It's just different.

As T.S. Eliot wrote, “to be cured, your sickness must grow worse”.

First lets become hard to play against especially at Goodison. Clean sheets have to take priority, be organised and stop making errors that cost us goals.

Lets get the ball into the opponents box from wide areas be more direct and get DCL on the pitch more alongside a strike partner.

Lets just get basic things across and working well. Basics should not be beyond the squad we have as I don't see them having much more than that.

Who we should bring in to drag this out of the players I have no idea but we pray its the right choice for once.

Now we must choose the right person. As far as I am concerned, Bielsa is the man. With Rooney we will be relegated.

Bielsa will require the mercenaries to run and he will have no problem removing them from the team. He is also risky and works the offensive system unlike Lampard who does not understand that to win you have to score goals.

I think there was a poll at the time on here. What I do remember is that there was a real groundswell of opinion favouring Frank. I also remember people being delighted he was appointed.

Michael has a point. A lot of the people who were celebrating his appointment are now pointing the finger at the board.
Many of the people celebrated the appointment of our Italian manager are now complaining about bad managerial appointments.
Even if we confine the debate to TW alone. I can remember huge numbers praising "Tell it like it is" Koeman.

Moshiri made two deeply unpopular appointments when he hired Sam ad Rafa and there was a genuine backlash But there are a lot of people pointing fingers at him for appointments they applauded at the time...They cant have it both ways.

The current school of thought which suggest's all managers are doomed and nobody can do anything at this club, or with this team, is going to be severely tested if the next manager comes in and steers us to safety

Now we are reading more about the Doucoure bust up and a toxic dressing room, it seems maybe Lampard was too nice to get a tune out of this bunch of players?! As well as someone more tactically adept, we need someone in who will not stand for any nonsense from the squad and be a real hardcase when needs be.

Would love to see what would happen if Doucoure mouthed off at someone like Big Dunc, as he is said to have done at Lampard. He wouldn't know what hit him! Maybe he should focus on improving his game and actually playing well if that's his gripe- then managers would pick him.

Can't see Bielsa working out if we get him - he is a good manager granted but our lot are too unfit to play the way he will want too. Will only end in disaster at this point in the season.

I am well documented as being:

1. On the fence with Frank. Never convinced or bought in.
2. Disappointed with the appointment of Benitez.
3. Excited at Ancellotti - hindsight tells us wrong person for the wrong club.
4. Concerned at Marco Silva although I though we should have given him more time. Doing well at Fulham.
5. Allardyce. I'll leave it there.
6. Koeman. Hoodwinked into thinking the player I watched as a kid would become a great manager.
7. Martinez. Initial thoughts were just say no.

We are going through managers like a butcher at Christmas with Turkeys.

As I keep saying, I really don't care who the next one is right now, because, let's face it, with our track record, it will only be a short term appointment.

I just want the team to get results.

Bielsa on the other hand would be an interesting proposition but given the lack of “up and down” players at the club and the fact that he’d need a full pre-season to get the players up to his level of fitness, I think he’d be a disastrous appointment.

Conclusion, you can only choose from the limited options available and though we might not have chosen a particular manager, we’ve just got to get on with it and support him while in post. So Dyche for me because the now takes precedence over the future as things stand.

By the way, anyone thinking that relegation could be a good opportunity for the club to re-set is misguided in my opinion. Pre PL days, as in Man. Ute’s case, it was possible to bounce back with only a few bruises but the loss of Sky money and sponsorship could be a one way road to oblivion.

We need an experienced hand in charge now Lampard was too green for the job and inexperienced. It was too big an ask.

Bielsa with a championship squad finished above Ancelotti's Everton. Ancelotti was given 63 million net to spend which was the third highest in our history. Koeman spent 75 million net when he took us to seventh. Silva got 66 million net the season he finished eighth. Ancelotti's 63 million net produced a tenth place finish.

Conversely Bielsa had a bunch of journeymen, many of whom like Bamford had failed in the Premier League before, and players like Dallas and Cooper who were never deemed good enough until the twilight of their careers.

Ancelotti had a world class keeper, two top international full backs, decent Premier League quality centre halves and top frontmen like Richarlison and Calvert Lewin. Ancelotti was lucky to have Dominic fit as in the five games without him he picked up five points which was similarly dismal as the last two wallies. He was tasked with sorting out the midfield and brought three players, two of which were allegedly world class according to the Maestro.

All three have had to be smuggled out the back door and Allan's ejection from the team last season was a major factor in our survival. Did the 'best defensive midfielder in the world' leave us for Barcelona or City, no he went to Al Wahda. The other James had his contract terminated by Al Rayann. Doucoure will be gone this window also.

Surely those who believe Ancelotti was some sort of success should be advocating for Moyes who finished four places and six points above him with a slightly weaker squad. Or Bielsa who finished above him with a much inferior squad. Or Dean Smith who finished a place below with a one man team.

That is where we have failed in the last ten years, selling the few quality players we have had and buying replacements of poor physical and/or mental quality.

Joe - BBC and others suggesting Bielsa, Dyche or Rooney in the frame. I feel another / a continuing screw-up.

The current DOF should have to report to him. They should then decide on who the new manager should be. All current Board members along with the Owner should be side lined from the process.

Now, where were we?

For 36 years.

We can keep blaming managers all we want but the cause is deeper than Ancelotti, Moyes or Lampard.

Do we want cold, calculated, passing football with this bunch? Or, do we want blood and thunder, passionate football with our dimwitted, slow moving players?

His win ratio at Everton was second only to HK1 and the team was within 3 points of a European spot going into the last game of the season - we’d all dream of that now. He was written off by some as over the hill and only here for the money, but then made a mockery of these claims by winning La Liga (his 5th league title in 5 countries) and the Champions League (his 4th overall) the very next season.

Bielsa might be right for Everton given our lowly position. He will make the team fast, high energy and intense. But, frankly there is no comparison between him and Ancelotti - 21 top trophies for Ancelotti compared to the Copa Del Rey runner-up and English Championship winner for Bielsa. Let’s be serious for a moment.

Bielsa was sacked into his second season in the Premiership with Leeds when they were 16th February. Like Dyche, he got sacked for a reason and it was results - the same reason as Lampard’s sacking.

Also you would probably only get till the end of the season if relegated which looks very likely. Yes you would get a few bob in compensation but is it worth all the hassle. While Moshiri makes the decisions things wont improve, you would think by now he would have learned a little about running a football club. But the truth is he has never been interested in the job but had to do what his boss told him to do, and now having to do it without the financial backing of his boss makes life a lot harder.

I am sure Usmanov is working very hard behind the scenes to extricate him and Moshiri from the financial mess they have got into. I suspect that they will be looking for a buyer for the club, and if thats not possible then sell the ground to a 3rd party who can do what the owners of the Ricoh Arena did to Coventry. And given how much we are in debt we may end up like Derby and drop more than 1 division before we can get things back on a more stable financial footing.

I know where the responsibility lies and I new where it lay before He got here 6 years or so ago and I have banged the drum against Kenwright as long as anyone on here.

That doesnt mean to say I don't expect anything from our managers who earn more than 99 % of the other managers around the world.

If my post implied that I believe anyone who posts criticism or blame at the managers OR the board, are wrong. Then I pitched it right. I definitely think they are wrong.

I don't think this is an either/or situation, Karen. The board have been a shambles for years and every single manager has took the money and gone along with it. So have the players...Accountability left this club decades ago

Maybe it is partially our fault after all. Maybe we should have refused to be emotionally blackmailed and withdrawn our support for this shite years ago. and the only way we can find our way back, is to re-introduce it

It would have been painful for all of us, but we wouldnt be where we are now

I think you know I meant Knew with a K, but the edit time had lapsed before I noticed it

Our pursuit of him was pathetic and embarrassing and was the beginning of the end. It's all water under the bridge now but the red lights were already flashing and I for one chose to ignore them.

The reason we are in the mess currently is because the last manager who had huge investment and no outgoings failed miserably, and the club have had to spend most of the Richarlison kitty on the area Ancelotti was tasked to fix.

Previously you put up that ridiculous stat and I tore it apart then. But just to repeat Ancelotti was one of the few managers who wasn't sacked so his job had not yet become untenable skewing those figures. Compare Martinez first eighteen months to Ancelotti's and Martinez blows him out of the water.

Again you argue how close he was to Europe. That only tells you how the big clubs all failed to deal with their intense Covid schedule. Moyes West Ham finished in Europe, Bielsa's Leeds finished above him and Smiths Villa not far behind. These teams had a similar schedule to Everton. We finished so close due to the unique conditions of that season.

The rest of your argument as usual talks about what a great career Ancelotti had which nobody disputes but unfortunately we are talking about Everton.But in fairness to you as someone who was against Ancelotti's appointment and advocated Pochettino or Arteta and believes it was a failed experiment which has set the club back, I must agree with you in the position we are currently in I would definitely take Carlo right now as eeking enough points to stay up is everything and his nous and bit of Savvy may get us over the line.

Incidentally last season with Barcelona having to sell all their players and were in a total mess Real had a penalty kick. I put my money where my mouth is and I had my biggest bet for five years that Barca will win the league at 6-4. I have no doubts I will be collecting.

For a new manager. When you look around at all the top premier league managers the likes of the Potters, Klopps, Conte's and other top managers they all started at the bottom and built strong organized teams, and were most probably allowed mistakes. We need one of these types of managers who are ready for the next step from having started at the bottom and built strong organized teams.

Any manager we bring in will not have any time to bring in the type of player he wants, he will have to go with what he has got. What we need is a manager that can turn what we have into a structured team with a game plan that works, not necessary the one he wants, but one that will suit the players we have.

I understand we are critical of them at times, but we do have some decent players they just need to be organized.

Rebuilding is out of the Question we are in the need for survival, and that means we need a manager who is willing to survive to be given the chance to rebuild. We don't need a proven manager who is just coming for a pay off.

I live in North America, and the clue to why I support Everton, The street I was born in " Broadway one end Littlewoods the other end "

Hopefully the clueless, and we all know who they are, manage to get it right for once and pick the correct manager.

But, Conor took the bait as expected.

He was a Koeman signing. At least infers Sigurdsson was a Walsh. Doesn't go into who had Wayne signed, other than he was excited to be playing with him.

It's all done and dusted now, but still an interesting perspective from someone immediately affected by managerial changes.

He is frank about going from a life in the Ajax system as opposed to England's Premier League.

Also interesting to me is how the Club put it about that Vlasic forced his move out as opposed to Klaassen stating that he, Sandro, and Vlasic were brought in by Allardyce and told they weren't going to play, so go find a club and they could leave.

And he spoke well of Silva.

A good read:

Davy Klaassen exclusive: ‘Everton signed me, Rooney and Sigurdsson. I thought, “What is this?”'

Thanks for being a long-time reader – we know there are an awful lot of you out there who read the site without posting, and that's just fine... unless perhaps you really want to post but are put off by the nasty bullies in the playground who are going to jump on your every word and beat you to a pulp.

That's my job! — No, just kidding... As you can see on this thread, the slightest offhand comment can trigger a welter of pompous gesturing and soapbox preaching from those who are indeed holier than thou — in our case are the "Better Evertonians".

Just so you know who they are, we're going to introduce an Everton Means Test which will allow us to assign a unique ToffeeWeb Blue Star rating and allocate a number of allowed posts per day, based on individual Everton credentials. Questions will include:

Can you even see Goodison Park from where you live?
What did you say to Graeme Sharp last time you spoke to him?
Do you have a tab behind the counter at the Goodison Super Bar?
From how many Everton away games have you been physically ejected?
Have you ever been caught "bunking-in"?
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Do you remember seeing Bill Kenwright as a scally in the Boys Pen?
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What is the chessiest item with an EFC logo in your possession?

And many many more. questions to test your Everton mettle. Woe betide any posters who fall short.

Micheal is simply laying down TW law, Best adhere to them or he will show you the yellow card. but please understand that saying anything nasty about Tom Davies (or any of our academy boys) is a criminal offence.

Doesnt matter whether you live in Dunedin or China, Break this law and you will be hunted down. You will be extradited and You will be brought to justice.

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Playing into the hands of the real culprits.

It started in 1987 in my lifetime and it wasn't Colin Harvey's fault. Some of an older generation will go back to selling Alan Ball and the break up of the 1970 title winning team.

Blame Ancelotti all you want. This situation has been decades in the making because of the way the club has been run.

1) Criminal ineptitude.
2) Deliberately planned

I’m actually contemplating number two. This is Bills “fuck you” to the fans. A sinister stab in the back as he saw the tide turning. Gordon and Onana being pushed out (just like Rooney was before him) and I’d hazard a bet it was us that sat on Danjuma forms for 10 days too.

His risk is negligible financially, and Moshiri is too far away and too trusting to see the snake for what it is. He’ll be kiboshing any manager at all for the next week, and I’d be surprised if we appoint or sign anyone before the deadline. We’ll then get Rooney and/or Duncan in with the panto of saviours.

The balance sheet will look £100m better with Gordon, Onana, Keane, Holgate and Doucoure gone. Wouldn’t be surprised to see DCL gone too if a bid comes in. We go down, Moshiri can’t finish the stadium, a new investor comes in (but Bill keeps his shares) and Moshiri sells both the club and stadium for peanuts.

If the Phoenix rises he’ll still have his shares. If it doesn’t, welllllll it was all that mad Iranian geezers fault….hey “did you know it was really laundered for putin?”

Sounds like a fooking novel…..but anyone who reads this and dismisses it has not been paying attention at all.

I hope it is Blood brothers he is going watching at the Royal court and not heading to Finch farm.

For the record and being hilariously pedantic, it is super, but it’s the Goodison Supper Bar. Oh, it feels good to jump all over a spelling mistake, I’ll be walking tall for the rest of the day.

And yes, I think we are all going mental. If a crouton is floating in tomato soup, it’s going to taste a bit like tomato soup.

If all of the rumours are to be believed it seems the club are trying to balance the books and plan on the unthinkable.

Well fuck them. I can't think the unthinkable and won't do so.

I was at West Ham on Saturday and again, you could see manager and players were not connected and team lacked confidence.

I don't like the "told you so" narrative, but I think if you look at Frank's track record, you would struggle to see him as a top coach or manager. Okay, maybe he got unlucky at Chelsea, but to counter that view, look at the players he had at his disposal. The same squad that went on to win the Champions League under Tuchel.

Now there's a name, but no chance he would consider us right now.

I tell you what is funny though Christy is when the likes of yourself and Danny blew smoke up Carlo's arse and hailed players like as Allan as world class. When the shit hits the fan on his disastrous spell then suddenly it goes back to 1987 for the mess we are in.

When Arteta came into Arsenal the common perception on Tofffeeweb was that we had a superior squad to them. Look at every player the Spaniard has signed. He had to fight Edu to get Ramsdale and he was laughed at by every pundit for forking out 30 million on him. He along with Edu has built them piece by piece with a clear coherent vision. When I mentioned what was happening previously to Danny he told me that it was only because I loved Arteta and couldn't see what I was talking about. The proof is now in the pudding.

Where I differ from most of our fans is that they see managers like Moyes and Martinez as failures. We have no divine right to win anything. In the Premier League Era only Leicester and Wigan upset the apple cart in minor miracles where the Gods smiled on them as in most other years their Herculean efforts may have been left unrewarded. If the Gods had smiled on us Martinez would have brought an FA Cup to our cabinet room.

Our owner who allegedly has put his money where his mouth is had spent a total of 310 million net, a fifth of which backed Ancelotti. Chelsea have spent more than that this window. Put in the best chairman, best board, best manager possible and we in all likelihood won't be winning trophies pretty soon. Look at Tottenham as a template.

We of course are a badly run club from top to bottom, especially since that clown Moshiri set foot in the building but those expecting a change in leadership to bring back the glory days are living in cloud cuckoo land. Man City got some of the richest people in the world on board, ran the club like a dream from top to bottom and still took them the guts of a decade before the fruits of their labour was borne.

We can all dream but our only priority now should be staying in the division by any means necessary.

Regarding your 1987 jibe, I watch Everton a lot (some say too much) and when I analyse it, the lack of investment in the club over decades has led us to where we are now in my opinion. Not a series of managers who's average life span over the past several years has been 12 months.

The dark days of the 90s when the not too distant champions very nearly got relegated twice on the last day of the season. 36 years? By the second time in 1998, it had only been 11.

Being hypnotised into accepting mediocracy as success under the Kenwright-Moyes coalition.

Irresponsibly throwing money at a problem but spending it like someone who has just won on the roulette wheel in a Las Vegas hotel and walking down the strip throwing dollar bills into the air.

There are many factors. Some, will target managers, even individual ones. I'm now more looking at how the club has been run. It comes from the top.

1987? Some would go back further. Apart from Howard's ray of sunshine that put us back and gave us a potential platform to build on, the 70s and early 80s were not an easy ride.

Can you even see Goodison Park from where you live?

No – Australia is a bit too far away.

What did you say to Graeme Sharp last time you spoke to him?

I have never met him – so nothing

Do you have a tab behind the counter at the Goodison Super Bar?

No

From how many Everton away games have you been physically ejected?

None – even though I was drunk and disorderly at quite few of them

Have you ever been caught "bunking-in"?

Never caught but I remember my dad lifting me over the Goodison Rd turnstiles

Do you have a programme from the 2016 4th Round League Cup tie vs Norwich City?

No

Do you remember seeing Bill Kenwright as a scally in the Boys Pen?

No – if he was in there he wasn’t one of the lads climbing up the cyclone wire

Have you ever said anything nasty about Tom Davies?

Maybe ??

Have you ever said anything nice about Frank Lampard?

Yes but does it count because I never wanted him in the first place and called for his sacking after Bournemouth week.

What is the chessiest item with an EFC logo in your possession?

See attached picture

Link

Up the Blues!!!

If you strike out Howard's managerial period post Oxford to winning his second Championship, the past 50 years have been very poor with very few good times, it's been downhill since Alan Ball was allowed to leave.