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Once in each and every season, Everton make the now somewhat longer trip to their first stadium in Anfield Road, where they won their first Football League Championship trophy in 1891. 

Everton's annual pilgrimage to Anfield approaches this weekend, and with it comes the familiar, sickening mix of anticipation and dread. For the uninitiated, this isn't a "friendly" derby; it's a grotesque ritual where the footballing gods conspire against us, a 90-minute exercise in emotional abuse. 

This season, the pre-match buzz has started earlier than usual, perhaps as a desperate attempt to drown out the memory of our baffling failure to score against Aston Villa, a game where we dominated and had 20 efforts on Villa's goal but were denied by a mix of bad luck and our own attacking impotence.

But all of that pales in comparison to the coming injustice. Both Merseyside teams enter this contest unbeaten, but don't be fooled into thinking this will be a fair fight. The script is already written. 

The referee, his VAR henchmen, and the entire corrupt PGMOL apparatus are on a mission to ensure the home side emerges victorious, by any means necessary. We've seen it time and again, with the media, a complicit chorus of sycophants, desperate to spin it as another "great derby win" for the Red half of the city.

The match has been shifted as usual to facilitate the now customary live TV coverage — the last time Liverpool hosted Everton at Anfield in a Premier League match on a Saturday at 3 pm was almost 20 years ago, on 25 March 2006.

At least that will spare all but the bravest of Evertonians the grim experience of being showered with coins, bottles, and other unspeakable objects by the feral animals that masquerade as Liverpool fans. 

That's for those who want to watch this annual televised torture, variously touted as a great local rivalry, a passionate onfield drama, the once 'friendly' derby.

But in truth they are so often horrible games to watch, spoilt by heinous refereeing, disgusting fouls and cowardly punditry that fails to call out the blatant injustices. It's a day spent screaming at the screen, watching our players unfairly booked, their fouls ignored, and every 50-50 decision going the way of the other team.

Who can forget the 2020 Goodison derby, when the thuggish Virgil van Dijk tried to end James Rodriguez's career within 10 minutes? That cynical, unpunished assault — a typical Liverpool foul — neutralised our most creative player, and with him, our nascent title challenge that had seen us going into that game at the top of the Premier League table under Carlo Ancelotti on the back of seven straight wins to start the season?

The pundits, of course, were deafeningly silent. That brilliant, table-topping Everton side was derailed, and we tumbled down the league, mainly because of a moment of brutal, unpunished violence that the media and officials pretended never happened. 

It's a blatant microcosm of our history in this fixture. They injure our players, they get the decisions, and they get away with it all while basking in the glow of a media that has long since sold its soul to the Liverpool narrative.

It's all set to unfold again on Saturday at 12:30 BST on TNT Sports 1. We will watch, we will fume, and we will pray for a miracle that history tells us very rarely comes.

 

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Gary Creaney
1 Posted 15/09/2025 at 12:58:08
I would love to say we now have a team that can go there and sufficiently "compete" and if circumstances were normal, we do have that.

But you just know fine well that we will concede in the 94th minute to a howler of some kind. Or if we manage to take the lead, at least one penalty will be awarded against us.

The RS were as average and flat as you can get against Burnley. Watch them turn into a bunch of rabid dogs on Saturday.

With some luck, Atletico can take a bit out of them during the week.

Laurie Hartley
2 Posted 15/09/2025 at 13:03:57
Well Michael, I have just watched the full 90 of them against Burnley and I won't be feeling any dread going into this game. They are all huff and puff this season.

If Grealish, Ndiaye, and Dewsbury-Hall start and Mykolenko is fit so Garner can move back into midfield all we have to do is keep the ball on the deck and we will run rings round them.

Craig Walker
3 Posted 15/09/2025 at 13:06:38
Brilliant article, as always, Michael. It does just sum up the dread of a derby, especially at their place. I hate it but always have that modicum of hope that we might just get something. It's the hope that kills you. As you say, I expect St Virgil to try and clobber as many of the Holy Trinity as he can, and get away with it.

One slight error though. We aren't unbeaten. Chris Kavanagh saw to that, away at Elland Road.

Liam Mogan
4 Posted 15/09/2025 at 13:09:57
The RS were helped by their pact with Satan as per usual against Burnley.

We could dominate the whole game, and we will still likely fall foul to some ref decision/jammy deflection/ mind-blowing error.

I'm not even going to watch. It's my son's 18th that day. Can't have the whole day potentially spoiled by the luck of the Devil.

Joe McMahon
5 Posted 15/09/2025 at 13:30:21
Can't disagree with a word, Michael.

I'd rather Jack Grealish sat this one out, as they will target him all match. St Virgil ending his season.

Tom Bowers
6 Posted 15/09/2025 at 13:37:15
Chances of winning with our poor offense are dim but maybe we can steal a draw with a great defensive show.

We need to get to the 80th. minute and then get everyone behind the ball as the last ten minutes are when Redshite usually steal the points. Four games already this season?

Moyes should at least start the new guys, Barry, Rohl and Dibling. The experience could do them a World of good against a billionaire squad.

David Bromwell
7 Posted 15/09/2025 at 13:48:06
The game yesterday was a hard watch, yes Burnley did well to defend their gaol for 90 plus minutes and lost because of a moment of madness but they were hardly able to put more than two passes together going forward. On Saturday we now have a number of talented forward players so we cannot follow the same tactic as Burnley.

So what should we do ? Please don't get too excited and try a treat the match as a normal game against a very good side. A silly sending off is my usual nightmare, and my guess is their crowd will remember the Tarkowski incident from last season, so calm heads on the pitch and in the crowd please.

Hopefully Mykolenko will play, and Beto will again give their centre backs a rough ride and we will take our chances. Also we need to vary our corner and long throw routines, always looking for Tarkowski has lost some of the initial effectiveness.

So for me we should avoid all the hype, it will not help our players, and for the first time in many years we have a squad who are more than capable of winning the game. But we must avoid the ' Burnley ' type error as that's simply all they need to take the points.

Ian Bennett
8 Posted 15/09/2025 at 14:01:16
Passionate piece. But we aren't both unbeaten sadly. Leeds..
Dave Williams
9 Posted 15/09/2025 at 14:05:02
As others have said we now have players who can win this game for us. We have to keep a full team on the pitch and get at their full backs.

Beto is difficult for them to handle and as we all know he is due a goal. Jack will go there and won't be intimidated by them- blues to win!!

Rob Halligan
10 Posted 15/09/2025 at 14:23:58
Well I suppose the one good thing about going to that shithole is that it's so early in the season. It's not very often the first derby is played at that shithole, and we normally spend about 6 - 7 months dreading going there.

Hopefully, with it being so early in the season, along with a change to the kick-off time, many of the feral bastards won't have had time to book their flights from whatever part of the world they come from.

Ian Jones
11 Posted 15/09/2025 at 14:50:22
Michael, is this not also the game where Pickford got involved in a tangle with Van Dijk and Richarlison got sent off and Liverpool had a last minute or added time goal disallowed. Just saying :)
Jack Convery
12 Posted 15/09/2025 at 14:51:00
A decent LB has been recorded as a free agent on Transfermarket. Renan Lodi, who has 19 caps for Brazil. He has termnated his contract with Al Hilal, after the new coach has sidelined him. Played 118 games for Athletico Madrid and also played at Forestn -32 games. Seems to be an attacking LB. Valued at £13m by TM.

Renan Lodi's life has taken a dramatic turn at the start of the new season. He was one of the team's standout performers last season, appearing in 42 matches, scoring four goals and providing 10 assists. However, with the arrival of the new coach, the player has been completely sidelined, not even appearing in a single match this season, a surprise that has upset many.

Paul Kossoff
13 Posted 15/09/2025 at 14:55:39
Playing those jammy bastards we will need the spirits of Dixie Dean, Alan Ball, Brian Labone to beam themselves down, the referee, linesman and var all to be reds haters. Jesus, and the real Merlin to perform miracles and magic, and Everton to play brilliantly, plus lots of luck, then,we may beat the other lot at Lego stadium.
They have the dark side with them, I'm convinced that they hold a spell over us and have done for decades, so to beat them, read above. Blanket, pillow drinks all ready behind the couch. Pesemistic me, you bet I am. Miserable no, because we only have to play those fks twice a season.
Paul Kossoff
14 Posted 15/09/2025 at 14:58:28
Jack 12. Excellent research, thanks.
Christy Ring
15 Posted 15/09/2025 at 15:00:52
Michael sadly everything you said is spot on and most of the pundits are exredsite, as well and don’t forget we’ll have Van Dick refereeing the game as normal. I just hope Mykolenko can start, with Garner back in midfield, which will make us a lot stronger, and a lot more confident of getting a result, but as always can expect a controversial decision to go against us?
Kevin Molloy
16 Posted 15/09/2025 at 15:28:30
James was never the same player after that challenge. It really was a nasty one.

Must admit I can't stand these games. I don't expect anything from them, and indeed half the time I avoid them. the most painful aspect is how often we go to pieces when we are there. they don't collapse like that when they come to Goodison, it really is something we need to get off our back. As Michael says, we won't get anything from the officials, and if we do, there will be such howls of derision from the crowd the referee will make it right within minutes for them.

I'd play Barry ahead of Beto (we need to hold onto the ball in this one) and if things go wrong expect a first sight of Dibling.

Paul Kossoff
17 Posted 15/09/2025 at 15:47:21
Just had a thought. I wonder if it's possible to fly a drone with a paint gun to that lots ground, and spray Lego Land, in BIG letters, all over for all to see, would upset them I think.😁
Rob Halligan
18 Posted 15/09/2025 at 15:47:45
Ian # 11…….it was also the same game where if Michael Oliver had refereed the game properly, he would have sent off Van Shite for two bookable offences within the first ten minutes. As pointed out by Michael in the OP, Van Shite tried to nobble James not once, but twice and also DCL, all of which, in my opinion were all bookable offences. So a kind of Karma that the dirty bastard suffered a knee injury putting him out for the entire season, rather than just the one game he would have missed due to suspension.
Jimmy Salt
19 Posted 15/09/2025 at 15:59:25
I can't watch these games anymore it's bad for my health.
I'm in London doing a bit of sightseeing and catching an event in the Albert Hall ( la de da)
I'll wake up on Sunday and check the fallout.
Martin Reppion
20 Posted 15/09/2025 at 16:05:08
Jack #12, Sadly as he was under contract at the closure of the transfer window we can't sign him until Jan 1st.
He'll be on the beach in Brazil until then, unless the South American transfer system is different to ours.

Sergio Reguilon, however, is available as he left Spurs as a free agent at the end of his contract in June.

Martin Berry
21 Posted 15/09/2025 at 16:24:43
I think our chances may hinge on Myko getting back to allow Garner to play in his natural position. With that in place I expect us to be the real deal.
I am sure that Moyes we want us to match them in midfield, and especially to battle Mc Allister who is a real hatchet man in there for the dark side.
We have enough ability to create chances and maybe our luck comes and theres runs out.
Everton 2-0, now that will shake up the Sky darlings.
Jim Bennings
22 Posted 15/09/2025 at 16:27:16
It's unwinnable let's be honest.

The powers that be don't allow Liverpool to lose home games anymore, the crowd holds too much sway over weak officials and VAR now is like another member of the corrupt gang to see them through.

We haven't won at Anfield with fans in the ground this century, I'd love to see it happen again but I seriously doubt now the way football has gone that it will happen again unless a minor miracle happens.

Joe Hurst
23 Posted 15/09/2025 at 16:40:18
Ah, another visit to the old house, to face the squatters of our city.

‘hat Lot’ win things these days thanks to penalties, they won the Champions League they don’t shut up bragging about thanks to pens - like so much in the 21st century too.

Tim Taylor
24 Posted 15/09/2025 at 16:51:42
Sadly can only agree with the OP and the rest of the comments. Only slightly less excruciating will be the family get together I'm attending that day for my father-in-law's 90th, which means I will miss making myself watch it the lesser of two evils I guess
Tim Taylor
25 Posted 15/09/2025 at 16:51:45
Sadly can only agree with the OP and the rest of the comments. Only slightly less excruciating will be the family get together I'm attending that day for my father-in-law's 90th, which means I will miss making myself watch it the lesser of two evils I guess
Alan McGuffog
26 Posted 15/09/2025 at 17:06:32
Let's just get it behind us, the inevitable loss, the likely sending off, the media love in.
Then concentrate on the rest of the season
Darragh Farrell
27 Posted 15/09/2025 at 17:10:24
Moyes needs to come out this week and say something like "the ref needs to be strong and not be intimidated by the home crowd". Put the officials on notice before the match about the need for consistency.
Rob Halligan
28 Posted 15/09/2025 at 17:14:49
These are the “Homers” for Saturday…………

Referee: Darren England. Assistants: Lee Betts, Scott Ledger. Fourth official: Bobby Madley. VAR: John Brooks. Assistant VAR: Akil Howson.

James MacGlashan
29 Posted 15/09/2025 at 17:28:05
Let's not forget VVD's challenge on Onana. Clear red. But he got a yellow
Christine Foster
32 Posted 15/09/2025 at 17:50:52
What the hell is the matter with you lot? Given up before you start, inevitable defeat, get if out of the way... Just stop!
We have the best squad in years, we are playing well, we have scores to settle, of course no one expects us to win but I do. Their smug arrogance belies a poor defence, Beto is so full of misses he is sure to get a screamer, so absurd will it be, but that despicable human being won't like someone roughing him up. To me this is Moyes first real test, how will he instruct the team to play, what tactical decisions will he make, how many subs and when. No knives to a gunfight, no 11 men behind the ball, no lone striker, go for it, surprise them, surprise us. Stuff them good and proper.
Lee Courtliff
33 Posted 15/09/2025 at 17:56:45
Couldn't disagree more! This game is almost a free hit, no expectation from anyone for us to do anything besides sit deep and hope to cling onto a point. Then lose late on.

Let's go and give them a game, we've got some good players who will have far more room than they did against Villa in our previous match. We have nothing to fear, if we lose then everyone expected that anyway.

But, if we win, its a massive result that could really set us up for a good season. Biggest confidence booster we could possibly get!

The refs aren't always against us there, we had pens in 2018 and 2021. And it was US that scored a last minute goal in 2014, and what a goal it was!

Yes, it's outweighed greatly by what they've had in return, but these shock results could and do happen.

I was watching the film Miracle a couple of weeks ago (when I posted on here that I'd rather see us lose 6-3 that meekly surrender and lose 1-0), its the story of possibly the biggest upset in Olympic history when the US ice hockey team defeated the seemingly invincible Soviet Union at the 1980 Winter Olympics.

The coach told them that everyone loses to the Soviets because they're afraid of them, and the way to beat them is to go at them! Or words to that effect anyway.

It got me pumped up hoping and dreaming that Moyes will send us out at that Cesspit with the same attitude.

If Moyes had written this op many on here would be slating him for his 'Knives to a Gunfight' mentality.

Let's go after the cnuts!!

Jake FitzGerald
34 Posted 15/09/2025 at 17:58:44
Hope we give them a loud rendition of “shitty ground, shitty ground, shitty ground…etc”
Jay Harris
35 Posted 15/09/2025 at 18:01:05
Michael,
“ The pundits, of course, were deafeningly silent.“

I have to disagree. The red nosed biased bastards couldn’t stop highlighting Pickfords challenge on Van Dick for at lease a few years.

When you are taking on the media, the officials and one of the most expensive and entitled squads in the Prem with the 5 sub rule that was promoted by them it becomes very difficult.


However watching Burnley shutting them out until they had a man sent off for a totally unjustified second yellow gives me a lot more encouragement.


Yes they will raise their game against us as we need to raise our game against them.

I would have hoped that Jarred and Myko will both be fit to keep salad in check but that aside we can match them in MF and can get in behind them. Burnley showed that a high press totally unsettles a poor back 4 so hopefully Moyesy will get his tactics right,

Peter Mitchell
36 Posted 15/09/2025 at 18:57:34
Christine - I agree with your call to arms. I think the concern is not how the team does on the pitch, more that the officiating will result in a playing field that is distinctly un-level. Anyway, fuck 'em - let's go for it! I would love them to be moaning about Pickford after the game (again!), with (at least) a point in the bag.
Bobby Mallon
37 Posted 15/09/2025 at 19:05:24
Apparently Burnley are after 50 million from us.
Craig Scott
38 Posted 15/09/2025 at 19:49:32
Hmmm. They say we're bitter. They're wrong about that as well aren't they?
Christy Ring
39 Posted 15/09/2025 at 19:51:16
The big problem we'll have in midfield if Garner has to play left back, is that Tim is prone to getting an early yellow, which will curtail his performance, especially when you'll have McAllister doing his usual Tom Daley dives
Mark Murphy
40 Posted 15/09/2025 at 20:04:10
Come on Everton, these are shites these!
Raymond Fox
41 Posted 15/09/2025 at 20:10:42
I don't think it would be wise to go there and play for a point, especially with our mixed up defence- who to be fair are doing suprisingly well.

No, go for a win, if we give it a go and lose so be it.

Sam Hoare
42 Posted 15/09/2025 at 20:11:30
I think Liverpool are somewhat fortuitous to have won all of their games and the gap between us is probably smaller right now than it has been for a while.

That being said they still have a superior team and very few (if any) of our players would make their first XI.

As such I don't think having a real go at them and giving them an open game is the way forward. They thrive on teams being open at the back. Our best bet is to give them little space in the final third and to then use any opportunity to counter attack or get set pieces in the box productively. Beto will be a handful and in Ndiaye and Grealish we have two wingers who can beat their man and find a good ball. Choose the right moments to attack, execute well and anything could happen.

Kevin Molloy
43 Posted 15/09/2025 at 20:17:27
this will be a game the opposite of the one on Saturday. We don't need to press, we need to hold our shape, and let them come onto us. Whilst they aren't scoring hatfuls they have won every bloody game so will be full of themselves. I agree with others though, they're not the team they were, and we have improved. Got a funny feeling Dibling might shine in this one if he gets some minutes.
Ian Bennett
44 Posted 15/09/2025 at 20:18:12
Agree Sam. Dyche for all his faults had a good game plan when we won at Goodison.

Kept 11 on the pitch, and sucked them and not us into cheap free kicks. We need to look after ourselves, but play with our brains.

Ndiaye, Grealish and KDH have enough to draw in their defenders.

Mike Powell
46 Posted 15/09/2025 at 20:25:14
I hate the derby especially at there place, you can guarantee they will get a dodge decision,and have the ref VAR sky sports and all the pundits on there side.I can not stand them, I don't like them getting a corner, never mind beating us, so might not watch it because it's no good for the blood pressure
Dave Abrahams
47 Posted 15/09/2025 at 20:26:46
I understand that Sam and agree with it to an extent especially just attacking but leaving the huge holes, in midfield, that we do when attacking, yes attack with patience and precision, Bournemouth and Newcastle frightened the life out of of them with their attacking intent, Newcastle coming from two nil down and with ten men, Bournemouth did the very same and were unlucky not to win the game with the chances they created and it was anyone’s game in those last fifteen minutes but Liverpool got home and clinched the game with Bournemouth still threatening to get the equaliser.

Defend by all means but try and get some bullets in like they did in the first half at Anfield last season—- the second half we sat back and Liverpool got a very lucky but inevitable goal because we just defended and never gave them anything to worry about at the other end of the field.

Rob Halligan
48 Posted 15/09/2025 at 20:28:22
Mark # 40 has the best battle cry!
Nicolas Piñon
49 Posted 15/09/2025 at 22:32:53
Its a very difficult fixture and we have a Cup game days later. Hope Moyes notes that and makes the wolves game the priority. We all know theres clearly one of those two games we have to win. Id prefer loosing on saturday and going through in the cup than getting something on saturday and getting out of the cup next wedbesday. But seeing the kind of decisiones Moyes takes hell put the strongest team come mordor. Its hope what kills you.
John Keating
50 Posted 15/09/2025 at 23:14:12
Now we are just concentrating on the footy - finally, then I read bloody Burnley are taking us to a tribunal this week for 60 million!!!
It never ends!
Paul Kossoff
51 Posted 15/09/2025 at 23:23:48
Michael Kenrick, I am proud of you for telling it as it is.

If Sky themselves gave me a year's free Sky Sports, all inclusive, but I had to watch both derby games live, I would turn it down.

I've been traumatized ever since the 1989 FA cup final which I regret attending. Coming out into the car park and standing near five reds who stood there complaining about different refereeing decisions that didn't go their way.

I blew up, and verbally ripped into them, calling them all the names under the sun, all the swear words I could think of, telling them that they supported the dirtiest bunch of cheating bastards that ever existed. Not one of them said a word.

I hate them with all my heart. Just a game is it? Not with them bastards it's not.

Mark Taylor
52 Posted 16/09/2025 at 00:54:36
I'm usually a glass half empty but on this one, I am illogically optimistic. Sure they have some great players on paper but

1) As others have said, we have closed the gap a bit and have attacking players who can cause any defence trouble, including one in Dibling who has done so to great effect and might relish a run out later on.

2) And I don't think their defence is any great shakes

3) In some ways, it's a free hit because no-one expects us to win or even draw

4) While they might look good on paper, their near record signing, Wirz, looks like a fish out of water and their record signing isn't match fit by his own manager's opinion. Nor does Salah look the player he once was.

5) The best time to get any top 4 side is the weekend after a CL game. They don't have much time to recover whereas we should be fresh as a daisy. I hope Atletico give them plenty to sweat over.

OK, the odds are against us, but let us not go in with fear. This isn't a hopeless charge of the Light Brigade scenario.

Ernie Baywood
53 Posted 16/09/2025 at 03:08:43
I'm in Christine's camp here. I can't believe how defeatist and whiney some people are.

Fuck that lot. Go there and fight and play.

This is one game where Beto might actually prosper. They are a shambles at the back when put under pressure. That remains Beto's only attribute.

We'll talk about refereeing decisions afterwards. Though I'm sure Moyes will be on the front foot on our behalf.

Derek Knox
54 Posted 16/09/2025 at 04:17:09
Jack C @12, great spot there mate, I wonder if Moyes and Everton are on to it !

I think a lot will depend not only on team selection, but which referee is officiating. I would just love to take the wind out of their sails, and halt their progress.

Mike Gaynes
55 Posted 16/09/2025 at 04:46:30
Jack and DK, Everton reportedly made an approach to Atletico about Lodi in early 2023. He was on loan at Forest at the time. He subsequently went to Marseille instead, and then to Saudi.

According to The Athletic, we have the same European scouts still working for us that Kevin Thelwell supervised. Our scouts will therefore know all about Mr. Lodi.

And I saw him play a couple of months ago against City in the Club World Cup. Went the full 120 in that spectacular game.

Yes please.

Laurie Hartley
56 Posted 16/09/2025 at 04:57:45
Mark # 52 - on your point number 2) “their defence isn’t any great shakes”. I agree except that if we pump long balls into the air in their half the horrible one and his mate will gobble them up all day long.

It is out wide where we can get at them. Their fullbacks are good going forward but Grealish and Ndiaye will keep them occupied and will put them to the test.

Beto to take the physical battle up to their two centre halves. Garner and Dewsbury Hall to feed off those three and Gana to give that Szoboszlai no space in front of our penalty area.

Could be won on corner kicks this one.

Ernie Baywood
57 Posted 16/09/2025 at 05:14:58
Laurie, that's going to require us to be brave and allow at least one of Grealish or Ndiaye to play further up the pitch.

That lot will see a lot of the ball and drive us deep. It's up to us whether we drop everyone back or not.

I'm a big supporter of Moyes and certainly don't see him as a negative or defensive manager. I think he's quite the opposite. He wants his teams to play football. But in these types of games he had a history of being quite conservative and avoid risks - it was the main knock on him.

We'll see if anything has changed.

Jerome Shields
58 Posted 16/09/2025 at 06:50:19
I just don't think they are any better than last season.The Premier League last season was a non event.They basically won it by default. ie. Competing teams where all below par.Slot has spent a fortune to try and build on his one change to Klopp's team last season, to sort out his inadequacies.

I think Everton's much improved forward play will worry Slot.They will need the usual decisions to get something out of the game, hopefully not a penalty in injury time.

Everton are capable of beating them , as long as Moyes can do something about his inferiority complex.His presser will give us hints.

Alan McGuffog
59 Posted 16/09/2025 at 08:08:45
Semi final day in 1971. We as reigning champions are a goal up and playing that lot off Old Trafford. Labone gets crocked. You know the rest. And the stage is set. Earlier that season two nil up against them. Yup !
In the intervening years we have had the occasional stroke of good fortune Goslings last minute winner for example. Otherwise it's been over fifty years of calamity. Last minute defeats, ludicrous own goals, questionable refereeing, sendings off and sheer pitiful performances. Surrendering leads. Jesus wept their youth team beat us a year or two ago.
So please if you want to go all Henry V before Agincourt do so. But with regards that lot, yes I am a defeatist. I live in hope but that's all it is.
David Bromwell
60 Posted 16/09/2025 at 08:19:16
I found myself watching Liverpool a lot during Klopp's tenure simply because they were playing exciting football which was such a contrast to our dire efforts at the time. Moving forward to Slot's team I agree they certainly don't look as fluid or dangerous. They do still, however, have a number of players who if given the opportunity will shoot on sight and our defence will have to be at its very best to close them down. For me their key player is McAllister, and he took a knock on Sunday. If he doesn't play that will be a bonus, but we will still need Garner in midfield, so hoping Mykolenko will be fit.

But importantly it's a day to stay calm, we have some really classy players now and going forward we will trouble their defence, but we need to keep everybody on the pitch and avoid the Burnley type mistake.

Micky Norman
61 Posted 16/09/2025 at 08:22:45
I see this as a game for us to win with our breakout threat. Alcaraz needs to be given some time up front for his movement in the box. If we can keep it goalless for an hour, we now have the threat to scare them later on.

Although the chances are that if that happens we'll retreat as per usual and wait for them to bring on a squillion quids worth of subs.

Gerry Quinn
62 Posted 16/09/2025 at 08:25:13
Yesterday, they announced the officials appointed for our game.

Darren England will serve as the on-field referee, with Lee Betts and Scott Ledger acting as his assistants.

Bobby Madley has been appointed as the fourth official.

Meanwhile, John Brooks will oversee VAR operations, assisted by Akil Howson.

Derek Knox
63 Posted 16/09/2025 at 08:31:15
Mike G @55, thanks for your endorsement on Oh Lodi, pick a bale of Cotton!

It is easy to make a misguided judgement via YouTube as they mostly look like World-beaters, till you see them off-screen, but this guy does look the business for me. It also looks like he has versatility too.

Please make it happen, Everton?

Jimmy Carr
64 Posted 16/09/2025 at 08:43:40
Considering the tone of the article it should be 'Trepidation builds...' not 'Anticipation builds '

Anticipation is the wrong word entirely. Schoolboy error. Just saying.

Jim Bennings
65 Posted 16/09/2025 at 08:51:05
It won't matter who the officials are, they will have arrived under a sworn oath to hand and 50/50 decisions to the home side, and any 60/40 Everton decisions will be looked at under VAR in the hope that the wind was blowing in Liverpool's favour.

This isn't negative or sceptical it's just the plain as day truth.

This is football now, maybe the officials are even afraid that if they go against the grain, the mafia will eventually hunt them down who knows but I know one thing, it's a huge business with billions of pound and whenever there is that much money in something, corruption is not far to follow.

They even attempted in February to rule out Tarkowski's late equalizer didn't they? Even though there wasn't a hint of contact anywhere in the build up other than Liverpool players mistiming jumps to head a ball away, the officials still tried to kill the most euphoric moment in the final ever Goodison derby.

Robert Tressell
66 Posted 16/09/2025 at 09:08:56
Stout defending, good attitude (not being overawed), work rate, discipline and we have a chance.

We'll be playing the ref too, as ever. So we need a bit of luck.

But we will get chances - so let's finish them this time. Not the favourites obviously but a win is not out of the question.

Raymond Fox
67 Posted 16/09/2025 at 09:10:00
We need to score at least one goal probably more.

We now have better quality going forward but will they put in as much defending than the players from last year did, thats my doubt for this game and indeed the season.

We will probably score more but will very likely conceed more too.

Few people will give us much of a chance, the game is virtually a shot to nothing for us.

Sitting back and trying to nil them I doubt very much will work, so have a go and attempt to score one or two goals.

Roberts saying different and he could be right, we will see.

Mike Price
68 Posted 16/09/2025 at 09:44:36
VAR makes things even more difficult. They keep going further and further back and eventually find something to penalise; the opposite happens if they score.

It's a fail-safe layer of manipulation that makes it so much more difficult for us. Our management has to get smarter at pointing things out; they are the masters of it. Any small thing that goes against them is highlighted for weeks afterwards assuring every future decision will go their way.

James Hughes
69 Posted 16/09/2025 at 10:26:27
Moyes needs to grow a pair he needs to change the narrative
That lot have got away with too many decisions in the past from the refs.

Rodwell being sent off when nowhere near anyone still annoys me.

So I agree with previous poster if DM can state pre-game we expect a fair game that would be a start.

Andrew Ellams
70 Posted 16/09/2025 at 11:50:43
Spot in Mike Price. We scored 4 goals at home to Liverpool and Man Utd last season and the combined VAR checking time for all of them was around 14 minutes and that's without the penalty that got turned over in the last minute against Utd.
Mike Doyle
71 Posted 16/09/2025 at 11:59:16
Discussing the game with a colleague yesterday.
He asked me what was most likely to happen if the scores are level going into the last few minutes….
Dodgy red card (us obviously)
Offside goal to them (upheld by VAR)
Good goal to us (ref sent to the screen - to review footage from our last 3 games)
25 minutes of time added on.
… and this from an Ipswich fan.
Alan McGuffog
72 Posted 16/09/2025 at 12:29:41
Can't decide whether it will be St Virgil or McAllister who takes Illy out in the first five minutes. Unpunished of course.
Jim Bennings
73 Posted 16/09/2025 at 12:43:29
Moyes should tell our players to master the dark arts more.

Throw yourself down, time waste, cheat, feign injury and wave imaginary cards at the referee.

It's worked ok for sides at the top.

Jack Convery
74 Posted 16/09/2025 at 12:47:05
I'm surprised they haven't arranged. to have the pitch to be slanted downhill towards our goal in each half. Expect 5/6 yellows for us and a fair chance of a second yellow for someone in blue.

A player in blue will breathe on one of them in the penalty box and a pen awarded and rectified by VAR.

If we manage to score first, expect a thorough re-examination of the play up to the scoring of the goal, which will go back 3 minutes to a foul throw and the goal chalked off.

Mark Andersson
75 Posted 16/09/2025 at 12:48:57
Thank God For Christine at 32. She is spot on. You attract what you fear.

You negitive fans piss off if you can't get behind your team. We can win this one Moyes needs to win this one to show he has the balls now to be a deservedly manager of our club.

Martin Farrington
76 Posted 16/09/2025 at 12:59:17
Great article Micheal.
Took every syllable I was thinking and sewed them together pointedly and honestly.
I hate the RNS. They are self sanctifying narcissists.
Have gotten away with footballing crimes on the pitch since before the non lace ball was invented.
After Weakling W@nker Webb declared a penalty is owed by us because of Illy in the Wolves game, at least one will most assuredly be given. Controversial and unjust preferably. Tarks most likely to be the chosen culprit.
We will be awarded nothing. If we score a 20 minute var protest will kick in. In order to reprogramme the auto offside software.
Yes we will incur at least 7 yellows for nothing. Yes we will have at least 1 player sent off for a second dubious yellow. Yes their nasty gnarling fans will have the ref chomping at the bit to punish us more, whilst several of our players legs have been reduced to stumps, no offence of course.
The best we can hope for is no one bottles it on the day (a frequent occurrence). Moyes does not pick Tim. He wont cut it. That Beto accidently gets a hat trick and all of them are disallowed which took VAR so long to find the most preposterous reasons to cancel them, taking the game into 148th added minute, when, via van dykes arm (deemed not interfering) the winner is scored. Final whistle instantly goes.
PL fine us for allowing our players to ask the referee how far up his hoop was Slots snake
Martin Farrington
77 Posted 16/09/2025 at 13:02:05
Jim @ 73 exactly
James Lawton
78 Posted 16/09/2025 at 14:05:58
The matches against the top sides are there to be relished because they give us an opportunity to judge ourselves and our progress as the team improves. This match is evolving into a monster of trepidation and fear in the minds of the supporters, who seem to be suffering from a footballing form of PTSD.

Yes, Liverpool do seem to get the rub of the green so many times against us, but that should not prevent the team giving their best efforts or the supporters lacking faith in the teams ability, especially with our new additions.

At the end of the day, we want to play well and get the 3 points. What their supporters and the pundits have to say is irrelevant to our football journey. We are Everton.

Danny O'Neill
79 Posted 16/09/2025 at 14:51:15
I like the anticipation and different individual approaches. It would be a dull forum without the diversity.

I'm not really into getting personal over differences, but if someone wants to tell an Evertonian to piss off, that's their prerogative I guess.

Colin Malone
80 Posted 16/09/2025 at 16:03:59
Jack has been brilliant. If it ain't broke don't fix it.
Derek Knox
81 Posted 16/09/2025 at 17:26:55
Jim B @ 53,

I definitely don't agree with stooping down and emulating the shoddy tactics of the Red Shite. If we win, we win it fair and square. Everyone knows what the Devil's Spawn get up to, hopefully only a matter of time before they start getting Yellows and Reds in abundance.

I really like Alcaraz as a player but, if he plays in the derby, he is possibly the most likely to fall foul of the Ref. He has shown, since he has been with us, minor offences like kicking the ball away etc, which the officials see as an all too good an excuse to book him!

Andy Crooks
82 Posted 16/09/2025 at 17:48:44
I believe we will win. For the first time ever, I don't fear this.

Let our skillful players, and we have some for a change, cause them trouble, and let everyone else kick the fucking daylights out of the entitled, cheating, diving cunts.

Derek Knox
83 Posted 16/09/2025 at 17:57:53
Andy@ 82, don't beat about the bush, say what you mean ? :-)
Dave Abrahams
84 Posted 16/09/2025 at 18:21:09
Andy (82) Andy always spell fucking as “ fuckin’ “ it sounds better, fucking is too posh!
Andrew Merrick
85 Posted 16/09/2025 at 18:40:08
Always a good mix on these pages... emotion, angst, humour...

On a level playing field we can do them.

The first few challenges and decisions will be the barometer...

I fancy us having a go, Sgt Jones style, they don't like it stuck up em!

Danny O'Neill
86 Posted 16/09/2025 at 19:11:14
That's the spirit, Andy. Hope you're travelling over. We can take them and the 3,000 will do their bit.

It won' be the same, but hopefully the 3,000 will give the Winslow, Brick and others on County Road a small matchday boost

Nicolas Piñon
87 Posted 16/09/2025 at 19:18:08
Liverpool have invested a lot but lost their best player by far in Luis Díaz. We Can maybe get something, shall wait and See.
Colin Glassar
88 Posted 16/09/2025 at 19:21:19
If Moyes loosens the reins, we can beat them.

If he takes his proverbial penknife, then we will lose.

Tony Abrahams
89 Posted 16/09/2025 at 19:59:06
Howard Webb and his cronies are a disgrace to the game of football, Martin @76, because they often make it up as they go along, mate.

I thought I read somewhere the other week that the PGMOL said Wolves should have had a penalty against Everton but I couldn't remember the incident.

I wrote on the other thread after Oliver gave Liverpool a penalty on Sunday but he actually blew up for Ndiaye being offside after he had put the ball into the net in our game a fortnight before against Wolves even though, just before this, there had been a much clearer penalty than the ones I've seen awarded this season.

No VAR check; sometimes, I'd just love to know how it works.

I'd actually settle for a defeat at Anfield for a win at Molynuex next week, especially if we can draw Liverpool at home in the next round. They don't scare me, I'd play them every week, but until our players and manager feel the same way, then I suppose my words just sound stupid and full of false bravado...

Derek Knox
90 Posted 16/09/2025 at 19:59:14
Watched most of the Athletic Bilbao v Arsenal match.

According to that gobshite Ally McCoist, (they can't resist talking about the RS) they are not even out of bottom gear, so the Premier League will have to watch out, when they get better and change up.

Makes me want to see a rare Everton victory even more now!

Kevin Molloy
91 Posted 16/09/2025 at 23:22:04
I#ve just realised Liverpool play tomorrow, then straight into the early game on Saturday.

That's a little bonus.

Laurie Hartley
92 Posted 16/09/2025 at 23:27:03
James # 78 - I have to admit I also have suffered from football PTSD with particularly severe onsets prior to a derby game.

Fortunately I have found the cure. All I have to do is think about Ndiaye, Dewsbury-Hall, and Grealish and their potential to tear any defence apart and this wonderful feeling of optimism comes over me. I like it.

Jerome Shields
93 Posted 17/09/2025 at 06:50:51
Mike #68,

I agree, VAR should only go back three moves at most, and be about what is relevant to the score. If not, the Ref is given the chance to get out of giving the goal, which is his intention and probably that of the panel.

Mark Murphy
94 Posted 17/09/2025 at 08:30:33
“I'd actually settle for a defeat at Anfield”????

Wash your mouth out with soap, Tony lad!

Dave, have a word with your boy!

UTFT and KAGS

Brian Harrison
95 Posted 17/09/2025 at 09:49:59
I remember listening to Danny Murphy talking about the derby games and he said that he thought our players got over-hyped for the game and he reckoned that hindered more than helped.

He said for them they just treated it as a normal game, and so there was less pressure on their players... Might be worth bearing that in mind.

Dave Abrahams
96 Posted 17/09/2025 at 10:19:35
Mark (94),

Tony doesn't always mean what he says, lets his head overrule his heart at times. His heart will never falter from loving the Blues and I know he would love Everton to give it to Liverpool on Saturday and give Wolves a going over too.

But he has a point when he says he would love to play Liverpool every week because he absolutely has no fear of them; if the manager and players truly felt that way on Saturday, then their performance would be all the better for it.

I saw him three times play Liverpool, twice in the Youth Cup, 3-3 at Anfield coming back from 3-0 down. Tony scored the first and got the team having a real go at them. When the third goal went in, he showed his delight by his antics on the field. They won the replay and later on in that season he provided the assist in Forest's equaliser which helped them to win the Central League.

In the past, Everton have been beaten by Liverpool before they got on the field. Under Dyche, they stood up to them and were by far the better team in that 2-0 win. To be fair to that tough Scottish manager, Moyes, they had a very good go at Goodison in the 2-2 draw and in the first half at Anfield but let the game drift away from them in the second half.

We can win on Saturday if the team play without fear and let Liverpool know they are in a game. Tony's only fear is the same as a lot of us — how the officials referee the game, especially those miles away from the pitch! 2-1 to the Blues with a tragic (or magic) back-pass from Van Dijk eluding the poor Brazilian goalkeeper!

Jimmy Carr
97 Posted 17/09/2025 at 10:23:28
After the VAR shambles in the Fulham v Chelsea game a couple of weeks ago, they had a better weekend just gone, so hopefully they can keep it up for the derby, letting the game and a few tackles flow.

I think Beto should start as he may enjoy putting himself about, but I would like to see Alcaraz get some game time.

Mark Murphy
98 Posted 17/09/2025 at 10:47:28
“Mark (94), Tony doesn't always mean what he says,”

Yeah I know! He called me a fucking Tory last week!! Me!!

Dave Abrahams
99 Posted 17/09/2025 at 11:31:56
Mark (98),

Funny enough, Mark, Tony has a very strong sense of smell and he can smell those bleedin' Tories from miles away — just saying like!

Chris James
100 Posted 17/09/2025 at 11:39:33
We did get beaten by Leeds to be fair. Dodgy penalty of course but I think it still counts. Unbeaten in last 3? 4 Inc cup games.

Otherwise pretty spot on!

Dave Lynch
101 Posted 17/09/2025 at 12:05:45
I fucking hate derbies... The media hype, the shite spoken about that lot, the officials, everything about the game screams bias toward them.

Every time I watch one, I want to put my foot through the telly. My wife says I become an irrational psychopath; I don't like feeling that way, so I'll go fishing instead.

Tony Abrahams
102 Posted 17/09/2025 at 12:09:56
My biggest weakness is that I always try and be honest Mark. I apologised for my typing error, although how anyone would want to be associated with this current guise of a Labour Party, or I suppose any political party, right now is probably the saddest thing about the state of our country right now?

When we go to Anfield on Saturday, the only song/taunt that we won’t be able to give the bastards, an answer to is, “you haven’t won a trophy for thirty fucking years”

Would you seriously not take a defeat at Anfield, for a victory over Wolves, next week, especially if we can draw them at home in the next round? (Which is what I said!)

Seriously Mark, Liverpool football club, don’t give me any fears mate, and I can “honestly say!” hand on heart, that they never will. (Although I do hate watching them win, I’ve decided that I’m not going to be jealous or full of hate, I’m just going to be more demanding of Everton)

We are Everton, we know more about them than most, so yes, of course I’d take a defeat on Saturday, for a victory against them in any cup tie, because my own view is that winning a cup is more important than winning against any team in the league, now we aren’t going to be worried about being in a relegation fight.

Running around Wembley with the cup, should, imo, be the biggest aim for the Everton squad, for this season 🤷‍♂️🤞

Tom Bowers
103 Posted 17/09/2025 at 12:38:23
No good disputing the RS have the superior squad with scoring power in depth even if they have been winning with late goals lately.

However, Everton have a much improved squad also and, on any day, one team can beat another. Just look at Qarabağ yesterday.

Obviously the defense needs to come up big to hold the billionaire signings but it's not impossible.

The hope is that Everton's new additions will soon enough start producing the goods under the experience of Moyes and if not this week then against Wolves next week.

Ted Donnelly
104 Posted 17/09/2025 at 12:53:16
I like to call the shite's gaff... The Minecraft Stadium. 🤣🤣
Raymond Fox
105 Posted 17/09/2025 at 12:55:05
Tony @ 102, truth is a lot better than half truths and downright lies. I also agree about the shower thats in power now, they couldn't run a piss up never mind a country.

Billy Connoly had it right when he said the very idea of someone wanting to be a politician should bar them from every becoming one, its the money that attracts them and that goes for all the parties.

I don't live in the city so its easier for me to try and ignore the reds, they irritate the hell out of me though.

I do think we have our best chance now under our new ownership to try and get parity with them, I'm very optimistic that we are finally going the right way.

Mark Murphy
106 Posted 17/09/2025 at 20:13:30
“Would you seriously not take a defeat at Anfield, for a victory over Wolves, next week?”

I have the same weakness for honest answers, Tony, and honestly 100% I'll take a victory at Anfield anytime thank you very much!

Rob Halligan
107 Posted 17/09/2025 at 20:20:56
We can win both…….simples!
Tony Abrahams
108 Posted 17/09/2025 at 20:55:46
That's fair enough, Mark, I just hope you're dancing on Saturday afternoon mate.

I hope you're correct Raymond, and if we can find enough belief, I also don't see why it's not possible.

Colin Glassar
110 Posted 17/09/2025 at 20:58:10
If we can keep them at bay for 20-25 minutes, then we've got a chance.

Their defence is dodgy as fuck as they are currently showing against a very mediocre Atletico Madrid side.

Mark Murphy
111 Posted 17/09/2025 at 21:00:24
Me too, Tony!

I'll deffo be dancing Saturday night -- me and the missus are going to see Deacon Blue!

Danny O'Neill
112 Posted 17/09/2025 at 21:04:38
Deploy the St Helens dad dance.

Scream girls and escort to the taxi.

Tony Abrahams
113 Posted 17/09/2025 at 21:12:24
Hopefully, The Real Gone Kid is going to be dancing like a lunatic in Brighton on Saturday night, Danny!

Dennis Stevens
114 Posted 17/09/2025 at 21:15:15
Not sure if Maria McKee dances like a lunatic anymore, Tony - probably a bit too old for all that.
Tony Abrahams
115 Posted 17/09/2025 at 21:24:22
I'm hoping that Mark is going to be the real gone kid on Saturday night, Dennis, and listening to the Waterboys on my iPad now, I just hope we can give those red cunts a proper bang on the ear.

It's apparently a term of endearment, but you know the score: if Everton beat Liverpool on Saturday, then those self-entitled gobshites will definitely make us smile….. Please God!

Tom Bowers
116 Posted 17/09/2025 at 23:02:00
RS score at the end to steal another win. Is this for real ?
Dennis Stevens
117 Posted 17/09/2025 at 23:28:04
I can't imagine him in one of her frocks, Tony.

Then again, Mark probably likes a bit of dressing up. I think it's de rigueur in Sussex!

Peter Moore
118 Posted 17/09/2025 at 23:40:18
I think the lads realise this time we do have a real chance to go there and win.

Play the game not the occasion, keep our heads. Dismantle the fuckers.

UTFT. NSNO. COYB.

Mark Murphy
119 Posted 18/09/2025 at 07:14:49
You've really got to suppress those fantasies, Dennis.

Have a bit of dignity!

Mark Murphy
120 Posted 18/09/2025 at 07:52:09
Saturday is the day after wages day so hopefully I'll be loaded by closing time and twist and shout! I may even lose my dignity.

Just because I'm not from your town doesn't mean I'll never fall in love again, and if we beat them fuckers and I was right and you were wrong, Tone, you will hang your head while Murph sings the blues (sorry)…

The forecast looks good so hopefully I won't need cover from the sky!

UTF Deacon Blues

Tony Graham
122 Posted 18/09/2025 at 08:27:14
It's written, probably play well defending stoutly, and lose to an Everton arm penalty in the last minute.
Rob Hooton
124 Posted 18/09/2025 at 08:56:06
Looking forward to this one with the usual apprehension, as everyone else has eluded to we know they’ll get some dodgy decisions and our players will have to be careful.

We’ve got a decent team to get behind and a real chance of winning, here’s hoping the jammy dodgers used the last of their luck with yet another late winner last night, they truly are spawny gits.

Grealish and Ndiaye might have a bit more space than our last outing, I want Beto to be a real battering ran and to cause them problems.

Alan McGuffog
125 Posted 18/09/2025 at 08:56:10
Three injury time winners in six days, not a chance. Is there ?
Rob Halligan
126 Posted 18/09/2025 at 09:37:21
Just reading that Diego Simeone, the Atletico Madrid manager, was insulted by RS fans during the whole of the game last night, before eventually reacting after the third goal and being sent off. This following the wheelchair fan being ejected (was he banned?) for racist comments towards Semenyo of Bournemouth just proves that they are the most despicable, hated, sewer rats fucking gobshites this planet has ever known.

They are simply pond live, but then again that would be an insult to any living creatures living in a pond!

Jake FitzGerald
127 Posted 18/09/2025 at 10:07:33
They always whinge that Anfield is flat on early Saturday kick-offs - combine that with the mental and physical exhaustion of last night, this could be the perfect storm for an Everton derby win. Just stay focused in the last five minutes ffs.
Jeff Spiers
128 Posted 18/09/2025 at 10:42:36
Rob, pure scum. F. g lowest of the low. Anyway my Missus loves frogs and toads and dragon flies!!
Tony Abrahams
129 Posted 18/09/2025 at 10:50:32
Agree with Peter M, play the game and not the occasion, just as long as we are prepared for everything.

We have already got under their manager's skin, imo, and they have wanted to give us a proper beating, since they got laughed out of Goodison, behind the song about losing the league at our famous old ground, because this is simply how it always works for anyone with a self-superior attitude.

Tarkowski’s tackle, on McAlister, was all about action rather then words, and when you stand up to the bully, just be prepared for their screaming.

The only pressure that our players should have, is the pressure to make sure that they leave nothing behind in the changing room, and the collective knowledge, that they are going to make it as hard as possible for their opponents.

Easy to write, it’s a lot harder to implement, unless you go there with the right attitude and the desire to play without fear.

Steve Byles
130 Posted 18/09/2025 at 10:55:43
Forget the Ref and VAR, we are going to give them a bloody good hiding. Our front four are immense and will rule the place. This is going to be the wake up call that we are now on the rise and challenging for Europe. The shite will be crying in their beer, it’s going to be marvellous to see. Our press will choke them till they can’t breathe. I predict a comfortable win.
Joe McMahon
131 Posted 18/09/2025 at 11:20:59
Jake, how many times over the years have we played teams that have had European matches 2 days before we play them, and still put in a meek performance and lose.

For a club obsessed with History it's pitiful. Moyes has to stop rolling over in such games.

John Cook
132 Posted 18/09/2025 at 11:22:13
I'm convinced if games stopped rigidly on 90 minutes then rs would be relegated !!
Christine Foster
133 Posted 18/09/2025 at 11:24:38
Tony 102# I understand your logic, but there is a mental block I have about them, you see for those 90 odd minutes, I don't care about the next game, whatever it is, perhaps it's my utmost contempt for all they are, all they stand for. I cannot give them a pass. Let's the dice fall where they may, I won't lie down and think it's OK. Am I irrational? Yes, no.. beating them keeps me warm through winter.
Perhaps beating them signals the tides truly are turning.
Tony Abrahams
134 Posted 18/09/2025 at 11:52:30
There is logic to both of our posts Christine, but when I stop and think, then the biggest mental block that I’ve got, is that none of my kids have seen Everton, win a cup.

They haven’t seen us win at Anfield either, once you put in a crowd, so I can definitely understand both your thought process and your logic, unfortunately.

In the words of Jon Secada - “it’s just another day” but you know how it works for kopites, and it’s only when we beat them, that you see how much it really means to them. It’s just another day, my arse, they fucking hate us, no matter how much they try to tell us otherwise🤷‍♂️

Martin Berry
135 Posted 18/09/2025 at 12:46:18
Myko coming back is key to having Garner back in midfield and that is where we need to match their physicality.
Cut off their supply lines and then let them deal with Grealish, Ndiaye and KDH ?.
I think we will win 2-0 and really shake up the Sky darlings.
Les Callan
136 Posted 18/09/2025 at 13:12:09
Is it true that they have new sponsors on their shirts ? “ Last minute. com “
Scott Hamilton
137 Posted 18/09/2025 at 13:13:49
Look, the Derby is a big deal but let’s all just act cool and pretend like it isn’t!

Them lot always say that it’s our ‘Cup Final’. Let’s just shrug nonchalantly but do so on the basis that we’ll become absolutely unbearable if/when we win! 😜

Christy Ring
138 Posted 18/09/2025 at 13:25:02
Rob #126 Once a thug always a thug, even though they tried to remove it from their calendar as never happened, history shows why the world hates their so called 'fans'.
Christy Ring
139 Posted 18/09/2025 at 13:25:07
Rob #126 Once a thug always a thug, even though they tried to remove it from their calendar as never happened, history shows why the world hates their so called 'fans'.
Scott Hamilton
140 Posted 18/09/2025 at 13:39:06
Les (136) - No, apparently it’s Tampax because they’re jammy c***s.
Ajay Gopal
141 Posted 18/09/2025 at 13:46:27
Moyes has an absolutely atrocious record at Anfield. What is it, 0 wins in about 25 visits, or something like that? Surely, the time to change that record is on Saturday. And Moyes' better believe that he has the players to win it. They have spent more than half a billion on players this summer alone, but we have also bought quality. My worry is that Moyes does not have the courage to utilise what he has got. Okay, we don't have the best striker in the PL, but other than that position, we have the right balance of 'quality' - Grealish, Ndiaye, Dewsbury-Hall, Dibling, and 'steel' - Pickford, Tarkowski, Keane, O'Brien, Mykolenko, Garner, Gueye, Rohl - to humble them.

My starting XI:

Beto

Grealish Dewsbury-Hall Ndiaye

Gueye Garner

Mykolenko Keane Tarkowski O'Brien

Pickford

and the finishing XI:

McNeil Barry Dibling

Rohl Gueye Garner

Myko Keane Tarkowski OBrien

Pickford

This is how it will go:

Opening goal - Keane, off a corner

2nd goal - Ndiaye, off a Grealish assist

3rd goal - Beto, tapping in a rebound

Red card to Kerkez

4th goal - Barry, off a Dibling pass

4-0 to Everton

Dave Williams
142 Posted 18/09/2025 at 14:25:44
Jack should love this and will hopefully get the rest fired up. Need Mykolenko to play as he does well against Salah and we need Garner in midfield.
So much depends on Moyes- send them out with confidence, use substitutions and tell Jack and Illi to run at them. We have the players to win this but do we have the manager?
Robert Tressell
143 Posted 18/09/2025 at 14:43:25
Their likely starting line up seems to be:

Alison
Konate
Van Dijk
Robertson
Frimpong
Mac Allister
Gravenberch
Wirtz
Gakpo
Salah
Ekitike

Theirs is fast, attacking 4231 / 433. Ours is a more conservative, slower, narrower 4231/ 433.

It is, however, a big game for Frimpong, Wirtz and Ekitike. This lot have played in big games before but not a Derby. It will be good to see them thrown off their stride by our (controlled) aggression and work rate.

I also see Frimpong and Konate as good athletes but not class defenders. Our front three can get at them - especially if Beto can really impose himself physically.

If they are tired from the midweek tie against Atletico, all the better.

Moyes can’t guarantee a result but he can go there with team set up to contest the game. A set up as we saw against Leeds would be disappointing - and would see us lose. Even Dyche for his faults didn’t shit his pants at Anfield and there’s no need to. We can cause them a lot of problems.


Kevin Molloy
144 Posted 18/09/2025 at 15:18:13
if we go toe to toe with them we will almost certainly lose. They are at home, 100% record, it's a derby, it's an extremely challenging environment for our fledgling side. Our best bet to get anything out of the game, is to be compact and to frustrate them. I'm thinking we should keep it tight, and if we are lucky we might nick one.
That's it. Oh, and give it whenever possible to Jack Grealish.
Frank Crewe
145 Posted 18/09/2025 at 15:26:53
We really need to be wary of this habit they appear to have developed this season of scoring well after the 90 minutes are up. They have scored in 4 of their 5 competitive games this season in added time. So lets not try to waste time as it seems to benefit them more than their opposition. So if we are drawing or better still ahead near the end of the game we mustn't start falling back on our own goal. Keep the ball moving and don't allow the ref an excuse to tack on 10 minutes at the end. Unless we are well ahead which seems unlikely.
Dave Williams
146 Posted 18/09/2025 at 16:51:13
Kevin- #144 you sound just like our manager!
That said, I’d settle for a defensive masterclass but with the players we have I see no reason why we shouldn’t go for them albeit whilst keeping tight at the back.
A result is all that matters!!
Raymond Fox
147 Posted 18/09/2025 at 16:55:42
Ajay you have been eating those mushrooms again.

We need to be better or match them in midfield, I don't think sitting back and giving them the ball will work.
I'd like to see Mykolenco back not that he's great but it frees Garner up.
We need to score at least on goal I think.

Steve Brown
148 Posted 18/09/2025 at 17:13:25
Of course we have a good chance.

Keep a compact shape and transition quickly.

Get those centre halves turning and running towards their own goals. Go at those fullbacks.

Ian Bennett
149 Posted 18/09/2025 at 17:21:56
The number of late goals must be frustrating.

The old Weir sub used to work a treat, when we shut up shop. The Heitinga sub was shite mind.

Liam Mogan
150 Posted 18/09/2025 at 17:28:53
There's no way Moyes (or 99% of managers) will go toe to toe with Satan's Little Helpers at Hades.

Not a great idea imo. You need a more subtle plan to beat those cnuts. And even then, they'll probably get a lucky break or decision go their way. They haven't been beaten at Castle Greyskull for over 12 months in the PL.

Tom Bowers
151 Posted 18/09/2025 at 17:37:31
Best case scenario is a draw until the last 5 minutes and then our sub slots in the winner. Worst case is they do it again.

Seriously though we have enough talent to hold them off and surely they have to lose sometime and why not to this ''new'' Everton unless of course we fall foul of poor officials which we have become accustomed to in derby games.

Derek Thomas
152 Posted 18/09/2025 at 18:08:56
Kevin @ 144; sorry mate, but you're (mostly) totally wrong, that's Moyeses (Old??) way - and how has that worked for him away to the 'top 4' ???

Not very well. We should do more less the opposite.

The key words are Intensity and concentration

Martin Farrington
153 Posted 18/09/2025 at 18:31:29
Tony 89

et al

Things that PGMOL wont have forgotten.

Not sending Tarks off when he tackled (cleanly) the ball and hit that thug McAllister.

Illys Wolves nonsense.

If those arent enough to give the RNS a win in allotted 90, then Slot time kicks in.

Our biggest problem, my biggest worry, is not lasting Slots O/T.

Dilly Dally's shit application and use of subs is a monumentous hindrance. The RNS will aim at players arms in the box or where your arm would naturally be to get their gamely pen. Or some knackered player or Tarks or Tim will do a sloppy (clear and obviously got the ball) but rns will roll around acting poleaxed. VAR declare pen and sending off, even though it was on the intersection of the 18yd and touchline and rns was heading towards the corner flag.

Beto is gonna get battered and not get a thing. They will go down like a cheap rent boy at Lime Street and get everything.

Cripple us and not see red.

Above info based upon Decades of previous

Sean Kelly
154 Posted 18/09/2025 at 19:06:41
Tony and Christine we as a club should make ourselves the irrepressible noisy neighbours. Look what happen to Man City since old whiskey nose christened them.

Also, a cup would be nice as a starter.

Mark Murphy
155 Posted 18/09/2025 at 19:40:26
What’s the “N” for?
In RNS?
Sean Kelly
156 Posted 18/09/2025 at 19:50:47
Nobheads Mark without the silent K
Peter Mitchell
157 Posted 18/09/2025 at 20:01:30
I see the puerile name calling of our manager has started again on this thread.

Get a life, Moaning Martin Fartington.

Ged Simpson
158 Posted 18/09/2025 at 20:10:42
I think this may be close..What is great about the 10 or so recent posts I have read is that they are about football rather than the bloody media. Refreshing.

I do reckon our attacking strength may scare them but pray we use it and not use them as defenders and bottle it.

Lose with dignity rather than lose because 10 defenders will inevitably give away a penalty courtesy of VAR and others.

And however it goes, the opinion of the media is meaningless... unless you think it matters.

Christy Ring
159 Posted 18/09/2025 at 20:15:20
It's reported Mykolenko wasn't seen training today, which is extremely worrying, he always kept Salah quiet, even with him diving.

I still can't understand why we didn't bring in an established left back considering his injuries last season. Garner is needed in midfield. Hopefully Moyes will have positive news in his press conference tomorrow.

Martin Farrington
160 Posted 18/09/2025 at 20:15:55
Oh how original, Peter.

You can take your children's playground strop to the kop where you belong.

Moyes dillying, dallying and dithering re subs is what he does. Always reacting too late.

So bring on the next barrage of baby words...

Peter Mitchell
161 Posted 18/09/2025 at 20:18:18
That was exactly the point I was making Martin - your constant childish repeated name calling is pathetic, so just stop please.
Jake FitzGerald
162 Posted 18/09/2025 at 20:32:51
Lads, lads, lads, ar-eh, etc. We’re all blues.
Sean Kelly
163 Posted 18/09/2025 at 20:43:17
You wouldn’t think on here sometimes Jake
Peter Mitchell
164 Posted 18/09/2025 at 20:47:14
Agreed, Sean, I really don't get how some blues feel the need to ridicule our own manager.

Perfectly okay to criticise, but not ridicule — that's what winds me up.

Martin Farrington
165 Posted 18/09/2025 at 20:50:40
Okay, Peter.
I will stop using the nickname I gave Mr Moyes, for you.

Dilly Dally Dither
Dilly Dally Dither
Dilly Dally Dither
Dilly Dally Dither

Damn. That felt good. That's it. I'm done. It's outta my system.
No more D words.

Peter Mitchell
166 Posted 18/09/2025 at 20:52:51
Thank you, Martin! That is genuinely appreciated and I hope you feel better.

Btw, I also sometimes get frustrated by late subs, as well.

Christy Ring
167 Posted 18/09/2025 at 20:57:25
In my opinion, Moyes is a lot more competent and experienced manager now, as we have witnessed since replacing Dyche.

Referring to his tactics and his decisions, subs etc, in his previous time here is getting boring now. We should be looking forward, with a lot more optimism now.

Liam Mogan
168 Posted 18/09/2025 at 21:22:59
I thought we were crying out for a couple of attacking substitutes last Saturday. Would have liked to have seen Dibling and Alcaraz in the last 20 minutes, especially as Villa looked to have settled for a point.

Managers tend to differ in their use of subs. Some like to use them all, others not too many especially when the game is in the balance.

It does seem as if the game is changing though. With the 5 subs rule, using the bench has become vital. The bigger squads are taking advantage of it. Arteta was talking about having 'starters' and 'finishers' in the squad, like they do in Rugby, the other day.

You have to be able to trust 17 or 18 players. Not sure Moyes is there yet with our squad.

Jake FitzGerald
169 Posted 18/09/2025 at 21:43:03
Merlin Rohl to score a screamer in the last five minutes. You heard it here first. And yeah, I do have the lottery numbers as it happens.
Martin Farrington
170 Posted 18/09/2025 at 21:56:55
Peter, glad we resolved the issue.

I do believe we have the makings of a successful team in our midst.
We are shy of a few vital elements. Right Back, Centre Forward / Striker or two that are finishers. A dominant leader in central midfield. Could that be Merlin ?
Probably a left back too due to Myk's injury issues. We have a half decent bench if we can add those players, maybe in January and the Summer.
As for the derby. The side we have is more than capable, if we can add finishing. With Jack and Illy, uplifting any nervous players with their magical skills. Jake has been solid as has Keano. Tarks is Tarks and hopefully can resist doing anything rash. Jimmy has been excellent. KDH is still adapting and can shine.
Central midfield is where we are most vulnerable. GG will be at his busiest.
I cant see any difference from our previous away game taking place, with a few tweaks.
They will put us under a lot of pressure and are lightning on the break. Especially from our corners. Sadly they have goalscorers peppered throughout their side. Especially shooting accurately from distance. That is where our CM have to work hard shielding the defence.
We need Jack, KDH & Illy to have a few more cracks at goal and Beto ready for rebounds.
Putting Becker under pressure will pay dividends. He is lousy with the ball at his feet and doesnt do well in stressful situations.
COYB

Nicolas Piñon
171 Posted 19/09/2025 at 01:04:29
This is Everton.
COYB.
Ian Jones
172 Posted 19/09/2025 at 07:12:26
The way I see it is this.

2 wins for them against 2 teams that went cautious and defensive.

Burnley, winner 95th minute

Arsenal winner 84th minute

2 wins for them against 2 teams who were more attack minded and open.

Bournemouth, winner/s 88th/94th minute.

Newcastle, winner 100th minute

What ever approach teams take has ended in defeat with late goals. They may have looked threatening and perhaps dominated some games but results show the winning margin has been close, winning by 1 apart from Bournemouth who probably conceded the second late goal as they were looking to get an equaliser rather than just giving in at 3-2 down.

So they are organised and efficient, and they’ll punish sloppy defending.

However, their defence is a bit unsettled so needs to be occupied. One day soon, a team will take them down. I think we could be that team.

Would the traditional 4-4-2 work. Think Atletico Madrid tried it...

If Mykolenko plays,

Grealish, Gueye, Dewsbury-Hall, Garner as the 4 mid

Ndiaye, Beto up front

If Myko not available,Garner goes left back against Salah and we wish him well or perhaps Jake O'Brien moves to left back to take care of him by giving him a friendly kick

Grealish, Gueye, Dewsbury-Hall, Ndiaye

Barry, Beto

or

Grealish, Gueye, Rohl, Dewsbury-Hall

Ndiaye, Beto

Who'd be a Manager

Ian Bennett
173 Posted 19/09/2025 at 07:28:53
A lot of their wins last season were by a single goal.

I think it a feature under Slot, that they do just enough in all games, rather than bigger performances under Klopp. Marginal win approach, leaving something in the tank.

Here is a summary of Liverpool's matches won by a single goal in the 2024-25 season:

Liverpool won 13 Premier League matches by a single goal.
In the FA Cup, Liverpool won 1 match by a single goal.

In the Champions League, Liverpool won 2 matches by a single goal.

Whatever it is, it needs ending.

Ian Jones
174 Posted 19/09/2025 at 08:04:50
Ian,

Sorry, unless I am missing something obvious, I thought those figures looked a bit odd. I see 16 wins by them in the Premier League by more than one and only 9 by one.

In many of those 16, the margins were by 3.

Laurie Hartley
175 Posted 19/09/2025 at 09:41:35
I have been watching them in the last few games and one thing that has disturbed me is how teams allowed Van Dijk to stroll into their half to direct traffic. Moyes has to develop a tactic to prevent him doing that.

When we go forward, we can definitely get in behind them. Atletico did on numerous occasions.

Tony, I understand your desire for us to win a cup but, in my opinion, when we throw off the shackles the RS has on our mentality, everything else will follow.

Let's throw them off tomorrow.

Steve Brown
176 Posted 19/09/2025 at 10:49:05
Peter @ 166, how about 'dour'?

Is that off-limits?

Dave Abrahams
177 Posted 19/09/2025 at 11:05:57
Laurie (175), Exactly.

Van Dijk is definitely the weak link but no team plays on him and the pundits still make him MotM in some games. Watch him when Liverpool concede a goal he turns around looking to blame someone for the goal when half the time it's his fault!

I hope Everton concentrate on our right wing and give Ndiaye the ball as much as they do Grealish. One thing that Grealish can't do as good as Ndiaye is go past a man and leave him standing. When Everton attack, they must have men up anticipating the balls coming in and Ndiaye can provide those balls.

And you are correct, Laurie, when Kendall and Harvey started creating that great Everton team, it started getting the better of Liverpool. They knew there was no fear from Everton when we played them, particularly the 1-1 draw at Goodison when Harper scored, I think, and Sharp missed a penalty to clinch the win.

Don't fear them and let them know, like Dyche did, and being fair, Moyes in the last two games at Goodison. Being at Anfield shouldn't make too much difference, especially if we get their crowd quiet and frustrated with their team.

Alan McGuffog
178 Posted 19/09/2025 at 11:09:40
Agree with you, Laurie. Much has been made of the Brock back pass in the League Cup in 1984.

For me, the thing that really got us going that season was the 1 - 1 derby at Goodison when Harper scored a cracking equaliser. We discovered belief that day.

Ian Bennett
179 Posted 19/09/2025 at 11:15:53
Konate is the weaker link. Van Dijk just runs away when the goal is about to go, to remove himself from the camera angle.

Konate us big and fast, but is prone to lapses in concentration.

Peter Mitchell
180 Posted 19/09/2025 at 11:39:56
Steve — I just think it is wrong to use name-calling against our own manager, whoever they are, to make your point.

Fine to criticise, especially when they get it wrong (which all managers do at times). I have to say, though, I think Moyes 2.0 has been anything but dour so far!

Mark Murphy
181 Posted 19/09/2025 at 11:43:14
“I am in love, I can't Dniaye,
I thought his name was really Iliman Ndiaye???”

You KO Dave??

A pedant.

Dave Abrahams
182 Posted 19/09/2025 at 11:46:36
Steve (176),

Lay off our manager, Steve, with the letter “D” on Saturday night it will be all about the letter “T” — talented, tenacious, transformative, tactful, and trustworthy and bleedin' triumphant, what a manager our Davie is.

If he plays for a draw and it doesn't come off feel free to go back to the “Ds”!

Dave Abrahams
183 Posted 19/09/2025 at 11:52:20
Mark (181),

I knew someone would spot my deliberate mistake, thought it would be a Scouser to be honest not a bleedin' Woolieback!

Why don't these players have names that are pronounceable!

Ian Bennett
184 Posted 19/09/2025 at 11:58:18
ChatGPT now says 10 wins last season. Whether its 9, 10 or 13 last season and a couple this season, they do seem to be doing just enough for 3 points.

Strength and depth on the bench with 9 subs, they're an effective and dangerous opponent.

Steve Brown
185 Posted 19/09/2025 at 12:02:28
Peter/Dave A, to be fair, dour is not a bad character trait. Jock Stein was dour and a managerial great.

If it translates to playing style, then that is another story. The Lisbon Lions were anything but.

Hopefully we will be talking Triumph and not Defeat for Davie on Saturday!

Jake FitzGerald
186 Posted 19/09/2025 at 12:02:57
To me, dour is a positive not a negative.

As a player, I'd rather have Dour Davey on the touchline barking instructions rather than Marcel Marceau on a bad batch of crack, like Martinez was.

Dave Abrahams
187 Posted 19/09/2025 at 12:15:21
Steve (185),

There is bleedin' big difference between Jock Stein and Davie Moyes, no matter what adjective you use.

Moyes started life with a wonderful Christian name but doesn't act like a Dave, if I say so myself!

Peter Mitchell
188 Posted 19/09/2025 at 12:39:08
I guess it all depends on the context in which the adjective is used.

On here, generally, adjectives like "dour" are being used in a (highly) pejorative way, to ridicule our manager. As previously stated, no issue with criticism of the manager - that is opinion — but ridicule is not right and actually (for me anyway) detracts from the (sometimes) very good points being made about the actual football, tactics etc.

I genuinely enjoy the debates on here, but can't get past the name-calling thing.

Martin Farrington
189 Posted 19/09/2025 at 13:23:10
Who'd have thought me being told off would lead to great comedy?

Fab comments. I read them a few times because they are genuinely hilarious. Thanks for the uplift, fellas!

Mark Murphy
190 Posted 19/09/2025 at 13:24:21
It’s a sad reflexion on the lack of proper educatiun in Liverpool, Dave.
I went Cuthies in Parr which was dead good clever.
Kevin Molloy
191 Posted 19/09/2025 at 13:48:59
I reckon we will score at least one tomorrow, possibly two.

But it's a makeshift defence, and the centre-mid is patched up. Expect goals at any point.

Raymond Fox
192 Posted 19/09/2025 at 13:51:59
Dave, the names I can never remember to spell I have scribbled dowm on a piece of paper in front of the desktop computer in my case. Doucoure was one of mine.

Your not having Moyes are you Dave.

Paul Hewitt
193 Posted 19/09/2025 at 13:55:38
So you're a Parr lad, Mark?

I was born in Parr. But moved out quite young.

Steve Brown
194 Posted 19/09/2025 at 14:12:56
Dave A, I bow to your judgement on the great man (Jock not Davie). But be careful on your remarks about the manager or Rabid Ryan will blow a gasket again.

Unfortunately, it has mostly been Defeated Davie where the derbies are concerned. Hopefully tomorrow will change that.

Paul Tran
195 Posted 19/09/2025 at 14:13:35
Everton should guarantee me a ticket for our visit there every season. The last three times I've been there, we've won. Pity those years were 1984, 1986 & 1995!

Both teams will cause each other problems tomorrow, it'll be about taking your chances.

I've always been impressed with the fact that in most recent derbies, their players look more consistently up for it than ours. They get how important it is. Let's hope our new boys get it, especially as they are markedly better players than those they replaced.

Dave Abrahams
196 Posted 19/09/2025 at 14:23:59
Peter (188),

Yes, I understand your point of view but let's be honest, Peter, I'd wager he's had more praise than criticism since he came back and why can't you ignore the name-calling and concentrate on the praise? A lot of my name-calling is a little bit of divilment but the criticism is entitlement at times as well.

Let's hope he's blushing with all that praise on Saturday night!

Mark Murphy
197 Posted 19/09/2025 at 15:12:30
Sutton Oak Paul (now the Junction) and I don't blame you!
COYS
Andy Meighan
198 Posted 19/09/2025 at 21:05:51
Dave 177.

Dyche might not have feared them, but he feared every other side we played. A disgrace that a clown like him ever managed a giant like Everton.

The difference between him and Moyes is like chalk and cheese.

Jerome Shields
200 Posted 20/09/2025 at 06:36:31
Dave #187,

Hopefully we get King David today.

Steve O’Shaughnessy
201 Posted 20/09/2025 at 07:28:51
On at 11:30pm in New Zealand which is an unusually good time for us. I can't bring myself to watch though I might change my mind and go to a pub in the city.

Good luck to the team, good luck to the away fans, and I hope we smash the cocky blowhards... Would love it to be over with 20 to go big. I would love a last-minute winner given all their utter bullshit lately.

Tony Abrahams
202 Posted 20/09/2025 at 08:37:49
If the word 'dour' is now a word that expresses ridicule, then I just hope Everton don't ridicule us today!

Watch the game, Steve, have no fear and project positive vibes all the way from New Zealand, mate!

Dave Abrahams
203 Posted 20/09/2025 at 09:43:54
Andy (198), Andy that clown kept us up two years running, the second time with no one running the club after Kenwright and clique of shitpots left the club in limbo, leaving Dyche and Thelwell literally running Everton FC on their Tod.
Steve Brown
204 Posted 20/09/2025 at 10:17:52
Andy @ 198, Sean Dyche saved this club from bankruptcy by keeping us up.

The financial auditors said this in the 2022-23 season:

“Collectively, the above conditions indicate the existence of a material uncertainty that may cast significant doubt about the group's ability to continue as a going concern, The board is confident that funding will be secured or refinanced and that they will be able to achieve the levels of revenue and savings to allow the group to continue in operational existence for a period of 12 months after the date of signing these financial statements.”

If we had been relegated, then this club would have gone out of existence. Love him or hate him, that is the truth.

Mark Murphy
205 Posted 20/09/2025 at 10:18:07
If the pubs are still open after 11.30pm I just might move to New Zealand myself!
Come ON Blues - these are shites these!
Jeff Armstrong
206 Posted 20/09/2025 at 10:31:26
Dyche did a good job in the years he was here, he ran out of steam and basically admitted he could no longer get a tune out of those players, he left at the right time because Moyes came in and did manage to re- motivate those players, luckily for us.

The narrative seems to be turning against Dyche lately, but he did a decent job in really difficult circumstances.

Ernie Baywood
207 Posted 20/09/2025 at 10:32:48
Steve, that's not really the truth though. Like it or not. This club wasn't going out of existence. We were in the shit, but not going out of existence.

And plenty of managers kept us in the top flight before Dyche. We didn't really need a complete refusal to play football to maintain our PL status. The guy who replaced him seemed to prove that point.

Matt Traynor
208 Posted 20/09/2025 at 10:35:08
Steve #201, 19:30 in Manila. I could go out to watch it, but everywhere will be full of "them". So got beers chilling in the fridge, and will watch from home.

I get to see them at BMD next month, for the Palace game. Can't wait.

Peter Moore
210 Posted 20/09/2025 at 10:53:21
You are gonna love Hill Dicko, Matt. 💙

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