Apparently, the much-maligned Steve Walsh had lined up transfers for Harry Maguire, Andy Robertson and current Champions League top-scorer, Erling Braut Håland, only to be shot down by the club.
Does this change any minds about Walsh's record at the Club? And is this just another example of why Everton always will disappoint? Failures to recognize an opportunity when it comes?
Or would all the three above-mentioned players have been on the scrapheap today if they had signed for us? We seem to do that more often than most clubs with promising players we buy. Here's the source at Goal.com:Everton passed on £3m Haaland & £20m double deal for Maguire & Robertson – Walsh
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1 Posted 19/11/2019 at 07:06:45
Bringing in more new players at a time when we already had a bloated staff roster would have simply exacerbated the problems we had.
Presumably the fact that Brands brought Zouma, and then Sidibe, in on loan tells us that he is working strictly within the budget given to him by the club.
Identifying players from smaller clubs and negotiating prices is presumably the simpler part of the equation.
2 Posted 19/11/2019 at 07:58:09
He comes across as pretentious, egotistical and frankly an old school duffer in the Allardyce mould.
I read Klaassen's piece too and if I did not know better, Walsh actively sought to undermine Koeman. It can't be a co-incidence that we hired Allardyce & Shakespeare - who he reveals he was good mates with/worked before with - after Koeman left.
His son and brother are agents too if I am not mistaken and I would be interested to see how many deals they were involved in (not likely to get this info).
As for the scouting I think his reputation is over blown. Put his total record - including his horrific signings at Everton and some of the suffers he bought for City - alongside Brands (at all his clubs) and you conclude they both recruited notable jewels.
I think over the last 5 years (when Walsh came to Prominence) scouting has taken a quantum leap.
He also claims he told Mourinho that Lukaku was a "big baby". Well fuck me any Evertonian could have told Mourinho that. This was the time Man Utd signed Lukaku from Everton. Walsh was at the club (and failed to replace him). So, he admits to making a disclosure which might have undermined a transfer his own club was making.
All in all, well rid of him.
3 Posted 19/11/2019 at 08:29:28
If I told you the kid he drove had just played a game before he got in the car, then alls I can think is what a fuckin football man Walsh must be. He could tell Mourinho, what everyone knew, but he couldnt talk football to one of our younger players?
I fuckin despise phoneys like this, who are alright talking to reporters, but cant utter a word to the person next to them, and Im still trying to work out what was in that brief-case when he went to Italy. This is actually the same man that said Michael Keane would be a mainstay of the England team for years, which tells me everything I need to know about his fucking talent spotting.
4 Posted 19/11/2019 at 09:14:59
While I have no doubt he wasted a lot of money, I dont think he was quite as bad as some made out.
Its also strange how people will believe that Everton passed up on Tor Andre Flo all those years ago, however they quickly dismiss anything Walsh says. (Again, just to make clear, Im not doubting the Tor Andre Flo one, just pointing out the hypocrisy).
There is every chance that Walsh recommended Maguire, however wed bought Keane in the same summer. He might have recommended Robertson, but we still had Baines. He might have recommended Haaland, but would we want to risk £4m on an unproven 17 year old? I doubt well never actually know the truth, but we can all wildly speculate.
5 Posted 19/11/2019 at 11:58:35
Im also sure quite a lot of people on ToffeeWeb could do the job Steve Walsh did, only better!
6 Posted 19/11/2019 at 12:12:39
Drew, was the brief of the DoF to sell off our crap from the bloated squad only after Walsh had been hired? I recall, and correct me if I'm wrong, but he came in with Koeman and they were allowed to bloat the squad from the wafer thin squad we had had under Moyes and then Martinez, who had both operated under the old penny pinching regime.
7 Posted 19/11/2019 at 12:17:06
8 Posted 19/11/2019 at 12:54:22
Koeman and Walsh had 3 transfer windows to work in before being dismissed: the summers of 2016 and 2017, plus January 2017.
Håland was transferred from Danish lower league team Bryne FK to better-known Molde in February 2017 for a mere €200,000, aged just 16 (and a half).
Two years later, in January of this year, he was sold to RB Salzburg for (again) a modest €5 million, aged 18 (and a half).
In which of the three windows he had to operate in is Walsh claiming he could have landed Europe's (current) hot property for £3 million?
The claims and the timing don't add up to me.
9 Posted 19/11/2019 at 13:22:02
The DoF does not present deals for the board to sign off on. He knows the budget inside out and he makes them happen. It would only make sense if he said he was working closely with Koeman and Koeman did not want the player, so he did not want to sign a young player who would not play. But if Haaland was 16 or 17 (as is likely) then he'd have signed him anyway. Why do I think that, well Ademola Lookman is an example of this. He was signed for the u23s. As was DCL (but before Walsh's time I think).
It just reads like Walsh trying to salvage his reputation. The other question is, why isn't he subject to a gagging order? As part of his termination package, and his initial contract, he should have signed a clause to say he would not talk about his time here until a set number of years after his departure.
10 Posted 19/11/2019 at 13:34:49
11 Posted 19/11/2019 at 13:50:59
Che Guevara - Little known but great potential from the South American leagues, my specialty!
David Ginola - slower now but should help the young lads and has Everton in his heart like me.
Erik Lamela - untapped potential at Spurs, we could get him going.
Davy Klaassen - I know it didn't work out before but this time will be better.
Harry Maguire and Andy Robertson - concerned a bit about Maguire heading ability and Robertsons crossing but we can use them in other ways.
Haaland - 14 year old son of Alfe Inge, who I know quite well, as Sam was manager at Bolton when he got injured and we watched it together on the TV with a couple of pints of lovely Rioja. Hell make a great left back if we don't get Robertson.
Mark Noble - good engine, can get around the midfield quickly
Bruno from Brighton - you won't have heard of him but he's a young gun with amazing hair! good for merchandise sales.
12 Posted 19/11/2019 at 15:16:25
Last season, the consensus on ToffeeWeb was that Keane is better then Maguire. Not this season of course, because Keane has been off-form and Maguire has an £80M price tag (but high prices tags often show only that the buyer has little sense of value).
Andy Robertson is having a good season. But he's playing in a defence with the best CH in the world, in a team that's in-form and has been for a couple of seasons. What he'd be like in a dysfunctional side is another matter.
Perspective is needed.
13 Posted 19/11/2019 at 15:54:38
14 Posted 19/11/2019 at 16:05:59
15 Posted 19/11/2019 at 16:45:08
16 Posted 19/11/2019 at 18:48:57
I suppose my point is, the assessment of whether a player like Keane is better or worse than a player like Maguire can fluctuate according to form and season, and as such we need to be careful in making conclusions such as we should have signed Maguire.
17 Posted 19/11/2019 at 20:11:18
I'm unsure just how personally involved Walsh was in identifying Vardy, Kante and Mahrez for Leicester either. Sure he might have authorised their signing, but actually finding them? Hmm.
If Moshiri appointed M&M without first establishing they had mutual faith in each others methods he's an even bigger dope.
18 Posted 19/11/2019 at 21:39:54
19 Posted 20/11/2019 at 00:06:04
20 Posted 20/11/2019 at 00:36:40
21 Posted 20/11/2019 at 00:59:33
Anyway, this is very much worth a watch. They talk about his time at Everton quite a bit. Rom says he immediately told Koeman he wanted to leave and because Koeman "got him" he stayed another year. He rates him as a coach, and that it hurt when he left him and it hurt when we sacked Koeman. He doesn't say anything but nice things about the Blues, to be fair.
22 Posted 20/11/2019 at 01:53:44
It's relatively easy to cherry pick some things 3-4 years after the fact and use them to prop yourself up as some Great Santini.
In the words of Bugs Bunny, whatta maroon.
23 Posted 20/11/2019 at 01:55:12
Oh wait, he says it all in Flemish though, making it apparently wonderful!
24 Posted 20/11/2019 at 22:24:36
25 Posted 21/11/2019 at 03:06:43
I can only conclude that him and Koeman didn't get on, because their transfer dealings were a shambles. No strategy whatsoever. I will name their two successes – Idrissa Gueye and Jordan Pickford. Great buys, hats off. As for the rest of them!
We needed centre halves – they brought in Ashley Williams (the worst centre back we have ever had), and Michael Keane. While Keane on form is a decent defender in my book, he has been up and down at Everton so far.
We needed a back up right back – they brought in Cuco Martina.
We needed a back up left back – they didn't buy one! What's worse than playing Cuco Martina right back? Having to play him left back when Baines got injured!
We needed a winger. They bought Bolasie.
We needed midfielders. They bought Schneiderlin, Klaassen and Sigurdsson for top dollar, all of them.
We needed strikers. They bought Sandro and Rooney and brought in Enner Valencia on loan.
We needed young talent – he bought Vlasic, Lookman and Onyekuru. None of them made it here.
Laurel and Hardy would have done a better job than Koeman and Walsh. It would be funny if it wasn't so sad. Pretty much all of those players I've listed were on mega bucks as well with limited resale value. Another fine mess!
26 Posted 21/11/2019 at 09:53:41
Such a shame that Moshiri's biggest cash injection co-incided with the least sensible recruitment drive we've ever shown. It's had us stalling for 3 years and I think the damage will only be undone next summer or after when finally some of those contracts are coming to an end.
27 Posted 23/11/2019 at 03:06:17
I am always dubious about someone who can't talk to another person especially during an hour long car journey. The kid might have been fiddling with his phone for all we know but Walsh, one would hope, could have shown some self-awareness and empathy to engage with the youngster. Let's face it, Walsh never came across well in interviews.
Danny's point about him being a fraud might be harsh as he was riding on the crest of a wave and perhaps believed his own hype. But the signings of Bolasie and Williams in his first transfer window hardly implied he was a visionary. A 32 year old centre half who we'd have to replace within two seasons and a goal shy show pony from Palace who wasn't going to improve.
It's very easy to spunk lots of cash on bang average players who failed but then point out the ones who might have got for less. If you're a half decent DOF, you should be able to convince any board that spending money on a 24 centre half up and coming makes far more sense than buying one aged 32.
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