Aston Villa were brilliant and we were beaten by the better side. We do not have a divine right to win every game and the haul of points we have achieved in the past couple of months is better than virtually every other team!
Considering the injuries and poor start to the season, I find the talk of getting rid of Martinez dross in the extreme. We played extra fixtures with a very small squad which was soon depleted further by injuries we could not cope with adequately.
Money is the obstacle between us hitting the heights and treading water. We tactically hammered a very rich Man Utd side last week and this is our first loss for quite a while.
Martinez is not far away from having a decent side if he is allowed to keep our better players and add three new players which must include a real playmaker. But all this is down to the board who hold the purse strings.
Stop this hate campaign against Martinez and get behind him and the team. Aston Villa played really well and Benteke is currently the best striker in the league. Give credit to the team who outplayed us today.
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1 Posted 02/05/2015 at 18:01:33
2 Posted 02/05/2015 at 18:25:53
This Âdivine rightÂ crap is just the most ridiculous excuse apologists come out with for poor performances. Yes, it takes two to tango, but when your players, who you know can perform at a far higher level, produce such a dismal display as in the first half, then having fans justify it with this Âdivine rightÂ stuff, it is sheer bollocks of the highest order.
The fact that we
are were top of the form table only underlines the paucity of both the performance and the result this afternoon. Winning is supposed to breed confidence and generate a better performances, but all the old bad habits returned today, not least the utterly dreadful passing, which is key to whether we play well or not.
Injuries is another lame excuse. There are always injuries. Every season. There were injuries last week; there are injuries this week. Are they a factor in todayÂs performance? No. The exact same team that performed so well last week could have been selected... but it wasnÂt. Injuries? Another nonsense excuse for a bad display and a bad result.
Then you cite extra fixtures and a very small squad? More complete and utter nonsense in the context of todayÂs game! How exactly did those factors play in to our very good recent run? They didnÂt of course. Is it any wonder these apologist contentions create such intolerant responses? Complete garbage.
Next, itÂs the old, tired hackneyed ÂmoneyÂ argument Â— ironically made in the same breath as recognizing how we just gave ÂmoneybagsÂ Man Utd a footballing lesson last week. I can only assume the significance of that juxtaposition is lost on you.
Martinez has a pretty decent side, despite your repeated posts bleating about the lack of players Â— he proved that last season. The key is how he trains them, how he selects them, how he motivates them...
ItÂs not a Âhate campaignÂ when we lose; itÂs a recognition that we lost against a poorer side when everyone and their mother knows we could and should have done one hell of a lot better.
Yes, Villa played better than us on the day. Yes, that happens. If you had elaborated on that point, instead of wheeling out all this other garbage, perhaps it would have some merit. But none of the excuses you cite provide any reasonable justification or explanation for such an abject display of poor football from Everton.
3 Posted 02/05/2015 at 18:17:51
ItÂs happened too many times this season and I canÂt see it being any better next season, getting behind the manager will become increasingly more difficult, heÂ s obviously the wrong man for the job but he could see out his 5 years of mediocrity with BK backing him to the hilt.
4 Posted 02/05/2015 at 18:29:15
5 Posted 02/05/2015 at 18:19:27
MartinezÂs most ardent detractors also said that there was a time and place for attacking the manager and it wasnÂt the right time six games ago because we all had to pull in the same direction to ensure we had a Premier League campaign to look forward to next season.
We have 3 more games left of this campaign and we can look back upon one of the most abject seasonÂs in our recent history, every club has injuries, suspensions and players out of form but generally not for the whole campaign.
EvertonÂs away form is becoming a little concerning, what has happened to being difficult to beat on the road, we lose the first goal and it signals the end in most cases of coming away with at least a point. I could accept that if it was because we were becoming too adventurous but itÂs the opposite we look toothless away from Goodison and very brittle at the back.
Some have bemoaned the fact that RM changed his team today, it shouldnÂt make that much difference if Ross and Leon are on the bench the 11 who started are playing for the club and should show a great deal more pride in doing so than they did this afternoon.
I am still waiting to see if Roberto has a ruthless streak, I donÂt believe he does or at least not in the right way. Personally IÂd bring in a new manager now and not wait until October/November/December because that would be another season wasted, watching Everton chasing shadows and getting nowhere fast.
Martinez accepts defeat too easily and so too do some of the squad, itÂs fine winning the odd game against one of the big boys but beating the lower half teams regularly takes a lot more graft and thought than was on show today or indeed for much of this season.
6 Posted 02/05/2015 at 18:27:35
ÂBad startÂ, ÂGet behind the teamÂ, Âvirtually better than every teamÂ, Martinez out talk dross in the extremeÂ, Âno divine right to win the gameÂ, Âextra fixturesÂ
I totally, catagorically and completely disagree with everything written here. Even discussing the reasons why would be a total waste of time and effort to be honest. What a load of garbage. Villa were the better team yes, but my God, the excuses here are painfully desperate.
6 games are apparently the real barometer of this season. This and the 28 games before were simply unfortunate blips that we simply have to accept as being Âa bad startÂ? Unbelievable.
I respect your faith in Martinez, but this piece is so desperate and delusional it actually strengthens the case to get rid of him. The words ÂOutplayed by Aston VillaÂ IÂd say is total proof.
7 Posted 02/05/2015 at 18:41:31
The evidence and case against him? Just look at this season as a whole, his delusional ramblings qnd this shower of shite today.
ItÂs desperate, itÂs delusional and itÂs an acceptance of 2nd best and mediocrity, all out of blind faith. Apparently Sunday was Âthe corner being turnedÂ. Well this is the reverting to type and sums up this season completely. We got battered by a side that could still be relegated. And we should just accept it?
IÂm sorry, I wonÂt and I definitely will not join the desperate pretence of this season being an unfortunate fluke.
8 Posted 02/05/2015 at 18:45:04
YouÂll forgive me, I hope, If I take your current promise of jam tomorrow (Âback to our best next seasonÂ) with an ample bag of salt. I can understand you telling yourself that, as it must feel reassuring... but how can you even begin to know which Martinez we will have next season?
9 Posted 02/05/2015 at 18:53:46
10 Posted 02/05/2015 at 18:51:23
I wasnÂt talking about this game, Michael, I was talking about my belief that we have improved recently and, I firmly believe, we will be a lot better next season.
11 Posted 02/05/2015 at 18:56:16
A brave piece to post after a performance like the one we witnessed today. However, I do feel it is slightly misguided.
I was about to respond on the match day thread (to, I believe it was Joe who made the first comment here) regarding the claims that there is some sort of ÂMartinez cultÂ who believe that a belated run of better results magically erases all the shite that came before. However, the point I was going to make can also be made to yourself and anyone else claiming that people with warranted criticisms are conducting a Âhate campaignÂ against the manager.
Why is there the need to draw some invisible line in the sand and say those who donÂt see things the same way are shooting the football club in the foot? Whether that be by, supposedly, accepting second rate performances from a managerial meff or failing to offer sufficient support and stand behind Âthe boysÂ no matter what.
No-one on here is a Martinez booster/berater first and then an Evertonian second. The club and itÂs results are always the most important thing. If we win a few games, worries and criticisms will naturally abate. Lose a few and such concerns come sharply back into focus. ItÂs just the way of the footballing world. ItÂs not about planting flags and refusing to be moved from a pre-determined mindset.
IÂve moaned about Martinez plenty, but IÂve also defended the man when IÂve felt criticism to be undeserved, premature or personal. Does that mean IÂm contradicting myself, because itÂs starting to feel like choosing a side and point scoring on here is becoming almost as important as THE side and the points theyÂre playing for.
12 Posted 02/05/2015 at 18:57:54
TIM HOWARD: Out of step with his improved levels of late. Worryingly indecisive on crosses and weak kicking. Score 5
LEIGHTON BAINES: Toiled endlessly but was way off his best. Partly culpable for Villa's opener and failed to add much going forward. Score 5
PHIL JAGIELKA: Not the way Everton's Player of April will have wanted to start May. Shaky for Villa's first two goals, and struggled to contain Christian Benteke. Still, provided some vital blocks and intelligent distribution, plus the late goal that provided a shaft of hope. Score 6
JOHN STONES: No glaring errors and made every attempt to build on his colossal United display but had a steep learning curve with Benteke's powerful display in the first half. Score 6
SEAMUS COLEMAN: Didn't get forward enough and failed to make much of an impact on the game. Score 5
JAMES McCARTHY: Another who found it impossible to recapture his best from last weekend. Out worked by Delph and out thought by Grealish. Score 5
GARETH BARRY: Sluggish, ineffective and his lack of pace was cruelly exposed by Thomas Cleverley for Villa's third goal. Score 4
AARON LENNON: Provided the usual workrate and improved in the second half but overall didn't create any chances and won't include this in the DVD showreel to persuade Martinez to make his stay permanent. Score 5
STEVEN NAISMITH: Restored to the starting line-up for the first time in almost two months but looked rusty and subdued. The Scot has gone backwards since signing his new contract in December. Score 4
KEVIN MIRALLAS: Poor. Little of his usual cut and thrust and criminally lacked commitment Â– not least when hurdling 50/50 challenges. Score 4
ROMELU LUKAKU: Lost the battle of the Belgians conclusively but still dispatched his penalty with aplomb and was responsible for some of the more positive moments after the break. Score 5
LEON OSMAN (for Naismith 75): Brought his usual calm and composure to period of revival which almost threatened to pinch a point. Probably should have started. Score 7
ROSS BARKLEY (for Mirallas 75): More dynamic than those he replaced and tried to make Everton more direct. Score 7
13 Posted 02/05/2015 at 19:06:34
14 Posted 02/05/2015 at 19:05:37
15 Posted 02/05/2015 at 19:18:13
16 Posted 02/05/2015 at 19:16:20
The cruel facts are that we were flattered by the result. The manager has claimed that it is hard to continue on what they did to Man Utd. He changed the team. and the formation. I thought he would try to play on the counter again, as we all know Villa needed the win. Although IÂm sure Sherwood would have a plan having seen what we did to the Mancs.
Martinez also failed to get his players "up" for the game. They were on a good run, confidence was high and flip-flops and sun cream should not have been on their minds.
We have papered over the cracks recently. Howard still doesnÂt command his area, and catch high balls. Stones (despite high praise from his boss) still makes mistakes, and the shambles between him and Barry, for one of the goals, was as daft as Jags being caught under a high ball again leaving Baines to jump with a man 6 inches taller. Usual outcome.
Lukaku scored a penalty, but did his best to fuck it up. Mark my words, Baines is out of favour. Lukaku was so poor first half, and his compatriot Mirallas is not someone I would want in the trenches with me.
Champions League Â– my arse.
17 Posted 02/05/2015 at 20:01:44
Would those be the extra games we had to play by going on decent cup runs in the League Cup and FA Cup? Ah, hang on... erm... mmm.
As for smashing Man Utd due to some tactical genius by Martinez. IÂd just remind you that Man Utd are far from the team they once where. In fact, they just lost at home to West Brom Â– their third defeat on the spin. In fact one of the biggest mysteries in the league this year is how the fuck Man Utd are in 4th place!
Villa were the better side but the people calling for the manager to leave are not basing this on one game Â– they are basing it on the last 9 months.
18 Posted 02/05/2015 at 23:26:13
Martinez's tactical nous does not deserve a zero rating.
19 Posted 02/05/2015 at 23:42:06
They werenÂt my ratings Â– they were from Greg OÂKeefe in the Echo. Hard to believe, I know - but IÂd tend to agree with your assessment. How can a team go from a five-star performance to a zero-star performance in less than a week?
IÂm still not sure the team are playing for Martinez at all. If you also see what has happened at Villa with Sherwood, in contrast to how they were performing with Lambert, it makes you wonder if player power is at work more often than weÂd like to believe.
Also, look at the bright-eyed bushy-tailed Martinez that arrived at Goodison nearly two years ago and compare that to the one who stood on the touchline at Villa Park today.
20 Posted 03/05/2015 at 01:34:39
21 Posted 03/05/2015 at 01:52:55
As for ÂBrilliantÂ well thatÂs as maybe. Not only did we make them look ÂbetterÂ, we were so piss-poor collectively and Individually, there may have been two that couldÂve brushed their fingers on Âquiet to averageÂ if they stood on tip toe... well on reflection, maybe youÂre right, they were brilliant Â– compared to us!
Three things come to mind:
1) I would begrudge even 10 games next season.
2) IÂm glad I didnÂt lose my much-needed beauty sleep staying up to watch it. So I set the recorder.
3) It turned out it wasnÂt needed, I woke up in good time to watch the replay at 7:30am. Boy was I fuming when I found that Foxtel in their wisdom, had over run the NASCAR from Alabama or some such place and I had to sit there for 30 mins.
This amounted to 33 cars tailgating each other whilst circling an oversized roundabout at 170 mph... Yippee! and you know what. It was more exciting.
22 Posted 03/05/2015 at 02:32:19
To quote Henry Root..."YouÂre either labouring under a massive misapprehension or youÂre an ingenious hoaxer"!
Our performance today was abysmal. Any team would have looked good against us to be honest.
Everton remind me of a kiddies' team where you can tolerate inconsistency at a young age. However, once you get to the U-14/ U-15s age group one expects a certain maturity that delivers a consistent level of play.
Everton, despite the fact they are big boys, continually dish up inconsistent performances which quite frankly, is totally unacceptable at this level.
24 Posted 03/05/2015 at 10:45:26
IÂm disillusioned at the minute, but IÂm sure itÂs with football in general, even though IÂm sick to the back teeth of the lies and the assessment that Everton is a well run club?
People will get behind the manager if the team is at least trying to give the fans what they want to see. I love good football but have never thought that possession for the sake of it is better than penetration, and a team looking to score goals.
I think everyone wants to get behind Martinez, even the people who hate him. Show him what "real penetration is maybe"? Only a joke of course, but we canÂt go on watching a team that thinks possession is better than scoring goals. Surely?
25 Posted 03/05/2015 at 11:58:51
Also, there is quite a difference between a "hate campaign", and thinking that Martinez is a poor coach who isnÂt fit to manage our club.
26 Posted 03/05/2015 at 12:07:59
The problem is: "fool me once then shame on you, fool me twice then shame on me." As soon as we got to 40 points, the tippy-tippy nonsense is brought back in. The players might take a chunk of the blame for playing with their flip-flops on, but why as a manager do you allow a lack of desire and effort to become acceptable?
The current crop of players are far more comfortable playing quick and direct on the counter, how weÂve been performing best recently. Why change it for anything other than an ego trip, based on this continental based philosophy of footballing utopia? In plain non-phenomilalised English, it doesnÂt work!
27 Posted 03/05/2015 at 10:53:19
I mention this because, if correct, you Â– possibly uniquely on TW Â– possess a genuine insight into the inner workings and dynamics of a professional football club.
Now I appreciate you played in a different era which cannot compare directly to the multi-million pound professionalism of todayÂs PL, but I think itÂs fair to say expectancy and demands on the performance and professionalism of players and coaching staff alike in your era were still high.
I mention this because, presuming your very intimate and personal experience of a professional clubÂs dressing room, IÂm interested to know the dynamics and mind set of manager and players alike, particularly at this time of the season.
Personally, I think itÂs a nonsense when, as many like to claim, a manager Âhas lost the changing room,Â or a player or managerÂs Âbody language shows he hasnÂt a clue/doesnÂt want to play for the managerÂ (delete where applicable). ItÂs pure speculation, IMO.
This recent article on the Beeb seemingly supports my view:
In the article, a current player totally refutes the notion a manager loses the dressing room or that players deliberately play badly to get him sacked, or donÂt play to orders.
In the very final paragraph in the article, the player states: "When a side is performing badly, it is rarely down to just the manager, and thatÂs something people would do well to remember when they are wondering who to blame."
All of which rather undermines to a degree the view of many on TW about RM, his relationship with his players and who to blame for this disappointing season.
Anyway, my question to you, Trevo,r is: In your experience, at this end of the season, do players and managers alike, particularly those safe in mid-table with nothing to play for or at risk (other than next seasonÂs contract, perhaps)... do they lose the intensity they may have displayed at other times in the season when more is riding on the games?
Superficially, many would presume the answer is ÂYesÂ with Newcastle a current prime example of such an attitude, although there are many mitigating circumstances in that example.
If that is the case, then... who should be the chief motivator to ensure that doesnÂt happen? That intensity, concentration, application, performance, desire Â– professionalism, if you will Â– doesnÂt fall away, at any time of the season?
Yes, each player should have their own professional pride and motivation... but, as we have all experienced in life, be it at school, home, in the work place, wherever, there are always slackers who will happily let others do the work for them unless given a boot up the backside. And mostly that comes from the voice of authority, in the case of a football club, the manager.
IÂd be genuinely interested to hear your insights Trevor. Cheers!
28 Posted 03/05/2015 at 12:48:09
Excuses, excuses... thatÂs what weÂve had all season from our "messiah" and we donÂt need to be patronised by you also excusing one of the worst seasons of football in recent memory. I, along with many others, have been driven to distraction by the idiotic managerial decisions & comments, abysmal playing style, and complete lack of excitement displayed this season.
"Benteke is currently the best striker in the league"?? Are you kidding me?? Benteke is a half-decent player who has done nothing for most of the season (granted he was injured early on) and has played okay for the last couple of games. He is the main striker of a team languishing at the lower ends of the league who has struggled to score most of the season. Next you will be saying we suffered at the hands of one of the great midfielders of our generation in Cleverley!! FFS.
This season canÂt be excused because we donÂt have much money; it can be explained by a manager who is tactically inept, canÂt motivate a team, canÂt leave a winning side alone, and seems to think we fans will put up with any old shite he cares to utter. By saying he half-expected this performance, he should be sacked on the strength of that alone, aside from all the mind-numbing boring pointless excitement-free football we have witnessed for most of the season. Maybe the Board have been allowed to be so apathetic because of fans like you, Trevor, who are prepared to accept poor to mediocre football and make pathetic attempts of excuses to defend that shite when other fans dare to speak out against it.
We demand far better than what we have witnessed this season and we donÂt require an apologist like yourself to try and mask the obvious truths which is this is just not good enough. We other fans are not stupid or blind, we donÂt need any propaganda like the drivel you have posted.
29 Posted 03/05/2015 at 13:12:52
The real question should be: How do we get better?
We need the board and the manager to show some ambition. But will they? Sadly I very much doubt it
30 Posted 03/05/2015 at 14:22:35
Kenwright seems quite happy to finish mid-table and to go along with the utter crap that comes out of our brain-dead manager's mouth every week.
31 Posted 03/05/2015 at 19:00:07
32 Posted 03/05/2015 at 19:34:45
33 Posted 03/05/2015 at 20:26:27
34 Posted 04/05/2015 at 05:00:49
We, on the other hand, were desperate, we defended poorly, we were unforgivably careless with our passing and we offered very little attacking threat (any of this sound familiar?) The biggest disappointment was our managerÂs lack of ideas. Everyone could see the Villa players were working harder and that the game was slipping away, but he did nothing Â– not until it was too late anyway.
I do wish people would avoid using the word ÂhateÂ. It seems to be creeping into so many threads. IÂve been a long time critic of Martinez, but "hate" him???
Roberto Martinez is a charming man, his overly positive public persona can be tiresome, but I would love to sit with him and have a few beers. ItÂs not a "hate campaign", Trevor. Many people think heÂs out of his depth, thatÂs why they are calling for him to be removed.
Evertonians in my experience are realistic. They know we are not going to win the league, but they would like us to be competing at the right end of the table and they do expect to be entertained from time to time. One entertaining performance against the Mancs cannot disguise the fat that we have been a desperately miserable watch in at least 30 of the other 34 games.
Some people are spending everything they have to follow this team. At what stage do you think itÂs alright for them to say ÂenoughÂ?
35 Posted 04/05/2015 at 06:38:22
Villa were given a two-goal lead by a team incapable of coming from behind. They took advantage very well. They had a commanding centre-half and centre-forward and two midfielders happy to go forwards.
Brilliant? No. Did the basics well? Yes. And we didnÂt. ThatÂs what concerns me as itÂs happening regularly.
36 Posted 04/05/2015 at 06:40:52
37 Posted 04/05/2015 at 07:47:52
Lukaku always benefits from having a strike partner, all that was abandoned against Villa and we got battered again, a familiar story.
38 Posted 04/05/2015 at 12:09:41
As much as I like to fantasize about us scoring for fun and winning games, the harsh reality is we havenÂt looked like a decent football side for most of the season. Unless we get some decent players in the summer, how is Martinez going to turn this around?
How he can trust this set of players again next season?
39 Posted 04/05/2015 at 12:57:40
It is very easy to fix this team. A new keeper, a creative deep-lying midfielder, and a real Number 10 and weÂd be fine. Martinez seems determined to create the most boring Everton side imaginable though. McCarthy, Barry & Naismith are just like watching paint dry.
Who actually wrote out a team sheet and thought Âthat will be a good midfield threeÂ? ItÂs a joke... any idiot can look at that and see they couldnÂt create a goal between them if they played all day.
40 Posted 04/05/2015 at 13:09:28
I hear now that we are being linked with Sully Muntari who plays for the worst Milan team in living memory and is 30 years old. Along with being linked with Charlie Austin and Tom Cleverly I think that this is the last straw. We have already got half a dozen old or not good enough players on our books please donÂt buy anymore.
I really think that we are doomed to mid-table mediocrity unless something really radical happens. I feel sorry for the younger supporters who will probably never witness the great Everton teams that I have been lucky enough to see.
41 Posted 04/05/2015 at 13:40:41
All season weÂve been told by the players as well basically to stop moaning because weÂre not going to relegated. Every aspect of the club other than the fans are a disgrace.
42 Posted 04/05/2015 at 17:51:07
44 Posted 07/05/2015 at 22:27:22
No one, and I mean no one, wants Martinez to fail because while he struggles it means the team isnÂt winning enough games and no one wants that do they? We all want to be winning games. Obviously it cant happen to any side but I think you get my gist.
Trevor, while I normally respect your views it looks like categorically youÂve been run out of town on this one. And I'd strongly urge you to read Dave Ganley's excellent post (28) which got it just about spot on. IÂm no Martinez hater, I just canÂt stand losing and then listening to the drivel that pours from his mouth.
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