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Once a Blue, always a Blue

On the weekend of Wayne Rooney's intended reappearance in a Blue shirt I was thinking what would be a fitting way to greet him and not spoil Big Dunc's day.

I personally would like the supporters to come up with a song based on the theme "Once a Blue, always a Blue" not only to remind Rooney of the difference between him and Dunc but to remind our younger players, including John Stones, what it means to play for this club and supporters.

I would hope that the event is not turned into a "Rooney" hate show even though I think the guy has no class or scruples.

What do you think would be fitting for the occasion?

Jay Harris     Posted 31/07/2015 at 16:18:25

Celebrating our major trophies

From time to time, I go and see how the official Everton website looks, and today I noticed something that I hadn't spotted before. Included in the list of Major Honours is: First place in Second Division 1931.

Now, I'm interested to find out how many Toffeewebers think that it really should be included in the "major honours" list? Or is it more appropriate to be listed as one of the club's "other honours"?

Also, I think that list of Everton's major honours (lets say, represented with silhouettes of trophies and numbers within them) should have a place on the main website page (or in the page before the main page). Is this another failure of the club's marketing department? Or maybe it's possible that I'm somehow wrong to think this?

ps: And why didn't Everton win at least the Liverpool County Senior Cup last season? Put out the U21 team and win it!
Ognjen Mojovic     Posted 30/07/2015 at 17:28:53

Kitbag

So I had a few minutes to spare today and the need for a new 2015-16 Everton jersey. I went to the Official Club Website and had a good look around and had to admit that I liked some of the items. I was preparing to buy them online when it struck me that Everton has a commercial deal with Kitbag and I probably should go and look on there as well. The whole Kitbag deal has been discussed on these pages so I was interested in seeing the reality.

The reality is that... unless I am completely useless at navigating t'internet (and I'm generally not), the benefit to Everton FC of its commercial deal with Kitbag appears to be proportionate to the benefit of an ejector seat in a helicopter.

Kitbag has no 2015-16 Everton team stock on sale on their website. None. Zilch. Zippo.

Amazed, but not surprised, I went searching for what I could buy from Kitbag in the way of Everton kit from last year. Turns out that, if I'm not a) a baby; b) a child; c) a woman; d) a very small man.... then the answer is nothing.

Sure, if I wanted to get an Everton mug, mousepad, ball or personalised white tee-shirt, I'm quids in. Positively knee deep in souvenier shit that they can't flog. But, a matchday shirt for a grown man... nope.

There are 95 items related to EvertonFC on Kitbag (as compared to Man City 543 and Chelsea 488). When you navigate to the Football Kits page, we aren't even included on the list of teams. You need to drill down lower to even see that Kitbag sells our stuff.

The main point of this poorly formatted and badly syntaxed post is that it is just another piece of evidence that our Commercial team are inept. Posters from our Asian trip reported recently about the paucity of our commercial representation when compared with our opponents Arsenal. We are sponsored by a Far East beer company to the tune of less than 10% what Man Utd gain annually from their main sponsors. Kitbag couldn't even be arsed getting any of our new stock in... or, if they have, it's significantly delayed.

Without hiring staff with proper business and marketing expertise, we gain millions less income from commercial revenue streams than even those clubs in the lower sections of the Premier League.
Scott Montgomery     Posted 28/07/2015 at 16:55:46

Heitinga talking about Everton

John Heitinga has returned to Ajax – where it looks he will not be in the starting 11, incidentally. I read a four-page interview with him over the weekend and he said some things about Everton.

To be fair to the lad, I could imagine that, from his perspective, he wasn't too happy about the way he left Everton and being on the bench in his last year or so. Even if this was the case, he didn't mention it in the interview and was very positive about the club.

He was thankful to have played for Everton. He called Moyes a magnificent person, a true people manager who was excellent at motivating players. The next bit surprised me the most. Under Martinez, Heitinga got only one league game before he was shipped off to Fulham. But Heitinga says he was most impressed by Martinez, and tips the reader to keep an eye on him as he will have a very successful training career for sure.

For reference, Johnny wasn't too happy with the training methods of Magath at Fulham, who he compared to a drill sergeant. He also was negative about his experience at Berlin where the coach was only concerned with statistics like the distance a player ran during the match. He wasn't positive about all his experiences abroad, but he was raving about Everton. Nice to read.
Erik Dols     Posted 27/07/2015 at 07:32:32

"Players in the shade'"

The recent Players in the Shade article had a couple of mentions of this match which has just been put onto the Everton Research data site. I thought it might jog a few memories.


RED STAR GAVE GOODISON CROWD A SOCCER TREAT

October 24, 1957. The Liverpool Echo

Ranger’s Notes

Everton’s first floodlit game against a Continental side, the forerunner of many to come in future seasons, provided some extremely entertaining football, and if most of it came from the visitors, that was of no great consequence. The main thing is that the spectators did not feel their evening wasted, despite Everton turning out a team containing five reserves and having to do a lot of abortive chasing of Red Shadows. It was a good thing for the home side that they were able to field their first team men at full back and centre half. Even such experienced players as Donovan, Tansey and Jones had their hands full against the speedy, tricky and constantly interchanging, Red Star inside forwards. The visitors tactical ideas have probably given Chief Coach Ian Buchan something to ponder over Centre forward Toplak, was rarely leader of the attack.

He held a roving commission, foraging part of his time as a deep-lying centre forward, taking excursions to the wing, having a go, at half back, sometimes even as a full back, and acting as a general factotum and instigator of a stream of attacks. Kostic had a somewhat similar mission, though he stuck more the middle of the field and sowed the seeds of damage from a less extensive area. His ball control was amazing as indeed, was that of practically all the visitors whether forwards or defenders. They could get Everton running the wrong way with almost effortless ease. Kostic was the nearest approach I have seen to Stefano or Puskas but it was Cokic who finished off the moves from the inside right perth. Cokic got all three Red Star goals, every one of them a beauty.

Defensive Tactics

The wingers were not as dangerous as I had expected while at full-back I was disappointed not to get another view of the veteran Stankovic, a brilliant defender. Although no announcement was made of the change, or of the one at outside left. Tomic came in for Stankovic who was not fit. The Yugoslavia defensive tactics were also somewhat different from our normal set-up, for the wing halves took it in turn to keep in line abreast with the two backs and centre half making a rearguard of four whenever there was any threat of danger. Ashworth got both Everton’s goals the second a minute from the finish. Though in each case he had to thank Hickson for carving out the opening, Ashworth took the chances well particularly the first goal when he rammed the ball home down a very narrow angle after dribbling round the goalkeeper. Considering what they were up against the younger Evertonians brought into the side had no reason to be ashamed of their performance.

While wing halves King and Gannon had more on their plates than they could cope with they struck to their task with grim determination and Thomas was always pegging away hopefully until he was injured. Gauld took his place in the second half and contributed some lively runs. Everton’s best shots – there were few of note –came from Jimmy Harris. It used to be said years ago that the Continentals were all right up to the penalty area but no good at shooting. Red Star proved that is not so in their case. Their shooting was strong and usually accurate. If they had regarded this less as an exhibition game and gone all out for goals, instead of demonstrating how clever they could be and how well they could dribble in confined space the result might have been very different. But, taken generally, it was a very satisfactory game all round, and the 32,405 spectators saw something to remember.

Old Colleagues

Manager Cliff Britton, whose Preston North End team on Saturday entertains that which he formerly managed at Goodison Park may have the two former Everton players, Mayers and Farrell in his attack depending on whether Tommy Thompson is able to play or not. At the moment Thompson is doubtful. A leg injury received a fortnight ago caused him to miss last week’s game at Sunderland and though he is making steady progress, he is not yet thoroughly right. Farrell deputized for him last week, and gave quite a useful display. Mayers has already played five games for Preston, three at outside right and two at outside left. He too, has been playing promisingly. Tom Finney absent on international duty last week will lead the attack. Fielding, Temple, and Meagan will all be fit for the visit to Preston, but Rea is doubtful. His instep is not yet right and rather than take any chances Everton could bring in King. Thomas injury last night was to a muscle behind the knee and he may need rest for some days.

THE SHOOTING STARS OF YUGOSLAVIA…

October 24, 1957. The Liverpool Daily Post

Everton 2, Red Star (Yugoslavia) 3
By Leslie Edwards

This was no match. It was an exhibition of the good things of football by Red Star. Red Star, who have yet to win their first League match of the season in seven starts. Red Star, the anything but Slavish artists with a football; men who recalled the traditional Scottish style, but with important extras –tremendous speed, on occasion, and shooting so punchy and dangerous one wonders where they get the reputation for doing everything right in midfield and nothing right near goal. Some of their shots (and particularly the three with which inside-right Cokic got a wonderful hat-trick) were much too well hit, too well directed for Dunlop.

I would say that the allegation that there are no shooting Red Stars is one of the greatest fallacies of soccer. They surprised the travelling Yugoslav journalist who sat next to me by the venom and regularity of their drives. This dark-visaged gentleman vouchsafed the information that he cared for Everton as far back as 25 years ago meaning that he was one of their fans in Yugoslavia! I wish I could say I cared for Everton last night, but I cannot. And not only for the reason that their play was pedestriantly poor compared with the others. I had to give away one of the 10s 6d tickets, I kind friend obtained for me. No one wanted to pay 10 s 6d to see the mixed middling Everton X1 which took the field…and I don’t blame them.

Token Resistance

A match between two Red Stars at Goodison, would produce a record gate. The pity was that Everton were so weakened as to offer only token opposition, hard as they tried to match the brilliance of opponents who brought more than one breath of freshness into the stereotyped methods of which we see so much. They ankled the ball; they inched it here and there; they back-heeled it and then rolled it forwards though it were tried to the bottom of their boots; they always seemed to have time to do what they “wanted-and space. But some of their movers were the closet combined operations we have seen on the ground since Hughie Gallacher was around. They passed Everton defenders as though they did not exist; the greatest artist of them all, the blonde Kostic took the crowd’s fancy from the start.

One wonders what a player like this might fetch in our market? He had size, power, wonderful control of the ball at speed or even when merely dawdling through and his second half, from a standing start (and with his back to goal) was quite the most captivating thing of a game full of Red Star captivations. That Dunlop sensed the move and flung himself to the goal angle to put the ball away for a corner was masterly. Though the margin, thanks to two goals to Young Ashworth (playing his first game for the Everton seniors) could not have been more narrow the effort Everton had to make compared with their strolling-player opponents was prodigious. Hickson had a hand in both Everton goals, the second of which came right at the end when everyone had seemed satisfied that Red Star would safely hold their 3-1 margin.

Remarkable Goals

They were all remarkable goals, Cokic (all the ics are pronounced as itches) got his first direct from a hugh clearance from hand by the all black Beara. The ball’s bound helped to beat Jones and Cokic instead of running the ball in half-volleyed it to the dismay of Dunlop. This goal came at five minutes. at the half-hour Hickson put up a lovely through pass for Ashworth to run on to, Beara came out Ashworth rounded him and with the goalkeeper far from home and the shooting aperture dreadfully narrow the youngster hit the cross-shot into an empty net. But five minutes before the interval a lovely down-the-middle move by Red Star produced a second for Cokic. Again he took it well. This time he damaged a shoulder. Jimmy Gauld replaced Thomas (who took a severe first-half knock close on the interval) but even Gauld’s characteristically enlivening influence could not stave off that third and hat-trick goal by Cokic.

But it was the effervesced not, Kostic who more than once almost walked the ball single-handed through the entire Everton defence who made the score possible. He had weaved through to have his shot charged down when Cokic seized the ball and half-volleyed it home. It took some uncompromising defence by Tom Jones, who had to bear the severity of Red Star’s fantastically good inside trio to prevent Kostic from sailing through to goals which would have brought down the house – as many of the 32,405 people present would have liked to acclaim football of such standard from their own side. Perhaps the game’s greatest move was a Red Star one, second half, down the right wing which ended with the right-back. Tomic –who is only 18 –crossing a ball from which Kostic made a stunning hook shot which flew just wide of goal. What a goal that would have been!

Expert Tactics

If we could see this sort of football week by week we should never tire of it. It is useless saying that our football is the more direct; the more effective. The Yugoslavian principle is that it is better to arrive than to travel hopefully. They posses themselves of the ball and being experts at placing their body between it and the tackle they want an awful lot of dispossessing. To rate them properly one must forget their dismal League record this season and recall that they were champions the previous two seasons and European Cup semi-finalists a year ago. Most of them are students Beara is an electrician and not a ballet dancer, as he has often been described. Outside-right, Mitic is a journalist. He would be able to send home good reports of the team as a whole, despite the fact that Donovan did everything to get shackies on outside left Durkovic a reserve. If Red Star are bottom of the Yugoslav League table, one may well ask what sort of team leads? I would like to see them play, and so, I don’t doubt would thousands who were captivated by Red Star’s easy nonchalant, almost impudent football in so many department last night.

Beara’s Class

Here is a team of eleven very good controllers of the ball big men, good sportsmen, good headers, good tacticians. It would be difficult to praise them too highly. Beara showed his class, it was Dunlop who was always in the greater peril. Ashworth’s second goal made by Hickson, made him leap for joy. Odd that both he and Thomas, both making their home –debuts under lights should each score twice. But I fear Ashworth must now return to Central League football for further polish. King looked the best of the Reserves brought in, but with Meagan and company missing and Fielding out of the attack, Everton’s progress was too laboured too obvious.

If I am not mistaken it would take a combined force of the best of Everton and Liverpool to match Red Star and make them knuckle down to their real game. A pity we could not have had a stronger Everton, I fear the 30,000 mark is not going to be topped often unless people can be sure when buying their stand tickets that the full might of Everton is almost certainly going to be on view.

RED STAR GAVE GOODISON CROWD A SOCCER TREAT

October 24, 1957. The Liverpool Echo

Ranger’s Notes

Everton’s first floodlit game against a Continental side, the forerunner of many to come in future seasons, provided some extremely entertaining football, and if most of it came from the visitors, that was of no great consequence. The main thing is that the spectators did not feel their evening wasted, despite Everton turning out a team containing five reserves and having to do a lot of abortive chasing of Red Shadows. It was a good thing for the home side that they were able to field their first team men at full back and centre half. Even such experienced players as Donovan, Tansey and Jones had their hands full against the speedy, tricky and constantly interchanging, Red Star inside forwards.

The visitors tactical ideas have probably given Chief Coach Ian Buchan something to ponder over Centre forward Toplak, was rarely leader of the attack. He held a roving commission, foraging part of his time as a deep-lying centre forward, taking excursions to the wing, having a go, at half back, sometimes even as a full back, and acting as a general factotum and instigator of a stream of attacks. Kostic had a somewhat similar mission, though he stuck more the middle of the field and sowed the seeds of damage from a less extensive area. His ball control was amazing as indeed, was that of practically all the visitors whether forwards or defenders. They could get Everton running the wrong way with almost effortless ease. Kostic was the nearest approach I have seen to Stefano or Puskas but it was Cokic who finished off the moves from the inside right perth. Cokic got all three Red Star goals, every one of them a beauty.

Defensive Tactics

The wingers were not as dangerous as I had expected while at full-back I was disappointed not to get another view of the veteran Stankovic, a brilliant defender. Although no announcement was made of the change, or of the one at outside left. Tomic came in for Stankovic who was not fit. The Yugoslavia defensive tactics were also somewhat different from our normal set-up, for the wing halves took it in turn to keep in line abreast with the two backs and centre half making a rearguard of four whenever there was any threat of danger. Ashworth got both Everton’s goals the second a minute from the finish. Though in each case he had to thank Hickson for carving out the opening, Ashworth took the chances well particularly the first goal when he rammed the ball home down a very narrow angle after dribbling round the goalkeeper.

Considering what they were up against the younger Evertonians brought into the side had no reason to be ashamed of their performance. While wing halves King and Gannon had more on their plates than they could cope with they struck to their task with grim determination and Thomas was always pegging away hopefully until he was injured. Gauld took his place in the second half and contributed some lively runs. Everton’s best shots – there were few of note –came from Jimmy Harris. It used to be said years ago that the Continentals were all right up to the penalty area but no good at shooting. Red Star proved that is not so in their case. Their shooting was strong and usually accurate.

If they had regarded this less as an exhibition game and gone all out for goals, instead of demonstrating how clever they could be and how well they could dribble in confined space the result might have been very different. But, taken generally, it was a very satisfactory game all round, and the 32,405 spectators saw something to remember.


Patrick Murphy     Posted 26/07/2015 at 21:20:16

First-team selection

There are a few doubtful ones (Stones and Mirallas) but our most likely first eleven going into the new season might look something like this:

Howard
Coleman Jagielka Stones Baines
Barry McCarthy
Mirallas Cleverley Deulofeu
Lukaku

Added to this, the bench might look something like this: Robles, Naismith, Osman, Besic, Barkley, Galloway, Oviedo.

The problem with this first team is as follows:

Firstly, there are three players who are nearly identical (Cleverley, Barry and McCarthy) and combined would contribute not more than 5-6 goals for the season. And as we learned last season, having so many defensive players has not stopped other teams scoring against us.

Secondly, this team has three players which do more harm than good to the team

  • Howard: He has been a good servant of the club but by sticking with him RM is putting more pressure on back four, meaning Baines and Coleman are unable get forward.
  • Barry: He's too slow for comfort, and should be used only when we have lead to preserve (if we score first); he stops the development of Barkley and Ledson. I would rather play Naismith.
  • Lukaku: 10 Premier League goals last season says it all. Having Kone as backup doesn't bring any competition. Add to that, he seems to be mostly disinterested. I would rather let him leave and replace him with Austin and Berahino.

Thirdly, Cleverley may turn out to be a decent player but he not a player who should be played in № 10 position and that is our problem no creativity. Now if we bring in a № 10 where does Martinez play Cleverley? And knowing Martinez, he would insist on playing Cleverley. I would rather play Barkley in that role and let him run at opposition defenders.

Last but not the least, where is our defensive cover? Not only at centre-back but at right back also? If Coleman gets injured, we only have Hibbert who, like Osman, has given his all for the club... but players like Sterling would run him ragged.

Amit Balaggan     Posted 25/07/2015 at 16:39:16

All dried up...

A number of supporters appear to be relatively happy with our squad going into the new season with quite a few also advocating the need for a creative midfielder.

However, one aspect has stood out in my mind since Fellaini left and that is: Where are the goals going to come from?

OK, we got Cleverley but I can't see him chipping in with more than an occasional one and Osman, who used to contribute a few, is now on his last legs. Ross Barkley is capable of the occasional cracker but has shown he is not to be relied on regularly for goals.

Apart from the big man who I don't rate that highly as a footballer anyway the only reliable goalscorers are Naismith and Mirallas and with one not considered up to standard and the other seemingly on his way (in his mind anyway) I am really starting to dread the new season.

Where do you guys see goals coming from or who should we try to get?
Jay Harris     Posted 24/07/2015 at 23:32:17

Everton players' valuations in the transfer market

As the John Stones transfer saga seems it could become a never-ending story for each transfer window in the coming years, I wonder how Evertonians would value our players if they were all available on the market at this moment? After all... you know every player has his price!

Here are my valuations, base on strength, age, British player, how much we spent to sign the player, comparisons in the transfer market, resale value, importance to our club, etc:

1. Robles £3m
2. Hibbert £500k
3. Baines £22m
4. Gibson £1.5m
5. Stones £45m
6. Jagielka £15m
7. McGeady £3m
8. Oviedo £5m
9. Kone £2m
10. Lukaku £38m
11. Mirallas £20m
14. Naismith £5m
15. Cleverley £8m
16. McCarthy £27m
17. Besic £8m
18. Barry £1m
19. Deulofeu £18m
20. Barkley £35m
21. Osman £2m
22. Pienaar £2m
23. Coleman £27m
24. Howard £2m
27. Browning £4m
29. Garbutt £8m
32. Galloway £6m

Those valuations are just personal view, don't take me too seriously!!
David Leung     Posted 24/07/2015 at 10:54:32

The Billionaire Delusion

Whenever we listen to any discussions regarding possible new owners at Everton, you can be sure the word 'billionaire' will appear in the piece. Whether it's the mainstream media, or just lads down the pub, the numbers quoted often escalate into absurd amounts; Ł150M to purchase the club... Ł250M on players....Ł300M for a new stadium.

I've never understood this argument. Our major shareholders and Chairman haven't put a single penny into Everton FC in 16 years, yet any new owners would require a Ł700M war chest??

Don't get me wrong: I would love a billionaire owner to rescue us from the current business model of selling our stars to refresh our playing staff and hoping someone will build us a new stadium for nothing. Failing that, surely someone with a sound plan to take us forward and add a little investment would be better than nothing?

We know Mr Kenwright has no intention of ever giving up his position, and industry insider Joe Beardwood had this to say about how the club is currently perceived: "There has never been a business plan at Everton. A lot of emotion... a lot of good people." Also, whatever your thoughts are on Mr Elstone, our CEO, he can't do everything at the club.

This brings me to my main point: We are absolutely crying out for some fresh blood and new ideas on the Board of Directors at Everton FC. I would ask any supporter to come on here and defend the record of a certain Mr Robert Earl. When he came to join the Board, Bill had this to say about him: "I don’t have to spell out the man’s attributes. He is a visionary and his focus on branding and marketing is second to none." What a crock of shit that has turned out to be! He has no involvement at the club at all, and is a self-confessed Spurs supporter.

Why won't he sell his shareholding in the club? Apparently, he doesn't make a single penny out of his interest in EFC, plus he could walk away with an enormous profit. It would enable us to bring in someone who at least had a strategy to take us forward.

Admitting Walton Hall Park was 'probably' not going to materialise after all, only meant one thing. The Board and the CEO have ran out of ideas. Even if there was a major announcement tomorrow that Goodison Park was to be redeveloped, would you trust the current custodians to deliver such a project?

We don't require a billionaire, there is no necessity for hundreds of millions to be thrown at the club. There is no denying, however, we do need some fresh ideas – someone to take this club of ours into the 21st century... that costs nothing.


Kevin Tully     Posted 22/07/2015 at 11:02:59

Turning point

I suppose some may say that every season is a turning point for Everton, but I wonder if we really have now reached a crisis point. In the next 4 weeks we are going to be tested about our ambition.

Can we demonstrate to Stones, to McCarthy, to Mirallas, to Coleman, to Barkley, to Lukaku that we will back their desire to play in Europe – not in the Europa League but in the Champions League? As we all know that with the current squad we are still three real quality players from challenging for the Top 4 places. We need a centre half, a No 10 and a striker; conservative estimates: let's say Ł40-50m for all three.

Will Bill and Bob get their act together to splash the cash or will Chelsea, Man Utd, Spurs, and any number, of top European clubs come knocking on the door with mega bucks for our top players? If they do and Bill and Bob haven’t demonstrated that their ambitions will be met, then I can see our players one by one walking through the door.

If they do go and we get Ł70-80m, it’s far too late to rescues this season, and I fear that we will never convince other top players to join us whilst we linger in mid-low places.

It’s up to you, Bill and Bob.

Mike Oates     Posted 21/07/2015 at 21:28:31

Why do we do it?

Why do we follow a sport which we know is unfairly run and regularly played by cheats? Where the top management are corrupt and not in any way interested in the paying public, who regularly put their hard-earned money into going to support their team!?

I need to elaborate: We start at the top with Sepp Blatter who everyone but a hermit knows – and has known for many years – is corrupt. Then you come down to the committees who regularly vote him back into the top job so they can carry on being corrupt.

Watch matches where teams and players cheat as in the France v Ireland World Cup game with a blatant case of cheating by a top footballer (who is now rewarded with the role of a pundit advising us on how the game should be played) and what do the offended football nation do? They accept a pay-off!!

Then we have the so-called Financial Fair Play rules and we hear of numerous clubs breaking these rules yet they continue to bring in new players, pushing up the market values all the time.

In other sports, players will declare a foul play; not in football – they are taught how to go down with the slightest contact to try and get the other player booked or sent off. The Manager will come out and declare one week that his player had no option but, if it happens against them, the next week the opposition player is castigated and called a cheat, once more highlighting the double standards in the game.

Then we have referees who make the most appalling decisions but continue to operate week-in and week-out without any real redress; if we carried on like that in work we would be sacked.

Then we come down to the inequality of our own Premier League – a league of which 6 clubs can buy and sell the rest. When a footballer vows his allegiance to a club, as in Delph with Aston Villa, but changes his mind the next week... would the club allow fans who purchased a season ticket to change their mind and get a refund?

We are told by panels of brain trusts during games their opinions on what teams are doing wrong; these same individuals have all been sacked as managers because they were not good enough – Souness, Hoddle... God I hate to say it, even Peter Reid. There is no other industry were you can fail so badly let thousands down then get a higher paid job for your failure.

We build ourselves up pre-season then every Saturday just to have our weekends ruined...

So I ask the question: Why do we do it? Because we were born Evertonians.


Paul Kennedy     Posted 21/07/2015 at 10:31:37

Players in the Shade

We all started being an Evertonain at some point. For me it was when I was 7 or 8 years old in the mid-80s. My Dad was an Evertonian, like his father before him, so I was already a Blue. But it was my Uncle whom turned up one evening in September and took me to my first game.

But that wasn't 'my time' as a Blue. My era was the 1990s. I started not needing my Uncle to take me, and it became a must that, whenever we played at home, I had to be there.

We had some good players then, and some poor ones too. And we had the idols also, like Big Dunc.

I'd love to listen from all you Blues new and old, on the player you loved who didn't fall in to the Idol/Big name category. The guilty pleasure, if you like.

For me back then, it was Big Joe Parkinson. Don't know why, but I just thought he was the business. A 'Dog of War' more then part of the Holy Trinity, but to me, special all the same.
Steve Foster     Posted 20/07/2015 at 18:36:01

Being positive

Last season is dead and buried. What lies ahead? Well, our pre-season looks much better. One lesson learned by our coach. We have made two excellent signings. An England international who I believe will be superb for us and a young winger who could just be a really special player signed on the cheap. So far, so good.I hope and expect that there is more to come. We are not that far away.

We will sign a centre back and we will sign a playmaker. One more surprise signing on top of that and we have a decent squad. Last season, I had high expectation and posted that we could be Champions League contenders. This season, I expect little... yet, who knows? We have good young players and, if the coach can squeeze the very best from them, if Barkley comes good, then there is much to be positive about.

I agree with those who call for patience over transfers. The way forward requires guile, pragmatism and a bit of luck. Roberto Martinez is our coach so let us hope he is the right man. This is where we are.
Andy Crooks     Posted 16/07/2015 at 18:14:39

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WBA 3 15 18
Swansea 54 36 18
Newcastle 54 38 16
Watford 12 2 10
Bournemouth 12 3 9
Stoke 18 22 -4
Tottenham 151 159 -8
Southampton 118 134 -16

The Table above is the transfer activity of the current Premier League clubs since July 1st 2013 shortly following Roberto Martinez's appointment as Everton boss. The table is as up to date as possible and all figures are rounded up or down to the nearest Million.

Obviously there are some undisclosed fees and fees yet to be set by tribunal to be accounted for, but it gives a flavour of the activity by all the clubs.

If the total spend - as some posters insist on using to beat Roberto over the head with - is used then Everton are the ninth highest spenders, however if the nett figure is used to assess Roberto then Everton find themselves in eleventh place in the money spent table.

Interesting to note that Spurs, Southampton and Stoke have all made a profit during the period and that includes Southampton's most recent addition from Feyenoord.

It is also noticeable that United and City are in a battle for supremacy, Arsenal are in third position whilst Chelsea and Liverpool are almost level pegging with each other in terms of nett spend although both are slightly behind Palace and even further behind West Ham.


Patrick Murphy     Posted 16/07/2015 at 03:41:25

Creative midfielder

I know that everyone is desperate to see us sign somebody with a bit of guile who can play behind the striker. Apart from Dimitri Payet, who has chosen West Ham, the only name I have heard from fans on TW has been Shinji Kagawa.

So, was wondering which players people would consider for the playmaker role in our squad. Obviously keeping mind the stature of our club and our financial situation.

Personally I would love Kagawa and I was a little bit disappointed to see Marco Van Ginkel move to Stoke on loan, as I thought he would be a good option and I think he will be one to watch this year in the PL.

Possibly, we could revive our interest in Adnan Januzaj to play in the hole, especially with all of the talent Man Utd are bringing in.
Danny Halsall     Posted 14/07/2015 at 11:56:44

Transfer Realism

Four weeks to kick-off and we see the sporadic and usually moronic, transfer speculation in the media.

The best policy is for clubs to have their trading done well before the season starts. What is the point of pre-season if players are sold or brought in after the work is done? Unfortunately that is not the way of the word, but we can hope.

Good early business from the manager. Getting in Tom Cleverley, presumably as a long-term replacement for the ‘past sell-by date’ Barry and, sadly, never fit, Gibson, coupled with the deal for Deulofeu, was a good start. David Henen is one for the future. This leaves the holes that need filling, (attack, central defence and goalkeeper), to be dealt with.

Why we are still linked with every midfield player in Europe amazes me. Those mentioned plus Barkley, McCarthy, Osman, Besic, Mirallas etc must show the hacks something. But not being linked to countless strikers and experienced central defenders is worrying. I know Mr Martinez likes his passing game and would, therefore, be happy watching eleven midfielders playing keep-ball for 90 minutes. But that is never going to work. Even Barcelona have a striker or two on their books...

The good news appears to be that Aidan McGeady is attracting interest from elsewhere. I would like to see Bryan Oviedo given the chance to play some regular football elsewhere, not because I don’t rate him, but because he is now third left back on the rank and we can’t hold on to him and Luke Garbutt.

The bad news is that players like these and Arouna Kone won’t generate much (if any) spending power. We may have to cash in an asset to get the funds to strengthen where we need it. Does one of McCarthy, Barkley or Mirallas equal the three players we still need to have a competitive squad? If it does, and if we can guarantee only one of them goes, that might prove good business.

What we can’t afford to happen is a transfer deadline-day scramble disrupting the squad. The problems caused when Joleon Lescott wanted out are still in the memory.

It's up to the manager to control the comings and goings and not be led by them. A final-day merry-go-round usually results in paying too much for a replacement or a hole in the squad that can’t be filled until next year.

Whatever happens between now and the end of August, I just hope we aren’t picked off as a selling club and that any departures are for the best interest of this team rather than for the whims of agents and so-called bigger clubs.


Martin Reppion     Posted 13/07/2015 at 13:35:09

FREE New Everton Shirts!

Some Blues may not be aware of this, but it rolled into Sunny Southampton today.

Carling are offering to swap any unwanted Premier League footy shirts with ex-players name on, for brand spanking new ones.

FREE! Yep, FREE!!

Ideal if your kids have ones they don't want.

#carlingshirtamnesty

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Mark Riding     Posted 11/07/2015 at 19:30:08

Robin Van Persie?!

Here's one for discussion given the stories coming out of the press today that the magical RVP is available for a pittance... Should we be looking to bolster our universally accepted 'weak' striking numbers with what is a truly fantastic option?

Yes, he's getting towards the twilight of his career – but he's not decrepit... being first choice for his (not so shite) country would suggest.

Yes, he's on big bucks – but can't these things not be offset with signing-on fees and the like (and are 'world brand' Fenerbahce's finances really that much better than ours)?

Yes, he doesn't play much more than 20 'fit' games a season – but he's good for 20 points a season (especially the 1st) and we have a promising centre-forward that needs to learn better technique (which he's the master of...)

He accepts his missus will be deciding his next move and she is settled in the area and has a kid in the Man City academy....

I just want to put it out there as a debate, cause I think it's worth a two-season punt... Go on, destroy me!
John Cotton     Posted 09/07/2015 at 19:07:15

Highly-valued Coleman

With almost 6,000 votes cast, Evertonians would place a high price on Seamus Coleman were any club to come knocking for the Irishman this summer if our latest poll is any indication.

It's not clear how much substance there was to the stories concerning Manchester United's supposed interest in the 26-year-old but we thought the topic would make a useful poll of our readers.

The overwhelming majority of respondents (76%) pegged his value to Everton at between Ł20m and Ł30m, with the largest segment (36%) opting for Ł25m.

In any case, media speculation has waned over the last couple of weeks and it looks as though Seamus will be staying put for the time being.

» Full poll results
ToffeeWeb      Posted 09/07/2015 at

Central defensive backup?

I am getting increasingly concerned that we have little backup for our first-choice centre-backs, Phil Jagielka and John Stones. As far as I can ascertain, we have a 21-year-old and a 19-year-old that are mostly untried at this level.

So, if Jags and Stones get injured, we have a couple of inexperienced youngsters leading our central defense? This doesn't seem to be a big talking point, so perhaps I am missing something?

I'm hoping we do not go in to this season as unprepared as the last campaign. Can someone put my worried mind at rest?
Mark Pridgeon     Posted 08/07/2015 at

Green grass of home

We're looking for words to an old Everton song set to the Green Grass of Home.

There may have been a couple of versions of this. One of which was sung more on the train home from the aways in the early 70s and was a bit more X-rated as our our lads pulled in to Lime Street ready to try their luck in the nightclubs before no doubt opting for the chippy and then their wives as a last resort!

Also, we're still after the Everton versions of Keep Right On To The End Of The Road and Fine Girl You Are. Even if it's just a snippet of it you remember that would still help greatly.
David Shaw     Posted 07/07/2015 at 20:38:11

Sky TV money

I'm interested to know exactly how much money Everton FC have been given from the TV rights?

It seems that a lot of lower Premier League teams are spending or at least bidding for much more expensive players than we are.

I understand that Tom Cleverley and Gerard Deulofeu are great buys but altogether, their fees still only amount to Ł4.3m.


Neil Thomas     Posted 06/07/2015 at 11:34:57

The Re-emergence of Ross Barkley

Picture this:

You're a young, hungry worker who's been talked up to be the next thing. You've seen those before you critisized then sold off. You head out to a lesser company who produce lower numbers; and flatter to deceive. Although they're happy to keep you on, you strive for more.

All of a sudden, a new lease of life is thrust upon you in the form of a new manager. He finally gives you the chance you've been craving; the company has been craving...

Fast forward 18 months and that company is now on your back, thinking they should bail out before they make more errors both financially and results based.

Relate this to our own Ross Barkley:

I remember vividly working that first day of Roberto's first season. I tapped my Sky Sports app to check the lineup and my heart leaped with joy to see 20 - Ross Barkley.

What happened to us lads? With the pace of Deulofeu and Mirallas he was unreal; the holder of the ball to release into the paths of Lukaku, Super Kev and Geri before getting into the box to pose a threat of his own.

Mark my words; this season is the season of Barkley. He is the man who can drive us on.

Arguably his best game last season was at home against QPR. Against a midfield of five he looked assured, composed, and skilful. He could pass the ball on to his forward and get into the box to pose a threat of his own.

Give him credit.

Love him; he's one of us.

This season, he will deliver.
Robert Leigh     Posted 05/07/2015 at 23:45:24

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