What does this lad Klaassen bring to the team? Honest question; me personally – I have no idea. While the lad is still settling in, new country, new league etc etc, I'm struggling to see... urmmmm, anything to get me excited!!
This lad came with a huge reputation: Ajax captain, Europa League finalist, Dutch International. £24 million price tag on his head, a Number 10 that we was all calling for, someone who would dictate play, someone who could link with the striker, someone who could play them killer passes, someone who will score goals. Have we seen any of that yet?
The big question for me is, is he any better then what we already had? Imo, no. Better then Davies, No. Better then Rooney? No. Better then Sigurdsson? No. Better then Barkley? Hell no. Does Klaassen offer pace? Nope. Hell, for a Dutch International, he seems to have very poor first touch.
It is early days though, so I guess we will have to cut him some slack. However, with every other summer signing, you can see the potential and more importantly the ability. Of course some will say, "Oh, did you see that last-ditch tackle last night, or the runs he makes in the box" as some sort of highlight reel. Dowell shipped off to play in a Championship team is mind-boggling when you consider the ability of both.
The other major issue for me is that, when Koeman made the double change last night, we put our £45 million Number 10 on the wing while our Dutch Naismith gets the Number 10 slot? The whole thing is weird. Someone please tell me Klaassen is going to be a worldie.
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1 Posted 22/08/2017 at 17:59:52
To sum up, two games does not a season make...
2 Posted 22/08/2017 at 18:14:12
Others have also had poor starts to their Blues careers Ratcliffe, Watson are two good examples.
Calvert-Lewin was totally written off last season but Motm last night!
I see what you're saying but I'm
Willing to give some time despite the big CV and price tag!
3 Posted 22/08/2017 at 18:25:12
4 Posted 22/08/2017 at 18:41:10
I'm not going to polemicise with you as that is your aim. What I will say is that klassin is a very good footballer with a great football brain. He moves the ball forward and he moves it quickly and accurately and he chips in with goals.
I admit he's looking a bit lost at the moment but give him at least more than two games to judge him.
5 Posted 22/08/2017 at 18:45:05
7 Posted 22/08/2017 at 18:50:27
Pienaars goal and assists return is much lower than you'd expect, despite the obvious influence he had on the game.
Baines has the most assists for a defender in the PL, Pienaar gave him that ball most of the time.
Klaassen is about the intangibles, speed/weight of pass, one touch, creating space, appreciation for other players and how they receive the ball.
Those qualities are never on a stat sheet.
If you cannot see that then you may well never will. Good, good player. Worth the patience. Play him in the EL & EFL cup to get confidence and blood him into the EPL more slowly.
8 Posted 22/08/2017 at 18:56:19
John, have we seen any of the attributes you state he has? I haven't. I'll tell you another thing – watch that Man City game again. He loses the ball 4 times in a row!! So much for a fast brain, eh?
9 Posted 22/08/2017 at 19:07:41
10 Posted 22/08/2017 at 19:08:51
11 Posted 22/08/2017 at 19:10:20
12 Posted 22/08/2017 at 19:46:20
He didn't make the subs last night, Koeman's did. As much as I liked Naismith I hope Davy has a touch more quality about his game as Siggy will be the 10 whilst fit.
14 Posted 22/08/2017 at 19:55:20
Did anyone read Chelsea are after gueye? At least £80m in this market although hopefully they will be told to bog off
15 Posted 22/08/2017 at 20:04:43
RE - Steven Naismith, he's still at Norwich and struggling to get a game. So no Everton don't want him back. If that's our level what's Lee Trundle doing these days?
17 Posted 22/08/2017 at 20:44:07
I remember Terry McDermott arriving at the other lot and he was crap. He got left out until he could play the way they did at the time. After that he was sad to say from our point of view - excellent. Klassen seems to me to be trying to hard and coming to terms with the EPL. He has defo been more effective in the Europa League so far. I have no doubts he will score at least 10 goals this season. He's been there and done it, which is what we needed. He is also a leader and we needed plenty of them, As always time will tell. I am convinced he will succeed at Goodison.
18 Posted 22/08/2017 at 20:54:06
Never remotely had a "huge" reputation... never considered a "worldie"... most here had barely heard of him. Rep was that of a solid, quality player, hardworking leader, not a superstar, only 14 appearances for Holland in four years, third-best player on Ajax.
Was always going to take time to "bed in" because the Eredivisie is so much softer than the Prem, yet has already shown he can link up and play the great pass... watch the first half of Stoke again, he's critical to both goals and two other great chances. One-touch pass to put Rooney through was elegant. Can't see that "ability"? Head must be firmly up tochus.
And to write such crapola after five games? Pure WUM bait. Dismissed.
19 Posted 22/08/2017 at 20:56:03
20 Posted 22/08/2017 at 21:15:24
21 Posted 22/08/2017 at 21:20:03
22 Posted 22/08/2017 at 21:25:13
23 Posted 22/08/2017 at 21:31:38
What?! Are we watching the same guy? He's an excellent one-touch passer.
I don't like to shout down a fellow Blue...but you're just talking absolute rubbish here, Peter.
24 Posted 22/08/2017 at 21:39:20
The guy has zero quality, he was ambling around the midfield not picking up the tempo of the game and missing nearly every attempted challenge. When on the ball he was poor, his movement looked terrible and so did his touch.
I can't see him playing again for Everton, so Davy if you read this, you best pack your bags or expect an entire season on the bench.
25 Posted 22/08/2017 at 21:46:32
26 Posted 22/08/2017 at 22:02:11
Not the quickest, and not the strongest, in a league were pace and power is king, but given time I'm sure he will adjust, simply because he looks like he really understands the game. Please Give the lad a bit of time?
27 Posted 22/08/2017 at 22:52:12
28 Posted 22/08/2017 at 22:57:01
29 Posted 22/08/2017 at 23:11:33
His awareness has been on display in his games so far. Criticism of his touch is weird as he he offers a quick pass when it's on. He sees the full picture.
Assist for Calvert-Lewin v Ruzumberok was perfect. Drew Zouma out of position for Rooney goal v Stoke. Saved a certain goal at the death v City. A couple of nice incisive touches around the box in the Split game. Works hard. And all for £25m.
30 Posted 22/08/2017 at 23:17:37
31 Posted 23/08/2017 at 00:58:30
Post #24 . "joined this forum" just for that? Worst debut since Ali Dia.
Andy #20... I think it was the pint at the Winslow. They put something in the Guinness there. Cheers.
32 Posted 23/08/2017 at 01:10:32
Early days of course, but I was expecting more from him - and I'd be surprised if even those who are confident he will come good have been entirely satisfied by his first few games for us.
Hopefully he will adjust quickly but if not then I hope Koeman uses him sparingly in difficult games because he offered very little in his half-hour at the Etihad other than a vital last minute interception.
33 Posted 23/08/2017 at 01:15:28
34 Posted 23/08/2017 at 01:20:45
35 Posted 23/08/2017 at 08:37:49
My concern is less about him as an individual and more as our midfield as a whole. It lacks pace and power for the PL. Klassen being played with Rooney, Siggurdsson and Schneiderlin makes for a very slow core; slow to close down and slow to break. Having one or two players who are quick of mind if not of feet is fine but in my view we have too many and that was why we struggled against City's pace merchants when Davvy and Gylfi came on.
36 Posted 23/08/2017 at 08:51:56
37 Posted 23/08/2017 at 09:03:42
He's probably living out of a suitcase in some city centre hotel away from his family and friends and yet some armchair critic sees fit to condemn him as failure after two, yes two games – one of which he was given a job to do for 30 minutes.
Let's get behind him and look at it again at the end of the season. Problem nowadays is everyone thinks they're an expert.
39 Posted 23/08/2017 at 09:28:26
40 Posted 23/08/2017 at 09:42:55
DCL and Lookman have also came in for stick as well!!!
I genuinley despair about our fans sometimes, give the lads a chance.
41 Posted 23/08/2017 at 09:50:44
42 Posted 23/08/2017 at 10:32:42
How is Klaassen "a charlatan"?
Has he, personally, ever professed to be something he is not and who exactly is he cheating with his mountebank midfield mannerisms? The club? The manager? The fans?
All the player himself has done up to this point is play his natural game in his native league, catch the eye of the Everton boss (or 'super' scout, or both) and accept the contract offer that subsequently came his way after Ajax agreed to his sale. He hasn't come in shouting from the rooftops about how he'll soon be ripping the Premier League up right from the start and scoring shitloads of goals in an Everton shirt. He's simply gone out and tried to give his best whilst getting to grips with a new country, league, club, manager, teammates, playing style and role.
Although he hasn't exactly shone brightly during this early period of acclimitisation, he's still managed to make significant contribution's in every single game (even against City, where his crucial interception prevented a near certain goal). That Klaassen has been able to do so suggests there are only better things to come from him once settled into his new surroundings and with further first-hand exposure to the frenetic pace of the Premier League. As such, the statement that you "can't see him playing again for Everton" is completely nonsensical.
Like Koeman is going to call time on the Everton career of a player the club have just splashed £24m on? This soon? A player he lavished praise on? A player who he said "I see it as a challenge to make the best use of his abilities" about? After five games? Even 'psychic phenomenon' Clinton Baptiste would be going "Get to fuck" if the spirit world started whispering that one in his bad Barry Venison wigged ear.
43 Posted 23/08/2017 at 10:34:02
I'm not convinced by Klassen yet and I do have concerns about our lack of midfield pace and a plethora of Number 10's but it's far too early to judge anyone yet.
If we get past Split tomorrow then we've had a pretty good start to the season despite performances not being entirely convincing. I'm more confident now than I was after the Ruzemborg games.
44 Posted 23/08/2017 at 10:37:23
45 Posted 23/08/2017 at 10:39:05
46 Posted 23/08/2017 at 10:53:11
I sometimes wonder what we expect? Let's get behind Klassen and hope he comes good!
47 Posted 23/08/2017 at 10:55:04
I remember Gary Lineker not scoring in his first few games and people saying he wasn't up to much then proceeded to score 30 league goals.
48 Posted 23/08/2017 at 11:04:52
49 Posted 23/08/2017 at 11:24:46
There's lots of new faces give them a chance for gods sake!!
50 Posted 23/08/2017 at 12:00:50
Erikssen took a season to fully bed in
51 Posted 23/08/2017 at 12:06:31
In an ideal world he'd hit the ground running, but some players take longer to bed in than others. Leave the pitchforks at home for a few months yet.
52 Posted 23/08/2017 at 12:10:31
53 Posted 23/08/2017 at 12:15:33
54 Posted 23/08/2017 at 12:35:58
Klassen is stepping up massively by playing in the Premier League now. Give him time to adapt.
55 Posted 23/08/2017 at 12:36:13
56 Posted 23/08/2017 at 12:39:38
57 Posted 23/08/2017 at 13:05:43
But how long has he been playing in the Premier League? Is it about 120 minutes?
I just don't understand how anyone can even consider making such statements about his (perceived) ability after such a short period of time.
It probably took the poster longer to construct this post than Klaassen was actually on the pitch on Monday.
I wonder if he adopts the same knee jerk reaction in other parts of his life?
Does he get up to go before the waiter's brought the bread or does he stomp out of the Cinema before the opening credits have finished?
"Someone tell me he's going to be a worldie"
I doubt if anyone will be so reckless based on what little we have seen of him.
You might want to apply the same rational reasoning.
58 Posted 23/08/2017 at 13:10:08
59 Posted 23/08/2017 at 13:11:07
Klaassen will eventually come good, and Davies will have better days because both are quality players. It is too early to judge either player. Davies is lauded because he is young and "one of us", Klaassen is ridiculed because he is Dutch and cost £24 million, neither of these polar opposite judgments can really be made until both have played consistently (or otherwise) for a season or two.
I am not wholly convinced on either player but, then again, I watched Kay and Gabriel, the Holy Trinity, Martin Dobson, Reid, Stevens, Sheedy and Bracewell, and none of our current midfield players could truly be classed in the same bracket as these players, and even they had "bad" days. Give our current crop a chance and maybe one or two of them will prove worthy of being included in the really "great" Blues midfielders.
60 Posted 23/08/2017 at 13:15:08
As for Klassen, when Koeman came out and backed him to "cope with the tough physical nature of the Prem" that was a red flag for me. Where there's smoke there's fire!
I'm relieved that people are still optimistic. All I've really seen is a player who loses the ball most of the time.
I get the feeling he was expected to be our David Silva.
Seems like a long way off that to me. I see what he's supposed to be. He's not there yet.
Early days I guess.
Despite my tone I AM rooting for the kid. I see a clever player in there but does he have the mental strength to go through a poor start and keep trying to outsmart the opposition or will he change his game to adapt?
Happy to give him time but sometimes players are just a bad fit for a team/league.
Keane and Pickford (Micheal/Jordan!) have already proved that our transfers this season have been excellent. If one doesn't work, that's forgivable.
As above, I'm sure he'll be an asset in our other competitions even if he's not suited for the Premier.
As a final aside, I haven't wanted a keepers shirt so bad since my all-time hero big Nev! Shame the goalie kits are so damn ugly but the lads going to be a cult icon for many a year!
61 Posted 23/08/2017 at 13:35:22
62 Posted 23/08/2017 at 15:29:08
This article is a load of old tosh from someone who hardly knows what he's talking about.
63 Posted 23/08/2017 at 15:29:46
65 Posted 23/08/2017 at 23:04:56
Think we can probably give every squad member a break and enjoy being unbeaten, whilst it lasts. Especially ones who haven't played in the prem before. No?
66 Posted 23/08/2017 at 23:41:15
Why anyone would want to slate new players, not only to the team but the league as well, so much after a few games is beyond me even for Peter Larkin! Get a grip lad, it's just embarrassing and gives Evertonians a bad name.
67 Posted 23/08/2017 at 00:20:21
Well with regard to the first two I'd expect the fee for Davies, should we bizarrely want to dispose of him, to be about what Davy cost us, and that's no slight on Davy. For Ross, sadly, I think we'll get less, probably under the umbrella of the much vaunted "undisclosed fee".
Folks have got to get their head around the idea that a TOP SQUAD needs at least a bench full of players worth tens of millions these days, never mind the eleven selected to play.
We're heading in the right direction.
68 Posted 24/08/2017 at 05:10:06
I remember both Baines and Jags struggled for one full season before finding their feet.
69 Posted 24/08/2017 at 08:46:35
70 Posted 24/08/2017 at 13:59:46
71 Posted 24/08/2017 at 18:59:30
Siggy is unfit to wear the blue jersey based on his Cameo against City.
72 Posted 25/08/2017 at 06:55:44
Personally I think there is definitely a really good player in there and much better prospect than a lot of players we have bought in seasons gone by.
I can think of loads of players who didn't start too well.
It pays to give players a chance before writing them off completely.
I can only clearly recall 2 players who I made my mind up on the first appearance that they were shite, Niasse and Traore.
73 Posted 25/08/2017 at 22:33:41
I've heard the oldtimers speak of the legendary Glenn Keeley disaster, but that was before my time.
74 Posted 25/08/2017 at 23:02:44
John Pierce at #7 sums Klaassen up perfectly. He is an absolutely brilliant footballer. However, who knows more about football than Cruyff? The dutch legend was perhaps the greatest player of all time and, of all the greats, he's the only one to actually make it as a manager. So what did the great man say about Klaassen back in 2014:
"You must have strong positioning, ability to control the ball at speed and also have the technique to deal with the speed of it [in midfield]. Xavi, Toni Kroos and Davy Klaassen can do it. All three have perfect anticipation and they can play it both left and right excellently. You watch, when Klaassen plays from that position for Ajax, the tempo increases immediately. Moreover, he rarely loses possession."
So the great man rates him up there with the best in the world, but Larkin (achievements in the game unknown) dismisses the Captain of Ajax, who just played in the Europa League final, as crap after just a couple of games. Mr Larkin we need you in recruitment at Everton, you could save us a few quid on players overrated by guys who really know their stuff!
Klaassen will come good. Why is he not blowing you all away now? Because it is too early. It takes time for Klaassen to learn the runs of the forwards, and those around him, to adapt to the speed of the Premier League, the physicality of it, and to adapt to first first taste of life outside his home country. He is only 24 guys, cut the kid some slack.
Klaassen's game is all about one touch football. He has instant control and can find the feet of his teammates. This is not a telepathic ability. Yes he has a fast brain, but it is from repetition in training. He needs to anticipate where a teammate will run, he needs to look around him see who is where and know as they run where they are running to. This takes time. Rooney is truly a world class player, and it is no surprise that Klaassen has linked up so well with him. All of Klaassen's best stuff has come from that combination. That is because Rooney makes clever runs, and Klaassen can spot them. If someone else makes an obvious run and is tracked then Klaassen cannot pass to them. Keeping hold of the ball and slowing down play is the opposite of his game.
Klaassen is the player who will make this Everton team tick. He is the one who will set the tempo. That's what he did for Ajax. But do you guys know what setting the tempo means? This is getting hold of the ball and passing it forwards diagonally first time, and then getting forwards yourself. He si the one who will make everyone else run forwards. But they have to learn this, and he has to learn their runs and their ways.
For Ajax, Klaassen was the no. 8, this is a position behind the striker and behind the no10. We have Sigurdsson to play as the number 10 and so Klaassen will be learning how to play with him and how to link up with him. Expect some lightning passes exchanged between those two and Rooney, if Koeman can figure out where to play them all. If we can have a striker in the side as well then the aforementioned three and the striker, should be able to carve defences apart with some lightning fast one touch passing and then you will say, oh so that's what he does.
The other part of his game, that is far more subtle, is Klaassen is a selfless runner. He will take defenders away from the man on the ball. Even when he knows he will not get the pass, he will keep the defence guessing and needing to cover him. He's done this already to create space for Rooney on a few occasions, and that's with him playing "badly". Just wait until he's up to speed. This boy is the one who will be our play-maker.
75 Posted 25/08/2017 at 23:37:49
76 Posted 25/08/2017 at 23:39:18
77 Posted 26/08/2017 at 00:26:39
78 Posted 26/08/2017 at 10:42:42
My cousin in Amsterdam told me when we signed him we would need to be patient; he would take time to settle but once he did so, he would prove his worth. From what we have seen Klaassen likes to pass the ball forward quickly. To exploit that ability we will need a striker with pace and goal scoring ability. Who that will be is presumably exercising Walsh and Koeman in the final few days of the transfer window. Well, I hope it is.
79 Posted 26/08/2017 at 11:06:06
As someone posted above he is a young man moved to a new country most likely living in a hotel, doesn't know anyone and trying to settle in to a team which is not yet " fully formed". Give the lad a chance for heavens sake- I don't think I would be working at my best as a 24 year old in a strange country!
He will be much better having a sharp brain like Siggi alongside him. What we really need is a target man up front and sort out the wide positions as that then gives the CMs width to exploit and more space in which to play.
He will be fine and even if he won't it is rather distasteful for an article of this kind to be penned so early in the lads career. We are supposed to be supporters i.e. We support our team and anyone who plays in it- it's for opposing fans to slag off our players,not for us!
80 Posted 26/08/2017 at 11:35:11
81 Posted 26/08/2017 at 20:05:52
82 Posted 26/08/2017 at 20:17:55
Pack it in mate. 👍
83 Posted 26/08/2017 at 20:46:39
84 Posted 26/08/2017 at 22:24:30
An 'absolutely brilliant footballer', likened to Xavi and Iniesta??? I'm waiting for him to be a lot more proactive in looking for the ball and dictating play before I'll lavish that sort of praise. I think he is improving but there have been times the games have largely passed him by in a way that isn't just down to conditioning.
For his skills and work rate to deliver much he has to be involved a lot more, and some of that will depend on his mentality as much as his physical ability. Not everyone adjusts when plonked down in a new role with great expectation. I know that Ajax are hugely respected but will Davy Klaassen feel like he has been thrust into a higher pressure situation?
85 Posted 27/08/2017 at 05:33:17
But then I read a well written and considered post by Steve Ferns - a post that makes me wonder if perhaps there are promising signs there already that I'm not seeing. Steve's comment about Klaassen anticipating runs, and the reason so far he's clicked with Rooney but not so much with others yet makes me think perhaps Steve is right and there's more to come. So I'll watch for that in future games, and hopefully my opinion of him will be up there with Gana Gueye and Pickford (my two current faves!) by season's end...
86 Posted 30/08/2017 at 20:39:45
Stay the fuck of ToffeeWeb.
87 Posted 17/09/2017 at 01:20:23
Fast-forward a few years, to his 333 in the 1st innings against India, followed by a century in the 2nd.
Some people just need a bit of time.
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