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Jim Bennings
1 Posted 07/05/2019 at 20:08:40
1-0 the Shite!

Where the hell would they be without Origi?

Jim Bennings
2 Posted 07/05/2019 at 20:09:19
Barca need a goal quick before these c**ts get a second
Jim Bennings
3 Posted 07/05/2019 at 20:26:24
Mane started the game like Usain Bolt on heat!
Rob Halligan
4 Posted 07/05/2019 at 20:32:03
My nerves are totally shattered Jim. 😱😱😱
Brian Murray
5 Posted 07/05/2019 at 20:35:18
Barcelona are going to need a away goal
Jim Bennings
6 Posted 07/05/2019 at 20:37:26
We just need a Barcelona goal Rob!

It’s funny watching Liverpool and noticing their most influential players are Henderson and Milner on so many occasions, reminds me of Gareth Barry when he ran games for us.

Rob Halligan
7 Posted 07/05/2019 at 20:40:44
It's all about experience Jim. Older heads using their brain rather than their feet.
Mike Gaynes
8 Posted 07/05/2019 at 20:41:51
Still breathing, Rob?
Jim Bennings
9 Posted 07/05/2019 at 20:41:58
Very true Rob!

Think of Lee Carsley when we finished 4th also?

In the meantime nice to hear two faced Kopites giving Suarez a warm welcome.

Kris Boner
10 Posted 07/05/2019 at 20:44:11
anyone got a stable stream?
Mike Gaynes
11 Posted 07/05/2019 at 20:47:35
I'll be hoping for one at halftime Kris.
Rob Halligan
12 Posted 07/05/2019 at 20:50:54
Mike I feel physically sick. Since the goal I think Barca have been the slightly better team and could have got at least one goal.
Mike Gaynes
13 Posted 07/05/2019 at 20:58:17
Should have, Rob... tried to walk it in.

But they will score and put this away.

Deep breaths, my friend. In... out...

Darren Hind
14 Posted 07/05/2019 at 20:59:27
Barca keep letting the fuckers off the hook. The did it a couple of times in the last few minutes over there.

They need to bury one of these chances and put it to bed

John Hughes
15 Posted 07/05/2019 at 21:03:01
Make me sick this lot. Going on about Sewerat as though we didn’t know. No mention that two Liverpool players went down clutching their faces and replays show contact was minimal and nowhere near the Head area. Surely justice will prevail - come on Barca for Christ’s sake.
Les Newsham
16 Posted 07/05/2019 at 21:08:41
If Messi could turn it on soon and score a few it would be hugely appreciated. Suarez can chip in if he wants.
Jim Bennings
17 Posted 07/05/2019 at 21:12:03

They’ve got more faces than Jeckyll and Hyde that lot.

Mike Gaynes
18 Posted 07/05/2019 at 21:12:12
The Rat missed a golden chance there, right after Barca got away with a pen. We can't complain about the ref in this one.
Mike Gaynes
19 Posted 07/05/2019 at 21:14:03
Alba responsible for both.
Rob Halligan
20 Posted 07/05/2019 at 21:14:14
Them bastards will win this. FFS
Jamie Crowley
21 Posted 07/05/2019 at 21:14:50
FFS come on man. Has it really come to this???

Grrrrrr! 😡😡

Les Newsham
22 Posted 07/05/2019 at 21:15:43
Rob Halligan
23 Posted 07/05/2019 at 21:16:17
Time to switch off. I feel absolutely fucking sick.
Brian Murray
24 Posted 07/05/2019 at 21:16:20
For fuck sake can you believe it
Joe Corgan
25 Posted 07/05/2019 at 21:16:20
Only Liverpool...
Jamie Crowley
26 Posted 07/05/2019 at 21:16:26
You gotta be fuckin’ kidding me.
Jim Bennings
27 Posted 07/05/2019 at 21:16:41
What the fuck happens to these so-called super teams when they travel to that place?

It’s just a shit hole off Breck Road but everyone seems terrified of the Doctor Fun factory

Joe McMahon
28 Posted 07/05/2019 at 21:17:19
Looks like we will be getting an update on BM Dock tomorrow.
Les Newsham
29 Posted 07/05/2019 at 21:18:12
Please God (or whoever) no!
Jim Bennings
30 Posted 07/05/2019 at 21:18:37
Why do Redshite no mark players always seem to do heroic things?

Imagine someone like Schneiderlin scoring two for us in a game like this ?

Rob Halligan
31 Posted 07/05/2019 at 21:19:53
Don't Fucking believe this. Game should have been put to bed in the first half.
Jim Bennings
32 Posted 07/05/2019 at 21:20:00
Can’t see these twats ever losing at Anfield again to be honest under Klopp.

Last home defeat was Swansea in March 2017

Joe McMahon
33 Posted 07/05/2019 at 21:20:30
Jim, you forgot our main striker.
Jim Bennings
34 Posted 07/05/2019 at 21:21:19
If they win this you might as well just hand them the Champions League, no way they’ll lose to Ajax or Spurs let’s be honest.
Craig Walker
35 Posted 07/05/2019 at 21:21:35
Please score Barca and soon.
Joe Corgan
36 Posted 07/05/2019 at 21:21:39
Thing is, Liverpool win this and you just can't see them losing in a final to either Spurs or Ajax...
Les Newsham
37 Posted 07/05/2019 at 21:21:59
Jeez, I missed that, a third chuffing goal! Messi, Suarez, any of you, come on!!!
Jim Bennings
38 Posted 07/05/2019 at 21:22:53
NO way Joe.

Spurs have pissed on their chips this season and are dead, whilst Ajax have been good you feel a Final might overwhelm them.

Jim Bennings
39 Posted 07/05/2019 at 21:23:54
Barcelona have got a bad reputation of late for blowing these first leg leads, looks like it’s happening again.
Chris Leyland
40 Posted 07/05/2019 at 21:23:58
When Barca didn’t get that 4th near the end last week, I knew this wasn’t over. The shite always do it. We can say they are spawny or whatever but you have to say that they have belief and a will to win that we simply don’t possess.
Alan McGuffog
41 Posted 07/05/2019 at 21:24:18
Hate to say it but they are a superb side. Great spirit, great players. Sorry fellas but the next few years are going to be like 1975-85 all over again. Suck it up.
Jim Bennings
42 Posted 07/05/2019 at 21:25:03
I need a Barca goal right now like I need sex with a supermodel.
Jim Bennings
43 Posted 07/05/2019 at 21:26:26

I know they are a great side, if I didn’t despise them so much I’d admire what they do.

Klopp has turned unfit Rodgers players into super human athletes that never seem to tire.

Joe Corgan
44 Posted 07/05/2019 at 21:27:38
Barca just need to sneak one to leave Liverpool needing two more though. Let's hold on to that. 🤞
Les Newsham
45 Posted 07/05/2019 at 21:28:52
We've come on here to see them get knocked out, not this!
Jim Bennings
46 Posted 07/05/2019 at 21:29:30

The way these are at Anfield, you can see them scoring two more here with ease, Barca look gone.

Joe Corgan
47 Posted 07/05/2019 at 21:30:10
Don't piss on my chips Jim. I need to believe!! :)
Jim Bennings
48 Posted 07/05/2019 at 21:30:31
Contrast how fit James Milner is compared to Rooney at the same age.

The benefits of looking after one's body.

Jim Bennings
49 Posted 07/05/2019 at 21:31:03
Joe, I've pissed my pants – let alone on your chips!
Andy Meighan
50 Posted 07/05/2019 at 21:31:54
Too much gloating going on here last week and I never felt confident for one minute, even 3-0 up. I hate them but what a fucking side!!! No Salah or Firmino either...

And another thing: watch Brighton play like it's their Champions League Final on Sunday... Man City to draw and they'll fuck Wolves. Just unreal...

Jim Bennings
51 Posted 07/05/2019 at 21:33:06
Makes you realise what an achievement it was by our defence to only concede one goal (a monumental fuck up from Pickford) to this Liverpool side this season.
Joe Corgan
52 Posted 07/05/2019 at 21:33:46
Anyone see that video of Liverpool fans letting off all kinds of fireworks outside the Hilton overnight?
Joe McMahon
53 Posted 07/05/2019 at 21:34:21
This is horrible, more piss taking, at work, infact everywhere.
Jim Bennings
54 Posted 07/05/2019 at 21:36:17
Success couldn’t come to a worse bunch of supporters Joe, they are horrible scum.

Take a look at the videos of them all getting kicked out of the Newcastle end on Saturday night for goading Geordies trying to cause fights, horrible bastards that think the world should bow to them.

Jim Bennings
55 Posted 07/05/2019 at 21:38:27
Barca have disappeared as an attacking force.
Jim Bennings
56 Posted 07/05/2019 at 21:38:49
I don’t believe it
Jamie Crowley
57 Posted 07/05/2019 at 21:39:05
Holy fuck.
Jim Bennings
58 Posted 07/05/2019 at 21:39:16
Barcelona are a fuckin joke.
Joe Corgan
59 Posted 07/05/2019 at 21:39:38
If Suarez scored now, do you think he'd stick to his promise to not celebrate? :)
Brian Williams
60 Posted 07/05/2019 at 21:39:45
It'll end up 4-1 don't worry lads.
Jim Bennings
61 Posted 07/05/2019 at 21:40:00
How can Barcelona have allowed this!!????
Phil Martin
62 Posted 07/05/2019 at 21:40:11
I give up.
Jamie Crowley
63 Posted 07/05/2019 at 21:40:36
Of course they'd get one that way.

Classless cunts.

Jim Bennings
64 Posted 07/05/2019 at 21:40:40
No Salah and Firmino — how the fuck is this happening????
Les Newsham
65 Posted 07/05/2019 at 21:41:10
Please be right, Brian.
Joe Corgan
66 Posted 07/05/2019 at 21:41:11
Christ sake. Is this what happens when you're a world-class side that only plays a few tough games per season? Barcelona look like amateurs.
Paul Gallagher
67 Posted 07/05/2019 at 21:41:19
Not over yet, Barca Just need a goal, Suarez anyone?
Jim Bennings
68 Posted 07/05/2019 at 21:41:44
The way these cunts are, it would just be like City to draw at Brighton on Sunday and these twats win that as well.
Jim Bennings
69 Posted 07/05/2019 at 21:42:37
Paul, Barca don't even look like scoring, they've died of death at this shit hole.
Joe McMahon
70 Posted 07/05/2019 at 21:42:41
This is awful. And we settle for 11 years of Moyes, no trophies for decades and strikers who don't score.
Les Newsham
71 Posted 07/05/2019 at 21:42:45
When can we do this?
Paul Gallagher
72 Posted 07/05/2019 at 21:44:21
Funny, I may be delusional, but I don't feel nervous tonight, almost like I expect Barca to win.
Anthony Murphy
73 Posted 07/05/2019 at 21:44:39
When will this ever end?
Eugene McLoughlin
74 Posted 07/05/2019 at 21:45:02
Get used to it... as Jim says, City will fucking draw with Brighton and those chunks will win the Premier League as well.
Joe Corgan
75 Posted 07/05/2019 at 21:45:27
What is it about our clubs that you KNOW Liverpool will always, always come good and we will always fuck things up?

Liverpool losing 3-0? They'll probably win 4-3.
Everton winning 3-0? We'll probably lose 4-3.

Such different fortunes!

Andy Meighan
76 Posted 07/05/2019 at 21:45:30
Go on, all we want. Give them credit – they're a great side. Let's face it, we'll never see nights like this... never, ever!!

Alright for you Yanks. Yeah, I'm sure it hurts but think of us poor bastards going to work listening to the gloating bastards tomorrow. It's a nightmare!!!

Jim Bennings
77 Posted 07/05/2019 at 21:47:05
Whatever they do or whatever they do in their academy is miles away from what we are doing.

We can crow about winning the Under 23 league but, when it comes to first-team performances, the likes of Alexander-Arnold are a million miles away from the likes of Kenny.

Jay Woods
78 Posted 07/05/2019 at 21:47:45
I think we all knew when Dembele fluffed the chance to give Barca 4-0 last week that it was their death warrant. I was so angry with him for that because this tonight is exactly what was coming, knowing how jammy that shower are and also how gutless Barca are away from home at this stage of the Champions League.
Tom Bowers
79 Posted 07/05/2019 at 21:47:57
Only RS can have the hand of God getting them through this.

Remember the final in Turkey? We should never be surprised at anything they get. Charmed is an understatement.

Jim Bennings
80 Posted 07/05/2019 at 21:48:22
I'll be honest I don't know quite how City are still above this lot. I despise them but they have been quite simply outrageous this season.
Jim Bennings
81 Posted 07/05/2019 at 21:50:48
I think we all know full well that they will still find a way to win the league on Sunday. I'm just fully expecting City to fuck up and draw 1-1 while the Kop wank fest continues against Wolves.
Joe Corgan
82 Posted 07/05/2019 at 21:51:38
Agreed Jim. City's 29-m goal against Burnley. A worldy from Kompany last night. City look like they're running on fumes while Liverpool are just relentless.

I can definitely see City bottling it against Brighton while Liverpool play Wolves off the park.

Andy Meighan
83 Posted 07/05/2019 at 21:52:35
They've got an average player in Origi who has just scored 3 important goals in a few days... and we've got Calvert-Lewin who couldn't score in The Grafton with a tenner sticking out of his ear. Yet some on here think he's something special... Ffs — it beggars belief.
Jim Bennings
84 Posted 07/05/2019 at 21:53:07

I didn’t think I’d see a Liverpool side that would better the success they had in the 70’s or 80’s but this current side is getting very close sadly

Joe McMahon
85 Posted 07/05/2019 at 21:54:28
Jay @78, totally agree. They were always gonna turn this around. A million miles apart from Everton.
Joe Corgan
86 Posted 07/05/2019 at 21:57:29
Bloody hell. 2 minutes worth of time wasting during injury time and the ref STILL blows up 4 seconds early. Talk about having it all your own way.
Jamie Crowley
87 Posted 07/05/2019 at 21:58:02
Let the spunkfest begin from the soccer “establishment”.
Steve Ferns
88 Posted 07/05/2019 at 21:58:46
You just gotta take your hat off and let the kopites enjoy their moment.
Stephen Brown
89 Posted 07/05/2019 at 21:59:07
I actually feel ill after that! I hate football!!!
Jay Woods
90 Posted 07/05/2019 at 21:59:40
Let's hope it's Ajax in the final because Spurs have a yellow streak in them as big as Barca have.
Paul Gallagher
91 Posted 07/05/2019 at 21:59:45
I know one person that won't be watching the Champions League final.
Gordon Crawford
92 Posted 07/05/2019 at 21:59:57
I can’t believe them. Sadly this time we can’t say it was a fluke. Feel sick right now.
Mike Jones
93 Posted 07/05/2019 at 22:00:38
They deserved to win that. I’ve no problem with the players, it’s the arsehole fans who I share this City with who I despise.

Colin Metcalfe
94 Posted 07/05/2019 at 22:02:00
I think I will stay in bed all day tomorrow... absolutely gutted!!
Joe McMahon
95 Posted 07/05/2019 at 22:03:01
Sadly Thier side is full of winners. I'm not gonna big up Unsworth and the U23s, what's the f**king point.
Shane Corcoran
96 Posted 07/05/2019 at 22:03:56
For the first time I almost don’t begrudge them. I mean, I’d still have laughed if Barca had scored, but Barca were beyond awful. Little doubt they’ll win it.
Joe Corgan
97 Posted 07/05/2019 at 22:04:30
Working in the city-centre, as I do, I wonder if my boss will let me work from home for the next month or so.
Brent Stephens
98 Posted 07/05/2019 at 22:04:38
Sunday is on;y going one way after that. Imagine the adrenalin going in against Wolves after that. You'd run through a brick fecking wall.
Rob Halligan
99 Posted 07/05/2019 at 22:05:07
Thank Fuck I'm away in the week leading up to the final and not back until 3 days after. I couldn't bear driving or walking round Liverpool watching all those Fucking banners and flags waving out of houses and cars.
Jeff Armstrong
100 Posted 07/05/2019 at 22:05:19
Jay 78, just knew when Dembele fucked up last week what would happen, 4-0 and the shite where out, 3-0 was do-able and so it proved, we’ve seen it over and over for years and I’m fucking sick of it,as someone said above, when will it ever end!!
Darren Hind
101 Posted 07/05/2019 at 22:05:53

They've won fuck all yet. City win at Brighton and a deflated knacked shite team will have to overcome a very good Ajax team.

It aint over till its over

David Pearl
102 Posted 07/05/2019 at 22:06:50
Fckkkkkkk yep turning off my phone. Redshite. No living with them. If kane and Son are fit l would rather them make the final as l don't think Ajax can live with them. Come on Wolves for the weekend, City are also looking shaky.
Jim Bennings
103 Posted 07/05/2019 at 22:07:47
I’m disappearing a week before the final and a week after.
Jay Wood

104 Posted 07/05/2019 at 22:08:42
Opps! That wasn't the agreed script.

I want the 'poo to lose every single game as much as any Blue man, woman or child. But I can also acknowledge good football and astonishing resilience and endurance. And this Liverpool team has it in spades. Nowt to do with luck, poor referees or a biased media.

Anthony A Hughes
105 Posted 07/05/2019 at 22:09:06
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Jeff Armstrong
106 Posted 07/05/2019 at 22:09:19
Can’t see spuds beating Ajax but can’t see them beating the RS in the final either, looks like number 6 for them and what is it 8 or 9 finals, feels embarrassing ever mentioning our single European success.
Kunal Desai
107 Posted 07/05/2019 at 22:09:26
Only need Brighton to fuck it up on sunday and then book that one way ticket to the moon.
Kieran Kinsella
108 Posted 07/05/2019 at 22:12:13
I'm not in England so I can get away with this. but credit to them for getting it done. Klopp is manic and annoying but Roy Evans apart he is the least dislikeable Liverpool manager I can remember. Milner always seemed like a decent sort, Robertson puts that Kieran Tierney who Rodgers was trying to flog to us into the shade.

My hope is that their success motivates the Everton (sorry pretending to be Koeman) to redouble our efforts. Arsenal's success in the early 90s seemed to kicn Chelsea into gear and that in turn seemed to Spur Tottenham. Hopefully we can kick it up several notches and watch future classics involving us and them rather than City or Barce.

Trevor Peers
109 Posted 07/05/2019 at 22:12:22
Ajax have history against the shite they battered them in the 60s. History has a habit of repeating itself✌
Andy Meighan
110 Posted 07/05/2019 at 22:12:27
Correct, Jay. Throw in a manager who the players would die for and you've pretty much nailed it. I wish I was living in Brazil though, right now, like you. Can you imagine what I'm gonna get tomorrow off cretins who've never been in their lives? Can't wait...
Bill Watson
111 Posted 07/05/2019 at 22:12:36
Shit. I've had a total media blackout all night and just seen the score.
Just hope City scramble past Brighton.
Tommy Surgenor
112 Posted 07/05/2019 at 22:12:41
Credit where credit is due but my god how poor were Barca.

I don’t think they had a shot after the 4th went in? Fighting for their champions league lives and they come narrow and play crab football.

If that was city they would have had someone hugging the touch line and taking on their man trying to make something happen.

That is why I believe Ronaldo is the GOAT. Messi just looked defeated and disinterested when they needed him most.

Rob Halligan
113 Posted 07/05/2019 at 22:13:03
Listen everyone. City will win the league. I repeat



David Pearl
114 Posted 07/05/2019 at 22:13:44
Yes Kunal, a ToffeeWeb get together! I'd prefer Mars though
Liam Reilly
115 Posted 07/05/2019 at 22:14:32
Wasn't t hat long ago Everton were ahead of them in the league and arguably had better players.

That's what good recruitment can do as opposed to our kid in a candy store approach.

Kieran Kinsella
116 Posted 07/05/2019 at 22:14:34

One difference between Messi and Ronaldo is that Messi seems to throw the towel in when the going gets tough. I've seen it many times for Argentina, saw it last year versus Roma. In contrast, Ronaldo seems to relish those backs-to-the-walls moments

Darren Hind
117 Posted 07/05/2019 at 22:15:02
The Shite were 18/1 to win the CL this avvy. Now they're 4/9.
Oliver Molloy
118 Posted 07/05/2019 at 22:15:09
Man City will win the league and do the treble and widermouth will win the CL.
Alan McGuffog
119 Posted 07/05/2019 at 22:15:20
They are a superb club and team. What astounds me is that after a night like tonight they will still take time out to take the piss out of us. And then wonder why we are praying for a City win on Sunday
Tony Abrahams
120 Posted 07/05/2019 at 22:15:20
It’s going to be bad enough having to listen to them c**ts without listening to Jim Bennings as well.

Sorry Jim, but they have produced Arnold, who is a fucking brilliant young player, but then who was the last one before that mate?

Pace and power won the night, effort and commitment overcame a team without too many gears, and too much complacency, but when English clubs reigned in Europe, before the European ban, this is exactly how it was done?

I hope Spurs get the final tomorrow night, but I’m going to have to lend money off someone (Dave?) because I'm not sure I could be in this City, when the sky reds start getting their flags out.

Joe McMahon
121 Posted 07/05/2019 at 22:15:59
Jeff @106, it's also why Rafa was correct incomparison to them. You only have to look at most of our squad, a striker that doesn't score and giving Baines another year. They have a different mentalilty, it's the fans that I just can't stand.
Jim Bennings
122 Posted 07/05/2019 at 22:17:13
Got to put up with all the horn beeping pricks now outside.

Fuckin despise Kopites I really do, hate them with a passion and I’m gonna go out on Thursday and buy the shirt of whoever wins tomorrow’s other semi, Ajax or Spurs and wear it every single day until the Final.

Kunal Desai
123 Posted 07/05/2019 at 22:18:03
Does show what happens when you have a plan and strategy in place and employ a very good manager. These lot along with Spurs were at a similar level to us back 2013 when Rodgers got sacked. Look at both sides now. Thanks Kenwright.
Kieran Kinsella
124 Posted 07/05/2019 at 22:18:39
Tony 120

They've also got Joe Gomez, they had Sterling (OK via QPR but DCL wasn't truly homegrown either) not to mention Fowler, Owen, Carragher, and McManaman in the time we have produced just Rooney of note. It is unpleasant to accept but it is true

Darren Hind
125 Posted 07/05/2019 at 22:18:45
Barca were a fucking disgrace. They may have world class players, but they were simply bullied out of that.

Totally gutless

James Hughes
126 Posted 07/05/2019 at 22:19:09
Just want to say two things.
second, c'mon Everton sort yourself out and match these twats.

Last of all, night to everyone
please note this was not prefixed by 'good'

Craig Walker
127 Posted 07/05/2019 at 22:19:46
When they got the 2nd it was inevitable. I said to my brother that Dembele needed to get that 4th and he told me to stop being daft. They never know they’re beaten in these Euro games. They didn’t win a single away game in the group did they but are in another final? I didn’t even have 24 hours of being smug back after Kompany’s goal. I have to tell my 8 year old lad tomorrow that they won 4-0. I feel sick. I can’t see Ajax beating them and I would never back Spurs against them lot. Spurs batter us and roll over against them. It’s hard being a Blue. Very hard. I just hope City hold their nerve.
Dave Abrahams
128 Posted 07/05/2019 at 22:20:49
I backed the bastards as insurance because I can’t pick my fuckin’ nose when I bet, so even when I bet to lose I fuckin’ win. As Jay says (104) can’t argue with that win.


Jeff Armstrong
129 Posted 07/05/2019 at 22:21:32
Wow Jim that’ll be a bit wiffy come mid May
Tony Hill
130 Posted 07/05/2019 at 22:21:40
Yup, Jay Wood is right. I find that victory less galling because they thoroughly deserved it. They were superb. We need, at one and the same time, to put them out of our heads, and to use them as a benchmark for mental strength and pure will.

Remember, we lost our empire and they started to gain theirs at the very time back in 1970-71 when we looked strongest. Clutching at historical straws but it's a night for doing that.

As things stand they have won no more than us or Huddersfield.

Anthony A Hughes
131 Posted 07/05/2019 at 22:24:28
After watching them destroy Barca it really hits home. We really need to get our act together as a club.
1. Get the stadium issue on the go and up and running.
2. Lets get some European football and stop worrying about the Europa League being a hindrance.
3.Lets get some top quality footballers in and stop getting never will be's for the reserves.
4.Lets stop pissing around talking about "the kids" (most of them in their early twenties),who are permanent jam for tomorrow who the majority of are barely performing at lower levels.
They're never going to be the answer

Lets act like a so called big club or forever be second best to that shower across the park

Robin Cannon
132 Posted 07/05/2019 at 22:28:29
That was about as miserable as can be.

Honestly, I prefer them to win the league over City. "Being Liverpool" is bad, being a vehicle for sportswashing a human rights abusing regime is worse.

But instead they're going to go and win the fucking Champions' League again.

Joe McMahon
133 Posted 07/05/2019 at 22:28:51
Tony H, football is global now, and football fans allover the world will have seen this performance. Talk of Everton in 1970 and a world audience is unsumoutable.
Denny Kerr
134 Posted 07/05/2019 at 22:30:44
Can you believe that !

However if we are all honest with ourselves, we just knew that could happen.

I hate Liverpool, and so many times they win undeservedly, but unfortunately we can't say it this time.

Wouldn't we love to see Everton have the fitness levels, and the desire to win that their players showed tonight ?

I hate the media commentary we are going to have put up with now, and the classless Liverpool fans exercising their bragging rights to the very limits, but what else would we expect ?

As for Klopp, well it may not be popular on here, but I like him, and wish we had him. He must be an unbelievable motivator, never mind tactical coach.

So what does this all mean for us Evertonians ?
Well, the great thing about football is that in a few months another season starts, and everyone starts off equal.

I'd like us to learn from this game tonight, because it absolutely shows us that passion, intensity, fitness, and a never say die attitude, gets results, and makes you a winner.

Rob Halligan
135 Posted 07/05/2019 at 22:30:48
The best thing to do with every red shite twat you know, is not to ignore them, or call them the jammiest spawny bastards on earth. but patronize them. Just tell them "yeah you played superb and fully deserve to be in the final" That will probably rile them even more.

Joe Corgan
136 Posted 07/05/2019 at 22:31:12
Don't think we've even mentioned that they just did that without Salah, Firmino and Keita.
Chris Leyland
137 Posted 07/05/2019 at 22:32:39
Cling to the hope that City win on Sunday and Ajax or Spurs overcome them in the final. Complacency in the final may be their only downfall. They think that they’ve got it won already and so do all of us. Imagine the crushing disappointment of losing the league on the final day and then losing a final you are expected to win.
Tony Hill
138 Posted 07/05/2019 at 22:32:47
I agree, Joe @133, I think.

We can only try, with the same will, to create something enduring for ourselves from now on. There is no choice. Either this puts steel into us or we carry on melting.

Sam Hoare
139 Posted 07/05/2019 at 22:32:52
Hard to see them losing to either Ajax or especially to Spurs but imagine how sweet that would be if they ended up with 97 league points and beat Barca 4-0 to reach a CL final and still ended the season without trophy!!

As much as I hate them their quality of football and mental resilience deserves acknowledgement. They have been superb this season. Lets hope they fall at the final hurdles!

Darren Hind
140 Posted 07/05/2019 at 22:34:31
Strange thread.

People bigging up the shite, others thinking its a good idea to slag our players off - Because that'll change the result.

I'm not having these premature coronations.
When City beat brighton on Sunday I will seek out the gobshites I know and I will offer sincere condolences and I will say "what a pity, you couldnt win at the old lady. . Otherwise you'd have won it"

Rob Halligan
141 Posted 07/05/2019 at 22:35:38
Anyone got Rip Van Winkles contact number? I want to know how he managed to fall asleep for twenty years?
Tony Abrahams
142 Posted 07/05/2019 at 22:36:09
Kieran, I personally think Everton’s kids have kept the club from going into administration during the Kenwright years, with everyone of the players you mention all being at least 15 years ago.

Gomez was from Charlton, but it wasn’t my point anyway, read Tony Hill first paragraph @130, because it makes a lot more sense than blaming ourselves, and I also believe the more you concentrate on yourself, then the better you should become, so fuck Liverpool, because we are fucking Everton!

Anthony A Hughes
143 Posted 07/05/2019 at 22:38:21
For the sanity of every Everton who lives in the city we can only hope they come away with nothing this season. Some of the out and out gobshites I come across in work are off the scale. All you get is the "bitter blue" shit because we aren't supporting a fellow English team in Europe
Jim Bennings
144 Posted 07/05/2019 at 22:38:50
Anthony 131

Great points made.

Martin Samuel had a small column on us in the Mail today about it being pathetic so many think it’s a good thing that we have actually finished below newly promoted Wolves (how the hell that can be a good thing?) and miss out on the Europa League.

Samuel goes on to say if a club the size of Everton can’t cope with European demands then what’s the point?

It’s a pathetic attitude and all we are playing for every season is finishing 8th to avoid Europe if that’s the way to go?

How about Everton got onto Europe next season and actually prepare for it better next season and try and win it?

Christ in a crunch, if a shite Arsenal team can get to the Semi Final and likely Finalists, then who knows what Everton could do with a bit of bottle and belief.

Rob Halligan
145 Posted 07/05/2019 at 22:40:06
I agree Darren. I don't know why some think tonight will affect city in any way shape or form?

City will comfortably beat Brighton, and what happens at Analfield will have no consequence, even if the shite stuff Wolves 10 - 0.

Chris Leyland
146 Posted 07/05/2019 at 22:41:19
And then we need to move on as a club and as fans. I’m sick of pinning my hopes on a Liverpool failing. I want nights like that at Goodison.

I was fortunate to be at the CWC semi against Bayern in 85 and it is a night that will live with me forever.

I was at the QPR game when we won the league in 85 and at Carrow Road when we won again in 87. These are days that I still remember. I queued up for hours to get into the Street End for the QPR game and just as we were going in, my dad got kicked by a police horse. He was in agony for the whole match but rode the pain to see the joy of winning the league.

I was 16 when I went on the coach with my mates to Carrow Road and I still remember my mate Sid trying to revise for his O Levels on the way. I didn’t take any revision: he’s now a consultant Dr and I’m not but when psycho scored the winner it was worth it.

I want my son, now 14, to have the memories I’ve been lucky enough to have.

Tom Bowers
147 Posted 07/05/2019 at 22:41:36
All Barca had to do was park the bus and prevent an early goal but they just don't have the personnel to employ those tactics as most other teams do.

The coach must have known that RS had nothing to lose and would throw the kitchen sink at them but he and his players played right into RS's hands.

Now gobshite Klopp will probably get a knighthood.

It's been a season in Champions league of shocking results but this takes the biscuit.

Paul Birmingham
148 Posted 07/05/2019 at 22:45:14
He’ll has been raised and the hordes will be in full spout for the next 6 weeks.

I’m working away the next 2 days, thank God, but it’s gonna be the pits now.

Dembeles misses late on last week,proved very costly, but it’s the manner that never changes.

I’m thinking now which team will be the better one for them to play, and personally I reckon Ajax, but they are an up and coming team, may be the birth of a new golden era in Dutch football.

Regardless let’s hope a City do the business at Brighton, that’s got to happen, else it will be time to emigrate..

Jim Bennings
149 Posted 07/05/2019 at 22:45:47
The media might have us believe that we should all want an English team to win in Europe but not another single fan of any Premier League club wants Liverpool to win anything this season.

Read some of the forums and the hostility towards the Shite reaches ToffeeWeb levels.

As I said earlier, Kopites caused mayhem at Newcastle on Saturday night and some videos showed violence between them and Newcastle fans both inside and outside St James Park, but because it’s Liverpool fans not a word is said in the papers, yet a couple of scraps we had at Millwall was all over the news.

Still beggars belief how not a single arrest was made after last years attack on the Man City team bus.

Rob Halligan
150 Posted 07/05/2019 at 22:46:35
Paul, no point in emigrating because the bastards are everywhere, except in Liverpool.
Rob Halligan
151 Posted 07/05/2019 at 22:46:35
Paul, no point in emigrating because the bastards are everywhere, except in Liverpool.
Charles Barrow
152 Posted 07/05/2019 at 22:47:10
Barcelona were gutless. Lost the 50 50s. Amazing that yet again complacency plays a role no matter what the coach says.
Tony Hill
153 Posted 07/05/2019 at 22:48:34
As others have said, we should not underrate how appalling Barcelona were. For the second season running they have been jellyfish. We could have all English European finals. I thought the difference in fitness levels tonight was alarming.
Tony Abrahams
154 Posted 07/05/2019 at 22:49:07
Jim, its only pathetic to some people mate. It was only two months ago that people wanted Silva out, and this club has been a car crash since Martinez, first season, (or since the days of Kendall Mk1?) so maybe a good transfer window, a good pre-season, and a good start to next season, might even see us give the Europa lge a big swerve, and we can concentrate on getting straight into the champions lge?

We will only do that if we can all get behind the team though, so let’s stop giving Liverpool too much thought and let’s start concentrating on EVERTON FC!

Denis Richardson
155 Posted 07/05/2019 at 22:50:02
Had a horrible feeling this would happen. 3-0 sounds comfortable but concede an early goal and suddenly the momentum’s all one way.

Still unbelievable and totally gutted - Barca just didn’t turn up.

City won’t bottle at home so all hope now on Ajax to do a repeat of ‘95. Can’t see spurs getting to the final anyway.

Always knew hiring Klopp would be a turning point for them. Like him or loath him he consistently gets the best out of the players he manages. They’d run through a brick wall for him. Can’t say that of any Everton manager in at least 20 odd years!

Come on Ajax!!

Phillip Warrington
156 Posted 07/05/2019 at 22:54:21
great point Anthony 131 we should be doing whatever it takes to get into Europe and have nights like rs have just had, even if it's in the Europa league. Because the only way we can bridge the gap is continually playing in Europe, which will make the better players want to play for Everton
Tony Abrahams
157 Posted 07/05/2019 at 22:57:33
You can’t underestimate how important real fitness, and desire, really are in top level sport Tony.

I know you will already know this, but you only had to be at Goodson the other week against United, to see how important this side of the game really is?

I don’t know the stats tonight, (I hate stats, but not this one though) but when we played United, every Everton player ran about 750 meters, more than every United player, and it didn’t half show by the end.

Joe Corgan
158 Posted 07/05/2019 at 23:00:23
Denis 155: You're right. City won't bottle it at home. Bloody shame they're playing away then! :)
David Pearl
159 Posted 07/05/2019 at 23:01:25
Oh well what we have to do is find out what hotel the redshite are staying at and the night before let off 1000s of fireworks.
Bill Watson
160 Posted 07/05/2019 at 23:02:19
If I had to choose then I'd prefer them to win this than the PL. At least they can't scramble the PL on goal difference unless they draw and City get tonked 5-0.
It's City's to win or lose.
Denis Richardson
161 Posted 07/05/2019 at 23:08:11
Haha. Thanks for the correction Joe.

Was convinced they were playing at home. Shit!

Kieran Kinsella
162 Posted 07/05/2019 at 23:12:40
Tony Abraham 157

Agreed. The lack of energy was a big issue under Martinez and Koeman. Silva seems to have addressed that. Earlier this year even it was an issue as stats showed we never got the second ball but that has changed. It’s amazing how many goals you get if you anticipate the keeper spilling it and run in. Or how many you save if you do the same at your own end. Quality is key but work rate makes a big difference

Andy Crooks
163 Posted 07/05/2019 at 23:12:48
Darren, spot on at 140 that there are some on here who will use Liverpool's win to slag off our players. Andy Meighan @ 83 that is fucking snide and shameful. I suspect you are proud of it, though.
Dan Parker
164 Posted 07/05/2019 at 23:15:51
I hate kopites but as a team of players, I thought they were outstanding as is Klopp as a man manager (unfortunately). They don’t have any nasty shites like Carragher, Lovren and Carragher anymore. Barcelona completely choked, shows how high the standard is in the premier league.

Their revenue is so much higher than ours, it’s the board, Brands and Silva’s job to return us back up there as well. A daunting task...

I just pray it’s not the double next weekend.

Brent Stephens
165 Posted 07/05/2019 at 23:18:24
Nobody is bigging up the shite. I’m afraid the shite bigged up themselves. Let’s face it, if we’d have been in that situation, 3-0 down and won like that, against Barca...


Paul Birmingham
166 Posted 07/05/2019 at 23:22:05
Alas Rob, your right.

Praying City do the business at Brighton.

Then we can summon the Gods to grant us deliverance next season, starting with Ajax beating them in the Champions League final, assuming they see off Spurs.

Football is a funny old game..

Tony Twist
167 Posted 07/05/2019 at 23:37:38
I still think the RS will do the double and city will mess up last game of the season. I hope to God that I am wrong but with the champions league I felt Barca would be the only team that would give them a game. The result tonight didn't surprise me, I felt whoever scored first would go on to win. Things never change, they are and always will be Lucky Liverpool in my eyes.
Tony Abrahams
168 Posted 07/05/2019 at 23:38:21
Kieran, I don’t want to talk about Liverpool much, but they must get more goals than any other team because of the turnovers they make in their opponents half.

I just knew they would score when Arnold, just went forward at pace when Alba, gave the ball away so cheaply.

Just read how they sold us the wrong left back, so thats a good place for us to start from next season!

Rob Halligan
169 Posted 07/05/2019 at 23:39:43
I said the other day, the only difference between us and Spurs, points wise, and assuming we beat them this weekend, will be 14 points. They will have lost the same number of games as us, the big difference being they will have only drawn one compared to our eight. Seven draws, of which I'd say at least five we could have won would have seen us challenging for a champions league place next season. Add in the Newcastle and Fulham debacles, and we'd have been right in the mix.

Spurs though, will be in next season's CL, while we ponder who we will be playing in the second round of the carabao cup. Everyone, club and fans alike, need to start thinking big, and pretty dam quick. The EL should be our minimum target at least at the start of every season. Those that don't like the EL because it means playing Thursday then Sunday, then tough shit. Beggars can't be choosers. Who knows when we will qualify for the EL, never mind the CL, and we have to be prepared to have a good to at it when it arrives.

This season we, in my opinion anyway, should have finished above Wolves. Forget the fact that everyone thinks they may have played more enterprising football, this is a team that lost home and away to Huddersfield. Huddersfield FFS, a team that have only won three games all season.

This is Everton football club we are talking about here. One of the biggest clubs in English football, a club steeped in tradition, a club who are fourth in terms of league titles won, a club who have spent four years out of one hundred and forty one years in the top flight of English football. We should be in Europe every year, and it Fucking pisses me right off watching those RS bastards year after year challenging for all the top trophies, while some on here belittle the Europa league. You've got to be in it to win it, so let's qualify for it in twelve months time and go and win it.

Darren Hind
170 Posted 07/05/2019 at 23:42:03
Barca defenders are finished Tony. Living on past glories.

Any team in from the championship would have offered more resistance than them tonight.

Brent Stephens
171 Posted 07/05/2019 at 23:48:38
The rs are going to win the European silverware. No use saying how bad all those other teams were.
Rob Halligan
172 Posted 07/05/2019 at 23:50:26
Gerard pique seems to have been around for years, Darren. I remember him playing for man Utd which seems like absolute years ago. It's like United now, they've got a terrible back four and it's showing. Did you know De Gea, Smalling, Phil Jones and Ashley Young have all been part of their defensive line up since 2011.
Stu Gore
173 Posted 07/05/2019 at 23:53:02
Bright side Bright side. We are always good the season after Watford lose an FA Cup final! There we go. Stop listening to the BadgeBadgeBestFansFiveTimesBadgeBadgeScarfSelfie media and lets beat Spurs. They have won nothing yet. This could be THEIR ‘86.
Darren Hind
174 Posted 07/05/2019 at 23:55:51
No use crowning them Champions before Sunday either

"Sunday is only going one way after that"

I'm not interested in people bowing and scraping to them . . . and lets make them win the final before we hand over the European silverware too

Andrew Keatley
175 Posted 07/05/2019 at 00:01:31
Seeing the commitment of those Liverpool players was pretty impressive. Barcelona seemed to think they had done enough in the first leg, and their inability to kill the tie off when they had their chances was their undoing. When you take the club itself (and its history) out of the equation, there have been far more unlikeable Liverpool squads (and managers) of the past, and this bunch have been excellent all season.

There is a delicious irony that Suarez' deliberate kick on Robertson resulted in Wijnaldum being subbed on at half-time. That coupled with Suarez' tame shot when through on goal means that however bad any of you feel, Luis Suarez must be feeling worse. Terrific. And being an Everton fan right now might be a slight struggle, but those Barcelona fans must be all over the place.

Michael Lynch
176 Posted 07/05/2019 at 00:03:51
I thought I'd least be safe on here, but there are too many Evertonians praising the RS for my liking!

Anyway, I just hope Spurs get to the final so the media have to at least pretend to be even-handed. If it's Ajax v RS, we're going to have to put up with weeks of hysteria from all the RS Sky wankers. So, come on Spurs, make it an all-English final and we won't have every pundit telling us we need to get behind the shite.

Tom Dodds
177 Posted 07/05/2019 at 00:06:35
The subliminal answer to all those above posts, wondering, just,why 'them' lord,(so to speak).
...I believe it stems from them taking the name of our city...and us the name of a hectare of a district block with some flats in it.
Just er sayin like.
Kenwright out still eh ??

Tony Hill
178 Posted 07/05/2019 at 00:06:42
Tony @157, one of the things I'm most encouraged by is our obviously improved fitness. I think Silva and Brands are hard bastards actually, and that is what we have lacked so much. Moyes was a hard type but he had a fatal defeatist streak.

I watched Silva going round the crowd on Friday, and he wasn't at all carried away, there was no nonsense, no daft celebration of what I think he knows was a bit of a non-event of a season.

Amid the Reds carnival, let's keep in mind that we are showing signs of rediscovering our founding spirit, one that has been dormant in my opinion for about 50- 60 years. We should remember, above all, the Anfield derby. Disastrous at the end, but the true rebirth of Everton I believe. For the first time since the early/mid 60s we fronted up and were more attractive than them and for parts of it we took the piss.

For those of a certain age, the shite have never been better than us, they know nothing of grace and elegance, nothing of the deeper magic. They were fine tonight, but they are still new money.

Brent Stephens
179 Posted 07/05/2019 at 00:07:29
3-0 down and coming back against Barca and we'd be crowing if we did that. Hurts to say it. I'm not interested in people denying that.
Darren Hind
180 Posted 08/05/2019 at 00:13:18
Barca were shite. thats a fact. People coming on here to ignore it in order to fawn all over the shite need to get a grip.

Despite the fact some want bring forward the coronation/s. I'm holding on to the fact that they have won nothing yet.

"3-0 down and coming back against Barca and we`d be crowing if we did that"

Fucking right we would, but you can bet your life THEY wouldnt be doing it for us

Lee Paige
181 Posted 08/05/2019 at 00:27:16
Maybe them winning will wake up the docile fans of this club who are happy to live in mediocrity. Nah doubt it
Brent Stephens
182 Posted 08/05/2019 at 00:29:11
No they wouldn’t be doing it for us because they lack honesty and grace.
Brent Stephens
183 Posted 08/05/2019 at 00:30:51
Get a grip.
Lee Paige
184 Posted 08/05/2019 at 00:31:48
Why the bloody hell do we have a thread devoted to their game? Do they do the same for us?
Brent Stephens
185 Posted 08/05/2019 at 00:32:26
And so to bed, to resume the discussion in the morning.
Darren Hind
186 Posted 08/05/2019 at 00:40:13
I think anybody trying to deny the Barca defence was shite lacks honesty.. .

Na lets be the "nice" Evertonians they've been taking the piss out of for years and pat them on the back

Don Alexander
187 Posted 08/05/2019 at 01:00:16
I haven't read anything of this thread but why the hell ToffeeWeb are running it astounds me. Champions League semi-finals are as relevant to us as the semi-finals of the Great British Bake Off, sadly.

That said, "they" have again boosted themselves into internationally reported glories wholly unknown to us since Heysel whilst we, on this site, continue to adore Unsy, Big Dunc and, by direct association, their backer Kenwright as we churn out Premier League mediocrity year after year after decade even though they all allegedly "get" Everton.

By way of stark contrast Liverpool have no former players or "boy" supporters anywhere near their back-room staff but while they have to endure the reality of playing for the top trophy in European football and maybe winning the league we're supposed to content ourselves with a double in the reserves' competitions and a patronising pat on the back for a bit of an effort to look after a few (and it's sad that it's only a few among the many) really needy Liverpool residents dependent on our charity.

Oh well, maybe we'll all go to a blue Heaven after enduring an Earth-bound red Hell for all these decades.

Cheers Bill!

Derek Thomas
188 Posted 08/05/2019 at 01:49:45
None of the rs press/media will be sayinghow bad Barca were.
But the fact remains, nobody, not even them, gave them a chance at 3 clear goals. You have to though, however gudgingly (and it is) give them credit for beating what was put in front of them. Which when alls said and done is all you can do.

The psychological ball is now out of citys court and in theirs. Klopps team talk writes its self...a GD of 4?? A piece of piss Vs Wolves lads out you go.

The perfect nightmare is a step closer.

Steve Brown
189 Posted 08/05/2019 at 02:18:24
Don’t worry lads, they’ll fuck it up in the final whoever they play.
Gerry Morrison
190 Posted 08/05/2019 at 02:29:47
Hey Don, (187) would you rather be one of us, or one of them?
Peter Barry
191 Posted 08/05/2019 at 02:31:19
OMG, the RS were already insufferable just what will they be like now. It's times like this that I thank my lucky stars that I no longer live in Liverpool and have to see them smarming all over the place.
Kieran Kinsella
192 Posted 08/05/2019 at 02:44:25
My final thoughts. Don Alexander, I also wonder why we have this thread but I guess the 200 comments explains the need for it.
As for “them” we can’t have it both ways. We slag them off as bitter and obsessed with ridiculing us, but then slag each other of for now being bitter. I don’t think anyone on here is remotely happy the RS won but you can and should have respect for your opponents. If we take the contrary view that they are cheating, murdereous, shit bags as opposed to a good team, then where is the joy in beating them at football as opposed to beating them into a pulp? And we can’t beat them into a pulp cause then we will be murderous scum bags. So if we keep to football, yeah they’re good so I will be especially pleased when we beat them
Dick Fearon
193 Posted 08/05/2019 at 02:52:00
Not so long ago when owned by Gillet and Hicks the RS were the pits. Credit to the Kopites they did not accept the situation.
By the thousand with all kinds of protest demonstrations they moved heaven and earth to run those cancers out of the city. What we saw last night was the result of those efforts.
We were under the yoke of bullshit Bill and his tax dodging mates and supinely accepted his crap and self serving lies.
Had we a fraction of the gobshites pride and fighting spirit we could have, er, eff! it I am wasting my time!

Terry White
194 Posted 08/05/2019 at 04:25:35
Only took the best part of 200 posts to blame Mr. Kenwright for Liverpool's success.
Alan J Thompson
195 Posted 08/05/2019 at 05:04:37
I hadn't ruled out that this might happen especially against teams where their home competition is not much more than the same two horse race year in, year out. Something similar happened to United against Bayern, they are not used to it being taken to the wire by teams that won't lie down. Whereas, a lot at Everton near wet themselves after a run of results has us vying for 7th. Still, if we ever reach these heights 52,000 will be able pack in to watch it.
Tony Abrahams
196 Posted 08/05/2019 at 06:46:43
I have got no time for Kenwright, Terry, I think you already know that mate, but I read Dick’s post@193, as being more critical of Everton’s support, than the great man himself.

Beggars can’t be choosers Rob, I totally understand were you are coming from with that one mate, and now we haven’t got an owner who had to beg, steal and borrow, then hopefully the mindset of the fans is about to change?

Anyone see the yacht in the River Mersey yesterday? Come on Farhad, introduce us to your very rich partner!

Brent Stephens
197 Posted 08/05/2019 at 07:06:40
Kieran #192 - good, honest post.
Eddie Dunn
199 Posted 08/05/2019 at 07:14:46
Watched the 2nd half (been out playing 5-a-side) in my local rugby club. Here in darkest west Wales the allegiances vary, most Swansea plus one PL team Only a couple of obvious RS fans expressed their pleasure (neither had ever been to Anfield).

Most watched, like myself, wondering how Barca could show so little fight in such a game.
I won't go into the qualities of the red side and their horrendous freak of a coach, but the unthinkable is possible. City are dragging themselves through games, and I hope they have enough left to beat Brighton. At least the Seagulls are safe and don't need the win to stay up.

How Liverpool are still so fresh and energetic is beyond me.
Spurs squeezed past City the other week despite not being the better team. Ajax seem fearless and could be the side to upset Liverpool in a final.
However, Spurs could still go through and could still edge out the Kopites in a one-off game.

Of course social media and the radio is now awash with the grating romantics self-obsessing about their wonderous achievement.

I have cousins in Australia celebrating, sister-in-law posting minute-by-minute updates on how she had to get up early and watch it again. (hasn't been to Anfield for 20 years (apart from the tour!)
She works in (Liverpool) council office and told me she could get EFC tickets if I ever wanted any! I'd rather stick pins in my eyes than get one through her, ever though I love her to bits.

They just don't see the smugness, the righteousness and the entitlement that they spurt out in buckets.
I just thank my lucky stars that round here, it's life as normal...until I put the radio on.

Dale Rose
200 Posted 08/05/2019 at 07:51:59
Infamy infamy they've all got it in for me. Or they would have if I hadn't retired last week. At least I won't have to listen to all the red shite in the office. Let's hope they get fucked in the final.
Thomas Lennon
201 Posted 08/05/2019 at 08:18:18
Omar Jalili has just been calling Liverpool's performance as inspirational and I agree.

A few years back Liverpool were celebrating a home draw against West Brom and the man that led them then is now leading them to these heights. An awful lot of respect combined with a large dollop of jealousy is called for.

However, the reason that this is inspirational is manifold for us. I grew up on the outskirts of Liverpool in the '60s & '70s. At that time the city was almost literally melting in front of our eyes. A redundant massive port, lost grandeur, lost importance with maybe two internationally recognised big businesses left, Fords and Vauxhalls. 30% unemployment. 30%!! The only thing that seemed to represent us with pride were our football teams, first Everton and then that lot, then us again. Sustained by sheer fanaticism we still dined at the top tables of world footy.

Then came the Premier League and money. Clubs owned by people with unlimited money. I clearly remember the speculation that Man U, then Chelsea and now ManC would rule forever. All come from places were there is a least twice as much spending money as there is on Merseyside - many times more in London. Our clubs subsided, unable to keep up apart from the occasional cup. Liverpool can no more charge its local population £750 for a season ticket than we can - they go to rich outsiders.

Last night proves that it can be done, even against the richest. The fact that Liverpool can do it means that we can do it, and we now have the investment to give us a chance. Not many believe it can be done - perhaps giving us as much chance as pretty much anyone gave that lot last night, but it was done and history was made.

Like I said - let this be an inspiration for us and Everton FC.

Matt Woods
202 Posted 08/05/2019 at 08:19:01
Everton have performed brilliantly twice against this so called superhuman team.
At Anfield we gave them a fucking real scare and did it playing some beautiful controlled football. Lets ditch the inferiority complex and let's become their bogey team. We are heading in the right direction and with further team building in the summer we can ambush them next season.
Michael Lynch
203 Posted 08/05/2019 at 08:51:35
Matt @202 - it does astound me how people are forgetting that the Shite were possibly the least impressive of the Sky Clubs at Goodison during our recent run of big games. Whatever they win this season, City have been miles better in the league, and Spurs shouldn't fear them after their performance at Analfield this season. I've got my fingers crossed for a Spurs v RS final, firstly so we aren't all expected to "get behind" those loveable twats, and secondly because I really think Spurs can do them. Don't forget, Klopp doesn't win finals.
Dave Abrahams
204 Posted 08/05/2019 at 09:14:51
Let’s be honest about this Barcelona team,I never saw either game v Liverpool, except for two minutes on ITV after last weeks game, but reading about the game and listening to Evertonians I trust, it was obvious Liverpool were the better team for big parts of last weeks game.

Added to the fact that Barcelona are far from the team they once were, with aging players, a so so manager and the fact they had to come to Anfield where much greater teams than them have crumbled, I thought they had a decent chance of losing this game and the tie, told my Liverpool mates on Monday night I was having a dabble on them, so it was not a great surprise that they went through, hopefully Spurs will win tonight, I think they will give Liverpool a harder game than Ajax, and even win the cup. So I won a few pound that I honestly would have preferred to lose but will have another bet on the final but it definitely won’t be on Liverpool.

Jim Bennings
205 Posted 08/05/2019 at 09:58:59
It probably will be better if tottenham do reach the Final because you feel they will be more accustomed to the pace of the English game.

As great as Ajax have been I don’t think they’ll be able to handle the speed and velocity which Liverpool will hit them.

Spurs should have got a result at Anfield, perhaps even won the game so they know how to handle them more and would be out for revenge.

Stan Schofield
206 Posted 08/05/2019 at 10:39:48
I've never really been 'too' fussed about Liverpool winning or losing, except against us, but obviously like it when they do lose. The issue I have with them is the behaviour of some of their supporters, their manager, and the media. It's simply over the top, unpalatable, biased, and lacking in sportsmanship. Liverpool are a very good team, but a lot of people need to grow up and get a grip. It's the over reactions which would make it nice if they win nothing.
Phil Sammon
207 Posted 08/05/2019 at 10:48:53
Just got home from work and seen the score. It was reported on the AFL show here in Australia. That’s how insidious that vile club is. I can’t even get away from them on the other side of the world watching a show about another sport.

Every sodding Aussie I meet is a Liverpool fan. It makes me sick. I cannot overstate just how much I loathe that club and every last one of their fans.

Graeme Beresford
208 Posted 08/05/2019 at 11:09:34
Let’s be honest over the two legs Liverpool deserved the win. The only let down is they had none of the Liverpool luck in Barcelona but then had it in abundance at Anfield. I remember saying to my Dad at the end of the game at the Camp Nou, that was the chance they needed to go in to really cement the game, when Dembele has fluffed his lines.

3 of Liverpool’s goals last night came from a bad Barcelona pass, I personally think they set up wrong from the off. It was obvious Liverpool had to go for it and would pressure every fancy Barca pass, and they did, they caused mistakes. Barca should of played 5 at the back, 2 holding and just had messi and Suarez up front. Two quality players but they are never going to track back and help defend. Simple fact is, Barca got it wrong. Also trying to play close passing football on the edge of their own box, not for me. But Liverpool got that luck they needed. A tap on from Origi, a deflected cross and keeper error, and an unmarked header. The corner goal is still a confusing one to me because I think in the interests of sportmanship surly you can’t walk away from a corner and the run back and take it, I wonder what would happen if a player did that on the run up to a penalty. I get it’s very clever and all but to me it’s a bit deceitful and disrespectful to an opponent.

But they rode their luck and got the job done. You can’t fault Liverpool for that. Milan, Dortmund, Olympiakos, West Ham cup final, now Barca. They always find a way to get the job done when needed. Fair play to them but their fans are something else. Setting fireworks off outside hotels, smashing buses up in the way to games, when will someone take retrospective action against them. Let’s just hope they have ran themselves into the ground tonight and mess up against Wolves on Sunday and City win the league and then whoever meets them in the final beats them. Then we can all wave bottles at them next season at Goodison. Be great wouldn’t it.

Brian Harrison
209 Posted 08/05/2019 at 11:14:15
I watched it from the 36th minute of the first half. At half time I thought Barca might hold out. But They scored twice soon after the restart you could see by the faces of the Barca players they were stunned. They rely so heavily on Messi its unbelievable, there back 4 was slow and hesitant and Liverpool fed off that. When you add that 2 of Liverpools most important attackers didnt play, plus they had to substitute Robertson at half time and play Milner at full back, makes their victory even more impressive.

So it could well be 2 English teams competing in the final of both the Champions league and the Europa league, just to underline how strong the Premier league is. I just hope that Spurs get through to the final as I fear Liverpool will blow Ajax away. Also please please City no slip ups on Sunday 3-0 at halftime will calm my nerves considerably.

Michael Lynch
210 Posted 08/05/2019 at 11:36:38
Brian, it would be remarkable if both finals are all-English affairs as you say - particularly as the best English team won't be in either of them! I wonder if this, and the demise of Barca and Real as genuine forces, is the beginning of an era in which the PL totally dominates the European competitions. Wouldn't be a surprise, considering how much money there is in the PL now.
Steve Brown
211 Posted 08/05/2019 at 11:49:55
Reflecting on the game today, Liverpool were good but I wouldn't say it was their best performance this season. Barcelona on the other hand were appalling.

Liverpool have not been in top form lately but have good results through sheer commitment and perseverance. Ajax are on top form and very confident, while Spurs are used to their style of play. So, I am confident that they can both handle the shite in the final.

Rob Halligan
212 Posted 08/05/2019 at 12:14:18
I think we are starting to clutch at straws here. We all thought Bayern Munich would knock them out, particularly after they drew at Analfield. For all of us Barcelona was a given to qualify. The only saving grace is I'll be away for the final and hopefully will have no access to a telly.
Craig Walker
213 Posted 08/05/2019 at 12:17:19
Spurs are like us when it comes to snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. I would never rely on them beating the RS. They'll hammer us most times but the RS nearly always turn Spurs over, especially at Anfield.That Vertonghen own goal was as bad as the Pickford fuck up.

It's taken years but at least the vast majority of RS fans finally agree with what we were saying years ago that Suarez is a nasty, vicious cheat who has no class.

What annoys me about the RS fans is that a few weeks ago it was the league that mattered. Now that they have just climbed a, err fountain, this is the one to have.

Still, we've got the enjoyment of a shiny new statue of three of our greatest players from nearly 50 years ago to keep us going and a possible double for the U23s. What I want, is a statue being unveiled of a player or manager from modern times who has helped get our club back to the summit of English football. I love our history but we need a future. I don't want a DVD celebrating 13 years of mediocrity. Can we not even get some designs of BMD out there yet? Give us something FFS!

John Hughes
214 Posted 08/05/2019 at 12:39:19
Craig. If all comes good on Sunday how about statues of Vincent Kompany and Michael Thomas on the new concourse?
Jack Convery
215 Posted 08/05/2019 at 15:56:46
What they did last night is not unique its not the greatest come back in European football. Barca have form for this the 'legendary' 2018 team of Roma who went on to win f all, did it to them or are the RS re-writing history already. Yes the RS have it in their DNA to do it but so have other teams throughout football history. Their performance was wonderful no doubt and BArca were truly awful and looked from the 1st whistle like they hadn't got a clue tactically. LFc are not supermen, though they do produce super results as we all bloody know. However ask yourself one question how many of that team would Europes elite want to buy - Mane, Salah, Van Dijk and imo the best of the lot TA Arnold. Not Milner, Shaquiri, Oricki, Lovrens, Robertson, Henderson, Matip etc all good players but not world class, though they will run through a brick wall for Klopp.

EFC should have had 2 draws without a goal conceded against them this season and until recently our defence had been crap - Millwall anybody.

So lets get things into proportion - they have not dominated in Europe this season - witness their efforts in the group stage. A one off final abroad, not at Anfield is another thing entirely. My gut tells me they will win but my gut's not always right. Klopps record in finals is awful. So please don't crown them yet and wait and see.

You can all get on the IOM ferry with me after the final if they do win it - though it might be very full as will JL Airport with BNs heading North for the summer.

Before I go a quick message to Seamus Duffy - u know what to do son don't you !

Rob Halligan
216 Posted 08/05/2019 at 16:31:51
Jack, you may have a point. Out of the six away games they've played, if memory serves me correctly, they lost four and won two. Hardly prolific form on the road. That's why, for me, the champions league is a bit of a farce. How can a team that's lost a third of its games so far, and won just over half, be classed as potential European champions? If UEFA want to call it a champions league, then make it a proper league, without a knockout stage. No way then would the RS be anywhere near the top.
Tom Bowers
217 Posted 08/05/2019 at 16:48:42
Cup football is always a lottery even over two legs.
The away goal rule is crucial and neither team needed it last night but both teams could easily have gotten it.

Right at the death in the Noucamp, Dembele missed an easy chance to have made it four and I thought then it could be costly knowing RS's scoring prowess this season.

Funnily enough RS only scraped through the group stage thanks to Napoli not converting a very late chance in the final game.

Yes, I know we are being cynical but truth be known you ride your luck and RS do it better than any other club. One only has to remember Origi's 96th minute heartbreaker at Analfield.

They shouldn't now have any trouble with Spurs or Ajax in the final especially if it's Spurs with their missing stars.

If it's Ajax then let's not forget the teams they beat this season when they were underdogs then but realistically RS have the most to lose given the investment in players their owners have made.

Anyway the Prem. is the big thing so let's not see anything crazy happening on Sunday.

Wolves have beaten RS once this season in a Mickey Mouse competition but have absolutely no incentive against RS so it just comes down to City showing who is the better team.

Terry McLavey
218 Posted 08/05/2019 at 17:06:22
After coming back from 3 0 down, scoring against us in the 96th minute of 94 minutes injury time, beating the barcodes with a free kick given for blatant diving to keep them in touch with the Premier title, I am now firmly convinced that lot are in league with the devil !
Pat Kennedy
219 Posted 08/05/2019 at 17:21:20
Just noticed that once again we see a thread with 217 and counting posts about Liverpool FC.

It never ceases to amaze me how fellow blues get so bent out of shape by another team. I come from a mixed family of reds & blues. I have to listen to them all the time, but I don't resent their joy, I just wish I could I have some of it too for my team.

My grandson asked me on Friday night why some people at Goodison were wearing Barcelona scarves with Messi's name on when we were playing Burnley. I tried not to answer because quite frankly it makes me feel embarrassed. Such gloating has. Come back to haunt us.

I want Everton to do well and whilst I would prefer our neighbours not to succeed, I try not to let it make me and mine be miserable if they do win a trophy.

For those of us who lived through the 70's and 80's when they really were the powerhouse, their current 'success' is somewhat overstated.

If only I could see Goodison dressed in champions league livery and hear that soaring anthem. I might then believe we were back in the big time.

Just think how many people worldwide watched that match last night. Wouldn't it be great to see our own blue boys given such prominence one in a while?

Maybe we should stop trying to belittle them and accept that they are ahead of us right now. Sadly they have a top manager and a plan we can only dream of.

I just want to beat them once in a while, I love my brother but I would like to buy him a pint after a derby match and say - never mind eh?

Simon Dalzell
220 Posted 08/05/2019 at 17:24:55
Andy #83 Agreed. Not snide. Just the painful truth. DCL level players will never get us among the big boys.
Dermot Byrne
221 Posted 08/05/2019 at 17:33:07
Pat #219: great post. I sit with my red better half through every season. I suppose I could rant about her team, tell her her team are this, that or whatever and take a long long trip down a blue memory lane.

But in the end the prospect of being a saddo alone in pub mumbling about "them" would do sod all to make us better.

I just say well done in Norwegian! For me, retaining a bit of perspective is important and most of all, humour is the best defence until we overtake them.

Then I will sing on my celestial cloud!

Paul Hewitt
222 Posted 08/05/2019 at 17:57:14
The rs never beat Barcelona, Barcelona beat themselves. They thought all they needed to do was turn up, and they would see the tie out. They already had the final in there heads. Probably the worse performance I've seen in all my years watching football. They didn't want to get injured, or get sent off. So no I won't give praise the the rs.
David Pearl
223 Posted 08/05/2019 at 18:08:16
Terry, I realised that 35 years ago!
Dave Williams
224 Posted 08/05/2019 at 18:22:44
They did remarkably well with what looked to me a very ordinary team. Barca looked scared stiff and were really poor and nothing like the team of a few years ago with Xavi and Iniesta.
They have got to where we want to be and have done so by scouting well, spending wisely and getting a strong team ethic throughout the club. Klopp, for all his histrionics is inspirational.
More than anything though ( and I am not biased when I say this!!!) they get every scrap of good fortune going- how did Barca miss that chance in the last minute in Spain, how did their defence switch off for the fourth goal, how did Barca fall to pieces from the start last night, how does Wiljnaldum climb high to score a header- mind boggling!!
That team last night was ordinary and I would fancy us to beat them if faced with the same eleven players. We should try not to get too hacked off (I nearly threw up at the final whistle) and take heart that one day we can do the same.
Raymond Fox
225 Posted 08/05/2019 at 18:23:37
Pat 219 I also agree with your sentiments, the thread makes for embarrassing reading I'm afraid.
Mike Gaynes
226 Posted 08/05/2019 at 18:27:45
I think it's inherent, Pat #219.

Grand Old Team is the only club song I've ever heard, for any team in any sport, that mentions another team.

Stephen Davies
227 Posted 08/05/2019 at 18:29:07
Simon # 220
Hmmm What about Origi Henderson & Shaquiri level players?
You see a good percentage of that truth involves self belief and a mental attitude m involving not giving in and believing you can win whatever the odds.
Ste Traverse
228 Posted 08/05/2019 at 18:32:44
I wish some would stop making rash predictions as to which sides are going to beat the RS. Keep your gobs firmly shut until they've lost.

That complete dickhead 'DaveK' which I'm sure many of you are aware of over on Grand Old Team is always making that mistake by giving us chapter and verse as how they are going to lose every round and that beaut is always fucking wrong. Other blues make the same mistake.

Last night proved once again why you shouldn't ever give it the big 'un were they are concerned until they're actually out.

Joe McMahon
229 Posted 08/05/2019 at 18:55:13
Ste @228 I couldn't agree more. Its the same when many start talking about the next Everton game predicting as easy 3 points (Fulham for example). Don't assume anything. If you know history over the past 3 decades, Liverpool win things and Everton don't.
Chris Leyland
230 Posted 08/05/2019 at 18:55:29
Mike G - there are plenty of songs that mention other teams - the shite have one that starts with ‘tell you the story of a young boy...’ and we get a mention in it.

‘Stuck with Moyes, stuck with Moyes Man United’ was another of our songs.

Or how about: ‘we all hate mancs’

Or ‘we hate Nottingham Forest we hate...’

Chris Leyland
231 Posted 08/05/2019 at 19:01:25
Ste and Joe are correct. The last time I ever texted any red about a match before it was finished was in 2005 at half time when they were 3-0 down. Since that point, I say nothing until they are out of it. Say what you like about them, but their will to win and their refusal to give up is one of the reasons they get these sort of results. Whereas we just accept the inevitable. Look at us v Fiorentina in the Europa on a night when we came from 2-0 down in the first leg. What then happened? We lost on pens. Until the attitude and belief of our club and supporters changes and we adopt an arrogance that refuses to accept defeat, we will carry on as the mid-table also-rand we have become.
Mike Gaynes
232 Posted 08/05/2019 at 19:04:21
Chris #230, yes but not in their primary song.
Chris Leyland
233 Posted 08/05/2019 at 19:06:33
Mike G:

Or how about ‘who the fuck are Man United’

Or ‘Tottenham’s always running. Chelsea’s running too but when you come to xxx we’ll be running after you”

Or ‘blue and white shite blue and and white shite’

Chris Leyland
234 Posted 08/05/2019 at 19:08:51
True Mike but plenty of tunes out there mentioning other teams. I agree, we need to stop obsessing about what they do and concentrate on getting our own house in order.
Don Alexander
235 Posted 08/05/2019 at 19:30:27
Chris (#231), I've previously mentioned an episode when a good friend of mine was one of the lino's in an Everton game v Sunderland at Goodison in the League Cup in November 1998. It went to pens and he was responsible for staying with all the other players in the centre-circle whilst the contest went on. He told me at the time he'd been staggered to clearly hear two of Everton's Scottish players, one of them our centre-forward, refuse to take a penalty and then one of them said, "I hope Bakayoko misses and we can forget about it and go home." Bakayoko duly missed and we were out. It registered with my mate because he wondered whether any dodgy bets had been made.

I was (and remain) disgusted.

You don't need to be Sherlock to work out who they were, and in one case remain, inputting the benefit of his, erm, "experience" into our squad's mindset.

Michael Lynch
236 Posted 08/05/2019 at 19:40:13
Mike @226, Chris is right, there are dozens of football songs that reference rival teams, it's been part of football since I started watching in the late 60s.

Best wishes to everyone who can handle the Shite winning and think it's embarrassing to dwell on it. I'm hoping that one day I can be that mature. As it is, in my 50s, I still get as wound up by the other lot as I did when I was 8. Thankfully, I've stopped crying after the match, but I haven't stopped hurting. It seems to come with the territory - a football fan has to hate as much as they love.

Andy Crooks
237 Posted 08/05/2019 at 19:51:49
Don, I think this is a fair enough thread if we are going to discuss Niasse and his punishment compared to the cheats, disgusting shameless cheats, of Liverpool.
What I do not think, though, is that it is a thread or site to say, fair play, well done, fine performance. If you admire what they have done, go on to one of their odious websites, introduce your self as a blue, and wallow in their condescension..
Anthony A Hughes
238 Posted 08/05/2019 at 20:04:51
Another amazing staduim at Ajax, come on blues lets get moving with ours.
Mike Gaynes
239 Posted 08/05/2019 at 20:07:13
What a brilliant young side this Ajax is. 1-0.
Mike Jones
240 Posted 08/05/2019 at 20:14:40
Ziyech is no Davy Klaassen
Anthony A Hughes
241 Posted 08/05/2019 at 20:37:31
Goodnight Tottenham
Michael Lynch
242 Posted 08/05/2019 at 20:39:33
Spurs are worse than Barca. This is a great young Ajax team.
Liam Reilly
243 Posted 08/05/2019 at 20:42:06
Cracking side, Ajax.

They've taken care of Madrid, Juve and now Tottenham. There may be happy ending yet, if they can hold their nerve in the final.

I'm sure the press will already have LPLs name on the cup, but these will be no pushovers.

David Pearl
244 Posted 08/05/2019 at 21:03:00
Well it goes to show that balance talent and confidence mean everything. Look at Tadic and Blind. They slotted into this young Ajax side. Now we could do with a handful of our youngster to come through. What an achievement.
Tony Hill
245 Posted 08/05/2019 at 21:03:17
I think they're a good attacking side but they look worryingly weak defensively and a bit underpowered physically. That showed in the second half last week.They also have a dodgy keeper.

We must hope the shite and their cheerleaders get overconfident.

John Hughes
246 Posted 08/05/2019 at 21:05:19
Mike (232). How about West Ham’s “ I’m forever blowing bubbles ” ?
Michael Lynch
247 Posted 08/05/2019 at 21:22:45
Can Spurs do this? Remarkable game now.
Rob Halligan
248 Posted 08/05/2019 at 21:22:53
Spurs 2-2. One more and they are ahead on away goals
Alan McGuffog
249 Posted 08/05/2019 at 21:41:19
Ay ay ay ay. Reeves is better than Yashin
Redrobe is better than Eusebio
And Tranmere are in for a thrashing
Rob Halligan
250 Posted 08/05/2019 at 21:57:53
Well would you believe it. Spurs have done it.
Chris Leyland
251 Posted 08/05/2019 at 21:59:37
I was torn before as to who Ineanted to win bit Sours come back was equally as unlikely as the shite’s when it was 3-0 but they’ve done it and fair play to them.
Robert Williams
252 Posted 08/05/2019 at 22:00:59
So we'll be playing Spurs 2nds on Sunday. COYBs
Tom Bowers
253 Posted 08/05/2019 at 22:01:52
What a fantastic comeback by Spurs ! Poch weaved some kinda magic at halftime didn't he ?
Rob Halligan
254 Posted 08/05/2019 at 22:01:57
Never seen Harry Kane run so quick at the end there.
Jamie Crowley
255 Posted 08/05/2019 at 22:04:29
Unreal! You have to be kidding me!

Serious question posed by the American:

Surely this is the greatest set of semi-finals in any Champions League, or competition ever? Literally in all of recorded history.

Has to be!

How did this happen again?!

Michael Lynch
256 Posted 08/05/2019 at 22:04:31
Absolutely incredible. One of the most incredible finishes I've seen in 50 years of watching football. Gutted for the Ajax lads, but absolutely made up for all my Spurs mates. What a comeback!
Joe McMahon
257 Posted 08/05/2019 at 22:04:46
Well done Spurs. I really hope these kind of performances gives us something to chase after aswell. Everton fans need nights like this.
Michael Lynch
258 Posted 08/05/2019 at 22:05:27
The only comparison I can think of is Michael Thomas to win the league for the Arse at Analfield. Infuckingcredible stuff.
John Pierce
259 Posted 08/05/2019 at 22:08:56
If we don’t win at Spurs on Sunday. 😡😡😡
Dave Abrahams
260 Posted 08/05/2019 at 22:09:45
Three down with thirty five minutes to go in a semi final of the European cup and Spurs do it, brilliant, glad as well, nothing against Ajax but Spurs are more physical and will give Liverpool a harder game.
Andy Crooks
261 Posted 08/05/2019 at 22:10:29
What can you say. Fuck me, what can you say. Is this good?
John Pierce
262 Posted 08/05/2019 at 22:11:38
Dave, my thoughts exactly. My Chelsea supporting wife turned to me, as Spurs scored their third, WHY?!

Much much harder game for them.

Jamie Crowley
263 Posted 08/05/2019 at 22:12:17
How in the world did this occur in BOTH games in the span of 24 hours?

Seriously what are the odds?

And two English teams in the final now.

This is just surreal. Unworldly. This just doesn't happen.

This is where I tell you fine, fine people that you have the greatest sport in the world. It is. I love my NFL, my hockey, my college football, all of it. But there's nothing like soccer when you get games like this. Nothing.

Mike Jones
264 Posted 08/05/2019 at 22:13:22

I commended the shite last night. So hats off to Spurs tonight especially as they looked the worst team for 3 of the 4 halves over the tie.

Denis Richardson
265 Posted 08/05/2019 at 22:14:33
Unbelievable, two nights in a row. What are the odds on that.

Perfectly scripted like WWF!

Andy Meighan
266 Posted 08/05/2019 at 22:14:59
Got to agree with Dave there. Ajax would have run out of steam in the final and THEY would have picked them off. As it is I think THEY might have got a bit of a shock seeing the way Spurs performed in that 2nd half.

I'll say this though, I bet Spurs don't get the coverage them bastards got today. It was fucking nauseating... cameras in the dressing room, etc Come on, Spurs.
Lee Paige
267 Posted 08/05/2019 at 22:16:14
We can only dream that this might be us in a few years?
David Pearl
268 Posted 08/05/2019 at 22:17:46
It’s Football Jamie...
what hockey team do you follow?
Alan McGuffog
269 Posted 08/05/2019 at 22:17:56
In a word..Yes
Anthony Murphy
270 Posted 08/05/2019 at 22:18:06
If Spurs can get to this point then so can we. Hope Moshiri, Brands and Silva feel the same.
Gary Mortimer
271 Posted 08/05/2019 at 22:19:12
Wow - what another comeback! Talk about refusing to give up! I think the Ajax lads didn't have that "shut it down" mentality. I also think Spurs have more of a chance against Liverpool as they know more about how to play them.

I wonder if the press will bang on about this like they did last night. Ok it's not Barcalona, but they were away and only had 45 minutes to turn it round. . .

On the Guardian sports webpage, there are 17 different stories about last night's match - 17!

There are quite a lot of posters saying we shouldn't be bothered by what that lot are doing. . . that's their opinion, they don't have to come onto this thread. For me, I had a rednose work colleague at my desk first thing this morning, enquiring as to whether I enjoyed the match. I work in Telford and there's no bloody escape from them!

Brian Williams
272 Posted 08/05/2019 at 22:19:21
And Kane will be fit for the final!
Jamie Crowley
273 Posted 08/05/2019 at 22:19:31
David -

Soccer, football, tomAto, toMAHto.

Boston Bruins. Born in Boston. Hoping this is our year by the way.. .

Trevor Peers
274 Posted 08/05/2019 at 22:19:44
Glad it's Spurs, Ajax are the future, but looked so terribly fragile at the back.
The RS would have been licking thier lips at the prospect of tearing into thier defence. At least Spurs are experienced enough to put up a good fight and have an excellent manager. Klopp won't be too pleased.
Brian Williams
275 Posted 08/05/2019 at 22:20:44
It's football mate, never soccer lol.
John Pierce
276 Posted 08/05/2019 at 22:22:00
Ajax felt a bit Martinezish, didn’t they?

All of Moura’s Goals though we superb, pace and his feet were beyond real.

Everton will paste them 6-0 Sunday, Arsenal will pip them to fourth on goal difference and they will need to win the final to stay in the CL.

Yes that’s how it will happen.

Jim Bennings
277 Posted 08/05/2019 at 22:26:28

What a Champions League campaign this has been for sheer drama!

Michael Lynch
278 Posted 08/05/2019 at 22:26:51
Gary @271 - the BBC can't seem to praise Spurs tonight without talking about the RS, so I doubt if the rest of the media will be any different. Still, I know what I watched tonight, and it was a stunning performance. Like others have said, we have to look at this as a club and think we can do it if Spurs can - first season in their new stadium, first CL final. That should be what we're aiming towards.
Jim Bennings
279 Posted 08/05/2019 at 22:30:49
I wouldn’t get too cocky and confident that we will roll Spurs over in Sunday.

I’ve seen it many a time before when Everton have gone away to these sides that look disinterested, I recall Highbury on the last day in 2002 when Arsenal had just won the league the week earlier, looked visibly pissed yet they beat us 4-3.

Sunday would be a great way to go out with a statement and a bang but this is Everton away to the top sides don’t forget?

David Pearl
280 Posted 08/05/2019 at 22:32:11
Yes one amazing semi final and one the worst there’s ever been!
Jamie, I lived in a Winnipeg 91-96 so caught a lot of jets games. Remember seeing Cam Neely and Ray Bourque play. That’s the good thing living in North America, you get to pick another 3 teams to follow, law of averages says at least one of them will go well. Not that keen on basketball but at the time l was over l did enjoy watching the Blue Jays at that time. Got into NFL a bit later but never settled on a favouri
David Pearl
281 Posted 08/05/2019 at 22:32:33
Gary Mortimer
282 Posted 08/05/2019 at 22:33:59
MIchael @278. Totally agree. That's the aim. . .
Anthony A Hughes
283 Posted 08/05/2019 at 22:35:33
This is what we need and where we need to be. With every essence of our blue being we must strife to achieve what we've seen again tonight. Ambition to the extreme.
Rob Halligan
284 Posted 08/05/2019 at 22:39:16
Jim, I don't think arsenal had a champions league final to think about three weeks after we played them that day. Spurs are 99.9% guaranteed CL football next season, so they won't want to risk any injuries this sunday.
Tony Abrahams
285 Posted 08/05/2019 at 22:47:07
All the posts saying that this has got to be Everton’s aim, are what we need, because belief is something that has been really lacking for way to long at our club.

I was on holiday the other week, totally outnumbered by Liverpudlians, but I wouldn’t give in to them. It was just before the champions leg game between spurs and City at the Etihad, and I was telling them that Spurs, were going to win the cup.

Getting loads I was, with your fuckin mad being the most common shout, but hopefully I’ll get to be right one time in my life, as long as Spurs haven’t used up all of their luck, haha!

Phil Bellis
286 Posted 08/05/2019 at 22:48:21
I think it'll be a high scoring final.. Lpool 5.0 or a close 4.3 I'll be back to apologise is its 1.0...but bet placed
Michael Lynch
287 Posted 08/05/2019 at 22:50:31
Interesting point someone just made online though - Spurs were last "champions" in 1961 and the RS in 1990, it must finally be time to rename the Champions League?
Anthony A Hughes
288 Posted 08/05/2019 at 22:50:56
New stadium, better players, over to you Mosh you know you want to.
Jamie Crowley
289 Posted 08/05/2019 at 22:53:56
David -

Winnipeg fans are absolutely fantastic. If you're gonna do the NHL, that's one hell of a city to do it in.

Cam Neely, Ray Bourque - Bruin legends. None hold a candle to the immortal Bobby Orr mate. My childhood hero, he redefined the defenseman. One moment he's all the way up the ice attacking, the next, after just blinking and you think he's out of position, he's skating backwards breaking up play in position. As they'd say in New England, "That fahkin' guy was wicked good!"

Regarding the use of "soccer", I often interchange the two words of "soccer" and "football". Whatever comes out first is fine by me.

Were I over there, I'd only say football. But living here, soccer just comes out. It's an entirely English word, so I find it amusing the English so often correct Americans when they use "soccer".

I totally get it, and I'm not being critical. But I do say both, and at 49 years old can't be arsed to try and change my ways.

Does anyone else actually feel fortunate to have seen these last three days of "football"? I do. Just amazing. Any fan of the game can't have any complaints. To be clear I'm still pissed the rs won, make no mistake about that. But what a three days!

Tony Hill
290 Posted 08/05/2019 at 22:55:25
i just have a problem imagining Spurs winning the Champions League, though they have a better chance than Ajax would have had.

Let’s trust to Jurgen’s talent as a losing finalist.

Tom Bowers
291 Posted 08/05/2019 at 23:00:22
Spurs may have their heads in the clouds come Sunday but will they be focused ?

They only need a point to claim fourth although they have a much better goal difference than the Gooners.

They haven't had a draw all season and Poch. may rest a few.

Everton may finish in style. Let's hope so.

Jamie Crowley
292 Posted 08/05/2019 at 23:09:24
A LOT of people saying Spurs wouldn't have as good of a chance to beat the rs as Ajax would.

I'm not sure I agree with that.

We are talking about the same Spurs team who knocked out Manchester City, aren't we?

I like Spurs' odds more than I would have Ajax's.

Rob Halligan
293 Posted 08/05/2019 at 23:12:10
Just hope that Gomes doesn't start getting ideas about joining spurs after tonight. It doesn't matter how much it will cost to get him (well I suppose it does) but just get him. If we want to be part of the action that's taken place the last couple of nights, then we really need to start thinking big.

The only problem, and let's be honest, its a massive problem, is convincing top players to join us knowing there's no European football next season. Hopefully Gomes will sign. We probably need to replace Zouma, sign a top quality striker and convince Gueye to stay. I don't think we need to sign as many players as we did last summer as, having watched the U23's earlier on, one or two of them could be promoted to the first team squad as back up.

Tony Hill
294 Posted 08/05/2019 at 23:12:55
I was wondering about Liverpool’s extraordinary levels of fitness. They all seem capable of running forever at high pace game after game. It must be all the greens they eat, or perhaps something they put in the water.
Stan Schofield
295 Posted 08/05/2019 at 23:31:26
Tony, Liverpool have pretty much always been like that since Shankley, but it's obviously got even more intense with this gegenpressing business. For example, in the 60s a big difference between them and us was their greater reliance on fitness and fighting, and a more direct and workmanlike style, in contrast with our greater focus on making the ball do more of the work like today's Man City.

Tony Hill
296 Posted 08/05/2019 at 23:34:25
Yes, Stan, I have just noticed it particularly in the latter part of the season as other teams - including Man City - are flagging. Remarkable.
Stan Schofield
297 Posted 08/05/2019 at 23:37:00
Tony, true, but I would say that it's taken Klopp several seasons to really get them to that point of staying power.
Terry White
298 Posted 08/05/2019 at 23:40:34
Anthony (241), Michael (242); Liam (243). Care to reconsider and maybe eat your hats? The game is not over until it is over.
Jon Bentley
299 Posted 08/05/2019 at 23:43:06
Come on City and Spurs.

Just 1 win each, just 1 win 🤞🤞

Tony Hill
300 Posted 08/05/2019 at 23:48:37
Yes it has Stan @ 297. I suppose given the huge rewards on offer now for success, it pays clubs to ensure that their players are as fit and strong as modern sports science, in all its forms, might be able to devise over time.
Gordon Crawford
301 Posted 09/05/2019 at 00:08:53
Well done Spurs, I now know who I'll be supporting in the final and they don't play in red.

On another note we need to sort Gomes out fast as every man and his dog are now reportedly after him. We can do a Spurs next season if we can sign and keep top players.

Don Alexander
302 Posted 09/05/2019 at 00:59:23
Andy (#237), I've posted twice on this thread, bloated as it is with "well done to Liverpool players" comments and in both of them I have only pointed out personnel still infesting our club, for decades now, whilst we bumble along achieving sod all whilst playing bog-standard football decade after decade.

If you or anyone else needs me to spell it out I'm scouse and have TOTAL support for the club I've been a fan of since being eight years old in 1963, but given the antics and personnel delivered under Kenwright I just can't see us ever getting close to CL success. and he and his acolytes are still there.

That seriously pisses me off because I put the success or failure of any club (or business) at the feet of those in charge, and for the past twenty years Kenwright's been our, erm, top man.

Liverpool decades ago binned their so-called legendary "boot-room" management model and are now reaping rewards beyond anything we realistically aspire to. We, courtesy of Kenwright, adopted the "boot-room" model when they's binned it but instead of Shankley and Paisley, who won serial European trophies, he employed the likes of Ferguson. Go figure!

Gary Russell
303 Posted 09/05/2019 at 06:51:15
Surely the Spurs comeback was much more remarkable, having to contend with the Ajax away goal from the first leg and 34 minutes to score two more goals. And yet, on the BBC World News yesterday morning (my go to, living 7 hours ahead in the Far East), Gurning Klopp's lot got the top line, 3rd story across on the main page and it stayed there most of the day. Spurs did make the main page this morning, but it was three columns down. I say 'was' because it isn't even 7 a.m GMT as I write, and it is no longer on the main page. I sincerely hope Wolves kick them off the park.
Alan J Thompson
304 Posted 09/05/2019 at 06:58:48
Jamie(#255)&Lee(#267); Been there and done that, 1966.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I believe that the word "soccer" is American in origin being a shortening of Association as in Association Football.

Paul Tran
305 Posted 09/05/2019 at 07:47:22
Spurs have a savvy, ruthlessly ambitious chairman and a savvy, ruthlessly committed & competent coach. They've done this while building a new stadium. On all those levels, they are our yardstick.
Tony Abrahams
306 Posted 09/05/2019 at 08:12:52
Come on Tony Hill, I thought you knew better than that mate. City are tired because they went for everything, whereas Liverpool have had two decent breaks during the second half of the season.

Klopp has been clever, especially by going out of the FA Cup early, because he knows that his teams main asset is intensity, and that’s why all’s he’s done since he got to England, is moan about the congested fixture list.

It’s worked for him though because whilst Everton played four games in ten days over Xmas, his own team played four in fifteen days.

Silva might have managed in England, but never over Xmas, and although he might say his squad wasn’t big or strong enough, he never rotated his squad well enough until it was too late, so hopefully our manager has learned?

Tony Hill
307 Posted 09/05/2019 at 08:26:58
Yes, Tony, as I said it could just be something they're putting in the water.
Brian Williams
308 Posted 09/05/2019 at 08:30:07
Soccer is actually an English term.
It came about as a shortened form of "association football" to differentiate it from "rugby football."
Initially "assoccer" and "rugby" they became "soccer" and "rugger," colloquially.
Michael Lynch
309 Posted 09/05/2019 at 08:36:30
Changing of the guard in Europe? If, as seems likely, we have four English clubs as the four finalists in Europe this season, and with Barca and Real both looking shadows of their former selves, does this herald a period of PL domination? The fact that, in Chelsea and Arsenal, you have two teams that have looked average at best this season - indeed, we beat both of them easily - and Spurs too have looked poor at times, and yet they are still dominating Europe, suggests that the Top 6 outside Citteh and the Shite perhaps isn't as weak as some of us thought?

So perhaps we're not as ill-suited to the Europa as I, amongst others, have said during the run-in for 7th?

Christopher Timmins
310 Posted 09/05/2019 at 08:48:47
Spurs are our yardstick as it was not so long ago that we were at their level. What they achieved while building a new stadium is quite remarkable. All things are possible with the right manager.

I attended the first leg of the Barca Liverpool semi final, I have an expensive annual membership and once in a blue moon I can shell out the money to purchase tickets for the Champions League games. Barca are a tired old team with too many players on the decline, they rode there luck on the night and were lucky to come out with a 3 - 0 victory. When leaving the stadium I could not help thinking that our proposed new stadium could be a game changer for our club.

If in a few years time Silva has proven himself and we are playing in front of 60.000 in our new stadium then all things are possible.

Stan Schofield
311 Posted 09/05/2019 at 09:28:56
We need to be very clear about Everton's aspirations. We want, indeed need, to win trophies, and to do so consistently. If we have any sources of inspiration at all in the Premier League era, those sources are surely the elite clubs of Utd., City and Chelsea who have won loads in the last two decades.

Clubs like Spurs and Liverpool are NOT the models to follow, because these clubs have won nothing for some time, and their only consistency is one of being 'nearly men'. One of them will of course win a trophy this season, the mis-named 'Champions League' in which the two finalists have not been domestic champions for donkey's years.

Care needs to be taken not to absorb the media hype about these clubs. We're aiming for genuine consistent achievement at the top level, not media hype.

Dave Abrahams
312 Posted 09/05/2019 at 09:32:19
Liverpool have beat Spurs twice already this season, it’s not very often a premier league club beats another premier league club three times in the same season, if at all.
Thomas Lennon
313 Posted 09/05/2019 at 09:32:27
If Spurs are our yardstick then it is worth noting that their director/owners take £6million a year, until recently ours took nothing but now take £500k. A good thing?
Stan Schofield
314 Posted 09/05/2019 at 09:44:09
Dave, of course the Spurs defeat at Anfield was, like ours, gifted to the opposition rather than a dominant win.
Alan J Thompson
315 Posted 09/05/2019 at 12:46:39
Brian(#308); Cheers for that.
Gary Mortimer
316 Posted 09/05/2019 at 18:27:08
Further to my post last night. "On the Guardian sports webpage, there are 17 different stories about last night's (Liverpool's) match - 17!"

Just looking at their website now.

There are 5 joint stories about the final/results.
There are 9 stories about Spurs.
There are 4 stories about Liverpool.

Unsurprisingly the Spurs result is not being reported with the same vigour.

Sorry being being ocd about this, but the amount of media coverage they get really gets on my proverbials!

John McFarlane Snr
317 Posted 09/05/2019 at 18:42:51
Hi Brain [308] you are spot on in your explanation of the origin of 'Soccer' it was an abbreviation of association, Charles Wreford Brown a 'blue' at football and cricket in the late 19th century, was once asked by an Oxford colleague, "Are you playing 'Rugger this afternoon? his reply was "No I'm playing 'Soccer' and he's credited as being the first to describe football this way. Wreford Brown represented England on four occasions and later served as an FA council member.

Incidentally a friend of mine, [unfortunately not with us any more] was under the impression that the term was an Australian one, because the national team were known as the 'Socceroos.' I wish I had a pound for every time I have had to correct those who considered it to be of American origin.

Steve Ferns
318 Posted 09/05/2019 at 18:44:43
John, what’s the origin of Togger?
John McFarlane Snr
319 Posted 09/05/2019 at 18:47:50
Hi again Brian [308] please excuse the misspelling of your name, some could read that as an insult, believe me, it wasn't intentional.
John McFarlane Snr
320 Posted 09/05/2019 at 18:52:03
Hi Steve [318] the origin of 'Togger' came about, because the football apparel was termed as your 'togs'.
Gary Russell
321 Posted 09/05/2019 at 18:58:39
Indeed Gary @316. Not sure if you saw my earlier post (303) about the online BBC World News coverage. That lot's glory decade-or-so made so many fans around the land, so we are stuck with the appalling favouritism of the media.
Brian Williams
322 Posted 09/05/2019 at 19:17:59
John you're not the first and won't be the last mate, and it always makes me laugh when I receive an email "Dear Brain."
They obviously don' t know me 🤯
Andy Crooks
323 Posted 09/05/2019 at 19:28:42
Don# 302, no need to spell it out whatsoever. I am sure, from many previous threads, that you know my views on big Dunc and others. Continuity is fine if you are continuing with something worth continuing with.(What a sentence, by the way, figure that one out)
Dave Abrahams
324 Posted 10/05/2019 at 10:04:15
Regarding all the praise English football is receiving from “ The English Media” about the four teams making up the finalists of the two European Cups, I defy anyone to pick a decent team made up of English or even British players. Sky TV reigns not the English league.
Dave Abrahams
325 Posted 10/05/2019 at 10:06:26
At 324, of the four English teams involved obviously.
Darren Hind
326 Posted 11/05/2019 at 06:17:21
You raise a very interesting point Dave.

With one or two exceptions. The South Americans and the Europeans have been producing players more technically gifted than ours for the best part of half a century.

English stadiums were full of people demanding action packed, high octane games full of goalmouth incident.
While the foreign coach was able to utilise the silky skills available to him to develop innovative new ideas. English coaches were almost compelled to keep serving up the crash-bang-wallop.
Times have changed. The trickle of foreign players coming over here 20 years ago is now a tidal wave. They're all coming and so are the coaches. the EPL is the place to be.

I suspect English teams will dominate Europe for a sustained period now. Clever foreign coaches and technically gifted players are enhancing their games still further by adopting the English pace. Their technical skills coupled the a run-through-a-brick-wall, mentality is proving an almost irresistible mix.

Not long ago a 1-0 lead against an English team signalled take-the-piss time. Not anymore. the Europeans are simply being hunted down.

I honestly believe that there isn't a team in the world who would have the metal to play a season in the premier league and finish top six.

The benchmark has been set right under the noses of Moshiri, Brands and Silva

Dave Abrahams
327 Posted 11/05/2019 at 17:13:48
Darren (326), all true and genuine points Darren, but the one I was trying to make was would they be here if the ridiculous money they earn wasn't available here?
Tony Hill
328 Posted 11/05/2019 at 17:47:13
I agree that fitness and power won the day but so did the usual slice of simple circumstance. If the Rat had put away the chance he had, the daft fat bastard, then the RS would have been out. Ditto Spurs if Ajax hadn't panicked.

But there's no doubt that the Premier League is now the strongest in the world overall, and the gap will likely increase. There are, of course, leagues within the PL itself, and one is even starting to form within the top 6. Is any of this good news? No, I don't think so.

What can you do with a single dominant league and with other leagues which have their own dominant elites? As we said recently, the only thing to do is to hold tight, hold on to our soul and play canny.

Dermot Byrne
329 Posted 11/05/2019 at 18:36:37
Darren a good dose of reality.

My missus said the other day, after some knob on TV said how great English clubs are, that you cannot really claim the English bit if most of our players and managers come from elsewhere. And many owners too.

Seemed a fair point.

Alan J Thompson
330 Posted 12/05/2019 at 07:25:28
Darren(#326); Never underestimate the lengths some Europeans will go to to stop English (British) dominance of anything in Europe. Wouldn't be at all surprised if British clubs were excluded if Brexit ever comes about but I suppose there are a few European countries not part of the EEC. Let's just hope all are well behaved at both Finals as English supporters will be blamed for any incident even allowing for such low ticket allocations.
Terry Underwood
331 Posted 12/05/2019 at 11:46:58
Fuckin' kopites are like Aussies poor losers but worse winners. shit, bum, fuckin arseholes. we should wear carpet slippers v spurs and wolves should wear foundry boots v the shite
Jason Pullen
332 Posted 12/05/2019 at 11:59:32
Kind of shitting on your own point there Terry. Dumb comparison too!!
Jerome Shields
333 Posted 12/05/2019 at 23:34:24
I thought that Barcelona where poor, particularly in midfield and defence.

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