We have had 4 managers in the last 6 years since David Moyes. Roberto Martinez, Ronald Koeman, Big Sam and now Marco Silva. Fair play to Farhad Moshiri that he has gone in big, spending hundreds of millions to try bring back the glory days of the 80s.
We need to maintain a sense of realism. While we have the cash, we do not have the team sadly. We have a team of pansies and a bunch of unrealistic supporters. Against Burnley, Coleman was trying to drive the team forward and was unfortunate with both bookings. Where was the rest of the team? There is no midfield or attack? Our fullbacks are pressing forward. Why do we need two defensive midfielders?
Most people seem to forget that David Moyes teams were hard to beat. Yes, the quality of football was limited to the personnel. However, in his final season, there were some terrific performances despite the lack of resources. Everton qualified for Europe before Moyes left for Man Utd. It was an opportunity to work at a higher level with more resources to test himself. Yet the same supporters who criticize him would do the exact same thing should such an employment opportunity come their way.
I have been saying the same thing for some time before we hired Big Sam and Silva... Bring Back David Moyes. Give him a short-term deal to see if we can grow together. At least we will see a fighting team out on the pitch. No point having 60-70% possession and losing games. I want teams to know they are going to have a bad day at Goodison and not an easy day when we go to their respective grounds.
David Moyes did not get the funds the first time round… let's give him the funds this time round. He'll get rid of the deadwood and the pansies and give us a fighting team. Who knows that this might just be the tonic we need to make the improvements towards becoming a title contender in the next 3 years.
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1 Posted 06/10/2019 at 14:50:24
This is and has been the problem at this club for too long now.
Sell Duncan Ferguson for good money in 1998, let sentimental emotions take over and re-sign him two years later.
Sell Wayne Rooney when he had 10 great years ahead of him in 2004, re-sign him when his legs have gone and his body is fooked.
We have been through 4 managers yet Duncan Ferguson remains as coach, yet more sentimental stuff all great but where is the progressive forward thinking?
Things start going wrong again in 2019, look back to David Moyes.
Trouble is the whole landscape of football has changed now since Moyes managed us, the days of picking up a Mikel Arteta, Tim Cahill, Steven Pienaar, Seamus Coleman have long gone and Moyes stock has fallen greatly since leaving us back in 2013 lets be honest, hes now a very exposed journeyman in the Steve Bruce mould.
You wouldnt see the likes of Spurs or Liverpool looking to make an appointment like that so why, under this so-called ambitious new dawn with Moshiri are we even talking about bringing back Moyes?
Moyes did do a relatively steady job for us but in 11 years at Everton and a further 5 at West Ham, Sunderland and Manchester United combined, hes never recorded a single win at Anfield, Old Trafford, Stamford Bridge or the Emirates and his overall cup record was abysmal.
We need to start thinking big not just plugging holes in a sinking ship.
2 Posted 06/10/2019 at 14:58:14
Moyes did a good job with us, until he had any expectations placed on him. Then he floundered. I cannot stomach an Everton manager being lauded for never looking like winning anything.
He left us, flopped badly at Utd, West Ham, Sunderland and Spain. Hasn't managed in the PL for years. Hasn't managed anywhere for years.
Are we really so backward-thinking that we can seriously consider this?
3 Posted 06/10/2019 at 15:09:08
Wed be better off liquidating the club saving all our time, money and emotional energy than giving Moyes another go. This being us though, you wouldnt completely rule it out. Thats how pathetic we are!
Brands is there so that an out of his depth coach like Silva can be replaced with minimal disruption to the overall plan, presuming there is one.
Silva isnt Brands guy so its time he and Moshiri pick a new one and we can start looking upwards again. If its Moyes Ill personally take a break as I did under that risible oaf and stain on our history, Allardyce.
4 Posted 06/10/2019 at 15:28:45
However, in that period since Moyes left we have gone ridiculously backwards with a series of unambitious so called up and coming managers that have all failed badly. You're right in as much as the club was in a healthy state when Moyes left, just needing a proven winner taking the managers role. It was an attractive position then, even allowing for the fact that Moyes stayed on probably 3 years too long. Instead we went for a manager that had proven he had no idea how to defend and keep players fit. A manager that had just been relegated, a manager that wanted to play like barca but not actually read the blueprint on how to achieve it. We have lost all sense of identity, any kind of leadership or pride on the field and any kind of leadership from the sidelines.
I'm at a loss to suggest who would actually come to us right now. We are a car crash of a club. I'm not even sure if we are any further forward than we were when Moyes first came. Yes we have more talented players now but do they put in as much effort as Walter's teams did at the end of his reign? I'm not sure. At least we knew we were crap then, now we just cling to the hope that we shouldn't be crap but alas that's not transferring tongue field of play. Just read Silvas comments after yesterday saying we will definitely see a reaction after the Burnley game, ffs where was the reaction after Bournemouth or villa or Sheffield united? How have we come to this point? We are a laughing stock. We have taken plucky Everton to a new low. Pat on the head for actually giving city a game then follow it up with absolute dross yesterday. Yes this wouldn't have happened with Moyes but as the others have said, he has fallen flat on his face since leaving. What we need is a proper manager who actually knows what he's doing. Someone who has a plan b and c to go along with plan a.
Moyes was the right man at the time back in the early 2000s, not now. The only saving grace is that moshiri has money to tempt a quality manager. Who that may be is anybody's guess but we cant be having yet another failure. We as fans can see the issues but why cant the club. Why hire relegated managers with no pedigree? Why burden us with Allardyce? Why grovel to koeman when it was blatantly obvious he didn't really want to be here? Allied to that he was hardly pulling up trees at Southampton.
I'm actually quite depressed at the thought of the rest of this season. I thought that after the back end of last season we could go into this quite optimistic. How wrong I was. How can you not take that momentum into a new season? Why chop and change all the time? It was no coincidence that the good run of results was on the back of a settled team.
I think we all realise that Silva is on borrowed time I just hope that this time we can finally get someone who knows football and can get a consistent tune out of a bunch of Ill motivated over pampered players. I don't know who that may be but Moyes mk2 in definitely not the answer
5 Posted 06/10/2019 at 15:33:45
6 Posted 06/10/2019 at 15:35:15
We missed a trick big time when Allardyce left, we should have gone for a proven winner then.
Instead we got a clueless journeyman.
7 Posted 06/10/2019 at 15:41:29
City didnt look that good to me last week against us, just as usual we werent good enough to take any real advantage.
8 Posted 06/10/2019 at 15:43:56
What a fucking season.
9 Posted 06/10/2019 at 15:49:57
10 Posted 06/10/2019 at 15:52:51
Clubs like Palace get at least one win away to the top sides each season, Wolves have been in Turkey on Thursday night yet manage to go and win at the Etihad.
Yet at Everton weve not tasted a victory in 6 years anywhere.
Proper joke club.
11 Posted 06/10/2019 at 15:54:12
Any Everton supporter proposing the dour Scot as a possible candidate (and to me it is disturbing how many are doing just that) has already lost their own self-pride in wishing to see him return.
Never mind his capacities as a football manager, for those of you canvassing for his return, do you seriously not recall the conduct and comments he IMMEDIATELY made on joining United about the club that gave him 11 long years as manager?
12 Posted 06/10/2019 at 16:00:25
13 Posted 06/10/2019 at 16:02:12
I hate football.
14 Posted 06/10/2019 at 16:04:47
15 Posted 06/10/2019 at 16:04:51
Its all well and good saying Liverpool will lose games but thats not taking into the fact that City are going to lose more too, they play the game far too openly so are always exposed at the back, as I say, if we had better quality going forward last week wed have beaten them the chances we had, City were pretty average at Goodison.
16 Posted 06/10/2019 at 16:05:24
17 Posted 06/10/2019 at 16:07:56
18 Posted 06/10/2019 at 16:11:11
No disrespect, but there speaks a man who lives in Brazil!
19 Posted 06/10/2019 at 16:14:56
20 Posted 06/10/2019 at 16:16:59
21 Posted 06/10/2019 at 16:19:15
22 Posted 06/10/2019 at 16:19:24
The brutal truth is that they have had the bragging rights over us for three - more like FOUR decades now.
Doesn't stop us from having a ready quip back from my memory of rapier-sharp scouse humour.
23 Posted 06/10/2019 at 16:23:35
24 Posted 06/10/2019 at 16:24:03
Our dire season, and their triumphant one, is going to be the most miserable combination in many years.
25 Posted 06/10/2019 at 16:30:17
And I'll repeat my original point: we currently have a lot, LOT more to concern ourselves with about OUR club than giving oxygen, column inches or attention to them across the park.
Each to their own, 'n all that.
26 Posted 06/10/2019 at 16:35:04
27 Posted 06/10/2019 at 16:35:19
28 Posted 06/10/2019 at 16:36:46
Consider the two victories we have on the board. Watford, who aretaking a hiding every week. And Wolves who were on the back of a very tough European outing.
This fixture list was extremely kind to us, but with a sting expected once some decent teams start coming our way.
Well they are coming now and we are absolutely shambolic. We have virtually no creativity in this side at all.
A defeat to West Ham at home and surely this means the end for Silva. In fact, anything but a victory should result in the same outcome.
I am all for giving a manager time. And I did have confidence in Silva. But these results are simply not good enough and the performances show little hope for improvement. This is an extensively assembled squad, much of it now his and there is no clear indication of what it is trying to do.
Fatally, he is putting a team onto the park each week which cannot defend set pieces and cannot create chances nor score goals.
Is Moyes the answer? Most certainly not. The suggestion alone is embarrassing and cringeworthy.
Who is? That is a task for Marcel Brands. But this club requires a winning manager and I believe a manager that is a huge character.
For me, Mourinho fits the bill. He is a proven winner.
He needs a project to revitalise him. He needs a project where it is not just trying to sign expensive players for big clubs. He needs to show his ability to build a winning team. I think he still has this.
He would provide Everton with a big club mentality.
He would improve our defence instantly.
He would attract a level of player that we may currently be unable to get.
He would take our club to the away grounds of the big 6 and put them onto the park with a way of winning that match.
29 Posted 06/10/2019 at 16:49:05
30 Posted 06/10/2019 at 16:54:28
I thought everyone was in agreement we don't want another relegation manager.
31 Posted 06/10/2019 at 17:02:25
But the amazing spawniness of Old Nick, must surely run out soon. They seem to get the most ridiculous penalties like yesterday and dodgy free kicks like at Chelsea, and are almost immune to yellow and red cards.
But importantly where do we go from here, what really do they feed the players in Finch Farm, but how will we ever be a free scoring team, with a spread of goals, from across this team?
Its as if we play intentionally not to score and to make scoring as remote as possible. The game management from any dead ball is back to haunt us again from last season.
Leicester, Liverpool, Chelsea, United and Arsenal soon. The reality of being stuck at the bottom is increasingly likely bar a massive mind set change of the manager an£ his coaches and the first team squad.
We need a miracle.
32 Posted 06/10/2019 at 17:08:11
Clearly Marco needs to go, but also equally now is not the best time to get a good appointment. What we need is somebody to steer the ship home for six months, somebody who gets the club, and is a safe pair of hands, is available and won't cost the earth and try and rip us off the way Allardyce did.
Give it to Moyes, and say "If you do a really good job, you'll be considered for the job permanently in the summer."
33 Posted 06/10/2019 at 17:17:49
That's what I thought.
34 Posted 06/10/2019 at 17:24:39
there are very few reliable fire-fighters out there. I can think of three. one is with Palace, and we've employed the other two.
So, we need one. Which one is it to be?
35 Posted 06/10/2019 at 17:25:10
A big-name manager with a proven track record like Mourinho, who would command the respect of the players is what we need, not some tired old dour man with the charisma of an old Scotch pie.
36 Posted 06/10/2019 at 17:27:22
He's been out of the game for a year, and the last job he did was exactly what he was asked to do: keep West Ham up.
37 Posted 06/10/2019 at 17:28:19
38 Posted 06/10/2019 at 17:30:09
As for those fans who think we did well only losing 3-1 to Man City last week, look at Wolves' result today. Evertonians are zombies walking into oblivion with Kenwright and friends.
39 Posted 06/10/2019 at 17:38:42
Moyes back to Everton? Absolutely not and under no circumstances.
Can we please talk sense.
40 Posted 06/10/2019 at 17:39:49
If David Moyes is the correct answer then you are asking yourselves the wrong question.
Stop it. Stop it now.
41 Posted 06/10/2019 at 17:40:59
We all could come up with a list of managers that we would prefer, in my case Simeone, but the likelihood of a manager presently in the employ of a remotely successful club is just wishful thinking. Similarly, I dislike managers like Benitez who seem to prefer players of his own nationality and whose thoughts on Everton should veto any employment with us, you can't have employees who start from a position of disrespect. Also we must rule out managers like Mourinho who would demand more in transfer money that we are probably allowed or could afford. Even with a billionaire owner we cannot spend all his money and FFP demands we stay within our income limits.
So that leaves us with either up and coming managers from abroad who seem to be playing entertaining and improving football or those presently with mid-table EPL sides.
42 Posted 06/10/2019 at 18:02:24
43 Posted 06/10/2019 at 18:20:12
Silva is given a few more games to turn it around (likely Id say)
Fails to do so, so is relieved of his duties in November (not unbelievable)
Everton look to appoint a stop gap for the rest of the season to steady the ship whilst assessing who should be a long term replacement (again not unbelievable)
They bring in Moyes. Brands ok with this so long as Brands gets to bring in his chosen manager in the summer (a bit far fetched, but not dissimilar to the Allardyce scenario)
Brands tells Moshiri he wants Cocu, so we go and get him - Cocu comes in with his coaching staff currently at Derby. Moyes is out al la Sam (again, a lot of ifs and buts, but possible)
Rooney is back at the club as a coach
44 Posted 06/10/2019 at 18:27:47
45 Posted 06/10/2019 at 18:36:52
PLEASE, do not take this as a personal attack, it really is NOT.
No stop gap measures.
We have been in stop gap mode since blessed Joe Royle rescued us. Then of course our shithouses in the boardroom, (including "The Gushing One") declined to back a winner.
46 Posted 06/10/2019 at 18:38:35
I could live on Mars and still see Moyes is not, and never has been the answer. I genuinely cannot understand how any fan would want Moyes back, Really please explain.
so we can have another 11 years of finishing seventh ? What the fuck is wrong with you people!
47 Posted 06/10/2019 at 18:51:45
I dont want Moyes back, but there are scenarios at the club that could lead to this. A stop gap could well happen - Moyes, Unsworth etc. Ill clarify again - not something I am advocating.
48 Posted 06/10/2019 at 19:01:35
And before anyone says "He called us a small club", YES he did. Get over it.
Here's My reasons why I'd back him 100% from moment one.
1] He WINS TROPHIES.
2] He succeeded at Chelsea when they openly HATED him.
3] He achieved #2 without a single negative reference by him before or since about them.
4] He defied their animosity and departed with dignity. (Just run that measure alongside Fat Slug allardyce, who still wakes up early to to hate us longer every day).
5] He knows how to win BIG GAMES, and does so time and again.
Now, just suppose, that he became Our manager, then got us winning, then won a trophy, then a few more, then became our most successful manager. Just think who then gets accused of having a pact with Hades ?
Think about ramming that into their faces when they sing "Judas ! Judas ! Judas".
Alternatively of course, you could safely throw us back into the hands of dithersome david who has an allergy to silver.
Anthony, I'd spotted that in your preface and respect your conjecture, but there are some hereabouts when times are shite who can't wait to take a hissy fit, throw up their petticoats and flounce to the wings in sheer horror. (Perhaps this is engendered by having a Pantomime Dame as a Senior Board member for three plus decades, "Oh, NO it isn't !).
49 Posted 06/10/2019 at 19:08:59
I would simply point out that assuming Brands is making the call this time, he has absolutely no previous connection with Moyes (neither does Moshiri), so the ginger one's past Everton association is utterly irrelevant.
50 Posted 06/10/2019 at 19:21:14
51 Posted 06/10/2019 at 19:28:45
52 Posted 06/10/2019 at 20:22:19
LFC and City have the top two wrapped up. But for me, 3rd and 4th are very much up for grabs. Therefore Champions League football.
What aggravates me is that clubs like Leicester and West Ham are in prime position to capitalise.
This could potentially be the catalyst for great future success.
This opportunity will not be ours. The opportunity had been missed.
And I feel quite sick about it all
53 Posted 06/10/2019 at 20:48:12
54 Posted 06/10/2019 at 21:04:38
Case of mistaken identity..?
Poorly constructed post..?
Read my post @ 11 and my sentiments about Moyes returning to Everton ever again in any capacity.
I couldn't be more categorical in my total opposition to such a suggestion.
55 Posted 06/10/2019 at 22:02:04
Who next, Mike fuckin' Walker?
56 Posted 06/10/2019 at 22:45:57
Let's face it, no matter how many £££'s are waved about, which top manager wants a relegation fight???
57 Posted 06/10/2019 at 22:54:23
58 Posted 06/10/2019 at 23:16:38
We don't need someone who can perform miracles on a shoestring budget. We need someone who has already managed top players and got the best out of them, a respected proven winner to turn us into the club we deserve to be.
59 Posted 06/10/2019 at 23:26:07
I hope I don't have a nightmare even thinking about it.
60 Posted 06/10/2019 at 23:43:37
- didn't last a single season at Manchester United
- barely lasted a full season with Real Sociedad
- oversaw a wire-to-wire relegation with Sunderland
- was even more underwhelming at West Ham than Fat Sam was for us (and that's saying something)
Also, he'll "get rid of the pansies"? Give me a break. And what, bring in a bunch of carthorses and journeymen so we can grind out a few 1-0 wins over the rabble and get our skulls caved in by the top six? Yeah, no thanks.
Don't get me wrong, something needs to change here, but I can't believe people think we need a firefighter, just EIGHT MATCHES into the season. It's like saying the RS should have hired Allardyce instead of Klopp after they sacked Rodgers.
61 Posted 06/10/2019 at 00:02:06
62 Posted 07/10/2019 at 00:20:17
I honestly can't understand any Evertonian that doesn't appreciate Moyes. Every manager since has been sacked. I honestly can't remember Moyes's job ever being in danger. A great Everton man in my book and I'd love to see him back. You're all nuts.
63 Posted 07/10/2019 at 00:22:49
64 Posted 07/10/2019 at 00:36:58
Regardless of how long they have been here, 5 minutes or 10 years. Somebody who doesn't care that nearly 40 years ago we challenged for honours for a 3-year period and still today consider ourselves a big club. I don't know who it could be but he must be out there somewhere.
65 Posted 07/10/2019 at 00:49:06
I don't need to know what Moyes did at other clubs. I know very well what he did for us and for 10 years he had us banging our heads on a glass ceiling bringing knives to gun-fights whether we like to admit it or not.
66 Posted 07/10/2019 at 01:02:56
For years we have been crying out for a winner, so let's make it happen Everton. If not then I can see us drifting into obscurity and becoming another Tranmere.
Oh, and if the Dark Side win the league and build their 70,000 plus extension, then will we ever get out of their shadow?
Crazy times ahead.
COYB grow a set.
67 Posted 07/10/2019 at 01:58:47
Guess where they are? Top of the flipping league! Benfica, Porto looking down at the flipping lot. We got the wrong end of the team.
Silva looks lost, no ideas, dejected, totally out of his depth without Sousa.
Has nobody worked it out yet? Mr Moshiri hired Silva, but he came with Sousa and others. How has Sousa gone to the newly-promoted side and sit on top of the league? We're left with a manager who clearly can't do it on his own.
Take a look at the Portuguese Premier League. We need to do a full enquiry into how we employed a team of two. One leaves, we're nearly bottom of Premier League and our ex-No 2, now manager, is top of his league with a newly-promoted team.
Questions to be asked.
We need to sort ourselves out and ensure we are not in a relegation battle. I've never been for changing managers like musical chairs, but I am seriously worried Marco Silva can't do it on his own. The evidence is in front of us.
Do it now.
Get David Moyes back here, get us playing our way, ensure we stay in the Premier League, sort ourselves out after 4 years of... what?
Stability, our way, then think about a top-six position.
Adrian Evans, season ticket holder since 1962.
68 Posted 07/10/2019 at 01:59:22
I don't actually warm to him. In fact I have loathed him. But that is really neither here nor there. He is a winner. Would he come to Everton? Why not. A Premier League job, a challenge.
Of course he would like to be Liverpool manager but Klopp is going nowhere soon. He will leave Rangers. He will go to the Premier League and he will succeed. Can you imagine the response of the RS if this happened?
When we play West Ham, I would like a winner in the dugout. Not the defeated, bewildered, clueless specimen we have now.
69 Posted 07/10/2019 at 02:13:18
70 Posted 07/10/2019 at 02:47:30
Out of nothing he created a team that challenged for European places and in four occasions qualified. By the time he left, we'd become the best of the rest, despite negative spends. He bought players for buttons and sold them for millions. He had passion on the touch line, he had a team that fought for us. He had red hair but we didn't care. Davey, Davey Moyes.
71 Posted 07/10/2019 at 03:27:20
Let's go back to when times were good. Nostalgia is a safe, happy place.
I want a summer day when I was a kid.
Moyes coming back is as delusional as thinking you'll be 9 again, running through the grass without a care in the world, summer sun warm on your back.
Please stop taking drugs and posting.
Summer! Oh, oh oh! Oh, oh, oh, Summertime Rolls!
Me and my girlfriend, don't wear no clothes. You know, her nose is painted pepper Sunlight.
72 Posted 07/10/2019 at 03:30:54
73 Posted 07/10/2019 at 05:09:27
What sort of example do you think he sets for the younger lads.
No to Rooney, No to Moyes, No to Kenwrights favoured few.
Lets have a clean sheet of paper and a proper roadmap to success.
74 Posted 07/10/2019 at 05:25:56
Drenthe and Shandy Andy would be in their element without the car breaking down and parked around the corner. Gibson could drive everyone home and if the Coach complained that Lookman doesn't put his all in at training it could be said that the answer is in his name.
And with Wayne in charge we'd all be tweeting who he had on the bench, how he plays those through balls and what position to take between the lines.
75 Posted 07/10/2019 at 05:30:30
76 Posted 07/10/2019 at 05:52:38
In this case LSD would stand for Let's Sign David.
And it would be a baaaaaaad trip.
77 Posted 07/10/2019 at 05:53:14
Good one Andy, mate. You posted this looking for a bite. Well you have one.
No doubt that SG is a winner with a winners mentality. His early steps into management do indeed to be planted and firm.
But not in a million years would he join us. He hates Everton Football Club and Evertonians. He has overtly looked down his nose at our club for a long time.
And I for one do not want him.
If we pursued him, he would make it known very publicly that it was happening and would very publicly turn us down in order to further solidify his influence at Anfield. Leaving us humiliated once again.
He is the next LFC manager, whether this be in 2 years time or 10. Its happening.
I do not want to allow this man any opportunity for yet another dig at my club.
Andy, seriously reflect on your post.
78 Posted 07/10/2019 at 07:16:26
79 Posted 07/10/2019 at 08:25:59
80 Posted 07/10/2019 at 08:36:45
81 Posted 07/10/2019 at 11:34:15
82 Posted 07/10/2019 at 13:33:50
We need a shift change regarding a manager, we need to be ambitious and go for a proven manager, rather than an unproven (or, in Moyes's case, a past-it) manager.
The owner needs to be ambitious and ruthless, why suffer mediocrity? Have a plan and be ruthless in getting there.
83 Posted 07/10/2019 at 14:30:55
Is your fertile imagination on overdrive again???
84 Posted 07/10/2019 at 16:27:55
85 Posted 07/10/2019 at 16:38:41
So no to the "old boys" ticket of Neville and Moyes but instead we go for the "old boys" ticket of Arteta and Cahill, one of whom has no managerial experience the other of whom has no coaching experience whatsoever.
86 Posted 07/10/2019 at 16:42:39
87 Posted 07/10/2019 at 16:44:10
88 Posted 07/10/2019 at 17:07:51
For all those who were and still are disgusted with the appointment of Sam Allardyce, he finished 8th. I wasn't particularly impressed with him being here, but he did what he was paid to do. How many of his detractors would settle for 8th right now?
Now, considering Everton are (and have been for a while) something of a basket-case club, who do we want to bail us out this time? Oh yeah… Mourinho, Mancini, Bielsa Simeone... give me fucking strength. I can't in my wildest imagination see any of those even considering the position.
This season as it stands right now, for me and countless other supporters, has 'Relegation' stamped all over it. The club needs someone short term with the personality and wherewithal to drag it through to the end of the season, hopefully retaining its Premier League status.
Not Benitez... why? Oh, he had a dig at us – well, boo fucking hoo. Not Moyes... why? Because he left under circumstances that some people on here and elsewhere cannot forgive – well, boo fucking hoo again.
If they don't get the timing and replacement right, our club will be in the Championship next season; please don't anyone think that "We're too good to go down..." I won't bore you with the clubs that have thought that way and suffered the ignominy of relegation.
So yes, in our present predicament, with the team performing as awfully as I can recall for a long, long time, I would have Moyes back in a heartbeat.
Silva has, unfortunately for us been found out, his pitchside demeanour is toe-curlingly embarrassing to witness, and the body language of the players under his tutelage, even more so.
So if Silva is to go, then it's Moyes for me.
89 Posted 07/10/2019 at 17:12:16
90 Posted 07/10/2019 at 17:17:07
91 Posted 07/10/2019 at 17:19:10
92 Posted 07/10/2019 at 17:22:36
Just reiterating his Sunderland pep talk, which he was foolish enough to recount in public.
94 Posted 07/10/2019 at 18:45:13
95 Posted 07/10/2019 at 21:36:45
96 Posted 07/10/2019 at 21:55:08
Thanks for that, you've cheered me up with that joke.
Some people are complaining that we dare to contemplate getting Rafa in as he made a tongue-in-cheek comment about the club when Moyes played us like a fiddle and was always going to replace Ferguson at Man Utd and who tried to shaft us when he got there! So, no thanks!
97 Posted 07/10/2019 at 22:11:01
I have no idea what made him qualified for the job in the first place. I do know what made Allardyce qualified. 8th with the squad he had, rubbish wasn't he.
I've a feeling we will stick with Silva, let him put a run together and finish 8th without a trophy. And then sack him so we can move forwards with a real manager.
98 Posted 08/10/2019 at 07:28:47
Sean Dyche is the modern day Moyes and is does what he does well and Dyche is not the answer either. He is a derivative of the Big Sam school of football.
There has got to be better options for us than these type of managers, whilst they are good at what they do and keep clubs with small resources in the league, it is very debatable that they could deliver with more resources [eg Moyes's abject failure at Man Utd ].
There will be better options than these and there needs to be if we are going to be a progressive club.
99 Posted 08/10/2019 at 08:46:55
So Brands is not untouched by the latest managerial failure.
And with regards to the Moyes - most hate him for the "plucky Everton" attitude. I would quite happily have plucky Everton right now rather than lie down and die and surrender Everton.
100 Posted 08/10/2019 at 09:23:36
101 Posted 08/10/2019 at 11:05:31
102 Posted 08/10/2019 at 11:30:58
Adrian if the move comes off that offer will stand firm, the ticket is for The Upper Bullens, a very good speck.
103 Posted 08/10/2019 at 11:44:07
104 Posted 08/10/2019 at 12:11:06
Chris Wilder 5\1
David Moyes 10\1
How uninspiring is that!
Seriously, how many times have folk on here looked at Chris Wilder and thought; "I really wish he was Everton's Manager or I wish Moyes would come back".
Have some ambition for Christ sakes; pay Mourinho whatever he wants. Even if he'll only stay for a short term. He won the Europa League with United with a shit team.
105 Posted 08/10/2019 at 12:19:18
Brands will have a huge say in whoever is to be next Manager.
106 Posted 08/10/2019 at 12:30:06
He will never come to plucky Everton not even for money. Its all about image and perception with Mourinho, by accepting a job with us it would be like he is admitting he is no longer an elite manager.
Will never happen,
People can name a big list of foreign managers but the reality is our next manager will likely come from the Dutch league due to the brands connection.
For me rather than Moyes, I'd give Dyche two years and let him strip the club and get us into a hardworking, proud unit again that plays for the shirt.
107 Posted 08/10/2019 at 13:24:05
It's not like Everton haven't got the squad or the money to compete anymore; it's just that the quality in the squad is being grossly mismanaged.
The biggest concern with Mourinho is that he doesn't favour youth, but who cares about that if he can deliver some silverware.
P.S. A big no to Dyche for me - just more of the same shite.
108 Posted 08/10/2019 at 14:20:21
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110 Posted 08/10/2019 at 16:06:20
There is a big name we can go for who can make us hard to beat and get us winning games with ease, with no poaching necessary
He is a no brainer. FFS
111 Posted 08/10/2019 at 16:07:50
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113 Posted 08/10/2019 at 20:12:27
114 Posted 08/10/2019 at 20:13:08
peius facere potuimus Moyes
115 Posted 08/10/2019 at 20:16:06
116 Posted 08/10/2019 at 20:19:55
Davies Digne Delph
Baines Mina Keane Coleman
He would expect Baines/Bernard to re-enact the old Pienaar/Baines double act. Digne just gets to sit in center midfield because "he is the best player." Kean out wide to run down blind channels like Anichebe did. He'd expect Davies to pick up where Tim left off, and Delph is thee because the other options are too flash. I imagine we would be really boring to watch and create few opportunities. It would be awful
117 Posted 08/10/2019 at 21:21:33
Relegation seems to be an essential requirement for Everton managers these days
118 Posted 08/10/2019 at 23:40:33
Moyes has nothing to offer at this level anymore. I'd call him yesterdays man but he's not even that as he's never really done anything.
119 Posted 08/10/2019 at 23:52:13
120 Posted 08/10/2019 at 00:09:54
He was well rewarded until Ferguson, a good friend of Moyes's dad, gave the nod to get him to Old Trafford. I wonder if he still regrets it… what a bloomer, I never begrudged him the move, just delighted we were rid of him.
I wrote a letter to the Echo a week after he had gone, "Free at last, Free at last, Free at last" was the headline, a play on Martin Luther King's speech in Washington, what a relief it was to me that he had gone.
Anyway, Andy, I hope you are keeping okay and enjoying life, although I know it will be hard for you the way Everton are performing, see you in the new year most probably if Mike Gaynes makes a return to Goodison.
121 Posted 09/10/2019 at 00:16:46
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124 Posted 09/10/2019 at 01:01:47
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126 Posted 09/10/2019 at 01:20:19
I know its the International Break and there's not much on, even so, I haven't got that much time that I am willing to waste it giving you and anybody else chapter and verse on just why not. The Moyes supporters will not be convinced and the veterans of Tony Marsh's MOB don't need telling.
So, for that reason, I'm out... unless somebody comes out with such outlandishness that I can't help myself, which does occur.
127 Posted 09/10/2019 at 01:38:04
Jerome @ 95; too late. 'Moynes' it must forever be when you write on here.
128 Posted 09/10/2019 at 02:05:07
129 Posted 09/10/2019 at 02:21:34
130 Posted 09/10/2019 at 08:24:57
However we failed so often to trouble the bigger sides and our away form was poor. I also saw plenty of us away from home under him. The resluts were often bad and the football quality made what we have seen this season look like Brazil 1970.
131 Posted 09/10/2019 at 08:57:09
Howe left Burnley because his family wanted to return to the south coast.
“Personal reasons” it said at the time.
132 Posted 09/10/2019 at 21:56:16
Man City weren't even in the Premier League! That's how different the top four was then! The "Big Six" didn't even exist. Not even a Big Four.
So this weird idea that Moyes is our saviour is an utterly crazy delusion. Saying that he'd be better with present money is utter bullshit because no-one had our level of money then.
133 Posted 10/10/2019 at 09:31:16
So, when people talk about Moyes breaking the "Big 4" with Everton I just shake my head. It was a fantastic achievement considering the season Everton had in 03-04, but there certainly wasn't an established top group of the league.
Anyway, back to Moyes returning; I'm a proud MOB man and if he returns I'll probably just concentrate on NBA until he's gone. It's got nothing to do with how he left. I was happy he left and felt justified for not liking him when he acted like a tit once he was gone. I've always said the club shouldn't have caved in 2008 and that was the best time to move him on.
Likewise to Moyes comments after leaving, I really don't care about Rafa's comments about the club when he was at Liverpool. I know some supporters really took that to heart, but really, he was known for saying fairly outlandish things to get a rise out of people every now and then. I think he's a fantastic option for the club.
135 Posted 10/10/2019 at 19:01:12
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139 Posted 12/10/2019 at 20:14:15
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142 Posted 14/10/2019 at 13:03:05
Jeez, it took me two fucking years folks before I could watch Oldham's winner against us in the Cup years ago, the most pissed off and boiling with rage I have ever been with my club. That night, I wanted Moyes, Kenwright and all the fucking rest of the shower of shite board we had (and still do) drove outta fucking town...
I swear we had one hand on the Cup (Man City won it) and totally fucked it up at home... perennial losers again.
As a British lower league scout with us, yes. As next Boss... No, Never!
143 Posted 14/10/2019 at 17:32:24
And he knows how Everton works, fnar, fnar
144 Posted 16/10/2019 at 19:33:03
He's proved at ManU he can't turn an expensive and talented team around even with money to spend!
Allow him near what's remaining of Moshiri's funds?
145 Posted 16/10/2019 at 19:43:03
Exchange of views or like me, a bit of time to fill and begging for a game of bloody football?!
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