Are we following the Tottenham project plan?

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There seems to be quite a lot of similarities between Everton and how Spurs have performed after the sale of a top player.

When Spurs sold Bale to Real Madrid in the summer of 2013 for £86m, they went on a spending spree – buying seven players. They went on to finish one place worse off in the 2013-14 season, finishing 6th, one place below Everton. There are only two of the seven players still at the club (Eriksen and Lamella) so five of the seven failed to make the grade.

Spurs went on to finish 5th, 3rd and 2nd in the following seasons and look good to finish in the top four again this season.

Redknapp was replaced by Villas-Boas before the sale – just as Martinez was replaced by Koeman; what followed was a short period under Sherwood before finally getting Pochettino in and settling down.

We can only hope that we follow their lead and find the right man to replace Allardyce, then settle the ship. Spurs also had plans for a new stadium that should be ready in the near future – hopefully we can replicate this as well.

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Henrik Lyngsie
1 Posted 13/02/2018 at 16:52:08
The main thing is that it is extremely difficult to climb the ladder.

Spurs have done extremely well over the past 5 years in particular because Pochettino seems like a very good manager. But even with that relative success how far have they gone and what is next?

They have moved from outside top 4 to a very strong contender for 2-3. Which is remarkable. They are in a really good position and a new stadium underway. But they will be challenged over the coming years.

Firstly to keep their star players. The star players both want to win trophies and they want their wages to match other stars. Apparently Spurs is paying much lower wages than the other top 4 teams.

Secondly, to attract new players either to improve the starting 11 or to replace Kane, Alli, Eriksen or Alderweired whoever leaves first.

The players who can improve spurs team would also be of interest to Man City, Man Utd and Chelsea. It will be very difficult to keep what they have and even more to attract players from the very top.

Everton are in a similar situation just a little down the ladder. We are probably 7 th both in quality and in money. But we want to attract top 6 players in order to improve our squad. Why would anyone good enough for the top 6 join Everton? They wouldn't. So we either pay a premium, take a change or pick up the leftovers.

So there is certainly no guarantees the players we are getting in will improve our team. One could argue that currently we have not settled team. No clear structure and no leadership. No clear formation. Changing central defenders, defensive midfield, No 10, and striker all the time. It is very difficult for a new transfer to settle in the chaos we have been all season.

Spurs is having a very clear structure and it would actually be far easier to integrate into that team for the right player.

Jay Harris
2 Posted 13/02/2018 at 17:13:18
I'm afraid the only comparison with Spurs is how many managers we've been through.

After Moyes and Martinez (season 1), we collapsed to 12th place, recovered to 7th but a mile off the top 6 under Koeman and likewise this season we may limp into 7th but no progress whatsoever.

We have to go back to the drawing board completely at the end of this season and have a major review and overhaul from top to bottom.

Dave Abrahams
3 Posted 13/02/2018 at 19:59:46
I think Spurs were very lucky Redknapp didn't get his hands on the money and go on a spending spree, Portsmouth have never recovered since Harry and his dog were with them while Birmingham City are in dire straights financially after Jamie's dad had a few months there.

We don't know yet the total damage done to Everton after last summer's transfer window cock-up.

David Ellis
4 Posted 14/02/2018 at 04:53:57
Dave – to be fair Portsmouth went bust because the owner suddenly pulled the rug from underneath them; I don't think that was Rednapp's fault. He was give money to spend and spent it. Actually spent it quite well at Portsmouth.

Spurs have shown it is possible to climb the ladder without the kind of money coming from a sugar daddy that City and Chelsea have had. But it will be hard for them to stay there as they are still the weakest financially of the big 6. Even so, it would be great if Everton could get to where Spurs are now – playing Juventus in Champions League knockout stages and doing well...

More realistically, we need to get into a regular top 7 position and effective in the Europa League. And push on from there.

Dave Abrahams
5 Posted 14/02/2018 at 11:58:04
David (4), well he got them to a cup final but the fees paid for the players and the contracts they were given had a lot to do with the club's fall from grace.
Derek Williams
6 Posted 14/02/2018 at 12:13:57
Spurs have Daniel Levy... we have Bill Kenwright.
James Lauwervine
7 Posted 15/02/2018 at 00:24:06
This headline, article and subsequent comments constitute yet another nail in the coffin of depression that I lie in as an Everton fan. We are currently third in the race for 'best of the shit' and we're lucky even to be there considering how terrible we have been.
Phillip Warrington
8 Posted 15/02/2018 at 04:41:56
Spurs are going to upgrade Mauricio Pochettino's contract currently £5.5 million a year. How much are we paying Allardyce? £6.6 million a year... so now you see why people just shake thier heads with a grin from ear to ear and say "It could happen only at Everton FC."
Kunal Desai
9 Posted 15/02/2018 at 06:57:38
We are miles off the Spurs project plan. They have moved six gears above us in four years and this largely down to people who run the club.

I will bang the same old drum again. It's those at the top which run the club that makes the difference. Daniel Levy is a shrewd businessman and has undoubtedly a team working for and aside him that are business savvy. On the other hand we have had a fucking clown running us for thirty years.

Look how quickly they have managed to turn around and construct there new stadium? Everything is at a snail's pace at Everton. Moshiri needs to bring his own people in the summer, start fucking cracking some whips, getting ruthless to move the club forward and certainly remove the dregs that have been decaying this club for decades.

Dermot Byrne
10 Posted 15/02/2018 at 08:21:25
I think we may have been having dreams that will never come true in the current football setup.

Let's look at this country. Man City have huge investment and got it at a time of the stadium being available and Manchester rising as an economic force. Chelsea have the same and are in "global city" London.

Man Utd have huge fan base, big big income, glory years and Manchester too.

Then Liverpool. Liverpool have a big international fan base from their glory years and consequential appeal to players as well as media companies and fans abroad.

Arsenal have the London factor but I feel may be slipping a bit.

So Tottenham and Everton. Similar and I agree Tottenham just seems better run and currently have some good players and a great manager.

So can Everton (or Tottenham) every win the league? Frankly I find it very hard to see. (Top 4 is not my definition of success... it is just a dream that a few quid from Champions League will enable great new players to rush to the club. Doubtful).

We haven't done anything on the pitch for years and our fan base seems to me (I may be wrong) to be local. In many ways, the nice idea of the People's Club set the limit of our ambition. We are a bit like the local shop competing with international supermarkets.

Liverpool as a city may be improving economically from a very low starting point but within an international context it remains a small city who had the Beatles. So, whilst the new stadium will be brill and a statement within the city, it won't send ripples across the world once the first season is over.

Why can Liverpool attract players? Well I think it is how they kept marketing themselves after their period of glories. The Kop is a great story for a TV company when they televise there. It may be "sing when your winning" in reality but easier to sell than the Street End.

Then looking at other Leagues and their dominant clubs. Spain is usually the big two, Germany is Bayern, France is PSG. Anyone else winning their leagues regularly?

I think others on TW see this too. There is a sense of "What's the point?" if every decision in Europe and Premier League football seems to prop up the status quo.

We can then add China and India and other big economies into the mix. They may be only getting players at ends of carers for now but, in a global economy, I would see their football "offers" becoming more and more attractive to media companies and players.

We can emotionally go on about our history and pride. We can criticise some for lowering their expectations for our great club. This may well be justified but to be honest, whatever the expectations of a few thousand fans, they are meaningless in the global context. I miserably fear that when we have got rid of Bill Kenwright and his team, we have a new stadium, and new manager and a few good new players we will still be miles behind other clubs with better locations, fan base and friendly media onside.

But the game is about dreaming and that is what is behind most arguments, fall-outs, accusations and incredible detailed debates on TW. I hope I am very wrong in this analysis but the evidence of the Premier League era and development of the super clubs worries me and I fear we will remain a group of people with broken dreams.

I hope I am very wrong

Derek Thomas
11 Posted 15/02/2018 at 09:47:10
Dermot - Python Lee Jackson - Byrne; I fear you may be right.
Martin Nicholls
12 Posted 15/02/2018 at 09:50:58
Derek#11 - showing your age there!
Derek Thomas
13 Posted 15/02/2018 at 09:57:16
Martin@ 12; I think this is a big part of Dermot's point – if it does ever happen it won't be in the short term. The fact that we both know who Python Lee Jackson was pretty much eliminates us from the long term...

Get a move on, Moshiri... dead men walking here – walking the blue mile.

Laurie Hartley
14 Posted 15/02/2018 at 10:04:20
Dermot – there is one chance of us getting back into the big time and that is if "someone" who is absolutely loaded decides he wants to own a Premier League club that has the potential to compete with the current "Top Four".

I don't think that "someone" is Farhad Moshiri but I do think he knows who it might be.

That is what happened at Man City. They weren't in the race with Man Utd, Liverpool, Arsenal, or Chelsea until the Sheik Mansour stepped in –
strong>after they were practically given a new stadium.

As I see it, the new stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock is the thing that will attract our "someone" to buy into the club. For that to happen, we have to maintain our Premier League status.

It is true that London has its own attraction* and Manchester is a growing force economically but a stadium with a waterfront like that at Bramley-Moore Dock has the potential to attract global businesses to the area.

Peel has that huge tract of water frontage between Bramley-Moore Dock and the Liver Buildings just waiting to be developed. I think the new stadium would be the catalyst that kick-starts the development.

The river frontage is potentially a game changer for the City of Liverpool. In the past (1800s), this gave Liverpool such an economic advantage over The City of Manchester that the latter decided to build the Manchester Ship Canal at the end of that century.

I believe there is a huge prize for "someone" who has the appetite for risk and also the vision to see what that the development of the Liverpool waterfront represents.

If you think this all sounds like pie in the sky (chuckles), fair enough... but this sort of development has happened in other parts of the world and a similar development is on the drawing board in China.

Yangpu Waterfront : From Rustbelt to Brainbelt

[* West Ham are similar proposition to us but they are one step ahead of us because they have been "given" Wembley. Their average home attendance is about 55,000!!!]

There is a lot at stake this season and still plenty of reason to hope – after all it is the hope that keeps you going.

Michael Lynch
15 Posted 15/02/2018 at 10:44:54

Good points, in my opinion. I think you're right to mention West Ham. When they were given that stadium, I assumed they would be challenging for the top 6 within a few years. As you say, they can fill the ground, they're in London, they stadium cost almost nothing. Two problems – the ground is shit, and they don't have a Moshiri.

If we can get the ground right (and it should have a capacity of at least 55,000), we can think about challenging the Manchester clubs. And perhaps that's where our vision tends to be too short-sighted. We need to forget about the Shite, concentrate on what is happening in Manchester. That's where the economic power lies.

We shouldn't be thinking about our Merseyside neighbours – they've peaked, there's nowhere for them to go for the moment. We're still building. We should be aiming to become the Merseyside club in the new football order. Forget about the Shite, Man City are the model we're aiming for.

Dermot Byrne
16 Posted 15/02/2018 at 10:58:02
A great great song that, Derek (#11).
Brian Harrison
17 Posted 15/02/2018 at 11:39:58
I think the only way we are following Spurs is that both clubs have been in the shadow of their neighbours for about 30 years. Although, with the excellent Pochettino, he is building something that could see them overtake their neighbours very soon. They haven't spent the money the other top 5 have spent, but to compete for a regular top 4 place, then I think Levy will have to dig deep. Especially as rumours abound of Real Madrid eyeing up Pochettino in the summer.

I believe, over the last two transfer windows, Everton are in the top 6 spenders in Europe; I guess Moshiri is thinking "How can we spend this amount and be going backwards?"

For me, the key appointment is the manager. What have the top 5 got in common? They have all got top managers... and, apart from Spurs, they are usually amongst the top spenders. But, as the last two transfer windows have showed, it's not only about money but knowing who to buy. Most were happy with the buys in the summer but they bought players without there being a plan of how they wanted to play.

The other thing that the top 5 clubs have is they have players with both pace and power, that seems to be a successful formula and something that should be our model going forward.

Peter Rogers
18 Posted 15/02/2018 at 12:34:18
The whole point is that it can be done. If we can do it is another thing but, from the mistakes we have made with signings and managers, maybe... just maybe, we can progress to the point where we can challenge the top 6 consistently. This won't happen overnight, like we all hoped, but over 3 or 4 seasons.
James Stewart
19 Posted 15/02/2018 at 12:53:58
Mauricio Pochettino single-handedly changed Spurs. Before him they were a mess. Now they are finally beating Arsenal and challenging.

We have had Martinez, Unsworth briefly, Koeman and now Allardyce, some of the worst around.

Until we appoint an up-and-coming young manager with the bit between his teeth, we will continue to be insignificant. Fonseca, Silva, Dyche, Howe... I don't really care – as long as they galvanise the fanbase and bring an identity we can all get behind.

Lawrence Green
21 Posted 15/02/2018 at 13:06:02
Everton have built little or no momentum in the last 20-odd years. Even when it looked as if we could build something beyond the ordinary, a player had to be sold to balance the books or a player or two thought their ambitions were higher than the club's.

Somewhere along the line, Everton FC have to become serious about the 'project' and decide what it is they expect from the playing staff. For far too long, the club has appeared to be drifting from game to game and season to season without any real sense of what it is that they are aiming for.

Until the club as a whole – or, more importantly, the people who run it – become far more ambitious in deed as well as thought, we are never going to hang on to the coat-tails of the established clubs which includes Spurs and Arsenal, never mind overtake them.

Every match in every competition, whether at home or away, has to be treated as a building block in the development of the club and its position in English football, a style of play has to be adopted that suits the players available and a coach who enjoys winning more than he enjoys not losing is a must have for a club that is trying to rebuild its reputation.

The stadium (if/when it happens) can be a catalyst for a higher profile but it's not enough on its own – we have to have star players who can perform consistently well in a side that shares the passion of the fans.

None of the above is easy to achieve but it's not impossible either unless of course the leadership of the club choose the wrong people to carry out their masterplan. Moshiri initially said that there was a small window of opportunity to try and join that elite, but the mistakes of the last two years on and off the park have made the task even more difficult and of course mean that time is running out.

Everton FC are moving into the Liver Building soon and I do hope that their new location on the 7th floor isn't too apt as we don't seem capable of achieving higher than 7th, no matter how much money we spend.

Kevin Tully
22 Posted 15/02/2018 at 13:40:24
There is always one common denominator when it comes to success – the manager. We all witnessed what happened when Moyes was handed a title-winning team at the biggest club in the world.

The second question is, who has the foresight to appoint such a man? We know the chairman is a parochial sort of guy, who likes to be in constant communication with his managers. Moyes, Martinez and Unsworth have all pointed this out. Maybe Koeman wouldn't answer his mobile to 'The Producer?' Would some of the foreign coaches put up with this shite? I doubt it.

Spurs have had some wonderful players down the years; we have had good journeymen who will always put a shift in. We don't really do flair players at Everton, do we? Certainly not in the Premier League era anyway. Even after spending a fortune, we have squad full of 'grafters' who may get us 7th, but they won't do anything of note.

Considering our current squad cost more than Spurs to build: Link you have to ask questions of everyone who has had the slightest input towards these wasted hundreds of millions. I very much doubt that will happen though. There may be an inquest, but who will pay the price in the boardroom for this missed opportunity?

I firmly believe that this club has the potential to rival Spurs, Liverpool and Arsenal, especially if we manage to build an iconic, world class waterfront stadium. Sadly, it won't mean anything unless we can bring the people on board who can make it happen on the pitch.

The current mob have proven beyond any doubt, that they do not have what it takes to turn this ship around. They are too old, too sentimental, and they refuse to modernise their approach. Moshiri probably believes there would be unrest among the fanbase if he got rid of Kenwright & chums. I wonder who would feed him that particular line?

These particular 'Everton turkeys' will not vote for Christmas, not now they are all raking in millions, with hundreds of millions to spend. Why would they want the status quo to change?

Peter Warren
23 Posted 15/02/2018 at 13:47:36
Spurs are light-years ahead in every aspect apart from fans.
Lawrence Green
24 Posted 15/02/2018 at 13:50:05
Kevin (#22),

That link is terrifying when you consider that we have virtually no saleable assets compared to Spurs who probably have two or more players who would command large fees if the rich clubs came knocking.

I'm not an advocate of Everton purchasing players or producing players in order for them to be sold to would-be rivals, but having nobody of note save maybe Pickford who can be sold at a higher fee than he cost us, means that it will be even more difficult to make adjustments to improve the squad.

Kevin Tully
25 Posted 15/02/2018 at 14:09:05
True, Lawrence. It also sends me off the edge when I read people defending our non-League tactics when playing 'the bigger sides'

No excuse, none whatsoever.

David McMullen
26 Posted 15/02/2018 at 17:43:57
One of the things that Everton need to do is qualify for Europe on a regular basis. That means getting 7th and hopefully, through one of the top 6 teams winning the FA Cup, we'd qualify again like last season. Some people are saying it's the kiss of death etc.

But let's face it, Europe goes either way for us – remember when we got 4th and then had a disastrous European campaign in both Champions League and Europa League? Taking that bald runt out the equation. We need to be in Europe.

Simon Jones
27 Posted 16/02/2018 at 09:21:40
I think the difference for Spurs is Pochettino & Levy. They have a guy who seems like a really special, humble man and the players totally respect and they have a demon in the boardroom. They are a fortunate combination, similar to Gill or Edwards & Ferguson at Man Utd, similar to Guadiola and the hierarchy and billions at Man City.

I don't think a great manager alone is enough, the same as a well run club is nothing without a great manager.

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