Give Dominic Calvert-Lewin a new long-term contract

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It won't be universally popular talking about improving contracts when we are 15th on the back of three defeats.

Regardless, I think the club needs to back Dominic Calvert-Lewin now with an improved longer-term deal. I think he has stepped up a gear. He looks stronger to me, more aggressive. I think he is at the very start of his time as a top striker. His heading and finishing is improving. His long-ball winning and fighting off defenders is improving. His determination through a troubled period has never diminished. This shows great mental strength – an attribute that will ultimately override other areas that he is tirelessly working to improve.

Towards the end of last season, when he had a run of games at No 9 in a stable team, we were looking balanced and strong. I know there were other massive factors but we looked like a better team for it against Sheffield Wednesday and Manchester City. If he keeps working at it and keeps getting the support, from both the manager and fans, I am confident Dominic is going to be a great player for us long-term.

Timing is everything with regards to contracts. The board should be looking at giving Calvert-Lewin a new long-term one. He deserves parity with Moise Kean and these two and Richarlison should be backed to the hilt to be part of the current and future Everton strikeforce.

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Stan Schofield
1 Posted 01/10/2019 at 14:19:38
I agree.
Dennis Stevens
2 Posted 01/10/2019 at 14:29:28
Ditto!
Steve Ferns
3 Posted 01/10/2019 at 15:11:36
Tony, he's already on Championship player's wages. If he goes a while without scoring, he'll get all the usual abuse again and be repeatedly called a Championship player. If he remains on Championship wages, like Davies and Holgate, then at least he's deserving of a place in the squad on finances alone.

Isn't is amazing to think that Calvert-Lewin, Holgate and Davies all earn (combined) less than Schneiderlin or Sigurdsson? Sure, Premier League wages are insane and even Calvert-Lewin earns more in a week than the average guy, but the aforementioned two earn more in a week than the guy's house.

Alan J Thompson
4 Posted 01/10/2019 at 15:20:35
When does his present contract expire and could an update be dependent on lowering the overall wage bill?
Steve Ferns
5 Posted 01/10/2019 at 15:27:14
Alan, he signed a new contract in December 2017, which expires in the summer of 2023. He's reportedly on £35,000 per week (less than Duncan was on 20 years ago).
Alan J Thompson
6 Posted 01/10/2019 at 15:31:42
I see what you mean, Steve, Dunc's supposed to be broke, isn't he?
May be next year.
Steve Ferns
7 Posted 01/10/2019 at 15:36:17
I'd review his contract in the summer Alan. There's still 3 years left at that point. He's on a youth team graduate's wage. If he's able to score 15 goals then he deserves a big hike to reflect his status as a first team player, if he's back on the bench then he has another season to prove he is a first team player and if not, you'd let him leave, so no point giving him a big pay hike.
Alan J Thompson
8 Posted 01/10/2019 at 15:50:24
Steve, never forget Mr Moshiri is an accountant and when evaluating the efficiency of a business accountants first look at the wage bill and manning levels followed by fixed asset values, albeit the latter usually dictates the buying price, or in the case of BMD, the future value.
Regardless, DC-L is an asset worth holding on to for a year or two, at least.
Rob Dolby
9 Posted 01/10/2019 at 16:30:20
We have spent the summer trying to recruit better players including a striker.

DCL needs to prove himself otherwise by rewarding him with a contract is just stockpiling more dead wood.

John Keating
10 Posted 01/10/2019 at 16:39:03
I agree with Steve.
If he still has over 3 years left it should be reviewed in the Summer.
Saying that I think DCL will only get better the more he plays, especially if we can get Silva or another manager that plays to players strengths not a fixed dour system.
Dave Williams
11 Posted 01/10/2019 at 20:36:47
The summer is soon enough but by then if Silva gets it together I would expect Dom to be a full international and worth double what he is at the moment.
He is coming along nicely and certainly looks like he has put on muscle from last season
Clive Rogers
12 Posted 01/10/2019 at 21:25:33
Yes he’s deadly nowadays from 2mm.
Peter Mills
13 Posted 02/10/2019 at 09:02:18
He’s a good footballer, and would look better if someone like erm, I don’t know, let’s say Moise Kean played alongside him for a few minutes now and again.

I appreciate this is radical thinking, and would disrupt our midfield which is currently doing so well.

Liam Reilly
14 Posted 02/10/2019 at 09:17:59
The burden of carrying the weight if that shirt and the responsibility is far too much for his young shoulders.

We need a proven #9 that Calvert-Lewin can learn from and gradually increase his confidence and his playing time

Clive Rogers
15 Posted 02/10/2019 at 09:35:22
Liam, he is 23 in March, we can’t wait for ever. Also Silva plays one up front. If we get a proven striker he will be the one.
Liam Reilly
16 Posted 02/10/2019 at 10:54:42
Then he's the wrong one Clive.

The club needs to stop being nice and start being ruthless.

He works hard but he's not going to elevate Everton to the next level and if he was on the market now; few (if any) of the top half sides would even glance at him.

Hopefully Brands can pull in a new striker in January, but more likely in the summer and Calvert-Lewin can go out on loan to a lower Premier-League side.

James Stewart
17 Posted 02/10/2019 at 10:59:06
Bar none, the stupidest post I have ever seen on this site.
Steve Ferns
18 Posted 02/10/2019 at 11:16:56
Far from it James. I've posted worse than this, many a time. Tony is premature, not wrong. The lad has 4 goals in 8 games now. That's a decent record in anyone's book. Sure, people will delete the League Cup goals, and then take off the Man City goal and leave him with 1, but the records show 4 in 8 for the season. If he can finish the season with 15, that's only 11 more with at least 33 more games to do it in, then he would deserve that contract Tony proposes.

The fact is that your average Premier League bench warmer earns more than Calvert-Lewin. We do not pay him enough for his position in our squad. If he started scoring like Tammy Abraham has, then we would worry that he would be poached by another club who would pay him properly. It's not fanciful to say that he could score like Abraham, because whilst he has kicked to a level that Calvert-Lewin looks incapable of, they were always of similar ability coming up together. So whilst be unlikely that Calvert-Lewin scores 7 Premier League goals in the next 7 Premier League games, it's not impossible that he could similarly kick on.

Calvert-Lewin's wage reflects the uncertainty in attaining the level we require of him. If he shows he's getting there, then a pay rise is inevitable. The lad is only on half what Niasse or Tosun are on, or a fifth (1/5) of what Sandro is reportedly on, so he can rightly ask for parity once he cements his place.

Steve Ferns
19 Posted 02/10/2019 at 11:45:25
Did anyone see the Guardiola comments on Calvert-Lewin?

"Calvert-Lewin is one of the best headers I have ever seen in jumping and flicking the ball."

He's obviously never seen big Dunc, or has a short memory. But it echoes what I have said since Calvert-Lewin gave City a torrid time in the 1-1 draw 2 years ago. Aerially, I don't think there's a better forward in the league. Maybe Andy Carroll but can you count him if he never plays?

Michael Lynch
20 Posted 02/10/2019 at 12:00:30
Calvert-Lewin is as good as anyone in the old-fashioned heading role, and his hold up play is good, so perhaps we should stop fannying about with the slow build-up at the back, and play to our strengths? Hoof it to Calvert-Lewin and have two strong, nippy, goal-hungry players either side of him in Kean and Richarlison.
Joe McMahon
21 Posted 02/10/2019 at 12:02:49
Steve, Tim Cahill, not actually a forward but far more agile than Ferguson also. Regards Calvert-Lewin, we will have to wait and see on his development, but as he's 23 in a few months he will need to score more regularly in Premier League matches.
Brian Harrison
22 Posted 02/10/2019 at 12:59:41
Steve

Just to put the comments from Guardiola in context, he was asked was he worried with his makeshift defense if other clubs would target their weakness in the air. In response he said well maybe if they all have a player like DCL who is one of the best in the air I have seen. I think it was more of a back handed compliment to protect his own team, so like all good managers he makes it sound like this will be a one off because of DCLs strength in the air.

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

23 Posted 02/10/2019 at 13:06:19
James @ 17.

"Bar none, the stupidest post I have ever seen on this site."

Ohhh, I dunno. You've just put up pretty strong competition yourself.

Whilst I don't agree with Tony's opening post, it's harmless enough, just expressing an opinion.

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

24 Posted 02/10/2019 at 13:20:48
Steve @ 19, did Guardiola really say that?

Hmmm. As you know I am a big fan and defender of DCL, but even I had hoped he would have progressed more last season than he did.

Guardiola's words, to me, seem more akin to a manager who has beaten his opponent, can afford to be generous talking up the opposition to make his team and players feel even better about themselves.

An indirect way, if you like, of saying to Otamendi and Fernandinho 'I know you had a wretched time of it against Everton's centre forward, but you won't meet many of his like - if at all - for the rest of the season.'

Chris Wilder did something similar following the Blades win, saying Everton should have won the game (er...no...we didn't deserve the win) to make his team's victory look all the better.

Also, given how Guardiola plays his football and the leagues where he has played and coached most of his football, his teams don't play with or against (many) teams with the skill set he attributes to DCL.

Whether intended or not, is he not in effect saying Everton played a direct long ball game to best utilise the talents of DCL? If so, I'm not sure if that is very complimentary to the Everton manager and how his team sets out to play.

Tony Abrahams
25 Posted 02/10/2019 at 13:37:52
Agree with most of that Jay, except your last paragraph, because if Everton would have played a long ball game, we might have done a lot better on Saturday, so it’s definitely not a compliment to Silva imo!
Peter Mills
26 Posted 02/10/2019 at 13:56:05
I see nothing wrong with playing a long ball game sometimes, either as a one-off tactic against a specific opponent, or for a spell within a match.

Similarly, in these days when a manager can select from a coterie of substitutes, why not include amongst them the likes of Niasse, someone who creates havoc because of his unpredictability?

I hate the idea of having a philosophy, a particular style of play, unless you are the very best at it. By all means, coach and drill the players, but let’s have a few different ways of playing that will cause our opponents to have to think and adapt. We are so easy to counter, and so easy to attack against. Far too often our players play like machines, badly programmed ones at that.

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

27 Posted 02/10/2019 at 13:59:52
And I'd agree with that Tony (and Peter).

It wasn't out-and-out long ball, a la Tony Pulis at Stoke. But to hit Calvert-Lewin more often than we did may have brought greater rewards against a struggling City defence than the slow build-up back to front we did play.

But then, who was close enough anticipating and picking up Calvert-Lewin's knock-ons? There was an extreme example of this in the first half when Calvert-Lewin won an aerial ball which fell invitingly in space behind his marking defender... and the one player who chased up the knock-on was Calvert-Lewin himself, with the likes of Iwobi, Richarlison and Sigurdsson 30-40 yards away!

Steve Ferns
28 Posted 02/10/2019 at 14:13:38
Anyone wanting long-ball game needs to watch Newcastle. Steve Bruce plays that way week-in, week-out. It's exactly what you ask for. Yet they lose the ball and then the opposition does all the sideways passing and Newcastle chase it around and get knackered out. They win the ball back and hit it long, lose it, and back to chasing. Leicester completely destroyed them. Even Brighton, without winning or scoring, were making them look very silly.

I'm sorry, but you need to look at these games and realise that nearly every manager is adopting this "fannying about" style for good reason. Steve Bruce is a good old fashioned football guy, he does 90% of the stuff asked for. He gets promoted time after time, and then struggles in the Premier League.

James Hughes
29 Posted 02/10/2019 at 14:27:13
Yes, Steve, but watching the Spurs vs Bayern game last night a good few goals came from long balls or balls over the top, so it can work.

The difference being is that many of the long balls were being played to a man breaking forward.

We cannot deny that we fanny about passing sideways instead of when needed being direct. As the question goes – is it a long ball or a long pass?

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

30 Posted 02/10/2019 at 14:28:07
Steve, I can't speak for Tony or Peter, but I for one am not advocating out-and-out long ball football.

That said, if you have an asset as you yourself flagged up with the complimentary words expressed about Calvert-Lewin by Guardiola, no less, then it's not unreasonable to expect at least part of your match tactics to play to those strengths, all the more so against a fraile novice centre pairing as Man City put out.

There can be a little too much football snobbery about tactics IMO when the overriding remit of manager and players alike should be to play for a win by applying the tactics, formation and selection most likely to gain you a win against any given opposition.

Steve Ferns
31 Posted 02/10/2019 at 14:30:02
That's always the question, James. But a long ball to the striker's head is a long ball. A long ball for someone to run onto, ie hit with precision rather than hope, is a long pass. The latter tends to come in counter-attacking.

The former tends to be when the defending team are unable to move up the pitch as a whole and so resort to launching it long to try and get lucky, perhaps win a free-kick or a throw-in and move up the pitch that way. This is most definitely a long ball.

Pete Hughes
32 Posted 02/10/2019 at 14:31:25
James Stewart @17 fully agree mate!
Steve Ferns
33 Posted 02/10/2019 at 14:33:33
Jay, I'd always try and mix it up in terms of tactics. Play different ways for different games. The problem with that is that such teams often end up too confused and become good at no style of play.

Those that stick to a tried and tested method, such as Bournemouth and Burnley at opposite ends of the spectrum, become masters of their way of playing and have relative success. Figure in both have tiny grounds and fanbases and there's no doubt that either club are over-achieving and that both tactics work very well.

Alan J Thompson
34 Posted 02/10/2019 at 14:53:16
Didn't Bernard score from a long ball?
Andrew Clare
35 Posted 02/10/2019 at 15:12:00
Hearing the comments about the Spurs v Bayern game last night I read that Tony Pulis said that Gnarby wasn't good enough for West Brom. Yet there he was putting on a goal-scoring master class in a Champions League tie against one of the finest teams in England.

In my mind, without doubt, a top-class manager can make a huge difference to how a player performs.

If the system is wrong the players struggle no matter how good they are. I look at a player like Calvert-Lewin who impressed Pep Guardiola one of the best managers in the world last weekend and just think maybe we have got the right players it's just that they are not being used as well as they could be.

Maybe Brands will be thinking the same way?

Dave Abrahams
36 Posted 02/10/2019 at 15:15:11
It seems to me that Dominic gets plenty of stick on ToffeeWeb no matter how he plays,yet Richarlison gets a free ride no matter how he plays, and to me he has had a very poor season up to now.
Jay Wood
[BRZ]

37 Posted 02/10/2019 at 15:15:38
Steve, of course it helps if a team has a 'core identity' and a proven strategy and tactics to win games. Football then becomes instinctive from repetitive practice, rather than forced and clumsy.

But then, of course, as a result how you play will be easier to anticipate and set up to combat.

Early last season Everton's high press took teams by surprise initially and they had literally nowhere to go as, from the back, all their passing lines were chocked off.

Teams devised ways to combat that before we got a second wind in the closing third of last season.

This season – and I acknowledge early season injuries may well be a mitigating factor – we don't have an easily identifiable style, certainly not one we can rely on to get results.

You yourself heavily promoted the notion Silva is not a one-trick pony, that he is capable of plan A-B-C, etc. On this point, knowing him from his time in Portugal, I would agree with you.

However, sadly, he is yet to demonstrate this during his tenure at Everton.

I expected (and continue to expect) better from him.

Jamie Crowley
38 Posted 02/10/2019 at 15:53:56
He a very good header of the ball.

It's finishing with his feet he needs work on. The League Cup game was outstanding on that rifled shot. Progression like that would be amazing.

These young players will come along. Patience is required – something I have very little of, and seems to be a shortage of epidemic proportions on TW.

Review his contract in the summer.

And Marco, I don't care how “well” Morgan has played the last 2-3 games. He kills our attack. Try playing another youngster in Tom Davies who actually looks to play dangerous passes forward, and isn't the proverbial safe pair of hands. Please.

Steve Ferns
39 Posted 02/10/2019 at 16:05:43
Dave, I don't understand why you think Richarlison has had a poor season. He is playing quite well for me. He is tracking back and is our top tackler as a result. On top of that he is getting chances (which he is of course missing) and he is trying to make things happen. He's been quite wasteful which has exacerbated our lack of goals, but he is one of the few who is actually having success at creating chances.

Jay, you can only press sides like the Big 6 and Bournemouth. You cannot press Palace, Villa, or Sheff Utd and these are the games we have lost (as well as City). I think the pressing game is working well. We pressed differently against City, echoes of how we pressed well at Chelsea last season, a pressing retreat rather than a pressing high up the pitch. We won the ball deep and caused City problems when we did break at speed (with long passing).

The problem is the central midfield. We have not been able to settle it. First Delph was missing, then Gbamin, then Gbamin and Gomes. Only 7 games and yet Gomes has played 4, Gbamin 2 (well 1.5), Delph 4, and Schneiderlin 5. I believe that's the order of preference at the start of the season too. So our 4th choice player has played the most games, such is the level of injury and disruption. Consider that Gbamin averages 2.5 points per game (PPG), Gomes 2.5, Delph 0.75, and Schneiderlin 0.2 and I think you can see the problem. Of course that's only stats and they don't matter, but that's also what most of our own eyes are telling us.

I think, Jay, that he is being hamstrung by crucial midfield injuries and a lack of Zouma at the back. On the latter point, he does himself no favours with a crazy high line in defence in the games where we do press high up the pitch. It's no wonder hat Mina and Keane looked much better against Man City of all teams as they were able to sit deeper, as we pressed to retreat and recover shape.

Mike Gaynes
40 Posted 02/10/2019 at 16:12:56
I just don't think the comparisons to other players' salaries are relevant.

Three-and-a-half years left on his contract. What's the hurry? At this point, I see no reason to review the situation until 2021.

Now, if he does explode this season and prove himself a Prem striker, then yes, write him a new deal next summer. But 4 in 8 isn't quite what I'd call proving anything.

Steve Ferns
41 Posted 02/10/2019 at 16:21:56
Mike, it's the same in any walk of life. If you mate does the same job as you, you want parity if he's paid more.

Ronaldo and Messi also compete with each other on salary. Not for the money, but for the prestige as another indicator as to who is the best footballer. It's been written about before how Ronaldo was always knocking on the door demanding to be paid more than Messi every time he learnt he had a pay-rise.

I wouldn't give Calvert-Lewin a payrise, but should he suddenly score 7 in 7, like Abraham, I would be promising him a new contract in the summer with much improved terms to prevent him rom becoming unhappy. Parity with Tosun and Kean, doubling his salary to a modest £55k a week (compared to Gylfi's budget busting salary) would make sense.

David Pearl
42 Posted 02/10/2019 at 16:39:26
Wow, Steve, clutching at straws a bit aren't we with that latest stat attack in defence of Silva. Did Gbamin play in 1 1/2 games or what was it? I mean seriously...

Calvert-Lewin should be on a similar amount to Kean considering he is currently ahead of him in selection and probably will be for most if not all of the season.

Steve Ferns
43 Posted 02/10/2019 at 16:55:02
Seriously David, if your central midfield partnership is wiped out, one of which was to replace a midfielder he did not want to be sold. He lost a defender he did not want to lose in Zouma. He talked up a left-footed right-sided forward, such as David Neres or Malcolm. He said he wanted a centre-forward and in particular he wanted Rafael Leao. It's not clutching at straws to say that Silva is effected by crucial injuries and the failures of Brands to land the right players in the short term.

I think Brands has got the right players for the long term if he can address the centre-back issue in January, and maybe sign the left footed right-winger. If Silva can get the pressure off himself so as to develop Kean and Calvert-Lewin then I don't think the striker issue will still be there next season, but develop they must.

John McFarlane Snr
44 Posted 02/10/2019 at 17:03:31
Hi Steve [39] like Jay [30],

I do not advocate a long ball approach as the only route to adopt, there are times in any game when a long ball is the one to play, especially if you have pacy forwards, there is nothing wrong with a long ball if it's a good ball. and I think you are splitting hairs when you differentiate between a long ball and a long pass, a long ball hit in hope was what we used to call 'Kick and Rush'. A long ball directed to a team-mate, whether it be head height or along the floor can be a thing of beauty.

You'll know, that I must comment on your use of figures to illustrate your viewpoint, so can you explain to me how Gomes and Gbamin attain a higher points total than Delph and Schneiderlin despite playing fewer games. If it's the League points gained when they have played, it doesn't appear a fair way to assess their contribution to me.

Andrew Dempsey
45 Posted 02/10/2019 at 17:07:53
Amazing how we all see the game differently. I suppose that’s the beauty of it.
It’ has not worked out too well at Man U, giving young players massive contracts. At least they finished 2nd and won the Europa League in recent times though.
Calvert-Lewin tries hard but that’s not good enough. He’s going to have to improve in such a radical, double of what Sterling has, type way, to even get close to being a 15-20 goal player.

I can’t see it happening.
The raw materials and talent are not there.
It’s cloud cuckoo land thinking this lad is going to come good for us.
We need someone much better, right now. Is not obvious to everyone?

Paul Hewitt
46 Posted 02/10/2019 at 17:10:45
I wouldn't given anyone of them a pay rise. You need to earn it first.
John Pierce
47 Posted 02/10/2019 at 17:11:10
The combination of our midfield as varied as it’s been is still more than good enough based on talent alone to beat Palace, Villa, Bournemouth, & Sheff. United.

The tactics are the issue, not the absence of personnel. He, Silva, should be able to handle the injuries, the suspensions and the sendings off. He should have an alternative for those scenarios, surely he must ‘game’ them out? He has repeatedly come up short with tactical nuance and in game shifts for the unexpected.

Where’s the innovation? Hey even Martinez fooled Wenger by pushing Lukaku to the right, damn it he even beat Brazil with the same trick in Russia just a summer ago!

Take going 1 nil down to Sheff. United. Look it happens, but where was the plan to change it? His response was, meek, to throw on as many attacking players as possible and we lose any semblance of shape. We almost played 2-3-5 and somehow offered zero threat. How?!

I doubt you’ll ever see Silva utilize Calvert-Lewin’s strengths because he is either philosophically opposed to it or doesn’t know how to coach it. Either way not using every available option when you team is banged up to get a result is sacrilege. It smacks of pride and stubbornness.

If he had been pragmatic and got us 2 or 3 filthy 1-0 wins, then yes his midfield options offer some mitigation and he has a platform to go from as his team gets healthy.

Instead he’s sent a team out with limited tactical options, doing the same thing over and over. His team, his shortcomings, his fault.

Dave Abrahams
48 Posted 02/10/2019 at 17:29:05
Steve (39), I think, and not just this season, he runs into too many blind alleys, runs across the pitch with the ball without looking up and loses the ball, he is rarely aware of team mates in a better position, or ignores them if he is. His head goes down to easily when things are not going his way, he exaggerates most tackles against him, making them tougher than what they, that’s before I mention the six year old attitude of sulking, even when he is being substituted, he’s getting much more than ten men’s wages, he wants to start acting like one, that is why I think he hasn’t done enough this season. Funny enough I missed the Wolves game when he scored two, one with a very good header.
Tony Marsh
49 Posted 02/10/2019 at 18:09:46
This article and those fans in agreement with the article are one of the many many reasons why Everton FC will always be second-rate under-achievers. If Everton finish in the top 6 to 8 of the Premier League, in effect, this means we are one of the top 20-25 clubs in Europe. Even if we are 25th in the list, we should have a striker in the same bracket and not a Championship-level front man.

The same rule applies to our useless manager. If indeed we consider our club to be in the top bracket of clubs, surely by definition the manager of Everton FC should also be in the top 20-25 managers in Europe. Marco Silva isn't in the top 25 managers in England.

If you want stagnation and a constant lack of success, then strikers like Dominic Calvert-Lewin and managers like Marco Silva will give you this in abundance.

[I actually can't believe some of what I just read on here...]

Jay Harris
50 Posted 02/10/2019 at 18:27:44
Players wages should be the last thing under consideration at the moment.

If the team gets top six then thats worth a bonus for ALL the players.

If they get top 4 thats an even bigger bonus.

If they win a cup also a bonus.

The first incentive for any player should be to cement their place in the first team.

The issue of wages has become nonsensical in the Premier league era and should be more performance related imo.

Sam Hoare
51 Posted 02/10/2019 at 18:35:58
Andrew @45 Not many teams out side the top 5 have strikers who score 15-20 but I think I might settle for one who scores 10-15. Given that he already has 4 in 8 this season I don't think that is beyond the realms of possibility.

Players of his ilk, whose main assets are their pace, strength and leap, often don't come into their prime till their late 20s. I'm not sure he will ever be world class but I think he will become a pretty effective striker able to get 10-15 per season.

We'd all like a world class goalscorer but so would every other team and there aren't that many around.

Eddie Dunn
52 Posted 02/10/2019 at 18:45:47
Steve Ferns, some very interesting points(as always ) from you, but in the case of Richarlison it is clear that he is trying harder to protect Coleman behind him, and he is often winning defensive headers, but I wonder if he has listened to his coach to improve the defensive side of his game but in consequence, his goals return has reduced.

As for Gbamin, who knows if he would be up to speed by now or consigned to the bench? Gomes is a loss but I read today that Gueye has been outstanding for PSG and their defence has improved considerably since his inclusion.

What a loss he has been. I suppose you don't really appreciate some things properly until they're gone!

Paul Tran
53 Posted 02/10/2019 at 18:54:29
Main question here is whether we're going to lose him to a bigger club. I'm not sure we will, so there's no panic on this issue for me.

I was working at Burnley FC today – they're looking forward to welcoming us on Saturday as they're hitting a bit of form. Questions I got asked were: Why aren't Kean & Iwobi starting? Why are you so slow and dull to watch with the players you have? Why did you buy Keane and not Mee – he's always been their best centre-back? A couple of people had 'heard stories' that Dyche would be interested if Silva was sacked – apparently getting frustrated at the lack of budget at Burnley.

Joe McMahon
54 Posted 02/10/2019 at 19:02:22
Paul, I do see Burnley occasionally as my son supports them (his mother is from that area). What I'll say to the idea of Dyche is please NO! He's very one dimensional. Yes very much so hampered by the budget but so was Moyes and we need a winner next time.
Paul Tran
55 Posted 02/10/2019 at 19:08:03
I'd agree, Joe, just reporting what I was told.
Lee Gorre
56 Posted 02/10/2019 at 20:09:30
For starters I wouldn't give an improved contract to a player who second touch remains a tackle. He will never be top level, he's had long enough to get the basics right and is still found wanting.
Geoff Lambert
57 Posted 02/10/2019 at 21:09:23
Dave#36
Put them both up for sale and compare the bids and from what level.

Give him a pay rise??? Why We need to move him on and use the proceeds to improve the toilet block in the main stand.

Tony Abrahams
58 Posted 02/10/2019 at 21:16:58
Steve @28, I'm sure nobody wants a long-ball game mate, but I bet you loads would like to see us mix our play up a bit, instead of us just getting mixed up, by what appears to be this constant drill.

We don't think for ourselves enough, as Jay said, even when we went long Clavert-Lewin never got any support, which just confirms to me that Silva never really thought about Man City's weaknesses on Saturday night?

Shame really because I'm sure other teams will exploit Man City, by engaging them into a few little battles, especially because they are very, very, very, very difficult to beat, when you try to play them at there own game.

Dave Abrahams
59 Posted 02/10/2019 at 21:59:27
Geoff (57)how good do you think Richarlison is? His reputation is a lot more than his performances, very inconsistent.

By the way I didn’t say DCL was better than the Brazilian, what I inferred was he has played as good as him this season but only Dominic gets stick on here and Charlie escapes it.

Geoff I hope other clubs when they come in for him rate him as you seem to do, as long as we spend the proceeds on another player.

Mike Gaynes
60 Posted 02/10/2019 at 22:03:58
Paul, I trust you were able to slip a small bug into the changing room to catch Dyche's team talk for us.

Seriously, what were you doing there?

Andy Crooks
61 Posted 02/10/2019 at 22:24:22
Tony@ 49, you have identified a problem. What is your solution?
David Thomas
62 Posted 02/10/2019 at 22:35:14
Give him a new contract??? I thought it must be the 1 April when I read this. He's still got 4 years to run on his current contract. Do people honestly believe the top 6 clubs would be banging down our door to get Calvert-Lewin?
Andy Crooks
63 Posted 02/10/2019 at 22:39:20
David, yes, they would.
David Thomas
64 Posted 02/10/2019 at 22:52:08
Andy, there is not a cat in hell’s chance they would be.
David Thomas
65 Posted 03/10/2019 at 07:22:54
City and Liverpool – Would they be looking at Calvert-Lewin to replace or compete with Agüero and Jesus or Salah, Mane and Firminho? Teams competing for the title and Champions League.

Spurs – Would they genuinely think that Calvert-Lewin would offer serious competition to 30-goal-a-season Kane?

Arsenal – Would they genuinely be looking at Calvert-Lewin as a long-term successor to their 2 £50-million-plus strikers.

Man Utd – If they miss out on the Champions League this season and finish 20 to 30 points behind their two greatest rival,s do you think they would be ringing Marcel Brands or will they be trying to buy a proven goal scorer to bridge the gap?

Chelsea – When their transfer ban is over, do people honestly think they are going to have Tammy and Dominic leading their attack? Or do you think like Man Utd they will be looking to find a proven Champions League level striker?

Paul Tran
66 Posted 03/10/2019 at 07:32:03
Mike #60, I'm running a load of management programmes for small/medium businesses in Lancashire/Manchester over the next few months. Burnley FC is one of the regular venues. I'm at Oldham Athletic today (another regular) overlooking the pitch above the Joe Royle Stand. Next month I'll be starting at AFC Fylde. Many clubs use their hospitality suites as training venues on non-match days.
Iain Latchford
67 Posted 03/10/2019 at 08:57:06
Erling Brride Haaland, anyone?
Trevor Peers
68 Posted 03/10/2019 at 09:02:18
It concerns me that Everton no longer seem to be looking at anyone relevant in the transfer market with the January window coming up. We badly need at least a couple of players to improve what has been an awful start to the season, especially a decent striker.

Calvert-Lewin can't possibly carry the burden of scoring all or most of our goals on his own and at the moment no one else seems capable. Is Moshiri waiting to see if Silva can turn things round? I doubt that; defeat at Burnley would guarantee another wasted season with no sign of it ever ending.

Silva looks fireproof and will be given even more time, we seem to be gripped by an acceptance of total mediocrity.

Ray Roche
69 Posted 03/10/2019 at 09:09:58
Trevor@68

Don't be concerned, no one on here has the remotest idea whether Everton are looking at “anyone relevant “ or not.

We all react to the crap we read in the tabloids most of which is made up on a daily basis to sell copies.

Dave Abrahams
70 Posted 03/10/2019 at 09:12:02
Trevor (68), I understand your concern about the necessary signings we need in January, but to be honest I’d be amazed if we are not involved with at least two players coming to Goodison in the transfer window. It is three months away so I think the scouts are out and about looking for those players. It would be very foolish not to be ready, but even more foolish to show our hand now.
Sam Hoare
71 Posted 03/10/2019 at 09:25:09
Iain, we wish! We could have maybe got him this summer after a great showing at the U20 World Cup but after starring in Europe and the Austrian league with 12 goals in 10, I'd reckon he's firmly in the sights of the biggest clubs now. Probably one of the hottest young strikers in Europe right now. Salzburg got him for about £5m last year, handy scouting!

Also worth looking at Victor Osimhen who scored against Chelsea last night and has had a very good start at Lille (there's another club who has a good scouting system!).

James Stewart
72 Posted 03/10/2019 at 10:11:12
@18 I won't disagree with you there.

Calvert-Lewin's xG rating vs City can't have been too good, considering he pinched one on the line and missed a one-on-one, but I'm sure you will tell me it actually showed how great he was!

Mike Gaynes
73 Posted 03/10/2019 at 10:25:26
Sam and Iain, got another name for ya... Josef Martinez.
Sam Hoare
74 Posted 03/10/2019 at 11:31:55
Mike, Josef is no kid anymore. I wonder if he'll fancy a loan to Europe this winter to show what he can do? Surely if he's going to make an impact on the bigger stage he has to make a move soon?
Jamie Crowley
75 Posted 03/10/2019 at 13:43:20
All this talk of strikers is silly. We've got a developing one with tons of upside and potential in DCL.

We just bought Moise Kean for like 28 or 30 million.

We're not buying another striker, and we shouldn't have to. This is where good coaches earn their corn.

And while Marco is creating better footballers with our two young strikers, he needs to address Paul Tran's Burnley Buddies questions:

Why aren't Kean & Iwobi starting? Why are you so slow and dull to watch with the players you have?

Great questions.

Jamie Crowley
76 Posted 03/10/2019 at 13:47:25
I said yesterday Silva can't get the axe. We, Everton, need stability right now.

But, rhetorical question a bit off topic, and I'd honestly like to know people's opinions.

If Brenda Rodgers coached Everton, what place do you think we'd finish in this season?

Me?

Third. And that's a massive indictment of Marco.

Fourth place at worst if I wasn't stirring a shit pot a bit.

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

77 Posted 03/10/2019 at 14:46:51
Jamie @ 75.

"All this talk of strikers is silly...We're not buying another striker, and we shouldn't have to."

I admire your optimism and belief that DCL and Kean will deliver for us, but we most certainly do need to be in the market for a striker.

Now I'm not like the admirable Sam Hoare who has an encyclopedic knowledge of all sorts of players. I only evaluate the players I have the opportunity to see regularly.

For me that is primarily the Brazilian league. I've trumpeted one player in particular - Everton Santos (Cebolinha) of Gremio, but more recently also Gabigol of Flamengo.

Now the two faced each other in a crucial first leg of the semi-final of the continent's CL equivalent, the Libertadores last night. Gremio have good pedigree in this competition: winners two years ago, semi-finalists for the last two seasons.

Flamengo is the form team, running hot and top of the league. Away to Gremio last night they had no less than 3 goals (correctly) ruled out by VAR (two of those finished clinically by Gabigol).

Even then, they should have won, but Cebolinha put in a killer cross and Gremio got out of jail with a draw.

Gabigol just turned 23 in August. Signed by Inter Milan aged 20, bit of a playboy reputation, he barely featured for them, nor Benfica who sent him back after a failed half-season loan.

Returned to struggling Santos on loan last season. His 18 goals helped them raise comfortably to mid-table. Again on loan with Flamengo this season, he is hot-hot-hot.

Do you recall how Suarez almost single-handedly transformed t'other lot into champion challengers? I believe Gabigol, his personality, the way he plays, his goalscoring, could be similarly transforming for the team that lands him.

They did a piece on him on a footy show at the weekend. Milan clearly don't believe he is going to cut it with them - they've loaned him out three times! The belief is he can be signed for as 'little' as 100 million Brazilian Reais. That is £20 million, $25 million.

He would be a steal at that price for what he could add to the team.

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

78 Posted 03/10/2019 at 15:02:24
I meant to add a link showcasing Gabigol's goals this season. Here it is:

Link

This isn't even a complete compilation of all his goals.

Now some may say a lot are simple tap ins. They are because Gabigol is on the move, anticipating the pass or rebound.

The Brazilian season finishes in December when he will return to Milan. Each season for the last three years, almost immediately they send him back out on loan.

Somebody, somewhere – and given the age he is, I fancy that somewhere will be in Europe, not Brazil – is going to land a gem of a player for a very cheap price.

Tom Bowers
79 Posted 03/10/2019 at 15:53:18
It's obvious we need a new top class striker but for now I guess we have to go with what we have.

Silva is still not sold on Kean as he is not being selected every game and Calvert-Lewin still has a lot to learn if ever he does.

Add to those two the likes of Niasse, Walcott and Tosun and the outlook is bleak even if Richarleson starts scoring again.

However it is the whole team in different areas that is struggling and I doubt Silva has the smarts to turn them around.

Sam Hoare
80 Posted 03/10/2019 at 16:40:19
Jamie @76, I reckon Brendan would get us to 5th at best. I'm afraid the Leicester team is much better rounded than ours; their central midfield in particular with Tieleman, Ndidi and Madison might be the best in the league bar Man City and maybe RS. I don't know if their squad is up to it and a few serious injuries could hurt them but I don't see more than 2 or 3 of our players max who'd get into their first XI currently.

Jay Wood, would love to see Gabigol given a shot. Think £20m for him would indeed be a bargain. He seems to work so hard and certainly knows where the goal is; which is a great start! Though I suspect that a new striker will not be top of Brands purchase list in January. Maybe a loan?

Kieran Kinsella
81 Posted 03/10/2019 at 16:53:04
Luke Garbutt. Remember him? Nice run in the team for a little bit and we rushed to give him a new five year deal. I'd keep our power dry on DCL for the time being.
Mike Gaynes
82 Posted 03/10/2019 at 17:05:06
Sam #74, Martinez is only 26. And yes, I'd love to see us borrow him from MLS come January. I think once our club and fans got a good look at him, he'd never go back.

Obviously MLS isn't the Premier League, but it's a much higher level than where Haaland's been playing, and a goal a game for three seasons is dazzling at any level. Wearing our shirt, he'd leave Landon Donovan in the dust.

But like you, I'd also love to see Gabigol on loan. Just keep him out of pubs and Volkswagens.

Kieran Kinsella
83 Posted 03/10/2019 at 17:35:04
Mike,

I can't agree on the MLS being "much higher" than Austria or Norway. It's slow, sterile, predictable. Here in KC I watched a few games when Sporting won the title. I was physically sick watching Dom Dywer "star" in that team thinking about how my old PE teacher who played for St Albans in the conference would wipe the floor with him. The MLS was better some years ago but now it's like a game of subbuteo between toddlers. Just horrible to watch.

Terry White
84 Posted 03/10/2019 at 18:06:08
Mike (#82 and #73), Martinez in the Premier League could well be another Almiron who is not setting the world on fire at Newcastle... Atlanta has not done as well this season in the MLS after Almiron left.

I have a neighbour who is an Atlanta season ticket holder who says that Martinez is still scoring goals but is less effective with fewer "good" players with him and I'm not sure being EFC would improve things. We really need someone to create chances for this type of player.

Jay Harris
85 Posted 03/10/2019 at 18:38:32
Jamie,

I'm with Sam. Leicester have much better players and more balance.

I don't rate Silva as high as Rogers but we have to give some allowance for not being able to play Gbamin and Gomes especially after losing Gana and Zouma.

None of which is Siva's fault.

Mike Gaynes
86 Posted 03/10/2019 at 19:05:17
Terry #84, Almiron with the Barcodes is like truffles on a shit sandwich. Bonehead Bruce has no idea what to do with a talent like Almiron -- played him the last three games at right wing for gossakes.

As for Martinez, the guy may have had to change his game somewhat but, with all due respect to your friend in Atlanta, THIS is how he's doing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYc3L3nOonA

I want that in Goodison.

Darren Hind
87 Posted 03/10/2019 at 19:20:47
Some beaut comments on this thread.

Calvert-Lewin will have aged beyond his years when he leaves this club. When He was was 20 they claimed he was 21 when he was 21 they claimed he was 22 and now he's reached the ripe old age of 22 they claim he is "nearly". "almost". "Going on" 23. It's hilarious. I've honestly never seen anything like this about another player

What pleases me is that slowly but surely he is making complete mugs out of all those who have been hammering away at him since he got here.
"We've got better options" they cried, but having spent the cost of a new stadium on exotic foreign forwards... The £1.5m guy who came from the lower leagues and who "isn't good enough" Still has the shirt... All of the superstars have failed.

They said he cant sore, but he just scored four in a week. They claim he should be benched, but nobody else can do his job.

The latest whinge is probably the funniest yet. "None of the top six want him" That's why we can't break into the big time... HELLO!!!

We have about sixteen players who will play regularly this season... Breaking news... None of the top six are interested in any of them... Not one. we signed them all without opposition.

If we didn't give contracts to players who are not wanted by the top six, we would be paying zero wages.

Calvert-Lewin isn't top-six player (My thanks to the footballing Einsteins for telling us that). But at 22 (his real age) and improving. He has a far better chance than most of our other players.

Calvert-Lewin may not be on the immediate shopping lists of the big boys, but as Pep's comments demonstrate. he has already come to their attention any further improvement will attract genuine interest.

At 22 he is already single-handedly leading the line in the toughest league of all. Do the footballing masterminds actually grasp how difficult that is? Do they have examples of any other young forward doing it? Do they really think that with experience and confidence that he won't get better and increase his value?

Let's struggle like fuck by putting him through his apprenticeship and then let somebody else have the finished article? Pure genius

We should stop fucking about and give him a new contract if only to secure our interest.

Brian Harrison
89 Posted 03/10/2019 at 19:56:40
Darren

You asked in your post does anybody have any examples of any other young forward leading the line and scoring goals.

Tammy Abraham 22 years old
7 Premier League games this season scored 7 goals,
2 Champions League games scored 1 goal.

This is not having a go at Calvert-Lewin who I think most fans want to succeed, but we all get impatient from time to time.

Mike Gaynes
90 Posted 03/10/2019 at 20:04:35
Darren, his contract has another 45 months to run. Seems like "our interest" is pretty secure.

And just out of curiosity, can you cite just one example of a club further extending the contract of an unproven 22-year-old who is already locked in for the next four years?

You can call it "fucking about" if you want to. I call it common sense.

David Pearl
91 Posted 03/10/2019 at 20:06:54
Last year Moshiri stated that we can buy players but can't shut the door on players coming through. We can't attract the finished article superstar but we can attract younger players with huge potential. Thats exactly what we've bought. All of them.

We've put a lot on Calvert-Lewin s shoulders and have backed him being here for the next while. He needs a couple of Sharpy like screamers to convince a few people maybe. We have Kean and Richarlison both young. We have obviously scouted these players and hope they improve to the level we need to take us to the next... erm, level.

Leicester have Maddison and Tielemans they have put faith in. Vardy can't have long left. They are well balanced and well-coached. It's early days and they might not be as good as people think they are. And we might not be as bad.

I don't think we should buy anyone in January. Maybe the next shopping list will be a center-back and another midfielder. For now, with Richarlison, Calvert-Lewin, Bernard, Iwobi, Kean, Walcott... and Sigurdsson we have a team that should be able to cause anyone problems. It comes back to the coach.

Someone mentioned how Silva has had Gomes and Gbamin injured. So what. Koeman and Allardyce had the while back 4 out and that was ignored because of the recruitment being all over the place.

Funny how Leicester have not suffered for us poaching Walsh. It must've been a big joke and they sold us the wrong mastermind. Fuckers.

Jerome Shields
92 Posted 03/10/2019 at 20:38:55
Calvert-Lewin should be on a better contract. If he put in a transfer request it surprising what Clubs would offer for him.

He plays well in a under-performing team. A great and timely article Tony. I did not know he was on £35, 000 per week, it's ridiculous what Toxin and Niasse are on in comparison.

Martin Mason
93 Posted 03/10/2019 at 20:51:44
Calvert-Lewin is being hung out to dry by Silva. Silva only knows 433 and yet we can't play it because we don't have the midfield players. As a result Calvert-Lewin gets thrown forward on his own to try to salvage what is a fault of the system.

In a side that can play 4-3-3 like Liverpool, Man City or Bayern he could be brilliant, with his skills he could play in midfield or perhaps as a Beckenbauer like central defender. We have ruined many good young players and he looks like the next.

Trevor Peers
94 Posted 03/10/2019 at 21:17:48
Why should the average supporter be concerned about the contractual arrangements of any player in our club. Who gives a toss.

WOW, wake up guys this has nothing to do with us there all millionaires anyway. Don't waste your time fretting over Calvert-Lewin's wages he's doing just fine.

Rob Marsh
95 Posted 03/10/2019 at 21:40:32
Leave contract renewal for another year or two and see if any other clubs come in for him?

I doubt there will be queues forming for his services, we might even get him cheaper that we already are now?

He's scored a few goals recently against a Championship side (that didn't turn up) and headed one home from a nanometre unopposed.

We've already done something like this before, remember Anachibe? Calvert-Lewin will need to improve (a lot!).

Tony Abrahams
96 Posted 03/10/2019 at 21:43:10
Martin @93, some very good points mate, but I honestly think that having to play without enough support is turning Calvert-Lewin into a man, so hopefully this might actually help to improve him in the long-term?
Jamie Crowley
97 Posted 03/10/2019 at 22:38:49
Trevor @ 94 -

I give a toss! I actually enjoy the whole business end of sport. It interests me. When I go into "kid imagination" mode and think, "What would I do?" That's usually as the owner or a GM (DOF), not the manager or a player.

How would I secure financing for a stadium? Would I sign this player? Who would I free-up finances to sign? Who would I let go because the value isn't there? Do I think this kid has a future? Should we sign this young kid / extend his contract? Etc.

And, I think any fan should take passing interest in the finances of the Club. Even if you're not an expert in finance or business. Why?

Portsmouth, Leeds, Sporting Bankruptcy, Administration FC, etc.

It matters. I care. Ergo, I play the silly, meaningless game in my head of, "What would I do?"

But I'm odd. And you're correct - it's absolutely meaningless and has nothing to do with me. I can't help myself.

Jamie Crowley
98 Posted 03/10/2019 at 22:50:49
Jay @ 77 -

You're probably correct. To say we need a striker is obvious. Considering my position more, and trying to be more concise I'd say this.

I don't believe we can buy any striker that will change our fortunes in the present. So, I'd rather save the money presently.

However I will say I'd love it if we sign Everton. Not because I've seen him play and think he's the answer to our problems. But because I want Everton to sign for Everton.

It's just too sophomorically perfect, the name thing. And I'm such a deep thinker. (Sarcasm!) Every time the guy would play, I'd have a shit-eating grin on my face.

And I trust your evaluation. I'm sure he's a player. You and a few others have said as much.

But right now I'm "stick" on just about everything concerning Everton FC. Stand pat, see where we go, adjust minimally in January and only if it makes economic sense, and then re-tool in the summer.

And if we're not pushing the Big Boys next season? Turn over the applecart and bring in a new manager. Three years, be patient, then be ready to do whatever must be done to either push on, or slap a new face on our fortunes.

David Pearl
99 Posted 03/10/2019 at 23:30:33
Martin.

Of course we could play 4-3-3. We do have the players. Silva has not tried this once. Not a single time. How anyone can say it's his preferred formation is beyond me.

He has the players. Too many players. He just can't coach them. Simple. Siggy isn't lacking pace he could play in the 3 up from or in the 3 in midfield. Bernard could play in the 3 in midfield and so could Iwobi.

It's about the manager and him trusting in himself, the players and the tactics. He's not up to it.

David Thomas
100 Posted 04/10/2019 at 00:50:13
Darren, most of our players wouldn't get in a top 6 team, I agree. So what's the point of extending one of those players' contracts when it's still got nearly 4 years to run anyway??
Colin Metcalfe
101 Posted 04/10/2019 at 00:55:42
“Most of our players wouldn't get in to a top six team.” eh.. did anyone catch the Man Utd v Arsenal game?
Darren Hind
102 Posted 04/10/2019 at 03:49:02
David Thomas

Non of the top clubs showed even the remotest interest in any of the 15/16 average players we have spent fortunes on.
Most of our players will never play for a top club. Those who have, were there fleetingly and have been removed from the wage bill.
So they came to here and warra ya know ? They are earning beyond their wildest, In some cases, more than players who ARE good enough to play at the top.
You ignore all of that and concentrate on the guy who cost next to nothing and earns less than all of them. .

I've never been sucked in to the mad arsed hype of big money signings. I tend to look at the player rather than the price tag. I don't just hammer away at players who cost nothing. When we signed people like Sigurdsson, Keane, Mina, Walcott, Tosun, Kean, IWobi and more, I thought we were squandering money and I said so.

I don't mind top players earning top dollar, but when I think of the wages we pay these second raters I feel sick. Bramley Moore could have been paid for if we hadnt made these idiotic signings.

When I look at this squad and weigh it up. I would say Calvert- Lewin has a better chance of playing for a top club than any of the others. I'm not saying he will, but I am saying the others wont. . Yet he is the one you want to call out and deny a pay rise.

This club as learned nothing. We waited for years to offer Barkley (another player who would "never play for a top club") a new contract. "Plenty of time" they said. . "Let him earn it"
By the time we did, he had already been seduced by other suitors ( funnily enough, top clubs). He fucked off and all those who had battered away at him for years, then blamed him for the chicken feed we received for him.

Darren Hind
103 Posted 04/10/2019 at 07:48:52
Brian (Harrison)

You are altering my question to suit your answer. You don't have an answer to the question I asked. Nobody does.

Abrahams is the flavor of the month (they always crop up in DCL reated threads), but if you think he is leading the line single handedly, you simply havent watched Chelsea under Lampard.

Willian is playing the most advanced football of his career. Mount is invited to get forward and stay forward. Lampard wants his team to play like Klopps, his team will turn to three up top at the point of transition.
Calvert-Lewin on the other hand would have to employ sniffer dogs to find support and most of the work he is asked to do is 30-40 yards out with his back to goal. He probably goes to bed dreaming of playing the Abraham role, with all that freedom and support.

If you are going to compare DCL with a Chelsea player, compare him with Giroud. He's the guy Lampard wheels out when he wants to go all negative and play one up top

Tony Abrahams
104 Posted 04/10/2019 at 08:16:04
Colin@101, I can't believe how far the mighty have fallen mate, which only makes our own poor form so much harder to take.

Very good post that Darren, but we have replaced pace and energy, with a snail and a tortoise, and it's killing us at the minute.

Alan McGuffog
105 Posted 04/10/2019 at 08:20:23
Jamie 98. I'm not intending to pick holes in your comment. It did make me smile though. I recall the days of Bingham, Howard's early years, Mike soddin' Walker getting to March and saying " let's get these last six games out of the way and re group for next season ".
Seems like that mind set has crept in already and it's only just October. 😂
Roll on 20/21. There's always jam tomorrow
David Thomas
106 Posted 04/10/2019 at 08:37:46
Darren,

I still don’t understand why you want to give someone with 4 years left on his current contract a new one. He’s hardly pulling up any trees is he. That’s not just DCL that’s any of our current squad. I don’t think any of them have justified and extended contract on more money.

Ray Roche
107 Posted 04/10/2019 at 08:44:40
Darren, you're nutting a brick wall. Some on here would give Calvert-Lewin stick if he scored five against the RS but missed a half chance.

The lad will never be any good in some people's eyes.

Brian Harrison
108 Posted 04/10/2019 at 09:57:28
Darren Hind,

I never altered your question at all you asked could anybody tell you of another young striker leading the line who was doing a better job than Calvert-Lewin.
So I told you that Tammy Abraham had scored 7 league goals this season in 7 games. Now you want to alter your argument: Abraham plays up front on his own, and I have watched Chelsea this season.

Does Abraham have better players around him to help him? Yes, he does. Is he a better striker than Calvert-Lewin? I think he is and seemingly so does the England manager.

Darren Hind
109 Posted 04/10/2019 at 10:29:59
Brian Harrison see if you can spot your own very deliberate attempt to destort the question.

Original Question - "At 22 he is already single handedly to leading the line in the toughest league of all. Do the footballing masterminds actually grasp how difficult that is ? Do they have examples of any other young forward doing it"

Brian Harrison - "Does anyone have any examples of other young forwards leading the line and scoring goals". . Seeing the difference there ?. . The clue is in the words "single handedly"

If (as you claim) you have watched Chelsea you will know TA plays as part of an attacking Three
You will also know DCL plays in isolation.

You told me nothing. There wont be a poster who didnt know about Abrahams purple patch. There are other young strikers scoring more too

You cant and you wont put up the name of another young striker having to lead the line single handedly so you invent another question and answer that instead

Martin Mason
110 Posted 04/10/2019 at 13:53:51
David @99,

Not when he plays 2 defensive mids and plays no other midfielders that are dynamic/intense. Sigurdsson has pace over a short distance but has no engine, compare him with Milner. Tom Davies is perfect as a box-to-box midfielder in 4-3-3 but can't seem to shine in 4-2-3-1. The annoying thing for me I guess are the systems he tries week-in & week-out with the same results.

Alan J Thompson
111 Posted 05/10/2019 at 12:38:15
Does signing players from Barcelona, Juventus, Man City and Arsenal count as no top clubs showing interest or does that come under losing interest? And heaven forbid that any should play for the likes of Brazil, Italy, Columbia or France.
Jim Harrison
112 Posted 05/10/2019 at 13:08:02
Darren 102.

Largely with you, but Barkley isn’t the example I would choose. He has never looked as good as he did at Everton.

Darren Hind
113 Posted 05/10/2019 at 13:54:16
Interesting conversation taking place on sky about Marcus Rashford. It almost Mirrors the ones we have on here about C-L.
Dublin, Merson and Le Tizz all saying he doesnt possess the instinct of a goalscorer.

I was astonished to hear that Rashford has only score one goal from open play since March. Apparently Man United are creating absolutely nothing for their forwards to work on. . Sound familiar ?

Ralph Basnett
114 Posted 05/10/2019 at 17:38:59
Are you his Dad?

Calvert-Lewin is not worth his current contract, never mind a new one. If he needs a huge pay rise to score then he is not the player for us.

I would accept half his salary a week and would get more goals, he is a waste of a squad number, along with quite a few others.

Karl Jones
115 Posted 05/10/2019 at 20:04:24
Sell ASAP. He wouldnt even make a decent Championship striker.
Gaute Lie
116 Posted 11/10/2019 at 15:42:43
Iain #67,

This piece is well worth a read on the subject of Haaland, and RB Salzburg:

Haaland's club is so controversial that fans put together their own protest team – NRK Sports

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