Ipswich retain interest in signing Simms

I hope he'll be a star for us in 2 years or even sooner. Keep him.

Need to give him canon and Branthwaite the chance - got to be better or no worse than Maupay Holgate and Keane 🤷

This is a shame, I was hoping he would have been given more opportunities, a bit of a theme with many of our players. But he's English, so i'd like to think we would tell the Tractor boys or the Mackems 15 million, Brighton and Liverpool don't sell cheap, and sick of us doing, so. Gordon being the exception when we actually managed to pull another teams pants down.

The fee, quoted as being too high, is just ridiculous considering his potential and as you say, Joe, the price he would be commanding if he played for Brighton or Liverpool. Absolutely criminal if we fall for this rubbish.

Or is it a famous case of "If they're not banging 'em in at 16, it ain't neva gonna happen"?

You can’t blame Ipswich for thinking £3.5M is too high, they bought Broadhead off us for half that fee and I think Broadhead is much better than Simms, although I think Ipswich got Broadhead far too cheaply.

Everton are the back to front club or have been, buying players for far too much and giving them long contracts then selling far too cheaply and hastily.

Hopefully things are starting to change except for the one change we are all waiting for that’s two days overdue already!

I've generally assumed he'd be worth about £6m because his contract is up in June 2024.

£3.5m does seem very low for someone who you'd safely assume will get 15+ goals in the Championship over a full season.

There's a good chance he'll end up at either Coventry or Swansea to replace either of Gyokeres or Piroe, particularly if we buy either player.

He's proven to me he'd be a good championship striker so I'd value him at about £15M.

He's not ready to be a regular Premier League starter, but he's certainly progressing and worth keeping.

I've seen less of Cannon but I'd argue he's a better all round player than Simms but Simms is a more Dyche style striker.

Sadly I'm sure we will lose both players for less than £5M before wasting £15M on someone of equal ability.

Kevin Thelwell: Boss, I've sold Simms to Ipswich for peanuts.

Bill Kenwright: Why'd you do that?

KT: You sent me a memo, 'Sell another striker, cheaply!'

BK: Damn! I meant 'Buy another striker, cheaply!' I always get them two muddled up.

Ellis has always banged goals in but some attribute it to him being a big lad for his age and therefore bullying defenders.

I feel he needs to bulk up a bit more and improve his heading ability and hold up play but nobody can question the way he rounded Koulibaly and scored a beaut.

I would have hoped good coaching under Dyche would turn all that promise into a good Premiership player but I trust Dyche to get this right and hope the "new board" don't sell him cheap.

Recalling him from Sunderland as he was establishing himself there was really unhelpful for Simms.

I’d reckon best thing would be a two year contract extension and then send him back to championship.

Loan him to a mid table team and if he can bang in 15-20 goals then next summer we either bring him back or sell him for £10-15m.

Of if anyone is happy to pay £6m+ for him now then take it. Dyche doesn’t fancy him so not sure he’ll get the chances at Everton.

Typical of Everton to sell one of the few strikers we have while the main striker is more often than not out injured. Now, when did this last happen? Oh, hang on, we've got Maupay. Phew, nearly started panicking there.

I agree with Sam contact extension and another loan would be the best thing for Everton.
If we are going to sell him now to get much needed funds we need to add a low buy back fee or a 50% of next transfer fee over the original price we sell him for just in case he goes for big money in the future

It's probably more in Simms's court isn't it?

He's 22 now, didn't get games when we were crying out for a striker, and so will presumably have realised he doesn't have a future at Everton. It even looks like he might have been overtaken by Cannon as our most likely youth striker.

Not sure then why he'd sign a contract extension. His career looks much better served by dropping down to the Championship and getting a lot of games.

No way for that price. Give him a chance or farm him out on loan again. He's shown he can take on a defender and strike well on the highest level.

Ideally, we would hope to get £10 to 12 Million for Simms. But his recall from Sunderland to rot on our bench for 5 months (his Chelsea goal notwithstanding) was really a shot to our own feet. (Thanks but no thanks, Frank!). IMHO, it would cost a knock-down of 40% on the fee. So, we would be lucky if we can get £6 to 8 Million for him now.

One of the biggest reasons that Ipswich got promoted (and had the money to get Broadhead from us) is that they have a competent and ambitious ownership in place. When they looked at Simms's market price of £6 to 8 Million, it is conceivable that they would sniff around with a half-price bid to begin with (hence the reported £3 Million+).

IMHO, Simms might top out in between a dominating striker in Championship and a serviceable one in Premier League. With only 12 months left on his contract, if Thelwell can get anywhere more than £5 Million for him by the end of July, I would be happy.

Knowing us, we will sell Simms, who scored 1 Premier League goal, and buy Weghorst, who scored 0 Premier League goals and played far more minutes and for a much better team!

We cant sell him while we have Maupay and DCL as other options. Is anyone else surprised that we haven't signed Ross Barkley yet? He'd walk straight into our midfield wouldnt he?

Dan@17 to be fair Captain Sir Tom Moore would walk straight into our midfield!

I predict we'll be asking "whatever happened to the Simms money?" on a regular basis...

Ipswich can have Maupay.

Having watched Simms this season, I am not convinced he is good enough to play for us. He wins nothing in the air and has a very poor first touch. The result is that, as a lone striker, the ball comes back at us far too quickly.

His strength is apparent when he can get a run at a defender or moving onto the ball, as happened once v Chelsea. Playing how most Premier League sides do, with one up front does not suit his limited skill set.

We have to bolster our attack with a like-for-like Calvert-Lewin cover and/or others who can do the job and play wide in a front 3 (like Richarlison did). These aren't easy to find but, if we are to score goals, it is the type of striker we need.

Gyökeres fits the latter description. Not sure who we look at for the former. And I hear good things about Cannon but haven't seen him.

The idea that, because Simms is a striker, we must keep him, would be okay if he was the type of player who fitted our way of playing.

I really want Simms to make it with us. Dyche should have played him every time over Maupay last season; the fact he didn't speaks volumes. However, off the back of what I have seen, my view is he isn't going to cut it in the Premier League, not yet anyway.

Given he has 1 year left on his contract and the amount of moving around he's done already, it makes sense for us to get some dollar and for him to find regular first-team football. He will no doubt carve a good career for himself in the Championship. I think Cannon will be a cut above Simms after one more season.

We should be looking for at least £5-6M. I would like us to use him as bait to get Gyökeres, it's probably the only way we can get ahead of Brentford in signing him. Coventry are on the up and it would be a good move for both parties. Or Sunderland as part of the Clarke deal.

I was born and raised in Suffolk and a lot of my mates are Ipswich fans, they rave about Nathan Broadhead and can't believe they got him for the price they paid. Genuinely they called him "Bergkamp"! 'Gushing' is the word I would use to describe their praise of him. Another (like Robinson) who we let go naively and cheaply.

I can't for the life of me understand what people see in Simms.

Nothing against the lad but, one sublime run past Koulibaly and a finish that Kepa should have saved apart, I've seen nothing to make me believe the lad can be the answer to our striker problems. Happy to be proved wrong!

Ray (24) and others. I agree. Simms has shown ability to score goals in a team able to control 50% of possession.

In a team which is often required to get by on less than 30%, his all-round game is insufficient to help the team counter-attack effectively.

Agree with the above. I'm not writing him off but I haven't seen anything from him that makes me think he can make it at the top level.

Sorry if that comes across a little blunt but I'd consider a fee north of £5 million.

He's going to play under this young manager, Kieran McKenna.

Turned their season around 2 years ago. This last one, managed them to promotion, leading in GF and GA.

I'll bet Simms is going to enjoy playing for him.

And maybe the Club keeps an eye on McKenna.

Anyone here who says he's not ready knows nothing. No-one knows if he's ready, and that includes the coaching staff.

They may think he's raw but the only way anyone, including the player himself, will know if he's ready is by having a run of games, which could have easily happened this season if Dyche really had big balls. Instead, he relied on stats and law of averages with his persistence of Maupay.

Simms did more against Chelsea than Maupay did in his previous 5 appearances combined and should have been given a run in the side. It didn't happen and won't happen at this club.

If I were any young player in our set-up, I'd get out as soon as possible, because it is clear as day that any young prospect will have no chance playing for us in the near future.

ps: I see Fulham want £30M for Robinson.

My Sunderland mates pledged that Simms' lack of workrate really annoyed them, notwithstanding with the goals. Given similar comments for his time at Blackpool & up North, this might be what he is.

An expiring contract and a club desperate for cash, with an ambitious & aggressive ownership on another end for Ipswich, we might not have as much leverage as we would prefer. If Thelwell can get a single down payment between £6 to £8 Million up front with probable Add-Ons like % of future transfer income (to hedge against future break-out) for Simms, I would be happy.

We've got some promising youngsters who could be in the player range of #16 - #22 (not a starter, not an immediate off the bencher but in the squad or just outside of it):

- Warrington
- Simms
- Cannon
- Dobbin
- Welch
- Gibson

For £4M I'd keep him, assuming he's on a low wage too. We might need bodies as the season goes on!

Ipswich Town have had a £4million bid for Ellis Simms rejected by Everton.

Simms is a target for a number of clubs in this summer's transfer window with Sunderland, Middlesbrough and Stoke City all chasing his signature.

Ipswich are preparing to return to the Championship in 2023-24 and have firmed up their interest in Simms with a formal offer, but it has been turned down by Everton. The Toffees decided to reject the offer despite Simms entering the final year of his contract at Goodison Park.

It is understood that Everton boss Sean Dyche would consider selling Simms this summer if they receive a suitable offer in order to boost his own transfer plans.

The young forward spent the first half of last season on loan at Championship side Sunderland, where he scored 7 goals and assisted twice in 17 appearances.

Looks like we may have had a lucky escape with Gyökeres. Cannon had just as good a goals per Championship games ratio.

Until we stop signing Championship level players and those relegated, then we'll continue to be in relegation battles. It's not rocket science.

Definitely not £4M. That goal against Chelsea alone has showed he can be lethal upfront. He's played and scored in the Championship and he's only 22. £5M for what you've seen and £5M for the potential. £10M is about right.