I've always thought that ex-Liverpool players have an unhealthy representation on all football programmes - and frankly I'm sick of seeing them.
Having watched Jamie Carragher spit at a 14 year old girl because her dad was gently teasing him over United's 2-1 win I find too much.
No insults. No swearing. Just "2-1 Jamie lad. Hard luck" is what I saw on the clip that I watched. He didn't have to roll down his window. He didn't have to engage with the family. And he certainly didn't have to gob all over a kid.
This guy's a role model? For who? The BNP?
I've written to Sky saying that this kind of behaviour is unacceptable and he should go. Carragher was way over the top and should now pay the price for his stupidity.
And if there's once less kopite on TV - happy days.
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1 Posted 12/03/2018 at 17:07:55
Spitting is often seen as the lowest of the low, yet ever too often we see this somewhat archaic form of assault on our streets or television screens.
He's a Red. Despite his proclaimed love for the blues whilst growing up, he's a red and not ashamed to make reference to it. But should this cloud our view, opinion and assessment of what he's done? I deplore and feel saddened at this kind of story, often made worse by the realisation that these "men" are idols for some, heroes and people strongly looked up to by so many.
However, we often see these incidents from an element of bias and as a result people's lives, careers and reputations are often destroyed by such instant stupidity along with their families lives.
Whilst punishment is inevitable, surely even as Evertonians we should remind ourselves that we aren't flawless, we aren't without periods of controversy and are we as a result able to judge a man who essentially appears to have made a massive judgement error.
What happened before? What drove him to this reaction and what is behind it all? Whilst the action of spitting will not be forgiven, certainly by some, the reaction may be somewhat dampened by a realisation of facts. Facts that no one actually has.
I ask the question why , on a motorway is the driver of the car trying to get the attention of another. Why in addition to this we are not looking at the fact a man is also driving whilst using his mobile phone to film a celebrity. Owing to the use of mobile phones, lives are taken daily on our roads destroying families. I am pretty confident that spitting at someone is as potentially life threatening yet we strive for the drama of the story.
Verdict. Guilty and a clearly disgusting act. But prior to taking reactive decisions about someone's future, sit back and think about things logically.
2 Posted 12/03/2018 at 17:08:51
3 Posted 12/03/2018 at 17:24:44
4 Posted 12/03/2018 at 17:37:12
5 Posted 12/03/2018 at 17:41:22
6 Posted 12/03/2018 at 17:56:27
Only the other week a load of Scottish fans had a long run in with Eddie Jones and his reaction? He did his best to ignore them and get where he was going. That's how you handle it.
7 Posted 12/03/2018 at 18:08:04
8 Posted 12/03/2018 at 18:08:52
9 Posted 12/03/2018 at 18:16:13
10 Posted 12/03/2018 at 18:32:54
When Andy Gray and Richard Keys (I think) were caught making sexist comments about a lady assistant referee they were sacked by Sky. I agreed with it as I agree that Carragher should be sacked too.
12 Posted 12/03/2018 at 18:50:04
13 Posted 12/03/2018 at 19:06:54
14 Posted 12/03/2018 at 19:10:28
What would Carragher do?
1. Report an assault to the police? Highly likely!
2. Denounce you on his next Sky appearance or on TalkSport? Definitely!
3. Sue you for a new top of the range suit and the inconvenience plus the traumatic affect on him and his relatives? Definitely!
4. Find out where you work and denounce you to your boss? Probably!
So why does he think he can fob this off with a casual apology of an apology?
He's a Spitting Has-been In Trouble
15 Posted 12/03/2018 at 19:12:22
I'm not defending him, spitting like that is vile, just feel a bit sorry for him to be honest. According to a mate who has met him several times, he's generally considered to be a thoroughly decent bloke. We have all done something for which we are ashamed afterwards.
16 Posted 12/03/2018 at 19:13:14
17 Posted 12/03/2018 at 19:15:34
That club and its players and fans have brought nothing but shame to the city of Liverpool and the unfortunate thing is us blues always get as much abuse thrown at us as what they do because of things that club does. You only have to read the letters pages in the various newspapers covering the Carragher story today. A lot of comments saying "Vile Scousers this" and "Vile Scousers that".
Call me bitter, I don't give a toss. I hate that club and its vile players, ex players and fans so much and as Dermot says, it's fucking great seeing anyone connected to that club in the shit.
18 Posted 12/03/2018 at 19:22:29
19 Posted 12/03/2018 at 19:24:46
He fucked-up and now he has to face the consequences.
On the actual incident, we must remember that saliver carries all sorts of germs and potential bugs. It is classed as assault.
20 Posted 12/03/2018 at 19:27:21
“2-1, Jamie, 2-1.” I suppose it was all worth it for such a cleverly crafted taunt. Aren't football fans great.
21 Posted 12/03/2018 at 19:57:20
22 Posted 12/03/2018 at 20:09:09
23 Posted 12/03/2018 at 20:17:00
24 Posted 12/03/2018 at 20:25:44
And yes, Ray, we've all done things we're ashamed of, but it's normally 'cause your rat-arsed, but even then I've never spat at a 14-year-old girl. Liverpool will probably have special T Shirts made for Saturday.
25 Posted 12/03/2018 at 20:32:26
He'll probably lose his job. Not because a bunch of people are "outraged" but because when you're in an incredibly fortunate position your employer can expect a certain standard of behavior. This was a mile short of that.
It did occur to me that the tendency to be a horrible person when it comes to your team losing probably is something we could do with.
26 Posted 12/03/2018 at 20:34:39
27 Posted 12/03/2018 at 20:36:22
28 Posted 12/03/2018 at 20:44:29
Get done for drinking and driving and these pages were flooded with people saying it was no big deal and no serious punishment is necessary. Got it.
29 Posted 12/03/2018 at 20:49:26
It would be difficult for them to justify.
30 Posted 12/03/2018 at 21:38:05
But what did take me by surprise was when the interviewer spoke about Twitter and then showed some tweets by those paragons of virtue, Vinnie Jones and Joey Barton. Was this just to get a reaction to keep the debate going? I ask myself...
31 Posted 12/03/2018 at 21:51:56
I live near Manchester and one of my neighbours works at Old Trafford.
When I spoke to her on Saturday morning about the match, her only thought was that they would once again be fitting new toilets and basins on Monday as every year the so-called "best and most knowledgeable fans in the world" will have pulled them off the wall and trashed their part of the stadium.
"Ashamed of nothing, offended by everything" rather sums them and Carragher up very well. He is only contrite because he will be off the Sky gravy train and no-one else will now touch him.
32 Posted 12/03/2018 at 21:58:08
I kid you not.
33 Posted 12/03/2018 at 21:59:32
You're just another prick in the wall.
34 Posted 12/03/2018 at 21:59:37
He broke 2 commandments, the 11th “He got Caught”. The 12th He obviously can't take it, like most Kopites, so should stop dishing it out. No doubt, the father of the girl he spat at should never have filmed it while driving. So Deserves everything he gets too.
35 Posted 12/03/2018 at 22:18:49
After a few bevvies his squeaky high pitches voice included large amounts of flem. I got a full earful while he was explaining he still was a blue even though hed just recently broken in the RS first team. My huge RS supporting mate did even up the wetness factor a little later by landing an extremely wet kiss on his cheek during a photo.
36 Posted 12/03/2018 at 22:24:27
37 Posted 12/03/2018 at 22:26:53
He would have been given a blank cheque to show this only to Carra's representative and forget it ever happened. Like an out-of-court settlement. But a hush one.
38 Posted 12/03/2018 at 22:57:41
Interesting story. I'm surprised Carragher hasn't used that as his defence.
What we witnessed was Carragher merely engaging in polite conversation with the man and his daughter.
39 Posted 12/03/2018 at 23:00:21
“ Obviously it looks bad, but as usual everyone has got it wrong. Weve now discovered that Jamie is actually descended from a rare tribe of Papuan New Quinea Pygmys, so rare most of them are nearly 6 ft, where its actually a term of endearment, or agreement in another persons point of view, to offer them some of your saliva whilst snarling and making an angry face. So just so everyone knows 100%. that he WAS actually expressing his gratitude to the young girl who got a gob full, and there is no way it was meant to be anything else other than a thank you”
He went on to say
“We are now in the process of producing red and white cards for the gobshites, sorry Kopites, to hold above the heads at our next game. Which will be Jamies face with the logo reading 23 Bellend”
Regards Olof YNFA Erickson
40 Posted 12/03/2018 at 23:25:10
I dont care who he played for and what supposed “provocation” there was, hes being paid a princely sum to be able to take goading and criticism. Hes failed and managed to spit in the face of a 14 year old girl. Not only should he be sacked, but he should be on a charge. If I had video evidence of someone doing that to me in the street, Id be straight to the police station with it.
To those saying the father shouldnt have tormented him, or that he put the girl in harms way, you disgust me aswell. Winding my window down to give a bit of childish abuse to a former footballer isnt my style personally but nor does the provocation deserve the reaction.
41 Posted 12/03/2018 at 23:32:45
No wonder he was contrite, How much do these guys get paid ? A million over three years ? For commenting ? Never mind he'll get a job errrr . Working in the back room for the RS.
They lost a league game to a great rival not particularly much at stake. A close game, away, at that. Not good enough, spit at the goaders.
When in 1985 we lost to the same team at Wembley, who spent the majority of the game clogging our superior team, we were denied a unique treble; a rough house blue on our coach stood up and entreated the whole coach to "sing, sing. Don't let them know you are gutted". We sang two out of three aint bad all the way home.
That was a person with class though Ill never meet him again.
42 Posted 12/03/2018 at 23:37:34
So that's alright then, Jamie.
43 Posted 13/03/2018 at 00:16:48
The reason? Money and fame. Fuck him, the vile gobshite.
44 Posted 13/03/2018 at 00:24:52
45 Posted 13/03/2018 at 08:22:46
Everton are defending. So Carragher says, "Everton needs to attack now. Thee've gorra get into the opposition's half."
Everton are attacking. So Carragher says, "Thee've gorra watch thee don't lose the ball. The opposition can run down the other end."
A striker is going through a sticky patch. So Carragher says, "Strikers like to score goals..."
I have heard whoopee cushions providing better insights.
46 Posted 13/03/2018 at 08:35:29
Don't be surprised if, once the RS-loving media start, the young girl, and her dad, are exiled to Botany Bay and Carra is sanctified by the Pope and knighted by the Queen.
47 Posted 13/03/2018 at 08:46:06
48 Posted 13/03/2018 at 09:29:57
Where have you read on here people defending his actions and who exactly "disgusts you"? What I have read is everybody clearly stating that Carragher's behaviour was appalling.
However if you're basing your observations on the 20 second clip presented by the Father then you are mistaken.
I actually believe Carragher when he says that there were several exchanges and that he was shocked at some of the language used and it is clear from the video that it wasn't the first exchange.
Carragher's getting suitably and deservedly criticised by every rationale thinking person but I also think that the father should be criticised for his actions too. In no way to the same extent as Carragher but that's not happening is it?
49 Posted 13/03/2018 at 09:31:28
50 Posted 13/03/2018 at 09:50:52
I disliked him as a player but I think (bias aside) he's a good pundit. Sure he's a red but I've not heard him say anything derogatory about Everton on TV; if anything the truth hurts, like:
- Everton have mental issue against the top six sides - correct
- The Everton players used to say hello and exchange niceties in the tunnel before a derby, when all he and his players could think about was getting on the field and getting stuck in
- His analysis of the Martinez thrashing in the Derbies was correct regarding the naivety of pushing the fullbacks too far forward
My personal opinion: I think it was a vile and disgusting act but also out of character, so I think a suspension and fine would be appropriate; but he'd better hope there's no more skeletons in his closet as the media will no doubt find them.
51 Posted 13/03/2018 at 09:54:55
52 Posted 13/03/2018 at 09:56:46
A Merseyside Police spokesman said: “We can confirm that a 30-year-old man (JC) from the Blundellsands area received a police caution for common assault in relation to an incident on Liverpool Road, Crosby, on Tuesday February 26.
53 Posted 13/03/2018 at 10:19:59
Works for that company which is 40% owned by the company that owns the paper that should not be named. No standards from the cunts.
54 Posted 13/03/2018 at 10:46:05
Whether some Liverpool FC people unearth some racist/homophobic views from the young girl is totally irrelevant as she was an innocent party in this.
I just watched Carra having a nice apologetic interview on BBC Sport. So kind of them to give him a platform. He should be sacked.
55 Posted 13/03/2018 at 10:51:40
Apparently his wife was rightly furious with Carragher, but her toss-pot husband gets a pass?
56 Posted 13/03/2018 at 11:23:42
57 Posted 13/03/2018 at 11:53:55
58 Posted 13/03/2018 at 12:00:03
59 Posted 13/03/2018 at 15:47:43
60 Posted 13/03/2018 at 19:22:32
You dont have to be a “holy joe” to never have done anything wrong. Other than a couple of speeding tickets I havent done anything wrong. Do you know why? Common frigging decency.
Half your post is about Carragher relationship with Everton, which is wholly irrelevant and even mentioning it shows misguided thinking.
Youre entitled to your opinion on what his punishment should be, but the little suspension and a slap on the wrist you suggest only serves to tell me that you and I have very different ideas about what acceptable behaviour in polite society is.
61 Posted 13/03/2018 at 19:31:57
To address your points...
1. The likes of you. Looking for an angle or a subplot as if you want to be the one guy who knows the “full story.”
2. I am mistaken am I? Well arent I glad that I have such a font of knowledge as you around to correct me? Your ability to read whats written and make informed judgements based upon said writings much be vastly superior to mine as to be able to draw more accurate conclusions. Thank you, oh swellhead.
3. I couldnt give two shits about what happens to the father, filming while driving. People are stopped and prosecuted for using their phones in the car every day. This may come as a huge shock but its not something I stand around the office water cooler discussing! That being said, Im sure hell get his come-uppance. The much bigger story is evident and I question why you would serve to deflect from that much bigger story - that of a teenaged girl being spat upon by a celebrity. Its almost as if theres an agenda at work there.
62 Posted 13/03/2018 at 22:48:01
Everyone feels like they have to offer their insights on everything nowadays.
"I think the father shouldn't have..." FFS, he's a nobody! There are people doing stupid things all over the world right now. I'm sitting on the bog posting on ToffeeWeb during work hours... anyone want to provide some special comments on that?
Carragher is an ex footballer turned media pundit. He gets paid very, very well precisely because he has a public profile. Let's face it, it's not because he's a genius.
So my opinion on Carragher. Silly boy with a public profile did a disgusting thing - it's going to rightly cost him his job.
63 Posted 14/03/2018 at 05:17:05
65 Posted 14/03/2018 at 09:21:08
66 Posted 14/03/2018 at 19:16:54
67 Posted 14/03/2018 at 19:32:05
There were a number of offences he committed including Common Assault... however, that would involve the girl and father making a statement; this they didn't want to do.
There was of course the Public Order and driving offence which could have been proved solely by the video.
68 Posted 14/03/2018 at 20:29:45
70% of Liverpool fans say they regularly have sex in the shower
The other 30% haven't been to prison yet.
69 Posted 15/03/2018 at 14:58:06
Regarding a lot of the above comments. His Defence was he had been repeatedly goaded. This from the man who never misses a opportunity to take the piss out of Everton Fans.
70 Posted 15/03/2018 at 19:14:55
So he even spotted the relevant club!
71 Posted 16/03/2018 at 07:37:58
Indefensible behaviour by Carragher but, for what it's worth, I do not believe he spat at the daughter. He spat at the car, so to turn this into a "spat at an innocent teenager" type debate is off piste.
However, as I said, it is indefensible and the comparison with Eddie Jones is moot. But this is football we are talking about where's the dignity these days?
Gentlemen's game played (and pundited) by hooligans was never truer.
72 Posted 16/03/2018 at 13:05:55
Carragher clearly isn't intelligent enough to have given a witty reply. I could have forgiven him swearing or just putting 2 fingers up if he's not smart enough to banter, but in my book, spitting at anyone, is worse than punching them. Sorry but, an apology just doesn't do it.
Of course, the classy thing to do would have been to concentrate on his driving and ignore the jibes. But alas not. He has no class, no intelligence, and is generally useless as a pundit. So exactly how did he get the job with Sky??? Makes you wonder...
73 Posted 19/03/2018 at 22:24:45
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