Prediction Time?

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After a long, long time of watching Everton, I'm trying to be a little philosophical and not normally prone to knee-jerk reactions, but I'm unsure just how the current situation will pan out?

Clearly and quite rightly, many fans are venting their anger on what is turning out to be a dreadful start to the season. After a fairly tepid pre-season programme, in which you could see the squad not only had a problem winning games but also scoring goals against some fairly mediocre opposition to boot.

What we see now is only an escalation of those problems evident in pre-season, but against much better quality opposition, who will punish you – like a fairly ordinary but well organised Sheffield United team did a couple of weeks ago.

The much-vaunted appointment and subsequent promotion to the board of Marcel Brands finally brought to an end the reliance on Kenwright to negotiate, on the club's behalf, all inbound and outbound transfers. The future looked a lot brighter.

So, what's gone wrong.

For me, the buck starts and stops with the manager, I'm afraid. He chooses who plays, and ultimately decides the tactics, and this is where Silva gets me really confused.

I'm not totally convinced he knows or understands what his best first eleven is? The utter farce in the last 15 minutes of the second half against Sheffield United was a little embarrassing as it seemed we had nine forwards on the pitch looking to rescue the game.

We had seen some improvement at Sheffield Wednesday and, despite some good individual displays against Manchester City, we were largely outclassed.

We simply don't create enough goal chances against teams, and a forward line of Messi, Ronaldo and Pele (showing my age) would struggle to score goals in this team.

We are utterly predictable in our build-up play and ponderously slow. Our two centre-backs will pass it several times between themselves before normally releasing the ball to Coleman. By this time, the opposition will have two banks of four and five players protecting the goalkeeper and simply waiting for our attack to break down before hitting us on the break (a la Sheffield United). We must be one of the easiest teams in the Premier League to play against.

Oh for some creativity in the side… but I don't see it arriving anytime soon.

So, do we stick or twist with Silva? I do really wish Moshiri would make some sort of statement about the club's goals and ambitions. Before Christmas, we should expect a formal planning application to be put forward for Bramley-Moore Dock, this will be diluted somewhat if we aren't progressing on the field. I don't propose to know all the answers if the club decide to part company with the manager. The plain fact is there is a real dearth of good managers out there who are prepared to walk out on their present clubs and come to Everton.

We have to face the fact we are no longer seen as a club with real global or even European status, even with a billionaire owner and a shiny new stadium on the horizon.

Changing managers every couple of seasons is clearly not the answer, but how long do we continue to believe the current manager has the ability to 'turn things round' in the next six to eight games?

The top four and even the top six group of clubs, which we were aiming for pre-season, seems an awful long way off.

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Annika Herbert
1 Posted 30/09/2019 at 06:11:32
A good read Steve and you make several good points. The one I have bemoaned for so long is the lack of creativity.
It's been a problem for some time now and we are desperate for a game changer in the number 10 position. But you are also spot on regarding the pace, more like lack of, that we attack with. It is painfully slow and is something Silva clearly needs to deal with.
Sam Hoare
2 Posted 30/09/2019 at 07:29:43
I reckon my 3 year old could manage a team with Messi, Ronaldo and Pele up front and they’d score a bucket load! But you are right about creativity.

Silva has done poorly this season. In particular he seems to lack plan b. But I also think Brands did not have the best summer. We really lack a more mobile CB and an athletic CM plus a reliable goal scorer; perhaps Gbamin and Kean may become the latter but currently this first XI is unbalanced and lacking.

Kevin Prytherch
3 Posted 30/09/2019 at 08:32:17
Although we crave a creative number 10...

How many successful teams actually play with a creative player in this number 10 role? Or play with a successful 4-2-3-1 formation?

I’ve not researched it so feel free to throw as many as you like. I personally can’t think of any premier league winners who have used this.

Dave Williams
4 Posted 30/09/2019 at 10:18:56
A well balanced piece Steve and I agree with all you say.

The loss of Gbamin and Gomes is a mitigating factor in that Gbamin is supposedly athletic and will inject youth while Gomes is our best midfielder when in the mood.

That said Silva, as you say does not help himself with some very strange selections (the ponderous duo of Morgan and Gylfi), strange subsitutions (Walcott) and his continued reluctance to give the younger players an opportunity.

I was considering the quality of our team after the City game and we are packed with internationals. The England keeper, the England CB, the Colombia CB, the France LB and the Ireland skipper at RB. These are all current internationals, not has-beens and regardless of a lack of pace a decent coach should be able to mould them into a solid defence which does not give away silly goals. Okay, it will get done for raw pace from time to time but I can't recall any goals conceded this season due to lack of pace.

Midfield as you point out is slow and lacks energy. Delph has it but currently has too much work to do as his colleagues are not helping him. Morgan is doing okay within his capabilities whilst Sigurdsson has to be dropped. He was married in the summer and I recall Catterick saying how that can adversely affect some players. He is 30 and some players tail off earlier than others. He was a poor buy as we paid way over the odds for him and have never found a natural place for him in the team. He is skilful, scored some cracking goals for us but I cannot see any way that we will crack the top 6 with him because he unbalances the team; he doesn't provide the game of a second striker and he doesn't get involved enough as a midfielder and for me we are almost a man down with him in the side.

With Gbamin and Gomes fit, and Delph alongside them we may have a much more mobile midfield but still lacking a player like Arteta at his peak.

Up front Calvert-Lewinis coming along nicely and Kean still needs to settle. Once Kean is played in a settled side with a decent midfield I think he will come good.

Last season it was only when the younger players were given a chance that we started to improve. Gordon will hopefully force his way through, Adeniran is almost there and I can't quite see why the talk is of moving Evans on as he seems to have something about him.

The two young CBs are decent so why won't Silva even put one or two on the bench? If Beni regains his form which it seems he is he could be a valuable addition too.

All of the above rambling is me trying to say that we have a good squad of players who have shown that they can perform at a high level – see our wins against the top sides last season. Silva is said by many to be a good coach but so was Colin Harvey – can he manage as well? I don't buy into the excuses being made for him by some of a poor transfer window.

Look at the teams who have beaten us and compare them man for man. We are far superior and a good manager should be able to mould them into a very good team.

Burnley will be a very interesting game.

Steve Hogan
5 Posted 30/09/2019 at 10:48:55
Dave (4)

You're right about Siggy, he's a 'lost soul' in a team that's struggling for form and confidence. He's no box-to-box player, not a great tackler, and the goals seem to have dried up as well. I not sure Silva is playing him in the right position though, and the £45m transfer fee (not his fault) doesn't help his cause.

But he goes missing for long periods at the moment, and we need everyone contributing whilst the team is struggling for results.

The club once again is in the media spotlight because of poor performances, mainly I have to say because of the manager's tactics and team selection, as you say, we have real quality in the team/squad, and have made a substantial investment over the last 12 months, but results last year midterm, and current form, suggest a real problem with the manager?

I hate to highlite 'other' teams, but Leicester are flying at the moment, having sold probably their best player in the summer, all without blinking it seems.

It HAS to be the way the manager coaches the team and dictates the way they play. Even after Newcastle went down to 10 men, the pace and variety of the Leicester attacks were staggering.

Be interesting to know the comparative sums spent on both teams in the last 18 months, because at the moment, they are miles ahead of us in the chase for top 4/6.

This after we were included by many pundits pre-season, of being one of a clutch of improving teams chasing a top six spot. If we continue to have mixed or poor results to the end of the season, he will be gone that's for sure.

Ahhh, the joys of being an Evertonian.

Dave Williams
6 Posted 30/09/2019 at 11:15:09
Leicester are the shining example, Steve. Kante, Drinkwater and Maguire all gone and they are coming again with a decent manager at the helm.

It has to be the manager who dictates the passing around aimlessly and the dreadfully slow build-up which as you said allows the opposition to get their two banks of four in place. This is why Kean is finding it difficult because he has no space in which to turn.

These players can do far better; the question is, can the manager?

John Raftery
7 Posted 30/09/2019 at 11:17:43
Dave (4) Your comments on Sigurdsson are spot on. Accommodating him in the team has always been an issue. As he is no longer scoring goals, has only one assist this season, has a dubious record with penalties and has failed to score from a direct free kick since he joined us, it is increasingly difficult to justify his place in our starting eleven. He is the sort of player who will help a team avoid relegation but as you say not one to lift us into the top six.

Some fans think he can do a job deeper in midfield. He does not have enough pace or tackling ability to do that. Playing him there would further expose his limitations.

Trevor Peers
9 Posted 30/09/2019 at 12:21:55
Not a hard this one, Silva will be sacked by Christmas or before if we don't start scoring more goals. Why does Silva keep buying midfielder's who can't score. Gomes, Bernard now Gbamin all capable of adding 1 goal per season that's why he will lose his job. When you also have forwards who may only potentially be good enough in two years time, you have serious problems.

Sigurdsson does look sadly out of touch and Richarlison is also the same in front of goal. We need a manager who plays a different system to Silva's 4-2-3-1 which is proving disastrous this season. Anyone claiming we have a good squad of players is deluded, we have an expensive squad but most are average at best, as for producing youngster's it's a myth only Davies has come through recently and he can't hold down a regular place, he's just not good enough.

Dennis Stevens
10 Posted 30/09/2019 at 12:24:02
I do think our midfield is the key area that needs addressing as we seem to be regularly over-run there. There seems to be no balance with Sigurdsson in there. If fit, I'd have expected to see the three summer signings in there: Gbamin, Gomes & Delph. With Gbamin & Gomes out the obvious replacements would seem to be Schneiderlin & Davies, thereby maintaining much the same shape. However, if Silva prefers to sacrifice one of these three to accommodate a "No 10" then Sigurdsson isn't doing enough to warrant continued selection in the role & Iwobi should be given a chance there.

Interestingly, or perhaps not, Silva has started his 2nd season with 7 points from 7 matches. Koeman was sacked when his 2nd season had yielded just 8 points from 9 matches. Unsworth gained 7 points from just 5 matches, dragging us out of the relegation zone in the process, but it wasn't deemed sufficient to get him the gig - & he hadn't had a whole season & 3 transfer windows to prepare!

Brands will, no doubt, be keeping tabs on potential replacements for Silva. It is, after all, his job to do so. However, even if the Board decide that a change is necessary, it is likely that the actual sacking point may well be determined by the likely availability of a replacement of choice. Nonetheless, I'd have thought that it would be considered preferable to allow Silva time to turn things 'round, at least in the short term - managerial upheaval every other season cannot be considered in anyway desirable.

Andy Crooks
11 Posted 30/09/2019 at 12:45:22
Back in the days of the Moyes Out Brigade, I argued, well into the Moyes reign, that for the top money we paid, we could hire better. How about now?

I believe we could have had any of the following:

Rodgers
Benitez
Dyche
Howe.

Putting aside the red connection, would any of them offer more than Silva? Would anyone swap him for any of them?

Kevin Molloy
12 Posted 30/09/2019 at 13:04:29
Andy I'd swap Silva for Ted Rogers let alone Brendan. He's just not manager material. It seems to me manager is the key appointment, and it's about so much more than coaching. Peter Reid said he would have run through a brick wall for Howard, who of our squad would say that about Marco?
Iain Latchford
13 Posted 30/09/2019 at 13:23:27
Wenger for me. You only have to watch any of his interviews/punditry since he left Arsenal to see that he knows the game and the Premier League inside out. His level of experience compared to Silva is a world apart.

He's available and wants to get back into management. You have to strike whilst the iron is hot. Utd could have Klopp when he left Dortmund, but opted to stick with LVG when it was obvious to everyone it wasn't going to work. The RS then sacked Rodgers in the October and made their move. Now look at the two teams.

To not at least sound out Wenger (with someone younger working with him preferably) would be an absolute crime in my opinion. He'll end up somewhere soon enough then it'll be yet another what might have been for us.

Denis Richardson
14 Posted 30/09/2019 at 13:34:51
David 4 - its funny, whilst reading the main article and your post Arteta came to mind before you then mentioned him. It's been a long time since we had a truly creative midfielder who could dictate the game and spray clever passes about.
We spend so much money on relatively good players but lack that spark that gets people off their back sides.

Leicester have made a flying start this season, exactly the one I was hoping for us to make given our relatively easy start. They don't have a star studded line up but play as a real team with pace and aggression, things we seem to lack, and have lacked for a long time. Pellegrini also seems to be moving West Ham in the right direction and Bournemouth have started well. However, I really fancy Leicester for top 6 this season. Tielemans is quality, Ndidi is their Gueye and Vardy is well Vardy. Rogers is certainly getting the best out of them at the minute (read he's been in charge 18 league games since February and they've won 10 since he joined).

Form wise last 5 games, we're only better than Watford and Brighton. People saying Silva will have till the end of the season really need to reevaluate. If we don't get a win in the next 2-3 games then its the end. By then we will actually be in the relegation zone rather than just talking about its having lost to teams we're looking to finish ahead of.

Personally, if we lose to Burnley I think they'll start contacting people on the shortlist with a view to bringing someone in by the end of the month, regardless of the West Ham result after the international break. Silva for me has 1 game to save his job. The current run is abysmal given the playing squad we have.

Paul Hewitt
15 Posted 30/09/2019 at 13:35:14
Benitez for me. But then I would have anyone apart from Silva. The guys absolutely useless.
Sam Hoare
16 Posted 30/09/2019 at 13:41:53
Iain, Wenger is an interesting shout. One of the best managers of the PL era but he seemed to really lose his touch at Arsenal and presided over their decline from the unbeatables (a team he built in his pomp) to a pretty average outfit bordering on mid-table. Whilst always having quite a lot of money for transfers and wages.

Also would he want to come?

Who would want to come?! We continue to have an fans with top 5 aspirations despite the squad being maybe the 8th or 9th best in the league. It's something of a poisoned chalice as 5 managers in 4 years or so attests to.

I'd love the idea of Wenger and Arteta as a dream team but suspect it will remain as a dream. I reckon Silva will see out this season and we will be better once Gomes and Gbamin come back and we buy a quick CB in January; we will limp to 9th-11th and Brands will have a big decision to make next summer.

John Boswell
17 Posted 30/09/2019 at 13:46:02
I am guessing that anyone pushing for Wenger is looking to 1) steady the team and begin to make progress and 2) prepare our next coach.
So who would we like, Arteta, Cahill, Neville, A N Other?
Iain Latchford
18 Posted 30/09/2019 at 13:59:16
Sam, between 1996 & 2018 Wenger finished outside of the top for on three occasions (twice 5th and once 6th). They were runners up as recently as 2016. He won the league three times, and seven FA cups, including, 2014, 2015 & 2017.

He did have money but not the amounts thrown at the likes of Chelsea, Utd, City and the RS, and still competed with them all for two decades.

Yes, things went a bit off the boil towards the end., but nothing lasts forever. His record speaks for itself. I'd be pretty confident he would do a far better job than Silva.

Would he come? I don't know, but with Moshiri's previous connections to Arsenal (he must know him well) I think we could have a good go at getting him.

Rob Halligan
19 Posted 30/09/2019 at 14:07:36
For what it's worth, my next door neighbour, who has several ITK's, has told me that Wenger will be appointed the next Everton manager, due to Moshiri having strong connections with him. Hope there's a better reason than just knowing Wenger though?
Kevin Molloy
20 Posted 30/09/2019 at 14:20:55
The Wenger links seem surprising, given that he was very much Stan's man, that he would also be on excellent terms with the guys trying to force him out of the club.
Iain Latchford
21 Posted 30/09/2019 at 14:26:36
Kevin, how do you know Moshiri and Usmanov were trying to force Wenger out? I was always under the impression they wanted to be able to give him more money to compete with the other big spenders, but couldn't due to Kroenke refusing to relinquish any power. Hence Moshiri bailing out in favour of Everton.
Kevin Molloy
22 Posted 30/09/2019 at 14:33:35
No, I meant they were trying to force Stan out. With such a daggers drawn scenario it seems a dangerous game for Wenger to be on friendly terms with the trouble-causers as Stan would see it.
Iain Latchford
23 Posted 30/09/2019 at 14:47:25
With you Kevin. I always thought that Usmanov and Moshiri just wanted a bigger piece of the pie, and were willing to invest heavily into the team in return. I didn't think they were trying to force Kroenke completely out. I could be wrong though.

No one really knows what type of relationship Moshiri has with Wenger. They could hate each other for all I know. Although I've never heard anything to suggest that.

Andrew Keatley
24 Posted 30/09/2019 at 14:53:37
I think Silva has targeted elegant, upright, ball-playing midfielders – Gomes, Gbamin, Delph, Iwobi – but we need a few scurriers; players with a bit of urgency and directness. Sometimes those players are not as immediately eye-catching, but they tend to affect games through exertion, energy and effort.

An example would be John McGinn from Aston Villa; someone who has a great engine, regularly gets into the opposition box, and will happily shoot on sight. Finding players who fit the bill will be hard, but they might be from the less fashionable footballing clubs and might not be the most exciting signings on initial assessment. Unearthing players with that sort of energy and quality – particularly in central midfield – would make us much more dynamic.

John Pierce
25 Posted 30/09/2019 at 15:25:20
I’ve been lukewarm about are last three permanent managers, Allardyce, has been scrubbed from the data banks.

The reason? They have no real league pedigree in this country. Two of three have been relegated and no matter what, there is a stigma attached to it.

The money spent on getting a manager is as important as a player. For me the next guy, who cannot come soon enough needs to have a very good record.

We need to stop thinking we can get the next up and coming chap and snap him up on the rise.

Moyes, Martinez, & Silva have all fitted that description.

Wenger, Benitez & Mourinho are candidates I believe we could attract. Yes we would have to spend as much as on a player to get them because the salary has to reflect the risk of managing us.

Personally I think Benitez would jump at the chance regardless of money he gets in China.

I understand that all three are perhaps past their peak buts that’s the market we shop in and we have never appointed a proven manager in our history.

Time to change our approach.

Jay Harris
26 Posted 30/09/2019 at 15:38:41
Very difficult one this.

Positives
We have a very talented squad
The players all seem to rate Silva highly
We ended last season very well

Negatives
The squad may be talented but the team selection and tactics are suspect
We do not have much goalscoring ability throughout the squad
Bill Kenwright still has far too much say in the running of the club
There does not appear to be synergy within the coaching staff
The organization within the club is a shambles

Plausible excuses (For Silva)
We did not have all the playing squad available for preseason
We did not get a prolific goalscorer or a goalscoring MF player
We did not get Zouma or equivalent
We have not had Gbamin nor Gomes available due to injury
Silva lost his other half who was replaced by Boamorte

Conclusion
Can and must do better From the board and Brands through to Silva and the coaching staff.
Change the tactics to suit the players
Give some of the younger players a chance like Gordon or Adiran

Options

Change the manager and ALL the coaching staff
Bring in a senior man like Wenger between Silva and Brands
Revolutionize the whole setup and bring in Arteta and Cahill
Sort out the missing links in the JAnuary window and give Silva to the end of the season.

Iain Latchford
27 Posted 30/09/2019 at 15:49:13
If Arteta is lined up for the Man City job in a couple of years, I can't see him jumping ship for Everton.

I don't think Silva would want Wenger looking over his shoulder, nor do I think Wenger would want to. I think if it's his last job he'd want to be in the hot seat.

Comparing both records I'd go for Wenger over Benitez.

David Pearl
28 Posted 30/09/2019 at 16:06:32
Jay,

l agree with a lot of what you've said but why bring in Kenwright? I think he's done a good job and did, eventually do what he said he'd do. Not so long ago there wasn't so much money around the game, which is why we got Marcus Bent in after losing Rooney. Force of habit hey...

I don't blame the players, they all seem to put in the effort. Pickford needs to stay focussed but when he does make a mistake he shouldn't be seen laughing at himself.

We shouldn't be seeing Walcott, Richarlison in our box. Silva is scared to change things because it all seemed to click into place at the tail end of last season. With virtually the same players we expected to fly this season with a few additions.

The balance needs to be addressed. He changed things a little bit against Man City and once we got over initial nerves looked okay. Schneiderlin and Delph played closer to each other and looked better for it, and the players knew their roles.

I think we should go for Kenny Dalglish, he's available, with Kelly as his assistant and bring back Sammy Lee, oh and a spot of course for Phil mofo Thompson. Benitez my arse.

Jay Harris
29 Posted 30/09/2019 at 16:17:03
David,

I associate Kenwright with Mediocrity and deceit with an ego that is way beyond his capabilities who has also not put a penny of his own money into the club despite making millions out of his position and tenure.

He interferes with the football side of the club far too much which is why Lukaku was allowed to go and replaced by a shagged out Rooney on £150k a week and other ex-Blues are retained in advisory capacities.

We know from the RS and Man Utd how disruptive and counter-productive it is to have ex-players from previous regimes undermining the "new" management.

That and many other reasons why I do not want Kenwright to have any influence over the club for the future.

Eddie Dunn
30 Posted 30/09/2019 at 16:19:16
We have plenty of pace up the park: Calvert-Lewin, Iwobi, Richarlison, Walcott, Bernard, Digne and Keane.

The possession-based stuff nullifies this pace and our ponderous build-up play is predictable.

It's down to the coach. Unsworth could do a better job.

Sam Hoare
31 Posted 30/09/2019 at 16:21:48
John@25, its true. Martinez, Koeman and Silva were all 'up and coming' managers to varying degrees. And all failed to varying degrees.

I would always veer towards a younger manager with the potential to really form a legacy as we have seen with Pochetinno at Spurs and to some extent Klopp at Liverpool (though he had already had a lot of success). But it may be time to admit that up-and-coming is not working at Everton.

I've been a big advocate of Silva but I'm struggling currently. I do think there are mitigating factors (Brands left him an unbalanced squad this summer with not enough mobility in the middle) but, if either Wenger or even Benitez (don't care about his history so long as he improves us) were coming in for a few years, part of me would be relieved. Allegri is another experienced option who's won a fair few things and obviously there's Mourinho which would be interesting though I fear destructive too.

Don Alexander
32 Posted 30/09/2019 at 16:29:47
The club is infested with decades-long inertia in being seen world-wide as viable in terms of trophy winning, so hats off to Kenwright and his supporters for that.

In my opinion every agent on the planet sees us as being "the best of the rest" for their client player and themselves. No other "loser" club pays the sort of salaries we do or allow them to run so long. I can't think of any other club at all that would have extended and improved Mirallas' contract either.

What's way worse is that all but the very young signings we make seem to realise the scam they're involved in and seem content to merely "coin it" for as long as possible, unless we're versus a top four club, sometimes. Youngsters with fight and drive (Kenny/Lookman anyone?) go elsewhere and flourish more or less from the get-go (and, for any pedants, I haven't included Lookman's current move).

How one manager changes this with so many still involved in the club during every previous failed playing regime is beyond me and, so it seems, Farhad Moshiri.

Supporting this club sucks the optimism out of you.

John Pierce
33 Posted 30/09/2019 at 16:40:42
Sam, I get the idealism and freshness of a young up and coming manager. If it comes off, it’s spectacular. Romantically of course that’s what I’d want.

But it’s not getting us any traction, if anything stagnation is going backwards.

I think we have to admit, that route was partly based on hope, our chronic financial situation and a lack of ambition.

I think Benitez would be most approachable, but Allegri would be interesting too, it’s a good suggestion. I’ll polish up on his CV! The absence of premier league understanding could make it a bumpy ride though.

I’m astonished over the last decade or so how extremely good managers get tempted to clubs way below their league. The reason? $$$. Time to splash the cash.


Sam Hoare
35 Posted 30/09/2019 at 17:07:24
John@33, Marcelino could be another interesting option. Not won that much but did great work at Valencia and Villareal. Another manager though whose not left Spain. Truth is when you look at the candidates there aren't that many appealing, available ones. One of the reasons I suspect Silva will get till December at least unless things really go south.

Don@34; not sure I'd describe Lookman as a youngster with fight and drive! He's talented for sure but never seemed to work hard enough for a place in Silva's team. If he worked as hard as Richarlison defensively i'm sure he'd have got more chances.

Fran Mitchell
36 Posted 30/09/2019 at 17:22:13
In terms of available managers: Marcelino, formerly of Valencia. Rudy Garcia, formerly of Marseille. Laurent Blanc, formerly of PSG. That is 3, currently unattached managers, all with experience and relative success at the top level.

Whether any are the world class manager we dream of, I doubt, but certainly better than Silva.

Then there are wild cards currently in jobs - Bielsa, Howe, Vieira - all highly regarded, all with pros and cons.

Then there are the untested but highly regarded - the likes of Arteta - big punts but hey, who knows.

One thing for sure, the best we will get from Silva is stagnation. Nothing to lose.

Peter Warren
37 Posted 30/09/2019 at 17:28:35
Mourinho, Wenger, Benitez in that order for me.
Andrew Dempsey
38 Posted 30/09/2019 at 17:39:53
These players are more than good enough. It’s the entire rest of the club that needs restructuring and starting again, as Don (32) & (34) puts it.

I want a coach who plays the way Klopp does, with a converted midfielder as his centre-forward/false no.9.
Silva’s system is stale and rigid, predictable, as many have said.
Someone else (quite a few people actually) also rightly pointed out there’s not enough energy in midfield, and I agree, John McGinn from Villa would be a great signing.
Bernard could play this false 9 role, with M. Kean and Richarlison in the Mane/Salah positions.
At the base of midfield, Gbamin would seem the natural fit in this position, but as he’s injured for a bit, Gomes could play there as the deep lying playmaker, with Delph and Davies as the shuttle-runners ahead of him. These two players could also cover the full backs when they attack, also allowing the FB’s to get forward more often.

This is all pointless and fanciful stuff, but the point I’m making is the players are there to implement a more progressive, energetic and dynamic way of playing.
I think Silva has been unlucky with the injury of Gbamin, but on the other hand, at almost a fifth of the way into his second season, it’s clear that he’s not the innovative and inspiring coach that many hoped he would be.

I think his brand of football has seemed (last season) more exciting than it actually is because of the dross that came before him.
His time is running out.

David Pearl
39 Posted 30/09/2019 at 17:43:38
Jay,
I don’t know why it is then that anyone close to the club only has good things to say about him.

I’m also in the minority in thinking we got rid of Rooney II too soon. He was top scorer again in a twisted team. I still have nightmares thinking of that season, Rooney hat trick probably the highlight. Lukaku was desperate to leave and the instruction from Koeman was to replace one scorer with having more ‘productivity’ from other areas of the pitch. And we are still trying to find our balance again.

The RS went through many successful years of keeping it in the family. I don’t want any Everton manager to fail, and that included ‘he who shall not be named.’

Going forward l don’t see how Silva will survive unless he does his NVQ 2 in football tactics.

Tony Twist
40 Posted 30/09/2019 at 18:07:14
Isn't Marcello Allegri available?

I don't think Silva can get any better to be honest. Whether it is him, the players or him being unable to motivate the players, there is a laziness about this side. Again at the weekend, for Man City's first goal, a defender does the lazy thing by trying to play offside, ten yards from his own goal line, rather than trying to head the ball away from De Bruyne's cross.

Also, players thinking that getting behind the ball is good enough and letting crosses come in rather than pressing and making the opposition rush their cross. It's schoolboy defending, these clowns are supposed to be professional.

Tom Bowers
41 Posted 30/09/2019 at 18:09:47
Everton have been in the doldrums for far too many years but in the last few seasons they have been totally mismanaged from top to bottom.

Some class players have been let go and many sub-standard players have come in and are still here.

Yes, I agree with most of the fans that Silva is floundering and that a new man has to be found sooner than later.

Not being able to field what could be his strongest starting eleven, that is with Gomes and Gbamin, has probably not helped his cause and by the time they are fit and available it may be too late for him especially with a reverse in the next Premier League game.

Moshiri has the job of dealing with this now before we end up in the bottom three.

John Pierce
42 Posted 30/09/2019 at 18:59:15
Sam, I think Marcelino would be great if we were appointing an up-and-coming guy, you note his relative success is from inside Spain. I definitely think premier league pedigree is right up there with the requirements of a new guy.

I'd worry if the hierarchy doesn't remove a drowning Silva until December. The season can be saved now, December is a brutal month, with game after game; this year it looks extremely testing. The international break is a good spot, if there is such a thing, to dump your manager.

The thing is, for Silva to really turn it around, he has to realistically win 4 from the next 5 and not go into any type of slump for the remainder of the season. Can you honestly see that happening based on his record to date?

Having said all that, I'm pretty desperate for a change so maybe Marcelino after all! 😣

Eddie Dunn
43 Posted 30/09/2019 at 19:16:26
Steve & Dave, on the subject of Sigurdsson.

I saw a fair bit of him when he was with my local side Swansea and he was often in a struggling side but didn't let it stop him from industrious midfield /wing work and lots of good deliveries from open play as well as his customary dead ball work. The problem is, the lad was a few years younger then...

Last season he had a bad injury and came back too fast and hasn't looked as mobile since. With Gana in the side, he had less work to do, and with Schniederlin strolling around, the onus has been on him to do more.

I don't know what Silva is expecting of him, but he appears to be under orders to get up to support the striker but, with Delph and Schneiderlin left to cope, and our wing-backs pushed up, he leaves a massive space behind him.

I think we can only accommodate him with Delph and Davies.

Dave Williams
44 Posted 30/09/2019 at 19:25:15
I'd agree with that Eddie, his only chance is if the others do his running for him and as Silva won't play Tom it ain't going to happen.

As I said before, he is a good footballer but we must stop trying to field him at all costs because he just doesn't fit.

Rob Dolby
45 Posted 30/09/2019 at 19:37:02
Silva has brought this on himself. Not buying an established centre-forward will cost him his job.

The bonus in sacking Silva is that the choice of manager will be with Brands and not Moshiri or Kenwright.

The top 2 at the moment are light years ahead of the rest of the prem managers. That technical nous and man-management makes a massive difference.

Mourinho left United then they win 14 on the bounce. The same players are now struggling under Solskjaer as he cannot motivate them.

In an ideal world I would have Simeone. You feel that his players give their all for him.

I wouldn't be averse to seeing Arteta, Unsworth, Big Dunc or even Rooney given the job. We need to see some passion and enthusiasm in victory and hurt and wounded pride in defeats – not just a shrug of the shoulders.

Trevor Peers
46 Posted 30/09/2019 at 19:46:21
Dave, are you be a Cardiff fan?
Sam Hoare
47 Posted 30/09/2019 at 19:46:31
John @42, I don't think he has to win 4 of the next 5. So long as we stay clear of the relegation zone I suspect Brands will give him to Xmas. At the least.

I could see us beating Burnley and West Ham and being 10th. I could also see us losing both and being 18th! Hard to call at the moment but I'm pretty sure Brands will want to give him as long as possible.

Mike Doyle
48 Posted 30/09/2019 at 19:49:08
Rob #19,

Can your neighbour provide some idea on timescale for Mr Wenger's appointment? It would be good to have something positive to look forward to.

Joe McMahon
49 Posted 30/09/2019 at 20:02:00
Rob @45, Big Dunc, really? And again Unsworth, why? Unsworth why have only Oxford United approached him? IMO, we really need to move on from the old boys in Blue network.

The one I would want is Arteta as, since leaving Everton, he's played in the Champions League, won a couple of trophies and of course he's Pep Guardiola's assistant and has experience working with the best players in Europe. This is a step up from Ferguson, Jeffers, Unsworth, Stubbs et al. The downside is would he come back to Everton now, who have been left behind?

Dave Williams
50 Posted 30/09/2019 at 20:30:59
Trevor, Cardiff???
Why do you ask?

No I'm not though a good mate worked at the club for a few years.

Trevor Peers
51 Posted 30/09/2019 at 20:43:01
Dave, it's just your suggestion poor old Siggy shouldn't be allowed to play for the blues. I thought it might've been a Swansea - Cardiff thing?
James Hughes
52 Posted 30/09/2019 at 21:00:15
Fran #36 It would have to be Garcia for me, as we all know Rudy can't fail taxiiiii
Dave Williams
53 Posted 30/09/2019 at 21:05:21
Trevor,

I see where you're coming from but it is purely an unbiased view of the player. It's a shame because his goal v Leicester was one of the best Everton goals I have ever seen but he just doesn't fit, as far as I am concerned.

Trevor Peers
54 Posted 30/09/2019 at 21:17:56
His goals have dried up, Dave. Maybe he's feeling the pace he got married in the summer after all.
Clive Rogers
55 Posted 30/09/2019 at 21:26:41
“Best of the rest”. Don't think so, we are two points off the relegation places with a difficult game against Burnley next. Clubs like Leicester, West Ham and even Bournemouth are way above us. Also, everybody seems to have a billionaire backer nowadays. We are not unique in that respect.
Dave Williams
56 Posted 30/09/2019 at 21:27:28
Trevor,

Catterick always maintained that a player suffered a dip in form after getting married. Strangely enough, Morgan Schniederlin got married in the summer after his excellent debut season for us and has never been the same since!

Chris Hockenhull
57 Posted 30/09/2019 at 21:36:42
#11 Oh sweet Jesus – Howe and Dyche apostles raise their heads again. Those two are right certainties to be driven in on Uncle Cyril's handlebars if Uncle Bill has his say... Lord forbid could you ever see the so-called “Top 6” lot's fans welcoming those two??????
Trevor Powell
58 Posted 30/09/2019 at 21:37:40
Well, Silva is now favourite to be next Premier League to get his marching order @ 5/4, followed by Solskjaer @ 6/1 and Pochettino @ 10/1.

Commentary from https://bookmakers.co.uk/news/betting-preview/next-manager-to-get-sacked-odds

Marco Silva was given a bye by the Everton supporters during his first season in charge, with the fans a relatively patient bunch who were glad to see the back of Sam Allardyce. However, the Toffees are currently going backwards during the 2018-19 campaign and that's reflected in the latest Sack Race betting.

How long does Silva have to get things right? Owner Farhad Moshiri must have outlined his ambition for Everton to secure a top-six spot at the start of the season although it's hard to argue that the team are currently candidates for a European place based on their current performances and results.

The Toffees look especially lacklustre on the road where they have collected just a point from trips to Crystal Palace, Aston Villa and Bournemouth, with the club heading for mid-table mediocrity under Silva and the supporters will clearly feel that this isn't good enough for an outfit of their standing.

Denis Richardson
59 Posted 30/09/2019 at 21:47:25
Allegri would certainly be interesting although not sure if he speaks English. Anyone know?

Personally I think Bernitez would be a great shout but not sure the club has the balls to appoint him. He’d presumably only come if he could run the show his way. I’ve wanted Benitez since Martinez left. Seems such an obvious choice yet there’s never even been any rumours. I’m sure he’d leave China in a heartbeat.

Stan Schofield
60 Posted 30/09/2019 at 21:52:02
Dear me, some posts putting out the tired old comparisons with Liverpool and Spurs. The former were winning nothing with Klopp until £140M (probably equivalent to over £200M now) was forked out on two top players, Allison and Van Dijk. Spurs have won nothing, and still look like winning nothing.

We don't spend on top players, we spend on good players. Until we can attract top players, by being willing to spend to get them, it's always likely to be a struggle.

Now, spending on top players does not guarantee success. But it is clear that spending on top players is a necessary (if not sufficient) condition for sustained success.

We can change manager if we like, and we might get some improvement from it, but we're unlikely to get to the top with it unless we attract top players, which includes keeping top players in their prime, rather than being a consistent feeder club for the top clubs.

Anything other than this is like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

Tony Hill
61 Posted 30/09/2019 at 21:57:15
Why don't we just wait and see what happens over the next few games, at least, before we start picking names out of a hat?
Peter Laing
62 Posted 30/09/2019 at 22:02:08
The Burnley game is monumental for Silva. Lose the game then it's four league games on the spin and officially a crisis and relegation form. Managers are judged on performance and, with the international break, Brands & Moshiri may decide that the time is right to cut Silva loose.
Tony Abrahams
63 Posted 30/09/2019 at 22:03:17
I wonder if Silva goes, will our first team coach remain once again?
Andy Crooks
64 Posted 30/09/2019 at 22:31:57
Duncan Ferguson as coach? The common denominator in years of shit. Good God, no. Let's get a coach who will make booting him out his first step.
Brian Murray
65 Posted 01/10/2019 at 00:35:28
We couldn't stoop much lower than fat Sam but the kopite waiter is a new level. Really need winners or at least capable coaches and boardroom members who are qualified to be in their position. No more lazy or emotional appointments. Common denominater but that's another story!!
Rob Dolby
66 Posted 01/10/2019 at 01:22:23
Andy @64,

Not sure most Evertonians would entertain either Rogers or Benitez for obvious reasons.

Blaming Ferguson for years of mismanagement and mediocrity is a bit weird.

It's a good job we don't get to pick the new manager we would be more trigger happy than the Watford owners.

Justin Doone
67 Posted 01/10/2019 at 02:22:03
Rodgers wouldn't come because he's at a club that suits him. A youthful, hard working set of players that have pace, energy and skill.

They play to their strengths which fits Rodgers game plan and he's quickly got them playing how he wants them too just as he did at Celtic, Liverpool and Swansea.

Benitez is a little more old school but similar in terms of setting up defensively and playing counter attacking football. He did a good job at Newcastle in difficult circumstances and I give him more credit for staying with them when relegated and winning promotion the following season.

Something I don't think Silva would or could do.

Do I want either to manage Everton, no.
Are they better managers than Silva, yes.
Did I want Silva as manager, no.
Would I get over the appointment of an ex-red, yes.

In short I want what's best for Evertons short and long term future. It's about building momentum, season after season. I'm happy to stick with and support Silva whilst acknowledging we will need better at some point.

Joe McMahon
68 Posted 01/10/2019 at 08:18:01
Rob, I'm sure some Evertonians can move on and think what's best for the club also, is that why we are labelled Bitter Blues? I don't like going back years, but I'm sure Man Utd fans didn't mind ex-City player Matt Busby as manager.
John Keating
70 Posted 01/10/2019 at 08:44:31
I don't know what will happen with Silva in the coming weeks or months, that will be a top level decision in which we have no say or control.

However what I will say is that senior management will see supporters reaction at games and I have no doubt this may well have some influence.

Outwith ToffeeWeb, there is no doubt Silva is losing support of the matchday fans at Goodison. They sounded their displeasure at the Sheffield Utd game and by the final whistle on Saturday it was like a ghost town, most had left.

We do not have to spend zillions on the best players in the world in order to improve. Neymar, Messi and Ronaldo would struggle here and no doubt not make a blind bit of difference to us at present.

The only person that can improve us at present is Silva himself. He has had more than enough time to see that the players presently at his disposal cannot play the system he wants. The system only he sees working, whatever that system is?

He is trying to fit square pegs in round holes and unless he changes his mindset things will drift along and he'll be back at Watford.

Sam Hoare
71 Posted 01/10/2019 at 09:20:07
What about Pochettino? If things continue to plateau at Spurs it's possible he'd get the boot by end of the season. Would you take him? Not that he'd want to come but I'd have him in a heartbeat if available. Similar to Silva in some ways but more tactical flexibility and though he's not won much he's taken Spurs from 6th-ish to top 3 and Champions League finalists. Pretty sure we'd all be happy at that!

No doubt he'd have Champions League team offers but perhaps we can offer nearer the sort of wages he'd want.

John Keating
72 Posted 01/10/2019 at 10:31:38
Sam,

I think the likes of Pochettino and that standard of manager will, quite rightly, expect a long term contract and lots of money to spend on their players.

I would imagine even Moshiri is getting pissed off at the spending his managers have so far spent or absolutely no return or general improvement on form and league position.

I would imagine whoever comes next, whenever that might be, will be instructed to work with, and improve, the present squad and to work on a reduced budget.

In general, so far Silva has significantly failed overall, to improve either the team or individuals. The so-called magic he is supposed to work at Finch Farm is, unfortunately, not being reproduced on matchdays.

Sam Hoare
73 Posted 01/10/2019 at 10:40:15
John, yes Poch would probably want at least some money spent on transfers though I think he sees himself as a coach first and foremost. If he were fired by Spurs it would depend if he wanted to stay in the Premier League, probably not but if so we could be his best bet.

I think Silva has improved some individuals; that was pretty evident with the likes of Keane and Zouma last year. Calvert-Lewin has got better and Richarlison too. I'd say Pickford has improved too, mentally at least. But as a team, something does indeed seem to be missing. I think recruitment deserves a part of the blame as we clearly lack mobility in the centre. If we had got Tomori and Doucoure; as was presumable requested by Silva as both were bid for, then I think we'd be doing better.

We've also not had great luck. I saw an interesting stat that said we were the second unluckiest team in the league in terms of when comparing actual goals with the shots/chances that you'd expect to become goals. Guess who the luckiest was?!

It's definitely not been good enough but I do feel there are some slightly mitigating factors.

Rob Dolby
74 Posted 01/10/2019 at 11:34:28
Joe 68.

I am sure that, in hindsight, Man Utd fans were delighted with appointing a young ambitious manager after WW2.

Appointing Benitez who is off chasing the cash in China would be a bigger kick in the teeth than the appointment of big Sam.

Rogers is miles away from Pep or Klopp so why appoint him.

If that sounds bitter then fine.

Iain Latchford
75 Posted 01/10/2019 at 11:55:39
Surely no one can be suggesting Rodgers would leave Leicester for Everton? That's not going to happen. Poch wouldn't come, and I doubt Mourinho would either.

Is there an available manager with better credentials than this :

FA Premier League (3): 1997–98, 2001–02, 2003–04
FA Cup (7): 1997–98, 2001–02, 2002–03, 2004–05, 2013–14, 2014-15, 2016-17
FA Community Shield (5): 1998, 1999, 2002, 2004, 2014, 2015

The above doesn't include finals, semi finals, runners up, top 4 finishes etc Plus he beat his local rivals 20 times during his tenure.

Kevin Molloy
76 Posted 01/10/2019 at 12:28:00
One thing I do know with absolute certainty: We ain't getting Poch.
Brian Harrison
77 Posted 01/10/2019 at 12:54:12
Kevin

Exactly – there is absolutely no chance of Pochettino coming to Everton. I read the book that Guillem Balague wrote about Pochettino, a fascinating insight into how he works. I think if he leaves Spurs it will be for a top club, who knows... maybe even Real Madrid.

As for our options, I am afraid we have to look way down the pecking order from Pochettino or Mourhino. If you remember the options that were mooted before we signed Silva, Frank De Boer was being touted as a choice, he lasted 10 weeks at Crystal Palace – I think we dodged a bullet there.

So who realistically would be in the frame sadly the same candidates that were also being mentioned last time Howe and Dyce, I wouldn't want either. As Everton have proved over the decades, it's very easy to sack a manager but a lot harder appointing the right man to replace him; our track record of late in choosing managers leaves a lot to be desired.

Tony Abrahams
78 Posted 01/10/2019 at 13:13:17
Rob @66, I find it a lot more weird that Duncan Ferguson has remained a first-team coach at Everton, through Martinez, Koeman, Allardyce and Silva, especially in the cut-throat world that is professional football.
David Pearl
79 Posted 01/10/2019 at 13:28:31
Even if Silva turns things around we have lost too much ground already this season. Its fucking embarrassing. With the players we have and
the outlay we should NOT be in the bottom half of the table.

There was talk and rightly so of a change in the top 6. Who could challenge, Leicester... maybe West Ham? Given how we finished and more money spent then surely it would be us?

Painfully obvious from our pre season things were not right. This was all on the back of a run that saw us best top 6 teams and have one of the better defensive units around. A run that saw us pick up more points than any other team (bar 2).

Silva tried to include the new players too early for me. Most of the fans calling for kean to start then moaned that we should of played dcl. Why wouldn't we stick to the team that had the momentum from last season and introduce the changes slowly? However even in pre season he couldn't and wouldn't make the obvious tweaks to correct things. He is like a deer in headlight... hasn't got a clue.

The only thing separating from the top 4 was goals. So we go out and buy a 19 year old with pinball flippers for legs. Wheres the ball going to go when it hits him, god might know but l don't. I know he will improve and could be a bargain but ultimately we had something real to build on from last season so we should of bought wanting success now as well as the future. We were linked with Costa in the summer and amazingly he wasn't good enough for a lot on here. Unreal.

I wanted Gomes because he offers something different from what we have but what we really need is to get the best out of Sigurdsson or find another player capable of the kind of passes De Bruyne can do... or me for that matter. We have De Davies but he needs to play. FFS why isn't he out on loan. Wtf is going on. He isn't ready, he needs to play.

So if we keep Silva what happens... Another £150m outlay next summer and then wonder what kind of start we will have again? I don't feel as though Moshiri will get rid of Silva any time soon unless he is left with no choice. If the right person if available now then he should make his move to not only save our season but try to achieve our goals NOW. Not next year. Now.

I want a manager with some style. A manager that can change things if its not working. I've had enough of this shit. Only starting to play against City once we conceded., its as though they wanted it so they could play with freedom l don't get it.

Any time a new manager comes in l look for the system, watch the movement of the players etc. I knew game 1 koeman was shit. We went from Martinez to Koeman completely different styles.
Stupid mistake.

Watching Silvas team l thought okay something to work with its has potential. Well thats gone now. He is out of ideas. And I'm out of milk... tantrum over

Kieran Kinsella
80 Posted 01/10/2019 at 13:31:52
I’m just waiting for us to hire some bag pipers after all that quasi “Scotland the brave” patronizing crap about effort and optimism after we heavily lost on Saturday. We are the Scotland of the EPL. Our so called heroes raise their game during valiant losses to good teams then lose to the Faroes. Just a load of crap
Steve Ferns
81 Posted 01/10/2019 at 13:48:01
Thing with Silva is he has shown he is streaky. Once he gets one win, he will get 5, or go unbeaten for a long period. If we can bounce back like that, things turn around very quickly. That is what I expect to happen.

I also think we will land Zouma in January, and then Silva will be looking for something extra in attack. He knows something's not right, and he will want a player to fix that in January. I expect Brands to already have sorted something out on that front. I'm thinking more along the lines of a Zaha type player.

I do not believe we signed Iwobi instead of Zaha, which is how it's all read now. Silva explicitly said that Iwobi was as well as Zaha. I think he likes his versatility but sees him as backup for Sigurdsson, and so wants a left footed right winger still (even though that's not quite Zaha).

Sam Hoare
82 Posted 01/10/2019 at 13:54:06
David @79, "Why wouldn't we stick to the team that had the momentum from last season and introduce the changes slowly?"

We couldn't. We lost Zouma and Gueye. The latter especially is so far proving himself to potentially be one of the best defensive midfielders in the world at PSG. And to think there were people who used to say he can't be that good coz no top 6 team want him!

First 3 games of the season, we played exactly the same team and formation as used during our good run last season, except for Gueye and Zouma, so I'm not sure you can accuse him of mixing it up too much. If anything, he has not changed things enough.

Main issue is not replacing Zouma and Gueye. Gbamin getting injured was unfortunate and not getting a more mobile centre-back surely is down to Brands more than Silva.

Denis Richardson
83 Posted 01/10/2019 at 14:35:22
Brian 65 - you say we shouldn't touch Benitez and then say we need winners.

The guy's won pretty much every trophy going. CL x1, La Liga x2, EL x2, FA Cup, Italian domestic cups x3 and a few others - so about 10 major trophies having managed the likes of Real, Inter, Valencia, Chelsea, Napoli etc.

We haven't had a manager in about 25 years who could lay a glove on that CV. Had the guy not managed Liverpool I'm sure you'd have him in the dug out no questions asked. Are your blue shades not clouding your (and a few others) judgement here?

He left Liverpool in 2010, so nearly a decade ago. I'd hope fans can get over it given how long ago that was.

The only niggle would be if he still had the fire in him as most of his major trophies were a few years ago. However, he's still a damn sight better than Silva.

Iain Latchford
84 Posted 01/10/2019 at 14:53:10
Have I mentioned Wenger?

In all seriousness, I think his record beats Benitez's. Rafa is clearly a decent manager, but do we really want more shit from RS fans?? It's bad enough as it is.

Steve Ferns
85 Posted 01/10/2019 at 14:53:55
Just noted someone finally mentioned Allegri. It's about time. Can we have an end to the tired old Premier League failures as alternatives?

As for Max Allegri, he lives in London now. He's won the last 5 Serie A titles, another with AC Milan, 4 Italian Cups, and got to 2 Champions League finals.

He resigned fearing he had done all he could and under the belief there would be a queue to his door. He flirted with Arsenal but they went with Emery. Arsenal might be back in for him soon, Man Utd are likely to go for a big name foreign manager now a "get's the club" guy has been tried and failed spectacularly, so they are a possibility for him to.

Allegri is in London learning English for a reason. Moshiri could persuade him with a really big pile of cash. Though, I doubt Moise Kean will be very happy to see his old manager, Brands would not be happy with a guy who loves old players, and the youth team may as well be shut down. The guy plays boring football, which is why Juve went for Sarri. But he is undeniably effective. Well with the best team in the league by a mile. He's the guy who replaced Conte who had established them as the best team in Italy. Winning 5 in a row is not easy though.

He has done it with smaller clubs before though. In particular he's the one that started the Sassuolo ball rolling and the one who did wonders with that horrible club Cagliari, the racist Sardinians.

Iain Latchford
86 Posted 01/10/2019 at 15:13:39
You're right, Steve, why would I want a tired old manager who in the last 6 years has finished runner up in the Premier League and won 3 FA Cups (with a side in decline according to pretty much everyone). Don't know what I was thinking.
Sam Hoare
87 Posted 01/10/2019 at 15:18:53
Iain @84; I'd be aboard the Wenger train! I'm not sure his record is better than Benitez's; certainly less varied, but at least he plays a more attractive variety of football. Plus he gives youth a good chance (arguably too much!)
Steve Ferns
88 Posted 01/10/2019 at 15:24:34
Iain, the guy is 69 years old. Do you really think he's going to be a full time manager again? How long would he manage us for? Has he got the energy and commitment to be the Arsene Wenger you think he is? All the Arsenal fans I know, and I do know a few, all considered him finished 5 years ago.

The next Everton manager, if we do need to change right now, and I disagree that we do, needs to be exactly what Silva is supposed to be. Young, hungry, hard-working, full of innovative ideas, ahead of the game, and looking to build something over a period of 5 years.

As I always say, the next manager should always be asked as the very first question, "tell me how you will win Everton the league". If he doesn't have an answer, then he's not your man. I can accept 8th or even a little bit lower as long as there is a plan to take us to first, and progression can be seen.

How would Wenger win us the league? He wouldn't. Wenger was great at signing young French lads, does he still have the contacts? From what I understand the signings of his first 10 years where players he knew and he found, whereas the last 10 years he relied on others and so he didn't find another Pires, Henry, Veira or Anelka. He also doesn't coach the way he used to, being less hands on, so players stopped developing the same way.

Wenger lost his touch, lost his way, and he was right to retire. He should be remembered for revolutionizing the English game.

David Pearl
89 Posted 01/10/2019 at 15:29:59
Sam, we played games without Zouma and Gana and won, played well. So what's changed?

Same tactics as last season, we have got a few new players in but Silva doesn't yet know how to play them. We shouldn't be rebuilding every summer. He's had 3 windows and for me he is out of excuses.

As Steve has said, Silva is streaky. We can't afford streaky. We can't go on a run and just fail again, bring in new players and the same cycle. Man Utd, Arsenal are really poor. Silva had 2 banks of 4 last Saturday. Wasn't bad, showed promise but the players lacked belief. Why is that?

West Ham and Leicester have quietly put together good teams... but in my opinion we are better on paper. We need a manager that can make this team flow naturally. Richarlison out wide, or Walcott chasing back tackling. No wonder we can't score goals – we are not in the correct positions to do so.

Steve Ferns
90 Posted 01/10/2019 at 15:33:23
David, we watched different games. The one I saw ended up with the Manchester City goalkeeper getting Man of the Match for the saves he made from players getting those chances you didn't think they were in position to get.
Iain Latchford
91 Posted 01/10/2019 at 15:34:18
Steve, I've said from the start I'd put someone with Wenger, in the same way City have done with Arteta. They know Pep will move on and are planning accordingly. Wenger wants to get back into management, and I'd expect to get two to three years out of him. That's more than enough time to get us moving in the right direction. Something we're not doing now.

Wenger was still winning trophies after you and your Arsenal friends say he was finished. He also never finished outside of the top six (only three times outside of the top 4 in over 20 years) He built several sides, all of which won cups, yet you would rather have Silva who has won nothing of note, and has no track record in the Premier League whatsoever.

Steve Ferns
92 Posted 01/10/2019 at 15:42:29
Iain, Man City did not put Arteta with Guardiola. Guardiola took him on as a Spaniard that he knew and that had knowledge of the Premier League.

Name one assistant coach who got "put" with someone who worked. I cannot think of a single one in history. Sure there might be an exception or two, but it always ends in disaster. The number 2 must be selected by the manager.

The only way your plan would work is if you got Wenger in and told him to nominate a successor and work with him and train him up. In this scenario you would find that Wenger ends up in a supervisory role and is overlapping with Brands. Seeing as Brands would be the one to make the decision he would not stand for it. Moshiri also knows Wenger well. I also believe that Moshiri and Usmanov were after replacing Wenger, so they are hardly going to bring him here. The guy they wanted to replace Wenger with at Arsenal is unknown but Marco Silva was high on their list, despite his honour roll being dismissed by you as "nothing of note".

Iain Latchford
93 Posted 01/10/2019 at 16:01:47
I'd be happy for Wenger to name his man. I don't necessarily follow the "put Big Dunc or Cahill in" train of thought. I'd trust his judgement based on what I've seen.

Why can't you have Brands as DOF, a manager, and an assistant who is learning from both?

So Arsenal were potentially going to sack Wenger and replace him with Silva, who at that point probably hadn't even got as far as his purple patch with Watford? I'm not sure about that one.

Jay Harris
94 Posted 01/10/2019 at 16:18:31
Steve,
I always enjoy your knowledgable and well thought out posts but I think IAin has a point about Wenger.

I believe we need a general manager type who has done it all and worn the T shirt and can stamp his authority on the younger players and I think Wenger with Arteta handling the coaching is plausible. I also think we should not discount Bielsa, Ancellotti ( We should have got him before his latest gig),

I think Benitez is a good manager but you could argue he has won nothing for years and I cant forgive him for calling us a small club and I'm sure he didnt enjoy our supporters calling him the "Fat Spanish waiter".

What really bugs me is up to about 1990 we would have been just as attractive to top managers as Man U or the RS and certainly bigger than Spurs, Chelsea or Man City. Have we really fallen that far that supporters are saying the likes of Mourhino wouldnt come to us or we should go for the likes of Eddie Howe or Sean Dyche.

We need a really ambitious and well thought out appointment. Very few of us know what goes on in the corridors of football but I'm sure soundings out and behind the scenes approaches are being made. I would be disappointed if they were not.

I also wonder if anyone has an opinion on Julen Lopeteguic urrently managing Sevilla. ( Its a name that hasnt cropped up much.)

Steve Ferns
95 Posted 01/10/2019 at 16:40:05
Iain, Silva was in the middle of setting his all-time European wide record for consecutive wins with Olympiacos, he had all but won the title before Christmas, such was their lead, and then he took that side to the Emirates and won. Arsenal were in the throes of despair and the board were divided and considering replacements. One of which was Marco Silva. Which is why Moshiri was so keen on him, having heard the recommendations for him to the Arsenal board. Moshiri was further impressed, even though most here were not with how he did at Hull, and then was convinced after Watford initially flew high in the Premier League.

As for Wenger and Brands, if you cannot see the overlapping of the roles in this scenario, then I cannot convince you otherwise. Who's going to be signing the players, organising the scouting, and overseeing the system at the club? The Assistant wouldn't be learning from Brands, he'd be learning from the guy coaching the side.

Jay, Lopeteguic is a decent coach with some great ideas. But let's not forget what an utter failure he was at Real Madrid. If you can excuse that failure, then you can surely see fit to give Silva some time. If not, do we then sack Lopeteguic if he has a sticky patch? Do we keep trying to get in good coaches and then demand instant success and boot them out at the first sign of trouble?

We don't want a manager who has done it all and worn the t-shirt. Such managers are usually a spent force. You want the guy on the way up, not the way down. We cannot get the guy at the top. You need someone like Brands to really do his homework and consider exactly what would happen if a Dyche came in. Can he change to a more expansive style of football? How did he play when Burnley were the better side in the Championship? How does he play against lower league in the cups? What about Howe, what can he do with our resources to stop the long losing streaks and cut out the defensive errors. His fine win against us could have easily been a defeat. He sailed close to the wind. Silva had his number pressing him high up the pitch and no doubt their fans were screaming for them to stop fannying about with it at the back.

On that point, the fannying about at the back. If anyone wants to remember what it used to be like, just watch Newcastle. Not just the way Leicester dismantled them, but any of the other games. Launching it long means they regularly don't see the ball for a good five minutes.

Back on point though, if we replace the manager now, it will be for another Silva. As I said, someone who is meant to be what Silva was meant to be. That is: young, hungry, attractive passing football, with a modern pressing game, and prepared to coach young players and improve them. A workaholic who never leaves the training ground and watches football non-stop in his time off.

This is what Brands has been brought in to do. Keep the system the same. If the coach changes, the tactics and the system does not. We just change the one doing the coaching, we do not need to overhaul the whole team. I would expect Brands to surprise us with a manager most have not heard of.

James Marshall
96 Posted 01/10/2019 at 16:55:59
Employ a second rate manager, you get second rate football. He's Martinez 2.0. Useless.

I get the feeling he lacks the ability to motivate players, hence why we're bang average most of the time.

Mike Gaynes
97 Posted 01/10/2019 at 16:59:54
Jay #94, Lopetegui is a fine manager. His name hasn't cropped up because he has never in 35 years played or managed outside Spain, except for two seasons at Porto. And because his current Sevilla club is two points off the top of the La Liga table and has monumentally brighter prospects than we do at the moment.

However, if any prominent football figure were to want to leave Spain, right now might be the time. The current crime wave targeting Spanish footballers is unbelievable. Our old pal Ramiro Funes Mori is one of nearly 20 robbery victims ESPNFC listed just for this year:

Gerard Pique
Jordi Alba
Zinedine Zidane
Gabriel
Ezequiel Garay
Geoffrey Kondogbia
William Carvalho
Joaquin Sanchez
Alvaro Morata
Kevin-Prince Boateng
Arthur
Isco
Lucas Vazquez
Philippe Coutinho
Casemiro
Thomas Partey
Samuel Umtiti
Funes Mori

Iain Latchford
98 Posted 01/10/2019 at 17:09:43
We'll have to agree to disagree Steve. I'm now in the pub.

Ultimately you think Silva is a better manager than Wenger (in the current game). I struggle to get my head around that based on past and present performance. Time will tell.

Steve Ferns
99 Posted 01/10/2019 at 17:30:39
Wenger was a great manager Iain. He’s 69. He ain’t that guy anymore. He doesn’t have the time or energy to do what needs to be done. It was different for him at Arsenal where he’s built the system and just needed to oversee it. Now he’d retire for good before he’d even get the system in place. The next guy might not even like wenger’s system. If Wenger does return to football, it’d be in Brands’ Job, not silva’s.
John Pierce
100 Posted 01/10/2019 at 17:44:57
The guy on the way up?

Moyes, Martinez, Silva.

The guys on the way down?

Mourinho, Benitez, Wenger.

On their worst day those three past their prime are better than those guys on their best day.

Benitez still has the ability to get the team to achieve more than the sum of its parts.

Ian Pilkington
101 Posted 01/10/2019 at 17:58:40
I expressed the view last January that Silva was finished, but after the surprising upturn in form last Spring I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

However this season the same failings have returned, reflected in our dismal league position and Silva has to take the blame; he's clearly not good enough.

Message to Mr Brands: you are Director of Football, sack Silva now before another season is wasted.

Jay Harris
102 Posted 01/10/2019 at 18:23:29
Mike,
I mentioned Lopetegui because when I researched manager with a high win rate. He was one of the surprise names with over 60% win rate as a manager. Now I know apart from Sevilla and Porto he hasnt managed in top leagues but there are only the likes of Mourhino, Guardiola etc with over 60% win rates in their managerial careers.

For example Emery who I wanted us to get When we ended up with Silva has only a 52% win rate.

Paul Tran
103 Posted 01/10/2019 at 18:25:39
I'd agree with you, Steve, the next manager will probably be a young, European, 'up and coming' lottery ticket on legs.

In the meantime, the two questions are:

If Silva is the streaky manager we agree he is, what's the likelihood of him becoming a consistent one?

Is the best reason for keeping him not wanting to change manager again, or are there positive reasons for him to keep his job?

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

104 Posted 01/10/2019 at 18:28:48
Putting aside (just a tad) the footballing side of Everton FC and considering it from Moshiri's (the business owner's) perspective, I muse on the following:

Moshiri has stated on more than one occasion his ambitions for the club. That he doesn't want it to be a mere museum piece living on past history.

To that end, on his watch, he is already on to his 5th manager in four years. At last year's AGM he very publicly stated with his manager present that results and performances were not matching expectations.

Brands was recruited to bring some order, continuity and modern professionalism to the footballing structure at the club. Very quickly, he was promoted to a seat on the board.

Presumably, between them all, the board, Moshiri himself, plus Brands, have mapped out short-medium-long term plans with KPIs - key performance indicators - of what is expected and by when.

Last season was possibly considered slightly under par. The expectancy for the first two months of this season - and all the more so with our benevolent opening fixture list - would, I believe, have been to see us in the top 4-6 in the PL and still in the League Cup. Again, I fancy we have a few double and triple bogeys on our card in the league when it could have been reasonably expected we would be higher up the leaderboard.

A team and especially a manager is ultimately judged on results. The longer this poor form under Silva continues, the greater scrutiny he comes under from his ambitious boss as he repeatedly fails to meet the most minimal of KPIs.

Now this is where the balance starts tipping against Silva: do Brands and Silva stick with the medium to long term plan and ignore the current evidence of short term KPIs not being met, or do they roll the dice and get a new manager in and start not completely 'all over anew', but have to allow the new man time to show what he can do?

In such a scenario, do you go with a 'bridging' manager as Moshiri did with Sam Allardyce? (eek!). Or replace him with someone you are again going to allow time to develop his methods and improve the team?

If the former, then Arsene Wenger is not a bad call. If the latter, are you going to go large and get in:

* a seasoned and proven manager who is available NOW and could start tomorrow (Allegri, Mourinho, Wegner)

* 2nd tier managers also available NOW but with a less proven track record (Marcelino, Laurent Blanc)

* a seasoned and proven manager who is attached to a club (Simone, Benitez)

* a younger, up and coming manager (similar to Silva) who is attached to a club (Wagner, Nagelsmann)

* or even (a very unlikely one, given the recent tragic death of his daughter) a left field appointment of someone like Luis Enrique

Now primarily Brands, I fancy, is formulating the short-medium-long term plans to ensure that Everton incrementally reach the summit of where Moshiri wants to take the club.

More than anyone else at the club he probably knows best the manager profile that best fits with those plans. If and when Silva leaves Everton (as all do, eventually) it will be extremely interesting to see who Brands (because if he is also still at the club in this scenario, it will largely fall to him to make the appointment of a new manager) goes for.

But with all this hypothetical speculation, one thing can be said: whoever is appointed and whenever, NOBODY comes with gilt-edged guarantees that they will transform the club into a silverware-sucking-football-machine we all wish to see.

Jay Harris
105 Posted 01/10/2019 at 18:29:27
Steve,

I think Real Madrid has a lot of political issues that only a certain breed of manager can cope with and was in a sorry state at that time so I could overlook that. I would compare us with Sevilla and he seems to be doing ok there.

I would like to give Silva more time especially not having Gbamin available to him but I feel he is losing support rapidly and once it goes sour there is no recovery.

David Pearl
106 Posted 01/10/2019 at 18:30:49
Steve,

We lost the game didn’t we? We had 8 shots against them yes. Whoopee. A record apparently. Did you notice how many shots City had or the fact we were spineless for 20 minutes? Playing a 4-4 1-1 Which worked in patches, and perhaps grew into the game. Let’s see what happens against Burnley now shall we.


I’m betting we go back to the 4231 now and we revert to the norm. Our players however suit a more narrow formation such as 532 or 433. I think it’s pretty plain to see that all of our forwards/wingers are more suited to the middle, We should use our full backs for width. Silva doesn’t play to our strengths, with the players we have, most of them he’s bought in l should add.

I’m also reading that Silva is Martinez mark 2. He isn’t. A couple decent signings at the back and we would of been fine under him. A player came off and another would come in and you saw the style we had, that was worth building on. Then we went to koeman and ripped up that playbook. The manager who took James McCarthy off after 22 minutes of a game. Now we have Silva. He ain’t good enough.

On a personal note I’m having the usual stressful day. I went to the doctors and had blood pressure monitor fitted. Ordered a pizza, went the shop while it was being made. Offered a free costa coffee. The machine froze as l pressed the button for a vanilla latte. So no coffee. Then l went to pick up my pizza and it had just been given to someone else by mistake. Now I come on here and still I'm reading how we should get Benitez in. I'm thinking of driving off a cliff. Anyone know of any good spots?

Kevin Latham
107 Posted 01/10/2019 at 18:42:26
Sounds like a tough day David, bad luck. But every cloud, as they say - at least you managed to swerve that Costa, the Brett Angel of the coffee world 😄
Rob Dolby
108 Posted 01/10/2019 at 18:43:55
Dave with the day your having the car would probably break down on the way to the cliff.

Good job this is all hypothetical. There are 20 different managers mentioned in this thread and no matter who we pick they still wouldn't have a proven striker to pick from.

James Hughes
109 Posted 01/10/2019 at 18:46:09
Wenger ? Benitez ? really ?

Silva is billy no mates on here at present, his run last season can't have been a fluke. Leave those dinosaurs behind

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

110 Posted 01/10/2019 at 19:06:14
Add ZZ's name to the list. Could be available soon.

Real Madrid 0 Club Bruges (Club Bruges!) 2 at half-time in the CL.

Paul Tran
111 Posted 01/10/2019 at 19:28:49
James, no doubt it was a good run. My worry at the start of the season was that that run had the absence of pressure. When the pressure was on mid-season the team disappeared for two months.

Sure enough, there was some expectation at the start of the season and we've started poorly.

My perception is that he's a streaky manager with the bad streaks outweighing the good ones.

Can he become the consistently good manager we're looking for? He needs to convince me.

David Pearl
112 Posted 01/10/2019 at 19:47:09
Brett Angel of coffee, good one that. In Canada they have a place called Coffee Time, the John Spencer of coffee. A hang out for crack heads. Not that lve got anything against crack heads. I’m sure a good manager could be found amongst them,

Managers hey. What fortune they make yet most of them fail. A good manager for me can make changes when he needs to in shape and personnel. We have a squad that’s not being used because we are flogging a system that isn’t working. Mourihno used to be good at that tactical changes mid game. Wengers time might be over at his age but what a breath of fresh air he was when he first arrived. I’d have a go for Arteta. I have a soft spot for Bilic too but that’s based on his punditry as much as his managerial skills. I just think we can do a lot better with the players we have. Surely Silva has had his chance. No passion and no plan.

I wouldn't mind 433 with Walcott and Richarlison running off DCL, and stop them running back to tackle in our box. Attack Marco Attack.

Brent Stephens
113 Posted 01/10/2019 at 20:45:05
Let's hope the brewers's droop.
Mike Gaynes
114 Posted 01/10/2019 at 21:48:45
Utter collapse by Spurs... they've given up 7 at home (so far) to Bayern. Humiliation. Poch has gotta be packing.

Tony Hill
115 Posted 01/10/2019 at 21:49:27
Not good for Tottenham. That's a very, very damaging score.
Tony Hill
116 Posted 01/10/2019 at 21:51:10
Yes, Mike, there's some bad stuff going on there. Daniel won't be pleased.
Mike Gaynes
117 Posted 01/10/2019 at 21:53:25
I didn't think Levy could get any paler. He looked like Gollum.
Mike Gaynes
118 Posted 01/10/2019 at 21:55:11
NBCSN had Steve Nash hosting a Spurs party in a pub someplace. Wild cheering after that first goal. I think the place was empty by mid-second half. He's sitting there eating pretzels.
Kieran Kinsella
119 Posted 01/10/2019 at 22:07:18
May see the first playing checkatrade in a few years
Jamie Crowley
120 Posted 01/10/2019 at 22:31:47
Back to the stick or twist question, I think we have to stick.

I'm not happy with a myriad of things with Silva. I just feel it's not in the best interest of Everton to go through yet another managerial change.

I think we simply have to stick with Silva through three years. I don't want to upset any chance of the funding for the new stadium. A new manager means more money at the new fella, a new backroom staff, new players to implement his system, etc.

We will not be in a relegation battle. Thankfully, there's a host of terrible teams below us. No matter how frustrating this becomes, we're not going down.

Silva will turn it around. As Steve Ferns points out, he's just a guy who seemingly produces very streaky results.

But long term, after the 2020-2021 season, if he's not gotten us minimally into the Top 6, he's got to go.

Too much money invested, too good a squad (ya, I said that), too good an opportunity with the bigger boys flailing, to not have serious repercussions and show Silva the door, if he's not got us dreaming big.

But my God I'm ready to just light shit on fire, I'm so mad at this season. I just feel we need a time of consistency, calm, and stability at Everton right now.

I guess I'm "settling" a bit for the near future, hoping that improves the long term prospects of the Club.

AND! I want a manager who plays attacking football, unpredictable football, unafraid football, and doesn't change his tactics because he's on the road vs. "Big Boys FC". Just please go for it all the time? But that's a broken record with me, so there's that.

Jamie Crowley
121 Posted 01/10/2019 at 22:41:19
Our October sees four winnable games. We'd better get 12 points from all four games. November's three games are all winnable as well. Spurs at home will be tough, but they are an absolute mess presently.

Why do we need to win the next two months?

Our December / Holiday schedule is a minefield. If Marco doesn't have one hell of an October and November, the discussion of stick or twist may be a mute one.

The sad thing is, I see mediocrity in our future the next two months, and a Christmas full of coal stockings and bare-bottom spankings.

Supporting this Club is about as much fun as a root canal sometimes.

Mike Gaynes
122 Posted 01/10/2019 at 22:45:03
"I'm not happy with a myriad of things with Silva. I just feel it's not in the best interest of Everton to go through yet another managerial change."

Jamie, you should warn me when you're going to say something so succinctly perfect.

Especially when you're going to follow it with a meditation on defecational arson.

Tom Bowers
123 Posted 01/10/2019 at 22:47:47
Somehow Everton will have to stagger through to January 1st.

It's plain to see that they are a club in distress and have a manager who is like a deer in the headlights. He has not yet figured out the right strategy nor the right starting eleven although it could have been a little different if Gbamin and Gomes had a run of games under their belts.

I the final third so far they have looked very poor and that includes everyone and when that happens it's left to the defence to stay resolute which they haven't hence the position they are in now.

You need to have class players and you need to have them performing week in week out like RS and Man City.

Of course you need a good manager and backroom boys but as Everton are a long way off the top two in all areas one could have at least expected some better results and last Saturday's game apart they should have had more points from other games.

Will it pick up at Burnley, who knows? but another lack-lustre performance surely will see Silva in a taxi.

Mike Doyle
124 Posted 01/10/2019 at 23:11:35
Poch might be available soon. Any takers?
Mike Gaynes
125 Posted 02/10/2019 at 02:24:00
Sorry, Mike, not a chance he'd ever be interested in us.
Jerome Shields
127 Posted 02/10/2019 at 06:17:49
I again think the trouble is deeper than the Manager in training and preparation.

The defence is poorly coached in coping with any ball that is not straight on and distribution out of defence is poor. The midfield is not mobile or fast enough in its play and pass completion in the final third is poor. This all results on self-inflicted pressure on the defence and midfield and a blunt attack. Not helped by some players not making the necessary level of contribution.

This all gives the impression of players going through the motions with a poor attitude and motivation. there was a bit of a boost for the City game helped by more space available going forward. This all comes from the training ground, where the competition for places must be lacking.

Silva, with help from Brands, does not appear to be able to change things around at the moment, which is reflected in the sediments of this article.

Changes have to be made in the coaching staff, but this is difficult because of their contracts and support within the Club. They may even be prepared to sacrifice the Manager to maintain their position. I believe they have converted before.

There is also a real danger that those who are capable may decide to realise their ambitions elsewhere.

The dilemma is that replacing the Manager will not sort this out and a change of Manager, as many of us realise, will mean that the plan will have to start all over again with the same old Everton. At this rate, we will have to wait to those that have been there through the reign of various Managers leave of their own accord or drop of their perch.

No way to run a Club.

Steve Hogan
128 Posted 02/10/2019 at 09:16:37
Jerome (127)

Just a question from paragraph 4. 'Silva with Brands help, do not seem able to change things around'...

Why do you believe Brands is involved in team selection and coaching on a day-to-day basis? To my knowledge, his remit was purely recruitment of players, contracts etc.

Don't think that has changed at all since the season started?

Sam Hoare
129 Posted 02/10/2019 at 09:24:16
Mike@125; never say never! I'm sure he'd have options but there aren't that many (8 or so?) clubs who pay higher managerial wages than us.

It would depend on what he wants? Would he want to a break? Would he want to stay in the Premier League?

It also depends who is in charge of those 8 or so other clubs.

He's still not won anything. And I think that may give the likes of United, Real Madrid, Barcelona etc pause; especially when there are quite a few managers out there who do have impressive CVs (Mourinho, Allegri, Wenger etc).

I don't think it's likely he'd come to us. But I don't think it's impossible. I certainly don't think we should write it off.

Paul Hewitt
130 Posted 02/10/2019 at 09:24:51
See Wenger has said, he could be close to a return to management.
Brian Harrison
131 Posted 02/10/2019 at 09:40:29
I just wonder if what is happening at Spurs with Pochettino saying in the summer he has no involvement in the transfers of players or player contracts, mirrors the same process at Everton were seemingly our DOF is in charge of buying players. Pochettino has said that some of his squad have a different agenda, so players are actively looking for new clubs that cant be good for team morale.

I can't for the life of me understand why clubs need to diminish the influence of their managers and put it in the hands of a DOF. I fully understand that a club needs someone to negotiate contracts with new and existing players, but surely the manager MUST be the sole arbitrator of which players the club buys. Otherwise you end up with a DOF buying players that the manager doesn't fancy. Now how much that happens at Everton I don't know, but did nobody think it was strange that Brands presumably buys Yerry Mina for £24 million and just as the window is closing we loan Zouma from Chelsea. But the manager chooses Zouma over Mina; yes, I know Mina had some injury issues when he first came but, when fit, Silva still picked Zouma.

Also, whose fault was it that Gueye was allowed to leave as, according to Silva, he was doing everything to persuade him to stay. So why didn't he stay he still had 2 years left on his contract, so who sanctioned his move to PSG as I am sure it wasn't Silva. Also who is responsible for not buying a recognised striker rather than bringing in a 19-year-old from Italy to compete with Calvert-Lewin who is still learning the game.

Joe McMahon
132 Posted 02/10/2019 at 09:46:21
It's gonna need some selling, "Project Everton", as we haven't appointed a quality manager since Joe Royle, or even played in the Champions League. Sadly, I think the stadium or at least the seeing the building of it first to attract better quality managers and players.
Iain Latchford
133 Posted 02/10/2019 at 09:48:25
Wenger is being linked with the AC Milan job.

Few big jobs potentially coming available soon. Real Madrid, Man Utd, Spurs, AC Milan etc. Will be interesting to see who ends up where. I hope we don't end up regretting not making a move for someone who then goes on to succeed somewhere else.

Joe McMahon
134 Posted 02/10/2019 at 10:00:09
Not gonna happen, Iain, don't get your hopes up.

Moyes or Unsworth awaits.

Jerome Shields
135 Posted 02/10/2019 at 13:00:40
Steve#128

I am referring to the organisation and set up of the training and development facilities within the Club and any input that Brands would have into it. Brands is not involved in the day to day coaching and selection of players, beyond of appraisal of individual performances and assessment of furture needs. Brands would have some involvement as a Director of Football and more so as a Director on the Board of Everton regarding the organisation within the Club, particularly in the football end, in my opinion. Silva and Brands are bound to have regular meetings

I don't claim insider knowledge, but do have knowledge of Management at Director level.

I found your article well thought out and informative. I am of the same opinion regarding the Bramley-Moore Dock.

Jerome Shields
136 Posted 02/10/2019 at 13:48:13
Regarding Wenger his initial Premier League success was based on a George Graham defence. After that influence faded, he survived on a his own organisation and tactics to keep in the top four, by regularly gaining points of the lower third of the Premier League and good FA Cup runs, but was never capable enough to win the Premier League or beat Ferguson's Man Utd after that. Other top four club either on a consistent bases.

I use to use Everton's Arsenal games as a measure of progress, and was often disappointed in our progress as a result. I never thought of Wenger as a Manager who could progress Everton, didn't have the necessary skills set for Everton.

I am of the same opinion as Joe #123 regarding selling the Everton project.

Winston Williamson
137 Posted 03/10/2019 at 16:37:49
Would love Julian Nagelsmann as the next EFC manager. He has a preference of playing two upfront, usually with a back three, however, he has shown he is very adaptable tactically when at Hoffenheim, switching between 3-4-3, 3-5-2 and 4-3-3.

He is only a few games in to his Leipzig career though, so not really a realistic option I guess.

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