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1 Posted 06/03/2015 at 22:09:49
I had the impression that he didnÂt always get on with his team mates. I could be wrong on this. DonÂt know where it came from but did he and Sharpy have an issue?
2 Posted 06/03/2015 at 22:23:33
Gazza and Beardsley cost the same and we got him.
And for such a supposedly great finisher he was abysmal one-on-one and an awful penalty taker as well. I couldnÂt stand him to be honest.
3 Posted 06/03/2015 at 22:18:10
Still, we finished 4th under Harvey. Imagine that now. HeÂd be lauded. Poor Colin was vilified. Yes, kids Â– for finishing 4th. Sad times.
4 Posted 06/03/2015 at 22:37:34
Never forgave him for his totally biased views and show of disappointment on Sky when we beat West Ham in the Carling Cup in 2007 and were due to play them on the Saturday and and said he ÂhopedÂ West Ham would win!!!
5 Posted 06/03/2015 at 22:29:20
IÂm too young to remember Cottee but a fascinating read.
6 Posted 06/03/2015 at 22:33:38
7 Posted 06/03/2015 at 22:48:18
8 Posted 06/03/2015 at 22:51:10
LukakuÂs situation is very reminiscent of CotteeÂs experience. Top goalscorer who scored a hatful before we signed him struggles in a worsening team and ends up being criticised for not being the complete all-round striker capable of creating his own goals.
9 Posted 06/03/2015 at 22:38:39
I just looked through my memorabilia and I still have the pass, and ticket for the Lower Bullens stand. Strange, some of the stuff you hang on to...
10 Posted 06/03/2015 at 22:53:22
It would seem that the "weÂre all in it together" spirit that typified David MoyesÂs time has been removed and there appears to be a few camps within the whole squad, which is a great shame because that has been traditionally where the core strength of the team has come from. ItÂs a very difficult thing to build and a very easy thing to destroy Â– even if itÂs not intentional.
11 Posted 06/03/2015 at 22:54:53
12 Posted 06/03/2015 at 22:54:45
Pat just got on with it and did his level best. I think he went to Tranmere Rovers later on.
13 Posted 06/03/2015 at 23:13:38
Pretty petty on my part, I admit!! But we beat West Ham on the Saturday too so fuck him!
14 Posted 06/03/2015 at 23:18:24
Most of his goals were when he scored the only goal in a 3-1 defeat. Dont mention ÂsweatÂ and ÂCotteeÂ in the same sentence...
15 Posted 06/03/2015 at 23:29:36
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17 Posted 06/03/2015 at 22:15:43
I have fond memories of Cottee. Obviously he wasnÂt worth the money but then nobody is. When I saw him, he always seemed to do his job, hanging off the last defender and looking to score the goals. His comments regarding money are enlightening, especially given our recent financial straits. I know a lot of fans feel we should be able to succeed despite our finances but a bit of money wouldnÂt hurt.
I know the years he played with us can be looked upon as a disappointment, but I prefer to remember the good times. WhatÂs more the pity is that history seems to be repeating itself with us sliding back towards the bad old days rather than pushing on.
18 Posted 06/03/2015 at 23:07:51
I never really took to Cottee during his time here. If I had to sum him up: Bit of a flat track bully who sported some of the worst Everton kits ever created and looked like a shaved Ewok. TC was always more Benny the Ball than Top Cat to me.
Still, this was a great piece though and youÂve got to love the way Cottee canÂt help but contradict himself:
"My attitude as a goal- scorer was, "I donÂt want to work for the rest of the team"
"I tried my best in every game for Everton".
" I felt that I had let [Colin] down as he had paid a lot of money for me, and put faith in me, but I had not delivered for him..."
"I got the hump because [Jimmy Gabriel] basically said that the players had let Colin down Â– then he picked the team for the next match and I was the only one left out. It made it look like he was disappointed with me which, I thought, was a bit unfair."
No wonder he thought Pat Nevin existed on a different mental plane.
20 Posted 07/03/2015 at 00:21:19
Hmmm, is Lyall still around? All these decades later, his training session ideas are probably considered antique, but worth a go, no?
"I got into the England squad after the 1986 World Cup and I met players from Everton, Liverpool, and Manchester United who were talking about winning trophies. It was becoming a plod at West Ham and that talk was whetting my appetite. Also, having come through the ranks at West Ham I didnÂt think as being fairly rewarded financially. I didnÂt want to leave West Ham but I knew I had to, from a professional point of view, in order to win trophies and get justly rewarded."
These me-first, disloyal, selfish pricks today; Fellaini, Lukaku, Mirallas. Rooney too. Why, back in my day...
21 Posted 06/03/2015 at 23:38:44
From all accounts, there were two cliques back then with mainly Rats and Sharpy leading the "WeÂve won stuff, you havenÂt, so weÂre better" clan. It couldnÂt have helped the team at all with that kind of atmosphere. From what I know, Colin Harvey is a very nice bloke, maybe too nice to manage, but when asked to do it he said "To get a chance to follow the great man himself, how could I say no?" That’s from the History of Everton video, I havenÂt even got a VCR anymore but most of it is committed to memory.
I also remember TC in the local paper talking about Howard asking him to do more and, to be honest, I thought he could have too. ItÂs an old one, Tony son, but there is still no ’I’ in ’team’.
22 Posted 07/03/2015 at 00:48:29
Cottee wasnÂt a bad signing, I think it was unfortunate for him the fee was more than GazzaÂs transfer. I know IÂve thought we signed the wrong big summer signing over the years.
I found the stuff about there being different camps under Harvey and HK 2 interesting. I wonder if weÂll be reading stories about cliques next season about our current set-up?
23 Posted 07/03/2015 at 00:57:11
The only thing I remember is the penalty miss against Chelsea, I knew he would miss because his body language was wrong.
24 Posted 07/03/2015 at 01:52:21
Hope it doesnÂt take 20 years to find out...
25 Posted 07/03/2015 at 01:37:58
The over-riding memory I have of him on a matchday though, is before a ball was ever kicked. As a teenager who would be standing in the Lower Gwladys, right in the middle, where a crush was on about an hour before kick-off, you would be jostling for position at the bar, for the best vantage point, whilst looking to evade the inevitable domino-ing that would bruise your ribs for weeks afterwards. There, you felt you were right at the heart, the blue core of things.
About an hour before kick-off, the players would appear from the BullensRoad / Park End corner, no doubt parking their top-of-the-range orange Ladas behind the Park End and trundling into the ground one-by-one to rapturous applause, diagonalling over the pitch to the dug-out in the Main Stand. I must admit I really enjoyed that; it had a gladiatorial feel about it, like the big guns had just arrived and this was going to get serious. We had big guns then, no mistake.
Sadly though, the last man in the ground was usually our record signing. The man who cost more than anyone else in the league. He would waltz in with boots over his shoulders in a smart suit, flash as you like, soaking up tentative applause and then scuttling down to the dressing rooms, fair play Â– applauding the applause, but was down the tunnel usually seconds before an already sweaty Neville Southall would be out and guarding his warm-up goal like his life depended on it.
I always liked Cottee, I thought he tried his best despite his late entrances, but he was never a ٠million striker. IÂd probably go as far as to say he was Colin HarveyÂs biggest gamble that never paid off. Hopefully in a few years he wonÂt be seen as comparable to Lukaku....
27 Posted 07/03/2015 at 04:37:10
28 Posted 07/03/2015 at 04:51:31
Cottee frustrated the shit out of me. It was around the time IÂd started going to away games regularly. Other commenters are correct Â– one-on-ones he was terrible. His finishing when he didnÂt have time to think about it was often sublime though. I remember all of the games referenced vividly.
At the time, I was made up he turned down Arsenal for us. Finding out two-and-a-half decades later that it was for the money is disappointing, as well as making me feel old.
29 Posted 07/03/2015 at 06:12:18
30 Posted 07/03/2015 at 08:20:48
Does anyone see a similarity here with our current star striker? We never played to Cottee’s strengths and tried to turn him into something that he wasn’t.
Lukaku will never be any good with his back to goal, no matter how young he is. We have to get him on the shoulder of the defender running at the goal.
31 Posted 07/03/2015 at 08:47:52
Interesting how he refers to days before Sky, Twitter etc Â— I think IÂd like those days back?!
٠.05M in 1988 must be about 㿈M now... Imagine having 㿈M to spend on a striker!! (Oh, hang on!!!!)
32 Posted 07/03/2015 at 09:45:05
First one a bit hazy but I remember him as very hot and cold, heÂd be absolutely gash one week then the next bang in a hat-trick when it looked like he should be dropped.
My second one a lot clearer: I was shopping in Liverpool with my then girlfriend in Dorothy Perkins and ended up in a chap-to-chap chat with him about shopping as his Mrs was bringing back a few purchases to be exchanged. He was a nice guy who was bored rigid being dragged around the shops. I was amazed he was about the same size as me and IÂm no giant!
33 Posted 07/03/2015 at 10:09:14
34 Posted 07/03/2015 at 13:51:56
Of our front line, I always felt he was the one capable of getting 20 a season in the league but he was just never consistent enough.
He was a symbol of that period unfortunately. Personally, I think Kendall should have started building for the future in 1985-86; instead, we mostly brought in journeymen who patched the squad over for a year or two.
By 1988, Harvey had an ageing squad mostly lacking in quality with a small group of top players (Ratcliffe, Reid, Sharp, Southall) who were being divisive. If Kendall had brought some quality in earlier, then the transition would have been more gradual. Instead, by 1988, we had four new faces expected to come straight in and gel immediately.
35 Posted 07/03/2015 at 15:30:12
36 Posted 07/03/2015 at 15:34:54
Football was in dire straits as a business during that period of the late 80s and early 90s but we stood still while Arsenal, Liverpool and Manchester United looked forward and, as usual, we missed the boat when it pulled into port and we havenÂt really been able to catch it since.
37 Posted 07/03/2015 at 16:25:35
As for the rushing off the pitch, that was because most weeks he would be on the first train to Euston. Used to see him on there all the time.
38 Posted 07/03/2015 at 18:56:18
Basically he didn't do it when it mattered He wasn't the kind of player you could rely on really. He himself was reliant on service, and so as things unravelled around him he certainly wasn't the inspirational, inspiring figure we needed or that I felt we should have had for the money paid.
Don't get me wrong, he was good at what he did. But I just used to look at Peter Beardsley when he was playing for them and used to shake my head at the vast difference class. There are some parallels with Rom today. I'm not over-sold on him, although he is 15-20, and I believe he has more attributes and effectiveness that Cottee. Plus Rom is cool as ice one v one. But for the money you want a bit more, don't you?
Basically what fan would pay to watch a box player or a holding midfielder? Not many.
As for other issues, the injury to Ratcliffe was a crippler. Kendall, with an eye on the long term, did try to replace Reidy with Snodin, who fitted right in with the clique of senior pro's at the club after contributing minimally to the title win.
There is a disgraceful episode in Graham Sharps book where Snodin, giving it large in front of Sharp etc, digs Beagrie in a hotel room during a post or pre-season tour.
Cottee was there, apparently talk had turned to how the new players felt unwelcome!!!
I just thought Graham Sharp was an arsehole after that section of his book. The senior pro's that had won the medals got lazy, complacant and were on the ale too much. They were the ones who let Harvey down.
In Harveys last full season Graham Sharp got 5 goals.
Unfortunately injuries stacked up on the established pros and the England right side combo left. Colin Harveys signing record was, Keown and Hinchcliffe aside, woeful.
In fact looking at things......im now shitting myself about the present!!!!
39 Posted 07/03/2015 at 19:55:31
40 Posted 07/03/2015 at 20:46:48
41 Posted 07/03/2015 at 23:04:03
I paid the ٟ.50 gate money, watched him score all five goals in a 5 nil win and ran home before my mum caught me!!
42 Posted 07/03/2015 at 23:08:50
43 Posted 07/03/2015 at 18:45:38
In a way it is similar things are happening right now as they were in 1989. We had a good team but had also a manager who liked his players too much. A good person as Tony said but not a very good manager. Sorry Harvey!
44 Posted 08/03/2015 at 02:00:13
Ian at #25 there were no crushes on the Lower Gwladys street an hour before kick off back in the late 80s. I recall the place being pretty deserted til about 2:45 then there'd be a late rush on the turnstiles followed by people jostling for position. Even at kick-off, the ground was half-empty despite our successes.
As for TC I remember being delighted when he chose us over arsenal as at the time he was one of the most prized and sought after names in English football and he chose us. Never really hit the heights as he came just as the decline set in from which we are still trying to recover some 20+ years later.
45 Posted 08/03/2015 at 04:39:05
Whereas TC got hat tricks against lower division sides in cup ties to boost his goals, Lineker banged them in against all comers.
Lineker got as many goals in derbys in one season as Cottee got in 6 seasons for starters.
Cottee's goal ratio may seem more than reasonable, but overall his Everton career has to be viewed as disappointment.
46 Posted 08/03/2015 at 07:24:03
However those of us of slightly more advanced years kept our heads, as we could remember another scintillating debut 6 or 7 seasons earlier from a player who scored on his debut and in the following game.
'2 goals in 2 games - where would it end?' we thought.
Er..3 in 19 and fucked offski.
I give you Alan 'Spike' Biley - 'The new Dennis Law'
On reflection, maybe he was just too easily sidetracked
"There used to be a shop just over a bridge at the back of the ground. They bet me to go to the shop stark naked to buy a Mars bar. There was a lady that always served you. Well, they made you do it with a fiver which was a lot of money in those days. I had to wait for my change but had no where to put it" - Alan Biley.
47 Posted 08/03/2015 at 08:44:09
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51 Posted 11/03/2015 at 21:04:29
Just to let you know that today I received a copy of the marriage certificate for Sarah Unwin and Tom Evans that took place, 1 May 1877, at Clay Cross in Derbyshire. Tom Evans is, at the time, resident in Liverpool.
52 Posted 28/03/2015 at 01:16:06
The surprising thing was that Sharp also felt that Lineker was always looking for a chance to do less, but somehow Sharp didn't have the same sentiments about Cottee! Looks like it comes down a bit to chemistry etc.
For all his inconsistencies (tends to score his goals in bunches rather than consistently Â– and so does Rooney till today), he was still top scorer for those seasons, averaging 15 goals. How many players give us that nowadays?
It probably was too many managers for that period, and also we missed the boat big time (and the years just before that) during those years, when you think about the talent, especially when Liverpool started to blood in all those teenagers that grew up blue.
If we had been able to go upstream and deal with our academy those years while we were winning, we would have gotten ourselves on a roll.
Back to the player himself (Cottee). From his interviews, seems humble enough to learn; in a different era, he might have been a lot more successful.
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