Tottenham Hotspur have a date with destiny if they can complete their fairytale run, win in Madrid and claim their first Champions League trophy by beating Liverpool.

This year’s final is between two clubs who haven’t actually won their domestic league in 29 and 58 years respectively and both finished second in their groups to get to the knockout phase.

Regardless, the match has enormous implications for the daily lives of Evertonians!

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Derek Knox
1 Posted 01/06/2019 at 16:00:05
Lyndon/Michael will the Live Forum be open for this game, as I 'm sure there will be many 'interested' to see how our friends fare, and at the same time rooting for the Spuds?
Jay Harris
2 Posted 01/06/2019 at 16:18:37
Got to be a Spurs win. Nothing else is bearable.
Michael Kenrick
Editorial Team
3 Posted 01/06/2019 at 16:29:21
Link added, just for you, Derek.
John Cook
4 Posted 01/06/2019 at 16:30:08
Souness reported as saying Spurs don't deserve to be there.,what a gobshite sick of the media wankfest with the immortals. sorry,the redshite.Please God a spurs win.
Anthony A Hughes
5 Posted 01/06/2019 at 16:42:44
A word of warning to all Blues, avoid the city centre like a plague. Full of inbred, woolley back, never seen a match in their lives knobheads. Please Spurs do these fuckers
Brian Williams
6 Posted 01/06/2019 at 16:43:07
I'm sure lots of TW'ers will be celebrating should Spurs do the whole country a favour and win this evening.
I won't..
On standby for an early call tomorrow morning from a mate who does vehicle spraying/respraying.
He's been offered a great price to do a respray on a double decker bus. No roof involved so he reckons four hours work and a decent wedge for doing it.
I helped him out with one a couple of weeks ago (rush job) same thing, at the end of the EPL season actually.
That one took us seven hours though because I could NOT, no matter how much I tried, work efficiently for pissing myself laughing from start to finish!

It's a funny old world innit? ;-)


Anthony A Hughes
7 Posted 01/06/2019 at 16:52:35
I thought i'd seen everything in life but i've seen a new level of redshite knobhead this afternoon, please Spurs you have got to stop this.
Chris Leyland
8 Posted 01/06/2019 at 16:58:27
I’ve escaped to the Trafford Centre where I thought I’d be safe but no, they are walking round here - full kits, scarves, the lot. Most of them will never have been to Anfield in their lives. If there is a God, please Let he/she be a Spurs fan.
Jeff Armstrong
9 Posted 01/06/2019 at 16:59:47
Brian let’s hope that bus does not come out of the garage, or will they be parading a couple of runners up trophies?
Chris Leyland
10 Posted 01/06/2019 at 17:01:42
A fella down the road from me who supports the dark side just posted a picture of his television. He has put 8 scarves round it. Their lack of self-awareness knows no bounds.
Brian Williams
11 Posted 01/06/2019 at 17:07:26
HOPE IT OVERHEATS AND BURSTS INTO FLAMES CHRIS LOL.
Paul Birmingham
12 Posted 01/06/2019 at 17:07:58
Praying for Spurs to win, as it will be unbearable at work, and where ever you go, it seems that Old Nicks spawning again.

I see it going to extra time, and I see it being a tight game. Let’s hope we get fair officials who aren’t taken in by their ability to fake and dive and cheer like no other team.

Now to pray and hope Spurs can do it.

Darren Hind
13 Posted 01/06/2019 at 17:13:54
Who's covering it, Sky ?
Brian Williams
14 Posted 01/06/2019 at 17:19:48
It'll be BT Sport Darren.
Brian Murray
15 Posted 01/06/2019 at 17:20:40
If Spurs win I'm going to make an honest woman of my bird tonight and I haven't met her yet!
Steve Carse
16 Posted 01/06/2019 at 17:22:22
If not a subscriber it's also on the BT Youtube channel.
Derek Knox
17 Posted 01/06/2019 at 17:23:13
Thanks Michael! Now where can I get a Spurs scarf from at short notice?
Derek Knox
18 Posted 01/06/2019 at 17:25:23
Brian @11, and the bus as well, after you've got your wedge of course!
Michael Lynch
19 Posted 01/06/2019 at 17:25:58
Problem is, just getting to the final might be enough for Spurs - particularly as they've had to play almost all of their homes games in a neutral venue, and have been missing their best player for half the season. I've heard so many of them say "it's a once in a lifetime experience", which doesn't bode well for them! Can't see past a RS win - just hope it's not with a last minute winner. My condolences to those who can't get out of Liverpool this weekend. Of course, if Spurs do pull off a shock and beat those spawny satan worshippers, the knives will be out for Klopp - how much longer can he keep being the perennial runner-up before the RS start a petition to get rid of him?
Derek Taylor
20 Posted 01/06/2019 at 17:33:14
A worthless thread no self respecting Evertonian would sink to comment therein.

Let us just devote our labours to affairs of Blue.Please.

Kieran Kinsella
21 Posted 01/06/2019 at 17:34:05
Torn on this one. Obviously I do not want the RS to win. However, in terms of our historic status right now we are sort of level pegging Europe-wise with Spurs beween our ECC and their Uefa win. If they win this, it boosts the notion they are the "bigger club" even if we have won the league many more times. On the other hand, Pochetino has said he may quit if they win. Also, you can bet PSG, Real, Barce, Man U, Juve etc will try and swoop in and steal their better players if they do win. That might make the task of catching them easier for us. If the RS win, I don't think it could make them or their fans any more obnoxious than they already are. So it would be extremely unpleasant but nothing we aren't used to. Then looking at players, Shakiri is a total tosser, Deli Alli seems like one too. I don't really want to see either one of those over rated jokers with a medal around their necks. So perhaps the best thing is if we get someone to put on one of those 80s Graeme Souness afro wigs, a Liverpool shirt and bribe the referee so they get disqualified and no one "wins."
Brian Williams
22 Posted 01/06/2019 at 17:42:30
Derek. Take it you're not a self respecting Evertonian then? :-)
Dermot Byrne
23 Posted 01/06/2019 at 17:43:55
Through remarkable luck I am in Campania in very rural place. Away until 12 June when,whatever happens, will be forgotten and next season is where we will all be looking.

Thank you God!

PS Of course if Spurs will, a memory may be rekindled!

Dermot Byrne
24 Posted 01/06/2019 at 17:45:50
Can define appropriate reaction to this game Editor. Or by the end of it members will have fallen out over what constitutes a Blue!
Jim Bennings
26 Posted 01/06/2019 at 17:58:32
Pleading for a Spurs win to avoid all the firework banging, screaming across the back garden wankers if this odious clan of wallpushers win tonight.

Harry Kane now is the moment you can make yourself a true hero and guarantee you will be loved in every return to Goodison.

No way can I stand the celebration of these horrible red cocks tonight.

COYS

Jim Bennings
27 Posted 01/06/2019 at 18:02:25
I’m back looking for flights to the Arctic Circle or the rural remote areas of Belize or anywhere, anywhere I can get away from the six fingered mutants celebrating.
Simon Dalzell
28 Posted 01/06/2019 at 18:21:28
Just backed WINGED SPUR, which has just flown in at Lingfield ! Surely an omen.

( Hammerred the Fav.)

COYS.

Tom Bowers
29 Posted 01/06/2019 at 18:34:57
What is this ? I thought all the real football was over. Yet another useless Euro final. Okay I'm being cynical but you have to think Spurs don't have the moxy to win this unless Dick Van Dyke gets sent off in the first five minutes.
RS have too much fire power for the Spurs defence and if RS score in the first ten minutes it's game over.
I cannot see Kane being much of a threat even if he starts as he really won't be match fit.
Dermot Byrne
30 Posted 01/06/2019 at 18:36:44
Jim...just pop down the East Lancs road!
Jack Convery
31 Posted 01/06/2019 at 18:59:24
Though Spurs lost at Anfield they bossed the 2nd half and were unlucky not to at least draw. Fingers, eyes, toes, nasal hairs, gonads etc all crossed - bloody painful are the things I do to try and get the RS to lose. Spurs come to my aid and give me relief.

PS: Pochettino run on the pitch at the end if you win and pretend to apologise to Klopp afterwards.

David Pearl
32 Posted 01/06/2019 at 19:19:39
Well ToffeeWeb introduces the game as two teams that haven't won the domestic league for 29 and 58 years playing in the CL final. Says a lot really. It could just say COME ON YOU SPURS.

I'm not going to watch it. I pay sky for their box sets, hd, movies & sports. Netflix, Amazon Prime and bollox if I'm paying even more to watch BT.

I cant see Spurs winning. But I've still bet Son to score a hat trick in a 3-0 win.

Jack Convery
33 Posted 01/06/2019 at 19:36:33
It's free on BT Sports YouTube Channel.
Colin Glassar
34 Posted 01/06/2019 at 19:41:43
Kieran, Villa and Forest have both been European Champions. Means sod all in the long term. The present is all that counts.
David Pearl
35 Posted 01/06/2019 at 19:41:44
Wow that's a first! Bt giving something away for free... even if it is just to make me miserable
Tony Hill
36 Posted 01/06/2019 at 19:56:00
I've tried to stay aloof and pretend that I don't care. But it's no good. Come on Spurs, PLEASE DO IT - for the love of God and all that is decent.
Brent Stephens
37 Posted 01/06/2019 at 19:57:54
Come on my Son. Pinnacle of your "career".

Mike Gaynes
38 Posted 01/06/2019 at 20:00:18
I think we need a live forum.

Temporary Spurs Fans Unite.

Anthony A Hughes
39 Posted 01/06/2019 at 20:00:35
Come on you SPURS..please for fucks sake.
Ray Roche
40 Posted 01/06/2019 at 20:03:35
Fuck me
James Hughes
41 Posted 01/06/2019 at 20:04:03
ref is a twat
Brent Stephens
42 Posted 01/06/2019 at 20:04:42
Fuck sake
Mike Gaynes
43 Posted 01/06/2019 at 20:05:40
Sissoko is the twat. Idiotic.
Steavey Buckley
44 Posted 01/06/2019 at 20:06:04
Mane and Salah will decide who wins the European final. But Vertonghen and Alderweireld are too slow to stop them.
Gordon Crawford
45 Posted 01/06/2019 at 20:06:32
Unbelievable.
James Hughes
46 Posted 01/06/2019 at 20:06:52
Mike G, there is a live forum
Chris Leyland
47 Posted 01/06/2019 at 20:07:24
You’d not be happy if that pen was giiven against your side.
Gordon Crawford
48 Posted 01/06/2019 at 20:07:40
Is there a live forum?
Brent Stephens
49 Posted 01/06/2019 at 20:07:58
Live Forum link just down from top of this thread
Paul Gallagher
50 Posted 01/06/2019 at 20:08:35
Watch Spurs capitulate now and lose 4-5-0!
Gordon Crawford
51 Posted 01/06/2019 at 20:09:39
Thanks.
Jim Bennings
52 Posted 01/06/2019 at 20:14:20
You just can’t see the laughin RTL porn star losing another final, and you also get the feeling Spurs are here as bridesmaids and don’t really believe they are winning this.

Afraid we just have to sit invisible during another frustrating Evertonian summer while those smug pricks celebrate another trophy.

Tony Hill
54 Posted 01/06/2019 at 20:52:45
Jim, they've been shit. There is hope.
Paul Birmingham
55 Posted 01/06/2019 at 21:03:12
There’s time for Spurs to come back, the RS, have been very poor.

The penalty like that is what they get most weeks.

Let’s keep the faith and Spurs can still come back. They do need to stop the dodgy 6 yard cross the box pass’s, as they could play them selves into big trouble.

Spurs need to really believe and get into them and take no prisoners on the park.

I’m certain Spurs can level and then win this game, take into extra time and win it.

Tony Hill
56 Posted 01/06/2019 at 21:58:02
Continuing failure and mediocrity from us are not an option after this. There is no comparison between them and us as things stand, it's an ongoing embarrassment, one which has been live for about 50 years.

We must use their horrible success as a burning incentive to start winning trophies. Anything else just will not do.

Tom Bowers
57 Posted 01/06/2019 at 21:59:17
Inevitable wasn't it. A penalty after 2 minutes and Divock with yet another late, late one. In between Spurs the better team but that's ''cup'' football. Still RS deserve to win something after all the big money they've spent but they are still second best to City.
Tony Twist
58 Posted 01/06/2019 at 22:00:54
Why did Spurs even bother, just overjoyed for themselves getting to the final. Game over after two minutes, that's something we would do. Teams need to wake up and make every game against the RS a cup final or they won't be coming second next season.
Duncan McDine
59 Posted 01/06/2019 at 22:01:57
By far the worst team performance of any winning team in the Champions League final since the beginning of time. Absolutely shite. No idea how the gobshites won that piss poor game!
David Nelson
60 Posted 01/06/2019 at 22:03:37
What a load of shite that was..I don't even give a shit..it was that boring.
Bill Gienapp
61 Posted 01/06/2019 at 22:04:08
Wow, what a dud of a final. Couldn't believe how little Liverpool did to actually earn that (other than hold their nerve defensively, and even then they were lucky Spurs weren't more clinical).
Tony Hill
62 Posted 01/06/2019 at 22:11:30
Duncan/David/Bill, tell that to the fuckers who'll be parading and strutting around this city and rubbing our noses in it. They won, again. At the moment, we have waffly bulletins about our castle in the air.

I think Silva and Brands will do it for us, but it had better start immediately and we must sweat blood to win something next season.

Paul Birmingham
63 Posted 01/06/2019 at 22:36:07
It’s almost the Final Conflict, and the RS and Old Nick, triumph again.

It’s seriously bad for the health, watching these win, in what is in my view, the worst European Cup Final, I’ve seen.

The stakes and the anti are now at critical point.

EFC, is in a position of increasing pressure to achieve. The levels and momentum of the last 30 years must be turned very soon.

Sick, and gutted., and that a feeling of, the bulk of my time watching, supporting EFC. It’s a Biblical scourge..

Next season, is vital, no more scorning golden chances. The club must be serious, but chasing the dream has been like Icarus, and we have a squad of players not good enough, don’t fit, score or gel and a couple of players at the end of their careers.

This tonight must send a message to the EFC board.

William Gall
64 Posted 01/06/2019 at 23:02:07
first time I have been happy that none of the regular sports channels in Canada showed the game. Just unhappy that the regular sports channels in c anada lost their bid to shoe the premier league on tv next season.
Joe McMahon
65 Posted 01/06/2019 at 23:04:11
Well I live on rossendale and just got back from the beer garden, some Liverpool shirts but mot in pub agash at the penalty!!. We need a different mindset than well a 45 year old Baines is one of us! I look forward to the 95th stadium public consultation. Before anyone shoots me down I've have a few sherberts.
Trevor Peers
66 Posted 01/06/2019 at 23:05:45
Something is wrong when Everton keep missing the boat financially, firstly the ManCity owners and now the Russian, Usmanov, both have looked willing to buy into the club, but it never happened. Why is that?

We will never compete with the best because we lack ruthless ambition, unforgivable to miss out twice financially.

They are the two we know about, how many others have there been? It's pathetic and so unfair on our great support.

Dermot Byrne
67 Posted 01/06/2019 at 23:12:34
So another of the rich clubs win again. Get paid a lot more from TV as a result and get more fans abroad. leading to yet more TV money. Then between them they play around with the rest of the clubs in cups and leagues to keep them fit and then feast at the CL trough again in spring. Then more money and on it will trundle.

Well to me getting upset every time is a bit like moaning everyone you leave a casino having lost. Maybe it is that I am getting older, but nowadays tend to enjoy watching us play and sometimes win. But I never expect the casino to lose ultimately anymore.

Bad fan?

Kieran Kinsella
68 Posted 01/06/2019 at 23:14:53
Duncan 59

You obviously didn’t watch Red Star Belgrade win it in 89 or was it 90? Talk about parking a bus. They turned their half into a bus terminal.

As for Liverpool it is what it is. Chin up, endure the ribbing, and hope for blue skies ahead

Mike Galley
69 Posted 01/06/2019 at 00:07:27
To repeat the sentiments of a few of the posters on here, 'FUCK THEM.'

Please, Everton, start acting like a club that wants to win things, I keep saying it but there has to be a mentality change at this club that can only come from the top. Please M&M, implement that change.

Phil Martin
70 Posted 02/06/2019 at 00:13:24
I've never felt more dejected with Everton and football. Watching them reach final after final, while our search for a trophy seems as distant as ever, is a toxic combination.

Please, Everton, do something.

Iain Johnston
71 Posted 02/06/2019 at 00:33:54
Was it us in the final? No, so who gives a shit. There's too much focus and expended emotional energy given to the RS.

What the chuff is this, a thread on that lot's Euro exploits? Bollocks to that.

Their ground is our cast off, the emblem on their crest now belongs to us. Without us they'd be nothing.

We stand tall, we stand proud, we are Everton.

Nicholas Randall
72 Posted 02/06/2019 at 01:15:50
When Liverpool beat Barcelona I thought they would win it. Barcelona allowed them back in the game in the second leg. They should not have lost 4-0. I think Barcelona lost it. If Manchester City had beaten Tottenham perhaps they would have beaten Liverpool although I wanted Tottenham to win their semi final. I wanted Tottenham to beat Liverpool but I do not think they are as good as them yet.

There are two people on Twitter who are both Manchester United supporters who wanted Liverpool to win. I do not think the majority of Manchester United supporters would have wanted them to win.

This is the second time that I have experienced Liverpool winning the Champions League and I hope they never win it again.

Eric Myles
73 Posted 02/06/2019 at 03:12:22
William #64, does that mean no Everton games on TSN any more?
Steve Brown
74 Posted 02/06/2019 at 03:50:48
Agree, it is all Barcelona's fault.
Anthony A Hughes
75 Posted 02/06/2019 at 06:49:52
No good talking about emblems on crests and ground swaps from 100+years ago. What matters is what is happening now and we're so far off them it's beyond a joke.
Jim Bennings
76 Posted 02/06/2019 at 08:13:39
We need to actually achieve something tangible ourselves this season.

Another season passes and the biggest interest is who can stop Liverpool winning something whilst our season died of death back in January.

We need something more than just promise and another 8th place finish, no disrespect but that gets you nowhere, not while you sit and watch the city rivals celebrating winning and challenging for the biggest trophies every year.

For Everton a Cup must be number one target next season or a serious tilt at that top four (I truly believe outside the top two it’s pretty mediocre now).

Graeme Beresford
77 Posted 02/06/2019 at 08:38:10
This week, all I have seen is flags hanging from windows, cars with flags flapping in the wind, and social media has brought every single Liverpool hanger-on out of the woodwork. It actually makes me laugh. People posting videos and pictures who have never been to a game in their lives and wouldn't know how to get to Anfield unless they satnaved it.

Fair play to them but what we have to remember is the Champions League is 13 games. I think they actually lost about 4 of them. Spurs didn't really turn up, I believe... I wouldn't know as I didn't watch it. Ironic I only knew Liverpool won when I heard fireworks going off, again probably from fans who couldn't even name their own team.

But it's only Liverpool who, after 23 seconds in a final, can get a penalty due to an apparent handball. I say 'apparent' as the new rules weren't in force yet, Sissoko is pointing to where he wants another Spurs player to be and more importantly to me... it looks like it hits his chest. But still it never happens to them. Imagine if that penalty was the other way round, there would be uproar.

As I said, fair play to them but jeeeeezzzzz they don't half get some luck. 2 pens in their last 3 Champions League finals now. Who writes this stuff.

Come on, Everton, do us all a favour and start the season well and win the Premier League before them, now that would be some party.

Michael Lynch
78 Posted 02/06/2019 at 08:38:28
Didn't watch it; glad it was a shit final, sorry they won, disappointed for the Spurs fans – who are similar to us, in that most of them are local and had to endure their more glamorous rivals winning loads a few decades ago.

It's the RS's first trophy in donkeys and I'd rather they won the Champions League than the Premier League. Man City are streets ahead and would have made worthier European Champions but, ultimately, that's football. The Champions League means nothing to me until we are regularly competing in it.

Anyway, just say "well done" to the dickheads if you meet them in the street, and let your thoughts turn to next season. If we make a couple of key signings, it should be a good one.

Joe McMahon
79 Posted 02/06/2019 at 08:47:59
Michael @78, a team that hasn't won a sausage since 1995, or played in any Champions League group stages, is obsessed with ex-players on the coaching staff, is a little more than "a couple of key signings" from achieving anything worth mentioning. In and around Everton, Wolves and West Ham will be stronger next season.
Jay Woods
80 Posted 02/06/2019 at 08:48:36
It wasn't on TV in Latvia and I couldn't get a consistent stream online, so I missed it.

It was never going to be a proper game once the referee destroyed it at the very start with that penalty award... isn't the rule hand-to-ball = penalty, but ball-to-hand = no penalty?

Oh well, UEFA and the media got what they wanted, a Liverpool win.

Paul Birmingham
81 Posted 02/06/2019 at 09:43:20
EFC must take stock and show a kind of spirit and determination to win we haven't seen for 30 years.

The RS good fortune this last season and for decades before is legendary.

Contempt is total, I said to my son, the Klogg officials may support Ajax, and could be a factor.

Ball to hand and Sissoko had his arm up before the pass. Ball to hand all day.

Now we must focus on us, and get the preseason going.

We need progress this season and to become a presence, and push for top 6 and win a cup.

The next few days I'm wearing the ear protectors and blanking out the RS.

Mike Connolly
82 Posted 02/06/2019 at 09:53:17
We need to stop worrying about them across the park. We need to focus on our own team. We are so far behind the top 6. Even now Wolves, Leicester and West Ham our in the frame. Not forgetting Newcastle who may be coming into the cash.

We pride our self on having the local fans. However, if Liverpool keep winning, all the kids are going to latch on to them.

As it has been said many a time, the club is rotten to the core. Something drastic needs to happen next season or we'll be battling for the bottom 6.

James Hughes
83 Posted 02/06/2019 at 09:56:21
I've just been looking at the Echo and there is a sad RS trolling the EFC pages, they really are poor fans.
Michael Lynch
84 Posted 02/06/2019 at 10:03:50
Joe @79 I think you have to define what you mean by a "good season" or "achieving anything worth mentioning" though.

At this stage, for me, if I can watch us play some decent and committed football, more along the lines of what we saw in the last quarter of the season, and make a decent fist of the cup competitions, that will be a good season.

I agree with those who think we're miles off the top 4, I'm not expecting us to get anywhere near that level for a few years, but with a couple of additions, we are capable of getting a lot closer to the top 6 pointswise. You might think that's still not achieving anything worth mentioning, and you may be right, but I see it as a realistic short-term aim.

Jimmy Hogan
85 Posted 02/06/2019 at 10:08:26
I didn't grow up in Liverpool, but one my Everton mates did and he reckons that as a teenage Blue in Liverpool in the 1970s, he was outnumbered 3 to 1 by Liverpool fans. Does this ring true for other Evertonians in the City?
Jeff Armstrong
86 Posted 02/06/2019 at 10:11:11
I grew up in Liverpool in the sixties and seventies; I'd say the ratio of fans was 50/50.
Jimmy Hogan
87 Posted 02/06/2019 at 10:16:07
Thanks, Jeff. He must have gone to the wrong school. :-)
Rory Grant
88 Posted 02/06/2019 at 10:18:46
Lots of realism here. As painful as last night was, it should have no bearing on our club.

We are stuck mid-table, seemingly a never-ending "project" and supposed progress not realising. Those are the facts and unless we make a proper, and expensive push for the top, there is no point whining about the RS.

Accepting the current situation as improvement is accepting defeat.

Danny Baily
89 Posted 02/06/2019 at 10:21:28
Michael 84, we really do need something to shout about. It's been a quarter of a century. League Cup might be a good place to start.

Football is all about winning.

Alan McGuffog
90 Posted 02/06/2019 at 10:35:27
Given our obsession with the RS, would it not be an idea to stop singing "It's a Grand Old Team"?
Anthony Murphy
91 Posted 02/06/2019 at 10:39:35
Jimmy, if a door-to-door poll was carried out across the Liverpool city region right now, it would realistically be 10:1 or more.

I'm a changed man after last night. I'm 47 and have spent my whole life moping about as a Blue, hoping we can emulate their success one day, hoping they fall apart and suffer years of mediocrity. I've wasted hours of my life hating them.

But, it dawned on me last night that the joke surely is on us for giving their fortunes this level of scrutiny. We shine a blue light on the liver birds and sell Messi scarves while they win European trophies. We are so far off them, it's untrue, and have been for most of my lifetime. We simply must focus on our own fortunes from this point on as quite frankly I'm embarrassed that I've wasted so much time and energy on LIverpool FC.

I want success for Everton but from this point on I'm done with comparing and contrasting our fortunes with theirs. It's unhealthy and hasn't got us anywhere has it? They've always had phoney fans, they've always had favourable media exposure and luck on their side – that will not change – so let's focus on what we can change.

George McKane
92 Posted 02/06/2019 at 10:42:48
Enough now - stop.
Darren Hind
93 Posted 02/06/2019 at 10:45:22
No Jimmy. It only seemed that way.

They were parading around the city with a trophy every 20 minutes and but for one season when we flattered to deceive, we didn't make a serious challenge for the title. A lame defeat in the League cup final was as close to a trophy as we got - To think went into that decade as champions.

The only time it has ever seemed like we were the majority is when the club has actually given us something to shout about by winning something. They've had so much more to shout about than us.

Today they will parade Europe's biggest prize around the City. Some hardy Evertonian's will shout them down and wind them up by giving them zero credit, but the majority will suffer in silent agony.

Hey, This is football, its about the here and now, all their European trophies menat nothing when we taunted them in 85 with chants of hand it over. I have to believe it will happen again.

They don't look like they are about to fall from grace anytime soon. Whatever it takes, WE have got to start getting our fucking act together.
Who do I have to kill to make that happen ?

Ian Jones
94 Posted 02/06/2019 at 10:45:33
Slightly off topic. Unless I missed it, I don't remember seeing anything on the main news about Man City's parade through the streets showcasing their treble. Only saw pics in a paper.
Brian Murray
95 Posted 02/06/2019 at 10:50:02
Anthony, a quite reasoned and sensible take on them shower; however, it still and always will leave a heavy feeling in my stomach any success they have. (That's why I swerved the weekend and I'm here in Blackpool, lol.)

Let's face it, we are a mildly focused and committed club and always seem happy to amble along spouting about the great work we do in the city or hell-bent in giving ex-players jobs asap. Jeez, Jagielka and Baines are still here and not even out the door yet and already calls for them to be put back on the payroll.

I honestly thought with the three Ms running the show it would change the mindset at least a bit but it's still the same old Everton with Bill getting emotional over Davie Hickson etc... Very sad.

Andrew Ellams
96 Posted 02/06/2019 at 11:08:24
I've got to go into work tomorrow, in London, and face 5 of them whose collective match attendance is zero. This is what grates me about the RS that shout the loudest.
Steve Carse
97 Posted 02/06/2019 at 11:13:07
The most telling statistic on the relative historical support levels of the two clubs is how quickly once we got a decent team after the trials of the 70s we removed the disparity between attendances. Despite the decade and longer of virtually unbroken success across the park, official gates were not far off parity in the mid-80s.

We must also not forget that just weeks prior to the fluke in Istanbul Anfield attendances had slipped to below the 40,000 mark. But that never to be repeated event put paid to our ever achieving parity again. Not just the fact that they won the Champions Cup but the very nature of the victory. Sky TV and the Premier League continued to pump money (and coverage) into the more successful clubs like Liverpool after that and their support increased exponentially, and particularly at a national and international level.

The only amazing thing about our local support over the same period is that it has stayed intact if measured at the turnstiles. But the dynamics of club support are such that the attraction of local younger age groups by Liverpool must inevitably have a negative effect on our own when looking ahead.

Chris Leyland
98 Posted 02/06/2019 at 11:18:32
What Anthony Murphy says above.

I too had this realisation last night. I’m not actually that bothered about their win last night as it won’t change anything for us. It also won’t change their horrible, phoney fans with their full kits, badges, flags and lack of actually visiting Anfield.

I’ve wasted years of my life wanting them to lose and looking out for their result in the hope that them losing would somehow make us happier. It won’t as it doesn’t change the underlying fact that we are shit because of chronic mismanagement over a sustained period and not because of what they do.

Whilst I will always want them to lose as that is the essence of rivalry, I’m no longer going to define a large amount of my happiness by what happens with them. I will define my happiness by what we do.

I’m frankly embarrassed at some of our fans wearing half and half Everton/Spurs shirts or buying Messi scarves. We need to focus on ourselves.

The only thing that can change anything for us is our own club and those who run and manage it. We need to focus on them and hope that we are serious about being more than a mid-table also ran.

Phil Martin
99 Posted 02/06/2019 at 12:08:23
Chris Leyland, you're right in what you say. The difficulty is not being emotional when we're not even a good cup side, and they keep winning (and get a lot of attention).

Evertonians have almost nothing to cling on to. We are starved of finals or even getting a sniff of a trophy.

Let's not pin our dreams on a stadium that may or may not happen or even be fit for purpose.

10 years ago, we were 2 or 3 top players off the top 4. We didn't back the manager, and today we're probably 4 or 5 players off the top 6. Talk about stagnation.

Paul Tran
100 Posted 02/06/2019 at 12:16:22
Even up here, the top bloke over the road from us has his windows full of LFC flags. Fine by me, his Mum's a Scouser, like the many 'Cockney' Blues I met in London with Scouse parents.

In a poor game, they were the better team in both boxes, where it counts.

What can we learn from them? Their success is based on ruthlessly ambitious management, particularly good recruitment at all levels, initial patience and the collective sense of everybody pulling together on and off pitch.

We can scoff, or learn. I want to shout 'hand it over' again and there's no reason why we can't do those four things necessary to succeed.

Frank Crewe
101 Posted 02/06/2019 at 12:22:19
The difference was in the attack. The reds had forwards who looked capable of scoring. Spurs had Kane.

Pochettino shouldn't have played Kane. He wasn't fit and he isn't all that great even when he is. The cockney Lukaku. But they just had to go with the local hero. Son and Moura up front would have given them more bite. Considering Moura scored a hattrick against Ajax he should never have been left on the bench.

I'll be surprised if Pochettino is still their manager next season. He's done all he can with Spurs and I'm sure he wants to buy a better forward than Kane but the club won't allow it. I think he'll move on.

Stan Schofield
102 Posted 02/06/2019 at 12:34:31
The only thing relevant to Evertonians is how well Everton are doing. How well others are doing, including Liverpool, is irrelevant. If we do well, we're not bothered how well others do. If we don't do well, we get frustrated watching others do well. So it's all down to us doing well.

I've got old mates who are reds and fair minded, good blokes. For their sake, I've got no issue with Liverpool winning a trophy. Those lads have been frustrated like we've been frustrated (but not quite as frustrated as us!), because they've won little to nothing for years, and coming second doesn't compensate. They've had to play second fiddle to the elite clubs like Man City, Man Utd and Chelsea, despite the big resources spent. No amount of apparent bias towards them in the media can make up for that. If they hadn't won anything this year, it would have been a big mental problem for them.

Let's just focus on Everton, and leave others to enjoy their success when they have it and deal with their problems when they don't. If Everton really start walking the walk instead of just talking the talk, everything else won't matter.

Chris Leyland
103 Posted 02/06/2019 at 12:38:27
Phil Martin, you are right, it is the emotional side of things but them losing will not make us any better. The only people who can make us any better are those who manage the club itself.

Paul Tran is right about learning from them and their ruthless recruitment. Whilst they've paid under £100 million in total for their front three, we've spent the same for players who are a level below like Walcott, Tosun, Schneiderlin, Klaassen. They've sold their players at the right time and used the money to buy sell, we've sold cheap and bought badly.

We need to focus on ourselves and what we do. This summer is an opportunity to solidify what we have, buy 2 or 3 good players (including someone upfront who will get 15 a season!) and push onwards. We aren't that many wins behind Arsenal and Man Utd. Spurs lost nearly as many league games as us this season and Chelsea may struggle once Hazard has gone and the transfer ban is in place. Next season could be a chance, let's hope those in charge of the club see it too.

Tom Bowers
104 Posted 02/06/2019 at 13:01:32
We are what we are and have been for years, loyal supporters of a club that has been mis-managed by Kenwright and his cronies.

We live in hope every Summer that the next season will finally see a swing in fortune that gives us some credibility against the top teams but it's not to be.

Certainly money plays a big part and whilst the top teams get the pick of the crop, teams like Everton rely on the scraps, getting players, managers and coaches who are just below requirements and perform the same way.

Liverpool and Man City have proved what good management and investment can do and Everton have to think that further investment from abroad is necessary because despite Moshiri they are still not making progress in my opinion.

We live in hope!

Kunal Desai
105 Posted 02/06/2019 at 13:04:54
Whilst they have won 2 European cups in 15 years what exactly have we done in that time? We are still on our second consultation of a new ground.

The clubs are far apart. Everton will always remain in their shadows sadly whether we accept it or not.

What I want from Everton is to have some plan in place to move the club forward every season. I just get the feeling the custodians of the club are happy to remain in the Premier League.

Brent Stephens
106 Posted 02/06/2019 at 13:19:31
It's hard. I watched the game hoping they'd lose. We'd all have been cock-a-hoop if that had happened, not ignoring them (by saying "ignore them").

But they w..., they w They didn't lose, so I can't avoid that and rationalise it away (it was a cack game; they're all flying back to Norway etc). Fortunately my Sunday paper has none of it on the front page of the main section nor the sports section (Idlib News).

Move on. Another set of signings, another season, another bag full of hopes.

God it's dark in this bunker. Still, only another month to go before I emerge into daylight. Keep passing down the scouse, love - no humble pie.

Raymond Fox
107 Posted 02/06/2019 at 13:24:57
Very sensible comments from the last few posters - I've not read the full thread, I'm sure there's more.

Their success should be a further spur to our club to improve. It's extremely difficult though to make that final jump from nearly men to winners.

Man City are proof of what it takes: in short – lots of money spent wisely.

Steve Hogan
108 Posted 02/06/2019 at 13:51:49
Kunal (105)

You simply CANNOT say we 'will always be in their shadows', pardon my french, but we don't want to hear that fucking defeatist talk right now. You need to man up mate.

We have to draw inspiration from what has evolved at Man City over 10-15 years. Ok, not sure what has happened there, is 'morally' correct, but their only sin so far, is that their owners have thrown a whole heap of financial backing at the project, they have also, very astutely, brought in to the club, exceptional football and commercial people.

It wasn't long ago they were playing in the third tier of english football in a ground worse than Goodison.

That's the hope and expectation that keep's me going. Now is the time all supporter's need to stay strong, as unpleasant as the current situation is, we are EVERTON, that's what makes us different.

Keep the faith.

Dermot Byrne
109 Posted 02/06/2019 at 14:38:21
Steve. inspiring stuff and imagine Kunal feels the same. But admit the game is rigged to money. So if we spend somebody's fortune now or in the future, then sure we will wander around with chests out for a while.

But we will know it is just bought. Ask a long serving Citeh fan. Many I know just find it ridiculous as well as making them proud.

But COYB nontheless!

Tom Bowers
110 Posted 02/06/2019 at 14:49:04
A succession of poor managers is reflective of Everton's idea of a top managers and in a word – crap!
Moyes was steady but average and lacking in funds to do anything worthwhile; Martinez took Swansea down; Koeman got it all wrong and then a washed up Allardyce (come on!).

We now have Silva with no pedigree at all (Hull City and a short spell of games at Watford). This is totally unacceptable for a club like Everton and it's loyal following.

If they don't start at the top they will always be average in the output on the field.

Dermot Byrne
111 Posted 02/06/2019 at 14:58:10
Sometimes it is how you win as much as how you react to not winning.

This is so classy:

Link

Lee Brian
112 Posted 02/06/2019 at 15:00:03
See are lovely neighbours have defaced "Prince Ruperts Tower". Classless bunch of pricks!!!!!

Wonder what would happen if we painted the flame or Shankly gate Royal Blue.

God I Hate them.


COYB (Please)

Phil Greenough
113 Posted 02/06/2019 at 15:03:38
And this is why most people dislike LFC. I can live with the team, they're a very good side, it's the majority of fans who are abhorrent.

I take comfort in the fact that football is cyclical and that it's Man City's time in the sun. Remember when LFC were in the second division for years, imagine what it was like for their fans then.

The only comfort they could take was Evertonians were more magnanimous then. The bile that it spewed by their fans now, knows no bounds.

Darren Hind
114 Posted 02/06/2019 at 15:28:17
Total Gobshites. Only Kopites would "celebrate" in such a despicable manner.
Phil Bellis
115 Posted 02/06/2019 at 15:34:08
Shameful what some Chelsea fans will do!
What, next, 39 on the Shankly Gates?

Their biggest triumph in 14 years and how do they celebrate it?
Shan't hold my breath waiting for the LFC hierarchy/Red Echo/any kopite to condemn the vandalism

James Hughes
116 Posted 02/06/2019 at 15:35:14
As a wise(ish) man said earlier, enough now, please stop. All this angst and navel staring creates nought.

Our failings are well documented we don't need to cover every cut and bruise, every misfortune, we know them well enough. Stop feeling sorry for ourselves and look to the future.

Whilst I am not a fan of all that 'In (insert name) We Trust' nonsense. I do believe that Brands did not leave a winning set up just to come here and be happy with just keeping us up. So I am going to have a little faith in him.

As for Silva he is still somewhat of an enigma. I am still undecided on him but that is down to my lack of insight rather than his lack of ability. He had some major peaks and troughs last season but look at some results

Citteh- beaten both games, much better team, no argument
R.S. - pickfords brain melt gifted the first game, drew the home one. JUST my opinion but they were lucky both games
Chelski- took four points off them, matched them at their place. Played them off in the park in the second half at GP
Spuds- trounced us at GP when we were in the patch,were we could't tell our arses from our elbows. Didn't let ourselves down at theirs I felt they were lucky to get a point.

Manure/ The Arse. Identical results. lost at their place aided by some dodgy decisions. At the Old Lady they were lucky to escape with the score they did, especially The Arse.

IMO we did quite well against the top clubs last year. we imploded in the middle 3 months and blew any chance of challenging them. The bad run was awful and the football on display was dire but it did not define our season.

We added some quality players to our team last year and I have feeling Brands will be working hard on sorting the squad out for the coming season.

So as that wise(ish) man has always said, Posso Waves Blues

Anthony A Hughes
117 Posted 02/06/2019 at 15:56:01
City centre full of the cretins again. Sick of the sight of those "Never Give Up" fucking t shirts. Off home to have a large G&T and pretend yesterday never happened
Tony Abrahams
118 Posted 02/06/2019 at 16:38:04
It happened Anthony A, and there will be no getting away from it for ages now mate.

My only advice is to shut the doors, shake yer head in acknowledgement of a definite penalty, (unfuckingbelievable) and then concentrate on Everton, just like the little gobshites who have graffitied Prince Ruperts tower?

They’ve been giving them penalties all season said the Ref in the BT studios, yet only a few weeks ago that same ref, said it was ball to hand when Messi was screaming for a penalty at the Nou Camp?

Jim Bennings
119 Posted 02/06/2019 at 16:54:24
Disgusting that they deface St Rupert Tower but what can you expect from that lot really?

They have defaced or trashed virtually every city in Europe at some point so why not carry on at home?

We could go and graffiti on the Shankly Gates but how do you fit in “murderers, wallpushers, 39 Italians, Ambulance attacking scum”?

I think I’d run out of spray paint lol.

Tony Hill
120 Posted 02/06/2019 at 17:15:52
Quite right, James @116. I've got over last night already and can't wait for the new fixtures to come out in 10 days or so. And then, August, when Goodison will be looking superb again.

Who knows what may happen? Our future is ours to make.

Terry Farrell
121 Posted 02/06/2019 at 19:31:06
In screwfix this morning and a customer comes in wearing a Liverpool away shirt. Someone he knew came in and says were you nervous. Yes he says. Boring match says the other guy. Didn't see it says away shirt! You couldn't make it up.
On another point can anyone give me 1 contentious dodgey decision that has gone against them in the last 20 years?
John Atkins
122 Posted 02/06/2019 at 20:34:36
The be all and end all is that we have to get this stadium and it has to be all it promises to be. It also needs to be 60,000 that’s the only way we will be able to compete against the gobshites and the rest of the Sky elite.

Brian Wilkinson
123 Posted 05/06/2019 at 22:19:03
Terry@121, only last 20 years, Jesus I’m 55 and struggling to think of one in my lifetime, let alone last 20 years.

Compare that and sure some might come up with the odd one where a big decision went our way over that time that decided the outcome.

We have never won a league title on goal difference, we have never won a cup final in extra time or penalties and unless we got a penalty in the 1906 final, cannot think of a penalty we have had given in a cup final.

The only one I can come up with was the disallowed Bolton goal, that after Southall was taken out by one of their players with no free kick given to Everton.

The Suarez one was another where he should not have even been on the pitch to have the goal ruled out, after taking Mirallas out in the first half, then the tackle on Distin in the same game.

Chris Leyland
124 Posted 05/06/2019 at 23:24:12
I don’t buy this theory that refs favour the shite. The evidence points to it being entirely even. Here are just a few random examples to prove it:

1. Clive Thomas disallowing our 3rd goal 1977 FA Cup Semi

2. Alan Hansen - handball on goal line 1984 Milk Cup Final not given.

3. 2007 Derby at Goodison Park - the ‘Clattenburg Derby’. Stevie G persuading the ref to send Tony Hibbert off when he was about to show him a yellow. Kuyt’s kung foo kick not given a red card. If you've never seen it, watch it: it is a two footed off the ground lunge which he actually runs and launches into. He wasn’t sent off but he did score 2 pens in the game. Then last minute after he’d given Liverpool a pen to put them 3-2 up, Lescott is wrestled to the ground in Liverpool’s box only for Clattenburg to wave play on.

4. Gary McAllister being allowed to move the ball ten yards forward to score winner in 94th minute at Goodison 2001

5. Don Hutchinson disallowed goal in last minute of Derby at Goodison in 200. Ranked the 7th worst referring decision of all time by the Bleacher Report.

6.Steven Gerrard being allowed to move the free kick 5 yards in from the touch line in the 89th minute resulting in the shite scoring to make it 3-3 at Goodison.

7. 1991. FA Cup Anfield - Pat Nevin chopped down in area for clearest pen you will see. Ref waves play on.


Dennis Stevens
125 Posted 05/06/2019 at 23:58:28
Chris #124 - I have to admit, when you take the long view it really becomes much clearer how these things even themselves out over time.
Terry Farrell
126 Posted 12/06/2019 at 07:03:48
Brian Chris thanks for double checking! They call us bitter but the facts are there. Even city fans have started to notice. The disallowed goals and pens waved away versus the offside goals and pens given to rs are mounting up!!

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