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1 Posted 01/04/2019 at 16:13:34
Have to agree, the football certainly raised a lot of spirits of the Days ,of a City on its knees, fighting back.
2 Posted 01/04/2019 at 16:50:52
3 Posted 01/04/2019 at 17:19:27
4 Posted 01/04/2019 at 17:28:36
I know that it's a bit of a cliché, but we didn't know that we were poor because everyone was in the 'same boat', with no greenery to play in, the nearest parks Newsham Park, and Stanley Park were too far for us to go to, so we were forced to play 'Togger on the Oller' for younger TWs, that translates to 'Football on the bombed site' and they were the 'Good Old Days?'
5 Posted 01/04/2019 at 21:20:53
Football saved a lot of lives during the dark days of “Thatchers Britain” in our city, and I cant wait to take a trip down memory lane, watching this film, and hope the good times return for our great young supporters, who have seen absolutely nothing...Please!
6 Posted 01/04/2019 at 21:40:29
Our bus was full going down to that Milk Cup Final and as far as I can remember only me, my brother and my red mate had tickets. Every single person got in! What the actual crowd was God knows.
I always thought the tackling in the 70's and 80's was wimpish compared to the 50's and 60's but there was a few tasty ones during some of the Derby highlights, can you imagine them now?
Degsy was right it really was the City against the establishment. I remember Kinnock doing Thatchers hatchet job on us. Bastard
7 Posted 02/04/2019 at 01:38:12
8 Posted 02/04/2019 at 22:10:51
I hope someone manages to find a link for you, well worth a watch.
The woman stood on the barrier flashing her drawers, was to the right of me in the end opposite the tunnel end, later giving a flash of her boobs to the crowd request.
Even from that opposite end of the pitch, you could see Hansons arm deflect the ball away, how the ref missed it I will never know.
9 Posted 02/04/2019 at 22:32:54
I barely knew any of this, because there was virtually no news coverage in the US of Liverpool's economic plight back then. I've seen posts here by some of the older folks talking about the anti-government feelings of that era, but of course I could not possibly understand the passion stirred by this history. I think I understand a bit more now.
And of course the footy history is wonderful.
10 Posted 02/04/2019 at 22:57:16
11 Posted 02/04/2019 at 22:57:22
Kinnock, the well known Socialist.
12 Posted 02/04/2019 at 03:37:11
I don't suppose you'd consider sending me a copy of your recording on dropbox would you? If its actually possible and not a hassle for you like.
13 Posted 03/04/2019 at 12:49:53
14 Posted 04/04/2019 at 01:04:21
15 Posted 04/04/2019 at 02:32:32
16 Posted 04/04/2019 at 03:27:36
I just downloaded your link about 2 hours or so ago. Wouldn't play on QuickTime, downloaded a third party app that plays MP4s on a Mac, and I was off.
What an amazing documentary. That was absolutely wonderful.
I can only echo Mike Gaynes @9. I could not possibly understand the passion stirred by this history.
I'd been told of Thatcher's government and their campaign against the City of Liverpool on these pages. I never had an inkling things were that bad.
For people who haven't seen this, it's a wonderful testament to the people of Liverpool. I highly, highly suggest watching this.
10 out of 10.
Bobby Mallon - if you have a PayPal account, text me at 9048060611. I'd like to transfer $20 and buy you a pint or two. Thank you.
My God that was wonderful. I'll watch it again. Probably multiple times.
17 Posted 04/04/2019 at 11:26:45
18 Posted 04/04/2019 at 11:33:26
19 Posted 04/04/2019 at 11:35:35
20 Posted 04/04/2019 at 16:10:34
Bobby, a beer or two awaits man! Jump at it!
21 Posted 04/04/2019 at 16:34:57
22 Posted 04/04/2019 at 16:38:28
23 Posted 04/04/2019 at 23:14:34
That is the best football documentary EVER!
I am so pumped after watching that, recalling those times.
So much to laugh at.
So much to be saddened by.
So much to get angry at.
So much to be proud of, that the city and the population got up off the mat on the count of 'nine' so many times, refusing to be knocked out and beaten - and WON!
This should be compulsory viewing for anyone with any association to the city.
Thanks again Bobby.
24 Posted 04/04/2019 at 23:44:41
It should be compulsory viewing for any "adopted" Blue like myself to learn and understand the team you're following, and the city it resides in.
I seriously will recommend this to any American I come across who supports Everton.
Bobby - still awaiting that "free prize". . . .
25 Posted 05/04/2019 at 00:03:02
26 Posted 05/04/2019 at 01:50:46
Hillsborough was an appalling tragedy for way more than the 97 who died and their families and friends (and the many more that suffered injury), because on a lesser but still crucial level Heysel robbed us Evertonians of everything, forever. Our loss was not of loved ones admittedly but it was and remains a grievous loss nonetheless.
So yes, I'm still bitter, not against Liverpool FC or their supporters, but just about being denied the opportunity we earned as a club to take on Europe's best and show ourselves to be every bit as successful as any other famous club in Europe.
Lawrenson even says much the same in the program when he said "Heysel seems to have been swept under the carpet." Too right it was, four whole years before Hillsborough.
27 Posted 05/04/2019 at 07:17:41
28 Posted 05/04/2019 at 07:25:59
To this day, I can't watch the 85-86 season. Still too painful; then, one by one, losing our world class players and manager because of their hooligans...
I just pray to the gods that Man City give us a stay of execution until at least next season, when we could conceivably win both derbies and derail them big time.
29 Posted 05/04/2019 at 07:30:04
I thought Everton should have fought this decision, but maybe Phillip Carter, felt he couldnt win, especially because life is the most precious thing of all.
30 Posted 05/04/2019 at 07:58:24
Get real: they murdered 39 people. End of.
31 Posted 05/04/2019 at 09:56:31
I know a few people who think it was a day set up for Liverpool to win it, but thats not how I felt at Wembley. In hindsight, I have often thought it would have been a great, historical event if the two managers had said at the end of 90 minutes “Thats it, game over, lets share the trophy”.
I realise that would have been virtually impossible for Colin Harvey to do amidst the emotion of us having scored a last-minute equaliser. No doubt every Evertonian (including me) would have been talking forever about how we had surrendered our best chance of beating them in a final, but maybe if we had equalised 5 minutes earlier things would have looked different.
There was a very united feeling between Everton and Liverpool supporters following Hillsborough, but some of that dissipated at the end of extra-time due to there being a winner and a loser.
32 Posted 05/04/2019 at 18:13:20
I couldn't agree more. Horrible club, Liverpool... fucked our history up.
33 Posted 05/04/2019 at 23:07:30
Of course Hysel, was a lot worse in terms of what happened, but for a fifteen year old kid, which was my age then, I saw a lot more violence on a regular basis nearlyevery time I went the match in those days, and a lot of people felt it was only a matter of time before something this bad happened, which eventually proved to be the case.
I used to think Philip Carter, should have fought this European ban, but now Im older it doesnt bother me so much now, because life is more important than football, even if it took me most of my life to even realise this, and I can understand 100%, Evertonians, who blame Liverpool, for the ban.
Same tune, different words; BUT THEY GOT US BANNED FROM EUROPE, WE HAD TO SHARE THE BLAME, FOR THE 39 JUVE FANS, AND THEIR ETERNAL SHAME!
34 Posted 05/04/2019 at 23:13:43
I would agree. Brian Murray 30, I wouldn't say they "murdered" because I doubt it was a pre-planned effort to prompt a wall to collapse and kill people. But it was manslaughter and it was inexcusable. It was also the latest in a long series of violent incidents going back 20 years. But the ban whether just or not did have a huge impact on reducing crowd trouble throughout England. That is a positive for everyone including Everton fans.
35 Posted 05/04/2019 at 23:17:31
It was a weird cup final. After Hillsborough (and Michael Thomas stealing the title at Anfield) there was never any doubt that Liverpool would win. Everton made it as good a game as it could be given prevailing circumstances.
36 Posted 05/04/2019 at 00:04:41
As far as I'm concerned actual people have to be held to account for the consequence of their actions. Liverpool fans in 1985 inadvertently or otherwise caused the destruction of our best team ever in terms of European success. We've never come close to recovering, but who knows where we'd be now had we not had to immediately lose so many of our first team and been denied the very real prospect of winning the European Cup?
37 Posted 06/04/2019 at 00:47:37
That isnt true. We did “immediately lose so many of our first team.” The club spent a lot of money to upgrade on Gray and Mountfield with Lineker and Watson. We won the league again two years later. Southall and Watson hung around for another decade and we squeezed every drop of life out of Ratcliffe, Snodin, Sherry, Sharp and Reid over the next four or five years.
38 Posted 06/04/2019 at 09:37:46
I dont know if this was true, but I also feel that Everton, have never really recovered from the events of Hysel, even if it was only 3/4 years beforehand that the clubs fans, were trying to raise the money to sign Terry Curran. (Weve been skint before Bill!)
EUFA, got off Scott-free, because most people agreed that Hysel, was an appalling choice to hold a game of this magnitude, just like the English FA, have never been brought to account for Hillsborough, considering that this stadium never even had a safety certificate?
Kieran, I honestly think that the drug ecstasy, brought about the biggest change with regards to stopping violence at the match, along with the introduction of cctv?
The Merseyside derby has definitely changed now though and even though it took a few years to really kick-in, Hysel, has got to be the biggest reason for things never being the same again.
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