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Jay It is interesting on Clattenburg, he has recently admitted he made mistakes and denied the influence of Stevie G. When it happened I had a friend who was a mutual acquintance of Clattenburg and I raged at him, he went to Clattenburg and from his perception Clattenburg seemed genuinely bemused that I or anyone else would think he was biased. I think the thing with the refereeing is that corruption sounds like an orchestrated scheme developed in smoke filled rooms by shadowy figures. But I think a lot of bad refereeing has to do with human weakness and emotion. Put it like this, on one hand you have revered managers e.g. Pep, Wenger, Fergie screaming at you like you\'re an idiot, and superstar players whingeing saying you don\'t know what you\'re doing. That would be very intimidating for an average referee who has none of their real world clout and earns a pittance by comparison. On the other hand you have some journeyman CB, or some mediocre job hopping manager like Alan Pardew making the counter argument, it would be easy to just get overwhelmed and intimidated and if you\'re not 100% sure to buckle to pressure and favor the more powerful figures. And realistically, at high speed from distance from one angle, many decisions are not clear cut in real time. Therefore, these contestable ones tend to favor the powerful because most people are weak. On the other hand, you might get some bloody minded individual who goes the opposite and seems to \"when in doubt\" go against the grain and make the least likely decision, e.g. Clive Thomas. Unfortunately for us, in his case that also counted against us. lol

I’m not totally convinced they fully have it out for us Jonathan, but I do think there is definitely a lot of confirmation bias towards the biggest clubs. I used Webb, as an example to highlight this because if it was only Everton’s crowd that genuinely got to him, closely followed by Stoke, logic tells me that he was talking about certain clubs because we have all seen Liverpool and United, get some very, very favourable decisions over the years on their home pitch. Liverpool conceded more penaltie, at Anfield during the covid season, than they probably have in the five years since and the minute Ferguson left United, Clattenburg gave Liverpool, three penalties in one game at old Trafford. I still think they were out to get us a couple of season before we got our points deduction, and I’m certain I could prove it or at least make a very good case, because some of the decisions that started going against us became very inconsistent, but not so for a few of our opponents during that run in, when a certain Michael Oliver, was in charge

Jay, 36 Spot on. Clattenburg gave one of our players a yellow card. Gerrard got down his ear and he changed it to a red.

Moyes love of all things Preston suggests he’s very keen for him to go back there. As things stands we are squad challenged by injuries. Unless we add to the squad, seems unlikely, then we need him.

A loan move is supposedly to gain experience but given that relegation this season is extremely unlikely then what better experience could he get than staying and playing with us, sending him OUT on loan merely confirms Moyes distrust of youngsters regardless of ability. Experience at the highest level must surely make more sense.